#assassination

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bleak sky
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I need that bestie

echo geyser
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i fixed it now @bleak sky

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added an extra point

strange python
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I'm curious how big dragon tempered blade will actually be also, or if there might be prio on only 1 point in dashing and picking up zoldycks

echo geyser
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now the build works

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we need to have equality, 31 points in rogue baseline and 31 in spec tree

balmy condor
marble hemlock
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okay so heres my issue.

people wanna pick cheat. at that point youre 3 points away from dance, which would allow you to get full NS bonus every deathmark on both bleeds. depending on its interactions, youd potentially be able to double that up even more if NS/imp garrote also apply to your duplicated deathmark bleeds. thats pretty damn good, actually. (no, exsang is still trash, but less so with this build)

the problem is that you dont have 3 points, unless you sacrifice sealfate. is that worth it? idk. but i wouldnt just dismiss the idea of dropping it early expac when crit rates are low, and its likely that both haste and mastery will have high value due to vicious venoms and double poisons. and if we can doubledip on the nature conversion with find weakness, that'd make it a tiny bit better still

bleak sky
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Dragon tempered + lethal dose

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So fucking juicy

deft flicker
strange python
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Is it applying a separate iteration of deadly?

echo geyser
strange python
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Err I read wrong. So it's just another 2/4% amp

marble hemlock
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seal fate wont be a high value pick, especially not when it comes at 3point cost, when were running around with 20% basecrit. obviously the existence of deadly precision/lethality fixes some of the early-crit issues, but its a lot of talent points just for extra cp gen, when we dont know yet exactly how much cp gen we actually need

bleak sky
strange python
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Bleh. I want the giga mut build to be good

marble hemlock
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if 70-80% of our damage is just passive damage, which is what we said seems very likely, what do we need extra cp for when we can theoretically maintain high envenom and 100% bleed uptime already?

echo geyser
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also whats up with this? is that some pvp shit?

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balmy condor
marble hemlock
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we also have mfd "baseline" with that tree anyway

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so you're holding dance for deathmark?
it naturally lines up with every second one, so yes

but you're dismissing that straight up gives you 13% crit on mut, that's nothing to sneeze at
im not dismissing it, im just saying it comes at high cost. is that cost justified?

balmy condor
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oh dance is 1 min not 1:30

marble hemlock
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fuck quoting like this

balmy condor
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I mean

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you know what else is 2 min and gives you full NS bonus

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vanish

marble hemlock
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not really, no

balmy condor
marble hemlock
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youd be able to reapply either an imp garrote or NS rupture, not both

balmy condor
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yeah

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but that already cuts half the value

marble hemlock
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and it probably wouldnt work with deathmark duplicates

balmy condor
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then why would dance

marble hemlock
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cause vanish is a one-time thing, dance is 9sec duration?

hollow river
echo geyser
marble hemlock
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NS currently works for the entire duration of dance already in sub, so why wouldnt it work that way with assa in DF

balmy condor
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yeah but you're saying the nightstalker from vanish snapshots onto that instance of the dot, but the dance doesn't

marble hemlock
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no, im saying the vanish one wont cause vanish has been used by the time you deathmark, but dance is still running so dance would get full benefit, just vanish wouldnt

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itll obviously depend a bit on the way deathmark duplicates the dots

balmy condor
strange python
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Why has vanish been used by the time you deathmark?

marble hemlock
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i.e. would a NS rupture retain its NS bonus if you duplicate it after the vanish stealth has been used to cast that first rupture

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cause you would vanish, rupture, then deathmark?

echo geyser
strange python
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Unless I'm reading wrong the logic would be that you deathmark before throwing in amped garrote and rupture, which works with subter

marble hemlock
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by the time deathmark duplicates, vanish is gone?

echo geyser
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does NS garrote also snapshot?

strange python
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Does deathmark not duplicate the dots that go up after deathmark has been applied?

marble hemlock
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youre assuming that deathmark dynamically updates values

balmy condor
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I am yes

marble hemlock
strange python
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Does deathmark duplicate the existing bleeds, or the ones that are used once its up?

marble hemlock
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both

balmy condor
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both from my understanding

marble hemlock
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anyway, vanish would still only provide you with either imp garrote or NS, not both. dance would do both

balmy condor
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so what are you doing with the vanish then

marble hemlock
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idk

balmy condor
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yeah, see the issue

marble hemlock
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not have repair cost

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i mean its not an issue

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you can still vanish

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its still a damage boost to do so 😄

balmy condor
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yes but you're inherently reducing the value of vanish by taking dance

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that's a factor in dance's viability

marble hemlock
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you could (i know, hear me out) pick exsang, exsang the first set of dance bleeds, get another one out at the end of the dance, and have vanish for the next exsang

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and youd get double boosted bleeds into deathmark instead of just 1 set

balmy condor
lucid birch
strange python
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I like it

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Which is a bad sign for your argument

marble hemlock
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i mean, exsang value is based on whether or not we can fit more temporary boosts into a certain window. dance would do that. 20% NS bonus, 10% dance bonus, and youd get a second set of bleeds into deathmark

balmy condor
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I'm getting a headache just thinking about all the shit you're gonna make me shoehorn into the apl

marble hemlock
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become outlaw CF

strange python
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Outlaw button bloat is scary

balmy condor
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nah if I really wanted to get rid of you I would play sub

marble hemlock
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obviously this is some offmeta weirdass shit but does it sound terrible?

balmy condor
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yes

strange python
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Sub is going back to dead spec

marble hemlock
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with an honest face?

echo geyser
marble hemlock
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30% amped bleeds during deathmark sound terrible?

bleak sky
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Hopefully sub cranks

marble hemlock
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and keep in mind

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while dance is active

balmy condor
marble hemlock
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everything is NS boosted

balmy condor
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yeah kinda

marble hemlock
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including your double poisons

echo geyser
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@bleak sky whats up with exsang btw, is it ever possibly just better cause u needed "burst" in some encounter

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does it still snapshot haste etc

balmy condor
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okay I'm gonna leave

marble hemlock
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and its 3 points

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you already pick cheat

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dance is 3points away

bleak sky
balmy condor
echo geyser
marble hemlock
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fuck exsang

balmy condor
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I thought you picked another one

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but yeah, 3 points for a dance buff on deathmark

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sure

marble hemlock
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lets stick with just dance/ns

balmy condor
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whatever

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you have my blessing

marble hemlock
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exsang would fit in but you dont have the points

balmy condor
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seems okay

marble hemlock
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the cost of that 1 point is too high imo

lucid birch
marble hemlock
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only way to make exsang viable is if exsang would snapshot not only the haste on cast but the crit, and you could line it up with coldblood every time

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(please dont do this)

echo geyser
balmy condor
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replace exsang with shrouded suff

echo geyser
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waiting for new trinkets

balmy condor
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so the soyboys don't bitch about their janky ass button

marble hemlock
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but yeah

strange python
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Could bring back 80% haste

lucid birch
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Love stat stacking huge fan

strange python
marble hemlock
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basically, i just dont like the left side, and am actively looking for potential "outlier" builds that would not have the extra cp gen, but might not need it either, while pushing more value into deathmark as a 2min cd class

cursive summit
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Just make Exsang buff dot damage as well or something lul

marble hemlock
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sealfate would probably be better sustained damage, dance would be better 2min burst

balmy condor
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please do not make exsang work

echo geyser
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the only real memory i have of exsang was my 420 ilvl titanforged gale callers boon in uldir

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no cap

balmy condor
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exsang needs to be put in a box and laid to rest finally

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let the man sleep in peace

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I beg

lucid birch
marble hemlock
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does double NS bleeds during deathmark with exsang sound like it would work? kekdog

cursive summit
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No, I like Exsang >:(

strange python
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I liked 8.3 exsang :(

marble hemlock
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cause to me

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sadly

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it kinda does

strange python
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I can't imagine why it wouldn't seli

marble hemlock
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do we assume that deathmark duplicated bleeds disappear when deathmark runs out?

strange python
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But the question is on how much value you give up

balmy condor
marble hemlock
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then i hate to say it but rupture on deathmark cast would run out after ~13-14seconds with exsang, giving you just enough time to overhang snapshot another one with NS bonus from vanish

balmy condor
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I think current assumption is vendetta overhang type thing

marble hemlock
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IM SORRY

echo geyser
marble hemlock
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i hate it but it sounds lowkey decent

strange python
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Does that logic still work with CT? Or is this a "fuck your CT if you can't get it out" scenario, like current 4set

balmy condor
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exsanguinate is the worst thing they ever added to sin

marble hemlock
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yes

echo geyser
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does doomblade also exsang then?

strange python
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Because exsang would juice your CT

balmy condor
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I actually hate even considering it as an option for anything

marble hemlock
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but can you say, with an honest face, that double bleeds with exsang in deathmark sound terrible, when they get a 30% amp on top of all the other amps from NS+dance?

balmy condor
cursive summit
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It might interact in DF, just don't know lul

marble hemlock
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ahhhh

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why did my brain go there

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i hate it

echo geyser
balmy condor
marble hemlock
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but i wanna try it

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can we turn back time

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to simpler times

echo geyser
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i like whispyrs suggestion

balmy condor
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I can do a purge for the last 4 hours

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would that work

marble hemlock
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might actually be worth

cursive summit
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Lul

marble hemlock
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ngl

echo geyser
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trade exsang for shrouded suffocation

strange python
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Trade CT for suff

echo geyser
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no we need ct

balmy condor
strange python
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I hate CT when it's viable on ST

balmy condor
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without thinking

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for 2 seconds

strange python
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Because it's what I do it's part of my charm

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:)

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I just hate CT

marble hemlock
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now to make a tree for this abomination

echo geyser
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is this one very strong btw can u remove 1point

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strange python
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Every single time my tank spins a boss right as I CT and all of my combo points get erased by a parry I want to commit a genocide against myself

balmy condor
echo geyser
cursive summit
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CT?

balmy condor
strange python
echo geyser
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ct doesnt apply on any mob?

strange python
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Ct won't apply if parried but combo points die, unlike other finishers, because it's an aoe

marble hemlock
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just to confirm

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this red line needs to be above

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not below

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right?

echo geyser
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yea

marble hemlock
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fuck me

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why

echo geyser
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u cant go down

marble hemlock
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I KNOW WHY

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but why move it up

echo geyser
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i wish u could go up

marble hemlock
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compared to all the other classes?

bleak sky
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Because rogue stronk

echo geyser
bleak sky
lucid birch
echo geyser
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@marble hemlock i cant wait to see ur build kermit_pepe

marble hemlock
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which of these is least shit

balmy condor
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it's gouge

echo geyser
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shadowrunner

balmy condor
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idk why anyone would take anything other than gouge

echo geyser
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(raid)

strange python
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Cause m+ sucks

balmy condor
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as we all know, raids have no adds

marble hemlock
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its for raid you dumbo

balmy condor
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that never need to be cc'd

marble hemlock
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youd obviously switch to gouge

balmy condor
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this is a fact of life

marble hemlock
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if we get another sinestra

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where you actually need it

bleak sky
marble hemlock
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tricks on assa

strange python
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Nimble fingers>gouge

marble hemlock
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lmao

balmy condor
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I have never needed to kidney shot during a raid fight in my life

marble hemlock
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nimble fingers is the only correct choice

balmy condor
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this I swear to you

strange python
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I mean you need tricks to move down

balmy condor
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CC is unnecessary

marble hemlock
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actually i have to take tricks

balmy condor
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make the other melee do it

marble hemlock
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to get to dance

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NVM

echo geyser
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smort

marble hemlock
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vigor vs sealfate for dance build whispyr?

balmy condor
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this chat will bitch about outlaw having gouge for 4 years and then do everything in their power to avoid it

balmy condor
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vigor probably first patch

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idk

marble hemlock
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im guessing

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mfd will be 1min cd for assa now as well?

balmy condor
marble hemlock
echo geyser
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can u sustain alacrity with 1 point?

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marble hemlock
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sooo

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deeper?

balmy condor
echo geyser
marble hemlock
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assa cant

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sub/outlaw probably can

strange python
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What if you did a echoing reprimand rupture juicer for deathmark overhang

marble hemlock
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no

balmy condor
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okay now I'm actually leaving

marble hemlock
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go away

balmy condor
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holy fuck

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my blood pressure

marble hemlock
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whispyr

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2 more points

marble hemlock
echo geyser
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lethality

marble hemlock
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tight spenders or 2lethal or deeper

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well, thistle tea would be better than tight spenders

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first of all

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does sepsis count as a poison for deathmark?

limber lion
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Probably not.

strange python
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It doesn't for most bleed amps

limber lion
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Lethal Poisons are usually specifically mentioned and named.

balmy condor
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ITS NOT A LETHAL POISON

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PLEASE

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

limber lion
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Instant, Deadly, Amp and Wound. Take your pick

marble hemlock
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oh yeah true

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my bad

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whispyr

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take your medicine

burnt latch
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No

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I think it will count

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I wont explain why but im pretty sure it will

echo geyser
limber lion
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Yes Ram.

echo geyser
marble hemlock
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ill say smth you wont like

strange python
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Echoing?mm

marble hemlock
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but i fully expect lethal dose to be capped at smth like 6 or 8%

echo geyser
marble hemlock
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or less, even

limber lion
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The dev said they'll probs halve it

marble hemlock
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even then its too good of a talent

limber lion
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It's obviously op already.

marble hemlock
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even at .5/1%

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its still too good

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imo

burnt latch
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I think its going to be buffed, it seems really underwhelming and a boring stat buff

echo geyser
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the fact that they confirmed DM duplicates and not 2x duration yes

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makes it very PepeFull

burnt latch
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Nah i did some early sims and it seems bad

marble hemlock
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is it just me or is vicious venoms kinda garbage unless its whitelisted for mastery?

echo geyser
strange python
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Tbh I'd rather have lethal dose be where ttb is and make it more core to the build

echo geyser
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venoms

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wrong one

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all so similar names

marble hemlock
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like

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the only permanent nature damage amp we have

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is our mastery

strange python
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It gives it a small boost during shiv

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But tiny

marble hemlock
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ye

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but it seems shit

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for 2points

echo geyser
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its also just raidbosses have armor and shit right

strange python
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It's mostly needed to move down

echo geyser
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so nature dmg does more?

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etc

balmy condor
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no, you know what

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you guys are doing great

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I love you

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have a great evening

burnt latch
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Its gonna be busted for fights with high armor like jailer and halondrus

strange python
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Even my echoing reprimand build?

echo geyser
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happy_holiday_pepe Bedge @balmy condor

marble hemlock
bleak sky
# echo geyser this

@balmy condor convince dev to make it "phys as extra nature damage" and we do full conversion double dipping

balmy condor
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your echoing reprimand build is fantastic

echo geyser
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PoE?

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sheesh

marble hemlock
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cause like

balmy condor
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we are wholesome

echo geyser
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as extra nature

balmy condor
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we are calm

timid cloud
strange python
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Whispyr did you get into my stash of benzos

marble hemlock
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say you do 1k damage, 25% mitigated from armor, so 750damage, and then the 50% conversion happens after

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then its shit

balmy condor
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there is only correct things in this chat

marble hemlock
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but if it happens before armor applies, its really good

timid cloud
echo geyser
burnt latch
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Yes but youre not thinking about jailer and halondrus who have more armor than normal

echo geyser
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i could see it

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PoE x WoW

marble hemlock
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sicne its the difference between doing 750damage or 875dmg

burnt latch
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Assa does no damage to jailer atm cuz of armor

bleak sky
balmy condor
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warcieft you're right!

marble hemlock
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can you stop trolling warcieft?

burnt latch
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Im sorry

timid cloud
burnt latch
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Also thank you for the support whispyr

strange python
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I really don't want to add cold blood to my bars

echo geyser
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also no clue how strong this one is

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strange python
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One crit every 45 seconds for a whole ass button

timid cloud
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There is no war in Assassination Chat.

bleak sky
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Doesn't look that strong to me ram

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Looks like travel nodes to the good stuff

marble hemlock
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i wonder how high the scent agi is gonna be

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and if it miht be worth picking for st

strange python
balmy condor
bleak sky
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I am beautiful indeed

marble hemlock
balmy condor
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yes you are minalba

echo geyser
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im between these 2 right now

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bleak sky
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Like a solid 8/10

strange python
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Getting CT, doomblade, maim, etc, you'd not take poison application if not for atroph

echo geyser
balmy condor
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you know, if I agree with 70% of the tree, that's a C in my book, that's passing

marble hemlock
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for singletarget? i doubt

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can drop stepsis

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for ct

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ig

balmy condor
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I don't need to argue for that 30% I don't agree with

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because it's fine

marble hemlock
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but im not sure you have the cp for ct

strange python
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What's the talent under imp shiv??

marble hemlock
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vicious venoms

timid cloud
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I’m lowkey just sad with this tree, there’s none of the choice nodes. I feel like it’s a bit light & uninspired. No joke.

echo geyser
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we will see about the finalization on this i guess,

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marble hemlock
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which will either be really good, or really terrible

echo geyser
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it kinda depends on this right

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ct on st or not

timid cloud
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There’s gonna be changes, right?

balmy condor
marble hemlock
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whispyr

timid cloud
marble hemlock
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wanna hear smth thatll make you happy?

balmy condor
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I am elated seli

timid cloud
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I must clear my mind & erase my doubts.

echo geyser
balmy condor
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you speaking directly to me makes my day

strange python
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Wait seli wasn't the whole point of dance to exsang the first dots?

marble hemlock
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my dance/ns build would be really really good if we get a choice node between exsang/kingsbane

balmy condor
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I'm already blessed

echo geyser
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beare (cluless) what is kingsbane

balmy condor
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I'm sure it would be seli

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that sounds great

marble hemlock
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see

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im not sure

timid cloud
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Someone said they wanted the dance modification with subterfuge, thoughts?

marble hemlock
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if youre just in valium mode rn

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or genuinely happy

strange python
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Unironically think you'd want exsang over sepsis for that build

marble hemlock
strange python
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Sepsis loses value with dance, no?

balmy condor
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I will take whatever victory I can over the great exsang talent

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kingsbane is a good button

marble hemlock
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double kingsbane

timid cloud
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It’s like having empowered Garrotes, like a discounted Shrouded!

marble hemlock
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with double lethal poison procs

echo geyser
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disapawnted i gotta google kingsbane

timid cloud
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I miss Kingsbane….

marble hemlock
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and you could vanish kingsbane for NS kingsbane

echo geyser
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never heard

marble hemlock
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double NS kingsbane, even

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but yeah

timid cloud
marble hemlock
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all jokes aside

echo geyser
balmy condor
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I would like to remind the audience that KINGSBANE IS NOT A FUCKING LETHAL POISON SELI I AM GOING TO CHOKE YOU OUT IN TWO WEEKS

strange python
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I apologize for the delirium. I did ayce kbbq and I have the meat sweats

echo geyser
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no cap this is first result when i google

timid cloud
echo geyser
timid cloud
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LMAO

marble hemlock
echo geyser
marble hemlock
balmy condor
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seli it has never counted as a lethal poison and you know that

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please

echo geyser
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wtf kingsbane sounds crazy

marble hemlock
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actually i think youre wrong, it was affected by MP

echo geyser
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its an artifact skill

bleak sky
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Yessir ram

echo geyser
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so since we have the dragon poison

strange python
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I like ramb

echo geyser
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we can apply more lethals

timid cloud
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Wasn’t that basically like a trinket.

marble hemlock
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then again, legion MP was all nature damage, not just weapon poison damage

strange python
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Rambfamb

balmy condor
marble hemlock
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so it was probably whitelisted for that purpose

balmy condor
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we will discuss if we get kingsbane

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we have no kingsbane

marble hemlock
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i got quoted by the dev and he said "interesting"

balmy condor
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I am the buddha

marble hemlock
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ill take that as confirmation

timid cloud
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Does anyone know if they’re moving things?

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Up or down?

echo geyser
spice spire
lilac haven
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Only one he said for sure was vw getting moved up

balmy condor
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the only thing moving here is our collective negativity into the void of empty space

bleak sky
cursive summit
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Feel like pure shite just want kingsbane back

marble hemlock
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btw with all this fiesta in the spec channels rn, i think we should introduce new roles that we can give to people that bans them from a specific spec channel if they keep making dumb suggestions. what do you think?

strange python
marble hemlock
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oh, that was supposed to be in staff channel

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my bad

echo geyser
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@marble hemlock have any trinkets interacted with this spec in terms of dot/bleed/poison ever?

marble hemlock
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no

echo geyser
marble hemlock
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kingsbane was also boring

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and RNG

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but it taught people that envenom uptime is important

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so thats neat

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but its still a boring button

timid cloud
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I thought it was just poison damage taken increases the poison damage it did ramping?

bleak sky
echo geyser
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u mean extending envenom last seconds?

marble hemlock
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yeah

timid cloud
#

It’s been awhile since I read it.

marble hemlock
#

proper envenom clipping

#

but you didnt really do that

#

since envenom itself also applies poisons once on cast

#

you just kinda spammed it

#

for more stacks early

#

still 4+ ofc but like

#

you didnt sit on stuff to clip

timid cloud
#

Not everything needs to be insane though.

marble hemlock
#

i even had a kingsbane stack tracker

#

that was entirely pointless

timid cloud
#

Boring buttons are fine too. Hot take.

marble hemlock
#

but it was nice seeing 25+ stacks

timid cloud
balmy condor
#

is that like a flag stack tracker

marble hemlock
#

still pointless ofc

#

flag stacks actually matter tho

#

sorta

#

not really

echo geyser
#

yeah some WA's are more "fun to see" than actual usability

marble hemlock
#

but yeah, it was an entirely pointless tracker that told me how many times KB damage got boosted

echo geyser
marble hemlock
#

when all you really did for kingsbane was just... do your regular rotation

timid cloud
#

You mean like a certain wa for outlaw?

marble hemlock
#

anything regarding outlaw is pointless, including the spec itself

echo geyser
marble hemlock
#

only thing about outlaw that isnt pointless, is its CFs

#

cause i like solo and guy

limber lion
echo geyser
timid cloud
#

It’s my favorite WA. Ram…

hollow river
bleak sky
hollow river
marble hemlock
#

ofc it doesnt cev

timid cloud
strange python
#

He wants to ban me for suggesting echoing reprimand :(

marble hemlock
#

we gotta do something to make you regret leaving

balmy condor
#

I think roll the bones trackers are worthless because from what I understand about rtb in the last 2 weeks of #tc-research, nothing fucking matters and you reroll for like 20dps

#

thoughts?

marble hemlock
#

my team sucked at stopping things

#

so i had to

hollow river
limber lion
#

:')

balmy condor
#

if I posted an outlaw log where I just hit rtb on cooldown

marble hemlock
#

but yeah idk

#

i like the trees

balmy condor
#

do you think they would tell me I'm using rtb wrong in a log review

marble hemlock
#

theres some interesting build shit

balmy condor
#

or do you think they wouldn't notice

marble hemlock
#

i still dont agree with putting assa left, outlaw middle, sub right. i think sub is more in the middle of assa/outlaw than outlaw is in the middle of sub/assa

bleak sky
#

Reading outlaw logs is pain

#

Dreadful work

marble hemlock
#

outlaw is pain

#

its fun for like

#

2week

#

cuz novelty

#

and then you realize ss procs are garbage and the spec sucks

bleak sky
#

It's been fun for more than 2 weeks tbh

marble hemlock
#

and the only reason its "fun" is cause high apm

bleak sky
#

No, bb makes the spec

marble hemlock
balmy condor
strange python
#

Outlaw is just exhausting. Too much to track and too many buttons

#

And ultimately you just spam

echo geyser
#

feelscryman seli i like outlaw

bleak sky
marble hemlock
#

enjoying outlaw for more than the novelty/2weeks is like having an erection for longer than 4hours

bleak sky
#

The bb procs seli

#

You don't get it

marble hemlock
#

its unhealthy

bleak sky
#

They're little crack procs

marble hemlock
#

and something is wrong with you

spice spire
#

It’s okay

bleak sky
#

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND OLD MAN

hollow river
#

???

marble hemlock
bleak sky
#

I can quit outlaw whenever I want

hollow river
marble hemlock
#

minalba rn

marble hemlock
steel ridge
#

What is happening

marble hemlock
#

youre the brother i wish i had but never did ramfam

spice spire
#

Seli is on one rn

bleak sky
#

Begone yellow name

balmy condor
#

the only time I have an erection lasting 4 hours is when I stare at that one OT picture of seli from 10 years ago in a racer suit with his hair down

spice spire
marble hemlock
#

racer suit? bro, its my progaming apparel

balmy condor
#

you all know the one

strange python
#

I don't

balmy condor
#

don't pretend like it doesn't live in your head rent free

hollow river
spice spire
#

No I don’t stare

bleak sky
#

Programmer socks and a skirt? That's my programming apparel as well

balmy condor
#

red

strange python
#

Enlighten us

steel ridge
#

I am multispec, i am allowed everywhere

balmy condor
#

it's a grey background

marble hemlock
#

ill do your work for me

unknown.png
#

there ya go

balmy condor
#

see

marble hemlock
#

me 14y ago

#

enjoy

echo geyser
strange python
#

Montecristo?

balmy condor
#

burned into my head

spice spire
#

Wtf

balmy condor
#

will not let me live

spice spire
#

Ur old as fuck seli

marble hemlock
#

thankfully

echo geyser
#

F1 Driver it looks like

marble hemlock
#

my hair isnt curly like that anymore

echo geyser
#

good times

marble hemlock
#

fuck those curls. all the women envied me for them but i hated them

balmy condor
marble hemlock
#

arent you inviting me

#

into your house

#

in like

#

2weeks?

strange python
balmy condor
#

I mean yes

marble hemlock
strange python
#

Seli

balmy condor
#

you coming for my birthday?

marble hemlock
#

im coming alright

hollow river
spice spire
#

Whíspyr you’re like 48 at heart

marble hemlock
#

i forgot when it is again already

balmy condor
#

that's cap as fuck

#

21st

marble hemlock
#

but theres no way

#

you come to germany

balmy condor
#

I'm a week before quake

#

or after

#

or a day

#

or something

spice spire
#

Before

marble hemlock
#

and we dont meet and have a RADLER CAUSE YOU DONT DRINK BEER YOU WHINY BITCH

spice spire
#

Yours is the 21st

strange python
#

What's a radlier

balmy condor
#

it's pussy beer

#

and it's great

rotund oak
strange python
#

Better not be an ipa

steel ridge
#

Oof

marble hemlock
#

yeah its basically just

#

soda and beer

strange python
#

Wait why

balmy condor
#

it's half beer and then like fruit soda

strange python
#

That's gross

marble hemlock
#

cause

#

its really good

#

and like

strange python
#

I'm scared

marble hemlock
#

its literally called "cyclist"

strange python
#

I'll stick to my gin

marble hemlock
#

cause people tend to drink it when theyre on tour

#

on their bicycle

bleak sky
#

Just get a hard cider at this point whispyr

balmy condor
#

cider is ass

marble hemlock
#

and it wont make you drunk

balmy condor
#

don't @ me

strange python
#

White claw gamers

marble hemlock
#

so you can enjoy it while out on tour with your gang

spice spire
#

@balmy condor

marble hemlock
#

and its refreshing

bleak sky
#

Shut your whore mouth orange name man

hollow river
#

on tour?

balmy condor
strange python
#

So it's a hard seltzer before people drank seltzers

spice spire
balmy condor
marble hemlock
#

but ye

marble hemlock
bleak sky
spice spire
#

1:30 walks

balmy condor
strange python
#

Cocoa boy sounds vaguely offensive

bleak sky
#

HOLY LIES

marble hemlock
#

flower was in kindergarden when that photo was shot

rotund oak
strange python
#

Minalba is Brasil???

bleak sky
#

Unfortunately yes

hollow river
#

ya

bleak sky
#

Bad spawn

strange python
#

Explains lot

balmy condor
strange python
#

Because it's minalba or because cocoa boy? Makes a difference

lucid birch
balmy condor
#

because minalba

strange python
#

That's better then

bleak sky
spice spire
#

Damn why we blasting minalba

strange python
#

I only hate the entire nation of Brasil when I play league.

balmy condor
#

big fucking whoop

#

same shit

lucid birch
#

Viva Brazil

balmy condor
#

democratic republic my ass

bleak sky
#

How are you even getting BRs in your league games

balmy condor
#

who cares

steel ridge
#

Didnt Oxi pin some anti shitposting in here? kekw

spice spire
#

Bro

marble hemlock
#

who?

strange python
spice spire
#

@lucid birch ain’t no way

bleak sky
spice spire
lucid birch
strange python
#

Like half our recent presidents lost the popular vote we can't talk

balmy condor
spice spire
#

The fucking name

lucid birch
#

Oh yeah

spice spire
#

Deceased dead

steel ridge
#

Haha you guys are insane

lucid birch
#

Huge fan

balmy condor
#

thank god we got sidetracked shitposting

marble hemlock
#

i mean

#

we could go to OT but

balmy condor
#

no one remembers exsanguinate exists

marble hemlock
#

theres hataro and deeny and skip

bleak sky
#

DSnow has offered me a large sum of cock to move back into his guild

strange python
#

Wait what happened to oxi

#

He supported my worst takes

balmy condor
#

oxi is in the woods

strange python
#

Fuck

marble hemlock
#

oxi is on a farm up north

lucid birch
#

All of my stock in fact

balmy condor
#

looking for his golfball

marble hemlock
#

running with the other oxis

strange python
#

He enabled my lunacy

rotund oak
#

Oxi doing the bear?!What a beast

strange python
#

Wait okay. I'm very stoned. Did oxi actually die

rotund oak
marble hemlock
#

aka hes asleep

#

like a good citizen

#

unlike whispyr

bleak sky
#

No oxi is fine

spice spire
marble hemlock
#

whos awake at fucking 2am

bleak sky
#

He's just away for a few days

balmy condor
marble hemlock
#

like a degen

strange python
#

U scared me

spice spire
balmy condor
marble hemlock
#

hey i slept from like

#

2am to 5am

balmy condor
#

I'm so proud of you

lucid birch
#

That’s fucked

strange python
#

Germans don't sleep when there's work to be done

spice spire
#

That sounds like a normal night

steel ridge
#

Wrong

lucid birch
spice spire
#

(I’m omega cursed)

marble hemlock
#

ill sleep some more later

balmy condor
strange python
#

You're German?

steel ridge
#

I sleep more than i work

balmy condor
#

yes

strange python
#

Pft

spice spire
#

I work far more than I sleep

strange python
#

You're a NorCal German

marble hemlock
#

he has the most german name imaginable

balmy condor
#

we just had an entire conversation about me going to germany to visit family

spice spire
#

I get a solid 4-5 hours a night

strange python
#

But you're a NorCal German it's different

lucid birch
#

I love whispyrs name

strange python
#

Just like I'm an LA jew.

lucid birch
#

Actually bricks me up

marble hemlock
#

Klaus is a good name

balmy condor
spice spire
marble hemlock
#

OT seeping in

lucid birch
marble hemlock
#

people talking like skip

#

abandon ship

balmy condor
#

abandon skip?

marble hemlock
#

i wish

bleak sky
#

This is how the under 50 speak seli

echo patrol
bleak sky
#

Smh my head

steel ridge
#

Skip ravenholdt

balmy condor
marble hemlock
#

anyway

#

enough shitposting

#

get back to work everybody

lucid birch
#

SMH MY HEAD

rotund oak
#

8 hours work 8 hours gaming 8 hours(pretty much everyhting else) thats the way

balmy condor
#

these exsangs won't exsang themselves

steel ridge
#

Btt hows exsanguinate?

echo geyser
#

whats up

strange python
spice spire
#

My brother In Christ it’s 2 am on a Sunday

bleak sky
#

Exsang is fantastic nerazar

#

Take it whenever possible

balmy condor
#

brb throwing up

rotund oak
#

lmao

strange python
#

Imagine sludgefist

#

Exsang deathmark

#

On pillar

#

Also maybe makes us giga PI targets 👀

marble hemlock
#

😦

lucid birch
#

Whispyr has fallen violently ill

strange python
#

He ODed on Xanax from his earlier speech

rotund oak
#

assa gonna dominate raiding and pvp,called it 10/7/2022 10:00

lucid birch
#

Rip in peace

hollow river
#

outlaw pvp meta again

rotund oak
#

outlaw not a pvp specc

strange python
#

Omg I still have notrickz blocked

balmy condor
drifting imp
#

Oh no not müller

balmy condor
#

yes sir

#

brot baeker von beruf (help I don't have umlauts on this keyboard)

bleak sky
#

Shift "

#

Use us international layout

drifting imp
#

The most German name of German names

hollow river
cursive summit
#

Put Exsang back to legion Pre-patch of 400% tick rate

#

And boosts damage by 25% lul

rotund oak
balmy condor
#

400% tick rate actually would not impact it's value hardly at all

#

funnily enough

strange python
#

Delete outlaw

rotund oak
#

can u log

#

ur main

#

tell me name and faction

#

and we will se ewho deletes whom

empty hinge
#

Yea please delete outlaw

strange python
#

Yellow names feeling fighty again.

cursive summit
balmy condor
#

Oh yeah I turned off on screen numbers years ago

cursive summit
#

I used classic numbers until recently, now prefer base ui numbers

steel ridge
#

Are numbers performance related?

#

Like actual fps

balmy condor
#

No they’re just a mess of useless info on your screen that you don’t need to see

#

I’m sure it might give you a third of an fps tho

steel ridge
#

Cause what really bothers me are my fps in intermissions like anduin or lords

cursive summit
#

Max had this discussion on his stream yesterday or the night before. Numbers are useful in certain situations. I.e. Mob takes massively reduced damage and you don't know haha

balmy condor
#

Yeah that won’t fix it

balmy condor
limber lion
cursive summit
#

Not really

#

Method did it during their mekkatorque kills I think was his example in bod?

#

Thinking they could burn the boss instead of do the robots

balmy condor
#

Aight you lost me now

#

What does that have to do with numbers on your screen

cursive summit
#

Because they would have seen damage numbers in the 100s instead of what they should have been!

#

? *

hollow river
#

its just an easier tell that something is immune

#

rather than watching something else for it

burnt latch
#

I personally have made it so that a MLG horn plays every time one of my abilities hits for +20k and a boo if they hit for 500 or less

#

Makes it easy and non disturbing to keep on track

misty holly
#

I would be so happy.

balmy condor
#

Anything better than exsang

cursive summit
#

Then you could pick sbs and sepsis

bleak sun
#

Flag is gone pepehands

storm onyx
#

Shrouded Suffocation pls pls

misty holly
#

In their tree

#

It is kinda weird that outlaw and sub both have Sepsis, though.

#

That feels more like an assassination ability

#

On top of that, Sepsis placement in the Outlaw tree is just weird

#

It's a prereq for 2 other talents that seem completely unrelated

steel ridge
#

sepsis gives you a free ambush

#

thats totally related to the talents in that path

balmy condor
#

Three of the infinity stones

steel ridge
#

all the buttons

balmy condor
#

ER sepsis and flag all line up every minute and a half which lines up with blades every 3 minutes surely that’s good right

obtuse robin
#

@balmy condor is lethal dose also stacking with non lethal stuff? sorry if asked a bunch already

balmy condor
broken basalt
#

i think with 2 lethal weapon poison 99% envenom uptime is required so in my opinion picking doomblade instead of picking crimson tempest in single is more sufficient

balmy condor
cursive summit
#

Doesn't sound fun though

balmy condor
#

Oh don’t worry it won’t be

misty holly
#

Probably will be nerfed 😦

obtuse robin
#

26 % also including the deathmark bleed

misty holly
#

I think it's a steady 14% even without Deathmark.

#

4 poisons, rupture, garrote, doomblade

balmy condor
#

Yep

#

Welcome to the most busted talent on our tree atm

obtuse robin
#

16 with crimson

balmy condor
#

There’s a reason the dev said that it’s not staying like that less than 3 hours after the reveal

obtuse robin
#

ayo letal dose is cranked

balmy condor
misty holly
#

Lame 😦

obtuse robin
misty holly
#

Just replace with with 2 ranks of SBS

#

1 spike per rank

obtuse robin
#

keep it the same at make it cost 3 tp

#

or 4 fuck it

#

i wanna jiuce envenoms

cursive summit
#

Lethal dose down to 0.5% could be fine

balmy condor
royal lantern
#

other classes do shit like "oh no, its not good look at the sims!(sim never got it updated in any shape or form)" or straight up lie about stuff beeing strong

balmy condor
#

Receiving targeted balancing to allow for choice in a system based in choice and decision making?

royal lantern
#

rogue is like"uhm, dear dev, this thing is to strong"

balmy condor
#

I mean we don’t ask for nerfs

#

We just point out that things are limiting choice

#

Rogue is still strong

royal lantern
#

i hope leatheal dose doesnt stay like that simply because of 1 thing:

#

i dont wanna use CT on ST again lol

balmy condor
#

Also there’s just literally no point in gaslighting devs like they’re idiots

#

What do we get out of that?

royal lantern
#

nah, but seriously now, what do you think right now has the highest chance of changing except lethal dose?

marble hemlock
balmy condor
royal lantern
#

allright, that was to obvious lol

balmy condor
#

Adding shrouded and kingsbane

royal lantern
#

yeha, shrouded could be placed in exsangs spot perfectly lol

#

kingsbane instead of TTB

soft shale
#

if anyone was in sub he did say lethal dose was getting sniped and VW moved way earlier

royal lantern
#

VW imo should be in the place Vicious Venoms is right now

#

or where stealth poisons is located

balmy condor
#

Definitely stealth poison

royal lantern
#

stealth poisons would be the best thing gameplaywise cus VW is so mandatory

#

like, i dont wanna know how assa plays without it, it just forces you into deep right path

#

im personally just no fan of vicious venoms, yes i know why its not a bad talent, but shit is it boring af and could be removed without any change at all

cursive summit
#

Kingsbane + stealth poisons + shadow dance + dragon tempered blades sounds actually so damn good

#

Kingsbane would get massive damage stacking

#

Because you're applying 2x lethal poison every single hit for 9 seconds

royal lantern
#

why shadow dance?

#

do we even know if shadow dance would work with stealth poisons....?

#

+would it be worth it over just doing normal envenom buffed muts

cursive summit
#

It counts as stealth so I would assume so, everything right now is assumptions pretty much with regards to DF talents

marble hemlock
#

i do like having to talent a talent that has never worked correctly

cursive summit
#

It might not but until alpha goes up we won't know, Sin doesn't get SD currently haha

marble hemlock
#

@balmy condor can we have garrote deal 1 dmg on cast?

#

so it can proc stealth poisons

balmy condor
#

Why you asking me like my opinion holds any weight

royal lantern
#

orange name

marble hemlock
#

cause everyone else does

royal lantern
marble hemlock
#

im just falling in line

cursive summit
#

What do poisons proc on again? Is it every single attack? Autos, muts etc?

balmy condor
#

Every instant damage proc that is a rogue ability

#

And autos

cursive summit
#

Except bleeds?

balmy condor
#

CT can, rupture and garrote currently do not

cursive summit
#

Tyty

balmy condor
#

CT has instant damage

#

So that counts

#

Garrote and ruptures “instant damage” is actually just the first tick of the bleed

#

Which doesn’t count

cursive summit
#

Good to know

scarlet sequoia
#

np

subtle kiln
#

@balmy condor can we get shrouded suffocation back?

vestal wren
#

yes

#

the dev did say that the additional cp gain on garrote could come back

royal lantern
#

@balmy condor can we get echoing blades back?

vestal wren
#

EB at home:

unknown.png
drifting imp
viscid spear
grizzled jay
#

alright what did i miss

#

over the last 24hrs or so

fleet whale
#

Realz came back on the sub channel and there was a big discussion revolving around the dr poison and restless crew

grizzled jay
#

don't care about Outlul but what did he say about Atrophic?

#

i am assuming he confirmed MP and Shiv working on it

fleet whale
#

He didn’t give any concrete answer but there are talks about making it class wide

#

A lot of rogues… well sub rogues think the poison will be mandatory

grizzled jay
#

making Atrophic class-wide while also giving Outlaw Restless Crew? that'd be like the biggest meme they've ever done since giving DH their own debuff

fleet whale
#

Basically, sub’s utility talent pales compared to outlaw and sin

#

And they are nervous that they will be forced to raid as sin cause of atrophic

grizzled jay
#

lol

#

until there's funnel fight(s) where Sub does +25% damage over Sin/Outlaw and everyone plays it again

fleet whale
#

Idk, you discuss it with them down there

#

But a lot of people seemed concerned about it

grizzled jay
#

nah that channel is cursed

ebon notch
#

@burnt latch

unknown.png
#

help

spice spire
cursive summit
#

Maybe if they made Atrophy poison exempt from boosts and it stayed 3%, might not be so mandatory

bleak sky
#

3% dr is absolutely mandatory for prog

ebon notch
bleak sky
ebon notch
bleak sky
#

You nerd

cursive summit
#

Who said it wasn't good enough?

bleak sky
#

Not mandatory = not good enough

cursive summit
#

????

#

No?

bleak sky
#

What would be the point of not bringing the raid utility then

cursive summit
#

You can bring it, but you can always replace it with Devo

#

if it sticks at 3%

bleak sky
#

Wdym replace

#

They do different things

#

One is damage taken and the other is damage dealt by target

#

They should work together

cursive summit
#

the only thing different about them is wording

subtle tundra
#

nah

#

they do different things

#

there's a lot of things that are enviormental dmg in raids

#

that wont get affected by the poison