assassination

[burnt latch]

[limber lion]

[burnt latch]

Oh

I reacted to your message

[ebon notch]

thank u

[burnt latch]

Youre welcome

Good joberino

[bleak sky]

agreon gapping his raid mates so hard

[burnt latch]

Mans just a different beast and the same animal

[novel pine]

with ct venth build do i want to have 100% uptime on ct?

[limber lion]

No

[bleak sky]

new pfp

[burnt latch]

Vacay mode

Had to upgrade to a golf pic

[novel pine]

when do i want to apply it?

tryin to find basic rotation guide but cant

[balmy condor]

whenever it's in pandemic and you don't need to rupture

[velvet ridge]

yo whyspyr, great article mate

[balmy condor]

ty

[velvet ridge]

loved the ideas, got me super excited

[novel pine]

so you do want to have it up all the time

[burnt latch]

Well ideally yes

[bleak sky]

@oak sky LETSGOOOOOOOOOO

[burnt latch]

But its not doable

[bleak sky]

[oak sky]

@limber lion BRO I CLOAKEDD

FUCKING

3 STACK IN P3

[burnt latch]

Did u kill

[oak sky]

yeah

[viscid spear]

You can certainly try but prioritize Rupture & Garrote while also maintaining SnD. Only after that do you worry about CT uptime.

[oak sky]

i couldve done so much more

lol

[burnt latch]

Huuuuuge grats!

[oak sky]

i only had 3 stack

instead of 6 stack

[limber lion]

Same.

We didn't do 6 stack either

:----------)

[oak sky]

well no

we did

6 stack

[limber lion]

Yeah

We didn't

[oak sky]

but i cloaked it

[limber lion]

Yeah that's pretty bad

but at least that's on you

[oak sky]

yep

[limber lion]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/839916861198172220/994431822861717535/unknown.png

What a sad, sad sight.

[oak sky]

ikr

only like

top 20

[limber lion]

We talked a lot about how much we're gonna pump during bloodlust + 6 stack

but we didn't get a 6 stack

and we lusted so early, that even if we did, we wouldn't have had it for the entire duration

[oak sky]

yeah its funny how things go wrong

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

think i cloaked because i was in a bad spot tho

[limber lion]

but hey boss is dead

let's gooo

[oak sky]

i dont want to do the math

lol

how much more damage i wouldve done

[echo geyser]

bout two fiddy or three fiddy

[burnt latch]

The raid was a good watch tho

[ebon notch]

We got into p3 and there's just no blood there

Lmao

[novel pine]

@viscid spear ty! So if Snd and ct are falling off i should envenom ya? And also was curious if the shiv debuff timer has a diff pandemic?

[oak sky]

[ebon notch]

@oak sky gz bro

Was dekai in?

[oak sky]

at least my damage was good

not great

but good

[limber lion]

Yes, but you would Envenom to maintain SnD, not because you'd want to Envenom for the damage. So if SND wasn't about to drop, you'd press CT there.

[balmy condor]

don't get too hyped, the talent rework will be very boring and probably have nothing of major interest

[burnt latch]

My favorite moment of the Nocco fiesta was the 4 people 1 hole incident

[balmy condor]

set your standards low

[burnt latch]

Straight out of the orange hub

[ebon notch]

My favourite part was trying to stop the blood vessel in my vein swelling

[oak sky]

if we get our nice traits back and maybe kingsbane or something comes back thats about the best we can hope for ye?

[ebon notch]

And then being told that I died too much on jailer

My two deaths were to multiple bomb hits

I got assassinated

[limber lion]

I feel like everyone has their opinion on what they want to see and what they don't want to see on Assassination.

[oak sky]

thats very true

[limber lion]

Someone's gonna get their jimmies rustled regardless

[ebon notch]

Oh I also pressed nf blink while coming out of a hole

[limber lion]

Everyone pogging out of their mind when we get a new ability

[ebon notch]

And it teleported me to the bottom and insta killed me

[limber lion]

and there's one dude calling it shit and terrible because it's "not how assa typically plays"

But yeh, the raid was interesting for sure

[oak sky]

im so ready to reclear

catch me back on the leaderboards boys

[limber lion]

Reclears can be fun

[burnt latch]

What I dont understand is how u guys didnt just give up and find another bomb weak aura after 4 people jumped into the same hole lmao

[limber lion]

go get those r1's

[oak sky]

i finally get to kill andy and halondrus

as sin

[limber lion]

destroy the snakeboy or whatever his name is

[oak sky]

bro

[burnt latch]

Suffered for 2 hours after that

[oak sky]

im so hyped to get the skolex belt

i need it

intensely

[limber lion]

Shadowdager oops

[oak sky]

(for transmog)

[limber lion]

nothing snake-related

[ebon notch]

It was cause people were on diff servers

Like we killed the boss 5+ times or smth

And not had problems

[burnt latch]

Yes exactly, so u just get another weak aura after u figured out its bricked

[ebon notch]

But apparently having people be on different servers broke it

[limber lion]

@ebon notch apparently people are using Jailer weak auras that work perfectly fine regardless of faction/realm/political beliefs

[novel pine]

what about the priority between vendetta and flag

[ebon notch]

Cycling through diff weakauras and notes on the fly would be atrocious

[novel pine]

hold one for the other or no

[ebon notch]

Doesn't sound like a me problem tbh

[limber lion]

like there's been no issues with similar weak auras for other guilds

but seems to be a massive problem for us

[ebon notch]

I have literally 0 to do with it

[limber lion]

which we won't fix during the raid

[burnt latch]

Worse than wiping for 2 hours because you refuse to do it

[limber lion]

and instead pull the boss for 2+ hours

[ebon notch]

Bruh

Who tf is you and we

I'm so far removed

From this flaming shitshow

[limber lion]

We

as in

the guild

[ebon notch]

I don't want to hear "you" or "we"

Ye none of my business

[limber lion]

I mean I'd rather pull the boss once and kill it

[burnt latch]

Cant complain if u dont contribute

[limber lion]

instead of sit there for 2.5 hours because of a bunch of shitty alts and a broken weak aura

[ebon notch]

Oh I have contributed

Why you think im where I am now

I'm basically doing an officer's job

[limber lion]

it's true

[burnt latch]

The fix was so simple aswell, just get ANY other bomb weak aura from wago.io, set up the note 5 mins

[ebon notch]

But I have 0 influence over what goes on

[limber lion]

yup

[burnt latch]

Where are you what

U officer now?

[ebon notch]

No

[limber lion]

funny thing is that we had issues with the weak aura last time as well, but it wasn't fixed.

[ebon notch]

I just do officer shit

Because it's better to try and contribute than just let shit burn

[limber lion]

just a lot of assumptions thrown around

[burnt latch]

Disagree

[ebon notch]

??

[balmy condor]

I think the best we can hope for is like Shrouded Suff, 1 cov ability between bone spike/flag, and that's it

[limber lion]

"the weak aura was probably not working because some trials had leftover weakauras that mess up our weak auras"

[burnt latch]

That causes stress and effort, not worth

[limber lion]

wasn't the case

[balmy condor]

if they give anything more than that, it's bonus

[ebon notch]

If someone asks you to walk them through jailer

Cause they are unsure

You just tell them no?

[burnt latch]

Yup

[oak sky]

idk what the old artifact traits were but shrouded suff doesnt seem unlikely and i bet we get at least 1 leggo

[ebon notch]

What

[burnt latch]

Why is it my job to tell them how the fight works lmao

[ebon notch]

So you'd rather get to the boss and wipe even more?

[burnt latch]

No, id say ”hello mr officer, person Y doesnt know how the fight works, mind giving him a run down?”

Off my desk not my problem

[ebon notch]

Ye and if that doesn't happen?

[burnt latch]

Then u consider if the quality of your officers is good enough

[ebon notch]

That's why I'm complaining lmao

[limber lion]

Twist the Knife, not super interesting, was mainly used for the crit build towards the very end and in PvP.
Double Dose, probably the most boring Azerite trait which buffed our mutilate. Super cringe and boring.
Scent of Blood, has some niche uses, but doesn't really change the playstyle at all. just an extra bonus on top. still bad.

[ebon notch]

Because I actually have a right to

[burnt latch]

And if the answer is no, then mby do something about it

[ebon notch]

Wow dude that's great feedback cheers

I'll get right on that

[limber lion]

Shrouded, either super good or not great. The CP gain from it feels really good though everytime.

[burnt latch]

I mean

What else can you do

If ppl dont do the stuff theyre assigned to do

If you showed up to your job and your boss wasnt filling in the pay checks in time, you wouldnt go and cover for him

[ebon notch]

Ye

Hence why I'm bitching

[burnt latch]

Is raider chat spicy are people malding

I fiend for some content

[limber lion]

nah, people just left discord quickly

[ebon notch]

The best part was our warlocks flaming our other warlock who wasn't in

And by the time we killed they did just as much dps as he did

[burnt latch]

Wait what

i dont understand

Like what he did on a previous kill?

[ebon notch]

Our main warlock doesn't do a lot of damage

Today we had 2 people playing their alt warlocks

And they were memeing him

And they ended up doing about the same as him

[burnt latch]

Oh i see

Feels bad for main warlock

[ebon notch]

He gets externald

[burnt latch]

Getting gapped by alts is always a bad feeling

[ebon notch]

He wasn't gapped

That's the point

[burnt latch]

I applied to Anvil Gaming a couple of days ago but havent got a reply

I think i got rejected

[balmy condor]

they only accept E-sports oriented gamers

[burnt latch]

Im massively e-sports oriented i can game for 16 hours in a row without break

[balmy condor]

that or you linked EU logs to an NA guild

[ebon notch]

Oribos lap counter gamer

[burnt latch]

I told them i moves to americas soon

[oak sky]

they would let me in

[burnt latch]

I dont have the addon sadly

[burnt latch]

YOU GOT ACCEPTED??

[oak sky]

they would

im in the same WR range same region same server

[burnt latch]

Duuuude

[oak sky]

we beat them tho

[burnt latch]

Thats a massive opportunity to get into the e-sports scene

[oak sky]

its not a WR jump

:/

[burnt latch]

Just wait till dragonflight blason cooking big tings

[oak sky]

im gonna try to find a guild

for s4

if it ends up being a 1 day reclear type thing maybe ill raid in 2 guilds

dude just realized liquid never sent me the jersey they said i won

[burnt latch]

Why u leave ur current guild

No bueno?

[oak sky]

because i can do better

i like my guild

but

yeah

[burnt latch]

Fair enough

Ambition

I like it

[oak sky]

i almost was in a different guild this tier a few different times actually

just nothing worked out in the end

but i have a much bigger window to find something new before df

so

[bleak sky]

oh it's a jump for sure

just not up

[balmy condor]

might be a little above his level

[burnt latch]

….

[oak sky]

hey

oh wait they only do keys

yeah true

my highest key this season is a 22

[burnt latch]

U should apply to DRAGONKILLER FROM FOREST

theyre up next

[jaunty crystal]

also have a 22 high this season

we're gamers

[oak sky]

my logs arent even that good this tier

we fix that next week

[bleak sky]

imma apply to korruptio

[jaunty crystal]

mine are fine, but I'm kind of disappointed that they aren't better.

[bleak sky]

im sure I can shit on their rogue

and I speak flawless Finnish

[oak sky]

my logs are worse than last tier= bad

theyre still decent

its just because i havent had a reclear in a while

[burnt latch]

Thats a fact

Well on one of them

The other ones a gamer

[jaunty crystal]

who plays for them again

OH

[burnt latch]

Nobody

[jaunty crystal]

nvm lol

ye a few scrubs, no big deal

[burnt latch]

Decent for casuals i guess

Id perform better

For sure

[bleak sky]

you're not even ce they won't take you

💀

[burnt latch]

Uhhhh thats a false statement

Ofc cieft is ce

[bleak sky]

[burnt latch]

Dont spread misinformation

[bleak sky]

also

[bleak sky]

what's happening with your monk keys

[oak sky]

proczieft ce

yep

[bleak sky]

27 fort 16 tyra keys

[burnt latch]

LMAO

[ebon notch]

Warcieft suddenly low on gold

[burnt latch]

Dont expose

It was an expensive boost

[oak sky]

ima see

how many high 90s i can hit next week in reclear

im gonna be in goblin mode

[jaunty crystal]

it's kinda hard on sin atm. Not a lot of parses

[oak sky]

shouldnt matter too much

[jaunty crystal]

rank 13 xymox was barely a 95 for me

[burnt latch]

Its also easier to get a high rank tho!

I believe agreon

On the leaderboards next reset

In poptart corndogs the reset after

[oak sky]

yeah nahhhh

i need like

a guild i can actually raid in during school

(not 5 day prog)

and no day raiding

[burnt latch]

Dont think they day raid do they

[jaunty crystal]

I wouldn't mind a guild that did 1-2 day raids

first week

[burnt latch]

No clue how many days tho

[jaunty crystal]

doesn't poptart play like 5 hours during prog

[oak sky]

1-2 day raids is fine except i cant miss school to raid

not pog

miss college i should say

[burnt latch]

Are day raids common in NA?

[jaunty crystal]

I have more time to play games now that I'm working lol. Perks of wfh.

[burnt latch]

Apart from like RWF guilds

[jaunty crystal]

not really tbh. Some guilds might do 1 day raid. I know revolt did.

[oak sky]

only like the juicer guilds do day raids ye

even day 1 day raid

its probably like 10 guilds

maybe 20

[burnt latch]

Oh thats a fair few tbh

Dont think eu has that many

[oak sky]

im hard guessing

maybe its under 10

i have no idea

[jaunty crystal]

less then 10 do it until the tier is over.

[oak sky]

yeah

[jaunty crystal]

more than 10 do it first week tho

[oak sky]

i meant day 1 day raids

full prog its under 5

for sure

maybe only like liquid bdgg

[burnt latch]

Id guess 5-10 in EU day raid at any point of the prog including RWF guilds

[spice spire]

@burnt latch i miss pink warcieft

[burnt latch]

Same dude…

Actually sad

[oak sky]

climbing WR would be really nice tho

because it makes prog fewer weeks

and reclear fewer days

[burnt latch]

Yup thats the best part

[jaunty crystal]

in terms of NA guilds something like infinity would be my ideal in terms of WR and hours put in

that's the sweet spot imo

[oak sky]

for now for me i would be down for like

late hof

type guild

[burnt latch]

Just gotta find balance between how fast the raid gets cleared and how much is required, and how much u get to play

[jaunty crystal]

late hof is risky, just gotta avoid the high pull guilds lol.

like elusive 😛

[oak sky]

i dont mind not getting hof for now

just something on that level of competitive at least would be nice

[jaunty crystal]

yea hof isn't a big deal for me. Playing in blur for example would be cool and they aren't hof.

[burnt latch]

I was playing 3 days a week this tier in a guild that ended up getting horde HoF, but I didnt really enjoy it because it was serious enough that they min maxed comp and benched ppl because of class, but not serious enough that the tier took quite long and being benched on a couple of bosses meant 3-4 weeks of no raiding

[balmy condor]

big loser mentality in the chat right now, kill your enemies, feast on the blood of the innocent, your world rank is directly tied to your self worth, never stop the grustle

[oak sky]

where do i belong

[spice spire]

god bless

[burnt latch]

If the prog was done like 2-3 resets faster, then getting benched wouldnt be as bad as u wouldnt be sat for multiple resets

[jaunty crystal]

Whispyr about to be world first

he's on that grind

ye warcieft that sounds kind of bad. I'm guessing you were sat for Anduin/lords?

[burnt latch]

Ye and jailer

[jaunty crystal]

oh wow 😦

[burnt latch]

Yeah it was pretty shit tbh

But thats what u sign up for when raiding that few days but still trying to go for competitive world ranks

Didnt help that the tier was so long this time

[ebon notch]

Have you tried applying

[oak sky]

i start

as soon as i finish reclear next week

when my parses look really good

[ebon notch]

Oh god here we go

Another round of agreon applications

[oak sky]

or i can start later

idrc

[ebon notch]

You stream to me yes?

I make sure you don't apply to any dog guilds

[balmy condor]

NEXT SLIDE MR AGREON

[burnt latch]

Get him to Nocco

Foreign addition

[ebon notch]

[oak sky]

next slide (feint global)

[burnt latch]

Nocco goes international

[oak sky]

yo they cant complain about me not feinting this time

i did a lot on jailer

yall saw it

[burnt latch]

The american markets are there to be conquered

[balmy condor]

I didn't see the feint, that must've not been in the powerpoint

sorry

[ebon notch]

Bro I wasn't sure what frame or pixel it was

Im pretty sure I saw a starswipe transition at some point

[oak sky]

if i ever stream for real

bring this back

please

[ebon notch]

Bring what back

[oak sky]

the meme

[burnt latch]

Sexy back

[balmy condor]

⬛⬛⬛🟩🟩⬛🟩🟩⬛
⬛⬛🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
⬛🟩🟩⬜⬛⬜⬜⬛🟩
⬛🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟧🟧🟧🟧⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩⬛⬛

[oak sky]

im out here singing far ill go from moana

about my guild prospects

[burnt latch]

push it to the limit

[viscid spear]

walk along the razor's edge

[burnt latch]

Certified banger

Slapper

[bleak sky]

you're sick in the head

i hope you copied this from somewhere

[peak bobcat]

When are optimal vendetta timings on anduin?

[limber lion]

Cds on cd

[peak bobcat]

If I can get the full 20 seconds of vendetta on anduin before intermission is it worth to send or should I hold for remnant?

[burnt latch]

You only get one vendetta during intermission anyways

So just send

Afaik necro can get two

[oak sky]

true

[burnt latch]

So then ud probably hold

[gusty mirage]

⬛⬛⬛🟩🟩⬛🟩🟩⬛
⬛⬛🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
⬛🟩🟩⬜⬛⬜⬜⬛🟩
⬛🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟧🟧🟧🟧⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩⬛⬛

[gusty mirage]

congrats on the kill cutie

[uneven hamlet]

!defensives

[oak sky]

thanks sir

[balmy condor]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Please Contribute by filling out the form on the title card with any info you have tested
This sheet is community-driven and may have some inaccuracies or be slightly out of date. You can help fix this by contributing!
Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[balmy condor]

mine's better

get clowned on bozo

[uneven hamlet]

Thank you king

[balmy condor]

[sullen torrent]

hey guys I did my first night of prog on halondrus playing assa and I'd like some feedback if anyone is available to help me read my log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DQh4Y93MvfTkrFcd/#fight=25&type=damage-done

[balmy condor]

Solitary log review

[sharp relic]

Does Ambush have any usage if you don't have Blindside talented?

[gusty mirage]

If you play non-venthyr yes, if you play the boys in red you can take it off your bars

[slim estuary]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[violet jackal]

Can confirm if you play the green boys you can also take it off your bars.

I believe night fae is the only covenant to ambush

[spice spire]

You’ll ambush if subt sims higher on NL as well

[bleak sky]

ambush if subt on venth as well, but this is only really applicable in m+

[spice spire]

If you’re going subt on Venthyr 🤨

[bleak sky]

m+, I forgor to type

💀

[spice spire]

Caught lackin

🤨

[subtle tundra]

[junior lagoon]

is blindside not good?

[spice spire]

It’s currently outpaced by EP

[vestal wren]

EP usually becomes better with higher gear levels

thats why we played BS in the first 2 tiers and now switched to EP

[junior lagoon]

I'm ilvl 240, no tier set atm

[spice spire]

We played EP last tier too, fuu

[vestal wren]

yes, but did it sim better?

[spice spire]

Yes

[vestal wren]

oh, i remembered it incorrect then

[spice spire]

Whichever sims better is what you should run, metal

But I have a suspicion it’ll be EP

[vestal wren]

i thought that BS simmed slightly better but people went EP for personal preferences

[bleak sky]

[vestal wren]

this, always double check with your sim

[junior lagoon]

sounds like they are quite close. I enjoy the gameplay of blindside, so is it not too much of a loss if I run it for the fun?

[vestal wren]

put them both in a sim

[spice spire]

If you can, sure

[bleak sky]

You have basically no gear, so I don't know.

link a sim of your character and we can help out

[spice spire]

If you’re doing content where your dps isn’t needed to be absolutely top end (which most including myself do not) and it’s close, there’s no reason you shouldn’t be able to

[junior lagoon]

I'm not familiar with the sim, can you point me out to a quick guide on how to get started?

[spice spire]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[gusty mirage]

You don’t, blindside simmed better for a lot of people in patchwerk

It was the play on guardian

[bleak sky]

BS/DS was ahead yeah but we played EP for other reasons

[spice spire]

(Not if you were green scum)

I forgot that bit, Necrolord gaming

[gusty mirage]

More energy from dashing, more finishers, more Damooj. More good

[junior lagoon]

blindisde sims 100 higher than EP with my crap gear

[bleak sky]

could you link that sim please

[glass tulip]

We can review the sim while we go out for pancakes, would you care to join minalba?

[bleak sky]

[junior lagoon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qYrVjWY19uFvRdBfy5uT5U

(got mostly outlaw gear tho, cos that's what I was running before)

grinding torghast right now to craft the ass leggo

[glass tulip]

What server are you on?

I gotta search your toon on raidbots

[bleak sky]

click the raiderio icon

[glass tulip]

[ebon notch]

are you ok

[blazing pumice]

@junior lagoon that has outlaw conduits just fyi

[glass tulip]

No I'm dumb

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aqzo2Zt9bYYeuHvxHuZAem

[junior lagoon]

ahhh damn forgot to swap

[blazing pumice]

and an outlaw lego

[glass tulip]

Yeah that'll do it lol

[bleak sky]

also

can you run your sim in top gear @junior lagoon ?

🙂

[burnt latch]

Good day my friends I hope all of you have a great day today

[bleak sky]

good day eu king, hope it goes good for you

[glass tulip]

Thank you Mr Warcieft, inshallah I will have a good day not playing wow

[junior lagoon]

that's the only lego I have atm, grinding torghast as we speak

[burnt latch]

[blazing pumice]

oh ok

[junior lagoon]

just a fyi, I came back to wow after 2-3y hiatus, so my last experience lies in legion. Atm I'm "maining" enha sham and unh dk and trying to get this rogue up with them, but I'm still catching up with a lot of things

been playing on/off only for the past 1-2 months

[blazing pumice]

sin is almost entirely based off 4pc play atm

[bleak sky]

overall tip: sim stuff in top gear, you can basically ignore stat weights/talent compare

[blazing pumice]

you won't get a good feel until you have 4pc

[junior lagoon]

the new expansion might be out by the time I get 4pc :D, unfortunately I don't get much time to play these days, and most of the time I'm just waiting to get in a party for even a +0 or +2 lol, since everyone expects at least 260 ilvl I guess

which kinda sucks for me, as I haven't got many ways to get that if I'm locked out of content

[glass tulip]

Well enjoy what little of shadowlands you can while it lasts, DF will be here soon enough to save us from our misery

[blazing pumice]

I would just play outlaw personally, the tier doesn't matter and it's actually good for m+

sin is just going to play weird without 4pc

[glass tulip]

Outlaw got buffed a couple weeks ago and it has become more popular again, if it's something you like I would agree with that

[junior lagoon]

I enjoy outlaw a lot, hence why I had started on it, but I remember also enjoying assas in legion and the gameplay feels very similar

so far mostly played outlaw, and even got lego for it

[glass tulip]

Assassin is in a spot where it feels pretty bad in dungeons and world content but feels really good in raid

[junior lagoon]

ah ok, so it's not just an impression that outlaw wrecks things in open world or torghast compared to sin :D

[blazing pumice]

it just plays like a typical dot class

except most dot classes have proper aoe abilities nowdays

[glass tulip]

Yeah the only aoe you get in world content is Crimson tempest and it basically tickles mobs

[junior lagoon]

how do I make raidbots or armory understand that I have updated my soulbinds?

[glass tulip]

Raidbots pulls from your armory which only updates every so often

[vestal wren]

using /simc is probably a decent idea to get your actual character soulbinds/gear

[glass tulip]

You need to download the simc addon and then copy/paste that input into raidbots

[ebon notch]

armoury updates whenever you log out

[junior lagoon]

ty, it updated by relogging

[strange python]

Just get the addon, and type /simc in the game...and copy that string into the browser. Super easy and quick.

Plus you can sim Great Vault items too before you select.

[ebon notch]

but yeah get the addon

[junior lagoon]

I will, just waiting to get into this raid. 1.10h in que .... this is how most of my time is spent

[strange python]

You wanna try to do a normal pug?

[junior lagoon]

trying to get just council of blood for the lego memory

[strange python]

oh gotcha

[junior lagoon]

but I had this issue on my sham too, when queueing for sludgefist. That one almost took 2h <.<

[bleak sky]

you can buy it in zereth mortis

[junior lagoon]

ohhh

how much does it cost?

[bleak sky]

idk, it's some cost in soul cinders / cosmic flux

[junior lagoon]

btw, why does bloodmallet sim dashing scoundrel at rock bottom? I kept reading it was on top together with doomblade for ST, but now it's even outclassed by the shiv lego which I thought was meme

[strange python]

Because of how strong 4p is and the reduction on Vendetta I think...and also Dashing Scoundrel's interaction with Frost Gems in SOD?

[blazing pumice]

as I said, nothing will make sense regarding builds or sims until you have 4pc

lego choice is dictated by 4pc

talents are dictated by 4pc

[thorn fjord]

I think DS was still the best choice without tier

[blazing pumice]

cov is dictated by 4pc

[glass tulip]

Venthyr is always good

Necrolord is a little less good but better for dungeons and stuff

Night fae is a more chill 4pc covenant if you like to soulshape

[junior lagoon]

so what to use in the meanwhile? It may be months before I have access to 4pc (mostly my own time constraints), so it's ok if some other lego is better for now, since it's so easy to craft them now

and shiv lego meme or actually strong (with/without 4pc)? The idea of an extra nuke skill sounded fun, but if it's garbage then nvm

[glass tulip]

Your best options right now are still Obedience for venthyr, or dashing for all over covs til 4pc

[junior lagoon]

I already have belt of unity

[glass tulip]

Unity/dashing

Then unity/duskwalkers with 4pc

[junior lagoon]

thank you

[junior lagoon]

the suffering is real <.<

what's more precious between cosmic flux, soul cinders and offerings?

[limber lion]

Depends on what you consider precious.

Offerings are definitely much harder to get an offer more cosmetic rewards, not so much actual power.

Cosmic Flux is the best material in terms of power, because it is used at the Catalyst, to make 291 legos and to buy Soul Cinders/Soul Ash

[hybrid vale]

Cosmic flux is the only thing you cannot send in any way shape or form to Alts

Idk if you can send offering but offerings aren’t good

For getting stuff that’s for game play as cev mentioned

[junior lagoon]

then I suppose cinders it is. I can get around 600 by runnin a floor 11 or similar

easier to get

[hybrid vale]

Well

Oh were you gonna buy the cinders parcel at zm?

That’s def not worth unless you’re overloaded in flux

Which you will be eventually once you craft all the leggos you want and some time passes while doing your regular content as there’s not much else you would spend flux on

[junior lagoon]

oh no, was goin to buy a lego memory, which is availbale for either 1500 flux ,650 cinders or 25 offerings

[glass tulip]

I would use your offerings first if you have them

[limber lion]

Cosmic Flux is also quite widely available if you actively play the game.

I would not use the offerings personally because of how rare they are.

[glass tulip]

you get 300 flux for your first pvp win in 2s and 3s and first match completed in solo queue

fast farm

[limber lion]

I have like 10 offerings in total after playing this expansion for 2 years lol

[glass tulip]

non-cov sanctum gamer smh

[limber lion]

[junior lagoon]

I have around 4k cosmic, 2.2k cinders and 26 offerings, but 2k cosmic and 1.6k cinders will be consumed for the lego

but I guess since cinders are farmable without any timegate, I'll just do an extra torghast run

[limber lion]

yeh shouldn't be too bad

[ebon notch]

PVP TIME

[vestal wren]

have fun

[glass tulip]

I pay people 5k per win at 0CR on my alts

farming pvp flux

[violet jackal]

I'll take that offer

[kindred heron]

Hi so I know we hate externals around here but do we have benevolent faeries optimized? Do we just start slamming vend on cool down?

[deft vault]

you already hold vend for flag

[kindred heron]

Sry lemme rephrase

[limber lion]

Yes.

You just send everything on cooldown when playing Faeries

You can use some deduction skills to decide whether you want to hold Vendetta for an upcoming Flag, but I wouldn't do that if it's more than 10s away.

[ebon notch]

when i randomly got faeries on skolex with cev watching

and we're desperately trying to figure out when to press cds

[kindred heron]

Gotcha, thank you!

[limber lion]

The problem with faeries is that it completely scuffs your rotation if it's given to you randomly

But if you're aware of it happening before pulling the boss, it's much easier to play around it

[unborn python]

Is there an optimal timing that's been presented?

[limber lion]

Everything on cd

Vendetta, Flag and faeries on cd.

[unborn python]

Copy

[spice spire]

Full send Frederick

[unborn python]

Appreciate the response Cev, you da 🐐

[small drift]

guys can i cloak with death sentence or do i trigger the dispell? 😄

[echo geyser]

well u def cant remove it and just have a free immune

[spice spire]

If you’re marked no

For cleave, yes

But that takes away the point of the cleave iirc

[ebon notch]

wait wdym

[echo geyser]

what cleave? u mean meteor thing?

[spice spire]

Yeah,

[ebon notch]

cause i know you can diffuse magic the dot off

[echo geyser]

i mean no way they make it so if u cloak the death sentence, it removes with no downside

[ebon notch]

our hunters have been immuning the soak

[ebon notch]

o igy

[echo geyser]

i mean it still drops the pool

right

[spice spire]

Also rae didn’t send it to me

And that mf did defensive testing out the wazoo

[small drift]

y just wondered if i can cloak if i get bomb with death sentence without dispelling it too early

[ebon notch]

its the one defensive test that will potentially wipe the raid

[echo geyser]

yeah this i dont know

[ebon notch]

but if you can diffuse magic it off then i assume cloak will do the same

[echo geyser]

but anyways if u could, it should drop a pool

i cant imagine u just fully immune it lol

[violet jackal]

sometimes sacrifices must be made for the greater good

[echo geyser]

surely we'd have seen this in WFR by now

!def

[prisma monolith]

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[glossy pelican]

Is there a guide for what gear I need to start farming for when I hit level 60? I’m 52 now. Just got to shadowlands

[hybrid vale]

And it’s so much better on a bunch of other dps

[bleak sky]

just get high ilevel gear

[hybrid vale]

As a consequence of it not synergizing with the leggo + venth …venth sort of limits it’s value due to its cd being fixedish

[shy dust]

I only did feint basically

I skipped a few mechanics that were just DODGE like falling rubble

I think I forgot to do death sentence since didn’t see it on the sheet

[hybrid vale]

Pi’s could maybe help bring the cd of venth down since you’d get more finishers off with it, but idk how much

[shy dust]

Barely

[echo geyser]

there is no class that can fully immune it tho right? (death sentence) aka removing and cause no pool to drop

no bubble or block etc

[hybrid vale]

Unfortunately true

As nf priest, I know assa isn’t on my list of ppl to nf

I like to do it on certain specs that aren’t the top top tier picks but situational can be strong but I feel it really doesn’t do much for assa

[hollow river]

Think it can be decent for NF assa

But it kinda throws off the CD rotation of Venthyr

[ebon notch]

its very nice for outlaw

just reduces the cd of AR

[glossy pelican]

There’s not a specific set I need to chase?

[glass tulip]

Nope, higher ilvl will almost always be better until you're nearly maxed

[violet jackal]

It feels good on necrolord

[glass tulip]

All you need to get is a tier set which comes from any dungeon/raid/pvp and some world gear

[fierce umbra]

Anyone wanna rinse some logs? 🙂

[glass tulip]

drop em here and I'm sure a few peeps are around to take a peek

[fierce umbra]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LqWgcJB7d3AKntHQ#fight=36&type=damage-done&source=11

Just looking for pointers really dont know what i can do diffrently

[glass tulip]

Play nadjia is #1

@spice spire thread please mr quake

[copper sun]

!wf

Anyone has WF sims for 9.2.5?

[vestal wren]

oh wait

http://tiny.cc/vpkquz

[stiff frost]

whats the best soulbind for assassination

[vestal wren]

nadja and theo are nice

[spice spire]

In raid, nadjia is pretty good, in m+ theotar is pretty good as well.

Also depends on covenant etc. best solution is to always sim 🙂

[carmine dawn]

Quake if I like the playstyle of holding shiv for the burst can I keep doing it

For some reason sending it keeps throwing me off

[spice spire]

You can do whatever you like, but it won’t optimize your damage

And can create compounding mistakes; losing flag stacks, means your holding CDs longer, which drops your uses, dropping your overall

[carmine dawn]

Hmm guess I’ll re teach myself

[drifting cloud]

SEND IT

[spice spire]

Based ryler

[drifting cloud]

which reminds me .. I should equip shiv conduit now that its 278

[thorn fjord]

big soothe

[balmy condor]

Send it

[thorn fjord]

If im swapping between all 3 specs right now and more than likely throughout S4 which race should i go?

was thinking zand troll

[glass tulip]

Sim it baybeeeeee

[bleak sky]

dwarf

prob best all around

[glass tulip]

I'm a big fan of di dwarf

[bleak sky]

but then again it doesn't matter except night elf for outlaw

[glass tulip]

Is nelf good or bad for outlaw

[bleak sky]

huge

gigantic

[glass tulip]

How come

[bleak sky]

meld -> ambush

[echo geyser]

it simply just looks the best

[bleak sky]

big cto stonks

[echo geyser]

[thorn fjord]

What if we're not playing Alliance scum? 😛

[glass tulip]

Belf/orc are my top two

[thorn fjord]

I'm orc now but they seem to be kind of low on the list

[echo geyser]

belf cause best mog

[glass tulip]

It's a pretty negligible amount in gains or losses so it comes down to racial play style

I like belf a lot to help with energy

[thorn fjord]

Might just go Belf so i can be a sexy princess like god intended

[echo geyser]

thats the move

[strange python]

My desire to sneak around and kill stuff has increased since going belf

[violet jackal]

but double food buff pandaren is definitely the choice

i'm curious if the sims account for that

[strange python]

I can't imagine they wouldn't -- but is that like a racial?

Because I think most racials are like 1-2% dmg and pretty even

dang you guys gotta step up your vigilant guardian normal game.

[strange python]

and lol is that you ^^

[bleak sky]

ya thats ninjapandax-arthas

[strange python]

i bet i have 4 kills hah

lol i do

nah dont try - let me have something

[glass tulip]

I am fairly confident that out of most people who are regularly in this channel we could go make an 8 man group, solo DPS the trash and get rank 1 in a matter of minutes

The real ones get 100s in heroic week

[thorn fjord]

count me in

[glass tulip]

Inb4 cev comes in to post his 100 average performance

[ebon notch]

hes still working on it

when i trade him dagger its over

its the only thing holding him back

[glass tulip]

I slept through alt raid on accident so no vault this week

[oak sky]

No vault needed when the big mans gone

[thorn fjord]

No more vaults for me either =(... I failed to get Sigil

[violet jackal]

das me

[spice spire]

[glass tulip]

big man is gone for the guild but not for me

[oak sky]

I would die for her (skolex belt)

Ill literally gear my monk up and do 8 keys a week for it if i have to

To catalyze it

[hybrid vale]

Cev skipped straight to mythic

[glass tulip]

@oak sky I have not gotten 278 wrists to this day.

no vault, no drop

[oak sky]

I have a belt

But i need that tmog

Im desperate

[hybrid vale]

Time to hit the arena….

[glass tulip]

nope

arena on a rogue makes me want to cry at 1700

[oak sky]

Arena

Im 8/9 on the rogue tmog tho

No cloak

[cedar otter]

how do you have fingers enough for playing rougue at arenas

[hybrid vale]

You can get the gear in twos too! And I think outlaw is fun

Assa is badish and sub is hard!

[glass tulip]

twos is literal cancer and makes me want to die

[glass tulip]

buy a boe and cata

shitty statted ones are cheap

[oak sky]

I cant buy a boe

[hybrid vale]

Ah ok, for me if I’m in more of pve focused patch mindset I’ll do 2’s for PvP stuff

[oak sky]

Havent done a boost key in over a montj

[hybrid vale]

Cause 3’d requires me to know what to fuckin do

[glass tulip]

2s is so disgusting, its just 1 shot melee cleaves

[hybrid vale]

Q with a hpriest and live foreva

Kywian dust

[cedar otter]

can someone help me ? Looking at the discord guides for assassination rogues, I found out that Nadjia is the soulbind recommended ... but theres a lot of Theotar players at the top logs ... I'm confused

[glass tulip]

Theotar relies on making best use of its Shade buff. So if there is lots of movement or you are expected to do lots of mechanics or your tanks just like to run the boss around Nadjia is a much more stable choice

Theo will usually sim higher which means you can theoretically do more damage but again, relies on standing in that umbrella

[cedar otter]

Nice, ty for that !

[hollow river]

Double assa one shot is pretty effective up to 18-1900

[glass tulip]

^ me facing anything that isnt another rogue/rdruid

[hollow river]

I actually want to try and get glad really bad before season 4

Huge doubt that I’d be able to make it happen though

[glass tulip]

go to palumor's channel and type !gold

im sure its possible ;)

[strange python]

dang i think reddit is broken

[limber lion]

I see you have forgotten my private logs.

[limber lion]

It works fine for me. I'm 40 minutes late though

[ebon notch]

how would i forget

[limber lion]

They do yeah, Panda was a pretty busted race in PTR but it was changed a bit before it hit live.

[limber lion]

Nelf is like +250 dps for Outlaw compared to Belf. It's a massive jump, we have nothing like that on Assa.

[strange python]

Yeah seems back up

But seems i was not the only person lol

[limber lion]

Good stuff, perfect time to be out practicing

[strange python]

I've just never seen it actually down before lol

Anyone wanna run 2v2 with me (0 rating)

0 pvp gear

[burnt latch]

I have all the rank 1 logs full light orange logs AMA

Got tips for all the fights + dungeons

[oak sky]

i have all 99 dungeon logs (i dont)

[burnt latch]

well played mate

also ask @oak sky if im not here

we both best

[oak sky]

whats up

[burnt latch]

the sky

[peak sandal]

Wow you guys sound really tall and handsome and talented

Kind of jealous...

[burnt latch]

thats me yes how can i help

[peak sandal]

How do I kill bosses

[burnt latch]

buy consumables (flask oil health pot) and look the logger for best one

[peak sandal]

Awesome thank you

[burnt latch]

np mate gl

[oak sky]

to kill the boss

do 0 damage

and do all the mechanics

its what your raid lead wants so its correct

[peak sandal]

What if I do some damage and all the mechanics

[oak sky]

nah

damage doesnt matter

[peak sandal]

Oh well fuck

[burnt latch]

pretty hard tbh i dont believe

u not me or @oak sky

we the best

[peak sandal]

Need to apologize to my gm then...

[burnt latch]

and we do that

[peak sandal]

Back to boomie prison for me then

[oak sky]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-dancing-footwork-gif-9537824

[burnt latch]

https://tenor.com/view/you-smart-thats-it-that-is-correct-good-thinking-gif-19162363

[spice spire]

I’ve heard in the grapevine that agreonr-tichondrius is the NA Warcieft

[burnt latch]

he is

he even sounds finnish

[spice spire]

No he doesn’t

[echo geyser]

[spice spire]

[echo geyser]

bookmarked

[oak sky]

Whered you get that idea 🤨

[spice spire]

[echo geyser]

u got the cos ring i respect that @oak sky

big grind

[burnt latch]

I didnt

[echo geyser]

not many ppl have it

[burnt latch]

Agreon > Warcieft

Confirmed

[oak sky]

Wasnt that big of a grind for me

Got it traded by our mage

[echo geyser]

we take those

[oak sky]

Ill have more gear come tuesday

[burnt latch]

Im getting ryge dagger and jailer fist on tuesday reclear, and grabbing all the rank 1s on wednesday

[oak sky]

But its pretty because if we dont get far enough on tuesday/wednesday i could miss rygelon n shit because im going on vacation and ill miss that monday

[burnt latch]

Nah ull be fine with two days

[echo geyser]

are u daps

[oak sky]

[echo geyser]

only he can loot those in 1 week

[burnt latch]

No i actually like Nocco

Im the promised child of gear

[oak sky]

We definitely cant full clear in 2d

[burnt latch]

I ask and receive my and ionidius have a pact

[burnt latch]

/doubt

[oak sky]

But maybe we can get past andy

[burnt latch]

Its honestly very easy now

[oak sky]

Would be nice to get through rygelon

[burnt latch]

We got 10 bosses down in 4 hrs and like over 50% of our roster hadnt logged in for 10 weeks

[oak sky]

Youre korruptio

[burnt latch]

No strat planning or anything

[echo geyser]

we just went first boss > anduin skip

[oak sky]

Im imposters-tichondrius

[burnt latch]

Imposters-tichondrius is bis

I believe in u guys

[echo geyser]

i think we only killed like 8 or 9 ? bosses last week, but jailer rekilled first time

[burnt latch]

Ye i think if u skip to jailer then 11 bosses might be a stretch on the first reclear, but most CE guilds can probably do either 10/11 no jailer, or like 6/11 with jailer

[echo geyser]

now its nerfed since last time i think tho

or is it

i killed on sunday

[burnt latch]

Yes

Now its giga easy

[echo geyser]

maybe full clear

[burnt latch]

The guild i was helping out had their best pull 31% pre nerf, we killed it in 6 pulls after nerfs

[echo geyser]

[burnt latch]

Its so free honestly

[echo geyser]

i was watching blason last night

didnt seem so

[burnt latch]

Lmao were u there too

[echo geyser]

[burnt latch]

Dude honestly best wow stream of 2022

Chat was fucking hilarious

[echo geyser]

after doing a vod review you had ToD ready

[burnt latch]

im proud to say I started that

[oak sky]

We cant even do the skip yet

[burnt latch]

Ez 10/11 still

I believe in u

Agreon > Warcieft

Proven many times

[oak sky]

Warcieft guild> agreonr guild

[burnt latch]

I believe in you guys

The bosses wont stand a chance

[limber lion]

damn das crazy man

[strange python]

New guild I joined took a 6 week break lol

No skip either

[scenic marlin]

anyone about that could answer a few qs about jailer prog as assa?

[magic torrent]

[balmy condor]

is that the first question

[scenic marlin]

yes :>

was wondering about trinket options and nadj vs theo

cos they are all pretty similar to eachother

also was wondering about if saving pot for while buffed by azerite buff is worth or not

seen logs where some just pot on pull and blast and some save for 1 minute to get 3 stacks

but ends up similar overall dam

[balmy condor]

nadjia for sure

"trinket options" is very open ended

[balmy condor]

yes

save

[scenic marlin]

ok thats fair

[blazing pumice]

boss is about 8 minutes now

[scenic marlin]

did wonder about the nadj v theo cos its very much 50/50 which i thought was weird, cos surely nadj seems like the better choice cos u cant make very efficient use of the umberella usually?

[blazing pumice]

you can save and still get another one off before he falls over

boss used to be 10+ min

[scenic marlin]

yeah our kill time is looking to be about 8:15 ish

[balmy condor]

yeah

umbrella is stronk

and you can't ever stand in it

[scenic marlin]

triple potency too right

i suppose if you ever got good procs and could sit in it, it would be better but its too rng

[balmy condor]

correct

[scenic marlin]

makes sense atleast

just tryna find some more mid max to our damage

cos we seem to be lacking atm ( granted i know im not playing perfectly and know where i can improve) but was just wondering if those things were that big or not

[balmy condor]

mid max

they're not really that big

[blazing pumice]

damage shouldn't be an issue anymore lol

[balmy condor]

the only thing that's really big is holding your cds at the start of p3 for the 6 stack

everything else kinda whatever

as long as you don't die and cooldown every minute you're chillin

[scenic marlin]

yeah thats pretty much what i am doing

[scenic marlin]

always getting around 28-30 stacks on flag

and just using cds as soon as they are back up

(aslong as i dont get that bomb overlap T_T)

[balmy condor]

yep

cloak the first pull-in

[scenic marlin]

alright

[ebon notch]

👀

[scenic marlin]

thanks for the answers ^^ pretty much covered what i thought which is good i suppose 😄

atleast im not a million miles off

[ivory hinge]

!cahce

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[hasty siren]

is cache simming really poorly right now? IDQ is simming better for me atm.

[drifting cloud]

thats normal

[hasty siren]

!iqd

[limber lion]

whatchu looking for with that command?

[cedar otter]

while vendetta is up, whats better: refresh your bleeds thats running out or refresh slice and dice (thats running out either) with envenom ?

[marble hemlock]

refreshing bleeds

although theres typically smth wrong before if snd is running out

[gilded solstice]

can dark iron dwarves clear sepsis with the racial? :S

[pure sinew]

Probably?

Sepsis sounds like a disease to me

[oak sky]

think its a poison

[marble hemlock]

psure its undispellable?

like, its a poison in the sense that its whitelisted for all poison related damage bonuses

spelldata says dispel-type poison tho

[cedar otter]

Mutilate or ambush as a opener ?

[balmy condor]

mutilate

you can unbind ambush if you'd like

it's never used in pve

well technically it is with non-venthyr builds playing subterfuge but it's really negligible

[oak sky]

yeah i have no idea i dont pvp or anything like that

[oak sky]

how cool would it be if blizzard was sane, had read your google doc, and made ambush have a bleed as a talent/part of blindside or something

[bleak sky]

Dm it to scarizard

I'm sure he's gonna appreciate it and maybe even consider

[oak sky]

hes not a class dev he couldnt do anything with that information anyway

but it would be a good troll

😈

[balmy condor]

I did

he read it

[oak sky]

probably put every idea on the blacklist to ensure our class design will be mid forever

😈

sigma grind

[bleak sky]

delete rogue

delete uhdk

frost dk bis next xpac

[balmy condor]

he said it was interesting ideas to use for the future

made my heart all warm and fuzzy

(we won't see any)

[oak sky]

i swear dude if i see improved mastery on our talent tree

im calling the feds

[balmy condor]

they reverted the mastery from legion

now you have to talent into mastery affecting bleeds

[oak sky]

literally

[bleak sky]

"We learned that haste snapshotting on assassination leads to degenerate gameplay, so haste no longer affects bleed tick rate. This is a buff."

[oak sky]

[marble hemlock]

t10 talent - haste now affectes your bleeds and poisons

[balmy condor]

I can't wait to spend my first 2 points on mutilate, and mutilate rank 2 (now your mutilate generates 2cp)

[oak sky]

mut 1 pointer first on tree assuredly

[marble hemlock]

cant wait for "while vendetta is active, your haste value is tripled"

[balmy condor]

that would be fine

cause haste value doesn't snapshot

it's when they fuck with the tick rates

that's when it gets fucked

[oak sky]

like this is literally the top of our tree right?

[balmy condor]

oh for sure

[oak sky]

like theres a 100% chance