assassination

[ebon notch]

Fight time

[bleak sky]

4-6

but yeah

20% of fight length

[oak sky]

still typically 1 cast of sigil

[ebon notch]

Nice

[oak sky]

and iqd gets extra value during lust

[ebon notch]

I mean if it's a 5:30 sim sigil will win no matter what

That 25s of stats is huge

Cause you get it during a lot of your overhang

Idk if someone has the option between iqd and sigil and they're on prog I'd still recommend sigil every time

@bleak sky am I trolling or

[bleak sky]

like sure it's easier to play

but if they can absolutely get 2 good uses out of IQD, why not?

will vary from raid to raid right

[ebon notch]

It comes down to prog Vs farm in my mind

Prog is always shaky in terms of IQD giving mana or healing or trying to taunt the boss

Farm is w.e go nuts

Did you see what echo did on sylv prog btw

[bleak sky]

[ebon notch]

They used their boomies to innervate all the healers in p4

So their iqd guaranteed stats

[bleak sky]

[ebon notch]

P3 sry

[bleak sky]

actual chads

[ebon notch]

They were losing literally millions of damage

Because it wasn't working

And innervate is a 3 min cd right?

[bleak sky]

unsure

I have close to 0 knowledge of healer things

appears to be 3 min yes

[ebon notch]

Nice

Good job minalba

[bleak sky]

thanks mr daps

but i see where you come from

if you absolutely want 0 chances of getting fucked on prog IQD can suck

[ebon notch]

Like I did try it

And whenever it didn't give stats I was just like

What's the point if I have a cache or sigil that guarantees something

But giving your healers mana or topping someone can be huge for prog purposes

Idk how much mana it gives even

[hollow river]

sheesh daps

blazing up a storm in all the spec channels

how many noccos have you had tn

[ebon notch]

All of them

Thoughts?

[bleak sky]

my thought:

i've never been so tired after raid night as I am right now

[hollow river]

[bleak sky]

jailer is draining

halp

[ebon notch]

It really is

I'd just put my head in my hands and chill for a bit lmao

[bleak sky]

[ebon notch]

Do what you gotta do bruh

Unwind

[bleak sky]

you raiding OT for weeks on jailer is nuts

papa bless the nocco juice

[hollow river]

daps be puffin the devils lettuce

n drankin the jumba juice

getting tilted on a whole different scope of the term

[ebon notch]

Wanna hear something crazy

I've never drank a NOCCO

I'm all natural

My gf been chugging them tho

[hollow river]

[bleak sky]

natty gamer no PEDs

[ebon notch]

Drink Hella water kids

[subtle tundra]

Yall weird

[ebon notch]

Good for you

Or else you turn out like @subtle tundra

[bleak sky]

i want to become monke as well

stop drinking water

[subtle tundra]

I want to sleep

[bleak sky]

[ebon notch]

Return to monke

[bleak sky]

go bedge

[ebon notch]

I am in bedge

[subtle tundra]

Exam in 30 minutes is stopping me

[bleak sky]

i am about to bedge as well

what subject varas

[ebon notch]

Do you need advice varas

[bleak sky]

i can teach you math

[ebon notch]

You doing smth easy like quantum physics or

[subtle tundra]

Mathematics

[subtle tundra]

Passed already

[bleak sky]

be specific monk main

[ebon notch]

It's all maths

That's the test

[subtle tundra]

It's called special mathematics

[ebon notch]

Could be 2+2 or quadratics bro

[bleak sky]

the entire mathematics

[ebon notch]

[subtle tundra]

Can't be more specific than that

[ebon notch]

Special maths for a special little guy

What ilevel is your monk rn

[subtle tundra]

Yass

278

[bleak sky]

bootless?

[ebon notch]

Ooo nice

I hit 275 today

[subtle tundra]

Nope

[bleak sky]

[ebon notch]

But I have a 265 elegy

And 272 weapon

[subtle tundra]

Drop better loot

[ebon notch]

Haven't gotten into raid yet

Soonge

GL with your exam

[bleak sky]

gl gl varas

[subtle tundra]

Pooooah

[bright turret]

Is there a trick to getting axe out of cache on pull, or do you have to manipulate your raid's pull timer

[subtle tundra]

Passed

[subtle tundra]

It changes seemingly random at the start of the pull so not really

[winter gale]

Eternal Stat over Skirmish if they sim the same?

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[hardy dagger]

Jailer dead

[twilit python]

gz

[winter gale]

Gz!!

[vestal wren]

big gz

[violet jackal]

my brothers in poisons, we have claimed our rightful spot as king of boss damage once again, all is balanced

[random fossil]

alhamdulillah

[spice spire]

Boss damage bless

[ebon notch]

Viklund gonna break my legs on god

He yelled at me for not using a healthstone on rygelon

[indigo mulch]

:pepehands:

[ebon notch]

I told him I had cloak and he said the healers don't know that

And I could kill someone else

[indigo mulch]

It's okay we rogue brothers understand your pain.

Honestly I generally wait til after cheat death to do any consumables

Healers love me.

[ebon notch]

[muted ridge]

Quick Q about AoE-ing as Assa, do I just spam CT when its 4+ targets given they dont live longer than 10sec

[brazen zodiac]

gratz

[brazen zodiac]

p sure u never in any real scenario never spam ct

[muted ridge]

So in situation like Mythic jailer in P3 where we get the adds all around Jailer to take down, should I just use CT once and Envenom Jailer/adds?

or spread ruptures?

[violet jackal]

I think at 20+ targets you can

[brazen zodiac]

any real scenario haha

anduin real >:)

[gusty mirage]

Fuck that boss

[violet jackal]

Bring back the crab pull

[hollow escarp]

I think Whispyr said 38 targets

[violet jackal]

we need the faq to be updated then

[brazen zodiac]

fuck innocence

how ur melee one shot me with 1 ghosted mod

[gusty mirage]

Bro?

[brazen zodiac]

hows wow life for u oxi

[gusty mirage]

Jailer prog. Could be worse. Freedom almost here

[gusty mirage]

I hate it I hate it I hate it

https://tenor.com/view/pissed-off-rage-angry-gif-16632216

[brazen zodiac]

gl u tots got this

[violet jackal]

Can i have your spot for reclears?

[brazen zodiac]

i quit 4 path cuz rl quit and i cant be fucked looking for a guild rn

although i do miss making a d a d apart of my rotation :(

[brazen zodiac]

👋

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

I’m pumping tho

Might be the first end boss I don’t parse like shit

[fleet anchor]

Jailer prog is literally lowering my IQ

Fight is actually just ridiculously boring to me

[gusty mirage]

If it makes you feel better I popped a pinky toe into the 2nd tank soak and died 3 times

[vestal wren]

its fairly scripted

[gusty mirage]

Our first time seeing p3 I just straight up strafed into a hole

[fleet anchor]

Why they needed to make a 300+ pull boss be so ass is beyond me lol

Actually just a sad fight

Can’t wait for this mechanics soup tier to be over

[gusty mirage]

Have we figured out why he can parry from behind yet?

Because unless you’re right up in his gooch he still parries

[fleet anchor]

I’ve given up trying to figure out anything about this fight. It’s ridiculously jank.

[gusty mirage]

But not too close because then you’re “inside the hit box” and not behind him

[vestal wren]

superhuman senses, he is the jailer you know

[bleak sky]

Jailer parries are somehow worse than sylv

And sylv was already incredibly shit

[gusty mirage]

At least the sylv ones she turned around

[fleet anchor]

I also enjoy that P2 MCs use PvP ability modifiers 🤣

[gusty mirage]

This is just what the fuck

[bleak sky]

Does it actually?

[gusty mirage]

Yes

Gives you honor too

[bleak sky]

What

[fleet anchor]

Only the P2 ones though

Not P1

[bleak sky]

💀 💀 💀 💀

[ebon notch]

you can get the honourable kill achievement

[bleak sky]

This game isn't real man

[ebon notch]

[gusty mirage]

This boss is actually just a diarrhea of mechanics

And none of them are fun

We had a tank who got hit for 6 million by misery, he was the only one to die in the soak

Didn’t have the debuff either

[fleet anchor]

More mechanics make a fight more betterer right?

[bleak sky]

Yes

Put all of them

Give jailer a dark phase as well

[gusty mirage]

Someone explain pls

[ebon notch]

nobody soaked the tank

its a wipe mechanic

[gusty mirage]

We did

[ebon notch]

not enough people then

[gusty mirage]

He was the only one to die lol

The rest of us lived

[ebon notch]

i wonder if he dies before the mechanic finishes

oh

[fleet anchor]

Did he have the debuff from the previous?

[ebon notch]

if the other tank was dead

[vestal wren]

saw the typo ^^

[ebon notch]

then maybe he got 2 tank soaks in a row

[gusty mirage]

He said he didn’t. I didn’t check the logs tbh

I just found that hilarious

[bleak sky]

You don't get hit that hard unless debuffed

[gusty mirage]

Also the p2 tank mechanic hitting for 130k

Very cool

Run this circle to narnia

And survive a 130k hit

[bleak sky]

Eh

I don't think that one is too bad

[gusty mirage]

It’s just obnoxious

He melees for 80k bro

Like what

[bleak sky]

Yeah he hits real hard

[gusty mirage]

This is him nerfed now

Makes sense why fel wore 500 Unity leggos now

He needed the HP

[bleak sky]

💀

[gusty mirage]

Jailer pre nerf on a prot pally sounds absolutely miserable

But tbh the fight is about learning the tricky overlaps and then just surviving

It is very boring lol

[hardy dagger]

Aye the bombrng and getting parried whilst being "behind" him was Infuriating

[gusty mirage]

Yeah idk what the fuck is behind that boss

[ebon notch]

probably almost unkillable

did any prot pallys kill it pre nerf?

[gusty mirage]

Not sure, I mean iKTB got pretty close but their prot pally was like 288 ilvl

So

Killed it during his 2 week “break”

[spice spire]

Very deserved break

[fleet anchor]

Players: It's really annoying how inconsistent parries are with bosses that turn all directions to cast things
Blizzard: We hear you, and we'll be looking at addressing this in a future patch
Future Patch: Bosses now parry from all directions

[vestal wren]

at least consistent ^^

[shell kettle]

Do people sync their vendetta uses with blood stacks on jailer m?

Is that worth waiting for?

[hardy dagger]

The only one I can think of is the first one in p3?

[shell kettle]

My question is just if thats worth waiting for. Obviously when it aligns you might as well

[glass tulip]

I couldn't say for sure but my advice would be to look at the timings of that buff versus how long you would need to hold the cds

because typically more casts of vendetta will always do more than one stronger cast, yeah?

[ebon notch]

no

only time i hold cds

is in p3 for when adds spawn and we get 6 stack

but even then you cant use it earlier because of how much movement there is

[shell kettle]

I thought so, thanks

[muted ridge]

Question about Shiv. I see in Faq that I should use Shiv on CD. If I'm like less than 5 sec from Flag and about to pop vendetta with it, shouldnt I hold Shiv for it?

[spice spire]

It’s a minimal gain if any.
Kind of a moot point.
If that extra 5s gains you another shiv window; it’s a loss.
So why try to overthink is the logic there

[limber lion]

Well, actually

That is the logic that we want to follow.

We want to hold Shiv for Vendetta/Flag windows, if Vendetta is used in less than 12 seconds.

Meaning we use Shiv on cooldown everytime, except every other Vendetta window, where we would want to hold it for the 5 or so seconds like he described.

Using Shiv on cooldown purely is a loss, as is holding Shiv for every Vend/Flag window

[muted ridge]

So like opener Vendetta + shiv, then shiv alone and then hold shiv for like 5 sec (I think is there downtime) for Vendetta right?

[limber lion]

The rule you can follow is "if Shiv is ready and Flag cooldown <8s, then hold Shiv"

oops, the other way around

[muted ridge]

Got it

Thank you

[limber lion]

It looks like:

Flag/Vend/Shiv (at the beginning of Vend)
Shiv
Shiv
Flag/Vend
Shiv (towards the end of Vend)
Shiv
hold Shiv for 3-8s
Flag/Vend/Shiv (at the beginning of Vend)

[muted ridge]

Oh okay

[violet jackal]

Retires then peeks back in to knowledge bomb then goes back into hiding

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

Goats don’t miss

[muted ridge]

I was mostly wondering if its more worth holding Shiv 2p bonus for vendetta but looks like I just cast on cd

thanks a lot

[limber lion]

Yeah you wouldn't hold it for every Vend/Flag cast

[carmine dawn]

This guy is so helpful he should be a CF

[limber lion]

[viscid spear]

Is it still Theo over Nadja?

[bleak sun]

With haste tea ye

[viscid spear]

Only with haste?

[red plaza]

In sims, but not in raid

[spice spire]

Nadjia is a good set and forget

Since heavy movement

[viscid spear]

Just feeling like shit with Outlaw, Quake

[limber lion]

Nadja for Sin, Theotar for Outlaw

[spice spire]

Practice is important

[viscid spear]

So is actually being able to be good at the spec 🙈

[spice spire]

You can, it just takes practice and tweaking

I believe papi

[worn sorrel]

you dont go theotar as sin?

[ebon notch]

its only worth for like

2 bosses

maybe 3

[worn sorrel]

well i only play m+

[limber lion]

Well if you're sadistic enough to play Sin in m+, then go for it.

[worn sorrel]

damn

why is everyone telling me that

[limber lion]

Because it's the truth

[worn sorrel]

I enjoy it

[limber lion]

But no harm in playing what you like

Yeh

[worn sorrel]

i mean it has a cool playstyle

[limber lion]

It is quite underwhelming

A lot of work for little gain

[worn sorrel]

i agree

[limber lion]

Coming from an assassination one-trick

[worn sorrel]

it needs some kind of aoe interaction with envenom imo

[limber lion]

nah

[worn sorrel]

so your vendetta doesnt feel weird

[limber lion]

envenom is boring

should be something else

something completely new

[worn sorrel]

yeah that works too

[bleak sky]

You barely get to set-up your stuff in m+ as sin

[carmine dawn]

Make exsanguinate spread bleeds

Talent sucks anyway

[vestal wren]

my guess is that they get rid of it in dragonflight

[strange python]

My RL sends me to all 3 artificer platforms, gets mad when I die on the third, and doesn't believe me when I say I have low aoe burst.

Help

[bleak sky]

Go next

[spice spire]

That’s a GG open mid moment

[hollow river]

Sounds like it’s either a time to play sub angle or find a new guild

[oak sky]

Hmmm tell him hes dumb about the burst and press cloak

[strange python]

Cloak doesn't last long enough to live p3

I just need two more weeks here for mount but holy fuck

Gonna lose my mind

[oak sky]

Cloak feint vial healthstone healthpot

[strange python]

It ticks for 45k lol, shits just death

[bleak sky]

R1 heal parse right there

[spice spire]

Man is feinting more

Bless

[oak sky]

I mean yeah hes just stupid throwing you on the platform

I stopped getting sent like 2nd day of prog

Or maybe it was 1st reclear

Idr

But last time we only sent ww destro and hunters basically

[ebon notch]

wtf is wrong

with shamans

on jailer

[ebon notch]

dispatch with CTO

👀

[spice spire]

Bring back dispatch as an execute

[limber lion]

wut

[spice spire]

In mists it was an execute

[ebon notch]

i want rtb buffs when i press envenom

is that so hard to ask

[spice spire]

Blindside procc’d dispatch, not ambush

[limber lion]

sheeesh

[spice spire]

And at 30% iirc it was your filler instead of Mut.
Was a good time.

And then I quit for a decade

[quasi nymph]

how comes assasin doing so well now?

[vestal wren]

nothing rly changed for assassination

but statistically, maybe kill times get lower what could benefit the spec

[quasi nymph]

fair, ty

[balmy condor]

rygelon got added to the overall statistics for sin

when jailer has 50 public parses from assassination, it'll jump up again

[misty holly]

Im more wondering why sub has fallen so much.

[balmy condor]

it just can't cleave and gets outclassed by other specs

[quasi nymph]

wait can assassin cleave?

[balmy condor]

as time goes on, the graph tends towards optimized characters across all fights

[balmy condor]

I mean better than sub

2 target sin is where it's at

[misty holly]

assassination is real good at 2-3 targets

you can maintain all bleeds on everything

[quasi nymph]

they only have like 2 bleeds right?

[balmy condor]

3

garrote, rupture, crimson tempest

[quasi nymph]

oh is that their aoe thing?

[balmy condor]

yes

[quasi nymph]

noice

[balmy condor]

but yeah the weekly graphs wowhead posts are nice and all

but the information is practically worthless

[echo geyser]

[fleet anchor]

Nothing stopping you from running CtO and getting some sweet buffs with Vanish Ambush 🤣

[ebon notch]

ALMOOO

[fleet anchor]

10.0 RtB on all specs?!

[vestal wren]

pls no

[misty holly]

Make RTB talent a passive proc on envenom/eviscerate casts. Last for 8 seconds or something. I would take that.

Envenom could use the buff, and that wouldn't be annoying to maintain.

[worn sorrel]

Whats rtb

[misty holly]

roll the bones

[oak sky]

Why are we talking about rtb Susge

[misty holly]

10.0 ideas!

[oak sky]

Youre entitled to your opinion i guess

[glass tulip]

I need to learn to play outlaw

Who wants to funnel me a pox

[spice spire]

You need some bitches!!!

[oak sky]

Im @ing you but definitely not me

[glass tulip]

Quake if your girl has any friends that need someone give them my number

[oak sky]

[spice spire]

They might be a bit old for you homie (iirc you’re early 20s)

[glass tulip]

Okay and

[oak sky]

Bro i need some early 20s too

[spice spire]

Unless you like em older

[oak sky]

Hmu anytime

[glass tulip]

[spice spire]

Bruh I’m turning 30 next month. You’re batting at that range

[glass tulip]

I'm tryna get wifed up and have a family bro

[spice spire]

Say less

On god I’m omw

[glass tulip]

Have kids to run my korthia dailies

[bleak sky]

it's just a few years diff

it's fine

[spice spire]

Like 6

[bleak sky]

[spice spire]

[glass tulip]

Yeah bro you think we can't hang

Almost 24

[oak sky]

20

[kindred heron]

Boomer spec btw

[oak sky]

Yeah I'm essentially the most boomer sin player

[glass tulip]

Agreon I might be moving off tich

Making money moves

[oak sky]

Good shit

Probably wont move until after jailer

[glass tulip]

Gonna get back to my native 4ms

[oak sky]

Wheres that

[kindred rapids]

I transferred to area52

[oak sky]

Saw that

[kindred rapids]

Want that west coast ping back

Makes more of a difference than I realized

[glass tulip]

I get close to no ping on central

Area, Illidan, Sargeras, Ragnaros...

[oak sky]

Im west coast and im 20-30 on tich proudmoore etc

Probably just a routing thing

[kindred rapids]

Yeah I went from 19 to 5x

[glass tulip]

I have about 48-68 on Tich

Doesn't really feel different though

[bleak sky]

I doubt going from 19 to 50 makes an actual difference on wow

[balmy condor]

You can’t notice a thing until like 80-90

[carmine dawn]

My monitor is 144 so I guess I’m just Bill Dipperly

[storm onyx]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[balmy condor]

that’s hertz not ping

[carmine dawn]

I’m 27 I can definitely rent a car

[hollow escarp]

I was pretty sure everybody was talking about age

[tribal mauve]

Jailer dead zedxflojbn,xgfreiu vboxfgurev ofuezr 400+ pull

[echo geyser]

gz did u lose ur mental?

also any loot?

[tribal mauve]

got the mount, had to trade it xD

[echo geyser]

what

[tribal mauve]

nah 100% fine

[echo geyser]

u a trial or why trade mount

[shell kettle]

Trade mount sounds like scam

[echo geyser]

hecking use it

[shell kettle]

84 pulls in at 50% here, pretty pog prog so far tbh

Could use some help tho, because I suck

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/jNVKrhLzWg67xZnJ/h2c6NFaRYW1LpAgP#fight=22,29&phase=1&type=casts&source=17,8&view=timeline
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/jNVKrhLzWg67xZnJ/h2c6NFaRYW1LpAgP#fight=22,29&phase=1&type=damage-done&source=17,8

His bleeds are casually doing 3.1k more dps than mine despite similar uptimes. Clearly im not using my vendettas right, can someone elaborate?

[carmine dawn]

Hmm I’m on mobile and am the worst player here but the most common mistake is missing the garrote / rup snapshot

Looks like you mighta missed the garrote snapshot on first vend

[shell kettle]

I didn't think that was something that we do as a basis but rather when it incidentally happens, I guess that means there is also a sort of timing for when to start vendetta

[carmine dawn]

Yeah hit a dummy for an hour

Vendetta rotation is pretty scripted

(Mut crits tho ofc)

[shell kettle]

Doesnt dusk mess with it tho

[oak sky]

No

[shell kettle]

And having to move away and shit

[oak sky]

You always sync vendetta with flag

[shell kettle]

Hm I get vendetta back way before I get flag back though

[oak sky]

Yeah

You hold ot

It

[shell kettle]

Do I just sit on it?

Ok

[oak sky]

You do basically what you do in opener

[carmine dawn]

You hold every other shiv if that helps

[oak sky]

Flag, 2 finishers using mfd, then vendetta

[carmine dawn]

Pretty good info in the faq and pins

About that

[shell kettle]

I just figured we just send it because thats what other people seemed to be doing but I was led astray then, probably by my own accord

[carmine dawn]

Yeah that’s last tier playstyle

[storm onyx]

he has 1 flg use more than you

[shell kettle]

That he did

Figured he probably cloaks the los that coincides with the 2nd flag

Didnt check the fact tho

[kindred rapids]

You mean you aren't obsessively checking pins each patch

[carmine dawn]

Theres some good assa cloak timings I think whispyr and cev might know more

[kindred rapids]

Inconceivable

[oak sky]

You cant cloak the mc can you??

[shell kettle]

precloak ye

[oak sky]

Didnt think you could

[shell kettle]

You can

not the runes tho

[kindred rapids]

Cloak the bad torment overlap

[oak sky]

I havent had a flag line up there tho

[kindred rapids]

Only dangerous part of p2

[storm onyx]

his bleed tic, poison hit, envenom all higher; how much crit difference you 2 have?

[shell kettle]

I cant cloak the los with the 2nd flag if I wanna cloak that overlap

[oak sky]

Bro 2nd flag/vendetta is over before the los

Or wait

[shell kettle]

I've never managed that

[oak sky]

If you cd on pull its like always over

[shell kettle]

Flag always comes up right about the time you have to los

I dont get 30 stacks consistently tho, its usually 28 or 29 on pull

[hollow escarp]

isn't 2nd flag around a blood soak?

[oak sky]

Yes

The one where the pillars are up

[hollow escarp]

I haven't checked timers because I'm on auto pilot

[oak sky]

And then you finish your vendetta flag with the overhang

And then you move to los

I think

[hollow escarp]

yeah, it feels good when you get all bleeds up before going los

[shell kettle]

Theres not enough time for that as it is

[hollow escarp]

depends on timing

and if you have rune

[shell kettle]

Wait I can just pull some footage

[kindred rapids]

Yeah 2nd los is like 1:45

You position for soak there anyways

[shell kettle]

https://app.squadov.gg/share/ComputablyCnemicJanella 1:10

Vendetta comes back as flag has 25 seconds to go

So I should just hold on to it for 25 seconds?

[kindred rapids]

You sure your unity isn't bugged lmao

[shell kettle]

Not actually sure xd

[ebon notch]

your flag couldve gotten parried

or you couldve just not gotten enough stacks

or your unity is bugged

[shell kettle]

I mean its the pull one that came before this right, I had 28 stacks and when the whole thing was all said and done it had a cd of 65 seconds to go

Surely some wizkid here can work out if that amounts to a bugged unity

[oak sky]

Thats bugged

[shell kettle]

People have weakauras for this right? I should probably get that

[oak sky]

Psure it doesnt work anymore

[spice spire]

It doesn’t

It got stealthed

[shell kettle]

xd

Imagine fixing the bug instead of fixing the way to find the bug

[ebon notch]

not intentionally

they fucked how auras work

[spice spire]

Yeah ik

But it did

[shell kettle]

😂

Well, the more you know I guess. For fucks sake lmao

I dont think I had a single pull not bugged then tbh

How do you un-bug a unity again?

Had to relog and change some gear or something

[oak sky]

I usually just unequip re equip

Sometimes relog

Idk

[spice spire]

Fuck

[kindred rapids]

If you're following the syncing logic it should be pretty obvious when it's bugged

[wild lion]

Need help with Logs: How can i see dmg done on shield at jailer (Rune of Compulsion)

[kindred rapids]

Make a pin

You can make queries like damage done while shield is active

[shell kettle]

Yeah had I known what I was looking for that would have been the case

Either way now that I do, it won't be a problem again

[kindred rapids]

And I thought it was bad that I didn't realize we weren't syncing shiv until like 2 weeks ago.

[oak sky]

That one isnt even pinned

[shell kettle]

😅

I'll just look at it from the flipside of that im going to do a lot more damage going forward

[kindred rapids]

True, that plus fixing unity they'll think you're different player 😂

[shell kettle]

Lmao more like the opposite tbh, they'll know its me because something like this would only happen to me

Good thing is that we can all laugh about it

[ebon notch]

absorbedDamage > 0

[thorn fjord]

I'll bet money they dont fix that Unity bug

Hunter auto attack bug still hasnt been fixed and its annoying as hell

[wild lion]

thanks, but why cant i add target.name != "The Jailer" :/

[ebon notch]

did you want to check p4 shield damage or smth

[oak sky]

!= is not jailer

So thqt would check only mced targets

Right

?

[ebon notch]

yeah im guessing thats what he wants to check

[wild lion]

i want to check dmg on run shield in p2 because in our progress we have problems with people jumping down, but even with != Jailer you still get jailer as target

[ebon notch]

you coudl click "enemies"

[wild lion]

i mean the try is over when he get a shield because of failed bloodsoak but would be nice to see who is not targeting the shields

okay its working now. 'absorbedDamage > 0 and target.name != "The Jailer"' but had to reload. thanks everyone

[ebon notch]

👍

[split grail]

Is Necro still the way to go for pantheon?

[oak sky]

Yeah

[split grail]

And Zoldyks for leggo, right?

[oak sky]

Dusk is fine zold is pretty much fine

[split grail]

And I hate to be annoying, but taletn setup?

[oak sky]

Ep subt deeper ct

[split grail]

ty

[oak sky]

Play necro heirmir soulbind with lethal poisons and marrowed gemstone

[split grail]

ty again

[mortal pike]

why is assa so dang good on jailer

[echo geyser]

maybe cause it benefits the most from the stat buffs

or it just has best cd timers

[mortal pike]

Yea makes sense, pretty front loaded so as long as you get a clean vendetta window can jerk off for the rest of the 40 seconds between

[echo geyser]

neither sub nor outlaw likes mastery, while sin likes everything kinda, but its mostly a guess

[mortal pike]

How do the buffs work exactly?

[echo geyser]

range usually triggers it, then u can make a chain of people to get it for whole raid etc

[spice spire]

Sin does like everything a lil bit

That’s correct

[echo geyser]

its a dmg buff on top of giving stats

[spice spire]

And so far, timers have been pretty kind ngl

Yeah

We take that

[mortal pike]

HMMM

[balmy condor]

@drifting cloud boss is not dying

help

but yeah the timings are great

big cds

[spice spire]

Have you tried killing it

[drifting cloud]

🧑‍🌾 keep grinding

[balmy condor]

my brother in christ

[spice spire]

Yes brother?

[balmy condor]

does it look like I'm not trying to kill

[spice spire]

I see grey

[mortal pike]

[balmy condor]

wipe parses

no adds yet

[mortal pike]

I too am wiping on jailer

swapping between outlaw and sin every pull

[spice spire]

What’s furthest phase tho?

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

we killed it in 235 I dont think youre gonna beat us

[spice spire]

[drifting cloud]

👼

[spice spire]

Whíspyr on that blason typea beat

[bleak sky]

don't you wish to die as well?

I do

[balmy condor]

we might see a clean p2 in 235 if we're lucky

[drifting cloud]

just pray for nerfs next week would be pretty nice timing for you

with where youre at

[spice spire]

P4 cheese still exists doesn’t it?

[drifting cloud]

nah it just starts at 15% now and you lust it

its 100s phase

[spice spire]

Ahhhh

[drifting cloud]

you dont need alot of tries in p4

maybe like 10 where you live threw first soak

[spice spire]

Yeah getting to p4 will be a bitch for some

[drifting cloud]

oh yeah p3 is the hardest by far

[bleak sky]

get to p4 once

40 more pulls

get to p4 again

[balmy condor]

https://clips.twitch.tv/UnsightlyDeadRingFrankerZ-_1hpNwvpKhzicobw

[bleak sky]

can't wait for it

[balmy condor]

also what is this

[bleak sky]

[drifting cloud]

nah its super consistent tbh 😛

you dont accidentaly get to p4, you have to master p3 first

[bleak sky]

well yeah sure the fight is scripted

but you know how prog is

[drifting cloud]

yeah but at that point you just call early wipes to save time

if 2 people die before 3min or some shit

[echo geyser]

is asa spades in ur guild?

[spice spire]

Yes

[echo geyser]

nice

[balmy condor]

I taught him everything he knows, that's my boy

[echo geyser]

[bleak sky]

good tank

good boi

[drifting cloud]

did you recraft unity yet whispyr

[spice spire]

Mister snow a troll tho

[balmy condor]

so I can watch ranged die but with less money? no I haven't

[spice spire]

Based

[hollow river]

chat was scrolled up

[drifting cloud]

@oak sky whispyr is now at the point I was telling you about yesterday (or was it 2 days ago)

[oak sky]

[hollow river]

wtf is this lol

[bleak sky]

@lucid birch

[spice spire]

@lucid birch u troll

Ily

[balmy condor]

the game laughing at us chain wiping to p1 for 250 pulls

[lucid birch]

if only i was in that clip bro

[spice spire]

You’d have laughed harder at them

[ebon notch]

@drifting cloud did you rekill this week

[drifting cloud]

were on break

23rd next raid

[ebon notch]

I forget how degen our schedule is

[balmy condor]

no shot you forget that

it's like the one fact I know about you

[ebon notch]

Ur mean

[balmy condor]

it's true

[ebon notch]

Is it cause I insulted your hair

[balmy condor]

no it's cause this boss won't die

[ebon notch]

Are you going to beat my pull count

[drifting cloud]

there must be that random wr300 guild that raids 4days with probably some demon number of wipes on it

[ebon notch]

Me_irl

[prisma carbon]

Why are most people still playing sub on jailer if sin damage is so much better?

Is it just the 2 charges of SS?

[bleak sky]

comfort? they like sub? they don't like sin or outlaw?

they are pretty much all the same

choose the one you like the most and roll with it

[drifting cloud]

its not insane difference yeah logs is also low sample size for assa

[lucid birch]

yeah anvil

[drifting cloud]

anvil wishes they were wr300

[lucid birch]

[ebon notch]

They're too bad to play without double step

Absolute crutch

Should be baseline

Is there even a reason why assa doesn't have double step

[balmy condor]

combat sub and assassination all had 1 step

then in legion sub had a thing that gave them fall damage immunity and shadowstep thingy I think

and they decided that sub should keep it baseline

[ebon notch]

So no reason pog

If assa had double step it would be such a better progress spec as well

Maybe they make it a class talent in DF

[balmy condor]

as opposed to the good prog spec it is right now?

[ebon notch]

I didn't mention where it was rn

Just that it'd be better

[balmy condor]

yeah but like why does it need to be better

[ebon notch]

Why not

[balmy condor]

because it's already good

[prisma carbon]

it usually the best prog spec as it is lol

[balmy condor]

am I speaking german

I don't understand

[ebon notch]

Not like it increases our damage or anything

More QoL no?

[balmy condor]

yeah but why

why does it need that

[drifting cloud]

ok remove 1 from sub

only fair!

[ebon notch]

Idk why it would

I'd just like it

I'm not putting forward an official request

[balmy condor]

I think mage alter time cooldown should be 10 seconds

[bleak sky]

@ebon notch feel like adopting me in nocco? thanks

[balmy condor]

more QoL no?

[bleak sky]

make the raid team more multicultural

[ebon notch]

Arent you brazil

[bleak sky]

i can be an ambassador for nocco in here

big bucks in the energy drink market yknow

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-brazil-gif-22561984

[ebon notch]

[balmy condor]

minalba still recovering from the 7-1

[bleak sky]

it's probably the same ping as NA anyway

[balmy condor]

emotional damage to last a generation

[bleak sky]

soccer

L sport

[ebon notch]

Don't give him flashbacks

[balmy condor]

he's not brazilian

it's a lie

[bleak sky]

yes

am secretly yerman

[balmy condor]

also wrong

if you were yerman you would also like soccer

[ebon notch]

Lmao

Maybe you are speaking German whisp

Also I got to hear cev speak for the first time today

Was very interesting

[balmy condor]

cause he sounds finnish?

[ebon notch]

Yes

[balmy condor]

cool

[ebon notch]

Meanwhile @burnt latch sounds English Welsh and Irish rolled into one

While also being Finnish

[lucid birch]

love brazil

[spice spire]

Ur goofin

[bleak sky]

i need to fake it

don't ask how my family got to south america though

secret

[lucid birch]

beneath the floorboards

[ebon notch]

@bleak sky how is prog

[bleak sky]

i want to keep myself safe

2 more pulls and raid night is over

[balmy condor]

me too

we saw p3

very cool

[lucid birch]

(keep yourself safe)

[balmy condor]

(people have no clue what the fuck is going on)

[ebon notch]

Deep breaths

[bleak sky]

we just saw p3 with 19 alive

me being the one dead because game decided to clip me into the wall when jumping into the hole

[balmy condor]

did you insta wipe

[bleak sky]

[balmy condor]

to the first tank smahs

[bleak sky]

nah

[balmy condor]

oh

[bleak sky]

lost like 6

[balmy condor]

that's what we do when we get to p3

it's super fun

[bleak sky]

then we wiped

[drifting cloud]

tank smash? the azeroth hit?

[ebon notch]

Set world market for melee and ranged stack

[balmy condor]

the knockback loses half the raid and then no one is in position

[ebon notch]

Knockback he means

[balmy condor]

and then azeroth dies

[bleak sky]

we have those

[drifting cloud]

oh the blue swirly

[ebon notch]

Ye

[balmy condor]

thanks for the super pro strat king very hidden tech will keep in mind

can you also give me some hidden tech for my ranged dps to open their fucking EYE BALLS AND MOVE TO THE MARKER

the big circles on the ground for the rock collapses gives my raid instant double cataracts man it's fucking unreal

[drifting cloud]

@balmy condor if u want I can ask my gm If im allowed to share some video commentary he made

[bleak sky]

i'm so fuckin tilted

walked into a hole in p2

[strange python]

Don't you know ranged DPS is hard and melee is easy

[gusty mirage]

Did you get the one where you clip inside the pillar?

[bleak sky]

yep

[gusty mirage]

Very cool stuff

[bleak sky]

jump at the same time i always do

pillar eats me

[gusty mirage]

Yep lmao

Get stuck in pillar then fall through for no reason

[amber fossil]

Do logs show who was knocking people back with white circles in the Ryg fight?

I am looking but dont see it

[tired falcon]

Replay prob shows

[gusty mirage]

yeah find the instances of when people said they got booped, then just look at it in the replay

[amber fossil]

yup, found the replay and it it very helpful

ty

[fathom flax]

Hello friends I am bad and need your help

How can I import ceverions weakauras into the naowh pack without having to redo the whole thing

[hollow escarp]

after importing the auras, drag them in naowh's pack and then copy the formatting settings to cev's ones

[fathom flax]

Okay thank you

Wish me luck

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/x1LVa3KCQMpBqF4Y#fight=15

Also here is a totally cherry picked wipe log that I did alright on, if anyone had any tips or advice it would be appreciated

Having to relearn snapshotting ass during mythic jailer is fun

[burnt latch]

What the fuck is this

!ban Dapsman

Slandering my good name

[ebon notch]

@burnt latch I wanna do some bigger keys with my shiny new gear

You wanna play a bit today

[burnt latch]

double rogue?

[ebon notch]

I don't know how easily we will be able to form a group

May be a runecieft angle

[burnt latch]

idk think double rogue is better than fdk

depends on what level key mby

but ye lmk im down to play

[ebon notch]

On fort frost dk stonks big

[hollow escarp]

pretty sure fdk > 2 rogues

[burnt latch]

thats a /doubt

[hollow escarp]

muffin

[ebon notch]

Do I just stay awake or what

I've slept maybe 4 hours

[hollow escarp]

try and stay awake 10 more hours to fix schedule

[burnt latch]

absolute degens

im an ethical working man and already finished work

[empty hinge]

Ayo wana swap jobs I have 7 hours more

I swear it’s a lot of fun :_)

[burnt latch]

haha sales work has its benefits from time to time 🙂

[ebon notch]

@burnt latch did you see my new outlaw sim

[burnt latch]

nah

[ebon notch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/adynLaHUeSdiCzUd94qDKX

[burnt latch]

oh shit

[ebon notch]

Higher than my nadjia assa sim

[burnt latch]

u better slap me in keys

[hollow escarp]

all you need is 285 main hand

[ebon notch]

Check again

[hollow escarp]

check what? it's the same link

[ebon notch]

There's a 285 main hand there tho

[hollow escarp]

ahh

that's what I meant

all you need is 285 main hand to beat nadjia assa

I won't even bother simming with my 272 bloodspiller

also I can imagine grapple is not reliable on jailer

[burnt latch]

i got traded 278 dausegne mace last night in raid

but i was a good boy and gave it to @limber lion

[ebon notch]

Do you have outlaw weapon already

[burnt latch]

i have the fist weapon from tazavesh

278

not the best not the worst

[ebon notch]

Serviceable

I was using VG weapon

I hate having to use weighstones

[burnt latch]

ye fuck that

we need to send double rogue keys tho i wanna see u blast with that gear

droolin over jailer mace

[ebon notch]

Smh don't drool on me

[burnt latch]

sry its my genetics cant help it

[burnt latch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2JkFgLxCWVh3DbPwSpaNU8

[midnight mist]

something is wrong in ur sim brother

[burnt latch]

oh for fucks sake

i ran that for 30 minutes

smh

lets try again

[burnt latch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jFezQKhDGRMkdT9Vz1jFHG Get rekt nerd

imagine needing a 285 weapon

[limber lion]

A solid 26 ilvl upgrade, not bad

[burnt latch]

decent value

did u sim the dps increase

id imagine its close to 1k

[subtle tundra]

wow

offtopic is now outlaw

[burnt latch]

we are here to break boundaries between spec channels

one big family

[subtle tundra]

i mean... last night i did get a rank 2 outlaw parse

so what can i say

im pretty good

[burnt latch]

yeah every time when ppl ask me how do i get better at the game i say i try and achieve what varas does

goated

[subtle tundra]

literally best player ever

nobody can get even close

[burnt latch]

after the god of rogues musclebrah ofc

garret garret garret

[subtle tundra]

ofc, but im not comparing myself to him

it would be an insult

[burnt latch]

yeah we're all mere mortals next to him

[trail orchid]

i really dont understand this spec, im coming from feral and was always performing really well.thought assa might be similar but im just not perfoming well enough. maybe someone can check a log of me progressing halo mythic? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BgbGhxMJHVA4jf8Z/#fight=9&type=damage-done&source=10

i must miss some key aspects i would assume

[ebon notch]

Why you outsim me

@echo geyser why my gear doodoo

[burnt latch]

its just skill diff tbh

u need more sockets

[subtle tundra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3FSpEMWCZMtBjUEHcYbQhW
my outlaw gear doo doo

[ebon notch]

Yeah but weapon ilvl diff really that weak?

[burnt latch]

weapon is like 150 vs normal 278s

150 dps

[limber lion]

I think it was around 700

not bad at all

[burnt latch]

not too shabby

[limber lion]

Sim around 16k flat as Outlaw

[burnt latch]

yeah thats pretty decent

[limber lion]

oh nevermind, I think I scuffed it

are you simming average tea or specific tea

[ebon notch]

vers

[limber lion]

yeh

16005

[gusty mirage]

You’re a 16005

[ebon notch]

outta 16006

😉

[gusty mirage]

Out of 1

He’s 16000%

[limber lion]

Oh yeah? Well, you're a ∞

∞%

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

we don't talk about the laying eight 🕵️

[gusty mirage]

I think I need to go back to sleep or drink more coffee

Because I read that as “the laying egg”

[alpine latch]

Sleep is always the answer

[gusty mirage]

[alpine latch]

I think we're doing some heroic re-clears while I recruit for Mythic, so I'm probably coming back to play Sin

yay

[violet jackal]

what days and times?

[alpine latch]

Tues/Thurs 8-10pm CST

We finally got Jailer last night after way too fucking many pulls

And we only had to lose like 8 people to do it

After Anduin we replaced both of our tanks and kicked like 4 DPS

[violet jackal]

I am currently raid leading that exact prison

[alpine latch]

And our two biggest problems weren't there last night

[violet jackal]

I just wanna reclear already and blast

[alpine latch]

How the fuck do you not understand the knockback 107 pulls in?

Jailer triggered me harder than probably any other boss

[spice spire]

Did you all get walled at merging with endless?

[compact carbon]

!snapshot

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Flagellation, Euphoria), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[trail orchid]

do any of you macro skills together for pull?

[violet jackal]

Not I said the panda

[agile parrot]

at 2 target fan of knives as more value?

or at how much targets it gains value?

[hollow escarp]

3+

[spice spire]

Yeah, at 3 targets we fok.
It used to be 4, but that huge 30% buff dropped a target before it became better

[agile parrot]

thanks

[agile parrot]

😐 ahaah

[alpine latch]

Yeah, it wasn't fun.

One tank had to go. She was a problem

But the second was just way too slow to adjust and after 100 pulls a change had to be made

Might have lost someone who's been in the community since MoP, but it was for the best

We got him his AotC and now he's taking a break to figure out if he's staying with us or just leaving

[agile parrot]

both are understandable, just feels like pulls get wasted sadly

[alpine latch]

I counted up one of our guys

He was there for 117 pulls and got mind controlled 43 times

He wasn't there this week ...

[agile parrot]

sometimes you have to do, what you have to, and one thing is raid other is friends outside of it, pushing raid is more like work, fun but work

[agile parrot]

shit xd

thanks god i barely raided this tier in way i dont like the raid

[alpine latch]

Part of the downside of us being relatively accepting is that we also let shit happen for way too long

[agile parrot]

i just miss castle 😐

[alpine latch]

I'm not allowed to yell at people

But when the officers are annoyed they literally say, "Okay guys we've been on this way too long so if things need to change I'm telling Palmer to yell at you"

[agile parrot]

sometimes can be good, if yelled at a respect way? makes sense?

[alpine latch]

Evidently I hurt people's feelings on Mythic Maut when I told them to stop dying to "LFR fucking mechanics"

[agile parrot]

one or 2 guys can't hold 20

[echo geyser]

You should see ppl with 278 pox almost equal to 285 jailer

[alpine latch]

No real different than Mythic Sylv OH dagger being better than almost everything also

Weapon procs make item levels a bit fucky, as the procs themselves are typically worth quite a bit