assassination

[echo geyser]

and bombs

[ebon notch]

ye it happened on heroic

you basically have to memorise where they are

and move

[echo geyser]

good game

[ebon notch]

im in a call already

:3

[bleak sky]

yes, with me

get fucked @burnt latch

[limber lion]

You still sim less than me

[burnt latch]

jokes on you

i like getting fucked

[ebon notch]

add the ring to my sim

[limber lion]

?

Do you have it?

Didn't think so

[ebon notch]

FUCK

im ont gonna type that

cba

[limber lion]

Add a ryg dagger to my sim then

[ebon notch]

how bout i clap ur cheeks

[shell kettle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/967679427301507082/vendetta_timings.png

Image leads to believe that you need a 30 sec pulltimer to do this in order to open with rupture into ct, is there any decent alternative that doesn't require this?

[hollow river]

it's simply leaving out the mutilates at first

as far as i can tell

[shell kettle]

Actually im just looking at a logs casting timelines, seems you're right

[hollow river]

mut->slice n dice->mut to 4-5->flag->rupture

[shell kettle]

Ye gotcha thx

[ebon notch]

we didnt fucking

refresh 6 stack

ah well

[hollow river]

[vale shore]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

Yeah it just cuts out the mut snd mut gar to start like tricks said

[shell kettle]

I dont think you guys should do that tbh, its not immediately obvious

[worn sorrel]

Are you from sanguino?

[shell kettle]

absolutely not

[bleak sky]

how so

[worn sorrel]

So why does your name look familiar to me lol

[shell kettle]

You're asking me that?

[worn sorrel]

Yes

[bleak sky]

your "opener" is not the same as your cooldown usage

don't see how that would be an issue

in fact I think you're the first person to complain about it

[shell kettle]

It literally says opening

[bleak sky]

opening with all cooldowns

[shell kettle]

And it wasnt obvious that you have to mut first

[bleak sky]

nvm I don't think this is worth typing

ot is more fun

[shell kettle]

Im just saying that if its not obvious to me as a veteran player then I think its a bit dense to expect new players to be able to understand this

[bleak sky]

you're the first to complain so idk

[shell kettle]

Nothing more, nothing less

[ebon notch]

with the amount of time you spend trolling me

idk if your judgement of time waste is respectable

[bleak sky]

you're worth my time king

always

[ebon notch]

:3

@bleak sky

check this p4 dps

[bleak sky]

juicer

[drifting cloud]

I win

[ebon notch]

didnt refresh 6 stack

[drifting cloud]

so it was 3 or did it all expire?

phased before you got to the blood I assume?

[ebon notch]

we got 3 stack

instead of refreshing

purely because people couldnt play clean

[drifting cloud]

makes sense you really dont wanna risk it there for people to die

[ebon notch]

nah

we can 100% do it

completely safely

people are just apes

[drifting cloud]

hmm its alot of raid dmg, youd have to use some raid cds on it?

[ebon notch]

if you're all topped

you dont need a cd

just need throughput cause you have to do chains after

you have ~8 seconds to clear 2 chains

after taking the tick

[drifting cloud]

hey I had 3 stack aswell, so seems fair!

[ebon notch]

true!

[drifting cloud]

285 dagger havers smh

p4 is so chill as rogue, precloak torment, and if you dont get a bomb youre just hitting a dummy for 90s

@balmy condor what are you typing

[ebon notch]

you can pre cloak it?

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[balmy condor]

Yeah idk I’ve only had 2-3 people bring this up and I think if you just look at it and think about it, it’s not too hard to figure out that the cp for the rupture after the flag have to come from somewhere, and the MFD right after clearly means it’s not a prepull. The issue is, if I put the mut snd mut gar at the start then it’s only usable as a straight opener and not a combo to do every minute because “why would I snd before every flag?”

So really I’m kinda fucked no matter what I do unless I go and make it way more convoluted to try and explain the variations of on pull, not on pull, what if the mut gar leaves you on 3cp, and making those distinctions is just simply not worth the time trying to map out into a one-liner screenshot like that

Infographics will always have downsides

It’s just how it is

[shell kettle]

Thats not unfair

[ebon notch]

you could put like "standard pre flag opener" or smth on top but its a bit pedantic

and put mut snd mut w.e

[bleak sky]

it kinda is because you need to have combo points for flag

[shell kettle]

But I suppose it could have been added as a little paragraph under it or something. I don't envy you though, I just thought I'd give my feedback as an onlooker because I know how things that may seem obvious to the creator may not be so obvious to the beholder

[balmy condor]

Yeah and the feedback is welcome, I always try to make my guides as clear as possible

But when you got like 25,000 pairs of eyes on it, it’s hard to guarantee the clarity for all 25,000

Just something I have to come to terms with

Always an endless balancing act between too over-explained and not enough explanation

[shell kettle]

[ebon notch]

@bleak sky log review me please

kayl did a stupid amount of damage

and i need to know how

[bleak sky]

you pressed buttons bad

that'll be 50 dollars

thanks

[subtle tundra]

i dont know how to read logs, i'd help you

[ebon notch]

[drifting cloud]

sir this is the rogue discord

[ebon notch]

@bleak sky nvm

he got a 6 stack in p1

[bleak sky]

kayl scamming you

[balmy condor]

@drowsy parcel good work scamming

[ebon notch]

ur toxic

one day i wont be here anymore

and you'll be sorry

😠

[balmy condor]

We call it "happy" on this side of the pond, weird english dialect thing maybe

[ebon notch]

[drowsy parcel]

what did i do

[balmy condor]

you tilted daps

apparently

[drowsy parcel]

whats a 6 stack? i genuinely cant figure it out

am i rarted

[ebon notch]

the blood soaks

[drowsy parcel]

oh yeah

[shell kettle]

Wait how do you get 6 stacks out of that

[ebon notch]

this is yours @drowsy parcel

this is ours

[echo geyser]

daps are u gonna get big juice with new dagger now?

[ebon notch]

idk

doesnt make me good at the game

[echo geyser]

u living outlaw dream instead maybe

[drowsy parcel]

that last 6 stack is with lust+pot+sigil

giga

[ebon notch]

tru

[kindred rapids]

Did you sigil both?

[ebon notch]

wdym

[oak sky]

both 6 stacks i assume

[ebon notch]

if you guarantee the 6 stack that kayl has

i would sigil on the cd there

and then the second one

otherwise on pull

[kindred rapids]

Yeah you can sigil and pot both if you hold for it

Was asking if Kayl did that

[drowsy parcel]

i used it on pull

[glass tulip]

What does 6 stack refer to : 🤔

[drifting cloud]

dmg buff from blood of azeroth

[glass tulip]

[oak sky]

Jailer is such a failure we've all been watching people fight him for like 3 months and nobody knows what he does still

[balmy condor]

doesn't help that 90% of people's first experience with jailer was in mythic

I know so many people that just did not kill him on heroic

[oak sky]

Yeah we did some heroic runs and a few jailer kills for our dks and warriors

[glass tulip]

So give me the over under

Will I have an easier time in P1&2

Having killed him over 100 times already on heroic

[ebon notch]

no

you will struggle hard in mythic

and then once you learn it

you will struggle like fuck in heroic

[glass tulip]

Sad.

[ebon notch]

yeah

its really cancer

[glass tulip]

What was the hardest part for you to learn

[hollow river]

rygelon dies tuesday

[ebon notch]

idk its not rly that hard

[glass tulip]

Ah fuck wait, mc lines are in P1 aren't they

[ebon notch]

yeah

like

you do the same thing every pull basically

its just a positioning fight

position perfectly and you wont have any problems

[hollow river]

the 6 stacks are from the thing everyone soaks in a line ye?

[ebon notch]

yes

there are multiple soak points

and you can go from one to the next early

[glass tulip]

I mean yeah I have my heroic shit down to a system, I am imagining I will have a much easier time re-learning a new pattern than like a warlock who is running circles around the map trying to soak bloods and place gates

[ebon notch]

and get 6 stacks instead of 3

[ebon notch]

its just

idk

i have like 500 pulls on that boss

i went into heroic on my warrior

and i was actually terrified

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

jailer dies before I go on vacation

or else it's cringe

[ebon notch]

calling that swag chad the jailer cringe

just who do you think you are

[balmy condor]

if boss is not dead by the 18th of july

I will have to raid from germany on a laptop

2am-6am

[ebon notch]

sounds pog

[balmy condor]

do not want

[ebon notch]

just wait till you see german internet

🙂

[balmy condor]

buddy I live at my grandmothers when I'm in germany

[ebon notch]

i bet she got that fibre optic shit

1 gig up and down

[glass tulip]

Your German grandmother has the internet?

[balmy condor]

she has a PC with windows 98 on it and it has not been used in 20 years

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

we yoink the internet from our neighbor by setting up a chain of repeaters

[ebon notch]

lmao

thats going to be top tier content

[balmy condor]

I mean

it's not going to be content

because I'm not making content

[ebon notch]

some people make content

[balmy condor]

and also the boss dies

so

[ebon notch]

and some people have content thrust upon them

[hollow river]

as long as we get CE

[balmy condor]

none of that will matter

[hollow river]

idc what happens

[balmy condor]

because boss dead

[hollow river]

[ebon notch]

[balmy condor]

entire situation is completely hypothetical

[ebon notch]

you should try streaming as well

while using daisy chained repeaters to 10kb/s internet

[balmy condor]

we do 30 pulls a night, 3 nights a week, and we have 15 nights left

150 pulls in atm

even if we only do 10 pulls a night

that's another 150 pulls

if we do 20 pulls, that's 300 pulls

NO SHOT it doesn't die in 300-400 pulls bro

[glass tulip]

Only 5 weeks confirmed?

[balmy condor]

I mean I know when my flight is

so

[glass tulip]

Oh

Right

[balmy condor]

imagine an 11 hour flight, 3 hour train ride, 9 hour jet lag

and you stay up till 6am raiding

[glass tulip]

poor jannick

[balmy condor]

I land tuesday afternoon in germany so it's legit like get to house, eat dinner, shower, and it's basically midnight

and then I can log in to open box

[hollow river]

blason about to kill rygelon

[glass tulip]

Bro that guild is a 6-7 raid day guild pretending to be 3 days like the worlds fattest man stuffed into a size medium trenchcoat bursting at the seams

[balmy condor]

idk how they still have a raid team

[glass tulip]

Which like, props... But at least label yourself correctly

[balmy condor]

like they're the laughing stock of all of NA

how do they recruit people

with that environment

[hollow river]

their tank/melee soak wa works

[balmy condor]

I don't understand

[hollow river]

[glass tulip]

They just brute force the raid bosses

[soft shale]

hey our bois from imperative still truck around

and they like to 400 tap bosses

[glass tulip]

Imperative is bleeding raiders

[soft shale]

who could have though

[balmy condor]

hows elusive doing these days

[glass tulip]

I have seen several in the recruit disc in the past several days

[balmy condor]

after elusive raided 12 days in a row and then still missed HoF and threw their little temper tantrum

idk if that caused an exodus

[oak sky]

Oh yeah imperative had some trouble this tier right

[hollow river]

they almost died afaik

[glass tulip]

Are imperative and soniqs imperative the same thing

[oak sky]

Yeah

[glass tulip]

Like a AAA baseball team

[oak sky]

Soniqs is a sponsor i think

[glass tulip]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guild/us/area-52/imperative

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUCH

[hollow river]

wait that's a different log page isn't it?

[balmy condor]

died to anduin

[hollow river]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guild/us/illidan/soniqs imperative

[balmy condor]

wait yeah

they're not on a52

[glass tulip]

That's why I asked this question:

[hollow river]

soniqs is still going

idk soniqs also goes by imperative kinda

their website and twitter are just imperative

[balmy condor]

these some whack fucking hours bro

[glass tulip]

Isn't that just farm

And they full time day raid prog

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

where is grom raiding now

[glass tulip]

Yep, one of my friends got traded to soniqs

[ebon notch]

wait

[glass tulip]

It was a direct healer trade, hpal for automaticjak

[ebon notch]

they gave up on LORDS?

bruh

[glass tulip]

So did pillars on area 52

[hollow river]

2 diff guilds

if you mean imperative

[ebon notch]

yeah imperative

[glass tulip]

Lords is hard wdym

[hollow river]

imperative killed lords 3 days ago

soniqs imperative is W38

[ebon notch]

diff imperative right

[hollow river]

ya

[glass tulip]

Yes, soniqs imperative is on illidan

[ebon notch]

ye i know soniqs

i meant this imperative

[hollow river]

oh nvm

they havent killed lords

they started on it 3 days ago

[glass tulip]

They are deadge

[hollow river]

oof

[glass tulip]

According to guild descrip

[hollow river]

yea

blason is wiping back to back rn

[balmy condor]

what a surprise

[hollow river]

[ebon notch]

link blason stream

who are they

no idea

[glass tulip]

Anvil gaming RL

My greatest rival

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guild/us/tichondrius/anvil gaming

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

they're ahead of us

[glass tulip]

They have raided over double our hours

Lol

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

well I guess 250 region is like 200 US right

[hollow river]

hyper copium

[balmy condor]

top 100 US Horde two day 3 hour guild

[ebon notch]

its this fucking

donkey

jesus

[glass tulip]

This is literally their 5th raid day this week

[ebon notch]

how many days do they raid

[balmy condor]

just like I'm the top NA rogue named jannick

[hollow river]

2-5 or some shit

[glass tulip]

They claim to be a 3-4 day guild but they raid 5-6 days per week whenever their raiders are online

So much OT

[ebon notch]

god

im glad i never overtimed

that much

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

phew

[hollow river]

[ebon notch]

i thought those were nocco logs

[glass tulip]

We are 3 day no OT, brand new guild as of April 1st

[balmy condor]

I mean to be fair, may looks pretty ethical

[glass tulip]

June 1st log btw

[balmy condor]

yeah the last row is june

but may

looks not bad

[glass tulip]

Look at the title I mean

[balmy condor]

oh

well

[glass tulip]

He had over 600 viewers that day cheering them on

[balmy condor]

"cheering"

yes

of course

[glass tulip]

Watching the collapse

[hollow river]

[ebon notch]

kirbyau vibes

[balmy condor]

name one person that will unironically say they support anvil gaming

[ebon notch]

i found one

[hollow river]

skipn0z

^^^

[drifting cloud]

Is kirby on jailer yet

[ebon notch]

this guy

[balmy condor]

[glass tulip]

What about Kirby?

He's on our realm too

Yes they are on jailer

[balmy condor]

KIRBY POG

[drifting cloud]

400 to go

[balmy condor]

bro 100 pulls on lords

[drifting cloud]

Atleast thats fast

[hollow river]

blason killed it

[ebon notch]

BRO

this guy is going

to literally die

???

159 bpm?

[hollow river]

i think he topped at 163

[ebon notch]

@humble ginkgo how did you get vip in that channel

[hollow river]

lmfao

[ebon notch]

bro

"that was the hardest fight ive ever had to tank and raid lead"

bro he just

isnt ready for jailer

[hollow river]

[ebon notch]

like

they will disband

on jailer

[humble ginkgo]

I am a pillar of the world of warcraft community

This is the first time I get pinged in assa chat

never again

[ebon notch]

why

you can come hang out with us here

also he just isnt ready for jailer is he

he gon die on that boss

[humble ginkgo]

900 pulls

[ebon notch]

110 resting heart rate

is this a peak form american?

are these american beats per minute?

[oak sky]

@humble ginkgo 2nd ping

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[timid cloud]

I hated being in NexusSx

Got the stories for that one.

[gusty mirage]

did you enjoy raiding overtime constantly to be in a mid-tier CE guild?

[timid cloud]

It was actually no overtime back then.

I’ll keep it TLDR.

[gusty mirage]

oof

sepulcher changed em

[timid cloud]

1: Mandatory WA pack Kirby made himself, get it or lobbed / benched.
2: Constant sandbagging on Azshara after fluke kill first kill (I joined after) so they nearly never rekilled.
3: Wiping in BOD sales on the vault money boss, Opulence, “Get in Discord it is mandatory” when it was the easiest fight possible THAT deep into EP because none of them did damage.
4: Creepy “Forever home” cult mentality.

[gusty mirage]

you've seen some shit eh

[timid cloud]

I edited it that second one.

So many clips of them, the Sylvanas ones were funny, anyone else got the record amount of pulls for a boss?

My guild was progging PAINSMITH when they were on Sylv, we made it all the way to Sylvanas & killed it before they did.

[gusty mirage]

https://progstats.io/tier/28-sanctum-of-domination#Sylvanas-Windrunner

[timid cloud]

Yeah…

[ebon notch]

The weakaura clips are so good

They benched a guy on 2 different bosses cause he didn't have their weakaura pack

[spice spire]

Nexus sx veterans

The true rwf nexussx vs anvil gaming

[ebon notch]

They should host a LAN event together

Kirby and blason shouting trying to be heard over one another

[spice spire]

Guild merge

Based

[burnt latch]

would u be my LAN gf?

[ebon notch]

wanna coem for weeklies

[burnt latch]

uWu sure

[hollow river]

I almost applied to them

[spice spire]

Down cataclysmic brother?

[hollow river]

It’s like almost any guild around this level, someone has something bad to say about them

[spice spire]

Well I mean nexus is a special case

[hollow river]

Well they were similar US rank to my last guild

[spice spire]

Nexus is up there with anvil type wack guilds

[hollow river]

I had only watched them prog a little bit in sanctum/sepulcher so I didn’t know

[spice spire]

Did you watch sod prog

[hollow river]

The Kirby guy seemed nice enough on stream

[hollow river]

Barely any

[spice spire]

@urban thistle is a known nexus and anvil connoisseur.

Some weird moments

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Glad ur with the homie tho.
Seems like a good match

[hollow river]

You mean mav?

[spice spire]

Yes man

[hollow river]

Yeah I like em so far

Decent raid atmosphere etc

[spice spire]

That’s what matters.
That and prog ofc

[hollow river]

Mav is a pumper as well

Yeah, and they’re doing pretty well considering they started this tier and started late

[spice spire]

[glass tulip]

I get PI for good performance

Unethical parse but our fire mage is booty cheeks so make better use of it

[bleak sky]

So you're saying you need a fire mage?

I know one

@oak sky

[viscid spear]

Thought he was Frost

[spice spire]

Nah agreonicy is a trickster like that

[bleak sky]

Multispec menace

[gusty mirage]

They already have one bad mage, why would they want two?

[glass tulip]

If agreonicy wants a new raid that is essentially the same as the one he is on he is welcome

We have same Ryg% but they raid tonight and we dont

[gusty mirage]

Is Agreon on jailer now?

Oh

[glass tulip]

Nah 100 pull 48% ryg

[balmy condor]

[glass tulip]

We are 50 pulls 52% I think

[gusty mirage]

Oof

[bleak sky]

I'll shave your eyebrows buddy

[gusty mirage]

Cheer up cutie, at least you’re not minalba’s stanky ass

[glass tulip]

Yeah they went from 50/50% to 100/50%

[balmy condor]

I am cheered up, I got big maple leveling session today

Very cool

[gusty mirage]

I’m losing the motivation to keep grinding for onni

I need to liquidate my exotic currencies and just buy it but I cba

[bleak sky]

Gotta juice up your maps to make money faster

[gusty mirage]

I’ve been making money pal

[glass tulip]

Maple story? What year is this

[bleak sky]

Yeah but can always make money faster

[gusty mirage]

I’ve tripled my worth in 5 days

[bleak sky]

You're always making money, but at different rates

[gusty mirage]

I just cba doing that level or grinding

Trust me I know

The 200c day was pain

[bleak sky]

Is good game

[violet jackal]

My best friend finds a way to always return to that game -__

[gusty mirage]

Then the next day dropped 16 log books and grinded out 4 invitations

[balmy condor]

Maplestory banger game

I ranted about it earlier

Will not repeat

But it’s good game

[gusty mirage]

I made a Russian friend who insta DMs me every time I toss an invitation in my maps sales tab

[bleak sky]

The one game I wish wasn't trash is Grand Chase

It was so good a decade ago

[urban thistle]

This is true

[violet jackal]

Rose Online was a fantastic game for it's time

[bleak sky]

Lunia was a banger too

[gusty mirage]

Minalba do I kill jailer before my sub runs out in 2.5 weeks?

[balmy condor]

Any EU boys know runes of magic?

[violet jackal]

i'm NA and played that one

[balmy condor]

Was my game before wow

[bleak sky]

Yes

Absolutely

Just pull a <NOCCO> and raid 7days a week, 5h a day

[gusty mirage]

[kindred rapids]

Almost joined nexus myself

[echo geyser]

[balmy condor]

Stay safe out there

[gusty mirage]

As fun as that sounds, I’d rather castrate myself with a rusty spoon

[bleak sky]

Understandable

I need to stop bullying daps but don't tell him

[gusty mirage]

I won’t tell him or encourage you to stop

[bleak sky]

Ok thanks

[gusty mirage]

Assassination needs this to stay lively

Otherwise we’d all fall asleep from the intriguing rotational choices

[ebon notch]

wow

[ebon notch]

WOW

[gusty mirage]

Listen man, I’m sorry

But like

Even if I asked minalba to stop he won’t

[balmy condor]

He’s also not sorry

[gusty mirage]

Oh shit I’m exposed

Look at the time I have to go do lawyer stuff

[ebon notch]

[timid cloud]

Well meme’d my friend.

Also Elusive did BIG hours for HOF.

[bleak sky]

Did they get hof though

[timid cloud]

My boys are in there, I meme my homie for sandbagging their SOD HOF all of the time. Probably what made him quit….

Uhhhhh, yeah they did.

I think on the last possible day, down to the wire like in SOD.

[balmy condor]

Elusive missed in sod

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

RIP my homie YamesWoW.

Heartthrob of the WoW community, some say he died at Sylvanas. A part of him lost forever on the third platform.

[gusty mirage]

weird way to spell gromnak

[hollow river]

Well I’m on the dreaded zoomer server now

Do we go for the free name change with our realm transfer?

[bleak sky]

Zoomer server?

[nova flax]

Missed it by like 1% in SoD and they got it on the last possible night after like 4 bugged pulls in SFO

[hollow river]

Tich

[bleak sky]

How is it zoomer

[hollow river]

Because, it just is

It’s where most of the west coast college attendees play

[bleak sky]

West coast playing on west coast hosted realm

I'm shocked

[hollow river]

Ok smart guy

Should be oxi’s partner in law

[spice spire]

Remove in law

On god

[burnt latch]

@ebon notch asked me to trade nudes for sin tech today

i refused but thought id let u guys know as it affects loads of you personally

[spice spire]

Yeah

Was hoping to see nudes ngl

This ruined my week

[burnt latch]

I'm sorry that I had to be the one delivering the devastating news, especially since the week has just started

You'll recover

Stay strong

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/anger-angry-break-gif-19098093

So no nudes?

[spice spire]

Ty papa warcieft

Bless up

[burnt latch]

on god

[spice spire]

Ong

[carmine dawn]

Oh shit waddup

[vernal adder]

Hi

Im here to escape from wow talk in OT

[carmine dawn]

Too bad commands don’t work here

[vernal adder]

Dont mind

[carmine dawn]

@spice spire start a petition

[spice spire]

!vibecheck

Omw

[vernal adder]

can you timeout Hataro if he comes here? @spice spire

this is peace

would play sin, not enough haste

[spice spire]

I can’t only if he trolls 😦

[vernal adder]

damn I need to become Shadowblade

[carmine dawn]

You have my vote

[vernal adder]

Gotta talk to Fierydemise

[carmine dawn]

Fiery Denise !

https://tenor.com/view/deenice-substitute-substitut-teacher-key-and-peele-keegan-michael-key-gif-16327546

Sick edit

Now I look like a fool

[vernal adder]

n and m so close together man

[ebon notch]

@burnt latch i found out that i forgot to second pot on jailer kill

more dps to be had

[spice spire]

Unlucky

Warcieft wouldn’t have forgotten :/

[ebon notch]

warcieft cant even raid

[burnt latch]

[worn sorrel]

I did my first 0 as assa

It was super cool

.
But tanked did super small pulls (normal) and mobs died fast so couldnt really do a full cycle D:

And yeah I was totally capped on energy, no problems there

.
And a question:

How many ruptures/garrotes do I want before pressing vendetta and shiv?

I know its not a specific number, but how do you do that?

[glass tulip]

I mean I do 0

But I wouldn't call that correct

Just rip the ST and let other people handle aoe until your vendetta runs out and then do more bleeds

[violet jackal]

1

[glass tulip]

On your main target, yeah. I meant that I ignore other targets to be clear

[bleak sky]

you have 3 garrotes when you start a pack

you need 5 energy regen bleeds to be at energy saturation

but idk, been a while

[worn sorrel]

So with just 3 garrotes 2 ruptures Im capped?

.
Then I guess its cool to triple garrote + rupture something + rupture vendetta target and full st?

[limber lion]

With the 4p you don't need 5 bleeds because it will speed up your current garrote/rupture on the target

Just slapping the 3 garrotes in the beginning, using CT and then going full ham on one target is fine

[glass tulip]

You assume he is a beta cuck who plays subterfuge

Instead of the gigachad ST venthyr raid build

[spice spire]

[glass tulip]

Especially on 4 man tyrannical +15s

Its the move, quake

[weary marten]

first sigil 265 simming lower than 252 IQD, seems legit to you ?

[hollow river]

Sounds kinda weird

Link sim

[weary marten]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ugnnee8DkdWk9eDw8CvN21

[storm onyx]

Could be your Crit / Vers distribution, Iqd giving you crit, which you are lacking much.

[weary marten]

you think i lack crit ?

[storm onyx]

Also Sigil 1 use, iqd double in 5 mins with haste (possibly on hero opener) and crit on 2nd use

[spice spire]

@weary marten https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/42kLDXcdZEzjy5nAqBXAXP

If you go beyond 5, it’ll uptick. One use vs two is the issue

[hollow river]

I feel like I remember something about sim iterations having different lengths

So it shouldn’t be about length iirc

quakes sim message just loaded in

Am I incorrect Mr. MakeIt

[spice spire]

It deviates from 4:30-5:30.
But you can check used and see 1v2 on 5-6

[hollow river]

I see

Your findings are valid.

[weary marten]

so if fight is longer than 5 min i should use sigil, otherwise IQD ?

[hollow river]

[weary marten]

it's all about using once or twice sigil

[ebon notch]

iqd is sim bait

[hollow river]

[ebon notch]

just dont bother running it

[hollow river]

[storm onyx]

Depends; there is a sweet spot that initial sigil usage will uplift your overall curve depending on how short the fight is

[weary marten]

oh true ok

so i should always sigil anyway ?

[ebon notch]

yes

[bleak sky]

clown

legit clown

[storm onyx]

More straitforward ,

[ebon notch]

???

[bleak sky]

[ebon notch]

I DONT WANT TO GIVE

MY HEALERS

MANA

[bleak sky]

watch your weakaura

?

¿

[ebon notch]

ok so ill just hold my cds till my healer gains above 30% mana

wait what do you mean he's still casting

ive held my cds for over a minute now

[weary marten]

can outrange it in some scenarios but yeah that's a pain in the arse

[storm onyx]

You can use iqd situationally; for example if you know you will need to go dps some add/intermission and need the extra dmg and have dmg on boss later or prior too. Instead of just sticking to the boss

[bleak sky]

yes now kiss me

[ebon notch]

assuming you get stats

[ebon notch]

fk u dont clown me

[storm onyx]

true )

[hollow river]

we always proc stats

because we're gigachad assa rogues

[sonic spire]

!tea

sad, does anyone have the custom code for changing theo tea stats in raidbots? :3

[timid cloud]

I wish you could dodge giving mana.

Like you dodge execute, or heal, or tank clone, or taunt.

[oak sky]

@sonic spire check the sub rogue faqs

[timid cloud]

That is why IQD is gigga cwinge

[zinc frost]

Sigil users

[ebon notch]

how do you dodge heal

[jaunty steeple]

don't have people be low

[bleak sky]

[sonic spire]

i was tryna put it in top gear inot advanced sim im dumb ❤️ ty friend

[spice spire]

@oak sky it's also in ours, scrub.

SMDH

[oak sky]

bro i didnt know it got added

[spice spire]

smdh

[viscid spear]

Too busy playing Fire Mage, bro

[oak sky]

my mage is on the bench this week

havent even done 1 key

[sinful marsh]

So I basically havent played sin at all this expansion but I discovered something interesting. Looks like the Moonlit Prism trinket procs on a lot of sins kit. Including crippling poison

Well mostly just crippling poison actually

Crippling, FoK, vendetta, poisoned knife

[balmy condor]

yeah the proc rate is really high on the active portion of the trinket

does the same thing with mistweaver hots for example

[sinful marsh]

I did some tests as a super rusty sin rogue without proper leggos and stats and easily hit 20 stacks in 12 seconds of the trinket. A good setup could shave that down to 8 seconds, giving almost 12 seconds of 740 primary stat. Line that up with a flag/vend/shiv window and I can imagine this destroying in damage

Sadly it doesnt proc on anything for Outlaw save for crippling, which is too low to matter. It procs for sub though, specifically shadowstrike and shuriken storm. Though not black powder

Guess it procs on blade flurry. Which is actually huge

[balmy condor]

the issue is it just doesn't last long enough

[fleet anchor]

I mean without logs I don't really think this is something we can verify too easily. Casters have played around extensively with the stacking rules for this trinket since it's odd, but given that it doesn't trigger from periodic ticks (at least not for any casters)

It seems unlikely it would be super reliable for Assassination

But if you can provide some logs I can certainly check

[balmy condor]

^ logs would be the way, can you hit a dummy or something and send those logs over? @sinful marsh

[sinful marsh]

Yeah I could do that

[sinful marsh]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kCR3pt2WyJfB1Zzc

First fight is just autoattacking with crippling

Plus deadly poison of course

2nd fight is autoattcking with mind numbing

3rd is my best attempt at sin opener

From this, looks like you really want to have envenom going into using the trinket to maximize crippling poison procs

Bear in mind i havent played sin since early BFA, no proper leggos, no haste, etc

4th fight is me trying to aoe

[fleet anchor]

Main thing I notice here is that it only seems to apply from the crippling debuff itself, not just proc attempts which is why it seems to correspond with Crippling debuff refreshes on the Training Dummy, but not the Raider's Training Dummy?

Which means it probably wouldn't work against a boss

Technically I think the Crippling snare debuff itself is flagged as a Magic rather than Physical spell which is likely why it procs it

(Deadly Poison is considered Melee)

[sinful marsh]

It procced on a raiders training dummy. I dont think it ever got the debuff though

[fleet anchor]

The stacking rate is much lower on the raider's training dummy though

You could try the auto+crippling test with the Raider's Training Dummy

To confirm

[sinful marsh]

That's the first test is it not?

[fleet anchor]

Ah you're right

Yeah I'll look at that one closer

[fleet anchor]

Can you try it without Deadly Poison?

And just straight AA with Crippling on the raider dummy?

[sinful marsh]

Yeah, after a key

[sinful marsh]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xLbcy2HXGWK3VBTk/#fight=1&type=auras&source=1

[balmy condor]

0 procs

[sinful marsh]

Just the activation. Sorry DP

[balmy condor]

yeh

so crippling doesn't proc trinket on bosses then

unlucky

[sinful marsh]

It does

[balmy condor]

you just linked a log where it doesn't

[fleet anchor]

That's just DP right no Crippling? Seems backwards. Unless I'm missing something?

[sinful marsh]

yeah

[balmy condor]

wasn't it supposed to be crippling, no DP

isn't of DP, no crippling

[sinful marsh]

Yeah, everything looks like crippling works to proc it fast, regardless of target

[sinful marsh]

DP Only, autoattacking: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xLbcy2HXGWK3VBTk#fight=1&type=auras&source=1&ability=215648

CP Only, autoattacking: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kCR3pt2WyJfB1Zzc#fight=1&type=auras&ability=215648

MNP + DP, autoattacking https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kCR3pt2WyJfB1Zzc#fight=2&type=auras&ability=215648

Sin opener https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kCR3pt2WyJfB1Zzc#fight=3&type=auras&sourceclass=Any&ability=215648

AOE https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kCR3pt2WyJfB1Zzc#fight=4&type=auras&ability=215648

[balmy condor]

aight so crippling works

and that's it

an interesting find for sure

weird how that works

I don't think it can pull it into viability (it's currently nearly 6% behind other on-use trinkets)

but I guess better than expected

[fleet anchor]

If you can test one more thing, that would be very helpful. Could you see if it triggers from Rupture/Garrote casts without any poisons applied at all? Just raw DoT casts.

[limber lion]

What's helpful to know when testing this, is that you can apply garrote/rupture at a 45-90 degree angle so your character won't start auto-attacking the target.

[trail orchid]

Quick Vendetta question. i got rupture with full duration, then ill proc vendetta which give me 30% more dmg. does that also count for rupture or do i have to reapply rupture while vendetta is active to get the bonus dmg?

[limber lion]

Vendetta increases your damage dynamically, meaning that it will increase all damage you do during the duration, including any and all DoT's you have pre-applied.

You do not forcefully reapply bleeds after pressing Vendetta, you just follow normal pandemic rules.

[trail orchid]

so its just important to snapshot new bleed when vendetta is about to run out

to keep that bonus dmg? or is that also dynamic

[limber lion]

That only applies to the 4-piece tierset - but yes, you would reapply/snapshot the bleed when Vendetta is about to run out

but that means snapshotting the tick rate of the bleed, not the damage increase that Vendetta gives it.

When Vendetta runs out, the damage increase will go down regardless.

[trail orchid]

ahhh, so what we snapshot are haste buffs for ticking and not the dmg buff

[limber lion]

Kind of, we snapshot the tick rate, which is a combination of your haste and the 4p tier sets 100% faster tick rate effect.

[trail orchid]

got it

thank you

often while vendetta is running, i have enough CP to spend (while all bleeds are running). is that the time to go shiv and dump them into envenoms?

[spice spire]

If you’re running venthyr, even on ST you should be running CT. And if you’re managing all 3, yeah pop an envenom.
But shiv is full send Freddy iirc

[sinful marsh]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/R6gFAGkhyacKLQrB/#fight=2&type=auras Second fight is no poisons, basically using all of my kit. Garrote, Rupture, Flag, Vendetta, CT, FoK... Only ability that stacked it was Vendetta

[trail orchid]

opener from left to right, where do i put that potion?

[smoky sentinel]

I'd put potion and trinket before rupture

but people may correct me

especially if cube procs versatility or crit , you want your bleeds to be effected

I'd link them to a single bind with flaglation (so flag+pot+iqd)

will save you a global

[trail orchid]

i see

[winter gale]

Is there a possible date for Legion TW?

[smoky sentinel]

july or something

you can check in game calender

[trail orchid]

mid august

17th

[smoky sentinel]

yikes so far, need to farm trinket

-_-

[blazing pumice]

@limber lion what about the ~5s remaining mark, what do you cast then?

like I find myself having ct still on ~3s remaining

do you envenom or ct

[violet jackal]

Which rogue spec has the smallest loot spec for that juice .1% gain at trinket in vault

[ebon notch]

I used to but I shifted it up to just after shiv

I realised that pumping my flag damage was not nearly as important as pumping my vendetta bleeds + 5 seconds of overhang

[muted ridge]

Anyone with Mythic Jailer exp. Can you cloak off Death Sentence?

or nobody dared to even try it xd

[bleak sky]

What exactly is death sentence

[muted ridge]

Its the dot in P4

that needs dispelling

[bleak sky]

@ebon notch help

Haven't got to p4 answer it

[echo geyser]

Even if u could, youd have to soak puddles

Which is supposed to be planned dispells and soaks

[muted ridge]

Certainly, I was just thinking if its even possible which could raise question if its pre immunable

Like, you soak it with cloak on, would you get affected?

yknow

[echo geyser]

The puddle?

Big doubt but i dont know for certain

It would indeed make stacking rogues pretty good i think

[ebon notch]

You can diffuse magic it as a monk

So I'm 99% sure you can cloak it off

[muted ridge]

[ebon notch]

I wouldn't risk pre immuning it because if you fail you wipe the whole raid

[muted ridge]

yeaah, but someone has to test it

[spice spire]

Int raid for it

[ebon notch]

It doesn't make sense that you would still be able to pick up the debuff

Considering the mechanic is based on you holding onto it

[muted ridge]

There could be shenanigans of insta dispel with picking up while cloaked

so you pick it up and insta splits

[ebon notch]

Yeah but that's terrible

[muted ridge]

certainly

[ebon notch]

Have fun in your adventures

[muted ridge]

Also do you know if Evasion can evade the big cleave in P4?

We all know how stupiD evasion is

sometimes works, sometimes doesnt

[ebon notch]

I just feinted it because you don't want to evade the damage

[muted ridge]

Got it

[ebon notch]

If you evade it then your homies take more damage

And they're all squishy af so if they die you wipe

[muted ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-avengers-marvel-small-price-gif-14188934

[echo geyser]

just try it for science in p4 pull

Im sure the guild wont mind

[ebon notch]

Hahahaha

It's crazy how much damage the dot does to you tho near the end

@echo geyser you ever had it?

[echo geyser]

Healer problem

[muted ridge]

tbf, if I see its bin pull, I'll do my best to try it

anything for science

[ebon notch]

Can literally tick you for 30k per tick

Scary af

[spice spire]

Based

[ebon notch]

Razhag got his NOCCOs and just tried it on stream

The bribe worked

[echo geyser]

[spice spire]

[ebon notch]

[viscid spear]

[trail orchid]

Is this damage distribution normal? it feels odd to have melee at top

[glass tulip]

What kind of content was that from? Raid boss, dungeon?

[violet jackal]

are you missing 4p?

mastery looks low maybe

[bleak sky]

mastery?

[glass tulip]

This is from one of my more recent Skolex kills

So full ST distribution

[thorn fjord]

third week out of 4 that i get So'Leahs trinket in the box

Still no fucking sigil 😦

[gusty mirage]

which one of you wished this upon me

[glass tulip]

Can you trade me those wrists? 🥺

[gusty mirage]

you want vers mastery wrists?

[glass tulip]

Creation catalyst

It's my last piece for the full mythic set

[gusty mirage]

oh unlucky I forgot those exist

probably would've taken those then

and catalyzed them

so I can recraft unity on chest

[glass tulip]

Yeah I have been waiting for wrists and haven't gotten a single pair

Going to do legs unity since my helm has leech and I have 285 chest

[gusty mirage]

must be nice to have 285 tier

[strange python]

Is it worth delaying the first CD set on sausage to try to get a MFD reset off the add?

My gut says it might be, but couldn't find any compelling logs that did it

[glass tulip]

If you send on pull

you can mfd the 2nd add

[trail orchid]

@glass tulip this was on a puppet. mastery is fairly low to be fair, but if i do some sims with my gear it tends almost always towards crit/haste

but low mastery was my thought too there

37% crit / 25% haste and 29% mastery

9% vers ...

just checked some rogues and melee/rupture is almost always even. sometime melee is top even

[limber lion]

At -5s you should only prio Rup/Gar. You rarely have time for other finishers. Follow normal pandemic rules for CT, don't force it.

The pins explain it all clearly.

[oak sky]

Im missing 3

[bleak sky]

ryg dagger?

[oak sky]

Thats not in the full transmog set

[bleak sky]

transmog

[oak sky]

Mavv isnt fully geared bro

[bleak sky]

single 285 piece

transmog collector

[oak sky]

Mogger 😈

[spice spire]

Whoa buddy

[oak sky]

Today my choice was a 26 dps cape upgrade

[spice spire]

It’s 2022

[oak sky]

Or the leg mog

[spice spire]

You can’t be slinging that word around

[hollow river]

Imagine evading the auto filter in 2022

[spice spire]

Who would ever do that

[oak sky]

What auto filter

[spice spire]

(I told minalba to keep himself safe this am)

(I meant it at face value)

[hollow river]

[bleak sky]

green name being toxic at me

smh my head

[spice spire]

I just want you to be safe?

How’s that toxic

[bleak sky]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/985068813773045760/caption.gif

[hollow river]

Woah

Minalbasan

Danger

⚠️

[hollow river]

LoL

[spice spire]

Anyway

Dps is temporary, mog is forever

Agreon is correct

[oak sky]

Anyways i chose 26 dps over transmog today

[spice spire]

Disgusting

[oak sky]

Hey man

Im gonna be stuck on the same boss for a month

[spice spire]

Samesies

[oak sky]

Thats 4 weeks of no upgrades

[spice spire]

I haven’t had an upgrade in months

With an s

[livid temple]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[spice spire]

Because I haven’t had time to play Tbf. It’s not as if I’m maximizing vaults and still nothing kinda deal

[oak sky]

I do at least 4 keys a week

Maybe ill see phial one of these weeks

[spice spire]

Prayer

[glass tulip]

why you gotta call me out like that

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/kys-keep-yourself-safe-low-tier-god-gif-24664025

Quake @ Minal

[spice spire]

Yeah literally this am

[viscid spear]

Don't call out mav, he's a nice boy that does well considering his issues.

[spice spire]

[gentle flower]

so sylvanas mythic is still the best OH before any mythic daggers?

im looking at fuus thing

[ebon notch]

no

ilvl

is better

[gentle flower]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/WhPfNUnQrwpx6P5dnTHU3/simc

[spice spire]

[bleak sky]

how is that not what daps said

[spice spire]

Yeah, double rygelon on top checks out

As it has, for assassination, all tier

[timid cloud]

Some say, weapon damage is very important.