assassination

[mystic relic]

Lol

If u play your poison’s right

Zold is only good for venth

So many good choice for a leggy i dunno

[subtle tundra]

if you have 4pc

you only play dusk

[mystic relic]

Ya

[true pelican]

depends on boss, for lords zold is good

[subtle tundra]

thats literally the only exception

[bleak sky]

what

[true pelican]

pantheon too

[bleak sky]

there's literally one choice for leggo

and it's duskwalkers

[mystic relic]

What the best cov for it

[bleak sky]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[subtle tundra]

not really since last phase lasts so little lol

[bleak sky]

wowhead guide is up to date

[mystic relic]

Finally

[bleak sky]

it's always been

[mystic relic]

Necro and dusk go good together?

[subtle tundra]

everything goes well with dusk

[mystic relic]

Alright dusk it is

Oh

Which item should i put it on

[subtle tundra]

finger

[mystic relic]

Kk

[subtle tundra]

crit haste

[mystic relic]

Already knew what i was gonna say next

Thx

👍

[bleak sky]

just read the guide

[mystic relic]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-snorlax-gif-23982622

To lazy

[zinc frost]

[mystic relic]

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-silly-smile-gif-4953511

👌🏼

[echo geyser]

Windows button + Shift + S

thank me later

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

WTS Ramfam screenshot NFT

[ebon notch]

WTS ramfam NFT

cheaper than OXI

[pearl ingot]

don´t stop playing rogue...that´s what the game wants to tell u

[rough bear]

It's a sign.

[echo geyser]

@ebon notch first time i see enhance in key

[ebon notch]

if you played keys with me you'd see more

[echo geyser]

[spice spire]

Ramfam only plays with the best

[buoyant mauve]

I no longer have to crop screenshots in paint anymore, thank you 🥲

[ebon notch]

[echo geyser]

@ebon notch he was clueless

fotmsham wouldve done more

[ebon notch]

yeah this guy a clown on god

also he didnt get PI

[echo geyser]

ong fr fr 💯

ofc i get this as a socket item when i already got the vault version

disoster

[echo geyser]

glad i could help, i also learned it from ravenholdt

[zinc frost]

That ain’t it chief

(you playing DH)

[winter kernel]

anyone have a link weakaura with the tier 4pc pandemic, specifically the one that works with afenarui

[zinc frost]

Check first pin

[winter kernel]

ty I got hit by Blind

[echo geyser]

[viscid spear]

🦮

[ebon notch]

ur very judgemental today

[spice spire]

Ramfam on one

Roasting people everywhere

[echo geyser]

rupture flaming my dh

@zinc frost

[oak sky]

flame this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/875956318232530976.gif?size=44

[ebon notch]

:pantsgrab:

[zinc frost]

[viscid spear]

:zipsdick:

[echo geyser]

hunter better class?

ive been seeing a lot of ww fotm rerollers now in my weeklies

bunch of 250 ilvl monks

i wonder why

fotmfist rising i guess @ebon notch

[zinc frost]

I blame that Folyr

[echo geyser]

damn folyr

[ebon notch]

Bro I'm 256 and I'm doing 18k overall

[echo geyser]

bill dipperly i suppose

[ebon notch]

Fuck now that song is in my head

I hate you

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

Im next

[echo geyser]

agreonspin

[ebon notch]

ram come play aram

[bleak sky]

we are rising

[ebon notch]

i showed my gf the bill dipperly song

[bleak sky]

needs a server transfer and name change though

[ebon notch]

and shes singing it tom e

wtf

[oak sky]

Agreonchizus-illidan

If i get bored on mage and dk monk is the next step for sure

[echo geyser]

im bill dipperly im bill dipperly

https://tenor.com/view/built-built-differently-big-dipperly-gif-19610743

[oak sky]

hey poke, you wanna come out here?

[bleak sky]

bro who you talking to

is it the voices again

[oak sky]

I go hard. On my scoo-ter

Got no gun. But I shoot her

With my dick. I'm a coo-mer

[marble hemlock]

@echo geyser roast me

[viscid spear]

[echo geyser]

looking hecking cute tonight

[marble hemlock]

Not as cute as Nova

[echo geyser]

facts

[marble hemlock]

You gonna swap to dwarf?

[echo geyser]

only my hunter for now, no clue which chars ill actually end up playing

[marble hemlock]

Hmm aight

[viscid spear]

I'm swap your SO for myself

[oak sky]

Dark iron monk bis

Coolness factor

[gusty mirage]

true

[marble hemlock]

Thanks Brutus

[gusty mirage]

hey man

that doesn't mean you're ugly

just nova's the pinnacle of cute

[marble hemlock]

https://c.tenor.com/lBQ89V3Yd5IAAAAM/friends-rachel-green.gif

[ebon notch]

@echo geyser you did a key with my boy calmwah??

he might have been on an alt

[echo geyser]

[ebon notch]

its ok bro im waiting for my inv

guild wants me to have warr as main alt

[ashen scroll]

fotmwarplayer

[ebon notch]

its like 275~ ilvl rn

[ashen scroll]

War going into next xpac? Or for this tier

[ebon notch]

but its not fun without gavel

for farm this tier

[ashen scroll]

War isn't banger this tier, what is their reason? So every raid has a shout buff?

[ebon notch]

nobody else has warr alt

so if our warrior wnats to alt smth

[ashen scroll]

Ahh

[ebon notch]

we need a warrior

its doing ok for now

[ashen scroll]

Make the tanks play prot xd

[ebon notch]

havent touched it in a month or so

[prisma cypress]

did they ever fix the bug with multiple assassination rogues in the raid?

[ebon notch]

ye

[ashen scroll]

Ye

[prisma cypress]

ok cool

[ashen scroll]

Debating on whether i go outlaw for the rest of lords with the buffs

Sin prob does more dam still

[ebon notch]

idk assa not that fun on fights like lords

for me personally

id probably go outlaw

[prisma cypress]

kyrian outlaw is really fun imo

it's so fast and there's so much going on

sort of the opposite of assass lol

[ebon notch]

yeah and then you get the wrong roll

and you spend 5 globals getting to full cp

[ashen scroll]

Id prob play venth dblade

Idk i like sin, feels better to play in general than sub

[ebon notch]

i love playing sin

but in this tier anything more than 1 target is cringe

unless its like a passive thing you can dot up

[ashen scroll]

I ran many sin keys to stockholme syndrome myself into liking multi target sin

[prisma cypress]

learned to stop worrying and love crimson tempest

[ashen scroll]

Ct is fun in st

Especially in vend

[prisma cypress]

so this early refresh of rupture and garrote at the end of vendetta, that's strictly in the final 3 seconds of vendetta?

is that what that image means

[ashen scroll]

Ye

It's like 8s or less of rupture or something right

[prisma cypress]

thats what it looks like

[zinc frost]

Yeah it’s 8 secs or less

[prisma cypress]

i'm trying to tweak my weakauras so shit glows when it's supposed to

[ashen scroll]

Cevs wa will override for vend

I don't know the command for it tho

[ebon notch]

uhh

!cev

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[ashen scroll]

Pog

[true pelican]

it's in the pins

[ebon notch]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[ebon notch]

its none of these

go to pins

@bleak sky ALSO WHAT

[bleak sky]

I thought you could still search from:ceverion wago

but can't

[ebon notch]

miss cev

he was always there for when i had rly stupid shit i had to ask someone

[ashen scroll]

Sin master is gone rip

[ebon notch]

im sure he will return

[zinc frost]

I’ll miss him because people come here and go “hey so cev does this in this fight why?“ but won’t be happy with any answer unless it comes from him

[jaunty crystal]

he left the disc?

[zinc frost]

Taking a break

[ashen scroll]

When i was learning sin a rogue guildie essentially sent me his logs and said this is your bible go learn

[jaunty crystal]

ye I have his logs bookmarked lmao

[zinc frost]

Will always be the king even if he doesn’t play

[ebon notch]

i remember the time i claimed "i never get less than 25 flag stacks"

[prisma cypress]

i'm just adding new conditions to afenar's weakauras by hand

[ebon notch]

and he pulled up one of my logs within 5 seconds

and found one where i got less than 25

[ashen scroll]

LOOOL

[ebon notch]

thats what i get when im perma showing him my logs

[ashen scroll]

I usually get at least 27 but 30 isn't common for me

Then u get mechs and end up with 19 stacks

[spice spire]

Buddy I can replace him in memeing on you

(Shitlord extraordinaire)

[ebon notch]

Do Ur worst

I've killed jailer now I'm invincible

[glass tulip]

you got it?

congrats broski

out of jail

[spice spire]

Private logging

[glass tulip]

how can I learn to not die on jailer without a fotm player to log watch

[oak sky]

@gusty mirage bro its starting im in a different down group now

[balmy condor]

are you still on anduin?

[glass tulip]

he is, the log watchers are active rn

265 pulls

im right there with you

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

I can link you it's unlisted uwu

[ebon notch]

Ikr

[glass tulip]

my savior

[ebon notch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nMjXtzJP9W1AFqyd#boss=2537&difficulty=5

[uneven hamlet]

I got benched on jailer

[spice spire]

You know what

You topped damage

That’s some good shit

No memeing today

[zinc frost]

My next expansion copium is that there are no bad fights for rogue

[oak sky]

that wouldnt be fair

other classes have bad fights all the time

[zinc frost]

Good, so they should

[glass tulip]

cant wait til every fight is designed around having at least 2 dracthyr

[ebon notch]

<3

Viklund dm'd me after

Going "fuck you beat me on boss dam"

Jailer is honestly the best assa rogue fight in a long time

The only people who need double step are those who are either not comfortable on sin or are over reliant on double step for positioning

[echo geyser]

i recall a certain someone flying off the edge from comet slam

[ebon notch]

If I stepped I'd land in the defile

100 P worth dying to meteor cleave than stepping into defile

I could've stepped someone else tho but I didn't realise until too late

[strange python]

Is playing without melandrus ring big deal?

[echo geyser]

u can sim gearcompare / droptimzer to see how big it is for your own gear

[strange python]

I dont have assa gear

And he is playing without it so i am just curious

[ebon notch]

Hahahahhaa

Playing without it

Hahahahahahhahhaha

[echo geyser]

daps a lazybone

dont mind him

[ebon notch]

Unfortunately I do not possess it

[strange python]

Yeah thats pity then

[ebon notch]

Yep

[echo geyser]

if he had the ring he'd also get r1 jailer

19k dps

[ebon notch]

Bro ram

[echo geyser]

lost ark was more important

[ebon notch]

I legit went into or with 18.5k dps

[echo geyser]

[ebon notch]

P4*

On one pull

I was so hyped

[echo geyser]

u wouldve gone to the moon

[ebon notch]

I haven't played it in a month cause of jailer prog :(

[echo geyser]

[ebon notch]

Couldn't split my concentration like that

[zinc frost]

@ebon notch just wondering your thoughts on signet of melandrus ring? I can see you DON’T have it

[oak sky]

@ebon notch hey bro, listen, i have it you dont so im better than you mad?

[ebon notch]

I walked up to melandrus

And I asked him square in the face

"do you have the ring"

Mfer

Looked at me and told me to fuck off

And that's how I don't have it

[zinc frost]

https://tenor.com/view/abuelo-simpson-grandpa-abraham-the-simpsons-gif-7855872

[ebon notch]

Exactly

[gusty mirage]

soon my friend you'll have lost your will to live

Daps how much IO do I need to get bitches

[jagged spear]

does bleed overhang only occur when vendetta is less than 3s?

[zinc frost]

So the overhang means, hasted bleeds applied prior to vendetta running out. It’s recommended for 3s to try and get a full 4pc rupture on the target as vendetta is just about to run out to gain as much value out of the bleed whilst it still has the exsanguinate affect on it

[jagged spear]

so to get the full advantage of it

its recommended to reapply when vendetta has 3s left

right?

[zinc frost]

Yep, unless you have more than 8 secs remaining on your rupture though

[worn sorrel]

I want to try assa soon, but how is assa state rn in m+?

And how is it seen? I havent seen any assa player in the whole patch

[balmy condor]

assassination is generally considered the weakest of the 3 specs in m+ because the aoe sucks

it's basically a prio dam machine

but outside of that it's pretty worthless

[ashen scroll]

Sin also has the weakest cc of the 3 specs

[subtle tundra]

cc is very overrated this expac

[ashen scroll]

Fun to play tho

True, why cc when your destro+sv will just aoe it down in 10s

[subtle tundra]

i mean there's no reason to overuse stuns

[ashen scroll]

I feel like cc is more useful in pugs where your dps dont use their kicks often. So u just overuse your own cc to compensate. In an organized group it's a lot better (I'd imagine)

[subtle tundra]

well, yea, in pugs you can solo carry a group who doesnt intrerrupt as a rogue

sub rogue

by spamming cheapshot

but then you do no dps

and even if you dont spam cs, you do no damage

[bleak sky]

btw who's playing venth on your keys @subtle tundra

[subtle tundra]

will be varlock

[bleak sky]

[subtle tundra]

yea, the warlock will cry

but what are they gonna do?

tell me to log rogue?

LOLE

[bleak sky]

they have enough damage anyway KEKW

[subtle tundra]

well venthyr warlock spreads curses

to all mobs

so its really big defensive aswell

for tank

[bleak sky]

[balmy condor]

venth warlock does crazy insano dps

[worn sorrel]

But even then, I guess you can get 20k dps overall or so?

I know overall is not the best stat, but just to get a general idea

[balmy condor]

20k is pretty rough

it's doable

but like, on a fort week in halls and you're grabbing gargoyles

[worn sorrel]

Saying that assa does dh dps is right?

[balmy condor]

probably slightly less

[worn sorrel]

I see

But it also has the value of prio/st so its not that bad

[subtle tundra]

i've done 20k+ in mists

[worn sorrel]

Assa is strong in st and up to 4-5 targets?

[subtle tundra]

no

its only strong in st

[worn sorrel]

But at least it should do very good funnel, no?

[subtle tundra]

you can call it funnel, yea

but its more like prio dmg in a pack

but its quite the sad thing

cause you go into a pack with equal health mobs

like mists maze

and you burst one mob down

which is complete dogshit dmg for time

cause it doesnt speed the pack kill time

[worn sorrel]

Cant you like spread the damage with envenom?

Well, I guess vendetta is the main issue

[subtle tundra]

Bro envenom hits 1 target for 5k

💀 💀 💀

[worn sorrel]

The only thing you have..

Does the venthyr ability spread?

If not, is it good to vendetta ans venthyr ability dif targets when packs have the same hp?

[bleak sky]

no

nothing spreads

you spread bleed yourself with garrote/rupture on every single target

or crimson tempest

there's no aoe spread with abilitiies

[worn sorrel]

Yeah I know that, didnt know about venthyr

So what do you do in packs with the same hp?

[zinc frost]

Just sadness when you look at the overalls at the end of the dungeon

[bleak sky]

bleed them all

[empty hinge]

Play monk and spin to win if anything is bolstered and tank dies just say he needed more healing

[worn sorrel]

I already play monk tho

[bleak sky]

no reason to play rogue then

[worn sorrel]

Theres no reason to play wow at all tbh

[bleak sky]

based

[random fossil]

Makes the day end faster bro

[balmy condor]

Sin can do aoe in 2 ways and 2 ways only.

1. Crimson tempest (mediocre damage, not spam-able, just another dot)
2. Put garrote and rupture on literally everything (its just single target bleeds in aoe, which means past 4 targets you’re just tapped out because not enough cp and gcd is too long)

And neither of those are any good

[worn sorrel]

Did you use to spam ct in bfa?

[balmy condor]

No

You used to spam fan of knives in bfa

Because echoing blades existed and was crazy

[worn sorrel]

I see

So assa really does 0 aoe lol

[balmy condor]

Correct

We have to talent into our only aoe

And its still dogshit

[zinc frost]

How good is it

[vestal wren]

ct has a initial damage part too, but that one does not enough damage to make it good when spammed

[drifting cosmos]

the sadness is real in keys

[balmy condor]

You wanna do aoe damage as a rogue? You spec sub, equip as much crit/mast as you’re able to, and then keep up with the survival hunter for about 6 seconds during tornado blades flag

[subtle tundra]

Reroll fotm and be happy

[balmy condor]

Until you run out of flag juice

And then you’re gutter trash

And then you hit a boss

And you’re at like 115% mastery

So your single target is like 8k

And youre doing tank damage

[subtle tundra]

While survival does 15k

[balmy condor]

I wonder if you just lose to resto shaman if you go full aoe blaster sub

I think it would get close

[drifting cosmos]

the delta is ridiculous, between meta and non meta this season

[zinc frost]

6 seconds if the SV gets no procs in the opener

[vestal wren]

Cache of Acquired Treasures is still our best AoE cooldown 🙂

[worn sorrel]

I get it, assa is bad. But will I have trouble to do the min dps in 20-23? Lol

[balmy condor]

No of course not

[subtle tundra]

I've done 28-29 as assa

If you play well, it will be fine

But it's way harder than sub

[vestal wren]

more dots ^^

[drifting cosmos]

🤔 top chart in boss fight and 3rd overall?

[worn sorrel]

Doing 23s on assa already makes you top world wow

[bleak sky]

you're more than fine to play whatever you want in that range of keys

[sturdy merlin]

@subtle tundra How do you deal with relics on opener

[worn sorrel]

I started wow in 8.3 with assa but was very bad...now that im not that bad I wanna try it again

[bleak sky]

esc -> logout -> log on monk

[subtle tundra]

Garrote urh and fok if they up

[worn sorrel]

You mean urh relic?

[drifting cosmos]

wrong timing, 8.3 sin was actually pretty good

[worn sorrel]

Curiosity, overall?

[worn sorrel]

But I was bad

[vestal wren]

i did not like 8.3 sin

[drifting cosmos]

i think since SL sin hasn't been good in keys? didnt play at start but still

[vestal wren]

sin is for me not a gcd capped spec nor should it ignore energy

(on single target)

[worn sorrel]

I think sin is cool right now

[balmy condor]

Sin hasn’t been the #1 m+ spec since legion, and it was questionable then as well

It was okay in 8.3

But you still never really saw it

[worn sorrel]

Would assa become good if blizz buffs ct?

[drifting cosmos]

legion was all about pb rng

can be huge, can be fk all

[balmy condor]

If they buff it by like 50% sure

[vestal wren]

iirc BP did similar to ct damage in 9.0

before the buff

(similar to ct's initial damage)

[balmy condor]

Yeah and its every other gcd and deeper daggers and it got buffed and baseline

[vestal wren]

yep, it got buffed by a lot ^^

[subtle tundra]

What if shiv made envenom deal dmg to all ruptured targets so we can do dmg to multiple targets

[worn sorrel]

That sounds good I think

[subtle tundra]

Idc about numbers

[balmy condor]

That would really only help 2-3 target

[subtle tundra]

Game play wise

[balmy condor]

Which is i guess the niche

[drifting cosmos]

envenom dmg needs to be buffed?

atm it feels so bad

[subtle tundra]

Nah

[drifting cosmos]

when it doesnt crit

[balmy condor]

A numerical buff to any 1-2 skills will not fix anything

[worn sorrel]

Just make ct deal more damage as a dot, I dont want to spam ct

[subtle tundra]

You don't lol

[drifting cosmos]

😃 but the way they doing balancing in SL

[balmy condor]

Sin just simply has foundational issues that have not been addressed because its an aging spec with no changes in the last 8 years

[drifting cosmos]

i dont think there is any hope

outside meta specs

[worn sorrel]

You would if blizz buffed initial damage of ct by a lot

[subtle tundra]

Ct is an aoe talent that was almost best in the row in st before the tier set

They won't buff it

Bcs it buffs our st

Which is top tier

[worn sorrel]

Rip assa

[drifting cosmos]

🙏 all hopes in 10.0

[subtle tundra]

They can't realistically buff our aoe without buffing our st

[worn sorrel]

Just make a new passive

[quasi ledge]

CT baseline, add Echoing Blades back as the talent

[vestal wren]

buffing ct to the point that it would beat other finisher in aoe always would also remove depth from the spec

[subtle tundra]

Eb boring

[balmy condor]

If they do nothing new on the talent tree im gonna actually toaster fork

[worn sorrel]

You buff the dot so nothing changes

[drifting cosmos]

[oak sky]

this tbh

[worn sorrel]

Should they just rework vendetta so assa works in aoe?

[drifting cosmos]

gotta start a monk alt as last resort

[oak sky]

dont need a cd to work in aoe per se

[worn sorrel]

Or maybe put a talent row that modifies vendetta for st/aoe/whatever

[oak sky]

that wouldnt be my preference but it would be an option

[zinc frost]

[subtle tundra]

Assa requires a rework and hopefully won't be like shadow priest this expac

[hollow dirge]

Deals more dmg per target hit, up to a cap, done

[drifting cosmos]

what happens to SP this expac?

[worn sorrel]

If assa gets reworked I hope you still have many st dots that you have to manually spread

[oak sky]

Rework probably wouldnt mean losing garrote rupture etc it would probably mean new toys and passives on a bunch of shit

[zinc frost]

Poison bomb baseline and now procs at 1 percent higher chance

[oak sky]

Dont manifest it

[hollow dirge]

Also, they can make fok cost more but do actually high dmg , so that you start slow, but once everything’s debuffed, and energy rolls in, you actually blast

Not that hard to increase aoe without touching st, it requires a bit of effort. And effort for an unpopular class= waisted dev time😂

[storm onyx]

What if Fok added Xsecs to the bleeds on hit?

[hollow dirge]

And make it mandatory on st😂

[storm onyx]

Hm, thats an issue

Could be balanced somehow maybe tho

[worn sorrel]

I like the aoe envenom idea

Envenom duplicates on every target with rupture on it

Assa doesnt need to be good on mass aoe, but that would make it better for smaller packs

[hollow dirge]

It’s super strong though, but I guess it could be modified to percent of actual envenom dmg or something

[worn sorrel]

Yeah

Im gonna play assa on keys and see how it goes

But i ll get depressed if I do less overall than the tank lol

[hollow dirge]

Nah, it’s not that bad. It’s just that sub slaps, so it feels punishing going assa

[bleak sky]

envenom does no damage

[worn sorrel]

Hows assa in gambit? It must suck there

[bleak sky]

doesn't matter

[worn sorrel]

It d be like 5 envenoms at once

[hollow dirge]

As a single target spell, sure, but hitting 25-30k crits on 6-7 targets

[storm onyx]

There can be condition like 'if hits X amount targets', more cost/lesser dmg, dynamic cost/dmg

[subtle tundra]

Idk I didn't even consider it

Not even in 15s

[hollow dirge]

Think it would be better if crimson did it, so you’re never forced to replace mutilate st. But then again, crimson is not the issue on that row, other talents are

[worn sorrel]

I only wanna play assa but idk

[bleak sky]

just play iit

[worn sorrel]

If its too bad in gambit idk what to do

[bleak sky]

doesn't matter

just play

[worn sorrel]

Yeah I guess

Exsanguination for gambit is trolling?

[bleak sky]

bruh

exsang is always trolling

[storm onyx]

Why is it so bad? the spec is built for specific function, and doing very good. Ppl are getting hold on overall dmg too much

[hollow river]

I could see assa for high tyran if the hunter and destro can delete everything

Don’t know if it’d ever be necessary tho

[worn sorrel]

Cause gambit pulls are big and with kinda same hp

[subtle tundra]

Can tell you it's very noticeable that you don't have a blaster third dps

In high keys

In high keys

In a 25, yea, sure

But in a 30 tank can still die and timer is very tight

[vestal wren]

there are many ideas on how to fix it ^^

[zinc frost]

Just play assa, like I personally prefer sub in keys with 4pc but that’s just me. Pre-tier set I always preferred assa in keys tho.

[subtle tundra]

My personal reasoning is that I'm the stick stopper which is very easy on sub with minimal dps loss

On assa you cant stop double fish stick reliably and you have to hold many gcds

[worn sorrel]

Bdk can stop them easily tho

[subtle tundra]

I'd rather tank not die

Me losing 1 dps gcd won't deplete the key

Tank dying will

And at the start of the pull he still has to get aggro, stack the pack

[worn sorrel]

You have plenty of time to gather the pull before the first fish stick

I main bdk thats why I say it

Its just a grip to interrupt the fish stick, and grip has a 1/3 gcd after it

[void needle]

How hard do we force the snapshotted bleeds at the end of vendetta? Like if we know that we don't have time to cast or rebuild cp before vend ends is it okay to wait to reapply? If so, how long roughly is too long to wait?

[subtle tundra]

Being unfocused for 1 second in a 30 fortified can very well mean death

That's a go 29

[worn sorrel]

Well I guess it is different in a 30, but I have talked with tanks that do it in 28s at least

[subtle tundra]

I'm not saying it's impossible

I'm saying it's safer

To do as rogue

[worn sorrel]

Yeah its fair

[zinc frost]

The idea is to refresh rupture that is less than 8 seconds left whilst vendetta is about to expire in 3 seconds.

[kindred heron]

And no, don’t hold globals to wait, just do your rotation normally and if you get unlucky with crits and can’t reapply it’s no problem

In particular, check the first pin in the channel, in the “Main Takeaways” section at the bottom

[gusty mirage]

This. Even in 24s and 25s it’s kind of sus. I tried it last night and ehhhhh

Not sure if it’s worth it tbh

[violet jackal]

If what is worth it?

[bleak sky]

playing sin

in gambit I guess

[violet jackal]

Assassination great in that dungeon

[bleak sky]

the dungeon is 3 pulls

don't see how sin is good for that

[violet jackal]

more like 18

[thorn fjord]

I stil havent played Sin in a key

still*

this expansion i mean

[violet jackal]

I've only play necrolord assassination in all my keys, haven't had an issue

[cloud reef]

bring back echoing blades & crit corruption

[ebon notch]

At least double whatever varas has

[subtle tundra]

can confirm, my io aint enough

for no bitches

[violet jackal]

who cares about thots when you can set world records

[ebon notch]

Bro I've been giga forcing max pandemic ruptures at the end of my vendetta

Fuck CT that shit weak af

[storm onyx]

I understand this kind of argument related to mechanics/fights. Generally seeing complaints like ‘can’t do dmg’ or ‘our dmg sucks’ points to people don’t perceive the spec focus. Or just want to complain and vent…

[gusty mirage]

could've stopped here

2nd part unnecessary

outside of PF and top I don't see a point in it

I'm also stupid

so

[subtle tundra]

not when you can get a ww

[violet jackal]

Assassination is big boss damage in every dungeon.

[bleak sky]

what about the other 85% of the dungeon

[violet jackal]

Someone else's job

[bleak sky]

right

[granite widget]

demo / fire mage still better especially with urh

[violet jackal]

but being better doesn't equate to much for below 25. you aren't going to deplete a perfect run just because you brought a rogue for your single target

[bleak sky]

if it's a perfect run then something's gotta give

and that's damage

so idk about that one

[violet jackal]

If it's a perfect run you probably timed it though 🤷‍♂️

[bleak sky]

so why bring it up then

[gusty mirage]

I mean is the extra 3k to boss damage worth you doing tank dps for all the trash?

lol

[granite widget]

4p is not bad by any means, but imagine if it affected all enemies near vendetta target

[violet jackal]

sure? Couldn't say if I've ever been below the tank on trash or not

[gusty mirage]

then your tanks are bad

[granite widget]

sin could have very pog cleave

[gusty mirage]

sorry to break it to you

you're better off just dropping the rogue completely for a demo lock if you want good ST

I love sin in keys

but to say it's "fine" is copium

the spec's aoe is abysmal

[violet jackal]

Not sure what copium is but if you can time the key still then it definitely sounds fine. I think it's very wrong to say someone shouldn't be able to do content because of their class.

Also I'm completely fine being below tanks on trash if I'm 2-3x all the other dps on bosses especially tyrannical week.

I dont use meters but I log most of my keys and specifically just look at damage to bosses. It very rare another class is ahead of me

[bleak sky]

sure, sin is fine to run keys

[gusty mirage]

you're 2-3x a survival hunter and destro lock in ST?

show me

there's absolutely 0% chance you're TRIPLING their dps in ST

[violet jackal]

this is near triple on the survival hunter

[iron orchid]

was he like sleeping or sth ?

[violet jackal]

no clue, pug, key was timed all that mattered

[iron orchid]

facts

especially in pug

[rigid vessel]

SP too, sp is so op with haste buff

[ebon notch]

show boss dps specifically

[violet jackal]

that is boss specifically

[ebon notch]

i wanna see the numbers

you didnt do 1k

[bleak sky]

there ya go

[ebon notch]

ok yeah

thats player diff

lmao

[bleak sky]

yep

[gusty mirage]

lmfao so your survival hunter did less than the tank

and that was the explanation to sin doing 2-3x the "other DPS"

bro I've seen holy priests do his damage

the guy was atrocious

that doesn't make sin good

[ebon notch]

both of those specs

should outdps you

on pf first boss

100%

[violet jackal]

I don't think i've ever been outdpsed on this first boss

[ebon notch]

last season sure

this season

even sub can outdps us

lmao

[viscid spear]

You can't get outdpsed if the other dps are trash

[granite widget]

sub with nightstalker

[gusty mirage]

dude I rolled into a 23 pf running a full ST build, got fed PI on every boss

and beat the destro lock by 3k dps

[granite widget]

literally will outdps you on first boss

[gusty mirage]

lmao

[ebon notch]

[gusty mirage]

and I did tank dps on most trash pulls

[ebon notch]

its so sad how our insane haste scaling isnt even that much

lmao

[gusty mirage]

I still pulled 15k overall

but god damn

[ebon notch]

im sad i only discovered how good assa was in pf late into last season

[gusty mirage]

I felt worthless outside of the bosses

and on bosses it felt like shit beating a lock playing wilfred's by 3k

[chrome pebble]

where can i find a guide for openers for NF or Vent?

[bleak sun]

Mut snd mut garr flag rupt mfd ct vend for venth & change to mut snd ambush as Nf i think

[bleak sky]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[chrome pebble]

tyvm 🙂

[fair vector]

Is there any new content coming in this patch that gives us more actual power in terms of damage? Or all just quality of life type stuff? Read the notes and really doesnt seem like much?

[steady dome]

Which one do you all like between Venthyr or Necrolord? in terms of covenant abilities ?

[bleak sun]

Venth for minigame necro for aoe chill

[hollow river]

Nope

Just qol stuff

[violet jackal]

Necrolord, bonespike resets are fun

[west karma]

guys i need your help, im about to submit a ticket because of this, am i buged or im doing something wrong? https://youtu.be/J6Wot0MYKLA

[glass tulip]

Well it definitely doesn't go to 23 seconds

Doesn't seem like you are doing anything strange

[umbral sandal]

Assa pog for Lihuvim progress?

[violet jackal]

sure

[odd heath]

Did you try to garrote, the garrote again and let the debuff fall off? If damage keeps ticking it can be a visual bug on the debuff tracker..

But anyway it is a bug and you should submit a ticket imo.

[proper tapir]

Looks like a bug, run /dump WA_GetUnitDebuff("target", "Rupture", "player") see if it doesn't add the pandemic (you need weakauras to test this way)

[worn sorrel]

you beat a destro in overall by 3k??

[violet jackal]

with power infusion he said

[worn sorrel]

Its great anyways, i bet destro was getting it in pulls

in trash

[west karma]

nop, damage stop completely when the icon of garrote or rupture disappear 😦

thanks guys, gonna submit it

[cerulean nest]

so who's going diaper gnome?

[violet jackal]

?

[cerulean nest]

alliance race changes lol

[violet jackal]

i'm confused, did they offer free race change somewhere?

[cerulean nest]

it isn't free but the patch today unlocks cross-faction raiding

[vestal wren]

^ if your guild is allowing it, you can switch to alliance and play void elf or whatever you like

[gusty mirage]

Dear God no, boss damage

[worn sorrel]

oh 😦

[oak sky]

Would have to be a really tremendously horrible destro lock to lose to a sin rogue in overall

[cerulean nest]

void elf and mechagnome are the go-tos right?

[worn sorrel]

How do you all manage chainpulling?

Isnt it an overall dps loss for the group if you tell tank not to chainpull?

[vestal wren]

sim it

but the mentioned ones are fairly good

[oak sky]

Human is good too

[violet jackal]

human, mechgnome, troll

[worn sorrel]

NF for aoe?

ne*

[violet jackal]

absolutely not

[dusk summit]

Here is a question on everyones mind. Why do assa rogues suck compared to everything else?

[hollow river]

I don’t think that’s a question on any of our minds

[oak sky]

Depends on in what way they suck

Because those reasons are different depending on the situation

[fair vector]

Just noticed the maint. extension. She gone for the night lol

[fleet imp]

Gamers can someone provide me with a good rotation ST log? Something like Skolex / Halondrus?

[zinc frost]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/N2Zcw6DLyJvrzpPM#fight=31&type=casts&source=233&view=timeline

[ebon notch]

👀

this you king?

[zinc frost]

Noooo, was just a random high parse mythic log the homie wanted

[fleet imp]

I see that for the second vendetta he did not save shiv, is it fine cuz u gotta send it on cd or he should have hold?

Also happen that at the end of vendetta he rupture 》cp 》rupture straight after last second of the end of vendetta

Shouldn't have been better to envenom and than reapply rapture with maybe 1 or 2 seconds of down time on the dot?

[zinc frost]

We pretty much send shiv on CD now, it’ll usually come up during vendetta or during the overhang

[arctic venture]

there is some better addon than hero rotatio?

or similar, better is not the right word.

[glass tulip]

I personally find rotation helpers much more difficult to use than learning how to play the right way

based on what I assume hero rotation is by the name

[arctic venture]

yes it is.

But help when you switching a lot

[glass tulip]

fair point

[arctic venture]

help to remind some cds etc.

[glass tulip]

Addon Downloads
Hekili 9.6m
MaxDps 6.1m
Ovale 5.2m
HeroRotation 2.0m
Conflict Rotation Optimizer (ConRo) 1.6m

top google chart

[arctic venture]

and hero rotation made by aethys is really really a perfect job

Tks mavverick

Just looking another one to test a thing.

[proper gulch]

Is Crimson Tempest the way to go on Single Target even without 4-set bonus? I just started playing Assass Rogue so I don't have any big gear like double legendaries or tier sets yet :D

[hollow river]

nah not really. you could go ahead and use it to get used to it though as its probably not a huge difference

[proper gulch]

Alright, thank you

[viscid spear]

278 Flayedwing Toxin

[zinc frost]

[viscid spear]

Looking like a good thing?

Prob not, was the only option I had in GV, all I did last week was a lone 15

[zinc frost]

What other trinkets you got? Flayedwing is hot garbage

[viscid spear]

Heroic Cache and 272 SGT

[odd heath]

Guys

Pandemic isn't working at all

for ANY skill

can anyone check?

got 2 more rogues confirming and some healers saying nothing is pandemicing

[hollow river]

sec

[oak sky]

oh fuck

[hollow river]

yep

confirmed on my hunter

[oak sky]

BRUH

[odd heath]

mass bug report

[oak sky]

what fucking spaghetti code could they possibly have broken

[zinc frost]

Just in time for raid

[oak sky]

if this isnt fixed in 40 mins

im gonna

[hollow river]

LOL assa rogues get fukt

[oak sky]

i dont know what

unironically outlaw becomes bis

[hollow river]

lololololl\

[odd heath]

i'm in front of M Jailer now lol... probably won't work today

[unreal kayak]

Crying in sub using rupture

[oak sky]

sub doesnt get enough damage from rupture for it to matter that much

[zinc frost]

Assa in shambles

[echo geyser]

the inevitable future has come

embrace outlaw

[oak sky]

i dont have leggos

or a weapon

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

i do have haste vers bracers in my vault

probably better than my catalyst mastery crit ones

[uneven hamlet]

nice boss for assa rn

[odd heath]

I did the right thing for jailer rn

lol

[uneven hamlet]

i'm going sub on lords

[odd heath]

pandemicless assassin is hell

lol

[ebon notch]

is this rogue only?

[oak sky]

no

[odd heath]

everywhere

resto druid here is crying

lol

[echo geyser]

lets see if EU is lucky and fixed when morning

[violet jackal]

2nd 278 dagger

[gusty mirage]

I'll double check

but pretty sure its working

also cache trinket is fucked

this is my life rn

[violet jackal]

looks like a good life

[hollow river]

it isn't

maybe it is for you but everyone else is

[odd heath]

no one is pandemicing in my raid s.s

and some other ppl here also said

[halcyon zealot]

yeah pandemic is bricked atm, HoTs aswell

[gusty mirage]

cache is working for our DH but not me

fun

[ebon notch]

so they buffed outlaw

by nerfing assa

[odd heath]

wand is working

axe isnt

[hollow river]

they're all technically working

[gusty mirage]

nah it literally isn't

sometimes sword works

sometimes wand

sometimes not at all

[hollow river]

but whenever you press an ability it resets the buff rotation, it disappears for a few seconds and reappears as sword

[glass tulip]

I am lagging like a mofo on anduin rn

[odd heath]

i had 2x wand ok, 2x axe not ok. But yeah, not very reliable information lll

https://www.wowhead.com/news/pandemic-dots-and-hots-bugged-after-patch-9-2-5-327223?webhook

[uneven hamlet]

this is happening to me too

[gusty mirage]

ITS OKAY GUYS

WE CAN CROSS FACTION NOW

POG

what a dog shit fucking game

every time our hunters tab target the boss

it just autoshots the boss

cool

[hollow river]

lollll

my hunter doesnt autoshot dummy

[solid chasm]

@oak sky

[oak sky]

what

[solid chasm]

i did 20k dps

with pandemic shit

am i poggers

[glass tulip]

pandemic broken is making me cry rn

[oak sky]

i dunno deeny

i havent done the fight

[glass tulip]

12k dps on ST feels like shit

[oak sky]

but

i got told that

im expendable because of my spec

on the day that im forced to not play it

[solid chasm]

HUH

[sudden brook]

https://tenor.com/view/dioramoseggloshara-gif-25426460

[oak sky]

bomb. your chair. check under.

[gusty mirage]

its okay

let him have this

[oak sky]

for legal purposes this is a joke

[gusty mirage]

don't you forget his numerous meltdowns at the end of march?

[oak sky]

no

[sudden brook]

https://tenor.com/view/chad-gif-25546777

[real solar]

@gusty mirage

see this is why i quit

i knew this would happen

[gusty mirage]

because patch days are fucked?

[gusty mirage]

did they fix your tier set yet?

[real solar]

i predicted this exact day

[gusty mirage]

[sudden brook]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-gif-24272528

[oak sky]

i thought they were benching me

but

instead

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-didnt-ask-dont-care-gif-23077943

[ebon notch]

HAHAA

@oak sky stop typing

[oak sky]

they just told me i might be benched and then put me in anyway so i dont even get to skip raid

[ebon notch]

ur dead

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

HAHAHAHA

[oak sky]

now i just dont want to be here

and i cant parse

because i have to play sub

[ebon notch]

did you install parsec

i wanna watch

[oak sky]

no

you arent watching

[ebon notch]

pls :<

[oak sky]

bright side is we have a bunch of new players and trials

so we might actually kill the boss this year

oh and i got agi tea

[gusty mirage]

imagine not swapping sub or outlaw

yikers

[oak sky]

i did swap sub

[gusty mirage]

man dying a otp

[oak sky]

im not playing sin with no pandemic

[gusty mirage]

I don't blame you

[ebon notch]

now they HAVE to take my 258 monk with no tier piece

[gusty mirage]

any 265 sigil enjoyers because your 278 trinket doesn't work?

just me?

[ebon notch]

[oak sky]

bro when they took me in the disc call

i know they could tell im pissed

because i didnt say a word

for like a minute

[solid chasm]

arent u like the best player in that guild

[oak sky]

thats probably the only reason im in rn

[ebon notch]

[oak sky]

apparently other people being bad at their rotation is more valuable than having me in on any spec

[solid chasm]

[oak sky]

forced sub now so they cant complain anymore ig

[glass tulip]

im doing a million less than normal on remnant of fallen king

[oak sky]

i literally do the destro lock boss damage niche better than the destro locks

while going down

[spice spire]

man gets a taste of a buff and already clownin'

damn

[gusty mirage]

@sudden brook ay yo, concealed blunderbuss or what

[sudden brook]

yezzir

[gusty mirage]

we prepared for this day

[sudden brook]

[gusty mirage]

[sudden brook]

outlaw look spec the whole expac

0 weapons

[swift moss]

wait is cruc better than a 278?

[sudden brook]

[gusty mirage]

mood

traded away 5 poxes

to DHs and monks

unlucky

[reef frigate]

pandemic is bugged 😦

[echo geyser]

Just in time for

[fallow canopy]

everything is bugged lol

[cunning oxide]

wanted to go sub due to the bug so I tried hearthing to my cov hall - instance not found. Okay so lets try going to Zm to change conduits. Now im in a loop of loading screens.

[gusty mirage]

small indie company

[reef frigate]

Yeah, decided to log on my bank to buy consumables, now i cant log back on main...

[oak sky]

@gusty mirage im the most ethical sub rogue in the game rn

black powder casts at an all time low

[gusty mirage]

Pandemic is currently bugged. Hopefully blizzard fixes it soon. Play what you want, sin is still good in ST but less good until this is fixed. We know about it. Wowhead made a post about it: https://www.wowhead.com/news/pandemic-dots-and-hots-bugged-after-patch-9-2-5-327223. Hopefully blizzard fixes it soon.

Also, Cache is broken. Fs in chat, hopefully NA's beta test is fixed by EU's reset.

[worn sorrel]

Okay its a bug, got so scared I came super fast here lol

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage hey you arent the only one who came super fast

tell ur gf

[worn sorrel]

Lol

Damn english

[ebon notch]

dont correct it

otherwise the joke doesnt work

[worn sorrel]

I wont

[solid chasm]

my dad casts black powder less than your dad!!!!

[thorn fjord]

why does blizzard hate us

[glass tulip]

fixes tank threat -> breaks Dot/HoTs.... spaghetti code is real this time

[brave gazelle]

Blizzards ceo got gravecamped by a sin rouge in wrath and never recovered

[gusty mirage]

fucked up hunters too

remember the sbs bug late in 9.1.5?

[glass tulip]

only a little

[gusty mirage]

where if you wiped

and targeted the boss

it'd pull?

[glass tulip]

oh shiz dont remember that

[gusty mirage]

hunters have the same bug

but with hunter's mark

you just start auto shotting if you target the boss

autoshooting

whatever

game sucks

[glass tulip]

im currently crying inside, we got to P3 and now the helmet kids can't kick correctly to get us back there and kill the boss

[gusty mirage]

[glass tulip]

and we phased with anduin at 19%

so high

[oak sky]

i miss her (sin)

[thorn fjord]

cache is broken too

[solid chasm]

i need wcl to take into account the pandemic shit for me

and just let me keep my 100 parse

[spice spire]

Who is down bad worse

Outlaw in 9.2 or dot classes in 9.2.5?

[ebon notch]

[zinc frost]

I did not sign up to “sacrifice assassination to buff outlaw” not like this

[oak sky]

bro our andy kill is so cringe

lmaoooo

@fleet anchor remember how i was gonna blast on anduin, well i had to play sub because sin was bugged and then we had a tank kill

[obtuse robin]

person in my guild sais bliz removed pandemic on purpose

[hollow river]

it woulda been in the patch notes then

[fleet anchor]

lol big RIP

[oak sky]

yeah

ill come out blasting in farm

[obtuse robin]

yea thats what i said

[fleet anchor]

Today was such a shitshow server wise

[obtuse robin]

items r bugging out to

cache wasa freaking out on sasauge couldnt use it

logs r messed up to

whole raid parsing 100

[hollow river]

that happens every patch lol

it's not 9.2.0 anymore

[obtuse robin]

ah ok

do they stay like that or do they fix eventually

[hollow river]

its just like a new ladder of rankings kinda deal

[obtuse robin]

i assume yes then ty

[hollow river]

the lack of raiding going on today

a lot of those might stay 100s

like on your char page

but yeah

[fleet anchor]

Yeah for some reason they partitioned this patch even though not all that much even changed tuning wise compared to other hotfixes but whatever

[cerulean nest]

where do I paste this?

[thorn fjord]

So did cache start working again?

[balmy condor]

fuck the bugs

that is all

[balmy condor]

under your import in advanced

[balmy condor]

no

[glossy turret]

Do we have any confirmation if pandemic is just bugged or intentionally removed?

[drifting cloud]

why in the world would you ever think it would be intentionally removed

[zinc frost]

Yeah I don’t blizzard would remove it and then not mention anything officially in patch notes either

[glossy turret]

yeah I know it would be a very stupid decision from them but I was curious if they had confirmed anything yet

[balmy condor]

it's 10000000000000% a bug

[celest ruin]

are mechagnomes really that ugly