assassination

[burnt latch]

What prog are u guys?

[glass tulip]

7.7

200 pulls anduin P3, it goes down today or tomorrow

And we started April 1st I believe, so yeah just about 6 weeks of mythic now

[burnt latch]

Yeah i mean thats not that far off a 10/11 guild

Thats like what 100 pulls

10 for lords and 90 ish for ryge

[glass tulip]

Potentially, gotta actually get er done

I think lords will take us longer

[drifting cloud]

10 for lords for a guild that hasnt killed anduin is a little optimistic

[glass tulip]

We have some serial floor huggers

[drifting cloud]

probably more like 50 😛

[glass tulip]

Yep

[drifting cloud]

but yeah they deleted rygelon

so you can be on jailer as fast as like 3 raids after anduin dies

[burnt latch]

What are the average pull counts for lords now? When we killed it pretty much every guild without exception killed it in under 20 or so

[glass tulip]

US 100 is on Rygelon now

[burnt latch]

Is that like

Wr 400 ish?

[glass tulip]

So if you use that as a benchmark pretty good vs decent for other NA guilds it would be safe to assume that even with reduced mechanical difficulties that guilds are now taking more pulls than top 50

Yeah wr400 is about right

[drifting cloud]

nah rygelon is a loot pinata now, just give it a week or two

[glass tulip]

That's the big difference that I feel like I notice is wipes are less about not meeting checks and strictly mechanical failure. Over and over. And checks are only not met due to dead people

[drifting cloud]

340 kills on wcl, almost a 100 of them are from this week

[glass tulip]

Oh wow

[drifting cloud]

its very hard to wipe on rygelon 100 times now honestly

[glass tulip]

Well yeah then we better smoke P3 anduin today and be done

[drifting cloud]

they literally nerfed mechanics that caused probably 80% of our wipes if not more

[glass tulip]

Fuck that guy

What guild are you in ryler?

[drifting cloud]

pescorus, just an okayish 2day guild nothing special

we moved some raids around because were not raiding for like 2 weeks in less than a month trying to kill jailer before that, will see if it works out

[glass tulip]

Good 2 day guilds normally have some spicy players

Like Blur, those guys are nuts

You guys sound great too

[drifting cloud]

2day raiding is weird, some tiers it feels so much worse than others

[glass tulip]

I'd love a 4-5 day guild. 2-3 days is so boring, I hate having to wait like 4 days between raids

I'm thinking about raid and all of my micro optimizations so I don't forget over the break 🤣

[oak sky]

2 day would be so nice wdym

[glass tulip]

Nah bro

Give me 20 hours of raiding for 5 weeks

And then 2 days is fine

[oak sky]

Im fine with 3 days but i would prefer being in a much higher ranked guild than i am

[glass tulip]

Well yeah wouldn't we all lol

[oak sky]

A 2 day would just generally be great so much more time

1 day reclears in farm is goal shit tho

[glass tulip]

If I got to spend all the time I waste boosting into progression I would have cleared the first raid in 10.0 already

[oak sky]

Hate 3 day continuing all the way until the next tier

[glass tulip]

1 day skip farm is poggers

Get in, get loot, get out

[oak sky]

I dont mind doing early bosses

Good for parses and alts

[glass tulip]

I can't figure out how to parse jailer

Actually hard stuck 90 with my best at 97

[oak sky]

Ive only killed it once

[glass tulip]

Guess how many

[oak sky]

50

[glass tulip]

Close

[oak sky]

All curveshifts right

[glass tulip]

52, yeah

If I mess up a mechanic on mythic jailer I'm just gonna end it all

[oak sky]

Ive done some m+ boosting but thats about it

Never done a raid boost

[glass tulip]

Pretty fun

You get all the noobs whispering you going WOW YOURE SO GOOD

[oak sky]

I mean idk i would probably just do one every once in a while when i need gold

M+ is more productive because i get vault slots

[glass tulip]

Yeah that's the move. The issue is the market got fked without communities to hold prices steady

And so they giga plummeted

Heroic jailer is 275k about

And you have to 10-11 man it so it comes out to 40-50k each per kill

[vestal wren]

50k for heroic lords per person seems reasonable priced

[glass tulip]

125k for lords for us

Not sure what dawn has it set at

[hollow river]

I mean

If you compare to last tier this raid is expensive still

[glass tulip]

Yeah, no regulation

So prices are all over

[vestal wren]

esp. lords is a fight that you can easy boost

[hollow river]

11/11 is still like 1.5m isn’t it?

[vestal wren]

so if it gives 275k each kill, i wouldn't complain

[glass tulip]

995k

[hollow river]

Already?!

Was 1.5 not even two weeks ago lmao

[glass tulip]

Yeah

Yup

[hollow river]

Wow

But even sylv was like 200k by now

There’s just less available boosts/buyers

Due to finding them on your own

[glass tulip]

We are on a break for curve shifts and stuff, kind of a focus on prog and let some buyers build up their wallets a bit

[hollow river]

Yeah we stopped boosting raid

Prob done for the tier

[vestal wren]

boosting is pmuch back to pre ban wave

[hollow river]

Not in NA

[vestal wren]

if the price is higher, it is only due to a lower player/guild pool

[glass tulip]

Yeah I messaged 3 people in trade chat to compare, 2 websites and guy that directly asked if I wanted to pay real money

[hollow river]

Most people in NA actually use trade chat so it is definitely different and harder to find buyers now

EU still use communty systems and bots afaik

[glass tulip]

Yeah dawn is strong as ever

[ebon notch]

@burnt latch still in prison

[hollow river]

Just no physical community involvement

[ebon notch]

I earned a pi tho so I'm riding that dopamine wave at least

[hollow river]

Huokan is doing the same but most do not use it

[glass tulip]

Huokan is mostly a raid placement tool for raiders is what I heard about but idk

Not my problem

[oak sky]

give it to a class that uses it better

[hollow river]

Yeah for m+ too mostly

The bot connects buyers and sellers

Or some shit

[ebon notch]

Who do you think gave it to me

[oak sky]

surely not a fire mage or warlock

[glass tulip]

Fotm your way over to warlock

[ebon notch]

It was hahaha

[oak sky]

or udk

[glass tulip]

Fotmlock

[oak sky]

theyre fried bro

youre top dam

you get +600

[hollow river]

I really need to do some 11/11 runs mav

[oak sky]

they were somewhere getting +1k or whatever

[ebon notch]

Bro I'm doing several million more damage than anyone in the raid

Pre pi

[oak sky]

and?

[ebon notch]

I gain 1k in sims

[hollow river]

[glass tulip]

No one wants to buy

[oak sky]

what do they gain in sims

[ebon notch]

Also why you arguing with me

I didn't ask for it

[oak sky]

im just messing with you

[glass tulip]

Ethical pi user

Given not asked

[ebon notch]

I will clap your cheeks Andrew

[hollow river]

How much are tier bosses going for

[glass tulip]

We don't do that

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

hopefully 0

[hollow river]

Oh

[oak sky]

just run m+ 4Head

[glass tulip]

We do 8/11, 10/11, 11/11 and aotc

[ebon notch]

I've been too scared to starting boosting again

Keep hearing rumours about a ban wave inc

[hollow river]

I’m tryna fast track these alts

[oak sky]

hes boosting with guild daps

[ebon notch]

Oh nvm

[glass tulip]

If they ban me for 50 jailer kills so be it, I deserve that shit. Let me be free

[ebon notch]

Should defo sell a tier boss special tho

[hollow river]

I’m sure eu will get a nice ban wave

[ebon notch]

Bro I've never killed jailer on my rogue

On any difficulty

[hollow river]

Loool

[oak sky]

i want rmt to come back so all the good players get banned and i can be the top dog

[glass tulip]

[hollow river]

[ebon notch]

Club camel banned?? 👀

[gusty mirage]

Go to sleep

[hollow river]

Lmfao

[oak sky]

BRO ITS 11

i have 5 hours left in me

[glass tulip]

2am oxi don't you have lawyer work in the morning

[ebon notch]

Agreon vibe with me I can't sleep

[gusty mirage]

You’re forbidden from being this stupid before midnight

[ebon notch]

I've been in bed 2 hours now

[ebon notch]

[oak sky]

right because im already the top dog

[hollow river]

@vestal wren PTR release candidate?

No account wide flux?

[ebon notch]

Can't wait to see agreon on jailer

[hollow river]

[burnt latch]

[gusty mirage]

Nah bro I take Tuesday’s off

[oak sky]

you wont

[glass tulip]

Poggies

[ebon notch]

What why not

[gusty mirage]

Need to mentally prepare myself for wiping for 9 hours this coming week

[glass tulip]

We'll see Andrew in his coffin

[oak sky]

Deadge

[ebon notch]

How hard is it to learn Finnish I'm asking for a friend

[ebon notch]

Ignoring my vibe request too I see you

[burnt latch]

LOL

Very easy

[oak sky]

TAKE IT TO DMS LOSER DONT PRESSURE ME

[ebon notch]

Perkele??

[burnt latch]

Just scream curse words every 2 minutes and u fit right in

[oak sky]

but im in call with friends

so

[burnt latch]

There we go getting the hang of it already

[ebon notch]

Ouch

[vestal wren]

yes, but unsure when 9.2.5 releases. Don't think there is too much to talk about 9.2.5 related tho

[hollow river]

Yeah I was just hoping there was acc wide flux added

I haven’t read anywhere that it was tho

[gusty mirage]

Step one, learn this song:

https://youtu.be/7yh9i0PAjck

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage vouch for me so I can join liquid

[ebon notch]

I LOVE THIS SONG

[burnt latch]

I got flamed for using english for call outs the first raid I did cuz i had no idea how to make them in finnish lmao

[oak sky]

@gusty mirage get me into iktb

oh wait

[glass tulip]

Why join world 2 when you can go echo instead

[burnt latch]

World 5th

[oak sky]

world 5th bro

[gusty mirage]

Weird way to spell 5th

[ebon notch]

https://youtu.be/CAyWN9ba9J8

I prefer this mix

[glass tulip]

I forgot okay

[oak sky]

HAHA LOL WORLD 5TH XD TOP 30 GUILD NOW LOOOOL

[gusty mirage]

I was gonna link this one instead

[glass tulip]

Traumatized

[ebon notch]

No shot

[oak sky]

dude my guild actually has the world 5th brain rot takes

[ebon notch]

Blind Turkish man sings Finnish folk song in a park

[burnt latch]

Dude ngl been struggling to understand some shit have to raid without music cuz they use like a weird combination of finnish and english combined

So i actually gotta listen to what the fuck is going on lmao

[ebon notch]

Should've seen the meeting max had with liquid on their second day of jailer this reset

He was fucking ruthless apparently

[glass tulip]

Yikes

[ebon notch]

They set up a whole system which points out each individual mistake everyone makes

[burnt latch]

Did someone stream that 👀

[oak sky]

wild

[ebon notch]

And it gets catalogued by their analyst and you can see a list of it

[ebon notch]

It was a meeting so everyone had to mute

But I have my sources

[glass tulip]

Imagine if tier ended on Andy

Everything would have been okay and half the guilds in top 100 wouldn't have imploded

[burnt latch]

Sounds like content

[oak sky]

it wouldve been such a shit raid lol

[ebon notch]

Finnglish

[gusty mirage]

They 110% still implode

[bleak sky]

my sources aka james

[burnt latch]

Dude i love me some drama

[glass tulip]

Yeah but then I can cope and think about being CE in the next 72 hours

[bleak sky]

i call him james we're tight like that

[ebon notch]

Was a 15 minute meeting as well very monkaS

[oak sky]

mauricio

[gusty mirage]

Hey man wanna sign my cock?

[bleak sky]

[ebon notch]

We tried calling him jpc in raid and it just felt awful

[bleak sky]

i'm bbeing doxxed

[burnt latch]

LETS GO James!! (btw James is JPC, i can use his first name because we are tight like that. yeah i know top players but its not a big deal to me lol)

[bleak sky]

(my info is public)

[ebon notch]

[glass tulip]

I donated to Blas0n and PayPal gave me his full name

[oak sky]

0 people call me agreon in game

[glass tulip]

[gusty mirage]

I’ll call you babe if you want

[burnt latch]

0 people call me irl

[oak sky]

me want

🤤

[ebon notch]

Give number

You have a nice voice

[gusty mirage]

Yo wtf

[burnt latch]

[glass tulip]

I want to hear daps put me to sleep in french

[gusty mirage]

This is why I don’t come in here anymore

[ebon notch]

Hey don't dead me I've played with him before

[burnt latch]

Ngl kinda smooth with the pick up lines

[ebon notch]

I actually know what he sounds like

[oak sky]

hes bri ish

[glass tulip]

Okay and

[gusty mirage]

But with good teeth or?

[glass tulip]

I said what I said

[ebon notch]

Bro I've been training one of our baguettes to say a famous British phrase

[drifting cloud]

nobody has good teth in the uk

[oak sky]

send him the clip

[ebon notch]

A bo'o'o'wa'a

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

"a bottle of water"

Fucking hilarious when anyone non British tries to say it

[oak sky]

a bo ul uh wah uh

[ebon notch]

My teeth are fuckin perfect

[glass tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-meme-british-american-gif-25444423

[gusty mirage]

Do I just purge the last 50 messages or what

[burnt latch]

[ebon notch]

I can only berate you in French I'm sorry

[oak sky]

nah its history

[glass tulip]

Let quake archive it in the books

Then it can be burned

[ebon notch]

You should've seen how I shouted at our other Frenchie on rygelon

He failed his bomb for the 5th time

[oak sky]

had your foreverguy moment

[ebon notch]

"UH IM SORRY RAID LEADUR BUT I CANNOT DEFUSE MY BOMB??"

I was fuming

I hope I'm not turning into a racist

[burnt latch]

Every time i hear a frenchie talk on comms i cant help but think of anyone else than Robert Pattison in The King

[oak sky]

turning into??

[ebon notch]

Publically I meant

[burnt latch]

Cant stop whats already happened

[ebon notch]

Wtf does that mean

I hear the Finn's are very racist

Thoughts??

[burnt latch]

NO COMMENT

But dude

[ebon notch]

[burnt latch]

Not me tho ofc

[ebon notch]

Orc

Ofc

[burnt latch]

Cuz im basically british

[ebon notch]

Wtf

@bleak sky where are you from

[oak sky]

BRASILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[ebon notch]

Are they racist?

[glass tulip]

Plantain man

[oak sky]

probably

known toxic gamers D:

[ebon notch]

I've never had plantain

[glass tulip]

He is actually a large sack of cacao beans and plantains shaped like a person

[oak sky]

plantain kinda slaps

[ebon notch]

Isn't it just dodgy banana

[glass tulip]

Yeah, bananas better

[oak sky]

not dodgy really

they like

[bleak sky]

yes

[oak sky]

cook plantains

[bleak sky]

but kinda

[oak sky]

and they bang

[burnt latch]

Dude bariismos lowkey slaps

Banana and rice

[ebon notch]

A cultured Finn

Never thought I'd see the day

What are your thoughts on kebab pizza

It's the only thing the Swedes in my guild eat

[glass tulip]

That was an accident lol

[oak sky]

that shit sounds fake

[glass tulip]

Kebab pizza sounds good, but that shitty banana pizza belongs in extra hell

[burnt latch]

Kebab pizza bangs

[ebon notch]

I know it's real I just don't know what it is

[burnt latch]

Onion, kebab, jalopenos and creme fraiche

Its very nice

[glass tulip]

Banana and curry pizza, apparently is swedish too

./spit

[ebon notch]

You buy it from a dodgy Turkish man off the side of the road right

[burnt latch]

Yup there aint no pizzeria here thats owned by a white boy

[ebon notch]

Knew it

[glass tulip]

@bleak sky what is the Brazilian cream cheese pizza called

I forget the name but the Brazilians in my guild love it

[ebon notch]

@burnt latch have you seen this before btw https://youtu.be/OSacz4GHQjs

[burnt latch]

Yup

Always getting discriminated

[ebon notch]

It's hilarious why sadge

[bleak sky]

idk but the most common one is frango com catupiry (chicken and catupiry or cream chesse but not really cream cheese)

[glass tulip]

Catupiry that's what it was

[burnt latch]

Isnt that the one where he calls us weirdge

[glass tulip]

Yeah that was the closest thing they could compare

[ebon notch]

No

He's very complimentary

He says you guys swear all the time and you're very rugged

[burnt latch]

Oh its another set then where they flame us gotta watch this one

[ebon notch]

https://youtu.be/I-OOpZitfd0

This bangs also

@oak sky @gusty mirage get some culture in you

[burnt latch]

This is actually so factual aswell

[oak sky]

my guildies just asked me why i dont play outlaw Deadge

[burnt latch]

Theres like 4 series that play like this on finnish tv

[glass tulip]

Report them

That's sus

[ebon notch]

Do one pull and they'll never ask again

[ebon notch]

Oh fr

[burnt latch]

And then theres a norwegian and swedish version of the same series, with the main characters name changed from Olaf to Ōlaf to Ølaf

[glass tulip]

My details name tomorrow 100%

[ebon notch]

Hahahah

[glass tulip]

Gunnar Gunnarssonsson

[burnt latch]

[ebon notch]

I love the "allow me to slip into fluent English"

And in the other vid the Dane goes "I bet when I first spoke to you in English you thought I was actually from England"

[burnt latch]

https://youtu.be/U8M_1eyrBtQ

This movie is like that

They go from Danish to Scottish in a heart beat

And im like

Where tf is this movie supposed to be based in

Think theres some german there too

So

[ebon notch]

Going through timezones with accents to match

[hollow river]

Jailer deadge when

[ebon notch]

Bro idk

I'm actually becoming toxic in raid

I am so beyond enjoying this

We haven't been able to bug the boss properly yet either

[glass tulip]

Spike flail just killed yesterday, they bugged it

Which method did they half fix to make it less consistent

[ebon notch]

No idea

We've been mind gaming him while he's walking to azeroth

[glass tulip]

I thought the mage one they made harder

[ebon notch]

Mage one was fixed quick I heard

Cause that was like 100% success rate

[glass tulip]

So is it just mortal strike and be sadge?

[ebon notch]

It is still buggablw

But we just either haven't gotten lucky or haven't done it properly

[lilac portal]

Infinite ooze good for Sin? asking for a friend

[balmy condor]

Idk if good is the word id use

But it’s decent

Its a good choice if you dont have cache or sigil or iqd or phial or earthbreakers

[bleak sun]

nice Mists 18 here

pompin'

[ancient kraken]

[zinc frost]

Keep fighting the good fight

[misty holly]

Dude, I pumped like my life depended on it during my final dungeon for KSH this season - and still lost to all the other dps. They weren't even the overpowered meta specs.

[solid mica]

does anyone here know how to make challenger's burden and fatigued not show on debuffs, shit is obnoxious

[strange python]

!affixes

[prisma monolith]

Affixes: Fortified, Sanguine, Grievous, Encrypted

[wooden aurora]

For nadjia soulbind on the triple split section is it best to skip out on dauntless duelist for the extra potency conduit?

[zinc frost]

you could play triple potency nadija for anduin but everything else DD is better

[vestal wren]

gz

[storm onyx]

Neat, give me the boss breakdown and prio ) Don't get hung on overall much

[sour wraith]

If you're using elvui, there's a blacklist for debuffs. Idk if there's a way with standard ui

[subtle tundra]

BRO

💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

THE 252 BOOTS TIMING 30S

[ebon notch]

Ok

[subtle tundra]

stfu jailer

[bleak sky]

Now for the real question

Was it váras or was it folyr

[subtle tundra]

it was a last second touch of death

[bleak sky]

[ebon notch]

Nice hof

[subtle tundra]

say something about defile

thats how you actually hurt me

[pastel onyx]

[lunar lantern]

where does venth assa rank on the PI sheets

can only find ones that show NF assa

[bleak sky]

have you checked the one pinned in general?

[vestal wren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

my spreadsheet should have values for all covenants

[scarlet sequoia]

wait

nocco is still on jailer? @ebon notch

surely not

[subtle tundra]

he is unaware

[scarlet sequoia]

[violet jackal]

oof

[spice spire]

[light mirage]

I just got the cache trinket at 265, but the endless feast trinket sims better, my question is does it actually perform better? Getting 100 stacks for a proc seems like a lot

[violet jackal]

what iLvl is your bell?

[light mirage]

265

[violet jackal]

from my understanding bells is hot garbage

[light mirage]

My other trinket is shadowgrasp totem at 262

but that would leave me with 2 on use trinekts until i get my phial

[light mirage]

thats what i thought too

[spice spire]

Bell is not good

Cache is pretty good

Just remember to use axe always blah blah

[violet jackal]

valor is uncapped and 15 plaguefall can be ran back to back, I believe in you 🙏

[livid temple]

a little while ago I heard that Nightfae was potentially going to be the best raid covenant? was that true or BS?

[blazing pumice]

if by night fae you mean venthyr, then yes venthyr is the best

[viscid spear]

I use Cache and Totem. If rng smiles on you and you can Axe during your opener you can slap Totem down near the tailend of it. It's nice

[spice spire]

You heard that in the beginning

But then Cev found multiple increases

So venthyr is the best again

[violet jackal]

in pure single target they are the best.

I must defend me and my bone gang brethren we are the true 2 target cleave

[spice spire]

Amen

[vestal wren]

the underlying change was the implementation change of the 4p

that allowed sin to get closer to sub and some further optimizations

[spice spire]

You mean slip ahead of sub

[vestal wren]

yes

i think i also have a very good argument to use sin over subtlety

if you look at the intact from externals, sin is actually not a bad target

[spice spire]

What would that be?

[subtle tundra]

youre not a bad target fuu

for my VENDETTA

nvm

[spice spire]

Oh yeah, ig. By comparison

[subtle tundra]

for my BONEDUST BREW

[spice spire]

They are better

[gusty mirage]

FREE AT LAST

[spice spire]

Silence monk main

[subtle tundra]

😦

youre racist

[vestal wren]

😊

[subtle tundra]

just cause im vulpera

[spice spire]

Buddy wdym

[gusty mirage]

imagine hating someone who can put down a rest area on command

@spice spire you make me sick

[spice spire]

Quakewar is a vulpera gamer

[thorn fjord]

I still hate having to press CT in ST 😦

[gusty mirage]

play night fae then silly

[spice spire]

Mfers assuming my WoW race on GOD?

[thorn fjord]

NF simming less than Venth with PB

for me atleast

[gusty mirage]

oh it for sure is

for everyone

but if you like a certain playstyle more

just go for it

the extra 500-600 dps isn't worth it if you're miserable playing it

[spice spire]

It’s true

[thorn fjord]

i rather take the -160 dps loss and run Venth with PB if i was going to stop playing CT

[spice spire]

I’m losing it all by playing NL

[thorn fjord]

But i gotta overcome and just get used to it.

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

and play CT

[spice spire]

CT ST is actually something I ENJOY with venthyr

Because I’m an absolute deep fried ape

[thorn fjord]

during Vend window i got CT down.. its just outside of Vend window that i sometimes forget to refresh

I love smashing Env 🤣

[spice spire]

Envenom is so low impact I Cba

[thorn fjord]

I know but old habbits ya feel?

[spice spire]

Not playing for a month and reacclimating to raid by doing lords was a process

Dropped so many bleeds

[thorn fjord]

My perfomance this tier has dropped compared to last but still miles ahead of where i was in Castle

[spice spire]

I’m fairly comparable to SoD, we’re just progging slower and we’re a very slow guild as is

Probably slightly worse

[thorn fjord]

Yeah and i think 9.2.5 is coming out sooner than expected

That CE window is starting to close 😦

and we're only on Lihuvum at like 90 pulls because not popping balls is hard

[vestal wren]

9.2.5 does not mean season 4

[spice spire]

It’s only a week or so after 9.2.5 though, yeah?

[thorn fjord]

Something like that from what guildies were saying

[vestal wren]

season 4 is unlinked with 9.2.5 release

so for what it is worth it could be months after that

[thorn fjord]

They were under the impression that CE will be unattainable come 9.2.5

[vestal wren]

i also think that blizz will potentially want to have season 4 seperated to get people to re-subscribe for both events

[thorn fjord]

Whats your rogues name @spice spire ?

[spice spire]

I’ll give you 3 guesses

[thorn fjord]

Never know LOL

[spice spire]

You’re good

Same name

I don’t hide my mediocrity

[thorn fjord]

I'm going through an existential crisis where i think i really suck but look at my numbers and its not really that bad but i still think i really suck LOL

One of those i blame myself when RL yells at the whole group

And i'm like SHIT THAT WAS MY FAULT even if it wasnt

[spice spire]

Being a partial raid leader while dpsing is still something I’m getting used to

[thorn fjord]

Oh you're RL?

[spice spire]

Yeah, me and the boomkin do a majority of calls

For my first night I just yelled at tanks to move after puddles are dropped

[thorn fjord]

Raid leading is rough lol and definitely affects your numbers

[spice spire]

Yeah, even on early normal stuff, you can tell when I was pugging and just doing damage versus raid

[viscid spear]

[bleak sky]

boomkin shotcalling

they barely have enough braincells to function usually

[spice spire]

“Alright guys pull at 4”

[thorn fjord]

lol

[spice spire]

Our rl is a lock main, but went boomy for utility

So in reality

2 braincells

Based on class choice alone

[bleak sky]

[viscid spear]

I always forget he was a Lock

[gusty mirage]

assassination outsims sub for me now

yikers

[spice spire]

[vestal wren]

nice

[gusty mirage]

15.89 vs 15.88

[vestal wren]

oh wow

[gusty mirage]

nice though knowing it's even

so I can flex without feeling sad

except then I look at the meters and I'm sad anyway

[vestal wren]

sounds like you would sabotage your raid if you don't switch for this significant diffrence

[gusty mirage]

ye

swapping venthyr sub for monstrous soul damage

felt fucking terrible

idk why they needed a rogue for burst damage on a soul

but here we are

[vestal wren]

[solid venture]

my rl doesnt even allow me to touch monstrous soul or fiendish souls

im just omegablasting remnant

[winter kernel]

So if there's no priority target during a mythic + pull, do we just multi dot as much as possible for damage? Never spam CT right

[violet jackal]

Correct

[ebon notch]

I padded with cache

[ebon notch]

If you're assa then during up the monstrous soul is a nice DPS increase outside of CDs

[hollow river]

My sin set is like 4 ilvls higher, sick stats, and still sims lower by like 500dps

Save me

[subtle tundra]

wtf

yo gear dwagshit

[hollow river]

Nah fam

Your gear dwagshit

My sin set is like 278

[spice spire]

Monks tryna call our gear dog water

Damn

[hollow river]

Fr

Imagine playing green class

Owait I’m a hunter main now

[viscid spear]

[ebon notch]

@hollow river link sim

[mortal pike]

first sigil sims so low for me

[hollow river]

@ work

[solid mica]

Fight timer means a lot for it

[lucid birch]

Sigil bad

Unsubbing good!

[spice spire]

Mister dsnow

[lucid birch]

hiiii

[spice spire]

[lucid birch]

[viscid spear]

[late needle]

what are the pandemic numbers?

[burnt latch]

which country are we talking about here?

[spice spire]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[spice spire]

For the 4pc it’s 15%

Or just half of the 30

[echo geyser]

@late needle https://wago.io/rk2kEs76d

enjoy

[dim yacht]

whats typically the best slot to make unity in outside of tier slots? ring?

[echo geyser]

it depends on ur gear

top gear knows whats best for u

[dim yacht]

okay thanks

[echo geyser]

belt is safe before getting 4p

so is wrist

[dim yacht]

wouldnt boots give more stat value?

[echo geyser]

thats why u top gear sim it my friend

i just said safe, not best slots for YOUR gear

[dim yacht]

i was more referring to the most stat budget

i dont plan to recraft the legendary everytime i get a new piece i might put in that slot

[echo geyser]

i always do belt on new alts, free socket

isnt boots and belt same?

[dim yacht]

you might be right

which would put belt as the better one

[violet jackal]

bracer if multi spec

[ebon notch]

racism inc

i can smell it

[burnt latch]

wow

i would never

you know me im a distinguished gentleman and a scholar

[subtle tundra]

idk im romanian i cant be racist

[burnt latch]

objection hearsay

[ebon notch]

the moment you say romanian a certain G word comes up

[burnt latch]

Glamorous?

[ebon notch]

[subtle tundra]

gay

[burnt latch]

[viscid spear]

[urban thistle]

@limber lion @balmy condor do I hold shiv to line up with vendetta or do I hold vendetta to line up with my next shiv

Or rather, I assume the apl has a specific number of seconds for both cases

[echo geyser]

the latest juice was send it on cd

[balmy condor]

nope, current logic is slam on cd with venth if you have gar/rup ticking

I think also CT

but I'm not sure about it

but dots up -> slam on cd

is the logic

[limber lion]

Nah, tried it, wasn't worth

[jaunty crystal]

ye. You'll still have it during vendetta anyway (regarding shiv)

[limber lion]

@urban thistle Just slam Shiv on CD, it should line up pretty well for every other Vendetta. The normal 12s holding logic still stands, but pretty much it just means that you want to hold Shiv if Flag is up in 8s or less.

[urban thistle]

Right, ok that makes sense

I opened an apl to read after asking because I realized I was being lazy

But it's a bit annoying on my phone

I haven't played this spec since nathria

[limber lion]

Honestly just asking either of us, or even Koji, is a better choice than going through the apl

There's quite a few variables at play with the tier set and cooldown reduction

so it can be hard to go through

[urban thistle]

I see you are more willing to hold for night fae, which makes sense

I mean, you know I'm pretty good at reading apls :P

And I have to learn it all anyway

[limber lion]

Yeh for sure, Duskwalker cdr lines are just pretty awful

The floor>floor lines are a pain

[fading harness]

hey guys question, im looking at assa parses on lorrgs.io for halondrus and it's pretty 50/50 on whether or not players hold the third shiv for the 2nd vendetta versus just pressing shiv on cd. thoughts?

[limber lion]

Read 10 messages above

[fading harness]

hmm i see

thank you

[lucid birch]

[strange python]

Wait do we not keep CT up outside of CDs anymore.

I swear I take 6 weeks off and I know nothing anymore

[limber lion]

wut

that's not what we were talking about

[strange python]

You were talking about shiv on CD and whisp said as long as gar/rup are up?

[limber lion]

Yes

And whether the condition also includes CT or not

and it does not

[strange python]

Shouldn't CT uptime just be pretty high anyways?

[limber lion]

so you would still use Shiv on the target, even if the target does not have CT up

Yes, but it's not 100%

and not a requirement for pressing Shiv

[strange python]

I read too much into that and though we were back to not using CT on st during shiv

This channel makes me nervous when I go on breaks

[limber lion]

I can tell you that it is very, very unlikely that anything is going to change this patch.

Unless of course there's some balancing changes to the tier set, the spec or whatever

[strange python]

I just wanna quit

Game sucks

Rn

[limber lion]

I did and it feels good

[vestal wren]

then take a break, play alts or other games

[strange python]

Want my mount.

[hollow river]

Doesn’t it always suck

[strange python]

I like sod

Sod bosses were fun. Sepulcher stinks booty

[vestal wren]

i think it rly comes down to your guild and friends

[strange python]

Probably doesn't help that I despise my guild

[vestal wren]

the main thing in sl was the very long release cycle that dragged down the mood

[strange python]

Seems they're rushing s4 tho

[vestal wren]

s4 has no release date so far

[strange python]

I'm like 20th on the mount list

[amber fossil]

Tooltip for Chains of Dom 259 trink say initial stab is 25,082 dmg, but on a dummy I cannot get it past 18K. Can this be a scewed reason why it is simming higher than other trinks?

[strange python]

Nah but their rate of resting is early

[vestal wren]

you can make assumption on how long it will take for it to be released

[limber lion]

You shouldn't look at tooltips for damage.

[vestal wren]

did you break the chain ?

[limber lion]

Just trust the sims

[amber fossil]

ok ty Cev

[balmy condor]

Me next me next

Me get CE and then 10.0 waiting room

[strange python]

But mount

[echo geyser]

@balmy condor found u on EU

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

wai ty our eu???

[balmy condor]

yes

[subtle tundra]

we should game toghether

you can be top

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

still gaming the 252 feet on monk :((

is fine tomorrow get from vault

with avoidance

[zinc frost]

Enjoy your tokens man

[subtle tundra]

tbh these bad boys deserve a socket

so i dont care

[zinc frost]

Are you full time monk gamer now or are you still playing rogue in some keys with the team?

[subtle tundra]

the more i play monk the more i think its just straight up better...

[pastel onyx]

[zinc frost]

At least assa slaps in raid

[oak sky]

copamine receptors dying as we speak

[echo geyser]

common misconception is that ww st is bad

[subtle tundra]

hey its bad if i compare it to assa

but if i play assa we lose 10 minutes on trash gain 1 on bosses 💀

[zinc frost]

Don’t worry next patch assa will be king in keys

[subtle tundra]

you mean expansion

there wont be any class changes probably so the shadowlands dream is dead

[oak sky]

with the tier set assassination cant have good aoe

sounds like a tuning nightmare

[echo geyser]

folyr rising

just enjoy it

[zinc frost]

Yeah I meant expansion, at this rate I’m just swimming in copium for assa to be good in higher keys

[oak sky]

new talents could maybe fix the problem

remains to be seen

[gusty mirage]

like that sick new talent we got in bfa known as hidden blades?

[sinful citrus]

Would sub or sin be better for lihuvum if my guild is slow on the schematics

[gusty mirage]

sin

hold CDs for first synthesize

that's only if you like super need the damage on them

[sinful citrus]

Ok I thought Vendetta might be too long but if it dies it dies

[gusty mirage]

ye you won't get full vendetta value usually

hell it may not last the entirety of the flag window

but

it dies

[sinful citrus]

We missed it alot

[gusty mirage]

yep we did too until I started just holding for it

first two kills I'd sit on CDs for synthesize to make sure it died

fat gray parses

[sinful citrus]

I'm swapping to rogue from lock for those adds lol

Will be glad to be back on the rogue tho lol

[gusty mirage]

yeah every time I go away from rogue and come back

it just feels like home

[drifting cloud]

its because I held on pull

[gusty mirage]

it's because I held for half the fight

[strange python]

I really don't wanna go back and learn jailer. Where guides

[ebon notch]

wdym

[strange python]

I just wanna watch the mythic guide instead of having to actually learn it

Break over next week

[ebon notch]

its a long and very technical fight

regardless of how much you study guides your raid will still be learning the fight and as a result so will you

check mythictrap to see if they've updated their jailer guide yet

[strange python]

I mean they killed it I just wasn't it and don't wanna learn it through trial and error

[ebon notch]

oh thats different

[sinful citrus]

What's the best use of Cloak on lihuvum?

[oak sky]

anywhere

in a pit

or any time damage is happening

[ebon notch]

its not the greatest cloak fight tbh

its mainly like agreon said, in a pit where you're taking a lot of damage

[sinful citrus]

Cool I assumed in a pit to help a healer but haven't pulled it on rogue yet was just making sure there wasn't some secret tech

More excited for raid then I have been all tier since swapping to lock lol

[oak sky]

cant remember if you can cloak the stacks

[strange python]

Ye. I don't wanna watch the vods of the streams I was supposed to be watching when I was playing league, hence the guide request

[mystic trellis]

guys I have a question, the 2 set shiv bug with 2 sin rogues in the same group/raid still bugged or was fixed already?

[granite widget]

sin or sub for halondrus? sim a bit higher with sin but double step..

[oak sky]

you dont need double step

play what you enjoy or are better at

[opal chasm]

Friends for single target, we running Nadja with Dauntless or triple potency?

[soft shale]

remember to bind feint it is really good on jailer

[hybrid vale]

Lots of sub players in assa channel

Finally realized the superior rogue spec

[ebon notch]

Pure ST with minimum movement = theotar with haste tea

Anything else single target go nadjia with dauntless duelist

[opal chasm]

appreciate ya

[drifting cosmos]

i enjoy necro sin a lot, apart from 4p bonus

kinda feels weird to play

[hybrid vale]

Ya tier bonus makes it kinda terrible

For st

Compared to venth

I guess it was always not great? But

They needed To add a conduit that increases the bleed dmg by like 500% when the effect is on only 1 target

Of sbs

And if that effect was to be accelerated by 4pc, it would be nice

[drifting cosmos]

yea i think if 4p has some kind of aoe component would be nice

and less maintenance

[bleak sky]

wdym

sbs works with 4p

[balmy condor]

but it FEELS like it isn't

[zinc frost]

Someone copped an SBS bleed on them during lords “it’s okay you won’t notice the bleed anyways”

[hexed root]

SBS?

[mortal pike]

are we good PI targets yet

[bleak sky]

no

[bleak sky]

serrated bone spike

necro ability

[balmy condor]

we aren't good anything homie

single target simps

and that's it

[bleak sky]

i swear to god rogue is good

don;t ask for remnant damage

[echo geyser]

[balmy condor]

(I don't go downstairs) [everyone else does]

[drifting cloud]

anduin padder

[oak sky]

this me

[zinc frost]

LOL look at that destro boss damage, perfectly balanced.

[hexed root]

tyty

[bleak sky]

wdym

I go down

[oak sky]

me too

its a warlock diff (he just like me)

[ebon notch]

i went down on first

then second

then never

was pog

[uneven hamlet]

i'm about to do something sus

0.1% gain

[echo geyser]

worth it for transmog

[bleak sun]

4hr before i can open my vault

[harsh anchor]

Is vendetta/flag go time worth using it on the overseer on xymox

ever

[soft shale]

if you are taken to that place as assa comp has issues

usally the dps check is quite mild

and assa does a lot of st on boss

[harsh anchor]

I joined a new guild and they have a sub rogue usually doing plats but threw me in too. I'm cool with it but I def see an issue with my cd timings.

Including my lacklaster damage in comparison on platforms

[balmy condor]

lords dead
died on first kill

[soft shale]

dont worry fam i got an 8 we did the pussy bait strat could not even get 1 min vendetta

[hollow river]

we also killed

CALM DOWN PAPI

I̷̗͝T̵͉͐ ̶̻̽Ḧ̵͍́U̶̓ͅR̵̰̓T̵̰̕S̶͉̚

[balmy condor]

I̷̗͝T̵͉͐ ̶̻̽Ḧ̵͍́U̶̓ͅR̵̰̓T̵̰̕S̶͉̚

[spice spire]

I̷̗͝T̵͉͐ ̶̻̽Ḧ̵͍́U̶̓ͅR̵̰̓T̵̰̕S̶͉̚

[echo geyser]

@balmy condor gz

any loot

[balmy condor]

renown

[oak sky]

anduin hurts too

:c

[hollow river]

save us

[spice spire]

No man

[hollow river]

[zinc frost]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[hollow river]

when are we gonna do some keys Rupt

[glass tulip]

gz boys

we died to roster boss today, trying again tomorrow

[spice spire]

I believe mister mavv

[oak sky]

we've been dying to roster boss our whole andy prog

[glass tulip]

3 people had power outages and/or were sick and we had to end early

feels so bad to fall back a step already 230 pulls in

[zinc frost]

Hopefully this week man, when work finally stops harassing my asshole

[echo geyser]

@solid chasm

[solid chasm]

this feels.... weird

[echo geyser]

@zinc frost welcome him

[oak sky]

what do

[solid chasm]

being in this channel LOL

[oak sky]

WICKED

[solid chasm]

[zinc frost]

Dang, start grinding boi

But sbs fairly easy to use, it’s good practice to hang onto a charge of it, dump them during gemstones etc

[solid chasm]

bro this is gonna be so bad

i have 4% haste

granted im still with sub legos on

[zinc frost]

I’d probably prefer 4 percent haste than play sub on lords tbh

[solid chasm]

yeah tbh if i dont do good tomorrow

[oak sky]

just get haste + stats dont matter

[solid chasm]

im prolly getting benched bc we have like 4 people with geared sv alts

and i would have no problem w that

but i do kinda wanna relearn sin again

looks fun in keys

[oak sky]

not rn

tier set in aoe is

its ok in top

i liked it

[zinc frost]

It looks fun definitely, actually playing it though

[oak sky]

or if theres a big juicer maybe

[solid chasm]

fair

[oak sky]

it was great last tier though

giga maintaining one target is a little sus in aoe

you dont actually get to spread bleeds right

necro is a little better cuz deeper

[echo geyser]

oh trust me u dont need dmg to kill this boss

[solid chasm]

true

[echo geyser]

everyone dodge green = boss Deadge

[solid chasm]

people getting hit

= bad!!

[echo geyser]

u got it

[solid chasm]

on our first pull we actually made it past first among us

was kinda sicko mode

boss seems easy compared to anduin so wasnt sure if it was even worth stressing about swapping

but i do anyways bc i like rogue :)

[echo geyser]

u will be in pain playing sub

just play sin itll be fun

[livid temple]

For raiding what would you guys say are the pros and cons of Assassination vs Subtlety?

[solid chasm]

who has sim of their sin setup

[zinc frost]

Both are pretty good in raid, sin having a significant advantage in pure 2 target fights.

[oak sky]

like what kind of setup

st

or like

with necro 2t

do you just want to see the gear?

[solid chasm]

necro 2t

aka for lords :)

[oak sky]

lords is awky to sim

[solid chasm]

i see

[oak sky]

but it ends up being

soulbind kinda doesnt matter

[solid chasm]

but also yeah im trying to just see gear and lego placements n shit

[oak sky]

i probably wont swap gear

tbh

oh wait leggos are different

but basically its hat or legs unity boots zold or dust ring

[solid chasm]

bruh

[oak sky]

or you can have belt or wrist unity it doesnt really matter

[echo geyser]

@solid chasm

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gbqg9TtoBkSy5iVdNuQPW2

heirmir/marileth probably doesnt matter idk

yolo

i never crafted a unity for sin

[solid chasm]

thats the first thign i noticed lmfao

im talking to the other rogue rn in whispers

bc we trying to figure out wat to do

base helm is 99k

waist is 90k

[echo geyser]

legos on my server are 15-25k

[solid chasm]

i decided im copying u and keeping same unity and buying feet bc those are only 13k

[echo geyser]

71 stats on belt who cares

[solid chasm]

ye

[echo geyser]

lords meme boss

dodge = win

ill min max my sin when i do a fullclear

venthyr sin bussin bussin on st

[solid chasm]

idek the difference in heirmir or marileth

[echo geyser]

go with the one u like the most

name looks

soulbind

@solid chasm https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wmKsz2bd4gL8FjkfrZuFTT

look at that full juicer

beats ur sub right

[solid chasm]

the mastery gem

[echo geyser]

[solid chasm]

yes it beats my sub for about 400 dps

[echo geyser]

i simmed all gems

[solid chasm]

[echo geyser]

mastery is fine on sin

[solid chasm]

i didnt have time to do tw so i missed out on the ring

[echo geyser]

just farm it next time

september i think

[obtuse robin]

any1 have some shit on panth where they not dieing at 0 %?

[ebon notch]

Theotar sim abuser

[echo geyser]

morning daps

i am meerly trying to convert fellow roguers to sin

what is the matter

[ebon notch]

Oh sorry

[versed mica]

speaking of which, does anyone have the code for simming each theotar buff handy?

[ebon notch]

Ethical theotar abuser

[subtle tundra]

Fuck you and your gear

[ebon notch]

Don't stare so hard

[subtle tundra]

Sincerely, me

[echo geyser]

[ebon notch]

Goddamit ram

[echo geyser]

from #subtlety-faq

[versed mica]

thanks gamer

[ebon notch]

Ram when did you become such a gamer

You trying to take a CF spot?

[subtle tundra]

Ram do you sleep? 🐏

[ebon notch]

He has a demon schedule

Cause it's not push week yet

[echo geyser]

yeah sin cf is the next big thing

[subtle tundra]

I'm not playing this week and next week 💀💀💀bis push weeks

[ebon notch]

Sin CF but never play it

[echo geyser]

hey i did play it on lords twice

[subtle tundra]

That's literally whispyr