assassination

[gusty mirage]

don't care

[oak sky]

Yep

Just black powder to victory

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

Big number dopamine rush

[gusty mirage]

funnel's a lie

[hallow crystal]

is this what we get for laughing at sub during bfa?

[viscid spear]

*African-American Powder

[oak sky]

Let the warlock funnel

[hallow crystal]

because worth it tbh

[oak sky]

Hes better at it anyways

[gusty mirage]

ye they can use their insta chaos bolt to do as much damage in 1 global that we do in 10

[hallow crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-ron-swanson-screaming-scream-screams-gif-21763857

[oak sky]

Wont catch me on sub in raid tho sin is nice for st

[gusty mirage]

you're about to not catch me on anything

soon

[oak sky]

I hope blizzard doesnt have the bright idea of keeping our tier set though

Bro

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

If exsang vendetta is on our talent tree im out

[hallow crystal]

XD

[oak sky]

Its fun for one tier for me

But

[gusty mirage]

well luckily for you

[oak sky]

Not longer

[gusty mirage]

you can do it next tier too

[oak sky]

Thats not a tier

Its a preseason

[gusty mirage]

but think about the portals to the raids you did 5 million times in shadowlands

[hallow crystal]

IN before they just nuke one of our talent tiers and laugh at us

[gusty mirage]

wdym there's nothing to nuke

[oak sky]

Raid portals is a pretty cool concept

Tbh

[gusty mirage]

yeah

if they were account wide

sure

but they won't be

[hallow crystal]

crimson tempest so they can laugh at our aoe even more

[gusty mirage]

let them

ct sucks anyway

[oak sky]

Nuke the lvl 50 row

[gusty mirage]

remove CT

buff our ST

ez

[hallow crystal]

i mean tbh your prob right they all pretty meh and not interactive

[oak sky]

Ct is a good abilty thats on theme for the class

But

[gusty mirage]

also take whoever decided to put poison bomb into our talent tree out back

and beat them with a bat

[hallow crystal]

XDDDDDD

wtf

a bit violent

[oak sky]

Poison bomb is for sure going on the tree

Unfortunately

[gusty mirage]

:batchest:

[hallow crystal]

can they just make exsang good

[gusty mirage]

am I zooming right? Mr. Zoomer?

[oak sky]

Ye

Zooming so hard

Dont get in a crash

[craggy oak]

As long as we dont turn into big envenom play style i wouldnt mind, otherwise 4p stays, fuck envenom sin

[gusty mirage]

big true

[limber lion]

jokes on you they're nuking the entire talent tree

[hallow crystal]

i mean they still gona keep alot of it lol

[oak sky]

If only we were so lucky

[hallow crystal]

its blizz they are not original

and just gona put them in the new tree

[gusty mirage]

I wonder if envenom would feel less shitty if TtK was baseline

at least the crit part of the trait

[oak sky]

The hope is they take the best parts of all the systems from the past few expansions

And also some new stuff

Cant wait for alacrity to be on the tree somewhere

[hallow crystal]

speaking of beating some one with a bat

[gusty mirage]

you can bet your sweet tits it will be

that's what they copied and pasted into sin and sub because they forgot about rogue

for all of alpha and beta

[craggy oak]

Its not so much envenom as a button, but loading our dmg, as a bleed spec, out of bleeds and into envenom is kinda silly

[oak sky]

Knowing blizz its gonna be on the sub tree for literally 0 reason

[hallow crystal]

Xd

[gusty mirage]

I remember people guessing SL release

and I was like no shot bro

we're missing talents

then they announced release

[limber lion]

I mean that spot in the talent tree was TBD for the longest time

[gusty mirage]

and we still didn't have talents

I was like oh okay

[limber lion]

until Alacrity was just slapped there

[hallow crystal]

blizz shittin gout talents for rogue

i dont care if its good

just put it there

[oak sky]

Alacrity is just busted ass op

[zinc frost]

They should give us more “don’t pick any other talent other than this talent” tree. Really fun

[gusty mirage]

but wait

[hallow crystal]

i can see the new trees doing that even harder

kek

[gusty mirage]

you don't take it in....

nvm

you do

oh well

you don't take it if you RP as a rogue in goldshire on emerald dream

[oak sky]

If alacrity is just on a passive node i wouldnt mind it too much but if its on one of those choice nodes thats giga ass

[gusty mirage]

"Bleedspecialistxcx

[hallow crystal]

its k alac tier needs to be wiped out anyways

[limber lion]

do I get that cute green leaf if I leave the discord and come back

[hallow crystal]

who knows find out

[gusty mirage]

venom rush used to increase venomous return in legion

that was neat

[zinc frost]

Have you tried just not leaving?

[hallow crystal]

it use to be nice your right cev Xd

[gusty mirage]

don't make me fly to finland and fist fight you

[hallow crystal]

now its a husk they sucked all the juices out of

[limber lion]

that's not cev

[oak sky]

[limber lion]

smh

noobies

[gusty mirage]

true, it's an insult to the man

[hallow crystal]

thats the joke

[gusty mirage]

I'm like the dollar tree version of cev

[limber lion]

idk man

I've had beef jerky stuck between my teeth for like 6 hours now

[hallow crystal]

d

[limber lion]

not a good look

[oak sky]

Cev rules everything around me cream get the money

[gusty mirage]

want me to get that for you?

[hallow crystal]

Dollar tree version?

[gusty mirage]

[hallow crystal]

not even walmart brand?

[limber lion]

no hands

[gusty mirage]

[hallow crystal]

break his legs

dont let him

[ebon notch]

floss zoomer

[limber lion]

I did when I got home

I don't carry that shit with me

barely got any teeth left anyways

[hallow crystal]

only mad men carrying floss with them

[ebon notch]

wtf

finns have good healthcare no?

[limber lion]

yes

Finland is perfect

[hallow crystal]

good healthcare =/= teeth staying in head

[limber lion]

but people have their problems

a perfect world can still have imperfect people

free health care won't stop me from drinking soda and eating shit

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[willow kite]

What would be the go-to path to acquiring legendaries for a newly dinged assa rogue? Progress through ZM campaign asap - do I craft a legendary prior to that?

I also thought I wouldn't get the Unity recipe until I completed that campaign, but somewhere along the path an Obedience recipe landed in my bags

[fair vector]

You need to get rep in order to get the pattern to make it on a new slot and at 291.

Unity, that is

[drifting cloud]

thats a renown reward, its not the same thing as unity

[willow kite]

I guess I'm being dense, so sorry in advance, but what is the difference?

might've phrased it badly earlier

[barren coyote]

difference to what

[drifting cloud]

uhh unless im wrong to be able to equip 2 legendaries one of them has to be unity

[gentle flower]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[carmine dawn]

Unity is free legendary belt that gives you the leggo associated with your current covenant. Getting revered rep allows you to buy the memory, letting you put it on any slot of gear. Regardless it is always the current covenant legendary effect

[hallow crystal]

slowly getting better 😓

i doubt the 226 daggers are helping though

[ebon notch]

@echo geyser failed you homie

im sorry

did the best i could

[bleak sky]

no hof?

[echo geyser]

[ebon notch]

nah

slacking 3 days

and doing well on the last

just not a recipe for success

[willow kite]

Obedience and Unity is listed as two different recipes for runecarving - that combined with the earlier answer I got to my question got me confused

I guess unity just gives the same effect (if venthyr) but allows for more options in terms of what to craft it on and dynamically changing effects depending on covenant

[barren coyote]

yeah gives the same effect, (changing based on covenant) and allows you to craft on whatever piece

you got it all right ^^

[willow kite]

yeah, when I asked earlier whether "Obedience = Unity" and got a yes, I assumed it was just one runecarving recipe

which got me all kinds of fucked up when I had an obedience recipe in the bags, but I'm not supposed to get Unity til end of ZM campaign

Thanks for the insight

[glass tulip]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5p8759Nay4MFfYjvNJ11Vc

broke 16k

[zinc frost]

gz, I need a couple of upgrades and I’ll be there

[subtle tundra]

@ebon notch if it makes you feel better, 0% wipe no hof 🙂

[oak sky]

no shot neither of you

[pastel onyx]

[red plaza]

Poggers 16k Nadja sims

[barren coyote]

does nadija outsim theotar for you guys?

[drifting cloud]

no, its just umbrella uptime is a huge part of theotar and you dont get that on almost any boss

[red plaza]

I don’t think it ever does since sims have 100% uptime on umbrella and it’s like 400+ dps

[barren coyote]

sims have 100% uptime on umbrella? no wayy

[glass tulip]

so yes theo sims higher but nadj better

[barren coyote]

ty for the insight, gonna start playing nadija from now on

[red plaza]

Yeah DD for ST fights and triple potency for everything else 👍. Don’t have to worry about rolling haste teas anymore lol

[glass tulip]

or DD all the time bc lazy

:)

[brazen zodiac]

denote dead

[ebon notch]

at least i blasted

idk

only thing i can look at positively

[ashen scroll]

cant wait to play sin on jailer

[ripe sedge]

Whats the minimal Haste point for assassination?

[scarlet sequoia]

7

[ebon notch]

you will regret that statement

[ripe sedge]

I would have thought it was around 20% wow

[hallow crystal]

somehow my highest Parse too

will not question

[ashen scroll]

is the movement that bad?

[ebon notch]

its not that

its the fact that the fight is cringe

if you dont get the right bombs your dps will look kinda ass

same with the MCs

[hallow crystal]

MC my favorite

[scarlet sequoia]

it rly isnt that bad

assa felt nicer than sub on jailer

[ebon notch]

thats like saying getting punched in the left nut is better than getting punched in the right nut

at the end of the day you're getting punched in the nuts

[hallow crystal]

i mean positive thoughts

now both nuts are bruised and dont look unequally damaged 🤷

[subtle tundra]

meh, if you play it right you should never have horrendous dps loss on jailer

[ebon notch]

true

your uptime is pretty decent

[subtle tundra]

at most i'd not be able refresh at the end of vendetta

cause mechanic

but that doesnt ruin your dps

[hallow crystal]

now its just trusting your mates to bust you out of MC

[ebon notch]

jpc built diff

[scarlet sequoia]

u actually feint?

[subtle tundra]

he probably knows when a mechanic is dangerous

[scarlet sequoia]

feint is a dps loss

[subtle tundra]

and you need to feint

[ebon notch]

lmao its not that

you think after 270 pulls i dont know which mechanic is dangerous?

well actually you might not so i understand your point

[subtle tundra]

using feint when there's 0 chance you die

or just to "help" healers

is not useful

[ebon notch]

i mean

it kinda is

[scarlet sequoia]

using feint when u have cheat death ready is weak

[ebon notch]

especially if theres multiple points of heavy damage

or you get lined by pillars

or you have a ticking dot

or heavy movement

all of these cases it is important to help your healers as much as you can

[subtle tundra]

there's 1 bad movement in p2 where i always feint

and bombs

[hallow crystal]

i mean but the other arguement is faster the boss dies the less healing your healers got do 🤷

[polar cape]

Nah fuck healer they always bitch they have nothing to heal anyway

[subtle tundra]

yea true if i take less dmg, they get lower parse

[hallow crystal]

just because they bitch dont mean its true bitching.

sometimes they bitch just to bitch at the dps for fun

[ebon notch]

thats a lot of damage mitigated by feint

[subtle tundra]

yea but if i dont take dmg afterwards

for 20 seconds

why does that matter

[scarlet sequoia]

i pressed feint 6 times on rekill this week

didnt hear any healers say a word

[ebon notch]

prog kill is different to rekill

that should be pretty obvious no?

[scarlet sequoia]

let me check prog

also 6

[subtle tundra]

there's no reason to feint when you know you dont die

if an ability does 80% of your health but afterwards you dont take damage

why do you care

you get healed up passively

[pastel onyx]

I just like an animation

[subtle tundra]

very good point

[scarlet sequoia]

can press on downtime ofc

if u get a bomb u press it

may as well

[ebon notch]

if i can feint without inting my damage there is legit no reason not to

[scarlet sequoia]

well if u feint torments u are inting ur damage

[ebon notch]

like there isnt really an argument there

torment you move out most of the time anyway to make space for afterwards

shits cramped

[scarlet sequoia]

fk moving

[subtle tundra]

it aint cramped

[scarlet sequoia]

let the other melee move

[subtle tundra]

if you have good positioning

[hallow crystal]

alpha move by the way

[hollow river]

thats called being bad at game

[scarlet sequoia]

call it whatever u want to

[vast loom]

for sausage do we swap to add hard? or is it just a multi dot target or do we straight ignore it?

[oak sky]

full dot it outside vendetta

can rupture it during vendetta if you have a spare global

[vast loom]

[abstract helm]

why is edge of night so much worse on assassination than the other specs?

[harsh anchor]

From what I can tell, assa doesn't blow through as many cp to capitalize on the effect of eon as sub/ol do

[abstract helm]

that checks out

[vast loom]

shadow dmg

on sub

[craggy oak]

Its also shadow damage

[craggy oak]

In b4

[oak sky]

also kyrian

is better for the dagger

[spice spire]

We don’t produce as much CP as other specs

• sub has DD

[vast loom]

which rings do we cloak on sausage

[hollow river]

feel like i haven't seen you talk in forever

hope you're well king

[hollow river]

the triple ring overlaps

[balmy condor]

we don't produce as many* CP as other specs, watch it mr CF

[hollow river]

typically the 2nd or 3rd of those

[balmy condor]

[vast loom]

ah okay i wasnt sure if we could get 1 use in before then

this is like 1st hour of prog lol

[spice spire]

Taking the week off (mostly) just trying to help when I can this week

That being said, I’m better than expected appreciate it misternmotrickz

[spice spire]

Back to the basement papi

On my way

[hollow river]

you could really if you feel like it

no problem with it, but make sure you have it for the hard set

also i saw you ask about the add, i didn't think you were talking about prog

if you guys are having trouble with killing it, then you should definitely hard swap to it

it's not the most optimal thing to do as assa, but the add dying asap is like the only other important thing on that fight besides the ring mechanic. boss damage doesn't matter at all

[viscid spear]

Come on down

[vast loom]

so far the only 1 that is there during cds is the 1st and it dies fast enough currently the rest i full swap atm

[hollow river]

yeah depending on your comp and whether everyone is full swapping or not the first one should never really be an issue

we assigned 2 hunters to blow up a certain add, 3rd or 4th i can't remember which but it should've lined up with their CD pretty well

[vast loom]

yeah we just hit that one

[timid cloud]

The 2 minute adds get dumpstered by Hunters, I’d probs only MFD / Rupture if anything if I were you.

But the only downside of Sin there is you’re actually glued to the boss lol, swapping just isn’t worth it.

Unless the add lives hella long & then you can throw the full bleeds on it & it lasts awhile, but that’s normally really really bad.

[hollow river]

the issue is if you're progging it the add kinda takes prio over boss

but it just depends on their group

i've seen some groups that absolutely do not dumpster the adds lol

[craggy oak]

My group

My group do not dumpster the adds

[vast loom]

yeah how fast should they die

like what is not fast enough

[craggy oak]

Spawning pools

[vast loom]

so if any pools spawn

[hollow river]

they shouldn't spawn a single set of pools

[vast loom]

thats bad

oh

i see

monkaS

[hollow river]

you can definitely still kill the boss

if 3-4 pools get off max

but if the add gets a second set off, very bad

[vast loom]

it usually dies around 1st puddles

[craggy oak]

But if your guild is bad like mine, and say "smeth stop parse whoreing", "youre only doing x amount of dmg to the adds".

[vast loom]

im pumping all my gcds into them and its still not very much lol

[hollow river]

most people do not understand that assa is similar to Demo in fights like sausage

[craggy oak]

The restraint to not reach through the monitor and strangle them, and instead educate them on how sin deals dmg

[hollow river]

where fast hard swaps are just kinda bad

and less dmg than most classes

this is why i still only play sub on that fight

because sub dumpsters the adds

[vast loom]

i might try it

[craggy oak]

They just should die though if people are not griefing

[vast loom]

i mean we are a 2/10 guild on week 12

lol

[gusty mirage]

guy's supposed to be a librarian

smh

[timid cloud]

Too many add pools will big grief you later on.

[split grail]

Okay, so how is venth different from 9.1. Now that I'm doing mythic I should probably learn it

Also: I see alot of people running CT for Dasausage? Is that right?

[timid cloud]

Rotation is a bit different.

Check the pins for the breakdown.

[balmy condor]

CT is always right

Because you take it on 1+ targets

And everything is 1+

[timid cloud]

CT is taken for all content now ST or AOE

[split grail]

Ugh...I hate CT

[timid cloud]

Good old NYA days.

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

no

[timid cloud]

[hollow river]

no NYANERS allowed

[split grail]

So when do I use MfD, I see everyone is using that too

[balmy condor]

During flag

Before vend

[balmy condor]

Retweet bestie

[split grail]

Thanks, I'll have to deep dive into this it looks like

[timid cloud]

Yeah. It’s a bit much at first, but it kinda plays the same as it did last tier if you played MFD…

(Sorta not really though.)

[split grail]

But...who played mfd last tier?

[vast loom]

the 2nd pin

covers all the opener stuff

which incluseds mfd and shit

[hollow river]

everyone

(that cared enough)

[balmy condor]

There’s also this

I bet whoever made it made sure to make it nice and pretty and it took them a lot of them and they definitely don’t need the validation or anything they’re perfectly mentally stable

[hollow river]

bis rotation helper image

[gusty mirage]

damn what a great graphic

whoever made it must be cute af

[harsh anchor]

Do I just send my CDs on CD on xymox? I don't do any platforms and I get ven/flag back up at around 80% and don't get the full use of them and it sort of wonks out the lining up of them for future CD uses

[balmy condor]

yeah my dick is so big it goes from A-Z on the keyboard

[echo geyser]

hello whispyr are u finally playing venthyr in raids now?

[balmy condor]

send on acolytes in intermission works good

[balmy condor]

I'm playing in raids?

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

I'm going through an existential crisis right now

I'm watching our destro lock do 80k dps to just the remnant in intermission

meanwhile I'm sweating

for 40k

[harsh anchor]

Okay dope. Raid could probably use that, thanks

[gusty mirage]

cool game

I think they should buff destro another 5% guys

it really needs it

[echo geyser]

wl breezing through life

[gusty mirage]

really feeling that 30% buff to fok

thank you ion

appreciate it man

[echo geyser]

maybe its time to make RainofRam soon

[gusty mirage]

I asked him what he does during intermission

"Oh I cataclysm, then I havoc soul, and just push chaos bolt"

oh okay

[hollow river]

1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1

[gusty mirage]

LMFAO

IM GOING TO JUMP OUT OF MY WINDOW

GET ME OUT OF HERE

[echo geyser]

press chaos bolt

proc 4p

= profit

[oak sky]

they maintain rain for funnel too

big time

[last rover]

damn that looks really complex

[dim yacht]

can someone tell me where bonespike fits into m+ rotation? should i just bonespike anytime i would usually fan of knives if its available?

[oak sky]

bonespike all targets

[dim yacht]

assuming all targets already have bonespike

[oak sky]

and use it if ur gonna overcap

[dim yacht]

so even when all targets have the bleed, bonespike>fan of knives, right?

[zinc frost]

Bone spiking when targets have bonespike dot gives full CP pretty much. Better than any FoK gives

[dim yacht]

thats true

thank you

[echo geyser]

just make sure u have enough charges for next pack

with deathspike its kinda nobrainer tho with that nowadays

5 stacks instead of 3 max, + each spike u throw has a potential 2 refund if u never hit same targets (which is almost impossible)

[dim yacht]

makes sense

[echo geyser]

like optimal would be to end at 4 stacks after pack is dead

then 5th one is recharging while u walk to next probably

somewhere along those lines

ur fine even with less stacks cause of deathspike so dont worry

[dim yacht]

does envenom become less important in aoe as a necrolord, since a good portion of what would usually be fan of knives is replaced by bone spikes?

[echo geyser]

its not nearly as punishing when u mess up sbs anymore

well u still need to make sure to FoK to spread poison so u get venomous wounds

[dim yacht]

yeah, naturally

[echo geyser]

evenom to keep up snd or prio dmg

[dim yacht]

but the prio would still be get garrote>spikes>CT>envenom?

[echo geyser]

otherwise rupture until infinity for aoe afaik (dont quote me, clueless sin)

never drop ct ofc

[dim yacht]

my understanding is that envenom takes prio over rupture as long as youre global capped

so you get more poison on fok

[echo geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[dim yacht]

lol all good, i appreciate your advice

[vast loom]

i think that sounds like too much thought into envenom its my SND button basically lol

[dim yacht]

maybe im just still in bfa mode

im just trying to understand where to spend my CP if im energy capped, and CT is still up

[oak sky]

this but you prio your bleeds in vendetta

[vast loom]

prob another rupture unless you somehow have every mob with a non pandemic rupture

[dim yacht]

okay, so rupture>envenom if no prio target and CT is already up

[vast loom]

everything ive heard says envenom is bad

[zinc frost]

You have to time a 31 PF as assa prior to commenting sorry

[vast loom]

if you have something else useful to do

do that instead

[dim yacht]

that makes sense, thanks. im definitely in bfa mode still where envenom was a bigger deal due to azerite

[vast loom]

yeah my UI still tracks the envenom buff

like it matters

[dim yacht]

i miss shrouded suffocation and echoing blades

can we just replace hidden blades with echoing blades

[echo geyser]

i will get back to u

[zinc frost]

[echo geyser]

at least now i can upgrade all potential sin gear from m+

with uncapped valor

[zinc frost]

Ramfambo high keys with the group when?

[dim yacht]

hey that 31 pf could happen one day

the highest timed for a sin rogue so far is 29

[echo geyser]

soon i hope

this week i get more practice on the spec

[zinc frost]

Lock/monk/Ramfambo?

[echo geyser]

it would be monk likely if i play sv yes

[echo geyser]

what about my clueless pf sin key?

[dim yacht]

well now you have to do it

[echo geyser]

i got pretty sick sin gear i think

just need a 2nd 278+ dagger i think

id like maybe a nicer on use trinket tho

not big fan of cache on sin tbh

[dim yacht]

do you think any of the trinkets from the new m+ rotation next season will be interesting?

i wonder if the on use mastery trinket from iron docks could be any good when combined with shiv + CT

[oak sky]

cache is pretty nice for aoe honestly

[echo geyser]

it is true but i mostly care about st if i play sin

sigil would probably be a banger

[oak sky]

cache is pretty close in st

and sigil could end up being weird since its such a long cd

but you're the expert

o7

[echo geyser]

[ebon notch]

@echo geyser want me to optimise your sim?

i did it for jpc and he shouted at me for getting rid of his avoidance

[echo geyser]

[echo geyser]

i havent played enough keys to upgrade potential stuff yet so no swaps

[ebon notch]

smhtbh

how much mastery you running

[echo geyser]

next time i play sin ill let u know

maybe in some weeks

[ebon notch]

🧢

ur a filthy hunter main

[echo geyser]

sez u mr enhance blaster master hot hand fire dogs PI reciever

[oak sky]

heavy accusations

and its all true

[ebon notch]

[ebon notch]

i broke my record earlier today btw

[echo geyser]

[ebon notch]

loook

[echo geyser]

maybe thats ur true calling

r1 enhance gamer

since u abandoned sin keys

[oak sky]

he abandoned sin when he got tormented hero

[ebon notch]

i have nobody to play with

[echo geyser]

ur guildies seem good

[ebon notch]

yeah they have their own teams

[echo geyser]

proof?

[ebon notch]

bane plays with mordrim

and raz plays with whoever will take him

[oak sky]

m o a d

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

surely he wouldnt have a team

[ebon notch]

moad is alone

unluck

[echo geyser]

make a team with jpcpriochamp?

hes ur guildie now

[oak sky]

reroll sv daps

[echo geyser]

im gonna end up making a wl later probably

[oak sky]

jpcpriochamp fotmhunt and some random WL

[ebon notch]

im considering dusting off fotmhunt

jpc might make a monk alt and gear in reclear

[echo geyser]

its so easy to get 270+ now with catalyst

[oak sky]

im a mage player these days

[ebon notch]

i can get 275 in one week

just need people to grind 15s with

[echo geyser]

hi

[ebon notch]

mage dead spec dont play

[oak sky]

ive been having bad luck lately with vault on mage

need a weapon desperately

[echo geyser]

yessir

very dead

[ebon notch]

told you

[echo geyser]

u got 3k on ur enhance yet?

[ebon notch]

didnt push further this week

my mental was really strained for unknown reasons

[echo geyser]

conduits are calling

[ebon notch]

im 20 points off

not like i only needed 1 key

not like you have abundant free time

@echo geyser

[echo geyser]

i am a very busy altoholic

[oak sky]

i dont have conduits on my rogue yet

[echo geyser]

u not missing out on that 50 dps dont worry

[oak sky]

yeah i know

[echo geyser]

its still nice tho

looks good

[oak sky]

ill probably get it this week

do a couple 20s

easy

[echo geyser]

yeah 20s are easy if ppl got gear

prob go for a healer that actually heals tho, its grevious

[glass tulip]

mavverickwl has been waiting to be transferred to eu

champ destro

[echo geyser]

nocco taking NA members

[glass tulip]

NA?

[ebon notch]

@echo geyser we hit 3k io this week?

[echo geyser]

where u transferring from?

[oak sky]

20s are a joke rn bro i show up and spam bp

[glass tulip]

NA

[echo geyser]

[echo geyser]

facts

[zinc frost]

If you think that’s a joke imagine how easy it is throwing bombs and RoF

[glass tulip]

former pieces/method homie

[echo geyser]

i did 8x 15-20s earlier on rogue

was like 2-3hrs

needed weeklies cause didnt play all week

let see if it was worth it in 40min

[glass tulip]

bp?

[oak sky]

dont really enjoy vendetta in low keys

maybe a high halls

[glass tulip]

yeah I love having it up for 8-10 seconds before the hunters blow it all up

[zinc frost]

Vendetta on trash in tyrannical week

[glass tulip]

you going between bosses in under a minute?

[zinc frost]

My hunter doesn’t have vendetta so I don’t know what you’re talking about

[echo geyser]

show me ur sv gear

[jade abyss]

He is BM !

[zinc frost]

Sigil has avoidance too

[glass tulip]

I got all my avoidance gear too early was up to 12% at one point

sigil with avoidance is huge!

[zinc frost]

Oh hey, reminds me to enchant the cloak I just converted

[echo geyser]

share sigil plz

[zinc frost]

only if you send me some better braces, mine have mastery

[ebon notch]

278 chest in vault

lets go

[echo geyser]

@ebon notch i guess my sin bussin bussin now?

2x 278 dagger

not 285 but hey

ill take it

[ebon notch]

pogpogpog

[echo geyser]

we hate sylv daggies as sin

[ebon notch]

true

[zinc frost]

Hey look you called it, prophet ram

[echo geyser]

[ebon notch]

look how juiced my other homie is

[echo geyser]

sheesh

cracked

[ebon notch]

@echo geyser i know someone else who got the exact same dagger you just did lmao

[echo geyser]

u know how to make stuff higher ilvl in top gear right? @ebon notch

[ebon notch]

",ilevel=278"

take away the quotations

[echo geyser]

yeah i know how to just asking u cause u said u wanna optimize my sin gear

[ebon notch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/22A9HzLzFooy3CyjVi4mv8

[gusty mirage]

what's going on in my assassination channel

daps fly to the US and play anduin for me tomorrow night so I don't have to

ty

[ebon notch]

hello pls no hurty

fuck no

[gusty mirage]

BRO PLEASE

SAVE ME

[ebon notch]

you wanna know the best thing that came out of anduin prog?

[gusty mirage]

nothing?

because the boss sucks

[ebon notch]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SassyMoistAlbatrossGivePLZ-iyjg1OflXw8xhRNQ

i lost my shit

and let loose my french accent

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

[rotund oak]

🤣

278iqd in my vault btw

game says ''play assa u d@mbf@ck''

[fallow otter]

my vault iqd got avoidance

its avoiding being in my vault

[rotund oak]

ive got 19.73 avoidance already,no need more 😛

didnt realize how strong avoidance is tbh until ive went into some 20-22s

stat is superstrong

u press feint and no worries in the world

[glass tulip]

20%

I'm sweating just thinking about it

[rotund oak]

i wsa very lucky with avoidance early on

ive had 278 chest with avoidance on my GV 1st week

looted a 262 legs with avoidance on

made it 272

2nd week 278 dagger with avoidance on

[glass tulip]

🧐

So can I meet your contact at blizzard

[rotund oak]

hahaha

idk man

last tier my vault was pathetic,nothing all tier

these first weeks its raining loot

got another 262 dagger with avoidance on

the voracious gorger one

got also gloves and a ring

[austere radish]

Good Morning Guys, I'm a sub rogue main and I'm trying assasination rogue now
Is the Sylvanas Dagger BIS in the off hand or do you switch for a 2nd 278 dagger?

[glass tulip]

Swap to anything higher than 265 ilvl in your OH

Assassin doesn't make very good use of the sylv daggers ability

[austere radish]

thats unfortunate

i have a 2nd 278 dagger in my weekly right now and if dagger is useless i would take it

*sylv dagger useless

[glass tulip]

Well if you plan on playing assassin at all it could never hurt to have a backup 278

[austere radish]

thats true!
which stats do i take on dagger -> I have 2 in vault right now lol
haste + versa
crit + mastery

[glass tulip]

Sim them is the best answer. Totally depends on your current gear but my gut check says haste/vers since your haste is probably extremely low as a sub main

[rotund oak]

pins and faq got eveyrthing but no,for assa eon is not that good

[glass tulip]

Until the 311 version

[austere radish]

it was on only 100points -> 3% 2 weeks ago
now if gathered enough for 24% haste

sry if wrong channel here :/

[slim wagon]

my gut feeling would be the crit mastery, because you can easily swap a ring to fix your haste stats

[glass tulip]

Oh wow that is really good actually

[slim wagon]

but sim it always

[austere radish]

I plan to play some assassin in Raid
for 20+ Keys i will keep my sub rogue
plays much smoother in m+

[true tusk]

Good morning people, how u doing, im doubting how much need cap crit/haste and later go for take some mastery

How much crit/haste need for works well

[glass tulip]

There are no certain amounts that you need.

[austere radish]

the Mastery/Crit dagger is better, maybe because i nearly have no mastery

[glass tulip]

The most likely outcome for how your stats will end up as you get your gear will be Crit>Haste>Mastery

And is what you should generally aim for

[true tusk]

In raidbots, and all sims, say need more mastery but aparently assa in st go for crit/haste, right?

[glass tulip]

Correct

[austere radish]

Mastery is like nice to have stat but never the priority right?

[glass tulip]

Yep, Crit/haste, sometimes you'll gem* mastery but never really a stat to try to stack up

[true tusk]

Then i can ignore the sim and go for items with crit/haste

[glass tulip]

That is a good plan 👍

[glass tulip]

Don't sim stat weights or whispyr will have an aneurysm

[scarlet sequoia]

ay

[austere radish]

285 dagger ❤️

[glass tulip]

Huge vault holy

[rotund oak]

congrats Raz poggers

and that is a very s@xy vault

first sigil and bis neck as well i think

[glass tulip]

World killer iris probably puts up a good fight but I couldn't say for sure

[rotund oak]

yeah most likely jailer neck is better

but ye,that vault

me like

[scarlet sequoia]

jailer neck is bis for sure

[rotund oak]

ye its tirple stat

[scarlet sequoia]

mastery kinda crazy for assa

😏

[pastel onyx]

[rotund oak]

U cleared SFO aight?(mythic jailer and all)

[scarlet sequoia]

yeye

[rotund oak]

poggers

[marble hemlock]

Any Raz sims?

[echo geyser]

waiting for 285 dagger sim

[vestal wren]

nice

[echo geyser]

raz went to bed without showing sim

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/guPvwvqGVSkNqkQ72qDn6m take this instead

[vestal wren]

nice

[ebon thorn]

still have yet to see a 278 dagger in my vault

[echo geyser]

i just got my 2nd today @ebon thorn

it aint no 285 but not bad tho

[ebon thorn]

..

[echo geyser]

[ebon thorn]

bro like

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5mBv1zorJyWNuhYWFLP5BL

This is what im running

[echo geyser]

shit 272 and 265

[ebon thorn]

im down bad on the dagger side

[echo geyser]

just play sub with 2x 259 sylv or

[echo geyser]

u down astronomical on the sin side

[ebon thorn]

farming valor later today...

but yeh, no daggers and no melandrus ring

should probably stop inting and just play sub

[fallow otter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9JKR7V2Zn5LnMmjBWVgjo5

[wild edge]

My guild want me to swicht for lords mythic to assa. Since it seems to be better. But i am not sure which legendary i should pick. I saw both in logs. Zoldycks or duskwalker ? And why?

[fallow otter]

just loot it ram 😄

[ebon thorn]

idk

[glass tulip]

zoldyck because duskwalkers makes timings very bad

vendetta on 2 mins during swarm phases is just better

[jade abyss]

All that hot sin rogues here 😍

[echo geyser]

[glass tulip]

playing necro, necro zoldyck is the numerically correct choice

[subtle karma]

Also while speaking about lords, what is the go to : heirmir or marileth? Sim myself?

[glass tulip]

both work, I think technically marileth is a tiny bit better but people are more used to hermeir from m+ or something like that

[solid mica]

Id assume it's easier to use kevin during burn phases

[wild edge]

Thank you.
Yeah necro was clear, i think everyone plays necro on that boss

[glass tulip]

I personally prefer hermeir because I like the gemstone crit windows

[solid mica]

is double on use the way for lords?

[limber lion]

Why would it be

Swarm lasts for 20s, trinket cd is 20s

[echo geyser]

[solid mica]

For each swarm?

How far apart are they

Like 2 min?

[vestal wren]

first one is around 53 secs, then 2 mins yes

[trail orchid]

Hey guys, just wondering why IQD should be great with Vent -> "With Venthyr, IQD becomes very powerful"

[limber lion]

Because we want crit from IQD which is highly valuable for Venthyr

More crit = more combo points = more flag stacks = more cdr

[trail orchid]

how reliable can i proc crit for IQD?

[limber lion]

100% if it's your highest stat during lust.

[trail orchid]

nice, thanks alot. ❤️

[ruby oyster]

Yo anyone knows if shiv works with this anima power? https://www.wowhead.com/spell=343237/boiling-poison-sores

[scarlet sequoia]

16.5 with nadjia

my gear is weird tho, im using 5 set

not a big fan of that

[analog glade]

oO

Any link plz ? @scarlet sequoia

[scarlet sequoia]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dMZPzmekBwCLLfTyifgz9e

[echo geyser]

actually i wasnt even that far behind

ah

u didnt sim theo with haste tea

thats like

some 100s dps

[scarlet sequoia]

ye 144 dps increase using theotar

needs to be a shade uptime option on raidbots tho

[vast vault]

!snapshot

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Flagellation, Euphoria), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[vestal wren]

@scarlet sequoia https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bNYAcJ8ARsYaM3LomXdf52
shadowlands.soothing_shade_duration_multiplier=0.66

[echo geyser]

yeah then nadjia already same i think, but i guess that can also over sim

in the end its probably whatever

wishy washy

[warped latch]

btw just a quick question that probably was answered already - do you use the bleed or haste part of the cache as assa on st?

[echo geyser]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[warped latch]

Thanks much ❤️

[onyx crane]

quick question... that chainst trinket from the jailer... is it ACTUALLY any good?

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vohSLHmiAm2MDJXwBiTq4o

to compare nadja/theo with 2/3rd of umbrella uptime

[onyx crane]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3euz9jQCGzUU9sWLxCyVVS what should I pick :C

[echo geyser]

head has socket?

[onyx crane]

yes

[echo geyser]

sounds like a good item to me at least, if u have 2k m+ score, 272 items (dagger in this case) isnt worth anything

i cannot speak for chain i never used it nor have it to sim

but i think most ppl run cache/sigil/iqd + phial for st

[onyx crane]

the chain needs you to run away wich is a bit of a catch

[echo geyser]

yeah it prob oversims a bit due to that

esp on sin

cause u dont have 2x step

[onyx crane]

yeah now all i need to get dagger ¬¬

luck be damned

so use the head an keep it or convert it to tier?

[echo geyser]

top gear it, seems like ur chest is lfr

so if u have a base 262 chest i bet u making head into tier is the move to keep the 4p

but sim t o make sure

can always just use base head then convert later if u need 4p etc

[onyx crane]

I have 5 tier pieces equiped

[echo geyser]

yep i see

[onyx crane]

so keeping the head as is won't break anything

[echo geyser]

haste generally sims better than vers anyways on st

my sin gear also has 5p eq atm

[onyx crane]

that neck btw... is that good for sin?

the one from gambit

I think it's gambit

[echo geyser]

ur neck is from halls

[onyx crane]

no the one from vault

[echo geyser]

ah haste vers

uhm not for "bis" pve st at least

its very nice for pvp tho

[onyx crane]

halls neck good?

[echo geyser]

dunno, should be fine

p much all stats are good for sin

crit haste mastery being the higher ones in general

[warped latch]

halls neck is good if you lack haste

[echo geyser]

for ST

[onyx crane]

I always lack haste :3

so is the chains a sim trap or no?

[warped latch]

could be, never seen assa run it personally

i guess in long run its not worth

[onyx crane]

I have earthbreakers too but it is a pain to use since you HAVE to run over all three circles to get the max out of it

[burnt latch]

I mean u running out of melee range to break the chain is probably accounted for in the sims, but its very unpractical to use, played with for one raid cuz it was simming well and dumped it

[warped latch]

well what i mean is in the end you wanna run phial + sigil/cache/iqd as ram said

at least on st

[onyx crane]

so a 278 head with socket is better? I mean not a huge upgrade but free socket is free socket

[warped latch]

and you can farm phial + iqd if you have time

and since valor is uncapped its easy to get them to 272

[onyx crane]

can't really go wrong with a socket

[warped latch]

do you raid mythic?

[onyx crane]

nah

[warped latch]

well then that's your only chance for 278 head as well

[onyx crane]

I'd like to but I am not a high skill player

too clumsy

[warped latch]

so that's also that

i'd get the head, 278, free socket, can change it to tier later if you need

and you can farm the "bis" trinkets from dungs

[misty holly]

Do we know which items will be best to spend our 3 tokens on next patch?

I'm guessing 2 sylvanas daggers, but maybe only 1?

[vestal wren]

2x sylavans and possibly fusion amp

i am btw. not saying its to early to ask

(even tho it is)

but you will have at least 3 weeks before you can buy your first one i assume

(3 weeks after the patch comes out)

[misty holly]

Some of the CN trinkets had effects that got stonger the more people had it. With this token system you could equip the whole raid at once, or at least everyone of that stat type.

Wonder if those will make the cut

Like memory of past sins or stone legion heraldry

[hot vapor]

Think that capped at 4 others if I recall, wasn't those limited by party size rather than raid

[glass tulip]

right, it would only be 1 raid group that is necessary

for instance, your casters will all be able to guarantee a cabalist's hymnal group or two

big juice

[hasty crater]

As sin you want 2x278 dagger right ? Preparing my sin for lords. So checking if i should get a second 278 dagger

[rigid tartan]

difference between 272 and 278 offhand is not big

[gusty mirage]

trinket choice is really the one thing that’s kinda hmm right now for us, but guardian trinket was enormous for us

Maybe dfv?

[vestal wren]

ye

unsure if fusion is best, but maybe we have a lot options

[harsh anchor]

I’m gonna miss my faulty

[vestal wren]

it did sim fairly good when i simmed trinkets on max itemlevel

[gusty mirage]

I’d assume end of raid boss items will still be higher ilvl?

[rigid tartan]

isnt it possible that we get legion timewalking again in next season?

[harsh anchor]

Ye isn’t it like 304 and 311

[gusty mirage]

Depends when the new season actually starts in alignment to the next timewalking

[vestal wren]

going from the vendor, it seems like it

[gusty mirage]

It’ll be a shit show for sure

[vestal wren]

i assume the aa ring will stay with us

i don't think it will be that bad

[odd heath]

Did you also sim the new m+ rotation dgs trinkets for 9.2.5? There are some new possibilities.. eye of command, mechagon trinket

[gusty mirage]

The spreadsheet is going to age you 20 years next tier fuu watch

[odd heath]

I believe eye of command can be pretty good

[vestal wren]

haha

[gusty mirage]

So many combinations of gear

[vestal wren]

only took a bit more of a week of my spear time to create this version initially

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

i think it won't be that bad

mythic+ just changes

weapons, i only rly need to sim for outlaw mainhand

sylvanas

[gusty mirage]

Trueee

[vestal wren]

and a lot of trinkets fall out

[gusty mirage]

It’ll be interesting to see if the sylv bow ends up on the vendor

[vestal wren]

mythic+ items from the old dungeons are fairly meh

if i remember correct

[gusty mirage]

Given that it’s legendary

[vestal wren]

moment

[gusty mirage]

Mechagon rings should be purty good, can’t think of anything else from that dungeon that’d be notable to run after

[vestal wren]

eye of command

maybe

[odd heath]

That on use trinket can be good for pvp maybe

[vestal wren]

but it is basically a crit stat stick

[odd heath]

The unicycle trinket

[gusty mirage]

No chance anymore

You need the the bonus from the pvp trinkets

[rigid tartan]

that was so genius of blizzard with the motorcycle finisher trinket in pvp. SO enjoyable to play pvp with

[odd heath]

Oh, I see

[vestal wren]

loging into ptr

why is it green

[rigid tartan]

sad they gutted it and made their boring pvp trinkets instead of the route with that one

[gusty mirage]

Nothing to see here, working as intended

9.2.5 is designed to be burned into your retinas confirmed

[vestal wren]

does not look like raes is on the vendor

unless it is filtered out when not on a hunter

[drifting cosmos]

i remember the old eoc farmings, good old upper

[vestal wren]

don't think it will be that good

[drifting cosmos]

yea a lot of on-use dmg trinket is so good in SL

[gusty mirage]

The trinket or the dungeon?

Because fuck that dungeon

[drifting cosmos]

at least it was a short one

lower was kinda nightmare

[vestal wren]

upper was a assassination dungeon back then

[gusty mirage]

I can’t wait to watch people die to the spaceship

[vestal wren]

👀

[gusty mirage]

Bro there isn’t anything that’s a sin dungeon with this 4pc

[vestal wren]

i can't wait for iron docks, the boss with the blood shield

[gusty mirage]

Oh god

No pls

[vestal wren]

when pepegas will just heal the boss up

[gusty mirage]

Who the fuck voted for iron docks

[violet jackal]

I can't wait to experience all these dungeons for the first time 🙃

[vestal wren]

or the other one where you need to free else the chocked palyer dies

[gusty mirage]

Reveal yourselves

[vestal wren]

or the last boss when people die to cannon attack

[gusty mirage]

Going to be a great tyran dungeon for sure

[vestal wren]

the dungeon has a lot of fun mechanics, that will make pugs great

[gusty mirage]

Good thing we get 2% of a secondary stat

What a great affix

By the end we can get up to 20%

OR MORE

[drifting cosmos]

creativity at finest

[hollow river]

Are you ready for sub to slap even more

[gusty mirage]

I’m ready for my sub to run out

That’s the sub I’m ready for

[hollow river]

Same

Kinda donezo with rogue ngl

[gusty mirage]

Hopefully my subscription lasts long enough to watch these apes fuck up upper kara, and all of mechagon

[hollow river]

Getting a bunch of 60s ready to decide new class in 10.0

I’ve never done those old dungeons

Bet my hunter slaps em though

[gusty mirage]

If you get an upper kara key on tyran

It’s just a go next

Don’t even bother

[hollow river]

Lol wtf

[gusty mirage]

You’ll see

Or junkyard

Where a wipe is rip key cuz you lose all your bots

[violet jackal]

@hollow river are you not joining the dragon army?

[drifting cosmos]

🤔 i think they gotta tune so much in pre BFA dgns to be proper m+ dgn

[strange python]

some trolls voted for docks because they thought they are funny, now those trolls have to play this dungeon too, they didn't think this one out 😄

[brazen zodiac]

nooo

[violet jackal]

I think there was some transmog from iron docks people were excited for or specific pull. there was an article about it a month ago

[hollow river]

I highly doubt it lol

I’m notorious for hating any classes they’ve added to the game since DKs

[kindred heron]

@gusty mirage how are you sending CDs on anduin? We started getting to intermission yesterday (bless blasphemy nerfs) and vendetta/flag just barely don’t come up in time for a full 2nd use on the remnant

Do we just SLAM the mob anyway for 10s of CDs?

[gusty mirage]

I’ve been holding for fear adds, but since the nerf that just feels like a huge waste now

Because they legit just melt lol

[glass tulip]

I rip anduin and dot up from reflections

[gusty mirage]

Yea that’s what I’m thinking because we’re just short of where we’d like to be on boss damage

So any little bit helps

I’ve been given the green light to straight focus remnant tho

[glass tulip]

Also can also do this really degenerate strat where you send 3 sets of CDs on anduin before intermission

And instead of getting vendetta on the beginning, you actually are ending the intermission with it

[gusty mirage]

Yea I’ve tried that but then intermission just feels wonky