assassination

[vestal wren]

so if you want to use a different slot or a max itemlevel legendary
you can with enough reputation buy a blueprint from the vendor in the zone

and unlock it like any other legendary power but account wide

(this means you can if you play a new character also not do the campain but just craft the legendary)

[pearl ingot]

ty fuu

[pastel onyx]

Correct me if Im wrong, we prioritize upkeeping CT outside of shiv, and in shiv window we do as many envenoms as we can

I am too dumb to grasp the idea of pooling

If its not outdated ofc

[zinc frost]

Pre 9.2 we did but with 4 set we keep up CT at all times including during shiv window

[pastel onyx]

Okay, ty

[cloud reef]

You cannot keep CT up at all times

It’s normally a ~70% uptime

You always prioritise rupture and garrote

[zinc frost]

I mean.. the question was regarding CT during shiv or envenoms which you should always want uptime on as much as you can, using envenom as filler/snd refresh. The only time it should only drop is normally during vendetta window

[pastel onyx]

Prioritizing rupture and garrote sounds like an obv thing to do

[cloud reef]

Yeah but my understanding is there are situations where you envenom over CT which is the main reason it naturally drops to a 70% uptime

[zinc frost]

Where are you getting 70 from?

This is Skolex for reference

[cloud reef]

Just when I was looking at Cevs logs it obviously varied but the handful I looked at were in the 70s

[violet jackal]

Definitely can do Better then 70. 85 is probably the upper limit

[cloud reef]

I’m not doubting you can but if you’re in that region it’s at the expensive of other things and cev seems to not think it’s worth

it just comes down to not wanting to forcefully apply CT

[zinc frost]

At the expense of what though? There’s no reason to not maintain CT as a dot

@limber lion thoughts?

[limber lion]

You're looking way too much into it. You just follow normal pandemic rules when it comes to using CT. You do not want to forcefully apply it. If it drops, it drops.

It doesn't really matter if it's 70% or 80%, every encounter and fight is different.

Some Skolex logs I have CT at 85%, some of them are at 72%

It's just so low on the priority list that it doesn't really matter. Things like stacking up for Skolex taking 3s longer than usual will mean that all of your bleeds will have ticked for 3s longer, meaning that your CT has been off the target for longer and you would need to reapply garrote/rupture much earlier than on some other pull.

Resulting in a much lower CT uptime

As long as you don't forcefully reapply it ever and only reapply it when it's either in pandemic or has dropped, then you'll be fine.

Keeping in mind that the priority is:

Slice > Garrote > Rupture > Shiv > Flag > Vend > CT > Envenom

[zinc frost]

Yeah perfect - just didn’t want people to think that because your logs are at around 70 percent CT on some fights it means you aren’t casting it for some reason and that’s the uptime number to strive for.

[odd heath]

Cev is red now again :o

[empty hinge]

[limber lion]

had to ask for a vacation :P

[glass tulip]

My CT uptime on skolex was also about 87%

[violet jackal]

to be expected from such a phenomal player keep it up King

[willow kite]

Is using CT on ST something that comes with prerequisites, or is it always the go-to?

for the dot, ofc

[violet jackal]

For venythr it is always the go to

[red tinsel]

How do you guys open for maximum Flagellation stacks?

Build 5CP > Flag > SnD > MfD > Rupture > Mut for 5 > Env?

[polar cape]

do i let them fully expire the last rup/gar after vendetta expire or i can refresh pandemic them?

[violet jackal]

did you check the pins?

[violet jackal]

bleeds from vendetta let fall off

[polar cape]

Kool thx

[brazen zodiac]

godspeed

[dark token]

No Hof for us I don't think we can get jailer down in 1 more raid day

[violet jackal]

not with that attitude, i'm sure you all have the gear, just remember boss dies if you all don't die.

[fair vector]

During M+ do we rupture and garote every target in a pack or just open with the 3 gar and one rupture then CT the pack down? I read the guides but just curious what others do?

[balmy condor]

They probably do what the guide says because it’s been shown that spamming CT sucks

And if they don’t do that, they wouldn’t be here, because the circle of people that don’t follow well established theorycrafting and the circle of people who are also in ravenholdt has an incredibly narrow overlap

[fair vector]

Got ya. The icyviens guides says word for word to use fan of knives and CT whilr maintaining 3 gar and the prio target rupture.

Im just confused on knowing when to swap from getting bleeds applied to new target and when to fan and spam CT.

[violet hemlock]

U never spam ct... if all targets are dotted u can use an envenom I guess but unlikely u keep dots up on all targets on a decently size pull

[fair vector]

So always fill all targets with bleeds before even hitting the first CT?

[rancid granite]

(With snd up) Gar, gar, gar, rupt, mfd, ct, fok, (fok), rupt.. etc

[violet hemlock]

no u hit ct and keep the dot up

u just dont spam ct

[rancid granite]

Maybe 4x garr

It depends on the key, size pack, overall dps/aoe

[fair vector]

Prob a crazy question but wtf is mfd

[violet hemlock]

marked for death

[winter vapor]

Marked for Death, talent row with Vigor and Deeper Strat as other optoins

[fair vector]

Got ya. Didnt have it specced so didnt see it

[burnt latch]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-sl-3/11573534-28-tazavesh-streets-of-wonder

First proper key as Sin this season went pretty well

[hollow river]

Did you guys go left?

After 1st boss

[burnt latch]

yeah

idk I just really dont like sub in that key

theres so much downtime on the bosses

think sin is the way to go on tyran esp if u go left

[hollow river]

Yeah I think it just comes down to how you can pull everything

[burnt latch]

yeah pretty much

[ebon notch]

any 95% CT uptimers?

[pure moth]

Yup

[subtle tundra]

yo guys

what series do i watch during jailer prog

really need someone to come in clutch rn

[echo geyser]

now show garrote and rupture

oops already deleted the evidence

[ebon notch]

im spending literally 50% of the fight between 4-20 seconds of SnD

[scarlet sequoia]

and 100% uptime on jailer all week

[ebon notch]

wait you guys arent dreaming of p3 jailer wipes?

[scarlet sequoia]

nocco is pretty desperate

no shot u guys are getting hof

[ebon notch]

i mean

thanks for the support ig

[subtle tundra]

he just spittin facts

[ebon notch]

ill spit in ur mouth

[scarlet sequoia]

sheesh

[echo geyser]

jpcpriochamp is helping

[scarlet sequoia]

think i'd prefer anything else than a 270 rogue

[echo geyser]

[scarlet sequoia]

its definitely looking rough

[fleet anchor]

I'm dreaming of 10.0. Feels so far away. 🤣

I don't want to wipe on this tier any more

[vestal wren]

what was your best pull so far

[willow saddle]

Hey, When do you guys play Nadjia over Theotar? theotar is currently simming 90 dps higher than nadjia for me

[storm onyx]

Always. Theotar sim assumes you never move; so shade uptime is 100%, which is unrealistic in game.

[subtle tundra]

no, in m+ is theotar cause thrill seeker is bad

procs at end of packs, you lose stacks between packs

[storm onyx]

Ah right

[willow saddle]

Do you hold cds for thrillseeker or just play like normal?

[burnt latch]

@ebon notch i believe

today a little peak into p4 tomorrow kill

[ebon notch]

idk its just

random deaths

cant play around that

[storm onyx]

i just play normal

[ebon notch]

our ranged need to shape up a little and then we can kill

[burnt latch]

ye but i mean u guys have done like 2 weeks worth of prog in one week, with people that arent used to playing that much

tend to lose focus more

in those scenarios

[ebon notch]

ye ik

the prog is definitely there

which is surprising with such an increase in raid time

usually people have to be used to it to actually benefit

[burnt latch]

yeah its not looking insanely possible but it isnt looking impossible either. if u guys actually manage to snipe this hof its actual goat achiev

gonna feel so nice

[ebon notch]

tru

but also the inverse if we dont

[burnt latch]

i mean atleast then u know u couldnt have gotten it u know and just gotta bow down

its gonna feel less bad that way than if u didnt do additional days and were like "i think we couldve gotten it if we extended"

[brazen zodiac]

gl man

[ebon notch]

uwu

[ebon notch]

true

it should still be a big WR jump

which none of us expected tbh

considering how fucked our earlier prog was

[burnt latch]

yeah for sure

but we believe

hof ez

[scarlet sequoia]

[ebon notch]

oh wait youre that raz

lmao

[scarlet sequoia]

which one

[drifting cloud]

the razest raz

[brazen zodiac]

snazzest raz

[red tinsel]

With the 4pc Crimson Tempest is standard?

Even for single target?

[hybrid vale]

Of course.. what are you gonna do ...4k dmg wit poison bomb 10% of the time kekw

pb undertuned

[violet jackal]

as venythr yes

[hybrid vale]

no EVERYTHING

ninja panda

[violet jackal]

mmmm i'd hard disagree if we are talking pure single target

[hybrid vale]

i dont make the rules man

[violet hemlock]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[violet jackal]

statistic show the 3 covenant with better success as poison bomb on skolex and halondrus. Pretty sure anyone who brings crimson tempest on those fights just didn't feel like using a tome for 150 dps difference

[violet hemlock]

statistically ct is better... most ppl just are lazy and thus dont play pb

[brazen zodiac]

huh

[red tinsel]

I haven't played Assassination since WoTLK and been back and forth through Outlaw and Sub last expansions. Haven't seen lots of Sin for AoE though, is it competitive with Sub on Mythics too? Or at least better than Outlaw?

[brazen zodiac]

hi panda

[violet jackal]

[hybrid vale]

wouldn't the lazy thing be to play PB?

[violet jackal]

no, because outside of those 2 bosses every other encounter has a 2nd or more targets up for a decent portion of the fight which is where crimson tempest will come out ahead

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ayuC9XDfYponjGLzFkyNRj I'm necrolord poison bomb is just better for us in PURE single target

[dark token]

Why Necro?

[subtle tundra]

if you play pure st why are you necro

venthyr is also better than necro overall in the raid

[violet jackal]

Bone spike is fun

also it's easier to raid lead not worrying about syncing 3-5 abilities

[subtle tundra]

well

i didnt know this was a thing about fun

venthyr is more fun for me

[dark token]

Venom rush is more fun for me

[subtle tundra]

doing good flags and snapshots feels good

[violet jackal]

well I have no friends, knowing that the homie kevin is by my side warms me up a little

[violet hemlock]

😄

[subtle tundra]

all good and all until he ninjas

[craggy oak]

Fuck kevin

[subtle tundra]

yes i will fuck him rn

im on disc with him

[sturdy mesa]

😳

[hybrid vale]

it'll be gone soon bud

then what will you do for fun

[pastel onyx]

[violet jackal]

is going to one of our talents in 10.0

[chrome peak]

Hey guys, I'm trying to look through my Heroic logs via things like Wipefest and Wowanalyzer, is there a tool that's really helped you improve besides these two? I, of course, also read through the logs themselves, but I'm missing like 3k DPS and idk how to improve, there must be something fundamentally wrong, but I have no idea what it is.

[harsh anchor]

Reskinned boner spikes into reworked Deadly Throw ability

Ez

[halcyon zealot]

posting ur logs here and letting people rip them apart will do more for u than any website, also wowanalyzer is dog shit

[violet jackal]

first thing I would check are rupture. garrote, slice n dice, deadly poison uptime you should be able to sustain 95% if not higher of these

next i look at major CD casts ( vendetta, flagellation, vanish, shiv) did you miss a cast of any of these? were they properly synced

also check combo points wasted you effectively can reach 0 shoot for less than 5 wasted per 5 minutes

[chrome peak]

Ty

I might post some logs, but I'm really sensitive lol

[hybrid vale]

why

it's not like something you can't change

if its bad

[vestal wren]

just change your point of view

[halcyon zealot]

people don’t really roast here, most people are really helpful

[vestal wren]

everyone makes mistakes, if somone else points them out you can improve

[halcyon zealot]

unless u shitpost every day then u are subject to getting roasted

[hybrid vale]

the game is easy enough that every1 can do cev level dps with practice

[vestal wren]

there is nothing wrong with that, and nobody will make fun of you for making a mistake

[chrome peak]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LRPfcyV4FJZna9kb

Ok, here's the last raid (Rygelon is progress and Anduin is an extremely painful rekill)

I won't post today's since it's just 28 wipes on Rygelon and agony.

[red tinsel]

having a noob moment here... but since when is Garrote usable outside of stealth?

[winter vapor]

ah I remember that sensation, answer is i dont know, but yes it is

[red tinsel]

I just want to go outside and tell everyone how amazing that is, but I feel like I just left a cave

[loud light]

usable outside of stealth is a 7.0 change (legion)

[vestal wren]

^ the specs got reworked at the start of 7.0

funny enough both garrote and ct did exist on other specs too in wod

[strange python]

hey guys, is simming for 2 targets at raidbots reliable? (necro assa for lords)

[vestal wren]

yes

but 2 target patchwerk does not include the vulnerability phase, and hence might not help you a lot when trying to evaluate lords

[strange python]

yeah this was i thinking about, if its still reliable with these phases :/

and do u know why they are playing marileth/heirmir?

[vestal wren]

because it does the most damage

[strange python]

yeah I meant some of them are playing marileth and others heimir

if its almost same or why going both

[subtle tundra]

bcs they are close enough where your gameplay matters more

100 dps or whatever out of 22k

and people just defaulted to heirmir since that was the play last season in m+ if you were necro

[strange python]

I see, thank you very much

[solid mica]

If you fleshcraft with Merileth can u avoid being feared by puddles on lords?

[violet jackal]

i would believe so

[hallow crystal]

just trying to craft my leg and what a cruel joke

[glass tulip]

Back to torghast for you, boy

[ebon notch]

we still ramping

day after day

[hallow crystal]

end my suffering please

its hurts so much

[ebon notch]

@glass tulip say nice things to me please

my mental is in tatters

[echo geyser]

last day tomorrow?

[echo geyser]

thought u said u can raid everyday

[ebon notch]

its not the hours

its the lack of prog

i could raid every day if we made progress every day

its when your eyes start glazing over and you're on full auto pilot

thats when it gets too much

[echo geyser]

hang in there

at least u eating good at night?

[ebon notch]

achievement unlocked

aggro problems

[ebon notch]

eh

the usual

the good stuff is waiting for after we kill

[hallow crystal]

FREE

FREE FROM TORGHAST HELL

[ebon notch]

[scarlet sequoia]

how many pulls are u at now @ebon notch

[obtuse robin]

no flux buy the mats?

[ebon notch]

260~

[hallow crystal]

is there anyway to get some quick decent daggers or is it just do the raid and hope

226 anit really cutting it Xd

[vast loom]

honor and spam M+

[ebon notch]

m+

[hallow crystal]

any dungeon is specific or nah

[vast loom]

ones that drop daggers 🙂

[ebon notch]

i normally say mists but

[hallow crystal]

is there a better option is what i ment

[ebon notch]

kinda aids this week

[glass tulip]

I got one from NW

Good enough for me, still stuck with 272s

[smoky sandal]

I've got a 262 OH :\ Going to drop the valor tomorrow I think

Still zero luck with vault and have had 3 slots since week 1

[hallow crystal]

only if i was not pepega at pvp Xd time to grind the mythic + i guess

[ebon notch]

you can farm honor pretty easily

doesnt require skill

[hallow crystal]

what do

[ebon notch]

battlegrounds

first win rbgs

[hallow crystal]

implies my faction wins but ok i see

ill give it a shot

[glass tulip]

Pick up the weekly quest

And play solo q

900+ honor each game

[hallow crystal]

sounds so easy even a monkey like me cna do it

ty guys

[glass tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

[quasi scroll]

what's the best mixed-content cov for assassin?

like if you're just going to do one

for raid & M+

[oak sky]

venth

[quasi scroll]

ty

was just looking here and that seems to be the case https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/25/#class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&bracket=15&leaderboards=1

[lone junco]

In keys as Necro how do you use the bolts? Do we stick them to the prio target, or tab them out?

[obtuse robin]

kinda forced to tab target

cuz blizz is not smart enough for smart casting

[hallow crystal]

smart and smart casting

cant have both

[vast loom]

mouse over macro is nice for ranged dotting with SBS

[gloomy epoch]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[glass tulip]

@hallow crystal where good daggies >:(

[toxic quail]

@balmy condor i got some catching up to do

[balmy condor]

HES BACK

[toxic quail]

the prodigal son bb

[oak sky]

lets go dude

come home

[toxic quail]

pepoLOVE

[glass tulip]

He's back

[toxic quail]

my shaman is giga yolked so might as well hard focus rogue now

and uncapped valor so its a party

[glass tulip]

Yes sirrrr

Grind that m+ and go 272 bis

[toxic quail]

all the Options coming out to play

[solid mica]

wait, sigil channels your fleshcraft for you instantly?

in necro

or doesn't use cd rather

[ebon notch]

It's only for necro I'm pretty sure

The other covs it doesn't cast it

[solid mica]

that's fuckin pog in plaguefall holy cow

[ebon notch]

Just resets the cd

[fallow otter]

it channels it if you stand still, it doesn't put it on cooldown

it works for all covenants

eg. you can kyrian phial necrotic stacks using the sigil then use another phial the regular way

[storm belfry]

for venth in keys do you guys play vigor or mfd

[maiden pewter]

MFD for flag

[burnt latch]

Wait so u can solo necro in PF if u have sigil

Or does it not work with puddles?

[solid mica]

i would assume it does

and you can play double necro yourself

I didn't realize it till after the key so I didn't try

but i forgot to fleshcraft on first boss, but i used sigil and no1 said anything

so i'm guessing it worked

[storm belfry]

it uses fleshcraft w/o using its cd, yes

imo its the best cov for sigil if we are basing it off cov ability usage

its like having 2 charges of fleshcraft

[fallow otter]

kyrian as tank is pretty sweet

[subtle tundra]

No, you already can recast flesh craft on the same puddle with urh and it don't work

[burnt latch]

Did u try it with canceling the buff before u recasted?

[subtle tundra]

No

Maybe?

Would be huge

[burnt latch]

Yeah I remember that being a thing

[subtle tundra]

If it worked

[burnt latch]

I can test today when i get home

Would be really pog

[subtle tundra]

Cause dk wouldn't have to play shitter necro

[burnt latch]

Yeah idd

[subtle tundra]

I don't have sigil to try in m0 though

But then... You'd still be able to flesh craft before killing slime

And have it off cd

[burnt latch]

Yeah thats true

ill do some testing today ill be home in a couple of hours

Got a sigil on my rogue

And could probably try same thing with urh in m15

[slim olive]

hi

[hardy dagger]

What do you all think of mythic rygelon necro for all of the resets and high uptime on Kevin or just go with venth?

[subtle tundra]

Venthyr just way too big diff

[hardy dagger]

Dunno I was slammin as necro yesterday but probably gonna try some venth aswell

[subtle tundra]

What were your numbers like?

I haven't tried it

[maiden pewter]

Kayl played necro on rygelon

He banged

Kevin seems good there

[subtle tundra]

Yea but what does banged mean

[maiden pewter]

I guess there arent many assa logs though

[subtle tundra]

Cause you can be top dps in your raid but that doesn't mean you can't do better

Talk numbers please :(

[maiden pewter]

Sec

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wHy6FTKCbkrxQXdm#fight=13&type=damage-done

[hardy dagger]

I mean I can't say much considering we only got to like 60%

But anywhere from 16-18k depending on how well I was deathspike cleaving so to say

[subtle tundra]

He got fairies

[hardy dagger]

I might be on some necro copium but it's a lot of fun on ryge

[subtle tundra]

It's defo good enough

Idk if better than venthyr

I missed the kill so I can't say how much I do

[maiden pewter]

If its good enough and fun, then why not

[subtle tundra]

Cause swapping covenants is cringe

Between bosses

I'll try it though

[maiden pewter]

[subtle tundra]

But he also only did 15.6k boss dps

Out of that 16.7k

[maiden pewter]

padding

[hardy dagger]

Padding on quasars

[burnt latch]

Rank 2 assa on public logs did 15.1k as venth

Id imagine necro has an insane theoretical max dps on that fight

Cuz u dont really need to hold mfds for flag

If u manage to mfd and bonespike like idk 75% of quasars which is extremely hard to pull off youll crank like crazy

[subtle tundra]

@limber lion how much did you do on reggy?

When I was progging I was playing wrong

[subtle tundra]

Also that's quite low

[burnt latch]

Idk seems about right with u losing some dam when u go inside/bad intermission/massive bang

Top sub log did 15.4k

[subtle tundra]

I think cev did over 16k

[earnest remnant]

16.2k

[subtle tundra]

But I'm not sure so I'm asking

[earnest remnant]

almost 16.3k

[vestal wren]

cds do not align well for subtlety and you are dependent on procs

so sub will usually peform worse

[burnt latch]

16.3k boss dps will be a huge overall dps then

Probably close to 17k

[earnest remnant]

that was his overall dps on the fight boss dmg was like 15.2k

[oak sky]

he didnt prog it

[earnest remnant]

he did

[oak sky]

did he

nvm

i forgot he got a few fights in before jailer

[burnt latch]

Yeah this sounds about right to me

Mby a bit higher if venth

[subtle tundra]

Is fine Ill kill jaily today and test next week

[oak sky]

yeah you better

[earnest remnant]

he played venthyr

[burnt latch]

What %?

[subtle tundra]

12% without bug, that like 2% if bugged

[burnt latch]

Yeah nice one thats pretty much a kill today

I think we had the exact same, 12% no bug and boss died within 10-15 pulls after

[earnest remnant]

evolve got this no worries ez kill tonight

[subtle tundra]

Last phase is learned, we just need a clean pull that's bugged

[burnt latch]

Ez hof

[subtle tundra]

Also

Healer priest was away

We played with a guy that had 0 pulls

[burnt latch]

I think a guy in my old guild got a jailer kill with like sub 40 pulls aswell

Easy yoink because of absentees

[tardy storm]

Is Duskwalker's BiS in M+?

[subtle tundra]

Yes

[tardy storm]

Tyty

[scarlet sequoia]

if u just want boss damage obviously venthyr is best for rygelon

not rly a rogues job to kill adds anyway

[burnt latch]

Optimally played (which is very difficult) I think necro would end up doing more boss damage

Now is playing that well possible realistically? Probably not

[cunning locust]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[pearl ingot]

Would it be hof for u @subtle tundra if you kill him this week?

[subtle tundra]

Today, yes

[dark token]

We just saw 1 pull of p4 jailer yesterday do you guys think it's killable today

[fair vector]

I see all the talk of HoF for jailer and stuff stopping this reset. Are there any major changes coming at rhe same time? Still new back to the game and dont wanna waste gold making leggos and stuff only to lose them shortly after.

[subtle tundra]

Not really

[subtle tundra]

Nothing that should affect you

[late gulch]

is Nightfae worth playing as assasin or is venthyr the clear choice?

[zinc frost]

Venth better

[late gulch]

ok 🙂

is assasin better then sub at anythingh?

[amber sun]

hey guys, can i aks how are you simming gear for LoD?

[zinc frost]

Lords of dread by a mile

[zinc frost]

Gear shouldn’t change too much with 2 targets, maybe favouring a bit more mastery

[odd heath]

Sim 2tgt patchwerk 9min

Expert mode

raid_events+="/vulnerable,first=5,duration=20,cooldown=140"

This on the header

The first vulnerable event on this fight is at 50s, but the apl doesn't hold CDs for it from what I could see

[pearl ingot]

Whish you and your Guild a clean kill! Make us proud.

[hallow crystal]

just did a key of mists.... i wanna die. worst wake up decision ive ever made

[pearl ingot]

So if we send our Vendetta only it would be ready for the first vulnerable event with all cd‘s, or am I missing smth here?

[odd heath]

Actually, zoldycks sim better for this fight

So you hold everything

For first.vulnerable

[trim cairn]

Mists is fun if ur group isn't made up of donkeys

[hallow crystal]

Well it was worse then donkeys

[trim cairn]

Like me trying to time 25 mists and a 278 warrior donkey doing 10k dps on 1st boss

Idk bro u doing something wrong

[hallow crystal]

everything but the maze went great....

yea the maze were there decision of how to go fast is run into random exits

[zinc frost]

Inspired wasn’t dying quick enough?

[trim cairn]

u sure you didn't just encounter the ol'e exitless maze bug?

[hallow crystal]

yes i am sure

[trim cairn]

it's blizz u never know when their key bricking bugs strike

xd

[hallow crystal]

i thought bug at first but then i went back and checked and was like nope

they were just running into the walls

[amber sun]

ty thats big help

[fair vector]

For mythic plus I feel like using vendetta on anything outside a boss never gets full value. Is it better to use a different leggo for mythic+?

Ive played a lot of classes over the years at fairly high lvls of PvP and PvE. Ive never struggled as much to figure out a class. I feel like im trash at rogue to the point I might have to call it and reroll lol

Im using dusk as leggo

Should have said that in first comme t

Comment

[subtle tundra]

Problem is, everything else is dogshit

Also you only have that problem in low keys

[fair vector]

Yah, im at around 15s now. I assumed that might be the case. Im pulling like 10k overall with 255 ilvl. I cant figure it out.

Like a back with 10-15 mobs. I have no idea how many to dot and stuff. Ita brutal lol

I spend half the time panicing. And I find km pressing fan of knives and its going off multiple times in a row. Its weird.

[violet jackal]

Sounds like you are overthinking it waaaay to much. Rupture, Garrote, crimson tempest, as many as you can, Maintain slice n dice, Fan of knives 3+ target, Vendetta the biggest thing every 1 minute. If Duskwalker life isn't for you then you can play zoldyck unless you are venthyr then you are just jailed to duskwalker life

[subtle tundra]

there are 2 ways of doing aoe on 10-15 targets

or more

1. play cache and do a bit of aoe, not too much cause then we'd be viable

2. play sub

[violet jackal]

Ideally people should just be fine with doing what you can knowing that you still have an important part later in the instance. 2 other DPS exist in the composition you don't all need to be competing for AOE numbers

[fair vector]

So once you get the dots up on say packa of 4 or 5. You are then just si gle targeting until dots need to apply again? Or just cycle dots and never muti and envenom only to keep up snd?

[violet jackal]

chances are if you dotted 5 targets the first one is about to fall off, but yes keep beyblading around and spread the red

If you are doing something like a big shard pull in Halls of Atonement, know that is fully fine for you to single target the shard, while fan of knives and crimson tempest for cleave on other targets. while also hopefully helping with interrupts as well

[thin imp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[fair vector]

Ty ill keep working at it. Still low ilvl but just got 4 pce and I am Ven. So duskwalker it is haha

[regal cloud]

[pearl ingot]

Oh okay, ty for this information will take our raid a few more weeks for finishing anduin but then it will be a headstart with the right legendary

[upbeat needle]

Best thing you can do with Vendetta is use it on the most important mob in the pack. You're there for good cleave, prio damage, and boss damage

make sure you're using shiv on CD too

can even kidney it to for the increased dam

if you're running the talent for it

If you want giga aoe play lock mage ww etc

best thing is to play your role and be giga good at it. Anyone who tries to flame you for not doing as much as a lock in overall is trolling and doesn't understand how the game nor different specs work

[sand sigil]

@limber lion did u see the new heroic anduin sin tech?

i couldnt believe the log when i saw it

[vestal wren]

👀

[pseudo hamlet]

According to sims SGT and IQD trinkets are best for me. How I am supposed to use them?
IQD with the CDs(flag+ven) and SGT straight after?

[cloud reef]

What’s the tech

[hallow crystal]

Wish me luck boys

may the Loot dogs smile apon me

..... two... two hats

[violet jackal]

wait James you can't just come in here like this, show the goods

[sand sigil]

just go look at the sin logs it blew my mind when i saw the guy was doing that

[brazen zodiac]

this sounds like such clickbait lmfao

new sin tech 300000 DPS COULDNT BELIEVE MY EYES

[violet jackal]

I see you at the top 35k with 5 Power infusions

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[limber lion]

Damn bro you're insane

Glad I quit, I ain't beating that

Or probably anyone else in a good while

That rune is pretty dank though ngl

[sand sigil]

the rune is the goat parse tech

i keep that thing only for anduin

and steal all the aoe insta lol

[strange python]

You quit?

[vestal wren]

final rune tech, nice

[strange python]

How much of a pain in the ass is it to get that to pop at the right time

[ebon notch]

i imagine no harder than timing cache trinket

[violet jackal]

the bigger issue is usually healer keeping you alive if they don't know ahead of time that you will be taking the extra damage

otherwise it's big stonks on aoe

[bleak sun]

17k overall as sin on gambit 19

[ebon notch]

have you tried boosting in liquid

i hear it helps with those kinds of situations

[misty holly]

heroic sylvanas dagger or a 272 for offhand?

[strange python]

272

Edge doesn't give nearly as much to sin

But keep edge for sub

I guess you should sim it to be sure. But I'd be shocked if that was better - my sim has me run 272 over a mythic edge

[misty holly]

I was just trying to sim it but picked the wrong time to use raidbots I guess lol

bit of a queue

[strange python]

Yeah Tuesday mornings blow. I'm relatively confident you wouldn't use a heroic edge.

[gray horizon]

Anyone got the string to add for tweaking Earthbreaker's procs?

like only hitting 2 instead of all of them etc

[vestal wren]

shadowlands.earthbreakers_impact_weak_points=2

[tough bridge]

Hey, with the 4pc snapshot...shouldn't the "Overcharged Anima Battery" be more valuable ? I made some simulations and looks like its not worth. There is a cap for haste that make this trinket not good ?

[drifting cloud]

its 90s cd

if it was 1min it might have been good

[ebon notch]

im kinda sad the pvp badge isnt good either

considering the 1 min cd

[gray horizon]

ty

[tough bridge]

yeah, but the The First Sigil is 5min and sins higher

[drifting cloud]

yeah? how are you gonna use a 90s cd trinket efficient when your dps windows are 60-65s apart

[tough bridge]

i know, but u could sync on 1-3-5 vendetta

just like the cache sync on 1-3

idk, I was just thinking about it

[drifting cloud]

its balanced around its cooldown, and its not very good even then

[subtle tundra]

but you lose casts this way

[drifting cloud]

if youre delaying it youre just making it even worse

[gray horizon]

I can't get my phial to sim higher than Earthbreakers 😦

i finally got it and i just want to use it

[subtle tundra]

most trinket combinations are very close

[gray horizon]

yeah rocking a 278 earthbreaker's and 265 first sigil atm

[vestal wren]

i was surprised how close trinkets are when i did sim trinket combinations

[gusty mirage]

Good

Having a variety is sick

That way if you hate a specific trinket for example, you won’t feel like shit playing one that’s slightly worse

vs actually inting your damage because you hate the trinket

[vestal wren]

yep

[gusty mirage]

Now I’m curious what they’ll do about the guardian trinket next tier

[real solar]

@gusty mirage y u suk

[gusty mirage]

And the dreadfire

[gusty mirage]

Cuz you quit and I have no motivation to try hard to impress you so you can love me

[vestal wren]

i don't think we will see a lot of balance changes

but who knows

[echo geyser]

if frost set was back in season 4 youd need to farm FCM for sure

[gusty mirage]

I want that trinket and that dungeon to burn in eternal hellfire

[vestal wren]

season 4 timewalking farm again for aa ring

[gusty mirage]

Thankfully, I cancelled my auto sub

Who dies first, jailer or my wow time?

Race to world last baby

[real solar]

u die first

[misty holly]

They need to get rid of that stupid ring. Too hard to farm in a week.

[real solar]

jk ily oxi

[gusty mirage]

Thank God

[gusty mirage]

ily2 and I miss you

[gray horizon]

yeah i'll prob try out the phial. earthbreaker is kind of hard to see sometimes in the clutter of melee

Pretty legit they're all so close

[real solar]

I helped my old guild w mythic halon as my first boss this tier lolol

Wanted to play Sin, but didn’t have time to research the rotation w tier and whatnot 😦

[gusty mirage]

I’m suffering on anduin

If it makes you feel better

[gray horizon]

Also suffering on Anduin 🙂

good ol' randy andy

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

@gusty mirage anduin nerfs

[deft vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[gusty mirage]

where

[drifting cloud]

its datamined

• Overconfidence and Hopelessness now have a 12 second duration on all difficulties (up from 8 seconds on Heroic/Mythic).
• The maximum time you can stay in the Kingsmorne phases seems to be 40 seconds now (up from 35 seconds).
• The number of Wicked Stars that go out at once is now 1 on all difficulties (from 2 on Mythic).

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

does it delete the fight

[drifting cloud]

guess not, but doesnt hurt

rygelon nerfs are huge

[vestal wren]

any link ?

[drifting cloud]

its datamined, I just have text pasted to me

[eager river]

any pasters?

[drifting cloud]

like those rygelon changes easily save 50 wipes

probably more

[eager river]

those are kinda large ye

the jailer's too no?

[drifting cloud]

jailers are nice, but nothing huge I think

[rose sphinx]

is there anyone who could give me tips on how to do better dps as assassination rogue? i try to keep my bleeds and poisons on as many targets as possibly but i cant get higher than ~7k dps in a dungeon. i also have my 2-piece set and duskwalker's legendary

[violet jackal]

get 4piece and item level 278 and then check back in with us

TLDR for Rogue in Dungeons
Bleeds and poisons on as many targets as possible
Maintain slice and dice
Use cooldowns on cooldown ie Vendetta, Vanish, Shiv, Trinket
Realize your AOE will never be as good as some other classes
Realize that dungeon overall damage is irreverent since not everyone guaranteed the same path or composition.
You either time the key or didn't time it
@rose sphinx

[upbeat needle]

TRUUEEEEEE

no wait wait

u forgot

make sure u stun and kick literally every cast if you don't you're bad

(jk ofc)

[terse talon]

on vigilant fuardian sin feels aids

[upbeat needle]

play necro

[terse talon]

necro in general feels aids aswell :/

[upbeat needle]

or play sub and BP until the boss dies

that's a fair point

necro do be feeling aids sometimes

[terse talon]

yeah sub is my main but i want to go sin now

[upbeat needle]

although I like necro sin better than venth

[terse talon]

I really like vent sin

[hallow crystal]

when in doubt cheap and kidney shot machine

[upbeat needle]

I am not a fan of snapshotting

[upbeat needle]

fact

[terse talon]

did some keys as vent sin just to practise the playstyle and it was kind of heavy on bosses

[upbeat needle]

oh u will fuck the bosses

halls is a pretty fun one

esp last week

[terse talon]

yeah but the packs ia another story xD

[upbeat needle]

garrote silence on heavy caster mobs is very underrated

[terse talon]

without the enpowered garroges

[hallow crystal]

whats the effects this week

do i need to dodge wow or

[terse talon]

yeah but i went with MA

[upbeat needle]

dusk unity KING

[upbeat needle]

never dodge

we don't duck smoke

[terse talon]

MA talent

[upbeat needle]

every week good push week

[hallow crystal]

i mean we know i am too addicted

[terse talon]

i used dusk

[hallow crystal]

to dodge like every other assass player

we all too addicted to the mindsight of

** we got this even if we dont**

[violet jackal]

100% Kevin uptime feels “based” on vigilant guardian ( I believe that what the kids are saying these days)

[upbeat needle]

100% uptime is def a good time too

[hallow crystal]

KEVIN?

[upbeat needle]

hey man kevin be shooting shit

[hallow crystal]

we all know Bonk is the best

[upbeat needle]

do u mean BRON?

[hallow crystal]

😉

[upbeat needle]

not a fan of bron

bron be griefing keys

[violet jackal]

Kevin is the homie he never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down

[upbeat needle]

all my homies hate bron

[upbeat needle]

just logged on its mf

fort sanguine grevious

[hallow crystal]

**mayby i want to dodge

[upbeat needle]

Ima play DK tank this week

ez

we love grips on sanguine

[misty holly]

I predict healers take this week off

[violet jackal]

Just bring double Druid to every key this week nothing could go wrong

[misty holly]

2 ferals?

[violet jackal]

Sure

[midnight robin]

For Single Target what is a % of haste that feels good for ass? I currently have like 3% haste and its really oppressive. I know there isn't some magical number but what's a rough % that feels good

[upbeat needle]

Power Infusion

fuck the warlocks

but fr once you get to like 16%+ it feels better

I usually run at about 20-22%

but always sim yourself, stats are pretty fluid

also playing optimally will help your energy regen too and it'll feel a lot better

[misty holly]

in single target haste is pretty comfortably our best secondary

so for gear you can target what to upgrade, go for haste items

[glass tulip]

Crit/haste is always the gear you want on assassin

unless its static like on tier pieces

[hollow river]

You’ll never feel a difference

[trim cairn]

Ye honestly as Assa I feel more GCD locked by bad seal fate RNG than by lacking haste

[violet jackal]

50% haste feels so smooth

[glass tulip]

that is a disgustingly large amount of haste lol

[violet jackal]

alaclarity, some food, some elergy, but trust rotation is smooth as butter

[ebon notch]

i miss 50% crit from SOD

[violet jackal]

i believe you mean 54%

[echo geyser]

try to kill the boss tonight

make us proud

[naive valve]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[ebon notch]

[echo geyser]

o7

[naive valve]

divisible ooze, grim codex, or 6 coins for flux to convert to 4pc

[echo geyser]

wtf

6 coins for flux thats something ive never heard before

[strange python]

!affixes

[prisma monolith]

Affixes: Fortified, Sanguine, Grievous, Encrypted

[strange python]

lool nat tanking this week as well

[violet jackal]

pretty sure I take ooze, flux is easily gainable

but would need to see the rest of the gear

[naive valve]

rest of gear is mostly hot ZM garbage, my rogue's been on the backburner for most of the season

[violet jackal]

is that a 278 ooze?

[naive valve]

this toon's nowhere near 15s lolol, it's 255 but i already have a lvl 1 ooze that i could work up with valor

[hallow crystal]

sounds painful

[violet jackal]

oh I don't know you could be in guild full of helpful people that adore you :p I took a guildie who started at 226 through 4 15s

[naive valve]

i meeeean my guild probably could but i'd just feel bad lmao

[hallow crystal]

remember rogue logic

never feel bad

[naive valve]

god im the worst rogue ever then :P

[real solar]

ily whispyr

[pliant orchid]

Hello I'm looking to swap from fdk to ass rogue and this piece of advice is top tier. Thank you for this.

[timid cloud]

Just wait until the memes start.

You will say otherwise.

[pliant orchid]

Don't let your dreams be memes

And don't let the memes be dreams

[viscid spear]

You know what they say.

[pliant orchid]

🤔

[viscid spear]

Just slap bleeds on things, big success

[pliant orchid]

I'm only 48 right now. Still got some levelling to go

[gleaming spire]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[true tusk]

Hi mates, what its better actually Theotar or Nadja?

[violet jackal]

Theotar if you can get full umbrella uptime + haste tea I believe, otherwise Nadja just actually more reliable

also there this nice picture someone worked really hard on in #assassination-faq along with a lot more helpful info

[true tusk]

Yeah i see the picture but on warcraftlogs some people still playing Theotar and in this way im doubting what to take

Really great job with the guide

And FAQ's

@violet jackalI really aprecciate ur tips, thanks mate

[viscid spear]

That's likely because they got a good Tea roll

[true tusk]

And about stats, Raidbots say for change some pieces and this pieces are crit/mast, isnt better crit/cele and try cap %¿?

Or how works?

[violet jackal]

Item level

[viscid spear]

Mastery becomes better with 4pc

Our Mastery increases the damage of our bleeds & poisons, so it gains a lot of value with the set bonuses

[true tusk]

In window (Vendetta) with 4p, right?

So Item lvl=Crit/Mast > Crit/Cel in this way

[viscid spear]

Most of all yes, but also when you Shiv between the windows

[manic walrus]

is there a reason sin doesnt mess with earthbreaker trinket?

[violet jackal]

what is cel?

[viscid spear]

Haste

[true tusk]

Haste, sorry xD

[viscid spear]

I only assumed because we were talking about stats and I know what 'celerity' means

[violet jackal]

that sounds like pirate talk

we don't use that languge here

[viscid spear]

You don't do Spires very often, eh?

Ventunax uses it in her vocab

[violet jackal]

this is our stat graph. Item level is king, you can worry about actual stat min max once you are around iLvL 272ish

[violet jackal]

not going to lie I hear celery evertyime, and just think nothing of it

[zinc frost]

It’s not terrible there are just better options for sin, i.e phial, ooze, IQD, sigil etc

[last rover]

would y'all say there were differences in gameplay/smoothness/feel etc? I'm trying to pick up assa coming from sub so I'm basically full mastery gear and 0 haste

[true tusk]

@violet jackal In my case i have ilvl 272, so need cap some %? Or not

Or just max ilvl and gg

[gusty mirage]

it'd take a fuck ton of haste for you to feel any sort of smoothness

sin is what it is

slow ramp

[dim yacht]

is theotar still worth it as a soulbind in M+ scenario when you might not always be able to take advantage of the shaded area for the mastery boost?

[oak sky]

Just sim yourself dont think about stats or item level at all

[viscid spear]

🪴

[gusty mirage]

Ye it'd still be worth

[oak sky]

For nadjia, you get less value in aoe usually and also your euphoria and fatal flaw buffs are often wasted as well

[gusty mirage]

but if you want you can plan nadjia

[dim yacht]

gotcha, thanks for the info 👍

[gusty mirage]

it's pretty much a toss up at that point

haste is less useful in aoe than mastery, but the crit from fatal flaw is nice

[viscid spear]

[oak sky]

Yeah its not a huge deal but in keys theo is usually more consistent

[gusty mirage]

^

[dim yacht]

i tried necro for a bit, was venthyr all xpac and i just felt like i was fucking up my rotation too much when i tossed bonespike into the mix

also, im not crazy right? the urh relic buff just sucks for sin? well, on aoe anyway

[viscid spear]

Still nice to have options

[dim yacht]

i feel like i get nothing from it

[viscid spear]

Now if only I could get invited to a group

[dim yacht]

i played sin in season 1, i feel that

everyone just assumed i was outlaw

got kicked from groups multiple times when people realised i was sin

[tiny dagger]

Necro or venth assass for LoD Mythic?

[dim yacht]

venth has best ST

[craggy oak]

Necro + zolds has highest output

[dim yacht]

i thought venth pulled ahead by a bit?

for pure st

[loud light]

he asked about LoD

[dim yacht]

oh

[craggy oak]

For lod

[dim yacht]

sorry my bad

[craggy oak]

Also much nicer to play

Dont have to have scuffed vendeta windows

[loud light]

flag is pretty awkward with the swarms and among us timings

[oak sky]

Thats weird i dont think ive ever been kicked for spec

[tiny dagger]

10-4 ty ty

[dim yacht]

sin was really bad in season 1

[oak sky]

I know

I played it

[dim yacht]

i was the third sin rogue in the world to get ksm season 1, not because i was good

[oak sky]

I was really bad in season 1 and i got ksm too

It wasnt a struggle or anything I was just both bad and lazy

[dim yacht]

we did get a fair few buffs in s1

we sure needed them

i was getting kicked mostly before those buffs

before any buffs at all, tanks did more damage than us

[last rover]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[violet jackal]

30 second vendetta are pretty nice, also as long as you weren't overcapping combo points throwing bonespikes in your rotation isn't bad

[echo geyser]

u can do back 2 back shiv too right

[oak sky]

Yeah

Been a while since i did a sin key

[violet jackal]

double crimson vial as well

[oak sky]

I miss her (assassination)

[echo geyser]

sounds good to me

[last rover]

sorry for interrupting, are any of these guides any good? i have a hard time trusting iv and wowhead

[echo geyser]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[echo geyser]

i think all those guide writers are here in the discord

[oak sky]

Yep

[violet jackal]

I trust wowhead since it's written by the ever so wonderful whispyr

[echo geyser]

whispyr seli cev

[spice spire]

Both iv and wowhead are well maintained by two prominent figures here

[echo geyser]

seems good to me, but how updated they are, i cannot speak of

[oak sky]

Seli writes IV and ceverion and whispyr were working on method

[last rover]

good then, yeah depending on the writer it can be hit and miss

[spice spire]

And method has Cev + whispyr

[gusty mirage]

[echo geyser]

guides seem hard to perma keep up to date

[spice spire]

Also @violet jackal you did great buddy, I’m mostly afk this week. Sorry ol

[oak sky]

Double feint

[gusty mirage]

surprised you know what feint is

[echo geyser]

while discord pins and faq are easier to maintain

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

I be pressing the shit out of it in anduin down phase i do no damage

[spice spire]

They are but it’s a task they eventually do. Pins are usually good

[gusty mirage]

george

[timid cloud]

Hey. That’s the former rank 1 healer rogue in the world on mythic. Put some fucking respect on the name.

[spice spire]

#3, L.

[oak sky]

Rank 2

[hallow crystal]

[gusty mirage]

[hallow crystal]

What one is it guys

[oak sky]

I was never rank 1 bro

[gusty mirage]

[hallow crystal]

your confusing me

[oak sky]

But rank 1 is in here

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/pussy-cat-cute-kitty-kitten-cat-gif-16800925

[limber lion]

Nah it was mine initially in 9.1, but it's loong gone now

[oak sky]

R2

[limber lion]

:p

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/hololive-mald-cope-seethe-gif-24289738

[spice spire]

Hate this

[gusty mirage]

wait until the end of june

[timid cloud]

Ya boy on that grind. I’m suffering lads.

[gusty mirage]

you're about to be the last one standing @spice spire

[timid cloud]

leTs AcAquiRe ThIs RISEn YeASt…

[echo geyser]

NA lads any good vaults?

[gusty mirage]

my warlock's a 4pc gamer now

shit on warrior and rogue

unlucky

[echo geyser]

[zinc frost]

Socket for CoS ring

[hallow crystal]

ow god filithy warlock i heard

[gusty mirage]

I was tempted, but I took the ritual commander's ring

for keys

[echo geyser]

not bad

i got a socket in bank waiting

[limber lion]

I might log on tomorrow for my last vault

[gusty mirage]

that's what I thought, until I saw that I can do 20k dps pushing 1 button

[limber lion]

watch me get a dagger

[timid cloud]

Uhhhh I think I only got the Tazavesh mythic 278 belt & my mythic 5 vault was dogshit. Other rogue got fucked too, got the taza neck crit/haste I had ‘’uh jailer neck…

[limber lion]

first vault after killing Ryge

[zinc frost]

[limber lion]

ez daggy

[hallow crystal]

what the fuck

[timid cloud]

That’s pain.

[gusty mirage]

well sometimes I have to push immolate

[hallow crystal]

thats more then our entire kit....

[gusty mirage]

that's just sometimes though

[hallow crystal]

what the fuck

[gusty mirage]

they needed that 5% aura buff, okay?

[timid cloud]

I love hitting 100k on my MM alt

[hallow crystal]

ow yea 5% is totally why you got invited

[gusty mirage]

meanwhile, enjoy your 30% to fan of knives peasants

[timid cloud]

Smile

[hallow crystal]

[gusty mirage]

a friend watched me do a key on my warlock

[hallow crystal]

need to ban warlocks

[gusty mirage]

and he's like what the fuck

I'm like what

he's like all you're pressing is rain of fire

and I was like, yea I know

[timid cloud]

That’s the trick.

[hallow crystal]

your not even playing the fun warlock spec

[timid cloud]

You don’t need to press anything else.

[hallow crystal]

just the braindead one

[timid cloud]

Affi?

[zinc frost]

It’s the same as my SV hunter, press kill command, get bomb proc, delete rogue

[gusty mirage]

mechanic going your way?

just press dark pact

and tank it

who cares

[timid cloud]

Don’t even have to press defensive.

Passive shield has you.

[gusty mirage]

just dark pact

ez

[hallow crystal]

meanwhile rogue has mechanic look in general direction

[gusty mirage]

dark pact on CD

[hallow crystal]

dead

[echo geyser]

also doesnt demo have some perma health link with pet

[gusty mirage]

ye

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

lol

they get massive DR just having a pet out

[hallow crystal]

cant believe your not even playing demo

now you got me afraid

[gusty mirage]

why would I press more buttons

when I can press less buttons

and do similar damage

[timid cloud]

Only diffy is pure ST

[gusty mirage]

ye

my 263 ilvl warlock with shit gear

[timid cloud]

Add in another target & Destro wins

[gusty mirage]

does as much overall as my 276 rogue

unlucky

well, I haven't had 4pc until today

[hallow crystal]

prob could have less gear on lock

[gusty mirage]

so we'll see

[hallow crystal]

and he prob dos just as much

[timid cloud]

My Ret is getting close to doing that too.

I LOVE IT

[gusty mirage]

ye the people rerolling rn in my guild

[hallow crystal]

i dont know if this makes me want to cry or.....

[gusty mirage]

are the rogues, the warriors, the boomkins, and the shadowpriests

the "pretty good, but not great" specs

fun

[hallow crystal]

meanwhile trying to get parses on my rogue so i can start looking for guilds

[zinc frost]

Bro I was almost doing more on my hunter with 2pc in a gambit than my rogue. Buff rogue man wtf

[hallow crystal]

because of course they will want me over anything else right now

[gusty mirage]

bro I was doing as much on my shit geared mm hunter

who has ONE leggo

in aoe

just unity

nothing else

[hallow crystal]

no dont

DOnt say it

[gusty mirage]

doing 20k in aoe

[timid cloud]

Make it make sense.

[gusty mirage]

LOL

meanwhile if I don't have xymox trinket off CD

I'm doing 20k sweating + pressing all my buttons on my rogue

its fun

[pseudo hamlet]

Anyone?

[gusty mirage]

on CD

do IQD first

[hallow crystal]

when you have killed the same boss 4 times just for parses and get garbage each time

[gusty mirage]

then SGT

[oak sky]

Pressing both buttons

[hallow crystal]

Im pressing mutilate. now what

[gusty mirage]

oh

in m+?

[hallow crystal]

what next

[gusty mirage]

you press N

[vestal wren]

[gusty mirage]

click subtlety

click activate

that's it

[hallow crystal]

no

[gusty mirage]

that's all you do

[hallow crystal]

i will sooner die

[oak sky]

I started doing it oxi

Sin is so unfun in aoe with the set

[hallow crystal]

ill continue to never get a decent parse score rather then swap to sub

[gusty mirage]

I stopped focusing urh too

idc anymore

if we get wo we get wo