assassination

[subtle tundra]

sub is still better for prog

cause it has the dmg

[hollow river]

[subtle tundra]

you want

you want to kill monstrous soul below 40%

sub is better

[marble hemlock]

No, because when we talk about prog, were talking about the entire raid again, and then why would you ever send a rogue down in the first place?

[subtle tundra]

bcs

player

skill

matters more

[oblique tulip]

lmao

[marble hemlock]

Youre projecting your progression struggles onto every other raid. Not every raid had issues with mosntrous soul damage, or inside kingsmourne.

[subtle tundra]

?

nah

you trippin

[marble hemlock]

Not every player in the raid needs to be able to contribute to those specific parts of the fight

[hollow river]

I mean

[subtle tundra]

but literally sub is better for prog cause it can do that

[hollow river]

You’re turning assa vs sub into rogue vs the world

[subtle tundra]

while learning the fight

[marble hemlock]

If you have to rely on your rogue to help out with kingsmourne or monstrous soul, you have bigger problems

[hollow river]

[subtle tundra]

im talking about assa

and sub

[marble hemlock]

Youre trying to talk about rogues in a vaccuum without accounting for the fact that most guilds dont assign rogues for either of those in the first place

[subtle tundra]

yea buddy

but

[burnt latch]

In a perfect world u dont bring sub or assa, theyre both shite so what are u guys exactly arguing about?

[marble hemlock]

So of course if you yourself had to do that, then the sub vs assa argument is very different

[subtle tundra]

what if you have rogue

are you just gonna tell him

do nothing but boss dps

[marble hemlock]

Yeah

[kindred heron]

Is there a way to bring up to blizzard the fact that all 3 rogue specs kinda fill the same purpose, and that we’d want the variety of warlocks

[subtle tundra]

for prog?

thats fucking awful

[marble hemlock]

No?

[kindred heron]

Or are we just kinda stuck here complaining to ourselves

It would be cool if there was a way to make it visible and get it changed

[burnt latch]

Tbh just cause rogue doesnt do something well doesnt mean u shouldnt try to get them involved

[marble hemlock]

You start prog, you play the fight, you slowly overcome struggles, and realize that you can afford to have some people ignore swapping (or rather, not ignore, but instead of contributing 5% of the damage to finish off the soul, you only do 3%)

And in return you get a shitton of damage on remnant

Its not like Sub was the key to success for guilds to finish off the soul, where previously they couldnt do that

[subtle tundra]

yea but you also have sub doing important dmg

and you manage to get faster

into the boss

[oblique tulip]

you don't

[marble hemlock]

You ever consider that your definition of "important damage" isnt universal?

But raid-specific?

[oblique tulip]

even with full funnel you are not doing more than most other classes with big cooldowns

[burnt latch]

Well youre making the same argument with remnant damage

Some guilds dont need remnant damage but soul dam

[marble hemlock]

Yeah, and for those guilds, having a subrogue swap might help. A bit.

Its not like sub does omega huge damage on demand unless youre holding CDs for it

[burnt latch]

There we go, argument settled. Both specs are shit and bring very little to that fight, with slightly different nieches that are still pretty worthless

[marble hemlock]

It does more than Assa. Yes. It can be the difference between killing it or not killing it, yes. But in the grand scheme of things, the spec of choice of your rogue wont be the difference between you wiping to the soul all the time or killing it. The class simply doesnt do enough regardless of choice, to be a deciding factor on the fight

[marble hemlock]

I mean, thats my entire point though? That the notion that Sub is the kingbis progress spec for Anduin ist just a bit of a fairy-tale the sub-copers are telling themselves so they feel less irrelevant on that fight. We're all irrelevant, and the way we actually can contribute is slightly different

[hollow river]

I like assa as much as anyone (except maybe you and Cev)

[marble hemlock]

Assa does well on that fight on boss dam and grim reflections, sub does better on monstrous soul. Both are kinda meh, but I'd reckon that most guilds dont actually struggle with the monstrous soul anymore, and if they do, then having a sub rogue over an assa rogue isnt gonna change that. So why not play what does quite a bit more boss dam?

Seems odd to me

[vivid slate]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[hollow river]

But sub has been a very good prog spec for me IMO this tier

[marble hemlock]

Both Assa and Sub are doing pretty well this tier

Sub had a better start as high ilvl weapons werent yet available for most assa players

[hollow river]

(I’m not in on Anduin anyway so not going to stress a point there)

I don’t only mean in terms of damage

[oblique tulip]

i guess sub is just very easy to play on anduin

[marble hemlock]

I mean, Assa isnt hard either

[hollow river]

But just the playability of it in general and flexibility

[oak sky]

They both suck on anduin gg done play what you enjoy more

[marble hemlock]

I simply dont agree with the fact that Assa sucks on Anduin

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[burnt latch]

It does tho

All rogue specs do

Unfortunately

[oblique tulip]

people thinking sub is good compared to other classes on anduin are just delusional

[hollow river]

It’s not, but sub is infinitely better at target swapping and doing the same consistent damage

[marble hemlock]

By what metric? Boss damage? Cause Assa is basically the highest damage spec there, not counting juiced up 4pi/8fairy destrolocks

[hollow river]

Unless you’re pouring vendetta into your swap target I guess

[hollow river]

No one ever said that? .......

[marble hemlock]

Add damage? Assa does well on Reflections and Lost Souls (not like that matters, but assa helps a lot on evening out HP there)

[burnt latch]

Boss dam literally doesnt matter on that fight tho. Dont think there are many guilds out there that are wiping because they didnt have enough boss dam

[marble hemlock]

Its just the "but sub has prio" cope thats been rampant around here for ages

[hollow river]

I’m talking more of the entire raid not just Anduin

[marble hemlock]

Prio on an add you can ramp up on for 15 seconds b efore you need to nuke it

[dry copper]

just do what your raid needs for it, don't stress it

[storm onyx]

thf, on some fights really the dmg done to a 'specific mob' matters by a lot during a 'given time', we are good on that, dmg done to target metters, not just overall dmg

[oblique tulip]

yes so it doesn't mather if you play assa or sub there

[hollow river]

I know “early bosses don’t matter” but sub made Sausage prog 100x better and sped up the kill

[oblique tulip]

so if your guild is forcing you to swap spec that is because you raid in 500rank guild

[marble hemlock]

Psure I could beat most sub rogues into submission on sub 40% monstrous soul dam unless they hold flag+sharknado for it

[dry copper]

like sub in keys, do what you need to do to time the key, not necessarily pad

[marble hemlock]

Cause you can predot it, and SBS does solid burst on the soul

But maybe people think Assa is bad on Anduin cause they still consider it a spec that can only play 1 covenant

[vestal wren]

i think assassination ended up with quite a bad reputation at the start of 9.2 due to tier set aviability

[dry copper]

it's just a spec that doesn't blast adds, so you look bad. if things are dying when they need to, don't worry

[vestal wren]

so even if people know now that it can perform, there is still some of that perception left i feel

[hybrid vale]

true!

[dry copper]

if you do worry about it, go swap destro

[vast loom]

also some of the optimizations on how to use the set are kinda new too right

[hybrid vale]

hunters are good

[hybrid vale]

you figured out "the trick"

[vestal wren]

the optimizations for simc/apl did bring it ahead of subtlety with higher gear levels

[kindred rapids]

I think people were slow to get good at the 4pc

[vestal wren]

i don't think the 200 dps diffrence rly makes a super strong point for one of the other spec

if outlaw was 200 dps behind i don't think it would be considered inting

[marble hemlock]

It ended up with a bad rep, same as sub, cause it didnt have omega aoe cleave/cds that was topping meters on fights like anduin or lords or lihuvim or pantheon

[vestal wren]

but outlaw is 1000 dps behind

[bleak sky]

200 dps = who cares

[storm onyx]

dono, ppl think too much of the overall dmg but not the job done aspect also.

[fair vector]

Quick question. Im ilvl 243, do I need to even worry about simming yet or just go with higher ilvl item all the time juat because of the agi?

[burnt latch]

just go for ilvl

[timid cloud]

Higher level usually.

[limber lion]

Yes, just use high ilvl

Worry about simming when you're like 270+

275+ even

[marble hemlock]

So yeah idk. Top5 DPS on grim reflections, top3 dps on boss, having good on demand burst for monstrous soul (not like actual burst classes, but good enough). Somehow considered a terrible choice that needs to be benched for Anduin. I just dont understand it at all, idk

Maybe thats just me

[fair vector]

Thats what I figured. Ty.

[timid cloud]

But if you know you’re not gonna get upgrades for awhile, (for whatever reason.) then you may want to sim yourself.

[hybrid vale]

It'll be interested to see the small shake up the will occur at higher ilvls

in this new patch

of higher ilvls...

[timid cloud]

I believe in Sin.

Anyone else using 2/3 coins for daggers?

[burnt latch]

2/3 daggers 1/3 veinripper

[hollow river]

The reflections are the ones that bring people back up ya?

[marble hemlock]

Nah, thats lost souls

[timid cloud]

OutLUL

[hollow river]

Ok I was about to say

[marble hemlock]

You can beat your warriors on actual dps on those, but thats mostly padding. The good classes for those are the ones that have on demand burst

[timid cloud]

Would you really suggest NL on that fight?

[marble hemlock]

Rogue does have the benefit of having good damage for the lost souls that are the furthest away

So you can rupture/sbs the 3-4 ones that take less cleave

and keep hp even

[hollow river]

Or evis them

[timid cloud]

EVIS?

[marble hemlock]

evis hits 1

[hollow river]

But ye

[timid cloud]

[marble hemlock]

DPE of evis < DPE of rupture/sbs

[vast loom]

evis is like 1.5 envenoms an avg

[hollow river]

Evis can hit all 8 of them over an amount of seconds

[marble hemlock]

wat

[timid cloud]

I guess I’m going Shadow Tech.

[hollow river]

You can evis every other gcd

So you can hit multiple

[timid cloud]

I’m sick of this tomfoolery within this channel, please be 100% serious at all times.

[marble hemlock]

oka cool

wanna compare DPE of evis vs DPE of sbs/rupture?

[timid cloud]

We will be acquiring a new influx of people from another clickbait Wowhead article.

SBS is 15E is it not?

With Rupture being…35…?

[marble hemlock]

damage per execute

not energy

[timid cloud]

Oh. Apologies.

[hollow river]

I’m simply agreeing with you

[marble hemlock]

anyway

double vendetta on remnant is good

[timid cloud]

Do you really spend enough energy for that?

[marble hemlock]

yes

[timid cloud]

In the time it takes for lich king phase?

Wow.

[north heath]

Hi sneaky bois, I'm returning to the game and wanting to play rogue but maintain the poison/assassin fantasy if possible. How would ya'll rate Assass overall in M+ and the current tier, fun wise and DPS contribution wise? Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask

[marble hemlock]

you might miss out on the last ~5sec of the 2nd vendetta both times

[limber lion]

just ask for faeries for intermission

[marble hemlock]

but you could ask for a fairy

[limber lion]

:')

[marble hemlock]

and then its super safe

[timid cloud]

😮

I just fucking might.

[limber lion]

faeries kinda dank

[marble hemlock]

the warlocks typically use all of them on first one

[bleak sky]

fun wise: up to you
dps wise: not great but decent

[marble hemlock]

but i got one on 2nd

[vast loom]

faeries buffs our leggo CD right?

[timid cloud]

I’M GET THE EXTERNALS????

[marble hemlock]

it reduces vendetta cd

same as urh buff, basically

only at a lower efficacy

[vast loom]

yeah i thought it had a weird affect that when you had CD reduction stuff happening that it kinda double dips or something

[marble hemlock]

well it sorta does

[vast loom]

i assume it might happen with Urh too

[hybrid vale]

enhancement shamans get all the faeries

[timid cloud]

Because we’re making the CD lower it gets more value.

Because it shaves off time.

[vast loom]

yeah

[marble hemlock]

why do you think destro is so cracked with fairies

cause they play a CDR legendary 😉

[vast loom]

truuuuu

[hybrid vale]

so do enhancement

and demo lock

[marble hemlock]

ye

[vast loom]

wasnt nyalotha Hpal similar with that 1 CDR corruption

[timid cloud]

I think so.

[marble hemlock]

their cds are just stronger than ours so typically they get prio on fairies

[hybrid vale]

ineffable truth

[vast loom]

yeah

[timid cloud]

Ineff truth.

[marble hemlock]

but on anduin it makes sense to give 1 to rogue per intermission

[timid cloud]

You needed one on MW too

[marble hemlock]

as we get a 2nd set, they dont

[hybrid vale]

ineffable truth paladin will never be surpassed in fun in the arenas

hoj spam

[vast loom]

im in a pretty low rank guild atm so i might be able to finesse a faerie 🙂

but im not sure im gonna stick with them long enough to get to anduin lol

[hybrid vale]

u could even get a pi if you're in a heroic guild

that's not being optimized or whatever

ask for 1 during sendetta

[timid cloud]

You know, I recently felt the pain Cev did the other day.

[vast loom]

yeah i might start yoinking it on pull

[timid cloud]

Getting PI randomly from people.

[vast loom]

now that im decent ilvl

[timid cloud]

I fucking hate it.

[hybrid vale]

why

its nice

[timid cloud]

No I mean random random.

[hybrid vale]

better than no pi but i can see if its not during vendetta

it taints your logs

[timid cloud]

Like I’m just sitting here autoing.

PI

[hybrid vale]

that happens to cev?

[marble hemlock]

yeah i got fairy on pull on anduin

and its just

useless

[limber lion]

hell no

no externals >>>>>>>>>>>>>> optimal externals >>>>>>>>>>>> bad externals

[hybrid vale]

they use it for other reasons than the cdr u all are selfish

[marble hemlock]

no they didnt :<

[vast loom]

okay hear me out what if instead of PI we had this raid wide buff that gave everyone haste

[marble hemlock]

they just had 1 extra, i said id like it during remnant phase, and then they just gave me on pull too

[limber lion]

More often than not I get PI's whenever I pug or boost heroic

pretty annoying

[timid cloud]

Nothing is worse than being outside of burst no lust, then getting pi.

Like why ruin the natty parse

If you’re gonna pi 50dps worth of auto attacks. LOL

[marble hemlock]

thats like half the fun

[hybrid vale]

dont they send it for the dam reduction sometimes and they need to send the cdr on someone idk i know the ability has multiple purposes

[marble hemlock]

ruin peoples parses

with random PIs

[timid cloud]

You need to do specific shit.

[hybrid vale]

ppower word shield after using the ability sends the dam reduction on someone else

[marble hemlock]

gonna pay the priests in pushs guild good gold

[timid cloud]

Shadow mend for disc

[marble hemlock]

to fairy him randomly

well, push/cev

[limber lion]

:))))))))))

[timid cloud]

Power word shield for holy, which you shouldn’t even be doing..

[limber lion]

I did a boost run yesterday

and I had 2 priests both use PI and faeries on me

:)))))))))))))

I think I have the most externals or close to most externals

out of anyone

:)))))))))))))

:D:DDD:D

[timid cloud]

If you’re hitting PW:S on Holy for no reason, you’re trolling.

[marble hemlock]

unethical gamer

[hybrid vale]

that automatically puts you into the externals pile of the logs

disqualifies you from the respected pile

jk

[limber lion]

very fun

[timid cloud]

At least let us choose.

Where’s my neutralizer for externals?

[marble hemlock]

cev only parsing cuz of externals

shameful

[limber lion]

it's true

rip

gg

[timid cloud]

Make these freaks leave me alone.

Cev unethically gaming again. I knew he was up to no good.

Speaking of which, those WA’s came in handy, Cev.

[hybrid vale]

it's always nutty when i see no number in the externals category for someone in top 10 where as everyone else has like 6+

[timid cloud]

I’m now not 100% dogshit with my gameplay now.

[bleak sky]

but movement speed

good

[timid cloud]

I’m only 99%

[limber lion]

good stuff

[bleak sky]

go zoom zoom

[hybrid vale]

they use the feathers on holy

[timid cloud]

You only B&S on Shadow really

[bleak sky]

@limber lion

[hybrid vale]

only thing you will pws for is the fairy thing

or maybe if ur desperate and have to move

[timid cloud]

It goes on the target naturally.

[hybrid vale]

and pom and renew already out on the guy

[timid cloud]

The one you choose.

[limber lion]

I didn't even use pot in the beginning of that pull

[timid cloud]

You have to manually swap it off.

[hybrid vale]

ya but usually you dont want it o the same guy

[limber lion]

because I got tilted by the PI

[limber lion]

gg

[bleak sky]

[timid cloud]

[bleak sky]

my man is getting simped out of his mind

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[bleak sky]

absolutely tainted logs

disgraceful parses

[limber lion]

ye

it's over

[hybrid vale]

14??

[limber lion]

Like I just said

[timid cloud]

Yeah. Cev whispering them during jailer fight.

[limber lion]

literally 2 minutes ago

I think I might have the most externals out of anyone

or close to it

[timid cloud]

Go ahead & send me 75 externals like that one priest on Sylvanas.

[limber lion]

just because I had 2 priests use PI and faeries on me

:::::::::::::::::::::)

[bleak sky]

gotta whisper your buyers/priests not to fuck you up

[timid cloud]

Who got beat by a natty parsing Druid IIRC

[limber lion]

I whispered our priest

[bleak sky]

"ayo i'lll pay you my cut to not PI me thanks"

[limber lion]

he didn't reply

[marble hemlock]

500k gold worth spent

[bleak sky]

[limber lion]

and just kept going

[hybrid vale]

spams macro: guild members, remember this is about my parses first and foremost, killing the boss second. priests, pi and BF ONLY WHEN i whisper you the command. Don;t fuck it up this time

[limber lion]

good thing we don't get any externals in mythic

[marble hemlock]

will have to do it again next time you boost

[timid cloud]

“DONT PI ME YOU FUCKING CRINGE FREAK” - Cev 2022

[limber lion]

demos would whine too much if someone stole their stuff

[limber lion]

:(

[timid cloud]

[tawdry token]

@limber lion i still love you

[marble hemlock]

what else am i gonna spend gold on

[hybrid vale]

I've also delivered a weak aura package that will give you a warning text effect when I use vendetta so you can't possibly fuck it up. if you don't download the package, you're kicked

[kindred rapids]

The worst is when you get thrown 1 PI at the end of a fight because their PI target died

If I'm going to get externals might as well go big

[hybrid vale]

they call that the pitty PI

[hollow escarp]

I have a solution for you

[hybrid vale]

post mordem PI

[hollow escarp]

#showtooltip
/cast Mutilate
/cancelaura Power Infusion

[marble hemlock]

still shows on logs

[hollow escarp]

yeah

[kindred rapids]

Ruined my guardian parse lol

[hollow escarp]

can't ruin parse if you don't get top 100 even with externals

[marble hemlock]

ruining parsers parses

[limber lion]

Sorry mate

[marble hemlock]

oneo f the great enjoyments in wow that are still around

[hybrid vale]

just let the priests use it on themselves

[hollow escarp]

turn it into Time Warp

[limber lion]

Ya, externals should be self-cast buffs

[vestal wren]

only 14, what a noob

[silver musk]

PI me

[drowsy parcel]

50 pulls to kill lords, 200 pulls to kill rygelon

[hybrid vale]

if you don't collect loot from the great vault and participate in great vault rewarding activiites the next week do you forfeit your previous vaults loot

[drowsy parcel]

any bets on how many for jailer

[vestal wren]

you don't, you can loot both the week after

[hybrid vale]

how long is each pull

[hybrid vale]

oh that's good

[hollow escarp]

@limber lion boosting with my guildies

[hybrid vale]

forgot mine on one of my guys

[hollow escarp]

recognized 4 names in that jailer log

[limber lion]

which ones

[hollow escarp]

farrok and dklouk

[limber lion]

ooh

[kindred rapids]

is it cache over sigil for anduin?

[limber lion]

just play sigil

[kindred rapids]

hmm okay

[strange python]

We took like 60-80 for lords, 100 for rygelon, and are now 190 jailer and still in p2.

[limber lion]

assuming you prog mythic, you'd play Sigil

if you wanna pad unethical dumb parse, then play Cache

with 2 full intermissions

[drowsy parcel]

i just want to play poe on friday man

[strange python]

Just get benched

[drowsy parcel]

this tier is way too long

[strange python]

This tier sucks

[limber lion]

Yeh

[strange python]

Least enjoyable raid tier I've done ever

[limber lion]

I'm kinda sadge there wasn't any good games around when I was benched'

coulda banged out some poe in the meanwhile

but instead I played osrs and fortnite

lmao

[strange python]

Playing songs of conquest this shit slaps

[vestal wren]

we are only 2 months in the tier, the xpac will last a while still

[drowsy parcel]

i meant progress wise mostly

[vast loom]

is corruption vendor even out yet if this was nya

[limber lion]

no

[hollow escarp]

not a chance

[vestal wren]

i was mostly memeing, i know that mythic progression is fairly slow this tier

[strange python]

Corruption vendor was like 6 months in or some heinous shit

[hollow escarp]

pretty late indeed

[strange python]

How many pulls out is the kill if we have jailer at 50

[shy dust]

Probably 200

[bleak sky]

all you need is 1 good pull

[strange python]

No way they do another 200 pulls this week without OT

Rip hof.

[shy dust]

Oh at 50

Probably 100ish I’d say

[strange python]

Oh. maybe then

[shy dust]

Or 150

Depending on how y’all play given p3 is one of the harder phases

[strange python]

Part of me is curious if they blame me for missing HoF for not feinting on halondrus if they miss it

I haven't even watched a single pull tbh

[glass tulip]

I hope they do blame it on that

then you forever become a part of their guild lore

[bleak sky]

@ebon notch getting boosted

[subtle tundra]

💀 💀 💀 💀

[vestal wren]

"the man" steps in

[subtle tundra]

imagine needing help from wf players

[vestal wren]

it still is only 1 person

[kindred rapids]

Did you ask why they didn't just heal you?

[vestal wren]

so they still need to pull their weight to a certain degree

[bleak sky]

daps absolutely shitting on the man?????? new hire for liquid?????

[strange python]

F stands for fourth?

[bleak sky]

nah fifth

[vestal wren]

oh, the stream quality is not only that bad on my end

[oak sky]

Everyone knows now

[ebon notch]

we literally cannot kill bosses without them

dont flame

[kindred heron]

Bahahaha

[oak sky]

Lmaoo

Nnoggie died for this

[ebon notch]

im meant to do more but

they changes the bomb assignments

so im permanently at the back of the room

poor ranged dont have enough mobility or something

[oak sky]

Weirdge

[bleak sky]

<NOCCO> is the new <iKTB>

daps about to get picked up by a big guild

no cap

[oak sky]

Dying after jailer?

Nice

[vestal wren]

iktb does not ring a bell

[kindred rapids]

it's junkrats guild I think

[bleak sky]

intern killed the boss

[hollow escarp]

well

[ebon notch]

hopefully not they giga disbanded

[hollow escarp]

it was intern made this boss

[shy dust]

So they disband soon

[hollow escarp]

before

[oak sky]

That guild is dead

[kindred rapids]

oh dang I didn't know

[oak sky]

They'll either reform in some capacity or all the players will spread out and make other guilds better

[hollow escarp]

or play wildstar

oh wait

[oak sky]

Sadge

[vestal wren]

[oak sky]

I wonder if i wouldve tried wildstar

[glass tulip]

wait iktb disbanded?

[bleak sky]

yep

[glass tulip]

:o

[ebon notch]

anyone wanna choose my details name

this one is worn out my cover is blown

[hollow escarp]

Ceverion

[fresh kernel]

I'm gonna do my rogue friend a injustice here but WO 2.0 as she has been running that for a while now.

[bleak sky]

"nice hof varas"

[subtle tundra]

hof still open buddy

we get it

[drifting cloud]

varas personally banned those china guilds to get it under 100

[ebon notch]

i cant besmirch his good name

[hollow escarp]

yeah, JPC's damage meter only goes up to 4

[ebon notch]

budget ceverion

nvm its too long

[hollow escarp]

wait, Moadmoad is in your guild?

[ebon notch]

ye

[bleak sky]

get the weakaura

[hollow escarp]

so that's how you convinced James to join you

[subtle tundra]

who is moadmoad

[bleak sky]

https://wago.io/uq0Uox6Ta

[ebon notch]

thats unethical

[bleak sky]

bis aura

can put the whole vaporeon copypasta in there

[glass tulip]

actually bis

I make mine full sentences

[subtle tundra]

did you know

[hollow escarp]

I disabled details nicknames

[ebon notch]

cev flaming me in jpc chat

unbelievable

[oak sky]

W

[bleak sky]

cev is jealous

[glass tulip]

jealous he isnt the man

[ebon notch]

if you dont get 2nd set of bombs

it fucks your second set of cds

unless you get omega lucky

[oak sky]

Just realized i simmed all my gear upgrades without dauntless duelist

[limber lion]

if you don't get?

[ebon notch]

if you get 2nd set you cant get 3rd

[drifting cloud]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/afAZRTuA9JwVvtPdPXgJ4v

[limber lion]

ah that's what you mean

[ebon notch]

cds are still on cd during 2nd set

[drifting cloud]

can someone explain what raidbots is doing here

[subtle tundra]

nah

actually

get good

[limber lion]

looks bugged, just run it again

[drifting cloud]

Ive run it like 5 times

[subtle tundra]

if you play well you dont lose any gcds in flag

with bomba

[glass tulip]

someone send me vaporeon copy pasta @viscid spear

or minal

[oak sky]

Could you get an alternate unity in there and catalyze the gloves

Legs perhaps

[bleak sky]

I got that shit on speed dial mav

[glass tulip]

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eA9P4EQWAQJkk9VHQ9BFUu

@drifting cloud

[woeful meteor]

On Mythic Lords, Dusk or Zoldyck? FAQ says Dusk but logs are 60% Dusk and 40% Zoldyck with the higher ones preferring Zoldyck.

[drifting cloud]

zoldyck is comfy

[limber lion]

Zoldyck

[drowsy parcel]

zoldyck

ez 2 min between swarms dusk just makes it weird

[limber lion]

No questions

[drifting cloud]

is lps better than wps for dd cev?

[ebon notch]

you do if you are permanently at the back of the room

[woeful meteor]

Ok ty

[oak sky]

@ebon notch see p2 today

[ebon notch]

we were just in p2

[oak sky]

PagMan

Better get hof

You have all week

[ebon notch]

any time im beating the PI'd mage

is a good time

[drifting cloud]

[ebon notch]

hes right

we have until next tues

[drifting cloud]

you raiding 5days this week?

[oak sky]

They can make it

[ebon notch]

we are considering adding an extra day

we see how it goes

[drifting cloud]

youre prolly what, 200 wipes away realistically

minimum

[subtle tundra]

wait, that fire mage thats doing the same dps as me is getting PI'd?

imma call him out

fucking crazyguy

[ebon notch]

we had comp changes

cause our ranged are feeling too squishy

[drifting cloud]

no flame daps but looking at your older bosses wipe counts no shot you do it this week

[ebon notch]

hahaha

entirely possible

progress has been a bit painful

[subtle tundra]

druids play fulllllllllll bear mode bro

[ebon notch]

we lost a bunch of people to MDI

including our main tank

during halondrus and anduin

[bleak sky]

cringe

[drifting cloud]

yeah that will do it

[ebon notch]

we recruited our new main tank mid prog

and hes actually a diamond in the rough

dudes nuts

[drifting cloud]

our guild has fun times ahead, early june we basically cant raid for like 2 weeks

[ebon notch]

he was 2/11 when we picked him up and threw him into anduin

[drifting cloud]

so were trying to kill jailer before that, just started rygelon lol

were gonna be doing jailer with double healer os

[subtle tundra]

just kill the boss?

[drifting cloud]

we raid 2 days

[bleak sky]

just raid 5 days

lollllllllllllll

[subtle tundra]

oh

if we get hof we'd get it with 3 days no additional days

and only 1 hour additional time

[oak sky]

Ur getting it

[subtle tundra]

just kill boss

[drifting cloud]

thats nice gaming varas

[oak sky]

Varas ur in p3 right

Like deeo

Deep

[subtle tundra]

bro i have exam tmr morning and im typing in ravenhold

yea 20% wipers

[oak sky]

Thats so me

[bleak sky]

what do you study varas

[subtle tundra]

many mathematics

[bleak sky]

please dont say my mom

oh ok math

[oak sky]

Studying meth

Hes just like walter white

[subtle tundra]

also @ebon notch 's mom?

[ebon notch]

u ok bro

[subtle tundra]

bro im studying "special mathematics" like how can i be ok

😠

[bleak sky]

it's just math bro

[subtle tundra]

why alk tho

meth head looking ass

i swear i took some notes yesterday and i lost them

[ebon notch]

XD

[fleet anchor]

Rogue chat probably can be considered studying for math class right?

[subtle tundra]

surely the prof will give me additional points for getting hof?

[fleet anchor]

😄

[bleak sky]

just prove something pretty varas

unrelated to your exam

but show good proof

[ebon notch]

i tried to get james to play venth assa

cause he didnt have mikanikos unlocked

and it didnt work

[subtle tundra]

just tell him the truth

he bad

💀

[vestal wren]

i can mute you if you want

[subtle tundra]

please

do

[vestal wren]

!mute @subtle tundra 8h self requested mute.

[glass tulip]

bye varas

[ebon notch]

wait so calling streamers bad gets you muted?

[bleak sky]

no he needs to study

[ebon notch]

oh true

[bleak sky]

now we can flame him and he can't answer

[ebon notch]

varas

watch him just hop in the DMs instead

[empty hinge]

i miss varas

[rotund oak]

let him study,math>wow

[bleak sky]

not even 10 sec after the mute

💀

[ebon notch]

[rotund oak]

we can all interrogate @limber lion for his heroic logs

[oak sky]

Varas mute this

[ebon notch]

pantsgrab

[glass tulip]

you can mute me with that

[ebon notch]

XD

[drifting cloud]

[ebon notch]

new details name in ur honor

[glass tulip]

lets see it on this pull

[bleak sky]

[glass tulip]

daps blinded the man

[bleak sky]

daps inting

[ebon notch]

cba bro

[bleak sky]

[ebon notch]

literally

[ebon notch]

@bleak sky blasting the enha shaman just for u bby

[bleak sky]

fotm rogue the absolute gigachad of europe

[ebon notch]

dont tell perfecto

[bleak sky]

whomegalul

[oak sky]

Bro the uk isnt in europe

[ebon notch]

it is physically

[oak sky]

No idea what u mean

Britain is an empire

Bruv

[thorn fjord]

Europe doesnt exist

Kinda like birds

[echo geyser]

@ebon notch wait

u killed it?

[bleak sky]

yes

[limber lion]

I simmed them both, your high ilvl LP is better

[bleak sky]

they are hall of fame

boosting jpc now

[ebon notch]

sub 150 pull

[rotund oak]

assuming its the jailor we are talking congrats!

[limber lion]

nope

[rotund oak]

Dont wanna be weird but https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hJWZBz9HjTQpP4fN#fight=4&type=casts&source=57&view=timeline 😅

analyzing u,step by step

[limber lion]

analyzing guardian logs probs aint much use

just spam sbs on everything that doesn't have it, gar/rup everything, use cds on the big boys

win

[rotund oak]

everything is,im talking my time,with coffee,checking the snd timelines as well

step by step

[drowsy parcel]

american sbsniper

[rotund oak]

the typical bleed ups is a walk in the park

[echo geyser]

@ebon notch real?

[ebon notch]

no

whats that dog emote that you use

[limber lion]

[ebon notch]

buzzkill

smh

[glass tulip]

[limber lion]

ramfam ignored me anyways

so gg

[bleak sky]

no the french dog

[ebon notch]

selective reading

few more days of progress and then i state my case for PI

i will win

[limber lion]

dog

[bleak sky]

[ebon notch]

begin the consumption

of my ass

[echo geyser]

@limber lion im mid prog

and i just lied to my guild cause of @ebon notch

i said nocco killed it

[bleak sky]

[echo geyser]

[ebon notch]

[polar cape]

[broken flint]

Is there any video guide on the venthyr snapshotting

[limber lion]

I'm making one soon

:)

[broken flint]

Well that doesn’t help

Jk 😛

[limber lion]

Other than that there's just pins/faq/wowhead guide

[ebon notch]

@bleak sky ur pumping

[oak sky]

Whats he doing brk

O

[ebon notch]

what

[bleak sky]

pumping

he just said it

tf

[oak sky]

?

[bleak sky]

¿

[ebon notch]

minalba spanish confirmed

doxxed

[bleak sky]

glad im not portuguese

P rtugal

[oak sky]

Imagine spawning in portugal

[ashen scroll]

Canada spawn is bis

outside of the cold

[solid mica]

We run zoldyck on lords even with 4p? Thought pins said dusk

[ebon notch]

too close to the US

[ashen scroll]

actually true

[oak sky]

Yes

[solid mica]

Thx homie

[rotund oak]

poggers

[limber lion]

pins mention nothing of using Dusk on Lords

[solid mica]

Sry it's in faq

[sharp wigeon]

When is the next legion timewalking event?

[hollow river]

Hopefully never

[royal lantern]

why is the ring effect still not removed 🙂

[mortal pike]

why do so few people play assa, ill never understand

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[versed mica]

Bc so many people have a hard on for sub for some reason

[vestal wren]

it had a rough start in the tier due to tier set aquisition

[vestal wren]

because it was actually the stronger choice early in the tier

the opening of the catalyst did more or less make it more appealing for the reason mentioned above

[versed mica]

I mean yeah, but I often see rogue mains upset when sub ain't the top rogue spec. I'm just being grumpy bc I find sub to be boring lmao

[vestal wren]

i won't rly judge anyone personal preference on whatever spec they like/dislike

If you see rogue mains upset that sub is bad, it was mostly because the only strong spec for the class was for 2 xpacs assassination

if we talk about raiding

and even this xpac, statistically seen assassination is the best spec for rogue

so even tho sin was not the best spec initially in CN, it was buffed multiple times

what di in the end mean that sin did move up to the top spot

sanctum of domination had all 3 specs fairly close at the top

and even in the current raid, specs are not that far appart (even tho i would argue that current raid statistics are somewhat missleading)

[versed mica]

I see how people are tired of sin and find it boring after three expacks of hardly any talent changes, but idk, I find managing bleeds and pandemic, energy pooling, etc to be more engaging than slamming two buttons during dance and then slowly backstabbing my way back to another dance to be very fun

And I don't like spamming two buttons in m+ either

I played sin for BFA M+ because it did decent damage and it was challenging

[vestal wren]

just to demonstrate how one sided it was, this was legion in terms of spec distribution

ToS when sub was assumed way better still had 1/3 of the rogue playerbase play assassination

i sadly didn't make a similar graph for bfa, but bfa was even more one sided with sub basically non existent

[versed mica]

I would argue that was because in legion sub was noticably more complicated to play

Lol yeah sub was really bad in BFA

[vestal wren]

so, people who complain when subtlety is bad, do so because blizz did a terrible job balancing the 3 specs

and always had a high bias towards assassination

and it makes sense, sin was always fairly straight forward and forgiving

making the "simpler" spec strong means you appeal to a wider audience

[limber lion]

Not so simple anymore

[solid mica]

Lol

You think it'd be better to use double on use for lords to have something up for each burn or just have a passive and a on use for a few of em?

Have a couple trinkets to choose from @limber lion

[mystic fractal]

Assa is like the affliction of rogues, very long stretches of being significantly better than the alternatives right?

[viscid spear]

'ate cloth
'ate mail
'ate plate
'ate healing
'ate tanking
luv stabbing
simple as

[cerulean nest]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[turbid harbor]

those legendary boots were such a horrible idea

sub performed horribly without them, but you wanted the assa spec specific as they were great for assa too

if you set your loot spec to sub and didn't get boots it would've felt so bad

[versed mica]

What legendary boots?

[turbid harbor]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=137032/shadow-satyrs-walk

made it so you could cast properly during dance

[versed mica]

Oh right

Yeah it was wack

And the sub artifact weapon ability was just another button to press

[hybrid vale]

When the heck are we getting a preview of 10.0 assa 🥶

[versed mica]

I hope new talent trees means rework, but it probably won't happen lmao

[viscid spear]

Here's a preview of that 10.0 ass

[tidal gorge]

[Sin now] [Sin in 10.0]

It's the same picture

[pearl ingot]

Is shiv with two assa rogues now fixed in mythic raid?

[limber lion]

yes

[pearl ingot]

Ty

[gusty mirage]

now we're all trashcans together

#feelsgoodman

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage did you see me blasting on stream today

[glass tulip]

"blasting"

[languid crag]

so real fast question... does sin do anything on aoe or is it really just a funnel/mostly ST spec

[harsh anchor]

makes everything bleed

[ebon notch]

[candid badger]

fkn bastard

[balmy condor]

Single target mostly, 2 target is good too

funnel sucks

aoe sucks

[languid crag]

ok just wanted to make sure, im pleb geared atm, gonna pick up my two leggos soon and work toward 4pc

[carmine dawn]

how is my assa sim over 1k+ higher than my sub sim

[ebon notch]

thats a bit too much of a diff

lmao

[cyan kite]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[carmine dawn]

false alarm im an idiot

[echo geyser]

whos that

[bleak sky]

link sims

I wanna see

[carmine dawn]

no

assa is still like 200ish worse

i have no assa gear lmao im at 1% haste on sub

[oak sky]

bro im at 7

[carmine dawn]

bro im such a liar

i just checked my assa gearset is at 20

[gusty mirage]

[carmine dawn]

[gusty mirage]

bro fuck anduin

this boss sucks dick

almost as shit as pantheon

almost

[carmine dawn]

[zinc frost]

I dunno man, I played it on my survival hunter and it feels fine

[brazen zodiac]

pantheon fun

:)

[strange python]

Both good :)

[gusty mirage]

false

both shit

awful bosses

dogshit

[glass tulip]

pantheon sent from hell

worst boss I have raided ever

[gusty mirage]

pantheon is literally the worst boss ever made

[glass tulip]

mechanic vomit for no reason

[gusty mirage]

I'd rather do KT

500 times in a row

[oak sky]

pantheon is so bad

kt was just stupid

im gonna try dusk this week on vg

i had been zoldyck still

[soft tapir]

looking at the sin guide, I've never played sin before, nor do I have ANY idea how it plays

what is a "pandemic" window

[bleak sky]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[bleak sky]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[bleak sky]

it's also on the wowhead gugide

The refresh windows for maintenance abilities without snapshotting are based on the so-called "pandemic" mechanic. When you refresh a bleed (or Slice and Dice), up to 30% of the new duration (scaling with combo points) are taken from the active effect and added to the new duration. In other words, you can refresh with less than 30% of the new duration left on the active one.

didnt bother checking the other ones but I'm sure it's there

[split grail]

Does vigilant guardian have some kind of natural nature or bleed resist. Even on normal I jsut can't do damage

[ebon notch]

bruh pantheon is so easy now

just kill the boss

and interrupt

[ebon notch]

wait till you hit jailer

you will want to quit

[gusty mirage]

I've wanted to quit before the raid came out

[bleak sky]

at least jailer seems interesting

anduin

[split grail]

So can anyone tell me why I can't get above like 9k on vigilant?

[bleak sky]

idk

post a log

kinda impossible to tell why without a log

at least I'm doing my job right guys hahaaa big funnel

[sour wraith]

raid utility with prey on the weak

[bleak sky]

[burnt latch]

how far did u guys get today?

[ebon notch]

almost p3

very close

huge gains actually

roster seems quite motivated for once

[burnt latch]

Nice one, should be ez 2-3 nights and kill

We got the boy down today aswell

[ebon notch]

we have a full week now

oh really?

huge

[burnt latch]

99th

[ebon notch]

gzgz

[burnt latch]

Danke danke

Off to new adventures for me now tho

Server transfered before logging off for the night

[burnt latch]

Are u guys doing extra raids or sticking to schedule?

[ebon notch]

we want to add 1 day

cause we cancelled a raid last week during ryg

and ofc hof push

[ebon notch]

wait where

leak

[burnt latch]

Yeah I think its fair, hopefully u can get a solid roster for the extra day cuz u guys r really close

Im going to stormreaver to check out the finnish raiding scene

[ebon notch]

wait ur finnish?

[burnt latch]

Yeah

[ebon notch]

i thought you were british

no cap

[burnt latch]

Loool

I get that a lot tbh dont really have the usual finnish accent

[bleak sky]

bro why do you hate warcieft

[ebon notch]

tell me its korruptio

[burnt latch]

Yeah

[ebon notch]

LETS GO DUDE

[bleak sky]

gamer detected

[ebon notch]

fucking huge

[bleak sky]

sheeeeeeessh

[ebon notch]

massive gz

[burnt latch]

Thanks man

Gonna be interesting to see if I can keep up

[ebon notch]

i wonder if i can make a jump

[burnt latch]

Theyre gamers

[ebon notch]

thats what im afraid of

have a chat with cev

[bleak sky]

so

[ebon notch]

he used to raid there

[bleak sky]

you went from NOCCO to korruptio?

[ebon notch]

huh

[burnt latch]

Yeah need to talk with him,

[bleak sky]

o I thought they were your raid buddy

[ebon notch]

nah i did some keys with him

he replaced me in an m+ group

but he was a blaster

[burnt latch]

And honestly just gotta try, u cant really say before youve tried

[ebon notch]

so i didnt care

ye ofc always take the shot

[burnt latch]

Like if im not good enough then fair play, its not a shame as those guys are insane, if I do well then even better

Really hyped tho, they seem like really cool dudes on top of being rly good at the game haha

[ebon notch]

finnish scene is super tight knit

im sure you'll do fine

[burnt latch]

In 3 weeks ive devolved back into a thick finnish accent and nobody cant understand my english anymore

[ebon notch]

did you play any assa in raid?

[burnt latch]

Not this time around, my assa sim was so far behind because I didnt manage to get a 278 dagger

[ebon notch]

oof

in korruptio im expecting some blasting

[burnt latch]

Couldve played it on rygelon but raid lead wanted us to play sub

[ebon notch]

assa pumps on that boss

gotta ignore the rl

mine wouldnt stop pestering me

dotting up the core and getting insane energy regen for boss

[burnt latch]

Yeah it does, but at the time there was like 3 public logs of sin on that fight so they wanted us to go sub for safety i guess

[ebon notch]

hits so good

HAHAHA

same thing they said to me

[burnt latch]

Actually pumped to play sin on reclears tho the new venthyr stuff is so much fun

Well ”new” but the haste snapshotting

[ebon notch]

it is a lot of fun

cause its a bit degen but

[burnt latch]

Sanctum sin was really boring to me, much prefered kyrian sub last tier, but I prefer venth sin this tier gameplay wise

[ebon notch]

you do insane amounts of damage

[burnt latch]

Yeah with 278 sigil the opener is soooo fat

imo kyrian sub got kinda ruined by 2 piece

It was by far my favorite spec last patch

[ebon notch]

kyrian sub feels really good

bth

tbh

but its a slot machine

its really proc dependent how much damage you do

[burnt latch]

Ye and I dont like the rng aspect of the 2 set, 4 set and sht working against each other kinda. Last patch i enjoyed it because you could easily hit every cp before er is back

[bleak sky]

tfw wiped the raid on anduin

[burnt latch]

Now if u get giga rng ull never hit those early cps, and it means ur probs doing a lot of dam because of it but still feels clunky to me

[bleak sky]

im about to fork socket

[burnt latch]

[ebon notch]

true

the big pv backstabs tho

they hit diff

[burnt latch]

Truuuu

[ebon notch]

i have you on bnet no?

[burnt latch]

hmm im not sure i dont think so

Thatsvwhy i msgd u ingame today

Haha

[ebon notch]

whats ur btag

dm me or smth

[burnt latch]

Ye hold on i dont remeber it myself

Sec

The cringiest bnet tag of all time lmao

[ebon notch]

[burnt latch]

Mr celebrity over here

[ebon notch]

again

smh

[burnt latch]

Dude i did the biggest bnet purge

Cuz i went to my social tab to see if any mages were gaming from last season for a key

And like

6/10 of them were fucking warlocks now

3/10 hunters

Actually insane

[ebon notch]

smart

[burnt latch]

[oak sky]

r2 on sausage

[ebon notch]

how much

[oak sky]

4 pis

no 6

oh

you meant

16.16 ish

didnt have lp though but i think thats fine

[ebon notch]

my rank 1 from like