assassination

[bleak sky]

!ban Whispyr go commit die

[balmy condor]

I got this dent in my shoulder idk when I got it but it's really fucking smooth

should I be concerned

why is it so smooth

[brazen zodiac]

hey thats really cool thanks for sharing man

:)

[oak sky]

i know its not sarcastic but it still comes across as sarcastic

i should just leave

[brazen zodiac]

fuck

the internet so cruel

[balmy condor]

no no, is jok

who in your family lives up here

[bleak sky]

joe

[oak sky]

my dad grew up there my grandpa and my uncle and his family live there still

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[balmy condor]

oh so like a lot of people

[oak sky]

yeah basically my whole dads side

[balmy condor]

my whole dads side, and my whole moms side both live in germany

[oak sky]

one of my cousins is in college and the other will be soon so it wont be a lot of family there for long

[oak sky]

i have giga extended family that ill definitely never meet in germany

[brazen zodiac]

i wonder if they live next to mine who also live in germany

[oak sky]

people i dont know about but definitely exist

[balmy condor]

why is everyone german

[oak sky]

im not as german as you

[brazen zodiac]

i have others in russia

[oak sky]

im like 1/8th german at least maybe up to a half idk

[balmy condor]

damn don't care

[hybrid vale]

Guys have you ever had to bonk a pupper for pooping on the carpet

[bleak sky]

damn I wonder what happened to yermany a few years ago that made them spread across the world

[oak sky]

never had a pupper never will

[balmy condor]

stick his nose in it

[hybrid vale]

I think it’s bonking time

[oak sky]

yeah why would my great grandfather have left in the 1930s Clueless

[bleak sky]

no because hitting animals is cringe

[hybrid vale]

Bonk isn’t hit

It’s love

[bleak sky]

[hybrid vale]

On the real, hitting animals isn’t just cringe, it’s worse than that

It’s a terrible thing I can’t even Imagine

[oak sky]

good luck with the pupper

[hybrid vale]

Thx, he’s 6 not really pupper probably just got fed something from a family member

Without them thinking of the consequences

[fast roost]

Im thinking abaut the Bis list for patch 9.2.5 witch the old raids coming Back, and i See sylvi again for the daggers at max i LVL

Or 9.3 idk how they will call it

What you think will do better assa or sub with the come Back of old items

[zinc frost]

The fact that we will be keeping tier sets tell me that they will be pretty close. Perhaps sub pushing a bit more ahead with 2 x sylvanas daggers but too early to tell

[late birch]

convert domination gear into tier and use dom shards and tier bonus

[balmy condor]

They already said dom isn’t coming back

[late birch]

I know, was just as a what if kinda thing

[drifting cosmos]

do ppl still run vigor in keys these days?

sorry havent been following sin for a while

4p is definitely ...interesting in a way you have to refresh dots multiple times during that period

[bleak sky]

nope

mfd for venthyr, ds for necro

[drifting cosmos]

😀 that makes a lot more sense, ty

[pale plank]

How’s Sin compared to sub in dps for raiding?

[bleak sky]

about the same

but more consistent

[sly isle]

I just got the weapon cache trinket when do i use which weapon or should i always use the haste one?

[steady dome]

Hi, is the best covenant for Sin Venthyr?

[bleak sky]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[bleak sky]

#assassination-faq

[brazen zodiac]

got u minal

[bleak sky]

ty vita

[sly isle]

oh ok

@bleak sky ty 🙂

[bleak sky]

np np

[steady dome]

ok Venthyr it is. Also, it does not say on the faq. But do you go stealth before engaging in a fight like Sub rogues do?

[bleak sky]

it's on the guide for sure

oh faq

[pale plank]

But sub is ahead in aoe right?

[bleak sky]

yeah still, I guess the order is read guide -> read faq

[bleak sky]

yes but in the grand scheme of things sub aoe is still trash

[pale plank]

Lol

I thought they were good

[bleak sky]

eh

not really

[steady dome]

ok sorry did not see that, thanks Minalba

[bleak sky]

np np

all rogues start from stealth basically

[fading wigeon]

They aoe is pretty good in large pulls when you compare it to assassination, but your job is to funnel damage into dangerous mobs anyways.

[bleak sky]

sub funnel isn't all that great

and you don't need to funnel as much as you might think

[royal cliff]

For you all that still rock sin in m+, what's your typical rotation look like on say 5-10 targets?

[bleak sky]

fok -> hit 1cp -> cry

[royal cliff]

rofl fair

[brazen zodiac]

wrong. fok -> hit 1 cp -> fok again -> hit 1 cp -> activate subtly specialization

[bleak sky]

but on a serious note

fok -> spread bleeds -> keep snd up -> rinse and repeat

flag big mob, vendetta big mob

vanish spread garrotes

[royal cliff]

Rogue's my alt and we are just sellin 15s I will push with my fury warrior so I'd rather just enjoy a spec than to mash BP

how many targets should I try to get rupture on though?

[bleak sky]

yes

[glass tulip]

As many as you can while they will still be alive to have the bleed on them

[royal cliff]

makes sense ty

Is it worth poisoned katar or is that a jebait

[bleak sky]

conduits don't really matter

take covenant one + whatever

usually WPS or PK or LP

[glass tulip]

Personally I am a well placed steel / lethal poisons enjoyer

Along with covenant one first, always

[subtle tundra]

I'm a pk lover on venthyr

[bleak sky]

you're a copium lover

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/pk-fire-pk-burn-ness-smash-earthbound-gif-20299233

[subtle tundra]

I would do ANYTHING to not get 1cp foks in flag

anything

[native belfry]

it's easy, just spec sub

[subtle tundra]

Assa > sub

Get real

[native belfry]

I honestly don't understand why fok doesn't work like storm, it's just a shitshow

[subtle tundra]

Cause that would be boring

[native belfry]

if you don't get a 1 cp fok

[native belfry]

How is reliable boring?

[subtle tundra]

Not this again

Not gonna say anything

Cba

[native belfry]

[subtle tundra]

I've talked about this like 5 times before

[bleak sky]

search

in: assassination fok ss

you'll find a few discussions

[subtle tundra]

Reliable doesn't mean less boring

[violet hemlock]

vers is reliable but def boring

[zinc frost]

I’m gonna go back to assa in keys, wanna try some higher tyrannical keys.

[bleak sky]

I've been telling myself for the past 3 weeks

and for the past 3 weeks I've been running 1 key/week

[zinc frost]

Assa is meta for tyrannical

[glass tulip]

@bleak sky extended raid?

Better be farming keys for 278 daggies

I'm stuck at 272/265

[bleak sky]

I can do 272/272

but cba running keys honest to god

every key I ran on allliance was god awful unless it was with guildies

[glass tulip]

True, I pugged on new toon and got stuck in elo hell

Untimed a 13, 3 times

[bleak sky]

weird how running 20s on horde felt fine but 20s on alliance is nightmare

[glass tulip]

Gotta move to alliance on EU so you can get into groups with Ram

[bleak sky]

yeah let me take my sorry barely 3k ass into rams group

[glass tulip]

They pug sometimes

I'm sure of it

[bleak sky]

last time I pugged with a big boi it was dorki

and he laughed at my io

[glass tulip]

major L

I think mine was Ellesmere

[subtle tundra]

I would take you guys on my alt keys

🥰

[bleak sky]

I would absolutely shit on folyr and brownymage

(I wouldn't)

[subtle tundra]

What about varasedger

[bleak sky]

jailer wep

literally cheating

[subtle tundra]

True

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[ebon notch]

@bleak sky wait you're an alliance dude?

[echo geyser]

he raids with whispyr

[bleak sky]

not anymore

[bleak sky]

moved there a couple of weeks ago to raid

[echo geyser]

[bleak sky]

big sad

[echo geyser]

at least u can be a hottie nelf

[bleak sky]

but DH was too depressing to raid on, is no fun

[echo geyser]

[bleak sky]

ram i'm an ugly ass dwarf

[echo geyser]

disoster

well at least u got a nice racial

[bleak sky]

big racial

[echo geyser]

looks = 📉

[bleak sky]

stonks are down bad

perma toy

[echo geyser]

im kinda using perma toys on big boi tauren too

looks nice but too big

maybe ill finally farm that nelf toy

i just dont love the dress on it

my go to is noggenfogger but it takes up ur bank bags

and life

[potent dagger]

Haaaa Tauren rogue , aka the art of backstabing with a three trunk :x

[echo geyser]

lookin real stealthy big cow

[bleak sky]

this doesnt look bad at all tbhh

pretty good looking cow

[echo geyser]

yeah it looks good, just too big

[bleak sky]

[ebon notch]

Wait why did you stop raiding with whispyr

[bleak sky]

I didn't want to play dh anymore, venthyr is depressing

and they sure as hell don't have space for 2 rogues so

[ebon notch]

What world rank are they

Surely 2 rogues can be accommodated?

[bleak sky]

eh

[ebon notch]

My guild is gonna be running two rogues and we're on jailer now

[bleak sky]

big rogue stonks on jailer

[echo geyser]

u on jailer already? @ebon notch

wtf

big pump sin represent or?

[bleak sky]

daps dirty sub player

wait

maybe?

nocco juice = big powerful rogue?

[echo geyser]

daps always said he wants to one trick sin

[glass tulip]

Playing female blood elf is a DPS increase change my mind

[bleak sky]

blood elf is definitely bis

@subtle tundra is inting by playing troll

[zinc frost]

Smaller character frames = mechanics easier to see = 50-100dps increase

Tauren rogues gonna be malding over there grey parses because they can’t see shit

[glass tulip]

I changed my druid to glyph of stars because I couldn't see volcanic underneath the chicken

But I also had hella teammates running mechanics onto my head in raid because "your elf is so small I couldn't see you"

[subtle tundra]

???? Troll is amazong

[bleak sky]

¿?

[subtle tundra]

You can find me on twitch.tv/varras for sin jailer prog

Can give coaching

[glass tulip]

Yejoice

Appreciate you my man

[ebon notch]

Wtf I close disc for one second and already people slandering me

[ebon notch]

I might go sub cause I keep getting harassed by guild

[echo geyser]

[ebon notch]

This is cap

[echo geyser]

sub def safer and comfy

dmg im sure sin can do equal or more

[ebon notch]

If you don't proc you don't do damage

[echo geyser]

if u are skilled

[ebon notch]

With sin it's just playing well

@bleak sky

[echo geyser]

logs on phone

thats how u know u a real log watcher 💯

[ebon notch]

You never wake up in the middle of the night thinking "fuck could I have done this?"

Then open the logs and check

[glass tulip]

Does everyone not have warcraftlogs bookmarked on their phones?

[bleak sky]

fat 100

ezclap

[ebon notch]

Would've been a second one but it got sniped by an NA player before the lock in

[subtle tundra]

Me

[echo geyser]

rly had to sneak in that half 100

[subtle tundra]

Can't make the pic smaller

If I wanted to sneak in I would've done something else

This

[echo geyser]

this discord full of blasters

[ebon notch]

I wish I could've played sin on lihuvim

Also wish I didn't have to babysit my tanks on lords lmao

"someone take my debuff"

Yes sir right away sir

[void carbon]

I was reading the Pinned comments what isbMFD

[ebon notch]

Is your profile picture you sitting on the toilet

[subtle tundra]

I send those to the homies

[void carbon]

Yeah you like that lmao

[echo geyser]

[ebon notch]

Haven't received a varas toilet pic yet

[void carbon]

It’s cause blizzard is shitting on the game

[ebon notch]

MFD stands for marked for death

Talent

[void carbon]

Ah ok

[ebon notch]

What does this mean btw

You always use it

[void carbon]

By the way

[echo geyser]

its a doge staring at u

[ebon notch]

Yeah but what does he want

[viscid spear]

[echo geyser]

he staring at u cause something is weird

[echo geyser]

[indigo mulch]

[ebon notch]

That's why you send me so many lmao

[viscid spear]

[echo geyser]

[ebon notch]

[void carbon]

For sin rogue I’m playing venthyr should I be use Theo for a soulbind I’ve been using nightblade

[zinc frost]

Nightblade?

You mean Nadija the mistblade? Both are good, Theo with haste tea is good, especially on fights where you can make good uptime on shade

[glass tulip]

which means that for raid nadjia is the preferable pick because of such high movement

for most bosses*

[void carbon]

Ok thank you

[indigo mulch]

I just run nadjia on everything nowdays 😒

cba swapping to theo ;/

[zinc frost]

If I get haste tea on skolex I’m chilling otherwise nadija as well.

[ebon notch]

that feeling when you roll haste tea

[bleak sky]

on sub

[zinc frost]

Bruh all I get is haste tea when I play sub in keys and vers when I go sin in raid. Theo hates me

[ebon notch]

true and real

[strange python]

Nadjia master race

[strange python]

Sameee

[gusty mirage]

The Ramfam special

Always disapawnted with us

[ebon notch]

bruh my guild is doing a meetup irl and one of them is livestreaming it

this is peak content

they were having a discussion and one of them just stands up and shouts "IVE SEEN YOUR LOGS"

[gusty mirage]

You should go

[ebon notch]

its in sweden

💀

[gusty mirage]

Fly

[subtle tundra]

I wouldn't be able to see my gm irl

He would strangle most of us

🥰 🥰 🥰

[zinc frost]

I mean.. the good kind or bad kind?

[subtle tundra]

Kill

[zinc frost]

Okay, so it’s the good kind, gotcha

[iron orchid]

annihilate

[iron orchid]

are you raiding tonight again ?

[subtle tundra]

No

[iron orchid]

jailer down ?

[subtle tundra]

No

[iron orchid]

when

[subtle tundra]

It's a Sunday Monday Tuesday angle

[zinc frost]

Baptism day today?

[subtle tundra]

Yes, I am a bit drunk but what can you do about it

[ebon notch]

my guild is saying they may add a day if hof doesnt close this reset

to try secure it on the next

jailer down in 2 weeks?

[drowsy parcel]

maybe, probably not? how many pulls did you have on anduin/lords/rygelon respectively

[subtle tundra]

Hof closes this week 95%

Surely we get it

[nova flax]

anyone here plying sin on jailer?

wats it like compared to sub

[vast loom]

i think varas is

atleast he was on stream a few days ago

[limber lion]

Should be really good

[nova flax]

id imagine the p3 damage is higher

[limber lion]

Yeah by quite a bit

[nova flax]

but losing 1 step would be sussy

[limber lion]

Yeah but we also play Venth so you'd have 2 doors

compared to playing Kyrian and not having that

So it's +-0

[nova flax]

yeah ig

[limber lion]

Shadowstep is more often than not the better choice, but you have alternatives as Assa

[nova flax]

also 2 doors. thought we rna nadjia?

cept for theo with haste tea?

[limber lion]

You can honestly run either

Nadja is def the better choice in terms of damage, but an extra door cast can be nice

It's not like the difference between the two is super duper giga big

[ebon notch]

classified info

[limber lion]

So going for the utility option might be a better choice

[ebon notch]

But we have a secret weapon

[drowsy parcel]

why

god im so fucking tired of private logs meta

it serves literally zero purpose

[gusty mirage]

You’re borrowing Cev next week?

[ebon notch]

Nah cause it's embarrassing and I'm eating

I'll post after I'm done

[ebon notch]

I tried didn't work

Even tried bribing him with NOCCO

[gusty mirage]

You don’t know the currency he cannot possibly refuse?

[limber lion]

same same same

[ebon notch]

Fortnite bux?

[gusty mirage]

Nah

I can’t leak cev’s secrets

[ebon notch]

DMs? 👀

[gusty mirage]

It may or may not have to do with RuneScape

But you didn’t hear it from me

[ebon notch]

Oh no

[limber lion]

I'm also interested to hear what it is

[gusty mirage]

[zinc frost]

RuneScape? I’m listening..

[subtle tundra]

Fun

And big dmg

And killing your teammates with bleeds as a bonus

You also don't need a 2nd shadowstep

It's more of a luxury

You position correctly and move correctly you should have 0 problems

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's not like you'll do 5k less dps because of that shadowstep

[subtle tundra]

Doing flag window while having bomb and not missing a single global makes me feel like a god

[ebon notch]

If you dot the MC targets and they break free are you still getting energy?

[subtle tundra]

Yes, but they will get mass dispelled so poison gets removed I think

[gusty mirage]

Dot them anyway for being mentally weak

[subtle tundra]

Yea I rupture those mother fuckers I don't carw

Fuck them

Especially dhs

Mostly dhs

[gusty mirage]

Based

[ebon notch]

Mass dispel doesn't remove physical effects right?

[subtle tundra]

Yes. No CT/gar/rupture removed

[ebon notch]

oh i misread

@drowsy parcel

lords was actually 29 or smth

but we double uploaded the logs and bugged it?

[limber lion]

29 pulls on Lords

[timid cloud]

[strange python]

We took 70

[subtle tundra]

What the fuck

What the fuuuuck

I'm so sorry

[limber lion]

wtf

[strange python]

I inted the first 15 pulls because I wasn't expecting anduin to die and was high. Then they sat me and took another 55 anyways

Scapegoat life

[limber lion]

that sounds terrible

[subtle tundra]

That's very... Questionable

[shut garnet]

[strange python]

They blamed 60 halondrus wipes on me not feinting reclaim

Which I was cloaking.

Took us 290 total

Just biding time till I get mount

[trim cairn]

What is the simc option for start health?

Alternatively is there an extensive list of simulationcraft options etc somewhere

[scarlet warren]

What the fuck

Should've just gquit then and there honestly 😂

[nova wolf]

did you learn your lesson lmao

[strange python]

Guild apping out with private logs during prog is heinous.

[drowsy parcel]

we took 50-60 on lords too

130-140 something on ryg and not dead yet

personal responsibility bosses arent going very good

not looking forward to jailer

[strange python]

They didn't even tell me until two weeks later when they benched me on ryg and I asked why

[nova wolf]

You can probably find people that are more fun to play with

[strange python]

That's my plan as soon as I get the mount and sales cuts are done

I'll put up with scapegoating for 6m

[limber lion]

jesus

I thought we took longer than expected when we took 12 pulls

[strange python]

Wanna hear a better one?

80 for artificer

[ebon notch]

i was expecting that many pulls myself

but then i remembered that we struggled on heroic

[balmy condor]

We needed like 30 on heroic

[hollow river]

lol?

[ebon notch]

you told them to fuck off right

[strange python]

Nah

[ebon notch]

the amount of people who dont stand up for themselves in their guild is insane

[strange python]

Private logs. I want my mount

[ebon notch]

if they say something thats wrong

[strange python]

It's not so easy to just leave

[ebon notch]

tell them

like stand your ground

if they kick you cause you tell them theyre wrong and they actually are

then you're better off

[strange python]

I mean it's a private trial thread, so I only hear about things when I ask or when friends tell me. So it's not like I can just out them (it'd be obvious)

The easiest option is just suck it up, get mount, get 6-10mil in sales gold, and peace out for 10.0

To live out my best feral life

[trim cairn]

Assa in M+ go brrr

Testing out the Cache Sword tech with gargoyles in hoa

[glass tulip]

stabs at this point you have to be like #46 on the list to get a mount lol

full roster, subs, 8 weeks of buyers then you

[ashen scroll]

what gargoyle tech?

[ebon notch]

[gusty mirage]

more haste = more gargoyle damage

[ashen scroll]

ooooh

[gusty mirage]

their autoattacks scale off your haste

[ashen scroll]

PI on rogue pog

[drowsy hollow]

does subterfuge garrotes on 4 targets into a shiv still feel good on higher keys or do pulls last too long? 😄

[limber lion]

I mean it's decent. Usually the longer the pull, the more we gain from it up to a certain point

We're not exactly a burst class so 4x garrote into CT into Shiv won't feel as good as a Destro lock raining down infernals or Marksman hunter doing 50k Aimed Shots on 5 targets.

[drowsy hollow]

felt good enough to me at least.

[limber lion]

Yeh definitely feels good for what it is

[drowsy hollow]

feels like the 2p was designed to help Sin's AoE which is a bit of a weakness at times.

[trim cairn]

no PI sadly

but did peak 80k dps with hero

on boss

[sonic schooner]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[brazen halo]

So I read in the Sin FAQ that with 4pc we switch to Subterfuge and Deeper Stratagem, but a lot of the text and reference rotations show MFD paired with Flag, it's 100% my own idiocy but whats the use cases here?

[misty holly]

Probably written at different times.

For a while Night Fae was the top covenant so that part was probably written without MFD

Then it switched

[limber lion]

I would suggest reading through it again

It mentions EP MA MFD CT multiple times and only ones mentions DS/Subt

The DS/Subt is a mistakr

Also the pins here explain everything you need to know about the current build

[brazen halo]

Alright alright gotcha. I just wasnt sure, since it was a mistake I thought there was a proper use case for Subt/DS my bad.

[bleak sky]

I mean there is a use case

It's necro m+

[hybrid vale]

Ya it’s nice with necrolord to have ds

Mfd doesn’t do much for them

[hybrid vale]

How close is subterfuge to ma on st? I reckon it can’t be that far off

For venth

[oak sky]

Close enough that its good in keys far enough that its not good in raid

[hybrid vale]

Your pfp reminds me of Lucio that’s why it tilted me

You main Lucio don’t you

[zinc frost]

It’s from Avatar homie

[oak sky]

I have the most hours on lucio but i main ana

Dont consider lucio my main really never have

[hybrid vale]

Reminds me of Lucio that’s all

I also main her she’s cool

[barren coyote]

is there any haste amount i should be aiming for?

same with crit

[ashen scroll]

Avatar is bis

[hollow river]

also good for NF

[hollow river]

nope

just use sims to see which gear best

[barren coyote]

yeah thats what i just did, but it made me drop like 6 or 7% haste

now at 16%

which seems low

[hollow river]

whatever sim says is whats most optimal

[ashen scroll]

can you link your sim? 6/7% sounds crazy low

[hollow river]

he said he's now at 16%

[ashen scroll]

oh, i read that as 6/7%

16% seems normal yeah

[hollow river]

if you have higher ilvl gear with "suboptimal stats" the stats won't really matter

higher ilvl=higher agility=higher damage

[barren coyote]

got 21% now that i optimized a little bit

with 277 ilvl

[oak sky]

20% give or take 5 will probably be fine

[hollow river]

not always, but ye

[oak sky]

but like

[barren coyote]

how much yall sim for?

[oak sky]

even if the sim tells you to go 2%

then 2% is better than any other amount of haste

for your profile

[oak sky]

15.6 i have some really garbage pieces though

[barren coyote]

same here, 15.6

[hollow river]

yeah i'm somewhere around 15.5-15.7

[oak sky]

at 277

[ashen scroll]

im at 15.6k for sin and sub

[spice spire]

[barren coyote]

are you also 277?

[spice spire]

Bad weapons and trinket?

[oak sky]

my sin and sub are tied as well

[ashen scroll]

my sub sim was like 16k for a while then it dropped for some reason

[hollow river]

i'm like 278

sub still wins by a lot for me

[spice spire]

I’m at 15 273, bad trinkets

[oak sky]

i have a bunch of crit vers pieces that i'm also running on my sin build

[barren coyote]

same

[ashen scroll]

same

[oak sky]

dont have many alternatives but they'll come

[ashen scroll]

i geared for sub primarily

[oak sky]

i geared for sin only

[ashen scroll]

oof

[oak sky]

and yet

[ebon notch]

I sim at 16.2 or so

And I'm at 20% haste

[oak sky]

ur on jailer

[ebon notch]

I recently dropped 5% for rygelon ring

[ashen scroll]

im running iqd elegy, i cant wait to get rid of these trinkets

[ebon notch]

So

[barren coyote]

im running cache shadowgrasp atm

[oak sky]

u have juicer gear bud

i have phial/278 sigil

[ebon notch]

I haven't gotten a proper upgrade in like 4 weeks

[ashen scroll]

that's bis gear lmao

[oak sky]

i dont have 278 phial though

272 still

[ebon notch]

Sure lords cloak is nice but mythic sigil is better

[ashen scroll]

i mean, 272 is almost as good

[ebon notch]

Ignore agreon he's doing fine

[hollow river]

phial isn't even bis is it?

[oak sky]

it is

[ashen scroll]

for sin

[hollow river]

🤮

[ebon notch]

Phial is bis because the sim doesn't like double on use

[barren coyote]

sim said cache > phial for me

[oak sky]

the game doesnt like double on use

[ashen scroll]

sub does double on use because its cds dont matter at all

[ebon notch]

But I'm sure theres one or two on use combos that outsim

[ashen scroll]

and u just press shit

[oak sky]

you have a very high chance of double on use losing casts because of the delay

[ebon notch]

Depends on if it's sigil/cache or smth

[oak sky]

and you cant go double stat sticks

[ebon notch]

You won't lose casts because they don't overlap

[barren coyote]

yeah its only the initial 20 sec ye

[oak sky]

272 phial might get beaten by some on use trinkets but i dont think 278 does

[ashen scroll]

elegy soleahs would be pog af if we could use it

[oak sky]

ew

[ebon notch]

Yeah no

[ashen scroll]

i would love it if on use wasn't out bis

[ebon notch]

That's spoken like someone who hasn't used sigil yet

[ashen scroll]

my mage uses sigil

fuck a 5 min cd

[oak sky]

sigil makes your opener peak at like 60k

[ebon notch]

Hitting 37k envenoms in opener

[oak sky]

lmao

[ebon notch]

The dopamine is like nothing else

[barren coyote]

i wish

[ebon notch]

@oak sky first raid with our new raider tomorrow 👀

No leaks

[barren coyote]

phial 278 actually sims lower than cache+shadowgrasp

wait lemme re-do it

no yea it actually sims lower

[ebon notch]

That shouldn't be the case

Are you doing top gear or gear compare

[barren coyote]

compare

as i havent got a 278 phial

[ebon notch]

What you can do is add "ilevel=278" after your existing phial In the simc string in top gear

And it will change the ilevel

This works for any item

Make sure to add a comma before ilevel tho

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[ebon notch]

Wtf I've never seen this guide before

[barren coyote]

+1 dps

after i used top gear

[ebon notch]

Nice

Basically equal

[barren coyote]

yeah more or less

if you were to play cache? would u go for the haste buff or axe?

[balmy condor]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[balmy condor]

[barren coyote]

ah

ty

[ebon notch]

[novel gazelle]

This…. Is a game changer. Thank you

[novel gazelle]

(My answer for raid usage of this trinket)
If it’s a aoe pull I use bleed.
If it’s a single target boss fight with little to know mechanics where I have to stop stabbing, haste buff.
Single target boss where I DO have to do mechanics.. bleed
Any other scenario… bleed

[balmy condor]

Why do you choose haste if you have to stop stabbing?

[novel gazelle]

I misspoke it seems. If I get to stand there and just funnel I take haste

[balmy condor]

But that’s just worse

[novel gazelle]

I meant to say “don’t have to stop stabbing”

Oh. Why is that?

[balmy condor]

Because it does less damage

[novel gazelle]

I suppose. I guess my thought was more haste equals more stabs. More stabs equal more deeps

But I suppose with the 4pc it’s better to just do all the bleeds

I guess I haven’t paid attention to specifics on my dps when I use one over the other

[vast loom]

my cache WA only glows on axe so i take axe 🙂 always

[novel gazelle]

Oooh nice

[balmy condor]

Cache doesn’t interact with tier bonuses

It’s a trinket

They’re whitelisted from everything

[novel gazelle]

Oh right

[vast loom]

axe just stronk (it also gets hasted which is pog with flag)

[balmy condor]

Yeah

It’s just axe damage > the damage you get from sword

[novel gazelle]

Word. I’ll make sure to only axe then

So there’s really no reason to ever take sword in raid, or maybe ever?

[balmy condor]

There’s no reason to take anything other than axe when you’re playing Assassination

[novel gazelle]

That makes it easier. Sub wants the sword more often than not, I would assume

[balmy condor]

No

[novel gazelle]

Err no they’re crit verse

[balmy condor]

Sword is even worse on sub

Sub uses wand on kyrian in single target and axe for anything venth or aoe

[novel gazelle]

I know we are in the Sin discussion, so I can move my question about kryian vs venthyr on Sub, or if you don’t mind I can just ask here

[balmy condor]

Yeah go for it

[novel gazelle]

So I’ve played assassination since when Combat went away. But I haven’t been as… sweaty about getting good at it until recent, so I appreciate all of this info .
Now to sub… I’m new new at it pretty much

I tried Sub venthy in raid this week and did well. I’m sure I did the rotation incorrectly, but the dps was slightly higher than my sin

But, when I tried Kyrian it was much lower

Are we supposed to be using finishers with 2 or 3 cp if they’re charged cp? Or still try to only do 5-6 cp finishers?

[vast loom]

if they are charged CP you should use them

no reason to build to 5/6 unless its for Slice

[novel gazelle]

Ok I was essentially skipping the 2-3 charged cp and using them on like, refreshing SnD or a kidney shot or something

I guess I need to watch/read guides on sub then. Because I was doing it allllll wrong then.

But back on assassination and cache

Err just rogue and cache

What does outlaw want to use

[vast loom]

im like 90% that the charged cp doesnt work on slice

[novel gazelle]

Yea I don’t remember seeing damage during that attempt

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s damaging finishers only

[vast loom]

charged CP just act like they are 7cp

[balmy condor]

Pretty sure outlaw is axe, but let’s see

Oh

He’s already ahead of me

Yeah it’s axe

[vast loom]

[novel gazelle]

🙂

Right on. I appreciate the info from both of you

Back to the grind of getting a Phial.

So I can stop using this Tickling Sack of Terror. Even though the name is amazing.

[rustic night]

How bad is night fae for assassination right now?

[zinc frost]

Not bad just not as good as venthyr

[versed mica]

I've heard sword is close with axe if you use sword during lust

Assuming this aint true

[balmy condor]

that's a lot of if's to just say "axe is better"

[upbeat needle]

can use sword when you have stoneboys in HoA

gargons be smackin shit with sword

[balmy condor]

[timid cloud]

Whispyr right now.

[balmy condor]

That’s me every day

[lean coral]

anyone have that plater mod that changes the color of nameplates when they have your serrated spike on em

[late gulch]

am thinking of gearing up my assasin. just wondering how are they in keys and raids :) ?

[lean coral]

theyre picking up in raid

you need that legion tw ring tho to catch up to sub i think tho

[late gulch]

does the ring do that much for them ?

[lean coral]

im 276 equipped

and its over 200 dps for me

[late gulch]

ah nice

[lean coral]

thats my gear for reference

my sin set

[late gulch]

you look fab 😍

[lean coral]

ty

[late gulch]

assasin just looks alot easier to play. sub felt harder

[lean coral]

takes getting used to

[late gulch]

are assasin behind sub in keys by alot?

maby i should just try to learn sub.

[lean coral]

uh idk i dont do many keys as sin

just when bored

[late gulch]

dident notice intill now. but thats alot of crit xD

[lean coral]

yeah im sub mainspec so most of my gear is crit

[late gulch]

crit aint good for ass?

[lean coral]

it is

swapped a ring so im more balanced now

[gusty mirage]

you don't

assassination outsims sub without that ring

[lean coral]

Well not for me yet sadly

[keen vessel]

So how good is sin now? Should i learn sub even tho i enjoy sin playstyle more

[blazing pumice]

for what content

m+ is substantially easier/better as sub

raid there are fights that are better as sub, but it depends on where you are at cuz you can play sin for everything

[zinc frost]

If you enjoy sin/assa play style more, stick to it. You’ll perform so much better on something you actually enjoy

[keen vessel]

Thats what i figured but i do wanna be viable so thats why i asked if sin was like way worse than id try and learn sub

[blazing pumice]

no

without sylv dagger sin is better for most fights

[keen vessel]

Ooh nice

[azure bronze]

The IQD stat proc chance % for raidbots simming, what is the ideal % to sim with? 60-70%?

[storm onyx]

There is a wa that tracks what it will proc; you can eye it and get what you want

[azure bronze]

Yeah I know but later on in mythic fights it almost always defaults to mana/healing/execute

[craggy oak]

Depends on fight length, if you get 2 uses of it, sim 100% then 50% see the difference

Can force it to not execute with macro

[storm onyx]

You can clear target and activate it to bypass the execute afaik

[craggy oak]

Sigil is the play if you have it

[subtle tundra]

@ebon notch im doing assa key rn

[storm onyx]

Streaming by chance?

[timid cloud]

[ebon notch]

Impeccable timing

You playing venth?

[timid cloud]

It’s in #rogue-streamers

[subtle tundra]

yea

soa is venth angle

[ebon notch]

Nice I get off toilet and tune in

[storm onyx]

neat, thanks

[timid cloud]

NL on that first boss tho

[subtle tundra]

angel on 28 bro

[craggy oak]

Sounds spicy

[timid cloud]

True. Send that boy to hell.

Also varas reported, no bracer enchantment.

[inner trail]

Did you guys have success playing sin rogue in m+? raider.io doesnt really look too promising for sin rogue

[bleak sky]

Yeah sure

Sin is playable

Varas will choose to play sin on some keys, even ramfam sometimes

[inner trail]

On what keys? Probably those with low target count, no?

[spark cloud]

i was just coming here to ask if there's any public figures or guides or anything out there i can watch/read that detail assa rogue in m+ because i feel like im operating at my best efforts and just getting so stepped on in dmg compared to everyone else lol.

preferably not fuckin infexious gaming on youtube. he irritates me

[ebon notch]

No evidence of ram yet

@limber lion if your bleeds drop off during vendetta you don't lose the snapshot haste right

Because it's on the vendetta buff itself

[bleak sky]

Idk varas seems to enjoy sin in halls so idk if target count matters too too much

[bleak sky]

Plaguefall / halls pretty sure

[limber lion]

What

[timid cloud]

[limber lion]

Snapshotting is not a thing that carries on from bleed to bleed. Reapplication during Vendetta will always look at your haste value at application to determine the tick rate.

The bleed dropping during Vendetta does nothing and means nothing in terms of snapshotting/haste

Only thing that matters is the haste value at the time of application, be it applying a new bleed or reapplying.

[rotund oak]

Reapplying bleeds,Ph.d edition

#Shadowlands

[narrow vigil]

I read the FAQ but I had a question about stat priority if anyone can maybe answer. I thought haste and mastery were priority stats, but in channel is says crit mastery. I thought haste was the most important stat because it makes your bleeds/poisons tick faster.

Can anyone provide some insight?

[normal mist]

I believe its haste crit mastery and then vers but just sim your character

My sims tell me to sometimes go for more crit, other times more haste..

Rn they tell me to go for enchants+gems mastery

[limber lion]

We don't really care about stats at all

Just use whatever item is the highest ilvl. Avoidin versatility when playing Sigil is a good bet, but the choice between the 3 others does not matter.

[narrow vigil]

So if I play nightfae instead of venthyr, things like mastery would be more important than crit'

?

i just more or less want to know which enchants/gems to put on my rings and shit

@limber lion

[ebon notch]

I wasn't super awake but you got what I meant

Tyty

[violet jackal]

You can top gear sim enchants

[narrow vigil]

@violet jackal yeah Im still new to simming so not really sure how to do that tbh

[violet jackal]

One sec let me put my contacts on and I’ll show you

[limber lion]

No, the weighting doesn't change. Any of those 3 is fine

Just use crit enchants and haste gems for example

Doesn't really matter

[narrow vigil]

oh so i shouldnt be stacking any one in particular?

[limber lion]

No

[narrow vigil]

just as long as my gear as no vers

[limber lion]

Like I've said 3 times now

[narrow vigil]

okay chill

[limber lion]

Any of the 3 is fine

Haste, crit or mastery

Legit

Does

Not

Matter

[narrow vigil]

ok

ty

[alpine elm]

soft crit cap is at 1055 or?

[hollow escarp]

no

[echo geyser]

[timid cloud]

No stat caps anymore.

[limber lion]

Bruh

I'm gonna commit seppuku on the spot

[shadow bluff]

What's the soft cap for mastery

I'm 265

[timid cloud]

[craggy oak]

This got me

[raven knoll]

A frost DK that has 30 ilvl less than me just did more DPS overall in M+ than me 🥲 I'm done.

[gusty mirage]

Great game amirite

[raven knoll]

[violet jackal]

link the log

[subtle tundra]

good news

i have wft

for jailer

great news

[violet jackal]

nice\

[vestal wren]

nicu

[glass tulip]

Varas' jailer is blessed

[pseudo hamlet]

I had the same situation and it was about ~8ilvl less Survival Hunter... and he did like 1,5k DPS more than me, even though I really tried.

[raven knoll]

I don't do m+ logs

[limber lion]

I must be playing with terrible pugs

I'm not getting these super giga chad survi/destro pumpers

[slow marsh]

It's more dependant on tanks and yeah pug tanks generally don't do the giga pulls so that makes sense

[ebon notch]

get more score :^)

[limber lion]

why?

[bleak sky]

to play with better people I guess

[limber lion]

but why would I want to play

[bleak sky]

great question

[ebon notch]

was kidding

:<

it was very funny

[slow marsh]

This is the question I've been asking myself for like a solid month now lmao

[limber lion]

ngl I really enjoy the raid, but everything else outside of raiding is just pain

[slow marsh]

Yeah

I think I'm just chilling until .5 and hopefully all the craziness they put in will spark something for me again

I'll play lords whenever we get there and then I think I'm done for the tier

[limber lion]

Yeah I can't wait for 9.2.5 honestly, because of just how much content there is to do especially in terms of gearing the character

Always enjoy farming content to pump my character up

[viscid spear]

None of this rhymed; you're a terrible poet

[ebon notch]

is it a haiku

[viscid spear]

1. Haikus are 3 sentences
2. They follow a syllable format of 5-7-5
   So no

[ebon notch]

@subtle tundra try again

[glass tulip]

No, not sentences
They can follow the pattern
while still connected

[viscid spear]

I meant 3 lines

[solid venture]

anduin is so fun xd
if only my raid was pog
get me out

[glass tulip]

It's okay buddy
I used your mistake to teach
Others about it

[viscid spear]

-/-/-
Ravenholdt is fun
We're talking haikus right now
Nothing else to do

[glass tulip]

Whispyr is elsewhere
No mods means we can go wild
Oxi said we could

If only I had
Any clue how to be good
So I could match Cev

[viscid spear]

But when one returns
They might scroll up and see this
They'll wish they were there

[glass tulip]

Haste snapshots make me
Want to commit war crimes in
Sweden and Finland

[ebon notch]

[viscid spear]

You can also use
Whatever words you want to
Zip goop dada pee poo hee

[limber lion]

Halt.

[glass tulip]

[ebon notch]

cev wont ban anyone hes too nice

his inner brian wont let him

[glass tulip]

Abbreviations
Like fotmrogue
Makes sense when spoken

[bleak sky]

fotumrogue

[ebon notch]

[glass tulip]

Would I get name changed if I had a character name futarogue

[viscid spear]

It's longer to say
The abbreviation for
World Wide Web oddly

[ebon notch]

in the words of @kind talon "fuddumrogue"

[spice spire]

FODNRogue

[subtle tundra]

I LIKE THE SOOPA
WHEN HE THROW THE PROTOFLESH
MY DICK GO OOGA

[serene shell]

wand or axe on ST from cache?

[subtle tundra]

🤓

[spice spire]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[brazen zodiac]

wow wow wubzy

[hybrid vale]

Is you joking

What content

I gotta check wowhead

[limber lion]

[hybrid vale]

Don’t see nothing specifically

😐

[limber lion]

Fated raids

lol...

8 new dungeons

"new"

[hybrid vale]

Oh I read this but it looked like u can buy weapons and trinkets with like tokens from the raid difficulty your doing so like heroic jailer gavel if I’m a heroic raider already

That’s what I got from it

I actually don’t know how you get the tokens

[limber lion]

by doing fated raids

and it's all gear from 3 different raids

[hybrid vale]

Wtf is that tho

A fated raid

[limber lion]

go read about it

basically raid+

[hybrid vale]

Ya I’m reading

But if mythic gear can be upgraded to higher ilvl then your upgraded heroic gear is still worse than upgraded mythic gear no!

[glass tulip]

Seems like most 278 crit/haste/vers pieces when catalyzed into Soulblade pieces are basically sidegrades

[hybrid vale]

?*

Delta is the same

[glass tulip]

considering if I want to spend flux to make the set

[hybrid vale]

I think I get the idea, yes more content

[glass tulip]

deterministic loot from doing whichever raid is in the "fated" rotation

[hybrid vale]

But this isn’t going to help you play your Alts in relevant content faster is it

[glass tulip]

no its more like get super BiS items at max level on your main

be the most powerful you can at end of xpac

[hybrid vale]

Yeah yeah, I misread his comment. Or read what I wanted to read I thought he said pumping characters up, it’s singular

Damn

My Alts still pleb

[glass tulip]

well you could also farm them on alts but I don't think that is the main point of them

its to give mains more reason to play

imo

[hybrid vale]

But cev can play his bolstered up assassination rogue 🤤🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

That means the power difference between say lfr and steroids mythic is going to be such a gap

In ilvl

[hybrid vale]

Coming back into the patch from a year + break it took me 1.5 months to get one character to 250 ilvl, just barely heroic raiding level. I think the change is cool for those who have been playing all along but it’d be nice if they released something like the winter grasp raid thingy for alt catch up

It’s kind of absurd I can’t play any of my dudes without a grind and a half

[bleak sky]

month and a half to get to 250 sounds.....long

[hollow river]

now let's just hope assa is top dog like it was at the end of CN and most of SoD

[hybrid vale]

Playing everyday too for at least 2 hrs!

Or more

[bleak sky]

I mean

do you not have gold

[hollow river]

can't wait to do huntsman again

[bleak sky]

not to buy bbboes

[hybrid vale]

Oh. No I didn’t buy any Carries didn’t have gold

Could have bought tokens but that always feels dirty

[violet jackal]

can't wait for sludgefist

[hollow river]

hard agree

🙂

[glass tulip]

I had a brand new level 60 hit 256 ilvl in 3 days between catalyst, pvp, and ZM farming

[hybrid vale]

If I bought gold or bought tokens, yeah I could get a guy geared fast cause I’d buy a 15 m+ every week. Id have a 291 leggo. If I bought a ton id probs buy whatever trinkets are bis from mythic

[glass tulip]

I will mention I did not transfer any gold

farmed all natural on alliance

[hybrid vale]

I did that in bfa but it was like 500 dollars in tokens

[subtle tundra]

what the fuck

so people really do that

mate

ok not gonna say anything cause thats against tos

[hybrid vale]

Ya I wanted to PvP

[hollow river]

i mean someone just now coming back to the game may not be versed enough in the content to gear that quickly @glass tulip

[glass tulip]

fair point, I did have shortcuts for campaigns and renown gearing

[hollow river]

no it isn't o.O

[pale plank]

??? Lmao idk what’s happening but it’s possible to get 250 in a couple of days, with $0

[glass tulip]

its called a ripcord

[subtle tundra]

yea you can easily get 250

[hybrid vale]

Zm gives you like 235 ilvl. But I had to do multiple campaigns cause I wasn’t sure what char I was gonna raid with

Etc etc

[subtle tundra]

but you gotta play the game

[hollow river]

buying tokens to buy carries is the reason boosting isn't ToS because it makes blizzard hella bank

[hybrid vale]

Nah I’m not gonna buy gold this time, it’s more of a principal. I just was saying to @bleak sky that if I had endless gold it would have taken 3 weeks to be close to mythic ready

But the normal way, it’s a grind fest

[subtle tundra]

its grindy, but it shouldnt take 1.5 months for 250 xd

[hybrid vale]

Wdym the catalyst you need to have stuff from the raid to put in there first

[limber lion]

or m+

or pvp

[hybrid vale]

True

But it’s still gonna be low ilvl

[limber lion]

you can upgrade m+ items to 272

[hybrid vale]

I bet that would take days of something

[limber lion]

a few days yeah

[hybrid vale]

It’s an mmo I know, but end of an expansion should be easier to play Alts

[glass tulip]

yeah and?

4 piece is better than nothing

[bleak sky]

I mean

you're taking giga long to get to 250 because you're likely doing something wrong

you don't need to buy gold to get 291 leggos

or crafted gear

[hybrid vale]

Other than unity

[limber lion]

I have multiple characters at 260+ and I don't even play them

[hybrid vale]

Is 250 that bad

Dang

I’ve played 2 characters kinda equally tbf

Both are at same pt of progression

[subtle tundra]

it kinda is

its below normal ilvl

[limber lion]

yeah definitely is

[hybrid vale]

The enlightened rep for unity took awhile

[limber lion]

like

just do your weekly raid

like 4 m+ dungeons a week

and you're set

don't have to do anything else

[hollow river]

yeah pvp isn't the best route for pve gearing

it helps if it's in addition to the other 2, but yeah

[hybrid vale]

Ya true true, I mean I’m not saying I did it optimally. Clearly i didn’t

[bleak sky]

that took a while for everybody though

it's how it is

time gated

[hollow river]

don't we have to do the quests for unity on alts

or the free 265

[bleak sky]

nah

free 265 sure

but just craft 291

[hollow river]

word

[hybrid vale]

But that’s gonna be exp of returning player coming in late. I’ve played wow 10 years of you count the breaks in between and learning what was worth doing and what wasn’t was part of the 1.5 month process

[bleak sky]

ok and

[hybrid vale]

Indeed

Nothing

It is what it is

But adding the new affix or whatever makes for a bigger barrier to entry but maybe not who knows

[hollow river]

well there's still going to be Normal and Heroic

and m+

[shadow bluff]

Sin in m+