assassination

[oak sky]

Oh

Right

[hybrid vale]

Oh ok that’s what he meant

[ebon notch]

oh i didnt know that

[hybrid vale]

All I know is dat earlier I was looking at what ppl ram for m jailer and there’s tons of 3+ boomkins with that trinket venth and incarn

So there must be some powerful interaction

[oak sky]

Lets be honest who uses iqd anyway

[bleak sky]

trash classes

aka DK and Druid

[oak sky]

Any 3 min stat stick would be broken on venthyr druid

[hybrid vale]

Ya I never cared for moonkins

From the looks to the spells

Nagurra plays boomkin tho

[ebon notch]

im kinda vibing with it on ryg

i really hate cache

feels like it doesnt do shit

[oak sky]

Sigil is nice and passive

[ebon notch]

fuck you

no cos ring no sigil i should just play sub

[bleak sky]

yes?

[ebon notch]

(dont tell my raid leader i said that)

[bleak sky]

(no)

[ebon notch]

(shit)

[subtle tundra]

play cache

ez

also no cos ring

slacker

get real

wtf

[ebon notch]

[hybrid vale]

Nice and passive isn’t very appealing

I want an aggressive trinket

[tough bridge]

A noob question... why in the faq nadja is linked as the best soulbind and not theotar ? Isn't Theotar best ?

[limber lion]

Because Theotar is so inconsistent

Not only do you need to get haste tea, which is a 25% chance with a 1 hour cooldown

You also need to get really high uptime on Soothing Shade

The ability in itself is like 600 dps with 100% uptime, and you will never ever have 100% uptime on it ever.

[tough bridge]

hmm, yeah thats real

[subtle tundra]

real?

fr fr

real

[bleak sun]

Can we trick the tea ? I mean deleting it from bag then talk to theotar so he can give another with CD up ?

[tough bridge]

i don't think so

[kind steppe]

yoyo is the 2p 2x assa rogue fixed ?

[bleak sky]

yes

[kind steppe]

great

ty

[ebon notch]

[trim cairn]

Bro

Why is it easier to climb from 3k to 3.2k rio than 2.8k to 3k lol

[limber lion]

Nope, you can do nothing to skip the cd unfortunately.

[subtle tundra]

quality of players goes up

[ebon notch]

you used to be able to go into torg or arena

and reset it like that

but ykno, fun detected

[limber lion]

Yep, doesn't work anymore

[indigo mulch]

I wish it could give mastery D;

Atleast mastery and haste is decent.

[trim cairn]

I mean it gives a flat %

Vers is better than mastery in such a case

[indigo mulch]

I mean obv it would have to give a bit more than that :c

Ah well

[ebon notch]

they fucked up with mastery

everyone has different scalings

so they cant use percentages

[winter vapor]

does 3 potency ever win out for Nadja? Or is it a case of 'when it sims'?

[oak sky]

Any time you arent full st

[limber lion]

3 potencies never wins in sims

because we use 5 min patchwork sims as baseline

but in reality Theotar lacks a lot of value when you introduce movement and DD loses value with more targets

[fleet anchor]

I'm gonna add some Theotar uptime option I think soon

[limber lion]

Good stuff. We can already sim Field of Blossoms with shadowlands.field_of_blossoms_duration_multiplier but nothing for umbrella which is a bit odd

other than the overwrite

gets a bit tricky for the casual non-simmer :P

[fleet anchor]

Yeah will probably make it work exactly the same

Surprised nobody had added it yet, but shouldn't be too difficult

I guess the spoiled casters don't care 😄

[winter vapor]

ty all

[fleet anchor]

Ok done. https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/b871c379fb474a847fdd7eec8212602acc9daeaa

[odd heath]

Nice

[limber lion]

[craggy oak]

The top nerds in here doing the most

[noble umbra]

@limber lion Nadjia would most likely be optimal on a fight like halondrus?

[limber lion]

Yes, with Dauntless Duelist

[noble umbra]

alright thanks

[tawny barn]

which weap is the bis for the cache of aquirated treasures btw?

[limber lion]

Axe

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[tawny barn]

just got the trinket 🙂

even for single target

thanks my loves

[echo geyser]

theres more nerfs?

[fleet anchor]

None of the raid changes today on reset are for Mythic iirc other than like the Xymox adds?

Just various Normal and Heroic nerfs

[echo geyser]

i see

[cloud yew]

help i do no damage

[echo geyser]

have u tried reading one of the guides?

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[echo geyser]

also #assassination-faq @cloud yew

[gusty mirage]

do you have any logs?

[subtle tundra]

i feel the same

[hybrid vale]

gl on ppl going for the jailer pre nref

may the force be wit u

[subtle tundra]

wat nerf

[hybrid vale]

idk like all the changes tmrw

[subtle tundra]

theres no nerf

[hybrid vale]

or they already happen?

what was the notes i saw

about him getting nerfed

maybe a gaff

[limber lion]

That happened last reset

[hybrid vale]

o

gl with him in general all ppl going for him before the hof closes

[subtle tundra]

🧟

jailer actually hard to do well on

dps-wise

[hybrid vale]

theres only 1 assa parse man,,

u are sub?

[subtle tundra]

nah

im assa

fuck kyrian sub

certified by me

[hybrid vale]

necrolord sub is where its at

or night fae sub

sims are off the charts

maybe better than outlaw with bis covenant tho

[vast loom]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[hybrid vale]

i wonder what fuu likes to play the most or if he's an enjoyer of all 3 equally

rogue specs

[fleet anchor]

Fuu's like one of the biggest Sub die-hards in the world 😄

[hybrid vale]

he's theory crafting for them all

[gusty mirage]

bfa was a sad time for the man

[hybrid vale]

he might like them all

as his children

[gusty mirage]

well sin is mostly koji and whispyr

but ye

and more recently Cev

[hybrid vale]

outlaw is his demented child

[gusty mirage]

thats guys demented child

and solo

[hybrid vale]

i think that

you know way too much about this cord's history

i cant even speculate :madge:

i cant even speculate (why dont we have madge)

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

Vaughn

Forgotten german vegan

[hybrid vale]

that's an unusual looking bulba

[fleet anchor]

I think I'm one of the few people who actually plays all 3 specs without hating them 🤣

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[hybrid vale]

i like outlaw game play wise

i think i would like sub with a few tweaks

sub is very nice in theory

i cant wait for 10.0 i feel like all the specs will be great and i wont be able to choose what char i wanna play

except i can tell u right now i wont play a spellcaster not my thing

[cloud yew]

i have to reapply dots so often with crimson tempest that my snd falls off

am i doing it wrong

[limber lion]

Yes

Your main priority is maintaining Slice

and even then you're probably spamming CT a bit too much

Because your slice should honestly stay up pretty naturally without any extra stuff

[hybrid vale]

u dont need to get a full 5 combo point slice u can start off with a 2 combo point slice and envenom will take care of the rest

that might help u

[echo geyser]

@subtle tundra new sin tech paid off

[indigo mulch]

[ebon notch]

were you streaming?

[echo geyser]

[fleet anchor]

Nice

All the sudden everyone is gonna want Assassination in keys 😄

[oak sky]

Sin bis now

[marble hemlock]

finally youre coming around

to the good spec

[brazen zodiac]

teach us oh great ramslam

[echo geyser]

i do need a lot more practice

gonna have to pug weekly keys on this spec

[marble hemlock]

you playing weird mfd stuff? :x

[echo geyser]

i was told u cant play venthyr without that

but what do i know

i just listen to sin channel

[oak sky]

I mean like

I always played venth vigor last season

This season a little different with all the snapshotting and whatever

Your st suffers without mfd for sure

[marble hemlock]

well yeah, itd basically be less flag stacks on st

not sure how much that matters tho

[gusty mirage]

your ST suffered without mfd last tier too

lol

[echo geyser]

nothing even changed or

[marble hemlock]

its just snapshotting

[oak sky]

Yeah but now opener feels gigadog without mfd

[echo geyser]

or is extra flag stack bigger now?

[gusty mirage]

extra flag bigger now cuz 4pc snapshots haste

[marble hemlock]

hmye

but overall

vigor is still more comfortable on aoe

but you can play aoe without vigor

its just pain

[gusty mirage]

playing rogue in aoe is pain regardless of talents

[oak sky]

More energy does feel pretty solid

Extra 50 can be good

[marble hemlock]

yeah

the max energy is just too good

makes things very chill

[limber lion]

MFD is super needed in single target because it helps with getting the stacks, which means less cd on Flag, which means cds line up better, which means potentially more cd uses overall

Also MFD doesn't even feel that bad in packs honestly

Slap down the 3 garrotes, rupture a boy, MFD CT

and you're rolling

[marble hemlock]

would be nice

if our improved poisons rank2

would actually work

with subterfuge

:))))))))))

[limber lion]

Big true

[hybrid vale]

did all of u farm the gold for 291 legendaries or buy tokens..

[marble hemlock]

cause non vigor opener would be totally fine

[hybrid vale]

shits expensive

[marble hemlock]

if all 3 garrotes would auto-proc poison

[vast loom]

291s dont cost that much on a lot of servers

[limber lion]

little bit of both

[marble hemlock]

idk

having gold is the easiest thing in wow

once you have some

[limber lion]

But my guild gave us 2 freebies

[marble hemlock]

:x

[limber lion]

I'm sitting at a good 150k currently myself

across all of my characters :--)

[marble hemlock]

psure ram still owes me gold

[hybrid vale]

oh i was gonna ask if that's acceptable to ask

[marble hemlock]

or speed

[hybrid vale]

for a free 291

[marble hemlock]

i dont remember

[limber lion]

would have done a lot more boosts if I had known

smh

[echo geyser]

5 stack alacrity is rly big right?

[vast loom]

Depends in your guild

[hybrid vale]

we'll see if they do it

[marble hemlock]

yeah

losing alacrity is feelsbadman

[limber lion]

Yeh

Just end packs with 5CP and then Slice before the next pack

[echo geyser]

ok so ill have to do my outlaw stuff on this spec

[limber lion]

maintains Alacrity and Slice at the same time

double whammy

[echo geyser]

i mean its easy with mfd

~40sec out of combat fine

[limber lion]

Ya

[vast loom]

Also spiteful is giga MFD usage between pulls

[echo geyser]

never pressing vanish fine with subterfuge right? not huge loss i mean

can use for utility etc

?

[limber lion]

Yes

[echo geyser]

open gates in mist

[limber lion]

Vanish is very much whatever

[oak sky]

The silence garrotes with iron wire or idk maybe you play prey on the weak are supwr nice utility

Its like 3 free interrupts

[kindred heron]

damn our second row of talents really sucks huh

only useful every 2 min if not getting restealths between packs

[marble hemlock]

yeah i literally hold vanish

for skips or silences

[vast loom]

Just give sin shadow dance :)

[marble hemlock]

or if tank needs some mitigation

you can just vanish for the damage reduction as well

theres some packs like plaguefall or theater

where the dmg reduction helps a lot

archers in pf, praetor in spires, arbalest in theater etc.

[echo geyser]

@marble hemlock best part about sin is u can swap poison faster

[marble hemlock]

lots of good things about it

what stats you playing?

cuz i always felt one of the biggest issues with assa is that its a shit spec for versa stacking

[echo geyser]

yeah u aint stacking vers

[marble hemlock]

yeah

that seems

rough

[echo geyser]

my arch nemesis rn is probably dealer

and no, i dont want to go elusiveness

not playing sin in dos

[marble hemlock]

hahahaha

yeah i remember

tbf

elusiveness is good on every boss in DoS

just like its good on every boss in plaguefall :x

well, not every boss

[echo geyser]

elusiveness is good in every key

[marble hemlock]

well as assa id opt for leeching over elusiveness in a bunch of them

but yeah, in an ideal world you drop cheat cause its technically a useless talent 😛

i did for a while in bfa and it was fine

[echo geyser]

Hacha would say, just get 10% leech on gear

[marble hemlock]

hey

[echo geyser]

[marble hemlock]

you dont get to lecture anyone

on tertiaries okay

mr "oh yeah i have 16% avoidance in my SoD gear"

[echo geyser]

gonna reroll class anyways i farmed all this for nothing

[marble hemlock]

[craggy oak]

@echo geyser Did you stream this sin key?

[kindred heron]

rio scanned his talents & spec as sub

[onyx rain]

!snapshot

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Flagellation, Euphoria), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[onyx rain]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice spire]

[fleet anchor]

Was hard enough to get them to make it actually work to begin with. 😛

[marble hemlock]

true

[echo geyser]

@marble hemlock any sin key streams?

maybe not this week with spiteful

[marble hemlock]

i dont really play keys anymore

[echo geyser]

who do i watch for sin then

[limber lion]

look in the mirror

:-)

[strange python]

!magetower

[echo geyser]

[bleak sky]

you know who

[strange python]

Is there no guid for magetower and the gear ? Which I need to buy ?

[limber lion]

Whispyr has a written magetower guide on Wowhead, you can check that out.

[bleak sky]

you don't need to buy anything (:

[limber lion]

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/assassination-rogue-mage-tower-dps-challenge-sigryn

@strange python

[strange python]

Aywa thank you Habibi

[limber lion]

np wallah

[fleet anchor]

Be the streamer you want in the world

@echo geyser 😄

[echo geyser]

oh how the turns have tabled

sin main suddenly

time to kill jailer as sin

[spice spire]

Amen

[fleet anchor]

Just do it 😄

[spice spire]

Ramfam well known assassination lad

[echo geyser]

idk i do have kinda bussin gear as sin ngl

if i had 1 more dagger

[spice spire]

Oh shit

[echo geyser]

might be 278 if i get rid of that sylv offhand

[spice spire]

I’m putting all my fake money in ramfam stocks

[spice spire]

You got this papi

[oak sky]

278 phial abuser

[bleak sky]

285 chest and cloak

[limber lion]

ram about to overtake my sin sim and he barely plays it

[oak sky]

Ram about to have the highest dslice sim for a sin rogue on the server

[limber lion]

[echo geyser]

my sub doesnt even use those 2 285s lmao

idk if i wanna play phial in keys tho

[spice spire]

Ramfam is illegal

Ngl

Unethical gear even

[limber lion]

wait hold up

I didn't even notice you had 2 285's

[echo geyser]

[limber lion]

need?????

[fleet anchor]

Hax

[echo geyser]

why doesnt jailer neck have more stats

[oak sky]

Sub uses one right

[echo geyser]

compared to other neck

[oak sky]

Because blizz dumb

[echo geyser]

well i guess 285 vs 278

but still

[oak sky]

Jailer neck couldve been like 1.5x stats

[bleak sky]

avoidance goblin

smh my head

[strange python]

How much do you sim ? Ramfam

[echo geyser]

bout two fiddy

[bleak sky]

[oak sky]

Tree fiddy

[echo geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6v3FHq5byMxFV81rDGvwvY @strange python

[oak sky]

Im so down bad

Holy

[echo geyser]

i dont even play this in raid but im thinking about it

(the spec)

[oak sky]

Every day i think about her (sin)

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

Wish i could think about another her

[strange python]

😍

[echo geyser]

is sin the same as sub btw with haste that u actually need a lot to even notice the passive regen?

[limber lion]

I'm about to have another dry vault tomorrow

[echo geyser]

or is it more noticable because of the poison passive

venom thingy?

[limber lion]

hopefully the boys kill jailer next reset

I want more gear :(((

[limber lion]

Not really

it's generally a placebo

[oak sky]

You need a pretty big amount of haste difference to notice

[limber lion]

You won't notice the difference between having 5x Alacrity or not

You'll notice the effects of lust because of how big it is all of a sudden

and because of the sudden drop

but if you gear towards more haste, you'll never notice it

[oak sky]

You might be able to notice like a 10% difference or so

[bleak sky]

[oak sky]

I said might not will

[echo geyser]

i see

[vast loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2auaBEYdUigMyvQA6fbYed any reason why heroic to mythic vigilant ring is a 0% upgrade? i assume i have too much crit else where

[echo geyser]

u have a socketed hc one

[vast loom]

oh true

[echo geyser]

[vast loom]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-nose-joker-funny-dropped-gif-23619188

[spice spire]

[violet hemlock]

I spent way too long fucking about with lua code to make a nice empowered dot tracker

[echo geyser]

didnt someone in discord already make one

[violet hemlock]

probs

butI wanted one for my wa package

since I started playing sin

[vast loom]

what WA pack do you use?

[violet hemlock]

one I made

it was based off of Imfiredups but barely resembles it anymore

[vast loom]

i made it for the Atrocity UI so i can ssend you the code stuff i used

ping me after raid

[balmy condor]

@vast loom

[violet hemlock]

eh mine works now

[vast loom]

D:

[violet hemlock]

😄

[vast loom]

nice

[echo geyser]

is subterfuge garrote diff spell ID?

[vast loom]

nope

[violet hemlock]

ye

[vast loom]

wait

[echo geyser]

[vast loom]

i dont use a seperate one

monkaS

[violet hemlock]

well subterfuge is different than vendetta tho

[echo geyser]

u let ur empowered garrotes fully fall off always?

[balmy condor]

[echo geyser]

unless u have vanish to reapply empowered ones

[violet hemlock]

I was talking about vendetta empowered ones

[echo geyser]

maybe i need to get a tracker for that

oh

[violet hemlock]

but ye theres both

😄

[echo geyser]

vendetta empowered ones

[violet hemlock]

it already did subterfuge from bfa

I added vendetta tracking

[echo geyser]

so thats just the faster ticking ones yeah?

[violet hemlock]

ye

cause u dont wanna reapply over those either

[echo geyser]

so it can only be on 1 target right

[violet hemlock]

ye

[echo geyser]

u let those fully run out?

[violet hemlock]

ye

[echo geyser]

oh good to know

[violet hemlock]

cause they deal double dps

u think the snapshot tech is to just reaplly the global after venddetta is over 😄

[echo geyser]

i should read more about sin

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[hybrid vale]

random q but u cant use other spec leggos right

like a holy pally cant use a prot one

[balmy condor]

correct

well

you could

but usually they're disabled

[hybrid vale]

ah damn, i wanted to try something out

[balmy condor]

like for example celerity used to work on sin

but they locked it

[echo geyser]

i guess this also applies to vendetta then? @balmy condor

vendy 4p

[balmy condor]

yes

[hybrid vale]

thanks for that

saved me time farming out a ret memory

[balmy condor]

rotation page update is very cringe and not ready

but venthyr page is solid

[echo geyser]

if i play nadjia for keys

i have an aoe stop

[balmy condor]

rotation page update is probably like a 9.2.5 kinda vibe

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

theo is better for sure for keys tho

well ig the utility

[echo geyser]

but my aoe disorient

[balmy condor]

it's true, theo is much better on sub

[oak sky]

type shit

[echo geyser]

cev goes on about how umbrella is 600dps if 100% uptime

but u never get it

[oak sky]

yeah but in keys its easier to get it

you move around less during packs

• nadjia doesnt proc as consistently bc u drop combat

+mastery is better in aoe

[balmy condor]

• token

[oak sky]

• token

[echo geyser]

i have actually never checked token this season

[oak sky]

• bonus avoidance or free heals in umbrella

[balmy condor]

he doesn't need avoidance

[oak sky]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/UKCyNGbQhVnDQqfgytkHW

[echo geyser]

the 60 speed is nice

same ilvl as me

but 600 dps behind

[oak sky]

i have some very sub pieces

[limber lion]

Ram too cranked

[strange python]

can you cd on xymox

immediately as the fight starts

[echo geyser]

i was disappointed when i got 278 phial but turns out it was nice for outlaw and sin

[oak sky]

wish i had phial man

[limber lion]

Yes

[echo geyser]

i dont think its the move in keys tho

[strange python]

alrightt

ty

[echo geyser]

need to pug more to test tho

[kindred heron]

This aint theotar thats +200 dps right there mr

[oak sky]

we dont even run theotar

[echo geyser]

sandbagging sims

[oak sky]

so

[limber lion]

I doubt it makes much of a difference

[balmy condor]

but it's a choice

[oak sky]

i just did a random sim of the build ill play in raid idk

[balmy condor]

it has to matter

[echo geyser]

in dps probably not but theres some things

phial does

[limber lion]

meaningful choice

[echo geyser]

that i dont like

[limber lion]

[echo geyser]

[limber lion]

I agree

like apply the dot

and break cc

gg

[balmy condor]

did you know that premed/nighstalker/tornado venthyr sims highest dslice for me

[limber lion]

yes and it's disgusting

[echo geyser]

run it down

[balmy condor]

premed gives slice and slice gives more auto procs therefore premed is an energy talent

[echo geyser]

do u run theo no matter what tea u get in keys? @oak sky

[oak sky]

Hmmm

I usually do but i dont do many real keys

Agi is kind a no go

Vers crit and haste all are for sure fine tho

[echo geyser]

should i track nadjia thrill stacks? @limber lion

[limber lion]

It doesn't matter that much honestly, but yeah, I would.

[oak sky]

I may try to get into keys this season tho

Idk

[echo geyser]

i like tracking stuff for fun as long as its not too much clutter

the haste snapshot juicy?

[limber lion]

Like if you know you'll only get one more Vend off, but holding it for 10s will result in you taking advantage of the haste, then it's a good thing

It's not something that you actively play around, but it's good to take advantage of so long as you don't miss out on casts

[echo geyser]

yeah then u get crit after euphoria over

must be nice

[limber lion]

Yeh

So using Flag at 38 stacks of TS is pretty dank

[echo geyser]

this is starting to sound fun

[fleet anchor]

As I looked into with Whispyr earlier, it does seem like it makes sense as it triggers from 4pc procs

However it's even more putrid ST damage

Drops another 4% in ST lol

[oak sky]

Only sad part is doing no aoe ram

Negative aoe

[echo geyser]

another thing that is sad is the xymox trinket sin vs sub

not even close

[fleet anchor]

If you add in the AoE of an Assassination Rogue, a Sub funneler, and a Feral Druid you might out DPS a tank 😄

[hybrid vale]

i wish there was a way to glyph the effects of the humming black dragonscale trinket from bfa

anyone miss dat

the nya trinket

[tidal gorge]

Why don't 278 daggers drop for me. I'm sick of playing sub 😦

[echo geyser]

yeah its called being a warlock

[hybrid vale]

eww u mean with their old pvp set

from wrath

yucky

[echo geyser]

it might be magetower mog

[hybrid vale]

oh maybe there was an updated one for legion

i know what u mean ya its basically the same thing

wait i could use jmorph or something to morph into those cloths

but i dont think that would look good on pala

[strange python]

Do you ever cd intermission :O

xymox

or is that cringe

[balmy condor]

you can send it on a big boy

[limber lion]

I send it on the big boy insta

[strange python]

ahh i was holding on intermission

[limber lion]

I was doing platform 2

so it was either that or the add on platform 2

which makes no sense

[celest ruin]

any spiteful enjoyers

[hybrid vale]

be sick if the trait just applied a 6 % dmg amp u know instead of giving us a fucking dumb pet

i hate that dude

kevin

[bleak sky]

you're welcome to play heirmir

[hybrid vale]

sounds like hymen

[echo geyser]

true

time to play necro sin this week

worst thing about kevin is

if u start attacking something he will never stop until its dead

he a persistent lil' fella

[timid cloud]

He also ass pulls.

[echo geyser]

ate too much cake

[hybrid vale]

i straight up hate that dude

kevin.

[bleak sky]

[timid cloud]

[hybrid vale]

the traits in that bind are just too good

cant go anything else in good faith

[bleak sky]

can jjust go heirmir

tf

[hybrid vale]

plaguey is so good

even the minor stuff like ooz's frictionless coating is goated

[echo geyser]

deathspike sounds crazy on spiteful

[hybrid vale]

deathspike is very fun and good when u got lots of targets that don't die too fast or too slow

[obtuse robin]

does deathspike have smart ai when spreading or can it hit one with it already

[echo geyser]

no it doesnt have smart targetting

that would be too smart of blizzard

[hybrid vale]

no but if ur like too close to your primary target

[obtuse robin]

[timid cloud]

I wish it did.

[hybrid vale]

it wont always cleave

you have to edge the hitbox

that worked for me at least

[echo geyser]

does sbs have higher prio or garrote as a generator

non subterfuge

[limber lion]

Technically garrote when you're not energy saturated

but sbs after

[echo geyser]

must be swimming in sbs this week with spiteful

[limber lion]

so you'd just do 3-4 garrotes in the beginning then value sbs more because you're saturated with those garrotes.

Yeh

[oak sky]

7 min kevin at the end of every key

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

Love to see it

Gaslight everyone into thinking sin is good

[hexed root]

always sim stat weights according to wowhead guide? hmmmm

[echo geyser]

whispyr

?

[limber lion]

Pawn

[tidal gorge]

If you're reading this line, I'm trapped in a WoW guide-writing factory. Send halp.

[limber lion]

[echo geyser]

sin dropped 17 ranks in raid stats now we need to make up for it in m+

[hexed root]

@echo geyser where?

[oak sky]

Ur tellin me i gotta play m+

[hexed root]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T28_Raid.html

[echo geyser]

idk what i read prob meme shit that didnt matter on wowhead

[oak sky]

Time to swap my sub conduits back out

[echo geyser]

"skewed stats"

useless

[hexed root]

fair idk I saw outlaw went UP 17 ranks

but still inaccurate

[echo geyser]

that might be what i read

[oak sky]

None of those ranks are every accurate

[hexed root]

went over that earlier

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

Ever*

[hexed root]

yea, outlaw being like MEGA BEST OH WOW UPGRADE

not accurate

[echo geyser]

anyways irrelevant stuff

[oak sky]

I mean also overall damage in the entire raid is always useless

So

[hexed root]

just go outlaw and beat 300 people over 30000 people

it was showing for bosses as well

iirc

[bleak sky]

that's not even the issue

big issue

[hexed root]

huh?

[bleak sky]

outlaw didn't kill a good handful of bosses

or at least no llogs

so it's omega skewed data

[balmy condor]

what

did someone say

!chart

[prisma monolith]

The mythic ranking you see on warcraftlogs, and potentially on wowhead in a article currently have certain shortcommings.
The amount of logs for certain specs are fairly low, there are even no logs on certain fights and the time frame of 1 week is to low to generate useful data.
This means, Outlaw is not the best spec now and both Subtlety and Assassination are about equally strong.

[hexed root]

sooooo 300 vs 30000

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

In terms of public outlaw logs:
17 lihuvim kills
4 halondrus kills
0 anduin
10 lords of dread
0 rygleon
0 jailer

none of these fights

show up

[hexed root]

okay

[balmy condor]

in the warcraftlogs overall chart

for outlaw

you're looking at an overall chart

where outlaw is missing over half the bosses

[hexed root]

okay

im not tooooo worried. stat weights help my sin gearing

[bleak sky]

what

unsure if troll

[balmy condor]

I can't tell anymore

[hexed root]

50/50

[balmy condor]

just gonna not engage tbh

[hexed root]

like you're saying "no logs" and i'm saying "no logs"

so idk where that argument is coming from

wowhead 9.2 sin guide says to use statweights

[balmy condor]

?

[ebon notch]

There's 1 rygelon kill

By a RH regular

[brazen zodiac]

daps <3

[ebon notch]

No lmao

[hexed root]

we're both saying no logs in different ways

[ebon notch]

I'm not playing outlaw on that fight

[limber lion]

He's refering this lol @balmy condor

[hexed root]

is causing skewed data

[bleak sky]

"The above suggestion is only generic and exact values will change based on your gear available. In order to best know your best stats, we recommend you to sim your own character using many tools available in the community like SimulationCraft."

so

I don't see what you're trying to say

[bleak sky]

you're right

stop typing minalba dumb fuck

go wipe on anduin

[balmy condor]

better than trying to argue with a troll

[bleak sky]

you know

it's a shit fight

I hate it ngl

cache is doing all my damage

[oak sky]

time to fight a sausage

[brazen zodiac]

how do i sleep knowing i just parsed blue on it

[bleak sky]

not even bp

just

dumb fucking trinket

[brazen zodiac]

my 6 hunters all podded and then respawned and fought it to the death

[oak sky]

very carefully

[brazen zodiac]

how do i get all 98s then get fucked by a sausage

im ironically blaming the dog

[sour wraith]

it's so fun wdym

[hexed root]

I'm literally just reading the guide

but whatever

[bleak sky]

so true bestie

[bleak sky]

wdym it's fun

[sour wraith]

i like it?

[bleak sky]

snooze fest + L + lich king got turned into 45 anima

[sour wraith]

just gotta run chains of domination instead to have door become a dps cd

[hexed root]

Like even your copy paste @bleak sky says to sim

[bleak sky]

absolutely bestie!

[bleak sky]

don't have chains

[sour wraith]

sadge

[bleak sky]

wait

door?

[sour wraith]

yea, door out when adds spawn to break chain then step back into melee

[bleak sky]

too scared to use door on that fight

what if a circle bugs out and spawns when it shouldn't

[hexed root]

:/

[sour wraith]

gotta do what you gotta do for the parse

[balmy condor]

aight fuck it, I'm benched on the next fight

lets fucking do this

@hexed root The above suggestion is only generic and exact values will change based on your gear available. In order to best know your best stats, we recommend you to sim your own character using many tools available in the community like SimulationCraft. What do you not like about this sentence

[brazen zodiac]

unbench the mother fuckin kench

[bleak sky]

nah vita

bench is bis on anduin

[brazen zodiac]

no i mean whisp goin lets fkin do his

is it idk id be cool to kill him

i cc'd the helm so i dont even need it from him lul

[hexed root]

it literally refers to the stat weight sim?

and sim in general?

[balmy condor]

so you don't think you should sim your own character?

[hexed root]

I'm referring to the stat weights. Guide says sim stat weights, and character because stat weights change w/ character gear, but disc is also stat weights = bad

[balmy condor]

at no point does it say sim stats weights

[hexed root]

discord info =/= guide info

[balmy condor]

it provides stats weights

[balmy condor]

and then says to sim yourself

[hexed root]

"You should always use stat weights that you have simulated for your own character, but here is a general Pawn string that you can use to get started."

[balmy condor]

so that's the sentence you hate

[hexed root]

idk why you say hate

its the sentence that says sim your stats

[timid cloud]

[brazen zodiac]

yo breadman

nice vig parse

[timid cloud]

It’s not that good.

[brazen zodiac]

wasnt it 2 or 3 i looked real quick and saw ur name so

[timid cloud]

I griefed I thinksies.

Oh

I thought you meant today.

[brazen zodiac]

yeah me too u ever let ur snd fall while u lookin at ur dog

zzz

[timid cloud]

[hexed root]

it's 5 at the moment, that's crazy.

[timid cloud]

Yeah….

[brazen zodiac]

dog made me die soo many time on sausage lady

[timid cloud]

Petting dog is BIS.

[brazen zodiac]

not even petting hes just humping my leg mid pull zzzzz

[hexed root]

2.2k more than my parse just now, at 88.

dying to break 90 on a mythic boss.

[hybrid vale]

my dog is a chihuhua pupp

[hexed root]

how good is nadija on that fight @timid cloud ? doubt it'd account for 2k dps difference for me

[balmy condor]

I'm trying to figure out what part you disagree so I can deal with you the least amount of time possible. The guide is aimed at new players, who might not know how to sim themselves or care enough to try and get something accurate for themselves. I'll add a section about how stat weights specifically are not accurate and you should use top gear instead

[hexed root]

that would align with the info that discord provides. That's just where my brain is stuck, there's no disagreeing or hate. Just looking for consistency.

[balmy condor]

sadly that's not something that could ever be done

because the discord and the guide are aimed at two different groups of people

but I'll change that paragraph

[hexed root]

thats fair, I wouldn't consider that they're aimed differently

I assume the same people would go to both resources.

[timid cloud]

I tried out uhhh, 3P Nadjia, it felt okay. What I really tried to focus on was actually MFD sniping for constant energy & multiple ruptures, with of course CT uptime.

[balmy condor]

if you're in this discord you don't need a wowhead guide

[brazen zodiac]

yeah same

[hexed root]

3P? Were you rupturing everything regardless of uptime? @timid cloud ?

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[hexed root]

@balmy condor if I go to learn outlaw and I'm in here, the discord goes "look at the guide"

[balmy condor]

yes, that's where you learn the basics

[timid cloud]

Outside of Vendetta, I kinda zoned out that day I think. I don’t really recall what I did. But I just sent it & kept going with what felt right in the situation.

[balmy condor]

there's a difference between learning the basics and learning how to play optimally

we're not a new player discord or a rogue help desk for a finisher means

[hexed root]

hmmmm

[timid cloud]

Low mobs but they’ll live long, rupture, I’m running low on energy rupture, MFD the low HP small add to get it back with rupture, refresh CT.

I didn’t have that much success today I don’t think, but I tried my best.

[hexed root]

when you mfd low hp small add, what finisher are you using?

[timid cloud]

My Skolex was absolutely dogshit, my Sigil didn’t go off.

[hexed root]

that was one question I had/feel like I mess up as sin, can MFD be used for anything or is it suppose to be dedicated for a specific finisher?

[timid cloud]

Rupture if I’m gigga low, CT if I’m high energy.

I wouldn’t take my advice though, there’s still people 2k above me.

[hexed root]

oh rupture to help regen energy?

2 people 2k above ya

[timid cloud]

Yeah, just outside of vendetta.

[hexed root]

with more power infusions

lol

top 5 on a kill regardless is still hype, gjgj

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

we kill sausage on the pull where our tanks are doing the "make the boss move as much as possible" thing and i lose 3 globals in opener and also where i die to not receiving healing because too many people are dead

[timid cloud]

Yeah. I dislike that shit heavy.

Or on the last ring set.

[oak sky]

and of course we wipe on the other pulls when everything went fine

it would be too cool

[hexed root]

always improving week by week, I'll break into the 90s soon TM

[echo geyser]

/r

sorry

i thought i was in game

[brazen zodiac]

so neither of us are sleeping well tonight?

died on skolex to circles cuz computer froze

its a rough night

[oak sky]

last week i dced on a xymox r1

[hexed root]

does MFD get reserved for a specific finisher?

[oak sky]

this week i kinda want to jump off the edge at the start of every boss

[timid cloud]

I just want to kill crab. 3% pull. Free me….

[brazen zodiac]

this week i kinda wanna sell my laptop for a good time

[timid cloud]

We went Xy’mox Skolex Crab.

[oak sky]

haha i just bitched in raid chat enough to get subbed on pantheon

thank god

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

apparently we're trying to kill crab today

but like we're missing 2 player sooo

[vast loom]

no but you do save it for flag, you get 1 free use after Vendetta then hold

[oak sky]

2 bomb carriers that is

[ebon notch]

btw guys

rygelon is a lot of fun as sin

so much to minmax

and when you do it you actually notice your damage going up

it feels worth it

[hexed root]

what do you mean? you save MFD for flag? I assume you're talking like.. if it's about to come off cd?

[brazen zodiac]

u sound like ur not having very fun :(

[timid cloud]

MFD stars & cores & rupture cores.

[oak sky]

i never do reclear sucks every week

[vast loom]

you opener do your vendetta window, then you can MFD once before you need to hold for next Flaggeation

[hexed root]

I'm talking about mfd in general and what finisher to use w/ it during rotation

its mut, snd, mut, garrote, flag, rup, mfd, ct, vend, shiv, right?

[oak sky]

doesnt matter

[hexed root]

for opener

[oak sky]

yes before ct

[vast loom]

but for the rest it doesnt matter

[oak sky]

yes

[hexed root]

well right, I get you use it to 5 cp ct

okay thats the answer I was looking for, the rest.

[timid cloud]

You can use MFD on CT, Rupture, or Envenom

For the rest of the rotation.

[hexed root]

appreciate it, thank you.

[oak sky]

honestly i think i want to extend

[brazen zodiac]

man idk at least u get to reclear

[timid cloud]

This is our last clear.

Then it’s extension.

[oak sky]

i still need tier gloves

[brazen zodiac]

f

[oak sky]

278 ones

i have 265

but

once i have those i dont need anything significant from early bosses

[ebon notch]

do 272

[oak sky]

dont have any

only gloves ive seen all tier are the ones from our first lihuvim heroic kill

[ebon notch]

o i forgot you raid log on your rogue

[hexed root]

I have 278 crit/vers chest I'm hesitant to turn into tier.

[oak sky]

i did 5 keys this week

and i also have no valor

so

last week i mean

[timid cloud]

My boy hasn’t recovered from the Rona.

[oak sky]

im long recovered

been negative for a week

[brazen zodiac]

lets start a club

im mad

[oak sky]

for what

[brazen zodiac]

idk negative hate on reclear hate hate hate club

hate on sotfo

[oak sky]

i meant i tested negative for covid a week ago

[brazen zodiac]

oh glad to hear

[oak sky]

after i had it

[brazen zodiac]

oh

this is taking too many turns for my heart to handle

[timid cloud]

Lol

Just hates doing keys.

[oak sky]

ive been liking doing keys i just dont have time for 8 on both characters

[brazen zodiac]

yeah its a lot of work xd

[timid cloud]

Oh wait was what your main?

[oak sky]

i did 8 on mage and 5 on rogue

[timid cloud]

Mage, I thought only Ashkitten was a filthy blue player.

[oak sky]

just an alt

[brazen zodiac]

plot twist

we all rerollin mage

[timid cloud]

Nty

[oak sky]

alright i have to prep for 20mins of skolex wipes

[timid cloud]

Playing Green man bomberman

[brazen zodiac]

at least ur group gonna stack properly

ffs

[timid cloud]

Stacking kekw

Just yolo

[brazen zodiac]

yo breadman u wanna play league

[timid cloud]

No. I stayed up too late last night.

[brazen zodiac]

np

[timid cloud]

I did 50 keys last week no joke.

I finished my last 8 before reset.

I am tired.

[brazen zodiac]

yeah sometimes i also hate myself so much i do more than 8 keys

i think agreon too

[oak sky]

how do you do 50 hours worth of keys

[hexed root]

why so man

[oak sky]

like

[hexed root]

many*

[timid cloud]

Alts.

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[oak sky]

there isnt 50 hours in the week to do keys

arent

[brazen zodiac]

...

[timid cloud]

Don’t sleep.

You get the time from not sleeping.

LOL

[brazen zodiac]

i promise u

[cerulean nest]

simmed my sin for the first time this patch with just the random haste gear I have in bags and its literally only 200dps behind my sub with all the gear lmao

how

[oak sky]

yeah i dont sleep

[brazen zodiac]

u will see breadman up till 7 am

[oak sky]

but nobodys online late

[vast loom]

sin good

[oak sky]

so i watch netflix instead

[brazen zodiac]

what u watch on netflix

[timid cloud]

Also keys don’t take like 40m when you do it with the boys.

[brazen zodiac]

i watch bad horror movies

[oak sky]

breaking bad rn

[timid cloud]

Unless they’re all being fucking RATS

[brazen zodiac]

i cant get into bb

first episode was lame

[oak sky]

im losing brain cells reading trade chat waiting to get summoned

[brazen zodiac]

why are u literally harming urself

im about t call someone

u been torturing urselfa all night.......

[timid cloud]

Just say a hot take & then ghost out of trade chat.

Rent free.

[brazen zodiac]

just mention politics

[timid cloud]

I do it all of the time.

[oak sky]

its on my screen still

[brazen zodiac]

literal rent free

[oak sky]

so

i cant leave

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

until i get summoned

[bleak sky]

im rerolling bdk again

just like last tier

[brazen zodiac]

im rerolling a new game

[bleak sky]

I'm going for the rank 1 vampire survivors kill count

[brazen zodiac]

is new world still dead

[bleak sky]

@gusty mirage join me on the journey

also please don't ever redirect me to gromnak stream

[oak sky]

i just

almost posted the link to his stream

[gusty mirage]

[hexed root]

iktb disbanding 😦

[oak sky]

holy fuck every guild going down

[bleak sky]

I just wiped the raid