#assassination

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normal mist
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pretty much -200 dps

hollow river
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Chains trinket is good for sub

oak sky
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Yeah its not a crazy good trinket its just ok

normal mist
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its just ok... to remain in the bag

trim cairn
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I think I'ma stick to assa rogue for sure, no idea how people pull high overalls as sub

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Like I can do 30-60k depending on trash pull and my overall still ends up being like 17k xd

hollow river
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chains is best in slot for sub

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if you're willing to deal with breaking the chain

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idk bout sin tho kekw

oak sky
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Sigil is bis on sin

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Sigil or cache

trim cairn
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Cache? u sure bout that fam

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It unironically is lol wtf

oak sky
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Phial sigil or phial cache

limber lion
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Nah cache is bad

oak sky
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I hate it too but sim is sim ye?

limber lion
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No

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as in

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it's actually bad

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No cache in sight

oak sky
limber lion
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fixed the bug

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it's bad

oak sky
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Wow it was oversimming pretty big huh

limber lion
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ye

oak sky
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Good to know i'm bis

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How about for aoe

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Cache still strong there or do we go eb or something for keys

lilac sparrow
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cache oversimmed now?

oak sky
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No not anymore there were some bugs and things

wooden dawn
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or 272

lilac sparrow
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I don't have myth silv dagger (only heroic) then I decided to go sin... but I realized I don't have signet haha 😦

limber lion
wooden dawn
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my sims for sin got me using iqd and sigil D:

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pray every week for my max lvl phial since launch of slands

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not one yet

ebon notch
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when should this get added to apl cev?

limber lion
limber lion
oak sky
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Definitely dont have iqd

limber lion
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cache gains much more value the more targets you have so it's a bit eh

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and sub gains like 3x the value

ebon notch
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so it no longer over sims

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is that going to be added to nightly

fleet anchor
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I put in the changes like 4 days ago

ebon notch
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272 iqd still 70 dps below cache hmm

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didnt think itd be that big of a difference

fleet anchor
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It's not like Cache is bad bad, it's just not in the BiS discussion

wooden dawn
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its only direct dmg that procs that axe too right?

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so like bleeds dont?

fleet anchor
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ilevel will still win on things that are that close

oak sky
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Leg unity

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Hih

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Huh

fleet anchor
fleet anchor
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Assuming most people don't have Mythic chains available to them though

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So Sigil/Cache seems like a solid option

hybrid vale
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Do we like the sylvanas dagger as well

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Or just sub

fleet anchor
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Just Sub

hybrid vale
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Ok

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I wonder why

fleet anchor
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No Shadow damage amp, lower CP generation

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Don't play Kyrian

hybrid vale
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Oh didn’t know they did more shadow dmg

viscid spear
hybrid vale
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Is that a spec passive

oak sky
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Conduit

hybrid vale
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Ah ok

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So the daggers just far and away worse for us compared to the highest ilvl wep I assume

oak sky
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Yes

hybrid vale
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Ah that’s good, don’t have to worry about getting one

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No interest in sub

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Tho I think items like that are pretty dope. With neat effects

limber lion
ebon notch
limber lion
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100% proc chance

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no execute

ebon notch
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I will re sim

limber lion
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will lose to mythic sigil

hybrid vale
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i wanna race change but ive already been orc, panda, and troll

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i dont wanna be belf my dk is belf

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horde needs better races

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dwarves on alliance are so good to play fluid animations meme appearence

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maybe goblin

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dont think their animations have been updated for awhile toh

ebon notch
hybrid vale
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btw @limber lion i did my first heroic cleaer with vendetta leggo and max cov leggo and 4 piece spec feeling super fire

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glad i stuck wit it

limber lion
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followed by haste

limber lion
hybrid vale
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i love mfd glad i went venth and i get to use it

oak sky
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least cope sin channel user

hybrid vale
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DS was part of my issue before

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cause i was necro i was using ds

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now its like i get my rupture up my garrote and im doing big dmg right away

hybrid vale
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assa fufilling this itch

ebon notch
full violet
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
indigo mulch
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The anduin struggle is real 😐

versed mica
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Only issue I have with them is the weird angle the sheath weapons

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So basically any one handed weapons medium to long in length clip in the ground hard

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I hate it so much

trim cairn
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Is deathly shadows pre pull a thing as assa given you'd lose out on MA in the opener? Is there a custom sim for that?

oak sky
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no

limber lion
trim cairn
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ok ty was just curious

gusty mirage
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@toxic quail this you? 👀

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toxic quail
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hahahah nah man thats my brother

gusty mirage
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I was about to whisper him sweet nothings

toxic quail
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HAHAHAHA he would be so lost

bleak sky
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oh you went to force

toxic quail
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yeah i did a ton of sales with them in SoD and always vibed hard with them so they let me join them since i was lost for like a good month

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already got back to 7/11M this week

bleak sky
toxic quail
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just gotta get comfortable again

bleak sky
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I wanted to join but no sadge

toxic quail
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man we are so melee heavy

bleak sky
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sales = good

toxic quail
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we just lost 2 mages

bleak sky
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rip

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@oak sky it's our time to shine

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agreonicy and minalbaint

drifting cloud
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if you got 1 thats good enough

oak sky
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Whatup

toxic quail
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true Ryler

oak sky
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Bro

toxic quail
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we got 1 mage 3 locks and 2 hunters

oak sky
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Im so there

toxic quail
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and like 12 melee

oak sky
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I totally want to reroll mage main at this time

toxic quail
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i hope enhance is dead 10.0 cause its rogue time again

oak sky
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Nah but rn im just hoping my guild gets a heroic alt run together for the day

bleak sky
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get me in

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minalbaint needs the goodies

oak sky
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I will if it happens

bleak sky
oak sky
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Nobodys said anything yet

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So idk if we're doing it

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But its gonna be in lfg

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And ill suggest you

bleak sky
oak sky
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I have elegy 2ez

bleak sky
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yo same

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elegy twins

oak sky
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Please say you dont raid on frost

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Say you play venth fire

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Say it

bleak sky
oak sky
bleak sky
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I tried fire

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and fucked up all my combusts starege

oak sky
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Brooo

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So easy

bleak sky
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I was precasting pyro

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instead of fireball

oak sky
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Thats not even that bad

bleak sky
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instead of fireball -> fireblast -> cumbust

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was pyro -> cumbust -> fireblast

oak sky
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Its fireball if it doesnt crit fire blast mirrors fireball combust fire blast pyro pyro fire blast pyro pf pyro etc

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If it does crit idk what to do i would be confused starege

bleak sky
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too hard

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give me frostbolt spam

oak sky
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Need to check the google doc

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Painge

bleak sky
oak sky
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Maybe ill just look at logs starege

ebon notch
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@limber lion was there anything wrong with my iqd sim?

limber lion
trim cairn
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So I tried comparing my logs with a sim, and it appears that I am trying too hard to keep up CT over dumping CP into envenom

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Unironically Envenom not a filler ability poggers

ebon notch
limber lion
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278 versions are 50 dps apart

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makes sense that a 272 iqd loses to 278 cache

limber lion
ebon notch
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Nice

limber lion
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you spamming CT doesn't make it less of a filler ability

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:P

ebon notch
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I might fuck around with it for rygelon

trim cairn
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I'm not spamming tho, but I am honestly curious why 83% CT uptime is preferred

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Compared to higher CT uptime

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I mean ofc in a vacuum 100% uptime would be better, but apparently comparatively dumping CP into envenom is better than ensuring higher CT uptime

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At least from what I am looking at the sim compared to my logs, cuz everything is the same except I have higher CT uptime and fewer envenoms

oak sky
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You only ct in pandemic and also envenom maintains snd

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The pandemic thing means it sometimes drops because you have to do more important shit especially in vendetta

limber lion
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Because we follow normal pandemic rules

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Which means we value garrote/rupture/snd uptime more, which means we have to give up some CT up time in place

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We don't want to reapply CT too early just to maintain it

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The sim is the vacuum

oak sky
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The whole point of the sim is to calculate what logic and what uptimes and stats will make you do the most damage

trim cairn
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Ye which is why I was making that conclusion

oak sky
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Hard to argue with a computer

trim cairn
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I'm just trying to understand why I'm doing 500 dps less than the sim on dummies, and the only difference I see is I have 94% CT uptime and 9 less envenoms in a 5 minute period

limber lion
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But it's not as black and white

trim cairn
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Ofc not black and white, didn't mean to come off like that mb

ebon notch
limber lion
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Because our spec is reliant on rng cp generation and dots and so on

trim cairn
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No I'm just hitting dummies

ebon notch
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Yeah but that's DPS you're missing right

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Unless you simmed your dummy setup

trim cairn
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Ye but the sim is on dummy buffless

ebon notch
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@oak sky sounds like you

oak sky
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You simmed no consumables too?

oak sky
trim cairn
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Ye, but I am like 99% sure I'm just doing some wrong prio on CT vs envenom

limber lion
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You might be refreshing it too early during Vend windows and whatnot

green harbor
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i made a weak aura that plays a sound when i get a buff, the sound doesn't replay if i currently have the buff - can i make it so that it always plays when i gain it?

ebon notch
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Or fucking the pandemic window hard enough that I end up losing dps

trim cairn
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I checked logs and both Cev and the sim let CT drop in favor of dumping Envenoms during Flag buildup

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So I should be letting CT drop during the opener

limber lion
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That is correct, because again, like I've said multiple times now, we follow normal pandemic rules

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We don't force CT reapplication just to maintain it

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If CT > 1.8s, press something else, like Envenom

ebon notch
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Thank you cev

limber lion
uneven hamlet
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cache oversimming is fixed now?

oak sky
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Yes

limber lion
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Yes.

ebon notch
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Yes?

trim cairn
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But I could have just not asked and just looked at logs tbh and that's on me

limber lion
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You're free to ask about anything, whenever

limber lion
trim cairn
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your logs here

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at 7.7s in the sim CT is cast, (6s duration due to vendetta), at 12.75 the second envenom is sent instead of refreshing CT within vendetta

slow marsh
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Ah ye

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I think that should be CT technically

trim cairn
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Yes, and that is what I have been doing

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But I'm deviating from my sim by 500 dps and the only difference I can find when looking at the damage breakdown is amount of CT and envenom casts

slow marsh
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Well

trim cairn
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So I was wondering if I should be intentionally letting CT drop within pandemic to dump into Envenom

slow marsh
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That one global isn't 500 DPS so

vast loom
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only if you need to extend SnD

trim cairn
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Ofc, but it's 9 envenoms less with resulting less uptime of envenom buff

bleak sky
trim cairn
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Literally not when looking at damage breakdown though?

limber lion
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So I can tell you that during the second Envenom, CT is not in pandemic.

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It's less than 1s off from being in pandemic, something like 0.4s or something

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But seeing the sim use 3 Envenoms b2b2b is interesting, not sure why it does that

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I guess there's some old Shiv condition that forces Envenom casts

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I'll take a look in a bit

trim cairn
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Are you sure about that? In your logs you are casting CT at 7.2 and envenom at 12.2 which is 5s meaning there should be 1s left of CT and 0.6s within pandemic?

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I mean I treat your logs like the bible

slow marsh
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I think you might be reading a bit too much into this

drifting cloud
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x d

torn atlas
trim cairn
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But that's in the opener where you don't have an old CT up

torn atlas
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So 5 sec later there is probably more than 1sec left

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Ahh true

slow marsh
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The opener sim is probably just wonky from old apl stuff like Cev said

oak sky
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More .2% gains kekw

slow marsh
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It should be envenom in the MA window then muti CT I believe

oak sky
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Mut gar ct

slow marsh
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But either way that sequence isn't 500 DPS

oak sky
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Ct isnt in pandemic yet and garrote before ct gives you higher cp

slow marsh
oak sky
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Yeah ik

slow marsh
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It's like less than a second off pandemic

oak sky
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Mut env mut gar ct

slow marsh
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Ye

oak sky
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My gar is usually in pd by then but idk

slow marsh
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Yeah that seems about right. I don't pay attention anymore I just press buttons

limber lion
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So ultimately that does not matter that much.

trim cairn
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Guess I just suck pepehands

limber lion
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You can link your log and we can take a peek

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But if your CT is upwards of >90%, then you might be reapplying it way too often

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Remember that CT is just another maintenance dot, but it doesn't do anything extra. It just does extra damage, but doesn't provide any extra energy or anything

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Letting it drop is completely fine because it won't handicap you in any way

trim cairn
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No, it's probably cuz I pool (but not overcap) energy to ensure CT uptime instead of dumping envenom and letting CT run out

limber lion
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Letting Rupture/Garrote drop on the other hand is detrimental

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Well, during Shiv/Vend windows you shouldn't pool at all

trim cairn
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I don't pool at all during shiv/vend, I mean in general

limber lion
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But there's no harm in pooling, in fact you should probably pool

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Pooling is a good thing

vast loom
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the way i think about it is that if nothing is forcing you to press a button you probably dont need to press one, IE energy capping /CP capping buffs/bleeds falling off/imminent downtime

slow marsh
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True but there's a lot less downtime now with 4p than before

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So could just be missing globals idk

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Can't tell without logs so kinda pointless without em

trim cairn
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I'll make some dummy logs

slow marsh
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Dummy logs are pointless

trim cairn
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Oh ok

slow marsh
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Ye just get some raid logs if possible or keep it in mind to post another time when you can get some

green harbor
trim cairn
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I just thought dummy logs would be better since it isolates external conditions etc

echo geyser
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
bleak sky
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you want it to play when you gain a buff

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on gain -> sound

limber lion
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Doesn't really work without

green harbor
echo geyser
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hi cev i need help with st opener with m+ talents venthyr @limber lion

drifting cloud
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garret1 garret2 garret3

trim cairn
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on ST? lol

sudden hound
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not on st lmao

limber lion
trim cairn
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
echo geyser
subtle tundra
ebon notch
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something Sussy

subtle tundra
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Tgp cursed strats

echo geyser
bleak sky
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who else would play it

brazen zodiac
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sup minal

bleak sky
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sup sup sups up vita

brazen zodiac
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got my hunter to 60

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pog

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made chicken soup with matzah balls

bleak sky
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yuge

ebon notch
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That's what's sussy

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Venth m+

subtle tundra
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He looked at me and I inspired him 🥰

brazen zodiac
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sussy bussy

echo geyser
brazen zodiac
subtle tundra
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He will play venth assa In top

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For sure

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Or streets

ebon notch
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Ram is fried btw

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He streamed for 17 hours straight

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He started ranting about 100% kevin uptime then turned his stream off

subtle tundra
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LMAO

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Fucking Kevin

oak sky
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7 min kevin at the end of pf

bleak sky
ebon notch
subtle tundra
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Yea I'm faking

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Faking stupid

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I typed another word but it was bad and the bot deleted it

balmy condor
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!log @subtle tundra

prisma monolithBOT
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Warnings: 0
Mutes: 0
Bot-Filter: 3

balmy condor
brazen zodiac
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hi varas

balmy condor
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The triple up

subtle tundra
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Cry about it

subtle tundra
brazen zodiac
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lfr too hard rn apparently

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f

bleak sky
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what a naughty boy

subtle tundra
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!log @bleak sky

bleak sky
subtle tundra
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Hit filter 30000 times

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What a naughty boy

bleak sky
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i'll hit your filter

subtle tundra
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😫

bleak sky
ebon notch
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@balmy condor do me I'm scared

balmy condor
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Aight just this once and then no more

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!log @ebon notch

prisma monolithBOT
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Warnings: 0
Mutes: 0
Bot-Filter: 5

ebon notch
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Easy for me

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All 5 of those were accidental btw

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😎

bleak sky
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def not gamer words in OT

subtle tundra
ebon notch
ebon notch
timid cloud
solid venture
oak sky
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!log @oak sky

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lemme think

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1 mute

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3 bot filter

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muted for baiting it i think

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then 3 r words in off topic i think

bleak sky
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imma say it

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r

oak sky
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das me

gusty mirage
oak sky
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no i like it here

bleak sky
rotund oak
hollow escarp
glass tulip
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alliance pugging hurts my brain Minalba

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idk how you do it now

solid venture
oak sky
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wait is minalba's rogue alliance now

vestal wren
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should solve that problem

bleak sky
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and mad

oak sky
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mf u on whisperwind rn?

bleak sky
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that a 3.3k resto druid doesn't know how to decurse on 2nd boss halls and dies to the jump

oak sky
bleak sky
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and the same druid goes on a rant about how important it is to use defensives and kicks in a dungeon

oak sky
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i ranted at a tank that was shit because he was pulling like 3 mobs and our mage and boomie were doing piss dam and i told him hes dumb and theyre uncapped and obviously i would do more if he pulls like a little bitch boy

glass tulip
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yeah I just run through convoking random mobs and doing tank damage

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240 ilvl

oak sky
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my mage is starting to pop off 👀

bleak sky
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sheesh

oak sky
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some very good comboosts

subtle tundra
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fire

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respekt

oak sky
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fire in raid frost in keys rn

subtle tundra
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fuck you

oak sky
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no leggo for fire in keys

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when i get it ill mix it up

subtle tundra
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sorry im very reactive

oak sky
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ye

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i dont have dc but i have freezing winds and skb

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idk nf frost feels pretty nice in keys its not very hectic

bleak sky
oak sky
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but aoe combusts on fire can be fun so idk

bleak sky
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phoenix strike blast strike

subtle tundra
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annoying ass legendary

bleak sky
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dc is cringe

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fuck dc

subtle tundra
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im getting necro renown to try frost

oak sky
subtle tundra
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glad you know the technicalities, didnt ask

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sorry

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im..

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sorry

oak sky
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i still like nf frost in keys necro is some raid and tyrannical shizzle

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tyran almost over nf is the move again soonTM

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(i dont have necro leveled yet)

subtle tundra
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i saw people play dc on frost nf

oak sky
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yep

bleak sky
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legit cringe

subtle tundra
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once again, CRINGE

oak sky
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freezing winds is fine still i think tho

bleak sky
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just be a chad and run the 30 thingies

oak sky
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that shits cringe im ngl

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cold front

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rather play fw than dc for frost though

solid venture
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Talking about mages in here is a cardinal sin starege

subtle tundra
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dont remind me

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ill have to swap to WOUND poison for jailer

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SWAP POISONS

indigo mulch
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You dont have an arms warrior? =c

subtle tundra
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the warriors are 0 iq 1 trick

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furynobrain

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the warrior that could play arms got gkicked during rygelon prog OMEGAKEKW

glass tulip
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does wound poison stack with mortal strike?

subtle tundra
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no

oak sky
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monk can do it too we had that conversation the other day

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supposedly

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if they rsk it gives you 10s of heal cut

subtle tundra
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only windwalker

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and windwalker in raid kekw

rotund oak
bleak sky
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don't be jelly sap

vestal wren
torn atlas
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Possible to switch poison mid fight for the wound effect, or does it need to be stacking?

bleak sky
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it's mid fight swap

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or else you do 0 damage until p4

torn atlas
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yeah makes sense

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is it a Mythic only mechanic, or HC too?

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We start Jailer prog tonight, though assume will be a while before we hit that part of the fight

oak sky
oak sky
torn atlas
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aiight sweet, I'm clear haha

ebon thorn
bleak sky
glass tulip
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yikers

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how bad you gotta play to get kicked mid pull

ebon thorn
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na i have a friend who raids there

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and the RL is kinda the standard 2004 raid lead rage kind of person

bleak sky
ebon thorn
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its good content to watch Okayge

bleak sky
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eu comms

oak sky
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BR NA comms monkaW

bleak sky
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I'm a fucking scholar alright

oak sky
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yeah ive heard you youre a natural bro

subtle tundra
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pew pew paw paw

glass tulip
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2head comms lul

bleak sky
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I see double cringe dh

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instead of omega chad sin player

oak sky
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tf

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raid util really that op huh

subtle tundra
oak sky
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@bleak sky drop the stream

bleak sky
oak sky
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wait

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are they raiding rn

bleak sky
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no

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I'm looking over raider io

oak sky
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ohhh

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logwatcher

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how 2head are varas comms

bleak sky
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no idea i've only seen him do keys

oak sky
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are they all pugs

bleak sky
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nah it's his team with the paywall hunter

oak sky
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varas plays with that guy OMEGAKEKW

bleak sky
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agreon do I play brew or prot war as my next alt

subtle tundra
oak sky
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tanking is banned

subtle tundra
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not my problem

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also

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folyr stocks rising

bleak sky
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who tf folyr

subtle tundra
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my monk you stoopid how do you not know

bleak sky
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rename it

oak sky
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monker widepeepohappy

bleak sky
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make it varasm

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varasmonka

subtle tundra
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no, i am cool

oak sky
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folyr on da rise

bleak sky
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it's happening

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oak sky
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my monk is giga abandoned ngl

bleak sky
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ram is baiting people into sin for keys

oak sky
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double necro

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gg

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our aoe is way too far behind with tier

pearl ingot
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Yeah it doesn’t even feel fun anymore, you feel like a undergeared twink in aoe pulls :/

subtle tundra
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i thought it was fine?

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30% fok buff?

bleak sky
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yuge buff

oak sky
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Clueless

subtle tundra
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dont worry guys, they aura buffed monk!

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its all good!

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incompetence at its finest!

oak sky
#

your monk about to pop off

subtle tundra
#

if we dont get a brm tank ill have to play ww in pfs

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its fine, im god at multi-spec

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multi-role

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multi-game

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put me in, coach

pliant nest
#

What other tank would you get?

bleak sky
#

prot pally / prot warrior maybe

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bdk is dead

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✝️

pliant nest
#

F

empty hinge
subtle tundra
#

dh is strong too

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cause it buffs surv/destro

bleak sky
#

dh tank does no single target tho

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good aoe no single

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but rare must be a freak

oak sky
#

dh buffs sub pretty well too tbh

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lot of shadow dam

bleak sky
#

dh and rogue do the same thing

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oh tank dh yeah

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but then who the fuck plays necro

oak sky
#

the monk bro

bleak sky
#

what monk starege

oak sky
#

the one that varas has

bleak sky
#

they need 2

oak sky
#

that he plays instead of rogue

bleak sky
#

who is the other one

oak sky
#

the priest

bleak sky
#

cringe

oak sky
#

more st i guess

bleak sky
#

not omega chad boon priest

oak sky
#

they go nf sometimes too

bleak sky
#

giga chad simping priest

bleak sky
sonic briar
#

quick question, do you do deathly shadows opener as sin

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or does it not werk

trim cairn
#

You lose MA benefit in the opener so it'll scuff your burst more than you gain apparently

sonic briar
#

ahh

noble umbra
#

im doing halondrus and my 2nd vandetta comes up 30 seconds before my flag

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that cant be right?

trim cairn
#

I'm pretty sure you just forgot to click vendetta at that point

noble umbra
#

i didnt

limber lion
#

Unity probably broken.

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Take it off, re-equip it and then relog

noble umbra
#

ahh you were right @limber lion thats why you're payed the big bucks

strange python
#

how do i put Cev's 4p WA into the afenar group

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i cant drag or do i have to duplicate or sth

limber lion
limber lion
#

:p

strange python
hot vapor
#

if you are dragging several you can mark them with ctrl + click and move them in one go

stable pasture
#

Is there a point where haste becomes less valuable?

limber lion
#

But no, there are no soft caps or hard caps or breakpoints

#

Sim yourself.

stable pasture
#

was going through whispyr guide to gear rogue ass assas, looking at bis gear and had seen not every piece that he has put is haste/vers although there are haste vers options for gear in slots he's put crit/vers example

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At what point is the breakpoint for haste generally? like mage hits for fire at around 33% etc.

limber lion
#

?

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Read my message

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There literally are no breakpoints

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Everything is dynamic

stable pasture
#

It's not like haste is great till around idk 25% then the DR really start to hit more kind of thing

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?

limber lion
#

No

bleak sky
#

no

limber lion
#

Lmao

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what

bleak sky
#

ignore stats

limber lion
#

what is your fixation with haste?

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Where did you heard that haste is this super omega bis stat that we need?

stable pasture
#

was just using it as an example

limber lion
#

because that's not true

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whatsoever

stable pasture
#

and whispyr puts in his guide as best stat

hollow escarp
#

it is but it's not as important as you think

limber lion
#

Yes because it is generally the best stat

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But not something you stack or something you try to hit a breakpoint with or anything

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That's not how the game works for us

stable pasture
#

Ok

limber lion
#

We don't get any extra ticks or anything

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The answer to stat questions

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is always

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"Sim yourself"

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The gear Whispyr recommends is based on gear that's available that sims the best

hollow escarp
#

the game is not that complicated as we want to think it is Sadge

limber lion
#

I can assure you that he does not look at stats whatsoever

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like at all

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He just slaps all the items in a simulation

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then the sim tells us what we wear

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You shouldn't look at stats at all

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You look at the item level

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And nothing else

stable pasture
#

cool

limber lion
#

If you have 2 items that are the same item level, then you sim yourself

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Haste is currently my worst stat

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And that's not because I've hit a breakpoint or something

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Just sim yourself

hollow escarp
#

there's only a few specs that have breakpoints or caps

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I think frost mage had a thing with crit iirc

stable pasture
#

yer came from mage

bleak sky
hallow sonnet
#

Well, I mean, since 9.0 there's several breakpoints for each stat

bleak sky
#

because ice lance yadda yadda

hollow escarp
#

ye

limber lion
#

Fire Mage gets an extra cast during combustion with higher haste levels, but our gcd's don't change depending on haste levels and our bleeds/poisons work dynamically

hallow sonnet
#

For where the stat loses 10% effect per new stat point

hollow escarp
#

yeah, the dr

limber lion
#

Meaning that we never lose out on ticks, even if they are not full ticks towards the end of a bleed/poison

limber lion
bleak sky
#

tfw partial ticks

hollow escarp
#

it is a DR breakpoint, isn't it?

limber lion
#

But yeah, just like I said previously, we have diminishing returns on all stats

hallow sonnet
#

Not sure I agree, if you represent it as a line in a graph these points represent a break in that line.

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It's not a curve

limber lion
#

Sure, but most of the time in the game when you talk about a breakpoint, you talk about a point where a stat massively loses its value, as in you don't want any of that stat after you hit that point

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Which is not true for the current linear diminishing returns we have in place

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For Mage a breakpoint is when you get an extra cast during Combustion off

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Then you don't want haste anymore and want something else

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For us, we still want all stats even after hitting that 30% DR

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It's not a written rule where "once we hit 30% haste, you stop taking it altogether"

hallow sonnet
#

True, I guess. But losing 10% value in this day and age is rather huge

limber lion
#

Yes but not really

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Because stats are so minimal in nature for most specs

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Stats are not a thing anymore for most specs

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You just want item level

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primary stats

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There are literally our stat weights currently

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They're all the same

hollow escarp
#

I see some mastery scaling there

hallow sonnet
#

That is very tight indeed

limber lion
#

There is no one-beats all stat that suddenly drops off when we hit a certain point

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Just get em all

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Doesn't matter

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It's good because the only point where stats actually matter is when you're gearing towards full bis

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so when you're 280 ilvl, that's when you should focus more on stats and whatnot

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Before then it doesn't matter - unless you play IQD

#

It's a bit different for Sub, because Sub really doesn't like haste

hallow sonnet
#

Though, Raidbots extrapolate their stat weightings if you use that function.
I'm unsure if that takes much of anything into account there.
Better to make several profiles with different stat scaling steps

limber lion
#

Yes, which is exactly what the stat plot here is showing

hallow sonnet
#

Yeah good

limber lion
#

It's showing everything between -300 and +300 of each stat

subtle tundra
#

any 28 top necro assa master player ez

unknown.png
limber lion
#

And how much of a dps loss or gain it would be

hollow escarp
limber lion
#

So if there was some sort of magical breakpoint in place, you would see a massive jump in the graph whenever that happens

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But there isn't one

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But yeah, anyways

trim cairn
#

Actually competetive Clappers

limber lion
#

This is also the reason we don't promote bis lists anymore. A lot of people read bis lists like the bible. We've had multiple people say something along the lines of "I chose [the lower ilvl item] instead of [the high ilvl item] because [low ilvl item] is bis"

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So "I chose the 268 ilvl Arachnid Cypher ring instead of the 278 DoS ring because the Arachnid ring is bis"

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then we sim it and it's a 100+ dps loss for them

bleak sky
#

you mean my 220 phial is bad and I should use a 278 ooze? can't be

subtle tundra
limber lion
#

Some bis profile items at the highest item levels are sometimes even a loss for some profiles

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The bis lists and bis items are very, very specific for that certain profile

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Like we had the person earlier ask why Whispyr had vers/crit items equipped even though haste is the best stat

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But yeah

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Always just gotta sim yourself

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Never ever sim Stat Weights

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Ever

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literally ever

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never

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ever

#

only use Top Gear and Droptimizer, nothing else

strange python
bleak sky
#

people don't read pins

strange python
#

a lot of people i know both guildies and friends rely on stat weights a lot

bleak sky
#

people don't read FAQs

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everyday there are tons of questions in here that are answered in the pins and faq so

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it doesn't solve a problem

limber lion
#

I personally enjoy the concept of breakpoints, stat weights and whatnot - but that's just not how the game works like nowadays

gray hazel
#

What end of dungeon dps are you guys pulling in 18+ keys as assassination?

bleak sky
#

more than the tank, less than the warlock

strange python
#

Hugely depends on how big your tank pulls and how fast

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In dogshit pugs that go slow, usually 14-18k depending on the dungeon

bleak sky
#

but don't focus on the number

#

focus on playing well

gray hazel
#

Just trying to see how I compare to others. I usually only do 11k, peaking at just under 14.

#

So just sounds like I have lots of room for improvement

bleak sky
#

you can't compare m+ numbers

#

you don't know how we pull, we don't know how you pull

#

we don't know how fast your mobs die, how ours die

gray hazel
#

That’s fair

bleak sky
#

you don't know what's "fast" or slow for us

regal cloud
brazen zodiac
#

@bleak sky good morning

bleak sky
#

gm gm vita

brazen zodiac
#

how r u mister minal

bleak sky
#

pretty good, watching varas gaming

#

hbu

trim cairn
#

And said warlock uses mortal coil on me on xav

#

xd

zinc frost
#

Too many FOTM re-rollers

gusty mirage
#

Good morning friends

iron orchid
gusty mirage
#

Hope you’re all having a blessed day

hollow river
fallow canopy
hollow river
#

3k io warlock but they’re a fotm reroll so they do 11k dps omegalul

bleak sky
zinc frost
bleak sky
hollow river
zinc frost
#

Look at this wholesome sin chat, people malding getting muted in sub chat.

gusty mirage
#

Because you’re all wonderful whispyrheart

bleak sky
limber lion
#

true

bleak sky
#

Brian was the best green name but then he fled the country

#

unfortunate

ebon notch
#

Or any of my character names

gusty mirage
#

Because Brian had one thing on his mind, getting bitches

zinc frost
verbal mantle
ebon notch
glass tulip
mystic fractal
#

My name is Brian and I was very confused reading this chat w my morning coffee lol

bleak sky
#

You're not him

#

We're not Him

glass tulip
#

We'll never be him

ebon notch
viscid spear
#

Why are we talking about names?

vestal wren
#

it is a late aprils fool joke

gusty mirage
spice spire
#

AKA the GOAT

bleak sky
hybrid vale
#

I’m ready to own in wow today I’ve cleared my schedule

bleak sky
#

hope you have a great day quake

#

and get some rest

#

all the good stuff

spice spire
#

You as well mister minalba

#

No shot tho

hybrid vale
#

Fuck Brian

bleak sky
spice spire
#

40 hour long migraine rooAwwShakeZoom

echo geyser
#

Hello sin channel i am wondering if anyone played venthyr in keys and did u play mfd

bleak sky
#

!mute ziggly respect your elders

echo geyser
bleak sky
spice spire
bleak sky
#

varas also plays mfd in keys when venth

echo geyser
#

💀

bleak sky
#

share the secret

#

spill the tea

#

what's up with the sin interest

spice spire
#

My guess is top RHmm

hot vapor
#

i just decided to make a rouge and sin looks fun

bleak sky
subtle tundra
#

wtf

spice spire
subtle tundra
spice spire
#

Doesn’t bdk roll Kyrian rn anyway?

bleak sky
#

ye

spice spire
gusty mirage
#

bdk about to roll bench rn

spice spire
#

On god

bleak sky
#

still

#

necro key

echo geyser
#

thisisfine bdk in shambles

bleak sky
#

kinda? I guess idk

spice spire
#

I mean yeah I thought the same

bleak sky
spice spire
#

But outside of MAYBE

#

Spires

gusty mirage
#

spires tyran is sick for sin

subtle tundra
#

fucking cursed tgp strats

bleak sky
#

is it holy necro pally or prot warrior or brew

spice spire
#

Idk where else you’d roll sin

subtle tundra
bleak sky
#

GIVE THE JUICE

spice spire
#

Over sub currently

craggy oak
echo geyser
#

Why not all at once

gusty mirage
echo geyser
#

4 necro

bleak sky
echo geyser
subtle tundra
spice spire
subtle tundra
#

its big aoe

hybrid vale
#

You got a log man

bleak sky
hybrid vale
#

Of the giga runs

echo geyser
#

Necro sin is a specialist on aoe starege

gusty mirage
hybrid vale
#

Good to learn from

subtle tundra
spice spire
zinc frost
spice spire
#

What was it mister varas

slow marsh
#

What is going on here

subtle tundra
#

not flexing but i kinda destroyed

spice spire
#

Talk to me hit me with it

spice spire
bleak sky
spice spire
#

Ram plays one 30 as sin

gusty mirage
subtle tundra
bleak sky
spice spire
#

And this entire channel ODs on hopium

bleak sky
#

BUT ONCE AGAIN

spice spire
#

(Especially me)

echo geyser
hybrid vale
#

That’s the giga shit

subtle tundra
bleak sky
#

It's not good to learn from people playing in a coordinated group doing high keys

#

you won't learn shit

gusty mirage
#

stop hating

bleak sky
#

because you likely can't apply the strats

bleak sky
spice spire
subtle tundra
gusty mirage
#

the man's got a point

spice spire
#

(If anyone is new, please disregard my trolling)

hybrid vale
#

He’s not playing venth in this log

subtle tundra
#

i think we're the only team doing pfs with no disease dispell

#

top with no disease dispell

bleak sky
#

go look around

#

poke stuff

gusty mirage
#

you ever run a top fortified without a decurse? KEKW

slow marsh
#

Destro is so strong people are playing sin cuz it really doesn't matter huh

echo geyser
#

Sanest team on EU

hybrid vale
#

Oh ok.

echo geyser
gusty mirage
#

guarantee someone dies on the elemental

#

its like clockwork

hybrid vale
subtle tundra
#

we deplete 29 nw and 29 hoa like nobody's business

bleak sky
#

a little hunter doing a little trolling

subtle tundra
#

today was cursed

spice spire
# gusty mirage I'm just a ramfamfan

I'm not a fan of any player in particular. I'm just a fan of whoever plays the best World of Warcraft and right now that just happens to be Ramfam from Kazzak. Show some respect.

gusty mirage
#

I timed a couple 23s this week, one day I'll grow up to be like ramfan and varas

subtle tundra
#

you should've seen my outlaw in bfa s1

bleak sky
spice spire
#

You could delete the last 3

vestal wren
#

just don't give up and focus on improving

gusty mirage
#

almost timed a 24 gambit but our survival hunter threw the key

spice spire
#

And it would be correct , mister varas

gusty mirage
spice spire
zinc frost
gusty mirage
#

went into last boss w/ 12 minutes, he died every single fucking pull

#

then ran into the star

#

twice

#

LOL

hybrid vale
#

@subtle tundra how many garrotes can you get out before subterfuge runs out. I can only do 3 now

slow marsh
#

IF YOU BELIEVE, YOU CAN ACHIEVE BOIS LETS GO

subtle tundra
bleak sky
#

3

hybrid vale
#

But maybe with a little more haste I could get 4

bleak sky
#

what

#

no

gusty mirage
#

so he died first pull, brezzed him, then he ran into the star twice

subtle tundra
#

haste doesnt give gcd reduction

gusty mirage
#

and we all wiped

bleak sky
#

subterfuge is 3 seconds

zinc frost
vestal wren
#

assassinations gcd is flat 1 sec

bleak sky
#

how do you want to fit 4 gcds in 3 sec

gusty mirage
#

then he did it again the 2nd time

bleak sky
gusty mirage
vestal wren
#

so you can only get 3

spice spire
#

Hardstuck 0.8s GCD

gusty mirage
vast loom
#

Rogue monk and I think feral all have that non hasted gcd

gusty mirage
#

I'm like bro I don't care it happened its fine

ember mural
bleak sky
#

I need something to push keys on

#

and can't decide if it's mage or dh or a tank

subtle tundra
#

reminds me

hybrid vale
#

Oof my bad

gusty mirage
subtle tundra
#

gotta gear my monk

#

more

bleak sky
subtle tundra
#

i dropped soleah in 3 gambits

gusty mirage
#

lies

subtle tundra
#

😳

bleak sky
#

but for real though

#

I wanna push

#

but not on rogue

gusty mirage
#

we got a tank homie 😦

bleak sky
#

dog shit class

subtle tundra
#

i wanna be top dps

trim cairn
#

I'm at 1s according to detailed character stats

slow marsh
#

Play outlul

gusty mirage
#

true

hybrid vale
#

Monk is a bit fun at least in aoe

#

Weapons of order fun too

vestal wren
slow marsh
#

It just needs 3 more 3% damage buffs and it'll be fine I promise

subtle tundra
bleak sky
gusty mirage
#

@bleak sky how's the mage coming along

bleak sky
#

mage is chad

gusty mirage
#

we need a 5th that shows up

bleak sky
#

actually geared

trim cairn
vast loom
#

Is frost as easy as it looks?

subtle tundra
#

frostbolt

#

frostbolt

#

fr-zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

slow marsh
gusty mirage
#

blizzard -> orb -> ice lance in aoe

subtle tundra
#

sorry i fell asleep

hybrid vale