assassination

[tiny parrot]

just did a few keys, i did big boss dmg but its kinda odd thats all the dots fall off very often

[muted condor]

does subby rogey wogey and assy wasssy have the same stat prio? 😛

[oak sky]

does it say dauntless duelist in pure st

[balmy condor]

no

[muted condor]

F

[unreal kayak]

anyone have some tips i run out of energy before i get to press vanish in opner

[balmy condor]

#1 tip is to wait

[muted condor]

im enjoying ass in keys, but i tried out sub and i think its just shooting my foot to play ass 😛

[oak sky]

i dont even play sub and i do like 5k more overall

[limber lion]

I think they're both ass

[oak sky]

sub feels awful rn if you dont get a proc

since you finish more in aoe it feels less bad but

[limber lion]

idk it feels bad to me even if I do get insane procs

I still do 0 damage

[subtle tundra]

ok but community perception is everything

[limber lion]

I press Aimed Shot 3 times in a row and do 80k dps

[subtle tundra]

i get to do high keys bcs im sub

pogers

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

Varas knows more than anyone

[oak sky]

bro the sub rogue dopamine rush is pretty decent but like yeah other classes just do more

[limber lion]

Like I go

[subtle tundra]

i lied so much to my healers he wants me to try assa more

[limber lion]

HOOLY FUCK I JUST HAD 12 PROCS b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b2

I look at the meters

I do like 30k dps

then there's a survi doing 50k

an mm hunter doing 45k

[lucid birch]

Rogue is bad in keys prove me wrong

[limber lion]

a destrolock doing 100k

[subtle tundra]

i had a 120k aoe today on sub

[oak sky]

im doing like 40k with decent procs but other classes just do more dam

[subtle tundra]

destro and surv were like 200+ but i felt good

[spice spire]

Don’t think you’ll have an argument here buddy

[limber lion]

let me guess, 60% of it was Vicious Wounds

[subtle tundra]

STFU

[limber lion]

LMAO

trinket spec

[oak sky]

dont think ive ever seen enough mobs for that bro

[spice spire]

We’re tank damage with some stuns

[lucid birch]

Woh stole your cloak

[spice spire]

Vy stole ur pi

[lucid birch]

As if bb

[oak sky]

frost mage is gonna overtake rogue lets be real

mages are more hero than rogue

[lucid birch]

Vy is omegabait

[subtle tundra]

hey

[spice spire]

Ur omega bait

[subtle tundra]

i also stop fishsticks 😎

[spice spire]

TRUE

[lucid birch]

[spice spire]

Our one true utility

[subtle tundra]

im proud of my ability to stop double fishsticks

on sub ofc

assa could never

even stop 1

[spice spire]

Wait

Mister varas pls

Not like this

[lucid birch]

Whispyr opens our venthyr jars excellently

[spice spire]

Tames the gargoyles too, I bet

[oak sky]

i actually top keys with my guild on sub 🤨

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

same

my guildies not good at m+

[oak sky]

well our warlock would beat me but he doesnt play keys much

we dont have any sv mains so they cant beat me either

[spice spire]

Man just has to press rain of fire 🤨

[open arrow]

is keeping ct up on a target more important then casting envenom?

[oak sky]

yes

[balmy condor]

yep

unless your snd is gonna fall off

[spice spire]

Yes, unless your snd will fall off

Fucking whispyr

[open arrow]

ah kk gotcha

xd

[balmy condor]

fucking me when

[spice spire]

🤨

[balmy condor]

also where?

[spice spire]

I’m ready whenever papi

[balmy condor]

are you coming to cali

[hollow river]

[lucid birch]

[balmy condor]

or am I going to Tennessee

or like

we meet in the middle

[hollow river]

It always ends up like this in sin chat

[spice spire]

Just meet in the middle

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Like a Chinese finger trap

[oak sky]

ur the only ten i see

[hollow river]

WOA

[balmy condor]

@spice spire

[spice spire]

Also nice doxx whispyr

[hollow river]

Lolololil

[spice spire]

Gotta move now Smdh

[oak sky]

irl logwatch

[spice spire]

They know I live in a state of too many people

[hollow river]

I’m within 2 hours of you 🙂

[lucid birch]

Im within 10 minutes of whispyr

[spice spire]

Wait

[lucid birch]

Emotionally not physically

[spice spire]

Are you actually?

Idgaf if people know loosely where I live

[balmy condor]

yeah my bad, I guess people could pick a random person and have a 1/6.829 million chance to find you

gottem

[spice spire]

Like at least 20 people in here know the city

[balmy condor]

I'm one of them

[spice spire]

Ye

[balmy condor]

(I don't know the city because I forgot like I forgot everything else as well)

[spice spire]

Oxi and I literally spoke about it last night I even listed the high way

[glass tulip]

if you top i'll bottom

[subtle tundra]

im literally muting my gm during prog

[balmy condor]

(I wasn't there for that)

[oak sky]

is tennessee like 2 hours across or what

is that whats up tricks

[balmy condor]

tennessee is just california rotated 90 degrees

[oak sky]

GUYS I LIVE WITHIN 7 HOURS OF WHISPYR

[spice spire]

Not quite that long

[hollow river]

Nah it’s just really skinny and long

[subtle tundra]

fucking na talk

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

me and whispyr live in the same state

[balmy condor]

it's weird how you're like 50 miles away and it takes you 7 hours but a flight to the other side of the country is 5

[subtle tundra]

get real be european

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

bro varas could cross 2 countries in the time it would take me to get to you

[muted condor]

im enjoyin ass, but im just sitting here, trying to decide if i wanna get ass lego or sub, (can only get one)
like, i enjoy ass, but doing damage is good

[hollow river]

Y u gota b rachel

[oak sky]

bro is that friends

[dry terrace]

i was checking the master assassin opener on icy veins. i'm struggling to get the garrote and rupture in after mut snd mut. no energy

[hollow river]

Mut snd mut takes up your entire MA window

[dry terrace]

yeah sure but then because you have no bleeds up its takes a long while before i can garr and rup

is this the right?

[hollow river]

Yes

[ashen scroll]

If you're belf its common to mut snd mut belf into a garr

[dry terrace]

yeah i'm doing that as well feels kinda odd though i must admit

[ashen scroll]

It does feel weird i agree, i kinda wish sin had better energy regen

[hollow river]

That’s how the spec works

[strange python]

is there any way to copy info about items from simulationcraft profile? i want to compare some stuff in raidbots

[dry terrace]

i feel like subterfuge is smoother, pity it sims less

[hollow river]

I mean

It’s literally only your opener that you are that starved for energy

The entire rest of an encounter you are fine

Not that big of a deal IMO

[dry terrace]

true, would you play subterfuge in dungeons or never?

[hollow river]

In dungeons yeah

[slow marsh]

do you guys ever like readjust your posture in your chair and accidently sit on your sack

[hollow river]

Inappropriate

[oak sky]

these things happen

[slow marsh]

it's not inappropriate. it factors in to why my parses are so bad

[oak sky]

thats so cope dude

[balmy condor]

you can get the string from the profile or use droptimizer/gear compare

[oak sky]

just adjust so your sack is not sat on

[balmy condor]

usually gear compare is the easiest way

getting the string for people not familiar can be confusing

but you can find it in the html report under profile

and then pick out the slot you want and add it to your /simc

[hollow river]

There’s nothing but easily offended cat girls in here bro u gotta tread carefully

[slow marsh]

Cap

[hollow river]

No kizzy this is FFxiv chat

[strange python]

yeah i tried it but still had problems with covenant, conduits so i combined it with my simc output, thanks

[gray horizon]

whispyr is the only 10 i see

[hollow river]

[subtle tundra]

so close yet so far

(its like 100 wipes though, no 42)

if we dont kill in the last 10 minutes of the raid, i miss the kill 😦

my daggersssss

[formal badge]

Quicky... i know there is a method to reset the mad dukes tea cd, i can recall it had something to do with Torghast but what exactly

[limber lion]

It has been patched unfortunately. It no longer works.

[formal badge]

tried it, worked.

[limber lion]

Try pressing the item in your bag

and let me know if it works :)

[formal badge]

tried it, didnt work

malding now

playing 27 gambit without tea

[limber lion]

[subtle tundra]

draven angle

zzzz

no rygelon kill

unluck

[limber lion]

tomorrow fo sho

[subtle tundra]

nah next raid is thursday and im missing it

[limber lion]

oh rip

are you extending

[subtle tundra]

ye

[limber lion]

ripperino pepperino

[subtle tundra]

we can get hof i guess

[limber lion]

ezpz

[wild beacon]

pog

[hollow river]

Biiig

[wild beacon]

now to look up how to use this thing

[gusty mirage]

pretty sure its on CD

should line up just fine w/ vendoota

just make a macro for it to target you and then use it

to make sure you get stats :3

[wild beacon]

noice will do

[hollow river]

There’s a WA you can get that tries to predict what it will do

So you don’t give healer mana or heal someone

Iirc

[balmy condor]

vendoodie

[gusty mirage]

hehe you said doodie

[balmy condor]

[wild beacon]

Gives me 900 crit

Relax bro

[glass ledge]

So just asking but is Crimson Tempest really best talent for Venthyr single target

[late needle]

what is the pandemic timers?

[limber lion]

Yes

[limber lion]

30% of their value.

So Rupture is 7.2, Garrote is 5.4, CT is 3.6

Half of that during Vendetta with 4p

[past bobcat]

IQD is really good with the Venthyr?

[gusty mirage]

Yeppers

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

gottem

[glass ledge]

Thanks Ceverion.

[hoary fulcrum]

is there a reason in my sims it like never sims phial and divisible ooze together? i had them clicked, with elegy and earthbreaker, and it did every combo except them paired

[orchid hollow]

how long should i hold shiv for vendetta

[halcyon zealot]

if you don’t use it wrong you shouldn’t really have to ever wait for it, you’d use it once with vendetta and once without, and then the next use is with your next vendetta

assuming 4pc ofc

but in general i think it’s ~12seconds

[orchid hollow]

do i need to do any pooling or any shit before i cast it or should i just hit it as soon as its up

[whole mason]

Hi, is there code for cache sword in raidbot?

[halcyon zealot]

you just press it when it comes up for the uses that are in between vendetta, typically with mfd also as that follows the same use pattern as shiv

[orchid hollow]

cool ty

[halcyon zealot]

np

[balmy condor]

You’d have to change the apl, it’s not worth it

[whole mason]

I'm pretty sure it is not worth it, but it could give me a solid number to argue with other people.

so i was just wondering

[balmy condor]

You’re arguing with people about it?

Yikes

[whole mason]

haha

[balmy condor]

But yeah it’s a pain in the ass

Gotta do it through advanced and change the apl

[whole mason]

sometimes, it is easy to understand things for me, but difficult for other people...for example, without numbers, they believe turn on the sword before Vend and get a snapshot with all bleeding would be great... etc.

[balmy condor]

Yeh, I mean that’s what we’re here for

To theorycraft and say what’s the best

[whole mason]

should i just change this line to "sword"?

or maybe somewhere else

[balmy condor]

Idk what the full buff is called

[celest ruin]

can anyone explain why 278 cache beats 278 sigil by like 70 dps for me?

[balmy condor]

But that’s what you would change

[brazen zodiac]

link ur sim?

[celest ruin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4HpwYYcK5ZzcThBaKJdRAw

[balmy condor]

Cache damage good

Sigil damage also good but less good

[tacit pebble]

ya the 278 cache is simming dummy thicc for me

[whole mason]

I think cache is now the BIS, isn't it?

[glass tulip]

if you get a 2nd use of cache it is probably better

[dusky tide]

Cache is always AXE?

[glass tulip]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[whole mason]

oh, wait, probably depending on the boss time.

[balmy condor]

Always axe

[dusky tide]

Ty

[whole mason]

5mins is like not fair for sigil, maybe

[glass tulip]

try a 6 min

increased by about 150 in that time for me

so very dependent on fight time

[orchid hollow]

im like 99 percent sure im right about this but i have a question about how pandemic works. When applying a new rupture, does the pandemic timer use the time that corresponds to the number of combo points i have? Like if i have 5 cp i can refresh rupture slightly earlier than if i have 4. This is my understanding of it. Is that accurate?

[balmy condor]

To be fair, 5 min isn’t exactly 5 min, it’s 4-6 min

[brazen zodiac]

jesus christ with all that avoidance u avoidin the law

pog dagger

[whole mason]

yea, i know that

[balmy condor]

6 min is like 4:50-7:10 or whatever

That would be basically best case for sigil

[celest ruin]

i have like 17% avoidance if i enchant my cape

[whole mason]

but it would be always at least two uses of cache against sometimes two uses of sigil

[brazen zodiac]

i have 2% 😎

[balmy condor]

Yeah but 5 min would be almost 50% 2 use and 50% 1 use

Seems pretty good to me

[balmy condor]

Yes

[tacit pebble]

how could i sim a pair of 262 crafted boots w the dumb 41 agi proc thing

[kindred rapids]

Almost all weakauras assume you're at 5 cps so you if you rely on them you can end up not getting pandemic when you cast on 4cp

[whole mason]

now waiting for the bug fix and unleash my sin power!

[balmy condor]

The dumb 41 agi proc thing is worthless can just ignore it

[bleak sky]

avoidance is bis on crafted gear

fuck the agi

[tacit pebble]

im gettin 262 crafted boots anyway, figured i may as well check to see if it was worth finding someone to craft a pair with that on over increased flask length lol

[whole mason]

adjust your gamma and you will find the 41 proc actually starting with a directional flash.

[balmy condor]

Yeh if anything just grab avoidance

[ebon notch]

leeching poison bis?

[bleak sky]

rank 1 healing parse

get IQD to heal

[limber lion]

Technically Cache is oversimming currently because of some apl modifications some DK theorycrafters added for the entire module

Sigil/IQD still probably bis

[balmy condor]

[whole mason]

ok, now im interested about what modification

[limber lion]

Also just changing it to "sword" in the apl isn't enough, you have to remake the entire line for it to make sense.

Or well, it probably works in some ways, but definitely not what you'd want it to do

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/cb0d8928f5f27d0e2a18e701f702d679449abfd6

This change causes the Axe to proc more often than actually possible.

Koji sent em a message and asked them to revert it or make it class-specific.

[mortal pike]

with all these scrumptious apl improvements I broke 16k sim

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[whole mason]

hmm, background action? what?

[vast loom]

does our 4p make the necro bleed go faster?

[limber lion]

Yes

[vast loom]

but does it snapshot?

[limber lion]

Don't worry about it. Should get reverted soon enough.

[vast loom]

it lasts forever right

[limber lion]

Yes

[vast loom]

oh

[limber lion]

Yes, but the 4p effect drops when Vendetta ends

The snapshot is permanent, until you reapply SBS again

which you want to do

[whole mason]

well, im not worrying, it juset opened another door called background action... any examples?

[limber lion]

because you don't want to sit at 5 charges permanently

just to get 20% more haste on SBS or whatever

[vast loom]

yeah okok

i just dont play necro much and was leveling it up

[balmy condor]

This is literally the inner core code of simulationcraft

It’s not a Death Knight specific thing

It’s not apl

It’s not cache

It’s a change to the fundamental engine of simulationcraft that they fixed for some unrelated issue

And it had a side effect where some interaction of cache happened to fall into that referenced code block

[whole mason]

Thanks for the explanation.

[hollow river]

Bout to open this vault and it’s going to be BIG juice

[worldly sail]

how many flag stacks should i be aiming to get? sometimes i get only like 25 and it feelsbadman

is it possible to get like 28-29 every time?

[hollow river]

It was not big juice :/

[balmy condor]

There’s no rule for that

Get luckier mutilate crits

[worldly sail]

so just take whatever i get then

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean you can get really unlucky and never crit a mut in those 12 seconds, or get really lucky and crit every mut

And it would be like 10-15 stacks more

Completely out of your control

[worldly sail]

didnt try sin since 9.0 so too used to having high flag stacks as sub

[balmy condor]

Does that actually impact anything

I can’t tell a difference between 25 and 30 stacks

[worldly sail]

25 makes my weakaura write 25 and 30 makes my weakaura write 30

[kindred rapids]

can tell when you have to hold vendetta longer for flag

[slow marsh]

🧢

[balmy condor]

cope

[hollow river]

Guys I’m in on pantheon farm for the first time today

Do I go sin or stay sub

[olive moth]

If it's farm who cares

[hollow river]

It was more of just a conversational question than a matter of fact question

[mortal pike]

sin ofc

[simple wadi]

Sub in p3 is sooooooo easy

[hollow river]

Kinda boring though isn’t it?

[simple wadi]

Yes but big dam

So boring in one way but not another

[hollow river]

We’ll see

I’m probably going to end up eviscerating the entire time anyway to equalize hp

[kindred heron]

in the APL if you're not NF, it looks like shiv is just getting slammed on CD (as long as dots are up)

It wont hold to sync with vendetta/flag/mfd like Cev notes in the pins

do we actually need to sync? or does it not really matter

[gloomy epoch]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[limber lion]

Oh yeah, I forgot to edit the pin.

Yeah, you want to send Shiv on cd, only syncing Vend/Flag together everytime.

Shiv lines up pretty well for every other Vend/Flag combo

[kindred heron]

awesome, thx

[hexed root]

wtb uncapped valor https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/71KHZUUxt2MXQTRMbzkCF8

[regal hamlet]

Havent played much this expansion, do people prefer necro or venthyr for m+ generally?

[strange python]

Necros prob better, but if you're doing keys as not-sub then you're already playing for preference

[orchid hollow]

on 2 targets should i prioritize keeping up rupture on both or crimson tempest

[pure moth]

Rupture

[vast loom]

CT is going to fall off eventually its just how it is

[orchid hollow]

im finding that garrote and rupture fall off a secondary target occasionally as well. Is that expected or am i mismanaging timers

[vast loom]

garrote without subt is only 100% uptime on 2 with like a little bit of a 3rd

[fleet anchor]

Well, it's actually more that the original change to the core was added due to my testing/findings about Cache. Since Cache is one of the few trinkets where it actually matters since it's not RPPM, and not flagged to proc from procs.

So when it was disabled it reverted back to the previous behavior

So that code actually was specifically put in to fix Cache sims some weeks ago

Unfortunately, there's a bunch of DK spell data that isn't set up correctly and uses server magic and the logic was negatively impacting them

So it's temporarily reverted until it can get fixed. Hopefully soon.

[balmy condor]

it's even worse than I thought

[fleet anchor]

SimC had actually never done the "cannot proc from procs" case before

Because it both didn't really matter because of either ICDs or RPPM

Or because almost everything was flagged to proc from procs

But this recent round of 9.2 spell data has a number of things that don't

It's brought up a bunch of funny cases

[obtuse robin]

so how much dps is cache capping atm

[fleet anchor]

The main factor for Assassination is that it causes the bleed to refresh from Deadly Poison direct hits

When in-game it doesn't since they are considered procs

[obtuse robin]

oh no

[fleet anchor]

Realistically I'd say it's an oversight on the part of the item designer because this probably should proc from procs

[obtuse robin]

i gave up a 278 sack today cuz my 265 chache was still stronger

[fleet anchor]

A lot of things in-game are considered "procs" that one might not think

For example

This design decision with Cache causes Blade Dance for Havoc not to proc Cache

Since technically Blade Dance hits are "procs"

Either way Cache is good

It's not as good as it looks right now

But it's still like.. top 3 anyway? So I wouldn't sweat it

Also I'd say in ST probably the impact isn't that major. Since Envenom and Mutilate do put it up. And Mutilate can even double extend it. Not like it crushes the value to fix the issue, but the difference was enough to nudge it up.

I might put in a temporary hack fix tonight and manually flag Deadly Poison as proc = true

Not gonna flag everything (e.g. same thing applies from stuff like chest enchant, oils, etc.) but that would be the main thing for us

(or maybe I'll find some way to hack Cache specifically for the moment)

(Since DKs don't care about it since it's not Str)

[slow marsh]

but when you say it's not major

like how much tho

cuz cache beats sigil by 70 dps for me

[oak sky]

isnt that with the current bugged shit

[kindred heron]

Ya it will prob be equivalent / sigil pulls ahead

Rn droptimizer is showing a mythic cache +223 from my heroic one, but i think in reality its supposed to be closer to +100~?

[slow marsh]

that's why im asking. sometimes this stuff is like 20 dps and nbd but others it's like 50+ but still considered "nothing major"

[polar timber]

so the shiv bug is still in the game probably right

[limber lion]

Ya

[polar timber]

seems so niche i doubt they fix

[oak sky]

think he said it falls down a good bit but is still top 3

so i would assume competitive but maybe a touch worse than sigil

[wide ridge]

did yall go necro or venth for M xymox?

[mortal pike]

venth

imo

be the boss damage pumper your guild deserves

[wide ridge]

starting prog there

kinda

[glass tulip]

any way to sim boe capes?

[timber gale]

i'm listening

(that's not a threat i just happened to tab in)

[mystic fractal]

how gimped is venthyr on lords?

[hollow river]

it's not at all

[mystic fractal]

ok word

i am not comf with sbs yet

[brazen zodiac]

ehh

[fleet anchor]

Haha, sorry no shade was just an observation. Since it the DoT doesn't have the Can Proc From Procs (122) flag, there's a bunch of things that don't proc it that are normal class mechanics. A lot of class mechanics that are secondary triggers have the Not a Proc (105) flag (like Mutilate for Rogue) but this is pretty inconsistent across classes. Blade Dance for Havoc, for example, doesn't. So it's treated like a "Proc" for the purposes of other procs afaik. Same for things like Deadly Poison instant damage for Assassination. This is also why some mechanics like Mnemonic Equipment for Necrolord has lower value than it seems like it should. Really just a quirk of how everything fits together I guess.

[timber gale]

totally makes sense, i think can/can't proc from procs is also sort of a newer thing to more broadly use

(you may remember early sub tier bugs where either it wouldn't proc akaaris, or would infinitely)

[fleet anchor]

Probably some class abilities like Blade Dance could be cleaned up to have Not a Proc, but I think there's a lot kicking around from the Legion era spell data when a lot of spells were turned into animated sub-spells

With multiple impact spell triggers

[timber gale]

there's also, frankly, so many times you ask 'why is something a proc or not a proc' and the answer is something much deeper and weirder

[fleet anchor]

Mutilate has the advantage of being roughly 2 billion years old

And probably needed the flags to proc poisons correctly haha

And yeah, I'm sure that's the case. Procs have so many onion layers I'm sure it's really difficult to even debug at times

(I'm sure you got a whirlwind tour having to deal with all the Sub/Outlaw set bonus interactions this tier)

[timber gale]

[fleet anchor]

It's also a mix of things where it matters sometimes but not others. Like an RPPM trinket unless the rate is REALLY high, probably doesn't matter if it's proc from proc or not. Might matter for some 20 RPPM thing like Fusion Amp but not for the average effect.

Even for Rogues there's a bunch of oddities with proc rules, like one we put in a bug tracker for some time about about how Rupture and Garrote casts don't trigger Deadly Poison but they do trigger Wound and Instant Poison. Who even knows. 😄

I just do my best to try to reverse engineer it!

[timber gale]

(btw no shade/offense taken, a few i didn't do the implementation for so i learned something)

[fleet anchor]

All good! I'm sure in particular for unique effects, it's kinda just trial and error with all the options you guys have to author and approach spell data.

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt on this type of stuff. Many many xpacs of stuff built on top of other stuff. 😄

[oak sky]

I HAD R1 XYMOX AND I DCED DURING THE PULL HSILDFAs jdsajdalk jdal

[timber gale]

dsjaldk noooooo

[oak sky]

i had a chance anyway

i was like 14.5k with sigil not used

10% hp left

last vendetta coming off cd

[brazen zodiac]

i had r1 skolex but trapdataxe decided to wipe us at 10%

[wide ridge]

my vendetta+flag combo is coming back when xymox is at ~77%, do i burst on an add or save it to use on xymox after the immune ends?

[brazen zodiac]

suffer with me

iowrjwknrwemr

[wide ridge]

can someone enlighten me

[oak sky]

i would go add

[wide ridge]

word 🤝

[ebon notch]

you send it on the first acolyte that spawns

send it asap with tricks up

so that you dont get smacked and get as much cdr from it as possible

[wide ridge]

i tried doing that, but our hunters are fucking melting them

vendetta had 10 seconds left when the acolyte died

still think it's worth it?

[ebon notch]

is this on heroic?

[oak sky]

why did i copy paste this code from garrote and change everything that said garrote to rupture and now it doesnt work

[bleak sky]

we did it

nerfs really hit huh

[strange python]

I hate lords so much

[slow marsh]

get fucked

[oak sky]

dude this fucking plater script

i hate coding

i hate coding

i hate coding

[slow marsh]

i have rank 14 halondrus

i'm washed

[strange python]

As sin?

[slow marsh]

yes

[bleak sky]

don't be a lil bitch

[slow marsh]

choosing legion timewalking week to be the week i shit on sin and be an emo boi and almost quit was indeed not the play

[oak sky]

bro i stg

[strange python]

It's okay I have rank Gkicked on Lords

[oak sky]

this stupid

rupture script

will not

update

with vendetta

[strange python]

45 pulls into lords and the 21 long week trial has come to an end.

[slow marsh]

that's because you have a mod overwriting it

noob

[oak sky]

what does that mean

[slow marsh]

go to plater options -> modding

[oak sky]

ok

i dont really see anything to do with rupture

[slow marsh]

because it's hidden

and i dont remember which of them it is

cuz i turned it off iirc

[oak sky]

bro what

when i copy pasted the code from garrote

[slow marsh]

oh just kidding it might be under scripting

idk

iirc one of those things taking priority and it messing it up

[oak sky]

i already had a rupture one

but

the way it was coded

it doesnt change based on rupture duration

oh wait

i think that fucks with the cp

[bleak sky]

now I get to sit anduin

[oak sky]

pain pain pain pain

[bleak sky]

not progging that

CHILLIN

[slow marsh]

sam pog

[bleak sky]

BING CHILLIN

[oak sky]

i think i got it back to where it was

but

now the issue is

i still want it to update in vendetta

[slow marsh]

are you actually wanting to figure it out yourself or why don't you just copy paste cev's new plater

[oak sky]

oh

i dont use his full plater

i just need the script

[strange python]

I don't wanna guild hunt during proggggg

Fuck

[oak sky]

im tilted

just died on sausage

showed the debuff fully gone

??????????????????

[ebon notch]

Bro I got yelled at today

Cause I changed from being downstairs to upstairs in p2

And I CT'd the adds when I wasn't supposed to

And it fucked up like 2-3 pulls

So I got a whole days wipes worth of salt thrown at me

Linking me details going through logs etc.

Nevermind the fact that I've changed role 3 times so far to make shit easier

Hate this boss

[bleak sky]

shit guild leave them

[oak sky]

i actually need to fix rupture bro

its fucking me up

[bleak sky]

spoke too soon

I'm now

[oak sky]

why cant they just have a ui that lets you make plater do what you want

is there like a thing you can do

where if vendetta is on the target

the glow timer changes

[bleak sky]

didn't die to the first set of purple/yellow circles

[oak sky]

oh this is great now it broke

[fleet anchor]

Anduin feels

😄

Blessing in disguise probably. I'm not really a massive fan of that fight.

[bleak sky]

I'm in unfortunately koji

[oak sky]

i need mental help (plater help)

my scripts just broke

they didnt used to be broken

[bleak sky]

just reinstall this shit

or get it from a backupp

[oak sky]

i did reinstall them

dont have a backup

playing without pandemic timers is really cringe

they literally just broke what the fuck

i swear its the plater update

[bleak sky]

bro just use your eyes wtf

[oak sky]

i have 4 and that isnt enough

also

its like

lingering

so i cant tell when they expire unless i look at the boss framem

[ebon notch]

Do not blink or door of shadows

Ever

[bleak sky]

I was bing chillin

[ebon notch]

With the blasphemy

[bleak sky]

and then "actually minal can you come in"

[ebon notch]

That's when you tell them you started a league game

[bleak sky]

BRUH

insta gkick

[ebon notch]

What

You're benched lmao

Tell them to fuck off

I was 2 feet away from entering cos when they called me in

[strange python]

This happened to me. I got all the built up shit for everyone else's failures for missing one mote on anduin p3 when I thought the tank had it.

Are we gkick gamers tonight?

I failed my trial. Who else

[ebon notch]

You actually failed your trial?

[strange python]

100%

They haven't said anything yet

But I was pre-tilted going into raid because I'm not happy here, so I ate 60 slimes on 40 pulls.

And it was obvious the fail is inc

[glass tulip]

stabs no

60 slimes on lords?

[ebon notch]

1 day isn't usually enough to fail a trial unless they pre-dislike you

Keep your chin up

[glass tulip]

we took 12 pulls to rekill panth, again

that boss is our kryptonite/ good thing it wont get killed again til CE

[strange python]

They hate me lmao

[oak sky]

ur extending already when you started late

?

what is your gm a psycho

[glass tulip]

our average raid ilvl is 274

[oak sky]

halondrus isnt that bad anymore

[glass tulip]

why not

if we have the damage to kill the bosses shouldnt we go for it

[glass tulip]

but to answer your question... yes

[ebon notch]

What you do

[strange python]

Was too self deprecating during farm which turned into too many people not getting the jokes, microscope on me for the second i fuck up for real

[ebon notch]

Ah

It is how it is sometimes

[wild beacon]

/gquit find new guild, why stay somewhere you don't like?

[glass tulip]

good rank outweighs fun for some people

[strange python]

Prog is fun. Going backwards in prog not fun

[glossy tulip]

Going backwards with a group you fit with better though is more fun for the brain

[bleak sky]

and also now that you gquit is probably gonna be hard to find a hof guild

[junior rampart]

Hello, Chains of domination trinket from Jailer any good for sin?

[strange python]

Rogue spots are also not common

Meh. Better for sub.

Sim it though

[junior rampart]

Thank you, sir. I will sim it.

[timber fable]

any guides for strictly mythic+ sin stuff? been using the icy veins mythic section, wanted to know if there's more updated stuff anywhere

[white gull]

do u guys know how reliable iqd simcs are? Is it good even though it sims high or would u pick another thrinket?

[bleak sky]

you need to know how the fight plays out kinda

sims show you by default only good uses

if you know you can get x good uses, take it, sure

[meager whale]

Use wowhead

[glass tulip]

I doubt very much sin stuff is in there, but JPC's discord is a good place for M+ too

[velvet bridge]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[obtuse robin]

any updates on cache sim is it fixed yet?

[velvet bridge]

Whats wrong with the cache sim?

[obtuse robin]

its over simming

[velvet bridge]

ahh, was wonder why it simmed higher than first sigil

[gusty adder]

What is recommended for panth progress ? I see exactly 50% using zold and 50% using duskwalker on warcraftlogs

[obtuse robin]

ur progging

so not zold

[timid cloud]

I played Sub on our reclear….

[frosty cedar]

get him out of here

[timid cloud]

First time doing Panth. I had to…

[lunar otter]

hey guys how do i add a timer to my CT weakaura

[glass tulip]

add text

:)

[lunar otter]

mm wheres that

oh ye

[glass tulip]

open WAs -> select WA -> display -> scroll to bottom

display text %p

[lunar otter]

damn not workin 😦

[glass tulip]

could be overrode by another addon like elvui or something

[lunar otter]

nah dont use it

[glass tulip]

you are now out of my expertise, a smarter rogue is required

[lunar otter]

nah i think im workin it out

it to do with trigers etc

[bleak sky]

did you save the %p before closing the wa editor?

[glass tulip]

oh yeah make sure oyu hit okay

I forget that all the time

[lunar otter]

@bleak sky mm i pressed enter lol

[bleak sky]

[lunar otter]

all i need is a simple icon with a timer that counts down it timer lol why isnt it workin fek sakeee 😦

[patent quartz]

feels scuffed using 2 on uses trinkets

[timid cloud]

[lunar otter]

i nailed it @bleak sky @glass tulip

[bleak sky]

Gz gz gz

[lunar otter]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-clap-clapping-applause-gif-10184275

[hollow escarp]

I'll take it I guess

[lunar otter]

damn im simin 15.2 i think 😦

252 helm is ass

[timid cloud]

I got those haste mastery pants from DOS…& the helm from Tazavesh the crit haste one…idk which one to catalyst…

Cause like…that helm is so good.

[bleak sky]

sim it

[hollow escarp]

the catalyst caps at 4 right?

I might start using it even if it's only for 30 dps upgrades

[timid cloud]

I don’t think it has a cap.

If it does then oh no….

[hollow escarp]

doesn't matter though

you'll probably never need 4 charges at all on your main

well, maybe once you get 285 gear

[timid cloud]

I’ll need it for mog.

[hollow escarp]

that's what the 27 alts are for

[timid cloud]

True.

[hollow escarp]

I kinda want a good chest to catalyst

[timid cloud]

Just simply kill M VG

I had that same chest, actually got bamboozled.

Any heroic full clears no looters in the chat?

[hollow escarp]

hmm, I haven't been in on VG since first kill

[bleak sky]

me

[timid cloud]

Too many PPS tokens.

[bleak sky]

my mage desperately needs a staff from halondrus

[timid cloud]

Pain…

Playing Sin with Cache feels so cringe on my other Rogue.

I hate playing cache on it.

[hollow escarp]

why?

[timid cloud]

[hollow escarp]

you just press axe

[timid cloud]

Uhhh just too used to Sigil.

[hollow escarp]

yeah, burst is bigger with sigil

[steel ridge]

grudge match bug still there?

[hollow escarp]

yep

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

[steel ridge]

well, then its sub for me tonight i guess

[timid cloud]

It’s all my fault…

[steel ridge]

😦

[glass tulip]

I reached the point where top gear gems mastery

[timid cloud]

Do you have 2 Sins in the raid?

I gotta check mine today.

[steel ridge]

we have another rogue that is mainly assa yes

[timid cloud]

I haven’t resimmed.

Also RIP…

Just play…OUTLUL

[steel ridge]

and since i am already playing sub for xymox its not that bad

so i am gifting my fellow rogue what... like 1500 dps?

if he loses all his grudge matches because of me

[hollow escarp]

either way, it's raid dps loss to play 2 assa rogues

[steel ridge]

yeah thats for sure

[bleak sky]

raid dps loss to play 2 rogues

[steel ridge]

LOL

[hollow escarp]

[timid cloud]

LOL

[bleak sky]

why rogue when you could have a warlock

or mage

[timid cloud]

Because reasons.

[hollow escarp]

warlock doesn't function without PI

[bleak sky]

it's just pi

[hollow escarp]

that's their words, not mine

[steel ridge]

i actually got PI on Lihivum Progress on sunday

[timid cloud]

Just Simply be the only warlock that gets PI.

[steel ridge]

for the First Adds

[timid cloud]

I get it on the adds on Sin.

[bleak sky]

warlocks are very interesting people

[steel ridge]

cause nightfae assa fucking SLAMS that add

[hollow escarp]

first schematic?

[timid cloud]

I played Sub today, I said GET THIS BETA SHIT OFF ME, NATTY PARSING ONLY

[steel ridge]

yes the synthesize thingy that has to die in like 10 seconds

[hollow escarp]

that add is the reason I hate Lihuvim

[timid cloud]

I might just play Sin tomorrow for Lihuvim though.

[hollow escarp]

I don't like the idea of 30 sec of damage wasted

[timid cloud]

Just to get it over with.

Yeah. Kill the add or we wipe.

Pain…

[steel ridge]

nf assa delivers massive damage in a 5 second window 😄

[hollow escarp]

yeah, probably better than venthyr now, since you might kill the add before getting enough flag stacks

[steel ridge]

everytime that add spawns i shoot from tank damage to #1

[hollow escarp]

on prog I sometimes only got 25 stacks

because others did a bit more damage

[steel ridge]

yeah and soulshape is cool to move around for lihuvim

[hollow escarp]

I really want to know if outlaw can get blind below 1 min cd on Lihuvim

[steel ridge]

blind?!

[hollow escarp]

cc on mobs

[steel ridge]

you mean with shadowdust legy?

[hollow escarp]

[steel ridge]

outlaw can talent into 90 second blind anyway and 20 seconds off with vanish is already 70 seconds, should be easy

but i wouldnt wanna wander around cc those fucking adds, what are ranges there for anyway

[hollow escarp]

damage

[steel ridge]

as soon as it gets into your range, its in range for stupid cleave damage

[north current]

if in me party i got sub rogue but i play assasination rogue. Sub will get grudge matches from assassination rogue?

[steel ridge]

no nothing will happen

[north current]

it only wokring if in pp are 2 assassination rogues?

dat bug

?

[solid venture]

[steel ridge]

yes

[north current]

th

ty

[solid venture]

Sub doesn't use shiv in its rotation anyway

[steel ridge]

the current workaround for that bug is to not have 2 assassination rogues in a group/raid

which is hilarious

[vestal wren]

you only use shiv to remove enrage effects on sub

[wispy plaza]

why is Cache of Acquired Treasures suddenly simming as our bis what changed or what is the new tech to make this a thing or is it sim bait ?

[thin imp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[oak sky]

think its oversimming, but it should still perform about as well as sigil

[vestal wren]

its not oversimming, also its equal to sigil in my sims

[wispy plaza]

Are we aiming for sword or axe buff ?

[vestal wren]

but might depend on your stats as it works well with haste

we use axe always

sword could be interessting if it lines up well

[gusty adder]

Not sure I understand why Zold is worse for prog than duskwalker tho - If it's overall better / makes p3 easier etc?

[bleak sky]

p1/p2 got buffed, p3 got nerfed

p3 should melt

[gusty adder]

True. Necro still prefered over vent then?

[bleak sky]

yes

[strange silo]

might be a dumb question but how does theotar with haste tea(haste is my best) sim 250 worse then nadja?
i know theotar isnt that far ahead and stuff but still kinda confusing

[solid venture]

Show sim

[strange silo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wJGgyCP25mt9KPVuG2FEi7

[vestal wren]

would see it as somehting positive

given that you don't need to worry about tea buffs

[hollow escarp]

or soothing shade

[solid venture]

Yea can't see anything wrong with that sim at first sight

[strange silo]

yea i mean i like it but still its weird that out of nowhere theotar sims that worse xd

[solid venture]

Strange, it's usually other way around for me

[strange silo]

same it was the last weeks for me too

[solid venture]

Maybe try a sim without gems etc

Just to see what it does then

[strange silo]

oh nono now theo sims 150 dps higher :c

[solid venture]

[strange silo]

i guess the gems fcked smth up then

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i81wPdFPbPN2xFEnEEWRsz

nadja sims quite a bit lower

[strange silo]

damn 😄 oh wait vers gems thats cursed xd

[solid venture]

Probably better off going nadjia 3p anyway

More consistency

Feels bad when umbrella procs during any movement

[vestal wren]

nadja 3p is also in the picture/sim ^^

[strange silo]

ceverion told me some days ago if u dont have around 80 or 90% shade uptime its sims worse then nadja thats insane i think i never had that much uptime on this stupid umbrella

[solid venture]

I only use Theo on skolex

[strange silo]

na not even on skolex it fcked me sometimes with the blood on the ground :d

[vestal wren]

cache does seem to marginally sim higher on venthyr

did re-run with 100k iterations

[solid venture]

[vestal wren]

but its very close, so i guess it depends on the encounter

also... cache is a bit worse to use

[solid venture]

Hard to line it up usually

[strange silo]

cache is just like iqd it never does what u want

[solid venture]

Like lihuvim adds.. You have to use cache on pull if you want to pad axe bleeds on small adds after the second big boy

[vestal wren]

you can use a weakaura for it, i have one linked in #subtlety-faq

but seems like its only venthyr where cache wins

[north current]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

what means sin is ~150 dps ahead of sub

in sim dps, tho i will re-run gear sims combinations again for venthyr to see if there is a marginal gain

[timid cloud]

Fuu wants Sub to outsim Sin SO badly.

[vestal wren]

i don't

i just want to keep my spreadsheet up to date

and the main change was that koji updated some sim logic for cache

[timid cloud]

Is that what’s making it sim higher now?

[vestal wren]

yes

[timid cloud]

Very strange.

[vestal wren]

but it shouldn't rly affect single target

what is why i am surprised

[timid cloud]

Go ahead & fix it so I don’t have to play Cache.

[vestal wren]

neverless, cache sims higher now by a tiny bit

nonono, there is nothing to fix

koji did fix something in core simc that was related to cache

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

I remember koji was saying some stuff wasnt behaving exactly right

[timid cloud]

Here you go…

Make it disappear for me.

[vestal wren]

thats why it sims a bit higher, but it was iirc more relevant for aoe

what means its interessting to see it sim higher on st

unexpected

[timid cloud]

I thought it was okayish for LOD.

It’s just if you don’t high roll it, it just blows.

No axe in swarm, just jump off.

Or same for Anduin.

[oak sky]

Cache is good aoe for sure

I wish eb was our aoe trinket though i fw it

[vestal wren]

i mean cache is without a doubt one of the best aoe trinkets

for rogue in general

[hollow dirge]

Yeah, that trink can get annoying like that. Interesting idea, but ends up being annoying more than interesting when you want to min max

[vestal wren]

the interessting part rly is the use on pure st

okay... thats not rly a diffrence in gear

but well, lets see

[whole mason]

Great, a new night, first thing first, is shiv bug fixed?

[vestal wren]

i don't think so

but not sure, would need to test it i guess

well, venthyr stays on ~17.25k, so guess thats good enough
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/amcC7Re6S82ZUQnoRZqeQJ

[subtle tundra]

Every time I say assa is better than sub my guildies laugh at me

[echo geyser]

I knew this would happen eventually

[ebon thorn]

even month?

[vestal wren]

i mean, is it better?

it seems to me that both are similar in output.
Sin has 1 fight its def. better with lords tho
But sub has double step

[ebon thorn]

wouldnt you say that assa is more... consistent

[vestal wren]

haha

i mean just proc more

[ebon thorn]

yes that's what i mean

sub tier has 2 proc elements to it

[vestal wren]

but yes, it seems to peform rly well always, when you depend on procs on sub

[deft kayak]

!snapshot

[vestal wren]

but its no news sadly, we did try to convince the dev to change it

!snap

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Flagellation, Euphoria), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[vestal wren]

i am still unsure how much will convert from sub to sin, maybe more in the long term

but sin is at least from the mainline content creators seen as weaker choice

[hollow escarp]

as long as both are "viable"

[vestal wren]

i mean both are viable for the entire patch

but the vibe in the channel was a lot of "sky is falling" up till recent

[hollow escarp]

assa raid, sub m+, outlaw pvp

yeah, people overreact to small changes like this

[subtle tundra]

Rygelon pog

[copper hazel]

i want to do this now, but the other rogue in my guild is a one trick sin and with the current bug on 2p i have to stick to sub. Even though sin sims like 200dps more for me right now

[vestal wren]

main argument for sin is the consistency i guess, and i can see it being the better progression spec

[ebon thorn]

think im gonna play sin on jailer

then again double step is kinda handy

[vestal wren]

ye, no reason to not experiment and see what works better

[glass tulip]

sin pvp got hit today

cut 4 set bonus in half

[vestal wren]

expected

[glass tulip]

still real fun to just nuke someone

[celest ruin]

finally got 3k as assa now i get +20 dps for my 278 conduits

[glass tulip]

[vestal wren]

gz gee

[turbid harbor]

sin definitely looks better on rygelon, which is one of the few very hard bosses left after these nerfs

[glass tulip]

putting the 278 item in was pretty satisfying ngl

[celest ruin]

yeah but i had to spend like 4k gold for nf necro and venth

[glass tulip]

are you hurting for gold that bad?

[oak sky]

Im still not 3k

[bleak sky]

yo same

[oak sky]

[glass tulip]

got mine just today too

had a fatty +74 IO upgrade off of timing my first tyrannical TOP

[bleak sky]

cba doing keys

but it's a good week so maybe?

[oak sky]

Im like 2800 rn

Just too lazy

I do 15s because theyre quicker

[bleak sky]

maybe I do demon sin keys

[glass tulip]

how is minalbafel lookin these days

[oak sky]

Minalbafel (rogue player)

[bleak sky]

Minalbafel is dead

heroic/normal boosting character

Minalbaint is looking juicy though fire sims like 2k lower than frost for some god forsaken reason

[glass tulip]

our mythic is being made private to stop the parse monkeys from holding cds for pad

[bleak sky]

lmao

parsing on prog

[glass tulip]

yeah

[bleak sky]

just kill the boss wtf

[glass tulip]

I'd rather parse lihuvim than have a jailer kill

type raiders

🙂

[oak sky]

Actually the saddest thing ong

[glass tulip]

crab ded last night? sheeesh

[oak sky]

Fire bus

[turbid harbor]

making logs private doesn't stop people from dps whoring

[oak sky]

Bis

[glass tulip]

log watching OP

[bleak sky]

fat 9 parse

[glass tulip]

hell yeah brother

[bleak sky]

hit balls

[glass tulip]

something seems wrong here 🤣

[oak sky]

Its ok minalba i suck at sub too

[glass tulip]

top half of dps on team

baically worst case scenario for class

[bleak sky]

on god I'm decent

[vestal wren]

poor sub :/

[bleak sky]

I need daggies to play sin and not touch sub again though

[glass tulip]

I got asked to loot vigilant in outlaw spec but then got sat anyway

forgot to swap loot spec back so had no chance at dagger on skolex

[oak sky]

I got some legs today

From trade

[bleak sky]

I think we perma extend now until CE

[oak sky]

(Not tier)

And i got my 3rd 278 dagger

[glass tulip]

mail one over please

[oak sky]

Our other rogue was out so i kept it for tmog

[glass tulip]

minalba we are 5/11 and also committed to extending

[subtle tundra]

That's cursed

Wtf

[oak sky]

Bro extending for lihuvim is super cursed im ngl

[glass tulip]

well we arent extending for that

[subtle tundra]

Just reclear dawg

And go straight to the boss you progress

[glass tulip]

we recleared today, basically no one needs loot but healers

[oak sky]

Reclear keeps your teams mental good until you hit a boss that actually giga sucks to reclear (pantheon)

[glass tulip]

did that exact thing

[oak sky]

Ong pantheon is a shittier fight every week

[glass tulip]

so now plan is to smack up lihuv and if we get more than 20 minutes of halondrus this week

its gg

[bleak sky]

reclear for fun

because killing bosses fast is funn

[glass tulip]

not a team value

fun is for nerds

official guild statement

[subtle tundra]

I accepted that I'll never get a good parse and don't care about it