assassination

[blazing pumice]

just play sub

[glass tulip]

Lower keys do feel pretty rough just because things die so quickly, but when you get into the 15-20 range it actually feels quite good

In raid it performs pretty well overall

[uneven summit]

Whats the ideal placement of unity atm?

[hollow river]

!unity

[prisma monolith]

All slots are close in output.
The best non tier slots across all specs are Belt or Wrists.
The best possible slot is likely Hands, Legs or Head.
Use a simulation to evaluate for your gear situation.

[hollow river]

depends a lot on how much tier you have, and what ilvl your tier pieces are

[uneven summit]

yeah true, i mean i simmed the various spots with catalyst items, cuz i can change around and legs were the most gain like 160 DPS so im just figuring if it´s worth or if i should wait for a new mythic piece

[woeful socket]

Is there something that talks about how to use MA windows? Trying out sin for the first time

[blazing pumice]

pin

[balmy condor]

Or faq

That’s updated

[gusty mirage]

go to sleep

[balmy condor]

What’s that

[gusty mirage]

idk its 6am and I'm still awake

[balmy condor]

Nice

My alarm is set for 8

It’s 3

Good times

[timid cloud]

I’m 80 keys deep in the trenches right now.

[woeful socket]

oh wow there is a bunch of new info ty. Been reading it the last few days and didn't realize it just got updated

[gusty mirage]

why

Legion TW was last week bro

go to sleep

[timid cloud]

Because I love this game.

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jordan-stop-it-get-some-help-gif-10812582

[timid cloud]

Besides….

||I got the rings on both Rogues within 10 COS’s between them both.||

[zinc frost]

That’s illegal

[gusty mirage]

the more illegal thing is having rogue alts

as if the pain of maining one rogue isn't enough

[timid cloud]

I lOvE THIs ClaSss

[worldly sail]

i was actually wondering yesterday why it says night fae, guess it was outdated

[hollow river]

We can’t be friends anymore

[timid cloud]

“Everyone disliked that.”

[balmy condor]

Updated yep

[vestal wren]

well gz

[worldly sail]

i saw the ring once and could have asked for it but i wasn't planning on playing sin at the time

[vestal wren]

well unlucky

the ring could make sense for venthyr sub too

if you focus on st damage

(e.g. if you want to change a gear piece to have higher damage on tyranical on the boss)

[timid cloud]

Now we play Outlaw.

(For legal purposes I must clarify this is a joke.)

[vestal wren]

we play what we like, because the patch will last for quite a while now

[strange python]

Idk what I like no more

[spice spire]

(I’m suing for libel)

[crystal glen]

Did the assasination faq change ? I was sure it Said Night fae yesteday xD

[zinc frost]

It definitely has, Whispyr has been hard at work

[crystal glen]

Ahh ok ^^

Would you play venthyr for Lords as Well? And just rupture the other target before doing the vendetta sequence ?

[glass tulip]

Ideally, Necro with zoldyck

Comes out to higher throughput than having super duper awkward duskwalker vendetta timings

[real bay]

most still play dusk, not that weird timings imo

[glass tulip]

I hate it

It's extremely difficult to get a usage perfectly between damage amp phases and be able to use full cooldowns during them

I think "most still play dusk" is a result of laziness and not necessarily needing to go change. Definitely not optimal option

[strange python]

Hate it too

[real bay]

dont think its just laziness, most M lords logs use dusk, theres obv some zoldycks but theyre so close does it even matter

[limber lion]

Duskwalkers is a terrible choice in comparison

You should 100% play Zoldyck

It's quite a ways ahead of Duskwalkers

Logs are not always the best thing to go off, especially when talking about a spec that has a fraction of the players playing it

[crystal glen]

Ah would have to craft yet another leggo then :/

[limber lion]

If it's only for that boss, you'll be fine without Zoldyck

[hollow escarp]

it also looks like it's one of the easiest end bosses

[limber lion]

Throughput is definitely a lot less, but it's a boss that dies within 10 pulls on Mythic regardless of gear

[oak sky]

Cant wait for it to go 40

[rotund oak]

The bleedtrackers 👌

[limber lion]

:)

[onyx rain]

i play sub mostly but getting sin ready, all the talk about sepsis in the FAQ but no top logs showing NF?

[rotund oak]

Venthyr

NF is for pvp mostly

[onyx rain]

23 flag window goal still?

[rotund oak]

somewhere between 23-27 if i can recall correctly

[vestal wren]

nf is still a good choice, it is a bit simpler

but venthyr is the best performer

[indigo mulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[rotund oak]

dont wanna flex or anything but when 9.2 went live,ive prophesized assa would win sub eventually to scalling 😄

[vestal wren]

idk if i would say it wins rly

both are within 100 dps

[rotund oak]

yup,i think that will open even more

[vestal wren]

but it was quite clear from the start up that the haste snapshot could lead to a very high power creep

[rotund oak]

yeah

[winter vapor]

going back a bit - thought we played Dusk on lords because of the vend syncing up to the burn phases?

[vestal wren]

tier sets did clearly get designed to make sin the most attractive choice, but sub still holds its place well

[indigo mulch]

sub is absolujtly insane in m+ though, since both preform similar i suspect most people will stick with sub.

[rotund oak]

Sub is BiS for m+

nothing comes close

[vestal wren]

i think sin was assumed to be worse

[indigo mulch]

I mean for raid

I'm talking sin vs sub in raid but sub has m+ to fall back to aswell.

[rotund oak]

u can always play both

[vestal wren]

mostly due to perception build by people

the catalyst give people the option to play it, and now it is as competitive as it is in sims for a while now

there are potentially other reasons you want to play sub (e.g. double step)

but having the choice between both is fine

[rotund oak]

i think ppl might stay on sub

just because its easier than venthyr assa

[vestal wren]

i am not sure

i think people read a lot into the wcl statistics

and sin is atm also due to not having public logs on certain fights quite high

[onyx rain]

logs are why im getting sin ready, seems to be pulling ahead in some of the mythic fights

idk if i want to abandon double step for desausage tho

[rotund oak]

u can have double gate

[vestal wren]

sausage is low enough in the tier to make it irrelevant

[onyx rain]

make what irrelevant? spec choice?

[rotund oak]

the excuse

''double step''

[vestal wren]

yes, you can pmuch play whatever on the lower fights

[onyx rain]

i mean, sin is 200 dps ahead on that fight

for prog its probably worth keeping double step

since we havent killed it yet

[rotund oak]

well as venthyr u got door of shadows

and u can specc into double door

so u got 2 doors 1 step 1 clos

can understand playing kyrian sub though,everything is jsut easier

u send on cd

no thinking

[onyx rain]

yeaaa kyrian lame af lol

[rotund oak]

wouldnt same lame,its just a huge mess of power

love it for pvp 100%

absolute monster

[brazen zodiac]

you think? with how fast everything seems to be moving, i feel s4 is around the corner

[rotund oak]

ye,should sleep comfy,dw,4 months up or down 😄

[limber lion]

It lines up with Zoldyck if you hold it for the fitst swarm

[brazen zodiac]

haha!

[limber lion]

Dusk is bad because of the inefficient vend casts in between

[winter vapor]

ahh thanks @limber lion Cev, yes that works

[vestal wren]

idk, i don't see a dragonflight release this year.
But i know some ppl say q4 2022

[rotund oak]

doubt

big doubt

[brazen zodiac]

haha. Nah I don't see it this year either but s4 feels like December maybe earlier

Would be cool tho I'm a lil bored of the lore so far cuz it makes no sense

[vestal wren]

idk but i can't rly get super excited about s4

i mean, for m+ it is the first time we will have the dragonflight concept a lot of people seem to be excited about

"all new dungeons for m+"

[brazen zodiac]

Its more just the thought that I can try something maybe new that's kinda fun but yeah idk how new everything gonna be

oh ye

im just hyped cuz dragons are cool

although im sure blizzard will find a way to make it not cool :(

[vestal wren]

i will probably do some statistics

and see if

old new dungeons rly make people excited about running m+ again

as if so, we should be able to observe a significant higher play rate of m+ in s4

[brazen zodiac]

i was pretty excited about legion cuz i didnt play in legion, so maybe its that factor of something being brand new that encourages people to try it

judging from legion, the other dungeons seem more interactive ig, or at least, the bosses had more going for em

[vestal wren]

i am not sure how i feel about wod dungeons

but i am for sure will try out the old new dungeons

[onyx rain]

summer 23 would line up with the closing of the microsoft acquisition

[vestal wren]

ye maybe

q1 2023 is earliest i assume

[onyx rain]

yea

[rotund oak]

my gut says end of february-until the 10th of march

also,the outlaw buff gonna hit about summer time

[strange silo]

Any venthyr sin tips for lihuvim mythic progress? :d

[sudden hound]

Nothing I can really think of. Depending on your raids dps split you may have to hold cds for the first add split. Otherwise smack the boss

[solid mica]

Put nitro boost on your belt

Also for your stack marker for the mythic mechanic you can set your teammate as a focus and focus step them making it a lot easier if you get pushed back

[strange silo]

got it buy nitro boost for belt 😛 and the focus step is a big brain move will do that 😄

[mystic fractal]

well gang, simming 1.5k more dps on assa now on raidbots, that feels insane, guess it's time to commit

[bleak sky]

Huge

[trim cairn]

Hugh

[mystic fractal]

correction, as one of my two remaining shriveled brain cells was clearly out to lunch -- it's ~100 dps off lol

wrong soulbind

[brazen zodiac]

no you

[small drift]

is nf assa rly a thing? seems like nobody is playing it?

for raid

[bleak sky]

Sure it's good

Venthyr can do more damage that's all

[small drift]

just abit confused bc faq says nf is bis for st with 4p but then the graphics suggests vent for st + looking at logs everyone is vent for st.

[trim cairn]

faq outdated

[kindred heron]

Its been updated recently, just that first part listing the covenant order was missed

just ignore the NF > venth on ST at the top

[trim cairn]

Why is pugging 20+ keys so hard jesus

Absolute state of the community rn

275 mage doing 10.6k overall dps saying everyone is trash and leaving after dying, getting CR, dying, getting CR and dying again idk

No idea how people get higher than 3k m+ score without at least a couple premades

[small drift]

alright i see ty guys

[bleak sky]

Good groups, bad groups

[old thistle]

I've had a dh using meta to win the duel at xav of top , he lost and got mad

[bleak sky]

The higher you go the better it gets

[trim cairn]

Ye but people get more unstable the higher you go ngl

[bleak sky]

Idk my experience was very good

Maybe season 3 has changed people

[small drift]

looking to try assa for raid since i got a 2nd 278 dagger and don't have mythic eon, do you think that can outperform sub with only hc eon?

[bleak sky]

What

[small drift]

😄

[bleak sky]

Is it another rogue playing sub with heroic eon or

[small drift]

was wondering if assa with 2x 278 daggers might be better than playing sub without mythic sylv daggers

[trim cairn]

I mean that sounds very plausible lol ngl

[bleak sky]

Outperforming something depends entirely on you

[trim cairn]

Sylv daggers is only thing sub got keeping them relevant

Without them you might aswell play outlaw xd

[ebon notch]

considering you would only be using one eon with double 278 then yeah

but its more of a skill problem than anything else

[trim cairn]

If you see on logs on ST sylv daggers are like 10% of damage sub does

Here is top dps on skolex mythic

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xQ8mHPrkp6gdCRNM#fight=21&type=damage-done&source=32

[ebon notch]

yes but mainstat and secondary stats add up which is why you use 1 in offhand

[trim cairn]

sub rogue

[ebon notch]

and then when the boss gets below 25% you swap

because below 25% eon gains value due to the execute mechanic

[trim cairn]

Pretty sure you dont get 51 procs on sylv daggers from 83 eviserates and 8 ruptures by not using it

until 25%

when bossfight is 4 minutes long

xd

[small drift]

y i'm playing sub with 278 mh 246 oh eon atm

[bleak sky]

you're missing the point

[trim cairn]

I'm not, the point is irrelevant since the guy was using it from start of pull

[ebon notch]

its not irrelevant just because he did it

you shouldnt do it

just because he did do it doesnt make it right

maybe he doesnt have a skolex/lihuvim mythic dagger and thats his only setup

[trim cairn]

He did do it and he outperformed everyone else without externals

[bleak sky]

maybe they won 4 set roulette and got rank 1

[trim cairn]

If a small change in secondary stats makes for 10% of your dps

[gusty mirage]

Okay wow you don’t have to put me on blast like that okay

[bleak sky]

guess what

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

i already did earlier

[bleak sky]

rng kinda matters right now

[gusty mirage]

Wtf where

[ebon notch]

you know how the sub 4set works right

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

maybe it was someone else hold on

[bleak sky]

it's mainhand damage + stats

it's not a vacuum

[ebon notch]

and if something is less valuable for the first 75% of the fight and more valuable for the last 25% why wouldnt you do that

sure you arent going to see the damage like you do checking banshees blight but it doesnt change that fact

[gusty mirage]

Yeah but you smell like shit

[trim cairn]

Idk champ he did 244 casts total in 253 seconds (which includes 4 set)

[ebon notch]

[trim cairn]

That's 9 procs of the 4 set

[bleak sky]

I'll mail you glitter if you keep this up young man

[crystal glen]

The answer to which is best would still be sim both and it depends entirely on wether you are comfortable playing both specs no?

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

your point doesnt really add up

[gusty mirage]

Are you glitter? Are you going to mail yourself?

[trim cairn]

It does, I was told he won the RNG roulette

[ebon notch]

we can empirically prove that using 278 + mythic eon and then swapping at 25% does more damage

we told you it would weigh in on his ability to outdps others

[bleak sky]

"maybe they won 4 set roulette and got rank 1"

[ebon notch]

not that it was the sole reason

[bleak sky]

can you read a maybe

or does that word not exist in yurop

[ebon notch]

[trim cairn]

Lmao

If you need to put a maybe before your point

Maybe your point doesnt matter

[bleak sky]

also

regular shadowblades uptime trust

100% normal to have 71% uptime

[ebon notch]

ok you are absolutely fried

you can only focus on one logical point at a time or what

you realise that fights are not static and have multiple moving parts that ALL affect the outcome

and just because one point is presented it does not immediately invalidate or diminish the others?

[bleak sky]

maybe the pugs in your 20s are not the problem

[trim cairn]

Ok so here is the point I made

Without sylv daggers swapping in

[ebon notch]

which is wrong

sub is not being "kept relevant" by EON

[trim cairn]

Ok

[ebon notch]

sub has so many things going for it as a spec to claim one item is doing it is so completely asinine

that it would require aura buffs in order to even be treated as a playable spec

[trim cairn]

xd in the context

of this guy asking

If he should swap assa for raid

[ebon notch]

the correct answer is "whichever you perform best on"

[viscid spear]

I haven't played in like a week

[bleak sky]

the answer to "can I outperform sub as sin" is

yes if you can play sin good

[ebon notch]

since sub and assa are exceedingly equal right now

[viscid spear]

[trim cairn]

Yes

Exceedingly equal

Thanks to sylv daggers

[ebon notch]

so you think that a sub rogue using double 278 daggers is unable to compete with an assa rogue?

[trim cairn]

I think a double 278 dagger assa would beat a 278 sub rogue given equal circumstance

[ebon notch]

its just such a weird take

[trim cairn]

That's just cuz you read it so literally

[ebon notch]

first of all why would you even make the point

[trim cairn]

Cuz I'm fucking talking smack?

[ebon notch]

if your point cannot be taken literally maybe it shouldnt be made at all?

[ebon notch]

???

[trim cairn]

Is this the part where I call you fried

[ebon notch]

it is if you feel like it

[trim cairn]

And that you can't juggle more than black and white?

[ebon notch]

doesnt change a single thing

[trim cairn]

Ok bro

xd

[ebon notch]

👍

see you next week

[trim cairn]

Idk bout that fam

[bleak sky]

nice damage?

idk

[ebon notch]

still lower than sub damage

guess assa is completely not viable

ever

[trim cairn]

It's not in m+

[ebon notch]

did you remember to equip your edge of night?

[trim cairn]

Been saying that for ages

I just enjoy playing a dead spec

[crystal glen]

pugging this week is so toxic - people will boast with their damage but not touch a single explosive over an entire key because "Healer problem"

[trim cairn]

Just get the wa that counts it and flame low performers after

[bleak sky]

ye, flame people, be part of the problem

[ebon notch]

if he makes them quit then they arent there anymore to not do explosives?

use your brain bro

smh

[trim cairn]

You need to chill with the circlejerk here lol

[ebon notch]

tbf depending on healer/tank comp it should be vastly on them to do the explosives

example being a resto sham/guardian druid set up

[solid venture]

i just watched ksp do a +26 mists and he hit literally 0 explosives. healer job

[ebon notch]

both very equipped to deal with the vast majority of explosives that pop up in a pack

if you're running with a blood dk for example who is almost fully self-sufficient then you can also just solo explosives as a healer

[trim cairn]

I mean I learn from you ngl

[bleak sky]

[trim cairn]

I came here as a scrub and watched the best rogues here go batshit over every small thing xd

So now when I whisper a tank on rygelon to tank it close to the unstable matter for cleave I get replies like "stop being such a rogue"

So the community has set a good precedent I think

xd

[ebon notch]

when your perspective is so warped

you will view everything else being warped

it just is how it is

[trim cairn]

Very deep

Much wow

[ebon notch]

i mean

take it literally

[trim cairn]

I literally won't

[ebon notch]

then continue to have fun here

[trim cairn]

Am I not

xd

[ebon notch]

@bleak sky you tried running iqd yet

i know the sims put it below mythic cache but

[bleak sky]

I don't have a decent IQD

[ebon notch]

for short heroic fights ive seen it blast

i mean just 272 is enough no?

[bleak sky]

I got a 246 one

[ebon notch]

[bleak sky]

last season

can't really do much about it

[tropic rover]

Oh, I saw a macro floating around here that targeted IQD onto you so you could avoid the execute mode, anyone have that handy?

[ebon notch]

ive been farming it on my shaman for enha

[crystal glen]

just have a /cleartarget /use 13 /targetlasttarget

[bleak sky]

./target [@player]
./use 13 or 14
./targetlasttarget

something likje that

[crystal glen]

makes it so you never executes

[bleak sky]

oh yeah I could farm it

but BRUV

[tropic rover]

Thanks friends

[bleak sky]

tis not the week to farm dos

ardenweald pulls

[crystal glen]

you can't do much about the healer mana other than trying to sent it during innervates but not likely worth it to hold for an innervate to go out xD

(most likely very not worth it)

[ebon notch]

i just dont do any explosives

[bleak sky]

I get too stressed when there are 12 bombs out

[ebon notch]

im playing ele in most of these so if i dont get my opener out and abuse korayn then im basically doing no damage

so i dump my shit then help as much as i can

[bleak sky]

ele is fun, real fun

stormkeeper

[tropic rover]

Havoc doesn't do any damage in keys anyway so I help out

[crystal glen]

1st global of the pull make sure to stretch out that pack of trash so tank can't hit it xD

that's aleast out Ele's approach xD

[ebon notch]

demons bite spam anyone?

[tropic rover]

Zzzzzz

[bleak sky]

felblade dblade

[tropic rover]

You could legitimately play havoc right now with foot pedals

[ebon notch]

having to do the urn also

is very fun

when you have every cd in the game up

[bleak sky]

the double ubc

[tropic rover]

I did a 15 top as essence break momentum yesterday and now I'm dreading having to do my 20 gambit as venthyr

[bleak sky]

nah just go nf

20

have fun

[tropic rover]

There's no fun

Only pain

[subtle tundra]

wtf havoc talk n assa

i can accept some sub

but not havoc

[bleak sky]

you're a sub

[subtle tundra]

i just did 26 streets +2 as assa

[tropic rover]

I'm a refugee take pity on me :(

[bleak sky]

how's rygelon prog varas

[ebon notch]

hacker

[subtle tundra]

not started

[bleak sky]

o

[ebon notch]

raid got moved to today and then cancelled

anduin never dying

[tropic rover]

You play venthyr in keys or Necro?

[subtle tundra]

venthyr

[bleak sky]

next reset for sure

[subtle tundra]

necro is cringe

if youre gonna play necro

just go sub

[bleak sky]

sanest sin player in this chat

[tropic rover]

Honestly so true

I tried to play Necro outlaw a little in 9.1, couldn't stand it

[spice spire]

Delete this rn

[blazing pumice]

necrolord outlaw was peak sl rogue

[ebon notch]

was better than playing nf for sure

[tropic rover]

Idk something about it just didn't feel right to me

Felt like I needed mouseovers for bonespike and mfd and I've never really liked using them

[ebon notch]

you absolutely do

otherwise its so painful

[tropic rover]

Yeah I've just never really got the hang of it for whatever reason

Kyrian outlaw with dust is so much fun

[ebon notch]

it takes a lot of time

its not something you pick up straight away unless you're used to mouseovers

but once you do it carries over to most other specs in the game

[tropic rover]

Yeah I'm sure. I should probably dedicate some time to getting used to them, I really only ever play melee but it might be relevant at some point

[ebon notch]

focus kicks are super important in higher keys

you have a button dedicated to setting focus

which is mouseover

[tropic rover]

Oh yeah that I use

That's easier since I set it up before getting into combat and I feel like I don't need to swap it mid combat too often

[indigo mulch]

You recon nadja is better for halondrus prog?

[limber lion]

Ya

With DD

[indigo mulch]

DD?

D:

[ebon notch]

double door?

maybe

[bleak sky]

dauntless duelist

[indigo mulch]

Ah

[ebon notch]

ooo

[indigo mulch]

I figured, you don't really stand still on that fight.

[ebon notch]

was gonna say cause double door is on theotar

[indigo mulch]

WPS or LP?

WPS right?

[ebon notch]

you can sim both but theyre usually very close

[harsh anchor]

Double dose

[proper tapir]

My sim is showing IQD/phial (both 272) as +70dps over IQD/Sigil(265). Trust the sim?

[whole mason]

Yes.

[grizzled turtle]

Returning player here.. what’s my best legendary setup as venthyr with 4p bonus

[indigo mulch]

Sigil gains a lot of vaule the better gear you get.

[bleak sky]

#assassination-faq

[grizzled turtle]

Okay thanks, was looking in the pins lol

[limber lion]

Yeah, we generally recommend Nadja with 3p nowadays

But HallyD is different.

[hybrid vale]

Kids these days can’t bind focus kick, I used to have arena 123 keybinds for 5 abilities as war and then party 123 for intervene I ran out of binds even with all 3 modifiers

Any more and I’d have to start using…. Ctrl shift as a modifier …

[trim cairn]

Get a mouse with keybind real estate

[viscid spear]

Back in my day I raided ICC with a laptop trackpad

[hybrid vale]

I had those back in legion and everything before but 1. They break alot 2. After using an my gpro wireless for shooters, going back to a big clunky corded mouse is awful

[trim cairn]

Aha, see now that is where you went wrong

I play with a joystick

[hybrid vale]

I swear I went thru like 8 nagas in my decade of wow before legion and like 2 scimitars

[halcyon zealot]

steelseries just released a "lightest mmo mouse ever" 18 button thing that looks pretty interesting

also wireless

[hybrid vale]

I tried a wireless one like last year, what a hunk of shit that was

Oh I’ll check it out for sure

It’s hard to believe you can fit 18 buttons while being light and reasonable form factor

This right?

[halcyon zealot]

its 89g so only 9g more than gpro wireless apparently

yeah i think so

[tropic rover]

The Logitech g600 is still the best mouse I've ever owned

[hybrid vale]

That does look really good

[tropic rover]

Have it for literal years

[bleak sky]

g402 goated

[tropic rover]

It is huge tho

[ebon notch]

i have a g502 and it has 3 buttons

[hybrid vale]

By looks alone, it looks perfect but I always think that with these mmo mice constantly disappointed

[ebon notch]

i use them for ctrl shift and alt

easy for me

[hybrid vale]

I just used it for kicks, targeting and off gcd things like I’d bind step as well

Any type of combo move

[outer cairn]

fok doesn't hit bombs in M+ do they?

[trim cairn]

Nope

Also auto attacks don't work if you have a wa bomb counter

[strange python]

Why no shiv fix :(

[native belfry]

is it triple potency or dd on nadj?

[balmy condor]

Triple

Best Covenant Breakdown
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/758585060982652978/966684185987252256/nadja_Venthyr.png?width=839&height=670
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/758585060982652978/949002551976656896/necro_assassination.png?width=810&height=647

[bleak sky]

friendship with theotar ended

[balmy condor]

Dauntless is better on like strictly single target fights

[bleak sky]

nadjia is my best friend now

[balmy condor]

But it’s honestly not worth it

[native belfry]

ama at dasausage now

Think triple potency is fine

[balmy condor]

Yep

[patent quartz]

can anyone help me how to add rupture to plater debuffs?

i keep getting this rupture

[balmy condor]

can use spell id 1943

[native belfry]

You can also use scripts for pandemic

there are some on wago

[patent quartz]

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

pain

suffering

[viscid spear]

Wow now I can keep Theo with Sub conduits

[hybrid vale]

random q but what was the point of removing toxic blade? like people cant have shiv and toxic blade bound?

[hollow escarp]

when euphoria procs and you have to stop dps

[balmy condor]

meaningful decision between utility and damage

[hybrid vale]

no just as separate skills

[hollow escarp]

they are separate, toxic blade was a talent until SL

[hybrid vale]

i loved the icon of that ill make a macro to change the tooltip

shiv replaced toxic blade afaik

[hollow escarp]

serves similar purpose for assa

but TB was a talent and shiv was removed from rogue for a while

[hybrid vale]

well as @balmy condor mentioned, shiv's can't properly function as a utility ability and damage cooldown

we should have both

[hollow escarp]

I wouldn't mind having both

[hybrid vale]

they're still super stubborn about keeping the spellbook small at blizz dunno why they're like that

[vestal wren]

but, is it?

[hybrid vale]

who cares if theres alot of abilities, they can handle it

[hybrid vale]

hard to believe? i mean i feel like making it non clunky is really hard even if it's light

18 buttons properly separated so you're not hitting two at once

[vestal wren]

i usually go with https://www.rocketjumpninja.com/top-mice

[hybrid vale]

they gotta be tacticle too, those soft mushy mouse buttons are a no go

[vestal wren]

but i also don't rly use mmo mice

[hybrid vale]

i only feel like it would be needed for arena cause of the amount of focus/arena123/party123 you have to bind otherwise it's not bad at all. my logitech gpro superlight has 2 buttons thats all ineed for pve

mb1 is kick mb2 is step

and i have kick on an actual keybind if i need to step kick

[uncut schooner]

I couldn't really vibe with mmo mice, keyboard binds just feel more natural to me.

Also

[glass tulip]

Some people have bad wrists and need to use more mouse buttons

Although I am also an fps mouse gamer

Still have 9 binds on it though lol

[ebon notch]

bro rn my mouse buttons are fucking me up

im clenching the button so hard

i need to move chain lightning to another bind

[pliant apex]

hi everyone

[balmy condor]

[lethal magnet]

anyone know what's the best use of cache trinket for assa patchwerk?

[uncut schooner]

[balmy condor]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[uncut schooner]

Hi whisp, long time no type.

[balmy condor]

hello

[uncut schooner]

I'm back because someone told me assa was decent now.

[balmy condor]

it's always been decent

[uncut schooner]

[balmy condor]

well

except in m+

still kinda sad in m+

but it's fine in raids

[subtle tundra]

[uncut schooner]

Was it ever good in m+

[hollow escarp]

there's some of us that enjoy it in m+

[hollow escarp]

s1 bfa

[uncut schooner]

I was late to the party in bfa, didn't join until nazj came out.

[hollow escarp]

didn't miss much

[uncut schooner]

true

[gusty mirage]

season 2 was sick wdym

[hollow escarp]

wouldn't know, was playing poe

[gusty mirage]

dazaralor was a great raid

reaping was sick

[uncut schooner]

did i miss much with sanctum or was 9.1 as bad as people keep telling me

[gusty mirage]

sanctum was alright

[hollow escarp]

people usually exaggerate, the patch had a lot of problems but overall was fine

[gusty mirage]

only issue was dom shards kinda killed alts

[hollow escarp]

exactly

[gusty mirage]

no catch up mechanic, couldn't send embers to alts, so you were just perma behind

[hollow escarp]

even playing different specs, I got rank 4 unholy when frost appeared to be good

[tired falcon]

lmao

[timid cloud]

It took like 4 weeks minimum just for your main gem set.

[tired falcon]

just saw pins shiv bug

[gusty mirage]

fuck jeff hamilton

[hollow escarp]

he left

[tired falcon]

literally the same as arcane mage radiance spark bug in cn

so funny XDDD

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-anyway-gif-19022587

[hollow escarp]

we had this issue with sylvanas dagger on ptr

[tired falcon]

im not sure if this is hard to code or something

but it is very common

[hollow escarp]

at least know it's less likely to see 2 assa rogues together

well, game is old

[timid cloud]

I mean arcane even less so.

[tired falcon]

well yes but

u wouldve tho they would learn

[hollow escarp]

they learn every patch

[tired falcon]

and then forget next patch

[hollow escarp]

no, they learn that their code is bad

[tired falcon]

[uncut schooner]

I'm just embracing copium that dragonflight will be the momentum they actually get it right.

[strange python]

Can’t wait for new tier sets rn cause this shits ass

[fallen fable]

Can someone explain me what happened here. Applied Flagg and it dissapeared and gave me 1 stack.

[bleak sky]

known bug

I don't think we know what triggers it

[timid cloud]

I thought it was getting parried?

[winter vapor]

I like it when my mutilates disappear into the ether during flag windows

[fallen fable]

ahh...

Also love when crimson parries

If it was parry for flagg logs doesn't record that

[main blaze]

Crimson parry in vendetta window dead inside

[stiff plank]

Hey, i just saw thé best assa rogue on anduin hc doesnt keep up ct during flag. Can anyone explain why?

[balmy condor]

cause they're weirdos

idk

[real bay]

feelcraft

[limber lion]

You probably shouldn't look at HC Anduin as a log of reference lol

Anduin is the worst log to go off of, by far

It's nothing but padding

[stiff plank]

What does padding mean?
I cant use a mythic one.

[subtle tundra]

doing non-important dmg

to look better on meters

[stiff plank]

Ah ok ty !

[limber lion]

Yeah, like using the Cache of Acquired Treasures trinket during the intermission of Anduin

to do 300% damage to all the small adds and rise on the meters

[native belfry]

Is it necro zoldyck on pantheon prog?

Or should I just go dusk

[tame sigil]

Whats the % difference between PVE raid ST Venthyr vs NF? is there a spreadsheet?

[echo geyser]

bout two fiddy tree fiddy?

[limber lion]

Dusk is probably better.

[native belfry]

but still necro?

[limber lion]

Yes

[native belfry]

k, tyty

[storm belfry]

I am so sorry lmao

[iron orchid]

here i am

3k io

only sin

finally

[storm belfry]

legend

[spice spire]

4K when

[iron orchid]

damn

[limber lion]

Another 0.2% gain for Assa

[oak sky]

U cant be stopped

[balmy condor]

don't say sword

[oak sky]

Wait sword would be getting a different trinket

Pain

[subtle tundra]

please dont be sword

[limber lion]

Nah, just forcing Vend/Flag syncing together everytime.

[subtle tundra]

oh

[limber lion]

Missing casts? lmao who cares

[ebon notch]

that wasnt in apl already?

[limber lion]

go syncerino

[subtle tundra]

you fkicng demon

[limber lion]

No, the sim valued missing casts more than syncing

[ebon notch]

ahh

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

we tested without dusk, with dusk, different fight lengths, patchwork and dungeonslice

was a gain everytime

well, it wasn't a gain without dusk

because well

yeah

you know, it's neutral, because, yeah, doesn't really work without 4p and dusk

but with dusk you always sync

so it makes the rotation super easy

and best of all

[turbid harbor]

I played assa for the first time in 6 months in heroic this week

[limber lion]

we no longer get questions about "why does the sim use Vend at 58 seconds but Flag at 69 seconds????"

[turbid harbor]

Was way more fun with tier

[limber lion]

By the way

Sword was marginal or bad

so just send axe boys

we tried

we failed

[gusty mirage]

just wait

[hollow escarp]

axe gang

[limber lion]

the axe overlords won

[gusty mirage]

I'm about to flip the trinket game on its head

[oak sky]

Mfs talking about axe or sword

My brother in christ just play sigil

[gusty mirage]

sigil deez

[limber lion]

?

[limber lion]

my brudda

I have bad news

we play them both

it's a package deal

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

you're welcome

[oak sky]

Damn my last sim phial was my only upgrade

Changes

[gusty mirage]

upgrading my xymox trinket to 278 was a 253 dps uprade for me

and I think 0.4% for mr. cev

[oak sky]

I dont have the xymox trinket

[gusty mirage]

unlucky

[oak sky]

Next reclear

[gusty mirage]

I'll loot something besides the gray vanity bag for sure this time

[oak sky]

Now i have to sim droptomizer again

[hollow escarp]

[oak sky]

Was there a gain for cache somewhere

[gusty mirage]

278 sigil is 150 dps less for me as well

[hollow escarp]

well, I'm happy

[gusty mirage]

you keep your 5min cd trinkets

I'll take the magical cache

[hollow escarp]

because I might never get to kill pantheon before jailer

[ebon notch]

@limber lion is sword still not an upgrade on no lust openers?

[limber lion]

Never press Sword

Always press Axe

very boring I know

but it is what it is

[ebon notch]

yes sir

[limber lion]

But yeah boys don't worry

Sigil/Phial still bis

[ebon notch]

i cant get mythic sigil for like 1.5 months

[hollow escarp]

[limber lion]

But unless you have 278 versions of both

Cache will pop up

[gusty mirage]

spoken like a man without a mythic cache

[ebon notch]

can i still use heroic sigil

[hollow escarp]

I like my cache

[ebon notch]

maybe i use cache and iqd

iqd kinda vibing rn im testing it

[kindred heron]

on both ST & cleave/multi target?

[hollow escarp]

I hope droptimizer weights both trinkets

[fleet anchor]

Honestly I'm more likely to have M Cache available because like 509867 people in my raid want a Mythic Sigil

And we've only gotten like 2 so far

[oak sky]

Great so i can stick to it

[fleet anchor]

Unless I happen to GV it

[oak sky]

Sigil openers go hard bro

[hollow escarp]

I got cache from GV

[oak sky]

Cant wait till i can peak 60k

Cache is still gonna be good in the right fight timers anyway

[gusty mirage]

you can legit mix and match from the top 5 and be just fine

[oak sky]

No i need the top sim

[kindred heron]

^ We optimizing around here, not trying to be "just fine" x)

[limber lion]

Yeah, I got a Mythic Sigil from vault myself, haven't yet gotten a cache

[gusty mirage]

no you need to go outside and see the sun

[limber lion]

But I much more prefer a trinket that I need to press once every 5 minutes instead of a ticking time bomb every 3 minutes

[hollow escarp]

ohh, this is new

[oak sky]

Not allowed

[limber lion]

Yeah it's pretty nice

[gusty mirage]

I'll play whatever 278 I get in the vault first

[hollow escarp]

I already simmed my catalyst options, best was to use on cloak for 26 dps

[gusty mirage]

278 phial is staying tho

I aint using double on-use

[oak sky]

Bro wish i had 278 phial

[obtuse robin]

i wonder what raidbots will look like in 10.0 devteam got some work ahead of them

[gusty mirage]

first max ilvl phial I get

after they nerf it

[oak sky]

Still bis

Cry harder

Vel got one too finally

[gusty mirage]

I'll show you bis

and make you cry

[open arrow]

is it a big dps decrease if you're not using mfd?

[limber lion]

I've never seen a phial in any of my characters vaults, ever

[gusty mirage]

are you playing venthyr?

[limber lion]

You either play MFD or you play Night Fae.

[oak sky]

Last tier i had a leech phial

[limber lion]

Your pick

[oak sky]

I ended up full bis

We shall see this tier

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

but no maidens? unlucky

[limber lion]

I never got full bis

I've never had full bis

except in 8.3

[oak sky]

I got the sylv belt in the last vault of season 2

[gusty mirage]

next week for SURE you'll get the sire daggers

[oak sky]

That was the final piece

[gusty mirage]

[open arrow]

oh, well is there a big difference between nf and vent?

[red atlas]

should i use nadja or theothar for ST?

[limber lion]

I can't wait

[gusty mirage]

maybe in season 4

[oak sky]

Cev about to get no sire daggers in s4

[hollow escarp]

Edge of Night 285

[oak sky]

Bro literally

[gusty mirage]

nah it'll be higher ilvl

I think

[hollow escarp]

it will be bis anyway

[oak sky]

Yeah 301 or something

[hollow escarp]

[oak sky]

I can finally kill bosses past huntsman on mythic

:)

[gusty mirage]

BDGG | Agreon when?

[carmine dawn]

https://twitter.com/ohnoproblems/status/1518319605671862272?s=21&t=z02t0JVNhWN0GxlL9raazg

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[oak sky]

Never bro im not good enough

[gusty mirage]

the fuck you aren't

[oak sky]

Dude hof guilds dont hit my line

How you gonna think im top 10 material

Im literally just like will hunting

[gusty mirage]

because I know whats in your heart

[oak sky]

Wasted potential

[oak sky]

Bro thats some sappy shit m8

Im not good enough for them i cant even get out of my guild

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

• even if i was i couldnt raid for them

Full time student

[gusty mirage]

damn bro

didn't realize your parents raised a bitch

unfort

[oak sky]

Wtf

How m i a bitcj

[primal sigil]

is NF the more traditional sin gameplay ? or do u go CT with NF too ? simmin my own char now, but was curious if CT is only picked as Venth

[ebon notch]

short of sitting you down and monitoring your applications i LITERALLY could not do more

you will stay in your current guild and you will enjoy it

fucking nerd

[oak sky]

I DONT WANT TO MISS HALONDRUS OR RYGELON NOW

[ebon notch]

YEAH WELL UNLUCKY

SHOULDVE APPLIED TO MORE GUILDS

[oak sky]

I APPLIED TO A BUNCH OF THEM BRO THEY JUST TOOK RETURNING PLAYERS OR WERE WEIRD ASF INSTEAD

[ebon notch]

APPLY TO M O R E

[carmine dawn]

Just be me

[oak sky]

I DONT WANT TO MISS HALONDRUS OR RYGELON

[carmine dawn]

Get recruited before their main rogue comes back

[ebon notch]

i waited for this guilds rogue to be kicked and then i applied

hes in the discord tho hopefully he doesnt read 👀

[oak sky]

Does he still play

[ebon notch]

started again recently

[oak sky]

Im gonna @ him

[ebon notch]

nos hot

[hollow escarp]

that's how I got in my current guild, they were not recruiting rogues but I applied the same day they kicked on of their rogues

[ebon notch]

no 🧢

[ebon notch]

bruh a few guilds before this one their rogue went to join the military and they needed one bad

thats how i jumped over 1k world ranks

[oak sky]

Next expansion

[hollow escarp]

I kinda jumped 1800

[ebon notch]

cant wait for your rygelong prog in 6 months

[oak sky]

I could maybe hop in s4 idk man

[ebon notch]

no shot

[hollow escarp]

old guild died on sylvanas after 400 wipes, current guild wr 270

[oak sky]

Bro we killed sylv before 1.5 ok we arent total dogshit, just regular dogshit

[hollow escarp]

skewed numbers but kinda matches

[ebon notch]

go apply to a new guild right now

i dare you

[oak sky]

I wont

[ebon notch]

yeah no shit

[oak sky]

I need to play halondrus bro

NEED

[ebon notch]

refer to my previous statement

[oak sky]

Need

I cant miss like

Thr best bosses of the expansion

In prog

[ebon notch]

i have a novel idea

you may not be prepared for this but

find a new guild?

[oak sky]

[limber lion]

oh no

[hollow escarp]

YES DOOD

[kindred heron]

!!!!!!!!

[hollow escarp]

LET'S GO

[ebon notch]

SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH

IM BIS BABYYYYYYYYYY

[hollow escarp]

got ring?

[kindred heron]

272 phial

[ebon notch]

oh fuck

[kindred heron]

"bis"

x)

[ebon notch]

[oak sky]

Bro why is cache better

[hollow escarp]

it does more damage

[ebon notch]

fuck me man when is legion timewalking back

please

[oak sky]

No

[hollow escarp]

3 months from now?

[oak sky]

Cache cant be better bro

I dont have it

[hollow escarp]

has to be better

I have it

[ebon notch]

its ok agreon is reclearing xymox every week

he'll get it soon

[oak sky]

I actually am

[ebon notch]

i know

that was the joke

[hollow escarp]

reclearing is fun though

[oak sky]

[hollow escarp]

[oak sky]

Yeah we extend late because it lets us kill bosses post nerf

At least thats what im assuming

[hollow escarp]

save the date @ebon notch

august

[oak sky]

Not having the ring

[hollow escarp]

you can farm free tshirts while in queue for CoS

[kindred oriole]

This is from snapshotting the haste from the sword buff?

[ebon notch]

ill either be in echo or a wage slave by then

[balmy condor]

no

it's just axe good

haste good

make axe good

[kindred oriole]

Ah gotcha.

[deft vault]

any reason why first sigil 278 sims -0.7% on my sims. thought it was supposed to be bis ?

[limber lion]

Could be plenty of reasons

Trinkets vary from person to person and stuff like stats, other trinkets and so on will change the value of trinkets drastically

[gusty mirage]

Pog free t shirt day

[limber lion]

If you scroll up a bit, you'll see that Sigil, IQD and Cache sim very similarly

Pretty much the same output from all of them in full bis gear

But for your current profile it might not give the same results, and that's ok.

[gusty mirage]

Yeah any major swings one way or another will depend on your current gear

[lethal magnet]

is it possible to force a particular cache trinket activation on advanced sims?

[balmy condor]

yes but you have to go into the APL and edit it

there's no line you can just copy paste in

that being said though wand sucks and sword doesn't really have a point to be used

so

[fleet anchor]

I'm in shambles right now. With all my gear changes and the APL updates this week my Assassination set is now 200 DPS higher than Sub for the first time in like 2 tiers 👀

[limber lion]

it's pretty annoying to do, just use axe everywhere

[fleet anchor]

Might have to join the Cev club

[limber lion]

We've tried everything and Axe just wins everytime

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

I’m scared to sim myself honestly

[fleet anchor]

I can't believe I put myself in Court of Stars jail for an entire week just to force myself to swap to Assassination

😄

[royal lantern]

be happy

[hollow escarp]

[royal lantern]

dont need to play the weeb spec anymore

[fleet anchor]

I mean Kyrian Sub is really a lot of fun

[royal lantern]

sub should naruto run during sprint

change my mind

[fleet anchor]

But I'm happy to play Assassination too, I don't really mind

[hollow escarp]

kyrian assa

[fleet anchor]

Although since we have an Assassination Rogue playing in comp already

I can't swap until the Shiv bug is fixed lol

[hollow escarp]

just shiv before him

[royal lantern]

[vast loom]

if only the shiv bug was useful and just gave the buff to all sins 🙂

[ebon notch]

shiv first global just to fuck over the other rogue

[limber lion]

Track the other persons Shiv

and press it 1s before it comes up

[ebon notch]

is that actually doable with a weakaura

[hollow escarp]

omnicd

[ebon notch]

or do you make some sussy lua code and disguise it as a WA for them

[oak sky]

bro daps chose violence today

[ebon notch]

and they import it

[hollow escarp]

at that point just tricks them on pull

[spice spire]

I see it on cev’s plater iirc

I know it tracks vendettas

It’s been like a month since I raided with another sin rogue

[ebon notch]

@limber lion

[brazen zodiac]

wrong. he chose victory

[balmy condor]

[viscid spear]

Did it until Legion

[lethal magnet]

good to know, was wondering about sword on pull without bl

[jade abyss]

Shiv bug?

[gusty mirage]

only 1 sin rogue can benefit from 2pc at a time

[jade abyss]

Rip...

[ebon notch]

sin rogue broke

[viscid spear]

[gusty mirage]

rogue broke*

fixed that for you

[ebon notch]

wtf is this emote

hahhahaha

[viscid spear]

[jade abyss]

That means when 3 different shivs is on the boss only 1 for 1 rogue counts instead 1 for themself

[ebon notch]

ye

[jade abyss]

Wow

Ty

[limber lion]

Shiv still works like it normally would

just the 2p part, Grudge Match, does not.

[ebon notch]

^^^ sorry i shouldve clarified

[jade abyss]

Alright ty we was 3 assassin rogues today on halondrus hc ^^"

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

make them go outlaw

tell them its really good

[balmy condor]

I think sin with no 2 piece might be better than outlaw

[jade abyss]

No im the only one that was playing outlaw sometimes there a sub players in general

[ebon notch]

we found an outlaw player 👀

@balmy condor alert the media

[spare crow]

One technical question, sorry if i'm out of date with the current state of sin

why is the sim still referring to night fae? thought venthyr sims higher?

[hollow escarp]

what sim?

[spare crow]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/shadowlands/profiles/Tier28/T28_Rogue_Assassination.simc

[hollow escarp]

not updated

[spare crow]

ah.

asking cause they recently regenerated the profiles so i was confused

[balmy condor]

regenerating the profiles is just a near daily thing

I'm pretty sure it's automated actually

[spare crow]

oh

makes sense ok

[limber lion]

Just runs the current profile again in case of updates

[balmy condor]

yeah