assassination

[vestal wren]

so they will 100% make a more diverse set of options than we have now with talents/covenant abilities/baseline abilities/legendary options/conduits + soulbidns

[iron orchid]

so they put convoke into druids talents, so they don't have to rework feral gameplay being so slow

and just say, feral is fine, they do damage thanks to convoke

[strange python]

10.0

We have decided that rogue is a pointless class. We have divvied up their abilities between demon hunters and warriors, and will be deleting them from the game.

[bleak sky]

I want to keep sbs

Give sbs talent

[balmy condor]

if feral weren't such a terribly designed target dummy single target spec I would play the fuck out of it

[strange python]

I just don't wanna play with flag or sepsis or echoing reprimand anymore

[bleak sky]

You play rogue clownshoes

[balmy condor]

rogue is objectively more fun than feral

[bleak sky]

That's true

[iron orchid]

true

[strange python]

If flag stays in 10.0 I go feral

[balmy condor]

obedience won't be a thing

flag in the dirt

[vestal wren]

feral is sadly more a budget rogue

[balmy condor]

never play it

[iron orchid]

playing feraal you can basically fall asleep for 30s windows, and you'd be fine

[bleak sky]

No obedience, no resounding clarity

Just sadness

[vestal wren]

i am not that big of a fan of flagallation, not sure i would want it as a talent

[balmy condor]

I'm okay with it on sub

[vestal wren]

i wonder if guy would want er as a talent for outlaw

[balmy condor]

but I hate it on sin

[vestal wren]

i disslike the nature of the spell of having high uptime requirements

[balmy condor]

it just fits really awkwardly into sins kit tbh

[vestal wren]

playing kyrian is refreshing because its more dynamic

[balmy condor]

like you got poisons and bleeds and stuff and shiv, 20 second vend window

[steel ridge]

probably not 😄 if we would like anything as a talent it would be resounding clarity

[strange python]

I would like kyrian if not for weapon master and sectec

[steel ridge]

or something alike

[vestal wren]

ii think flag would be fine on sin if you would have no time limit to stack

[balmy condor]

and then you go venth and now you have this 24 second thing with a 12 second ramp that works on finishers and you're trying to max cp and get a ton of casts in the 12 seconds but then not the second half and it's basically just haste and it's just ??????

[vestal wren]

like if it just would activate the vers buff on 30 stacks

[bleak sky]

Next patch I'm shadow priest anyway fuck rogue cya

[vestal wren]

its just akward on sin because you can't guarantee high stacks, so you have the feeling to miss out

[bleak sky]

Mfd makes it better right

[vestal wren]

yes kinda

[bleak sky]

And you have vendetta for it

[balmy condor]

necro and venth to me feel like they actually just threw everything into one ability and whatever sticks sticks

[strange python]

Ban minalba for triggering whispyr

[vestal wren]

i think er would also be a lot more interessting if it was "your next X finisher count as if you finish on 7 cp"

[strange python]

That too

[vestal wren]

could do stupid 1 cp finisher chain

[strange python]

I just hate fishing for CPs with fucking sub

[balmy condor]

necro is a ranged combo point generating instant dot with an instant damage portion that has charges and refunds a charge on kill and the combo points scale off of the targets with the bleed

venth is a cooldown that does damage and damage on finisher and also gives haste, but also vers, and the cooldown gets reduced as well, but the first 12 seconds are the damage portion and then it just sticks around for 12 seconds and also it does shadow damage

like

what a fucking mess

[strange python]

Meanwhile

[balmy condor]

it's not even complicated for a reason

[strange python]

Convoke: cast all your shit lol

[balmy condor]

it's just "here's every mechanic we can squeeze into one button"

[bleak sky]

The Hunt: go zoom zoom do damage

[obtuse robin]

i cant wait to pick rtb on my sin in 10.0

amazing

[strange python]

I swear to god

If they add rtb to sin

I will commit my life to making you annoyed.

[bleak sky]

Shrouded suffocation as a talent

[obtuse robin]

[strange python]

Don't you fucking put that evil out there

[solid venture]

Roll true bearing for even less cd on vendetta

[strange python]

Yes plz

I want shrouded suff back

[obtuse robin]

SS with shadowdance and subtrefuge

make it happen

[vestal wren]

i did like the overloaded necro ability in beta

[strange python]

I feel like shrouded suff was super beloved

[vestal wren]

but necro does not integrate well into at least subtlety now

so its kinda meh, it feels decent on sin/outlaw

[balmy condor]

shrouded was super beloved because bleeds did damage and things giving 2 cp baseline are nice (looking at you fok)

[strange python]

It made vanish feel important too.

[balmy condor]

I still don't get what they want to do with vanish

[strange python]

Ambush.

[balmy condor]

sin has a whole talent row for vanish

sub has nothing

outlaw has cto, which is gonna go away

so like

what is it gonna be

[vestal wren]

idk, cto could stay

[balmy condor]

is it an offensive cooldown? is it a filler spell for minimal gain? is it an open world stealth enabler and pvp button

[fleet anchor]

I mean let's be honest

[balmy condor]

whats it gonna be blizz

[fleet anchor]

Shrouded Suffocation shouldn't even be a thing

[steel ridge]

cto is #1 candidate for a talent in the new tree

everyone loves it

[fleet anchor]

It should just be what Subterfuge is lol

Subterfuge has just been gutted over the course of a decade

[strange python]

Subterfuge feels really bad to use

[fleet anchor]

And is pathetic now

[balmy condor]

and somehow nightstalker is just worse

[vestal wren]

subterfuge should be 50% more damage on garrote
tick damage increase of garrote
cp gain increase of garrote?

[strange python]

It's nice on 3pack pulls and thats it

[steel ridge]

yeah i think the low cp gain is what makes it so clunky

[fleet anchor]

Nightstalker needs an extra 0

lol

[vestal wren]

nightstalker on subtlety: 12%

[fleet anchor]

I mean, that at least kinda makes sense since Sub is in Stealth 99.2% of the time

😄

[balmy condor]

they had like 5 expansions to do sin talents and they didn't, because they were prepping for the banger 10.0 rogue trees the whole time it's gonna be sick guys

[vestal wren]

shadow dance uptime went from 16% to 60%

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

and it still isn't worth to use

[bleak sky]

You're gonna overdose

Stop

[vestal wren]

i don't think subterfuge need a buff

rather garrote baseline damage

[balmy condor]

that's the same thing

[vestal wren]

50% is usually a quite noticable increase

[obtuse robin]

ion said we wil be able to do shit we have never been able to do b4 im kinda hyped for 10.0

[balmy condor]

garrote is just energy gen without borrowed power

[vestal wren]

well increasing subterfuge damage does mean you need to talent in it to have your bleeds do more

[balmy condor]

you buff it, you directly buff subterfuge in the process

[vestal wren]

having baseline damage of the dot increased means you get it even without the talent

[balmy condor]

50% small number = small number
50% less small number = less small number

[fleet anchor]

Buffing baseline Garrote also buffs MA

[jaunty crystal]

shrouded suffocation please

[vestal wren]

^

[bleak sky]

How so

[fleet anchor]

Because it will crit for more? 😛

[balmy condor]

I mean

sick

[fleet anchor]

Buffing Subterfuge just buffs Subterfuge. Buffing Garrote buffs both Subterfuge and MA in different proportions.

[bleak sky]

(does garrote actually crit?)

[balmy condor]

3 seconds of garrote crits

every 2 minutes

[vestal wren]

thats my point, buffing baseline does create more interessting choice

[bleak sky]

I'm shocked that bleeds can crit

[balmy condor]

(it's 50% they won't crit)

[strange python]

Today

I did a heroic halondrus

And both of my MA muts didn't crit

Ty for attending my story.

[fleet anchor]

I've heard this story before

It's called Jaina

😄

[strange python]

Did it make you sad

[fleet anchor]

Don't worry, it made me sad all of Jaina prog lol

[strange python]

:(

[fleet anchor]

MA is an annoying talent

[strange python]

Have y'all noticed some weird destealth shit going on this raid?

Like, if someone pulls half a second early I'm ripped out of stealth

[fleet anchor]

Yes every fucking boss pulls us out of stealth somehow on pull

It's obnoxious

[strange python]

Hitting shadowstrike and slice out of muscle memory

[jaunty crystal]

skolex and halondrus have done it a lot to me

[strange python]

Only to realize 2gcds in that I have to backstab

Is so upsetting

[vestal wren]

i think you can avoid it by going into stealth just before pull

[strange python]

Devs aware?

[jaunty crystal]

how close to pull? because I do my deathly switch at 5 seconds.

[vestal wren]

i haven't tried it in recent

but on orgozoa it worked, but timing was very precise

so you can't if your raid team is not disciplined

unsure if it still works, but don't see why not

[timid cloud]

Yeah. Destealthed on Crab.

[vestal wren]

would need to test it out to confirm and get timing

(but its not that relevant on sub)

[strange python]

Do the devs know?

[vestal wren]

know what?

about the shiv bug, they will likely know soon

[bleak sky]

Whispyr dming scarizard at 3 am

"AYO FIX THIS SHIT"

[steel ridge]

and while they are at it, fix outlaw aswell

f**ckers

[bleak sky]

No outlaw is fine as is

[steel ridge]

😄

[bleak sky]

[vestal wren]

outlaw bugs already got reported

[steel ridge]

yeah and nothing on the horizon

[vestal wren]

the sub cp one too

so devs are aware

[steel ridge]

devs are busy cosplaying as lizards

[balmy condor]

He doesn’t respond anymore

[oak sky]

[bleak sky]

I wouldn't read your messages either

[oak sky]

just like guy

[balmy condor]

How did you reply then

[bleak sky]

Fuu is next on the scarizard ignore list

[bleak sky]

I'm talking to the voices right now please don't interrupt them

[spare crow]

Hello! How many targets to use fan of knives as sin? And on 2 big targets (e.g. lords) is it better to single target one of them while maintaining bleeds on both?

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/bateman-schizo-skinwalker-pizza-gif-23462867

[balmy condor]

3 targets for fok

[spare crow]

ty!

[balmy condor]

You maintain dots on both for lords

More dots more dots

[spare crow]

so i don't use FoK on lords or smth funky

[balmy condor]

[timid cloud]

Did someone say DOTS?

[balmy condor]

Nah

[spare crow]

kk

[bleak sky]

Maybe when the add gets gripped in

[spare crow]

if i use master assassin talent, is it rly important to engage with mutilate or garrote is fine too?

[timid cloud]

Only thing I normally do is save a spike for that add.

You should probably use Subterfuge for that fight.

It’s way better.

[spare crow]

Oh so i should run serrated bone spike on lords fight?

and subterfuge

oh

[bleak sky]

Yes

[timid cloud]

Yeah, with Deeper Strat

[spare crow]

ooh i see

makes sense

[vestal wren]

i am unsure if he is the right person to get information about bugs given that he is a system designer

[bleak sky]

Necro, zoldyck, subt deeper strats

[spare crow]

what's zoldyck

[bleak sky]

You can find more info for lords by searching cevs messages

[vestal wren]

the legendary that does give you execute

[timid cloud]

I tried Dusk & Zold, they both feel okay.

[bleak sky]

The bug is likely from the tier set which he designed right

Combo points from sub

Or did sub have cp gen issues before tier?

[timid cloud]

It was fine, swimming in them.

Especially in AOE.

[vestal wren]

that one we already handed information over to devs

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[timid cloud]

Since Shuriken always gave reliable CP.

Unlike FOK.

[vestal wren]

^ i also documented some bugs that were not on the tracker yesterday or so

[timid cloud]

Oh. So the Shiv report is already in?

I hope it gets fixed.

[vestal wren]

not yet, but likely soon

[timid cloud]

I’m glad I could contribute something.

Trying to edge Sin percent by percent back into beating Sub.

I’d do the same for Outlaw….

But Outlaw.

I’m just glad I also wasn’t completely fuckin’ crazy.

[vestal wren]

i mean the bug tracker also has some positive bugs

🙈

[bleak sky]

I wouldn't hold my breath over this bug being fixed

[vestal wren]

it is a easy fix

as it is just a ability that is flagged incorrectly to only allow one instance

the same happened to find weakness initially

[timid cloud]

I think BTE too, no?

[vestal wren]

it is a easy thing to miss when introducing one spell

[timid cloud]

Like only one BTE was working at all or something like that I recall.

[vestal wren]

as i assume testing is done mainly with one actor

[timid cloud]

Real question is, is this bug worth it to be like a widespread known thing?

[vestal wren]

for what its worth, you rarely have 2 sin rogues in a raid

[timid cloud]

I could see it going south where people are really cringe about pugs not letting in more than 1 Rogue at a time if they think their tier is broken.

[vestal wren]

but its good to be fixed

for bugs in general, rogues are always visible with everything (at least thats how i/koji/mystler/aethys did things)

thats also why we encourage people or dissencourage them to do certain things

e.g. deathly pre pull macro -> why not

dust 3 talent switch stupid macro thing -> had it visible, but also did say "rather not do it, its not worth the effort"

[timid cloud]

Yeah. I’m just also paranoid about waking up tomorrow to a clickbait YouTube video of “ROGUE TIER IS BUSTED???!!!! THIS LITERALLY MAKES ROGUE UNPLAYABLE”

It’s a joke primarily, but also completely within the realm of possibility.

[vestal wren]

i mean that would be a nice clickbait if you replace unplayable with a other positive catch phrase

[timid cloud]

Lol

[vestal wren]

it is a easy to craft timeline

assassination tier set is quite big of a increase, if you don't mention the lower baseline you can convince people that sin is the best spec to play

[spare crow]

would u play pantheon with the same setup?

i guess on 2-4 targets it's good

[bleak sky]

I'm almost positive it's dusk for pantheon

P1 and P2 buffed, p3 is not as big

[spare crow]

Do you always aim for 28+stack flag regardless of the situation?

i find it a bit harder to get 30 stacks on flag when vendetta isn't up compared to sub

trying to know if i'm doing smth wrong

if vendetta is up i almost always get 30, or 29

else i always end up with like 18-19

[bleak sky]

Don't worry about stacks

Sure keep them high

But you're not gonna hit 30 all the time

Wait hold up

Vendetta is always gonna be up for flag, that's the whole thing about venthyr

[spare crow]

hm

ill try some more and see

[bleak sky]

They might be 15 sec away from each other but you always sync them

Read the pin, it's good

[normal mist]

What's up with shiv and having 2 assa rogues in the raid? One shiv overwrites the other?

[bleak sky]

Magic

No idea tho

[normal mist]

I read what they were talking earlier but I'm either too dumb or too sleepy because I couldn't find the problem

[bleak sky]

Only one grudge match seems to be active at a given time

So if I shiv and you shiv, maybe only one of us gets the set bonus

[hollow dirge]

This needs to be checked asap😂

[timid cloud]

Tell me about it…

[oak sky]

thank god our other rogue wanted to be sub this tier

i just realized that my all star rank is inflated because all the rogues that are better than me havent killed pantheon

[solid mica]

sin has top parse on halondrus 👀

[hollow dirge]

Sin is strongy strong. And fun, unlike the slot machine😂

[normal mist]

Imagine my grudge bring replaced by the other sin in the raid with 271 that can't even do 7k dps

[solid mica]

honestly the worst part about sin is 1 step, feels so fuckin bad

it's like too much RP

'step in for the kill, can't get out till the mark is dead'

[iron orchid]

that's what happened to me on wednesday apparently

[solid mica]

some mf was high as shit when they did that

[iron orchid]

we got two sin rerolls doing terrible that got all the grudge procs, i actually got none

[normal mist]

I feel you bro...

[iron orchid]

at least it explains why my score is lower on desausage

with no 2p it's hard to compete

[normal mist]

The other sin rogue in my raid refuses to learn the rotation and blames his low dps "not having 4 tier" bro he can't even understand 2 tier and thinks poisonbomb is good

I did lord in a normal pug with him to get him the 4tier (didn't happen) . He casted CT 1 time

During the whole fight

He didn't even know what swarm was

[hollow dirge]

What kind of guild has this kind of rogue😂

[normal mist]

I'm too salty lately

[hollow dirge]

Educate the fucker, and if not, suggest the gm to excuse him from the raid😂

[normal mist]

My guild bro, clownfiesta

[muted condor]

anyone got the macro for changing covenant macro? idk how to phrase it sorry 😛

[slate sequoia]

Im telling u its strong

[normal mist]

The fucker is actually my older brother and in order to"bench" him, half the roster had to be benched aswell

[hollow dirge]

It is what it is 😂

[normal mist]

I cri

[hollow dirge]

Atleast you’re not forced to go sub even though you’re topping meters 😂

[normal mist]

I'm topping meters as assa

And I would never reroll

[slate sequoia]

I was only really missing double step at one single point in the fight even when carrying bombs

Its not that bad

[hollow dirge]

That’s what I mean.

[hollow dirge]

Double step is really the only thing I like about sub😂

[normal mist]

What I meant was that I would never be forced to go sub

[iron orchid]

i guess we have the same experience xd

[normal mist]

I'm not raiding mythic

[iron orchid]

why are you describing my guild ?

[slate sequoia]

One could argue that when on bomb duty assa is better due to the loss of uptime sometimes

[normal mist]

Dude please, if you are in the pc, check my logs @iron orchid

[iron orchid]

check mine bro xd

Deïræ

[normal mist]

Royalflüx

Let me check (harder on phone)

[iron orchid]

ok we're in the same situation i guess xd

except my raid is even worse because i don't get either warrior or enh to help me

we are basically 3-4 rogues and 3dh, which is extremely suboptimal

[normal mist]

Why the hell is there a rogue called tmpikaboo in your best oracle kill? XD

Fan much?

[normal mist]

I would just quit raiding at this point xD

[glass tulip]

Probably the Tmpikaboo-Mug'thol impersonator🤣

[iron orchid]

yeah just a fan of some sort

[normal mist]

Plottwist: that one doesn't pvp

[iron orchid]

At least i get to do what i've done for the last couple patches which is carry my old mates while playing sin

we have no one to take the role of a raid leader, and not enough people for a MM raid

[normal mist]

Doesn't it get to a point where you would like to be last on the recount?

[iron orchid]

i'm trying to get everyone to do better

[normal mist]

While still doing the same dps?

[iron orchid]

well, it's frustrating when i try my hardest and see people struggling with their classes

but rn i'm fine being more on the casual side

i got to play other games when i took a break from wow and it was refreshing

[normal mist]

I just dislike it when people show up for loot and not for raid

Same, tried ff14 for some months

[iron orchid]

this allows me to have time to do more M+ and try other classes

i started this patch as enh

but quickly quit to go back to sin

and now i'm trying to gear a feral

because i have more time

[normal mist]

You'll end up tanking xD

[iron orchid]

probably

my goal is to master sin, enh, feral, guardian

by the end of 9.2

well master is a bit extreme

[normal mist]

Above average

[iron orchid]

yeah

knowing what i do is close to optimal

which rn is only the case when i play sin

[normal mist]

I feel you. But every time I pick an alt I feel like I'm cheating my rogue LOL

[spare crow]

which necro soulbind do u use on lords and panth

marileth vs lords and heirmir vs pantheon?

[timid cloud]

Hermir for both.

Damn though, reading that story Royal posted. Hurts deep.

[normal mist]

Me leaving the raid or the fact half the ppl there are trolling? XD

Oh wait me leaving was on general chat

Heh I RQ last night xD

[timid cloud]

Both.

But you left raid last night?

[normal mist]

Yeah

[timid cloud]

Sec I’ll check general.

[normal mist]

Nothing big. My biggest flaw is that I want everyone to perform or atleast try their best during raid nights

I'm no rl so I can't ask for it

Nor bench anyone

[hollow dirge]

Sounds to me like you need to change guilds😅

[normal mist]

It's irl friends guild generally

We together since legion

But I grew tired of carrying ppl that show up for loot instead of being there to kill bosses

[spare crow]

I feel you.

[timid cloud]

I hated this one guy that uhhh

Let’s just put it this way.

He had a 226 ruby, & 230 chest crafted when we killed Sylvanas.

Arcane mage

I’ll let that one marinate for a bit.

[normal mist]

Hm... let me search for something then about my first and only sylv kill as a guild:

[timid cloud]

Don’t get me started….

[spare crow]

i've got at least 5 people in my guild

who're perma <10 parse

[timid cloud]

Blood Gems on a Warlock for Sylvanas.

[spare crow]

since early SoD

when i joined the guild

they don't learn, they don't improve

[timid cloud]

[spare crow]

they take the loot

that's it

[timid cloud]

I’m getting malded just reading & re-thinking.

[spare crow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kfCAXtn2QYh8WNjF#fight=last&type=damage-done

This was our latest prog log

[normal mist]

Holy shit....

Imma post a image, delete later if necessary.
My first and last kill as a guild sylv hc

[spare crow]

5 weeks into heroic

[timid cloud]

Check that meme.

That is a meme from like...AGES ago

[spare crow]

playing

arguably the easiest

most braindead

spec in the game

5 weeks into heroic

[normal mist]

I beat the whole raid, as necro, with the (almost) lowest item level between all dps...

[zinc frost]

Is it just like auto attack dmg?

[timid cloud]

That's from NYA lol

[spare crow]

no

he legit tries to use spells

[normal mist]

Tries

[spare crow]

You know what the funny part of this is

it's that he's not even the worst

we have lkegit

4 bm hunters

performing like this

in out biweekly raid sessions

during prog

idk

[normal mist]

I wouldn't be ready to be a rl and keep dealing with that

[spare crow]

our rl is a real one

always calm and collected

idk how he does it

id be fuming

[normal mist]

Mine is the same

Really good and calling out tactics and stuff

Always chill

[spare crow]

actually

5 bm hunters

this guy

plays since 2004

unironically

he even dares having an attitude this guy

[normal mist]

You're making me cry xDD

[solid venture]

[spare crow]

60

YEAR

OLD

GROWN

ASS

MAN

FLAMING

20 yo guys

Can you believe it

i couldnt'

[normal mist]

Yes

[solid venture]

Sounds like a git gud issue

[copper hazel]

yes, easily

also, probs not really related to assassination at this point

[spare crow]

sry for the ot

but i feel great now that i got it off my chest

thanks sin bros

[copper hazel]

honestly, leave the guild. you could pug better

[normal mist]

We got you

[spare crow]

planning to do that

rly soon

[woeful gyro]

hey guys new to wow and rogue in general having a pretty tough time atm any advice for dealing with my current problem which is that im super squishy and find myself dying quite alot im using cloak of shaodws and evasion but even then i find myself having to wait and heal after every 3rd mob or so

[normal mist]

@spare crow about your bm hunters

I also have that issue but across all specs

Guardian hc kill

[copper hazel]

cant really take much from a guardian kill, that isnt even a boss fight

[spare crow]

i think that

[normal mist]

OK OK let me check a more credible boss

[spare crow]

especially cause it's not even a boss fight

people aren't supposed to fail that hard

imo

[normal mist]

Oracle

[leaden garden]

Is asa in a good spot atm? strong?

[normal mist]

Yes

[normal mist]

Oracle is legit free loot, yet people keep failing

[zinc frost]

@normal mist @spare crow find new guilds rogue bros, you are too good for them

[normal mist]

I only heroic @zinc frost bro, so even pugging is better

[spare crow]

Tis my logs atm, recently swapped to sin and tried pantheon

but i had wrong cov so it's good

[normal mist]

You bet it's good

[spare crow]

also i had next to no idea i had to line up vendetta/flag etc

next try it'll be far better

Regarding serrated bone spike, should i apply it like i apply my rupture/garrote?

so that each target has rupture+garrote+serrated+poisons spread by fan of knives?

is that how it works?

or should i pay attention to smth else too

[normal mist]

On pantheon the sbs resets every time a boss reaches 40%

[rotund oak]

Should try Outlaw for Pantheon,way smoother,more mobile,easier to dodge stuff,has strong cleave

[spare crow]

i dont think ill play necro on pantheon

mainly asking for m+

[normal mist]

Oh

I just spread it around in packs

[rotund oak]

oh

[normal mist]

And on boss for ez cos

Cps*

[leaden garden]

yo guys, if playing Master Assassin, do I always open with Mutilate and never ambush/garrote?

[rotund oak]

im very interested in necro assa tbh

for m+

something tells me its the future

[oak sky]

its not we do no dam

[spare crow]

garrote opening should be good with master assa

i think

[leaden garden]

nah

[oak sky]

yeah always mut with MA

[leaden garden]

ty!

[normal mist]

Mut snd mut Garr (flag if venthyr) rupture mfd ct vendetta shiv and vanish

[leaden garden]

awesome , ty mate!

[normal mist]

If necro skip the first mut for sbs

I believe that's the optimal way

[valid leaf]

The shredder technique

[oak sky]

necro you garrote and sbs all possible targets

then snd

[spare crow]

so u open with garrote on stealth only if you're playing subterfuge?

[oak sky]

yes

[valid leaf]

YES

[leaden garden]

yupp

[spare crow]

aight

[oak sky]

and fill other globals with ambush

[valid leaf]

Empowered garrote hits like M16

[normal mist]

I was describing a boss opener, please do not do that I said in m+ xD

[oak sky]

well we typically only play necro when theres multi target bosses

so

[normal mist]

There are still necro ST enjoyers

[rotund oak]

i like necro more than venthyr tbh

but venthyr goes higher,so venthyr it is

[valid leaf]

Venthyr is pog for me personally enjoy it more then necro

All i need as an assa is a pocket PI

[rotund oak]

like,when i play assa i get random PIs all the time

[valid leaf]

Ogiga zug zug

[rotund oak]

they see assa==>PI target

[hollow dirge]

Especially during vendetta, so your energy can’t even move away from 100%😂

[valid leaf]

!!!!!!!! Preach brother

But no my guild loves their demo locks

[zinc frost]

They big pumpers that’s why

[rotund oak]

thats why u open warmode and murder eveyr lock u see walking around

fair trade for taking ur PI

[valid leaf]

Actually a great idea

Still didnt try plaguefall 1st boss as assa

[rotund oak]

i used to make a horde rogue to gank alliance wannabes and vice versa

never vengeance felt better

#DontF@ckWithRogues

[pearl ingot]

Soooooo good! Do it!

[normal mist]

Now you must spend 30 days getting that other rogue prepared to kill anyone

I used to have 2 rogues aswell

Now u can't be bothered

[valid leaf]

Pi yellow colour rog yellow colozr=pi prio

[indigo ginkgo]

Menos Pá !

[normal mist]

Não :c

[solid venture]

[royal lantern]

si

or something like that

[hollow river]

Bro

We’re over half way into Halondrus prog, PB 35ish % and it was brought up I should switch to sin and get pi+faeries

I wonder if faeries fucks aligning everything up or if it’s stonks

[craggy oak]

Slapping as sin in my raid but venth boomie still getting pi, feels bad

[normal mist]

Imagine having a core priest in your raid team

[hollow river]

We have 3 priests

2 holy 1 shadow

[craggy oak]

We did have 2, now we only have 1, swapped to holy pally the pleb

He was my pi bot

[solid venture]

I was wondering the same last night, but its always the same person getting PI and faeries...
Fucking warlocks

[limber lion]

@slow marsh Assa sims around 150 dps more than Sub now with bis profiles.

Is Assa still copium?

[solid venture]

[normal mist]

[solid venture]

What happened

[limber lion]

Found some gains involving more aggressive bleed reapplication during Vend

[hollow river]

Unfortunately yes

(I’m kidding)

[normal mist]

How come

[craggy oak]

Does this meen sim now gets ct in for the overhang too as a priority at the trade off of lesser overhang duration of rup + gar

[limber lion]

Quite the opposite, the sim was not reapplying dots toward the end aggressively enough.

[solid venture]

What does that entail? Just spam refresh bleeds outside of pandemic window when vendetta has like more than 4-5 sec left and then refresh gar rup again at the last few seconds?

[limber lion]

Nothing changes rotationally

We play the exact same as we have

But now the sim does it better

[solid venture]

Aha

[limber lion]

You reapply bleeds toward the end as you always have, now the sim does that as well

[craggy oak]

Ah ok

No practical application just sim stuff then

[solid venture]

We back to being the superior spec boys, sub players in shambles rn

[craggy oak]

Until it comes to keys but we dont talk bout aoe in here

[normal mist]

We don't

[fallen fable]

Got PI first time on progress this season. That feels sooooo good.

[craggy oak]

Do we have updated pi % increase since snapshot tech, i have old sheet.

[fallen fable]

yeah was just thinking where could i find it

[hollow river]

Have you had the chance to try faeries at all since 4p+dusk? Maybe even in heroic or anything?

[craggy oak]

One in dk disc pins, but i imagine outdated for sin

[hollow river]

I’m wondering if I would just desync Vendetta and Flag

[limber lion]

I have not. I've gotten some randomly during heroic clears, but I only noticed after the kill. I never ask for externals, sometimes randoms just slap em on randomly

[hollow river]

For the Faeries affected vendettas

Or hold Flag for my 3rd vendetta

Instead of holding vendetta for Flag

I don’t think that’ll work either though

[craggy oak]

Is there a world where its just not worth the effort?

[hollow river]

Nah

[craggy oak]

How big is tge reduction

[hollow river]

Even without Flag you’d have PI for those specific vendettas

20 seconds

[craggy oak]

Extra vendetta every 3 mins kinda nice

I imaginr you would have too look at timers for bosses see if they line up nice for you to just send

[hollow river]

Well atm the target would be Halondrus

[craggy oak]

Then free send

[hollow river]

So timings hardly matter

[craggy oak]

^

[hollow river]

Just thinking about more consistent damage as the top 2 dps are the enhancement shaman and I

And I’ve been playing sub, we’re both slot machines

[solid venture]

Are there any sims regarding pi and faerie combo? I wanna bribe my RL into giving me the juice for halondrus

[hollow river]

I don’t think so.

Even the PI sheet is slightly outdated afaik

[limber lion]

Bis sub sim

17 064

Bis Assa sim

[solid venture]

[fallen fable]

ez

im currently simming 15k. More cookies to eat to get there

[craggy oak]

Now that sim does bleed application better, can someone run pi vs no pi sim, at work on phone otherwise i would.

[fallen fable]

I have no idea how to do it

[tropic rover]

Dropped a 278 BOE helm in my main raid and I'm so tempted to equip and catalyze it instead of sell

[craggy oak]

Do it

[tropic rover]

So much gold tho. If it doesn't sell before reset I may

[craggy oak]

Gold is temporary, parses are forever

[hollow river]

That much gold is not temporary

[tropic rover]

Yeah exactly lol

[hollow river]

If you use it to start building and making more gold

But I’m a goblin so I’m biased

Also

You can catalyst ANY 278 helm

[tropic rover]

Yeah exactly

[hollow river]

I’d sell tf out of it

[tropic rover]

Like if I ever get a helm in the box I'll feel like a twat

[hollow river]

Yep

And it’s only a matter of time until you get one

I’ve already got all 278 pieces banked for catalyst

I have for over 2 weeks

[rotund oak]

Im doing arenas on my horde rogue,nothing special though,just farming elite gear

serves certain purposes 😉

[normal mist]

Luckely I got it like 3 weeks ago

Same day I got 4/4

[hollow river]

How hard is it to get elite gear

That’s 2100 right

[charred vector]

1800 for the xmog actual elite gear to wear is 2,4

[violet jackal]

Depends how good are you

[hollow river]

The way sin is playing in pvp rn I don’t think you need to be very good at all for 2k+

[hollow river]

Oh it’s only 1800 for the mog?

And you just unlock the entire set when you cap 1800? Or

[normal mist]

You get pieces along the way

The final two are head and shoulders at 1800

[spice spire]

Sell

[normal mist]

In this case unlocking the appearances

I guess it's like 1200/1400/1600/1800

[flint raptor]

i wish the 4set piece was an AOE aura instead of the primary vendetta target lookin for more CT dmg ^^

[spark cloud]

for pve, how much haste do you guys have? now granted ive only just started the move back to assa from outlaw with my return to the game today so half my gear needs fixing. but im at 17% haste and some change rn and it feels kinda slow. like i wanna be able to press a button but im starved

[spice spire]

Numbers don’t matter damage is damage.
Obviously just follow what sim says and you’re chuckling

Also you’re low ilvl it’ll just up over time

[spark cloud]

yeah i went on quite a break after nathria lmao.

but does the spec just have that awkward energy starved feel all throughout like it did in (WoD? i think)

[rotund oak]

its fairly easy with a priest in 2s,KS/shiv on cd,1st 2nd 3rd trade,u most likely win

[spice spire]

AG. Wouldn’t worry about stats so much until close to BiS ilvl is almost always an upgrade, save rings and trinkets

[spice spire]

Yes and no. So it does, outside of vendetta windows. But it’s smooth enough you shouldn’t be too starved.

[spark cloud]

because i know during season 1 i was just outlaw and it was free to quite literally spam whatever button i wanted without a need to wait for energy. but i was optimally built and top ilvl at the time. the energy starved feeling is so sluggish lol but assa spec home spec since MoP

[rotund oak]

Outlaw/Rdrood is stronger than Assa/Priest right now

they literally stop every go

always got something to respond,its pretty crazy

[raven vapor]

Could I get a log review?

[hybrid vale]

sounds like a bunch of dampening

outlaw rdruid lol

sounds like legion demo lock

and hpal

[rotund oak]

outlaw doesnt rly dampen taht much but ye

can do that as well

very durable brawler

[hybrid vale]

there was a team i think it was brain and a demo lock i dont remember they had like a 500-30 record or something

[spice spire]

Post it, I’m at work, otherwise id do it for you. But I can create a thread

[rotund oak]

and its superstrong into lock/mages

[hybrid vale]

outlaw doesn't do much dmg tho

relative to assass

[spice spire]

Worst case, no one does and I review in 16 hours

[rotund oak]

ye,dunno kinda slaps

outlaw is doing pretty good rn in arena

[hybrid vale]

i saw it in the awc

doesn't do much dmg thats why they couldn't blind lock it

[rotund oak]

outlaw is stronger into melee cleaves

but its fine into lock/mages some times

[raven vapor]

Jailer HC
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BJaRg9cx48q6b7ZL#fight=8&type=damage-done&source=18

Skolex M
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LF9DHbXhTktzPMCR#fight=5&type=damage-done&source=17

Struggling to get out of the 80 range just wondering where I can improve

[hybrid vale]

90 second blind is op

[rotund oak]

its jsut that sub is on another universe

in pvp

cant compare to assa or outlaw

[hybrid vale]

you think outlaw would be good into like a tsg?

id oubt

[rotund oak]

turbo/tsg its fine

[hybrid vale]

feel like you'd get absolutely owned

turbo

[rotund oak]

not rly

[violet jackal]

#pvp

[rotund oak]

yy sry

[spice spire]

Larill Log Review

[hybrid vale]

ya man jeez

hot take but i hate playing was master assassin in most content

subterfuge just so versatile

[hollow river]

But assa is one shotting rn

[rotund oak]

U cant oneshot that easily with roar/bash/clone/blind/disarm

and outlaw has alot more cdr so he is kinda in ur face with offensive evasions/feints all the time

plays more vanishes

[hollow river]

If you CC properly they die in your stun

[rotund oak]

ye thats how assa can win but its not always ideal

ppl learn to f-up goes all the time

[hybrid vale]

i'd imagine you get hard countered by holy pally comps as assa anyway

[hollow river]

I suppose. Idk I’ve seen some gnarly stuff this patch.

[hybrid vale]

outlaw has no counter in 2's

in 3's tho

[rotund oak]

sub/mage

[hybrid vale]

think they dont do enough dmg

[rotund oak]

shts on outlaw

outlaw gets deleted

instantly

[hybrid vale]

shits on pretty much everything no?

[rotund oak]

ye,pretty much,sub/mage has no coutners

maybe hunter comps

[hybrid vale]

sv hunter pally

maybe

ive seen whaaz on stream against that and hes just like gives up immediately

or sv hunter priest

[rotund oak]

hahahaha he loses his temper sometimes 😄

anyway,its not pvp channel,plz dotn taunt me 😄

[hybrid vale]

u started it again D:

[rotund oak]

was talking to nonyan cmon bruh

[hybrid vale]

true i just wanted to finish that convo and now im good haha

doing dailies in zm

🙂

[slow marsh]

Am I red or blue

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

Your heart is blue 💙

[slow marsh]

Cap for sure

[hollow river]

You will join the dark side

[slow marsh]

I had my emo phase im over it now

[hollow river]

Oh so no more outlaw got it

[slow marsh]

I haven't touched outlaw this tier but i still do wish I could play it for aoe / cleave fights yeah

[hollow river]

Can’t it do decently on pantheon

[slow marsh]

Maybe

I mean to be fair it can be decent on any fight really. But decent isn't quite good to me

[spare crow]

how many targets there have to be to stop using garrote/rupture and just spam fan of knives/serrated

for example in high keys, if the tank pulls 10+ targets with no priority one, how should i rotate?

[peak bobcat]

Outlaw is good on pantheon

[rotund oak]

no sht 😛

[spice spire]

You’ll always use garrote rupture, because you’ll lose energy regen if you don’t.
Maintaining CT will go up in prio, and sbs can be used as a filler. It’s the same opener and same everything, quad garrote, CT, sbs sbs rupture garrote sbs rupture sbs rupture so on so forth, fok to spread etc.

There’s no distinct rotation per se as seal fate is a crux we often deal with, you’ll always be changing your move on the fly due to this. The big thing is, maintain CT and as many bleeds as possible, then use the abilities you listed as a filler until under 3 (for fok)

[spare crow]

so even on 10 targets

i try to apply garrote AND rupture to at least 4 of them

at the same time maintain CT

and SBS in between applications of bleed?

and then fan of knives if all of these are done

[autumn frost]

Depends on how long they are going to live

Dont bother garotting if they die shortly after.

[spare crow]

let's say it's a 20+ key and the tank just pulled

i would just like to know how to engage the fight

[spice spire]

SSDD,

[spare crow]

as assassination

[spice spire]

Garrote x4, CT, blah blah blah

[spare crow]

what's ssdd

[spice spire]

Same shit different day

[spare crow]

ah k

[spice spire]

Nothing changes on the opener on pull count; more bleeds = more energy regen = spam abilities

Also agyer CT, I’d probably fok for a pack that large instead of spreading sbs, then I’d spread sbs 😛 just to get poisons on everything

[spare crow]

ty

[hybrid vale]

this might be the first wow expansion ever where i opened the flying meta and it only took me an hour to do what was needed to get it

good job blizz

[slim olive]

is there a bug with our set that would cause 2 rogues to cuck each other on mythic lords of dread?

[iron orchid]

a bug was found this morning involving 2 sin rogues using their shiv and one of them not getting the 2p proc

basically the debuff from 2p is rn flagged as 'unique per boss' which means only one of the rogues applying it will benefit from the debuff

this is not specific to the LoD fight tho, but specific to a 2 sin rogues minimum situation

[slim olive]

Sheesh thanks for clearing that up, yeah I get it

[hardy dagger]

[brazen zodiac]

@spice spire ur so cool

[spice spire]

No u

[subtle tundra]

but you really are so cool

acceept it

[spice spire]

Refuse,

[brazen zodiac]

ur also just so cool

[dry hedge]

Would a workaround to 2pc shiv interactions be using shiv on different targets when that applys? We happen to run two mut rogues lol

[limber lion]

"Only Cev and Push unironically think Assa is good"

But glad to have ya back :')

[slow marsh]

unironically

[limber lion]

Oh yeah

Oops

Soery me no englando

[slow marsh]

but yes i am have sinned against god and man

[limber lion]

Good to have ya

[slow marsh]

alas the prodigal son has returned

[limber lion]

Time to blast

[slow marsh]

Sin is still shit to play with adds but halo prog last night was fun

[subtle tundra]

wtf

assa bis

[ebon notch]

We do so much aoe during lords dood

[solid venture]

[hardy dagger]

Ngl the new venthyr tech i alot of fun

[spare crow]

Is theotar in ST only better than nadja if you get haste tea?

or regardless of tea

[proper tapir]

Maybe, you should Sim it. The input is in sin FAQ channel.

[iron orchid]

you progged LoD as sin yesterday ?

[limber lion]

Yeah, play Theotar with haste, Nadja without

Nadja honestly slaps everywhere

Can just always play Nadja regardless

[solid venture]

how much are you simming rn cev?

[strange python]

Cevs awake!

Do you have the how-to on making afenars pandemic work during vend?

Someone said you might

[limber swallow]

https://wago.io/rk2kEs76d <-- use that

[subtle tundra]

we killed

[native belfry]

Is it shiv or poison cond on nadja?

[iron orchid]

Yeaah I checked you rio kill thingy

killed andy and LoD same night ?

[strange python]

Do I have to do anything other than import? This should statically update the afenars right?

[limber swallow]

I had to import it and move it into place, delete afenar's rupture / garrote timer

[subtle tundra]

obv

lod was a 16 puller

[iron orchid]

Well

gratz

[subtle tundra]

i wonder if 2 raid nights is enough for rygelon

to get the kill this week

[strange python]

This sounds stressful for my lazy ass

[spice spire]

@strange python

[strange python]

You're adding those as conditions to each dot?

[spice spire]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

Every time I tell myself I’m just running nadjia for sin, I roll haste tea when I’m about to do a key

[hybrid vale]

@gusty mirage i dont mean to be obnoxious, but why would you play venthyr in a key when necrolord is available hehe

[gusty mirage]

Because I don’t play assassination in keys

[hybrid vale]

oh i thought u said u were running nadjia for key

[strange python]

Do you have vendetta pandemic timers handy for garrote, rup, and CT?

[spice spire]

I do not

Not at computer currently

And won’t be for another 13 hours more than likely

[hybrid vale]

necrolord assa in keys probably still can';t compete with assa but i can't imagine it not slaying

acutally, now that i look at raider.io

seeing assa rogues in +28's

[subtle tundra]

hi

[hybrid vale]

ya you

[subtle tundra]

only reason i've played it is for the ST, and thats venthyr

also necro

but thats

uh

i flame my team

if i have to play necro assa

[hybrid vale]

every time i look at the raider.io, the healers change

is it just dependent on teh weekly affix

[subtle tundra]

wdym healer change

[hybrid vale]

last week when i went to front page it was alot of shamans and priests

now its a. ton of pallies too

[subtle tundra]

yea all 3 are stronk

[hybrid vale]

i couldnt find a pally last week

on the front page in na

[subtle tundra]

NA

good joke!

[hybrid vale]

i dont play eu so i like to look at na, plus chinese players always does weird stuff and it throws me off

i learned my lesson with not trying to copy chinese meta

for whatever reason tho it only shows u as necrolord

[subtle tundra]

its not like EU and NA play different games

why only look at one region

[gusty mirage]

You sure? Us NA boys seem to be playin a dif game

[hybrid vale]

i love how blood dk's talent tree is just stuffed to the brim and on my prot warr its like choose between thunder clap 5 yd wider and 6% haste

i never looked into bdk

they look insanely tough

[gusty mirage]

Yeah they gut prot warrior in SL pre patch

It was truly unfort

[hybrid vale]

will of the necropolis while below 30% health reduce dmg by 30%

jsut perma shield wall under 30% lmao

[hybrid vale]

they don't but the metas for certain roles are quit different when you filter na from world

at lesat in the top 0.1%

[subtle tundra]

not really, just that its still early tier

people play whatever rn

you will see a stable meta later

[brazen zodiac]

never

sin4life

new tattoo actually

[subtle tundra]

like our comp is rlly stong, but it has no disease dispell

some things are really hard

our tyra pf will always be -1 max keylevel

[hybrid vale]

it's highly possible that aton of these ppl are just the same team on diff alts so it scews the first few pages

by the names it seems likely

[brazen zodiac]

lol?

maybe they all play hardcore path of exile

they make a character and just put wieruqwoireqwrqwr as a name

[hybrid vale]

varas how many healers does your team healer play

[subtle tundra]

1

[hybrid vale]

it is sad

by team, are u going for mdi or just for fun

feel like you'd want them to be good at multiple if competing

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

no

for fun gaming

[brazen zodiac]

[hybrid vale]

oh that's clean

so how many of the dungeons do you plan to play as assa over sub

slash affix combos

[glass tulip]

I'll just get sinscheme tramp stamp

[gusty mirage]

Hot

[strange python]

I've just realized simming is good by an extent, have 6 different items in my bag that are upgrades simming with those I get less dps in the sim than without them on ST

22% combined upgrade but I get 200 less dps lol

[spice spire]

[ember mural]

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8VocHiAKgT2YRsL9L35cpU

This one is going by top logs Crit>haste>mastery>versa

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uqQTENCSZrTDSzBgn5anA8

This one is by sims

Basically equping stuff by sims

Wtf

[loud light]

...what

[strange python]

Even the ilvl is higher, does the sim work with ilvl?

[carmine dawn]

You know about margin of error right?

And standard deviation

[strange python]

Ye I do but more crit gives a smaller margin of error?

crit is an rng stat right while others arent?

[loud light]

I'm confused what you're trying to show here

[carmine dawn]

It has nothing to do with stats. It’s a statistics impact on the sim

[ember mural]

just do a top gear sim, why are you doing quick sims

[strange python]

Idk im confused about everything atm

[spice spire]

Wait why are we doing quick vs top gear

Literally download simulationcraft

Type /simc in your chat

And go to down on all combos

[strange python]

I was told to quick sim swaping gear out

[loud light]

my best guess is he thinks there are static stat weights and is surprised that following static stat weights didn't result in dps going up

[carmine dawn]

Who told you this

[strange python]

I cant quite remember

[carmine dawn]

[strange python]

Someone few weeks ago

[ember mural]

[autumn frost]

They lied

[carmine dawn]

Ok well

[autumn frost]

Use top gear

[carmine dawn]

Use top gear

[ember mural]

Use top gear

[strange python]

Alright thanks guys Im new to retail pve

[spice spire]

AG

[carmine dawn]

Yeah the game is confusing

No worries

[grim tangle]

how much crit do I need to play sin rogue

[carmine dawn]

34%

[ember mural]

[carmine dawn]

Wait fuck I just looked up your toon, you want 34.3%

[strange python]

69

[carmine dawn]

Goodluck

[grim tangle]

I'm at 36% unfortunately

[carmine dawn]

That’s a rough spot. Might wanna re roll

[spice spire]

GG go next tier ig

[glass tulip]

cries in 38%

gonna delete toon and play evoker

[carmine dawn]

If you can’t tell everyone is memeing then run a sim, there is no magic number @grim tangle

[spice spire]

Anbob is also memeing

I’m 99.9% sure

[carmine dawn]

As if I come here often enough

[glass tulip]

[spice spire]

He’s a frequent gamer 😛

[glass tulip]

get moderated nerd

[spice spire]

Yo Jake you good king?

[glass tulip]

titty emote

[spice spire]

I didn’t even do that

[glass tulip]

Paryah is always watching

[gusty mirage]

[carmine dawn]

No one is allowed to yoink my emotes

[spice spire]

As if it weren’t already

[carmine dawn]

Bro stop that’s a work emote

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[ember mural]

[carmine dawn]

Shit I’m late for a meeting

[gusty mirage]

It’s hilarious to tap the emote and see it’s from my server

[spice spire]

Gl Jake

But before you go

@carmine dawn check DMs

[carmine dawn]

ing

@oak sky check DMs

[slow marsh]

Use top gear

[gusty mirage]

Ty

[balmy condor]

Check DMs

[spice spire]

@balmy condor check DMs

[balmy condor]

@spice spire use top gear

[spice spire]

Ty