#assassination

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ebon notch
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you love that sim dps

limber lion
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yeah maybe

slow marsh
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I didn't farm cos ring cuz i thought i was gonna perma bench myself for prog cuz i'm not really enjoying the game

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but now i'm in for halo cuz too many monkeys

limber lion
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I'm really enjoying the game

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A lot

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I'm having a lot of fun as Assa

bleak sky
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Colour is already down a rogue, right?

limber lion
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but not sure if I can say the same in one months time

bleak sky
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Olofsson not playing?

limber lion
alpine latch
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Man, Cev - I just pulled up your profile to see how much damage DoTs did and ... holy fuck

limber lion
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They've pretty much always had 2 rogues

oak sky
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Bro its fun learning sub on hal but like im gonna need that sin fix back on andy

slow marsh
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I mean sin was/is fun for certain fights to me but like the 4p just makes anything with adds feel super depresso

limber lion
oak sky
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Nah man i like my raid complaining

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They always get pissy that im a one trick

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Now i get to prove im not and thry all get mad

kindred rapids
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dunno why you'd switch sub for halondrus

alpine latch
oak sky
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Then i can be a one trick again

alpine latch
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No one ever did

iron orchid
slow marsh
iron orchid
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Me sad

kindred rapids
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not really important

oak sky
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Because i wanted to

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?

slow marsh
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double step is important kekw wut

kindred rapids
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you cloak one, step the next

slow marsh
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and then where do you drop bomb

bleak sky
oak sky
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Just be a bitch and halondrusDispel

bleak sky
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happens

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too much to pay attention on the fight

oak sky
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We're using a weak aura

kindred rapids
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yeah having to cloak dispels sucks

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but I guess you can always gateway instead

bleak sky
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I need to get bombs

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I'm not gatewaying anything

ebon notch
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even with this

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i cloak first one only tho

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and save cloak for saving any motes

next cedar
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Do you still sometimes have the venthyr that only gives 1 stack and stays at 1 stack the whole time ?

autumn frost
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I use ambush when my mut fails to crit on opener.

ebon notch
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because ive seen our ranged literally dodge them

bleak sky
autumn frost
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Using mfd i already have snd going

bleak sky
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it's not even worth to do prepull mfd into snd

autumn frost
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Mut garrote puts you at 3, then i ambusg.

bleak sky
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legit 10 dps gain

autumn frost
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10dps is 10 dps

bleak sky
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what cursed build are you playing

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that you get mfd and ssubterfuge

kindred rapids
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Lol

autumn frost
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You still have to garottw on the opener before you throw out flag

slow marsh
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the one that 10 dps matters because he's fighting for every bit of the -80 for using subt

bleak sky
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man what build is this

autumn frost
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Oh wait

bleak sky
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why are you venthyr subterfuge for single target

autumn frost
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Mythic+ venthyr

ebon notch
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absolute machinegun

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for 6 seconds

autumn frost
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What do you run?

slow marsh
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sub

bleak sky
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subtlety

slow marsh
autumn frost
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Ewww sub

hollow river
slow marsh
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it's m+

bleak sky
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I played sin last season

slow marsh
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I did NW as sin and only did 15k

bleak sky
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but I don't want to touch it this season

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fuck that

ebon notch
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im literally being assigned to kidney an add on anduin

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with prey on the weak

bleak sky
ebon notch
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💀

bleak sky
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like legit decent

slow marsh
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no

ebon notch
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i mean yeah

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but no

slow marsh
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it's a meme

bleak sky
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1 cp kidney fuck it

autumn frost
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Helping others

ebon notch
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10% extra damage from all sources

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is good

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i just want less things to do so they can bench me

slow marsh
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wasting cp to do it isn't good

bleak sky
slow marsh
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but ig if nobody else is going to then

slow marsh
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it's only not wasting if you bring sin and leave them on boss the entire time right

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Sin rogue should just be treated like melee demo without implosion

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and its fine

ebon notch
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in p2

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so i just mfd the add im kidneying

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and i get it back while im downstairs

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theoretically its not a waste

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its just a pain in the ass

slow marsh
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fair

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i still think sin should just stay up if demo stays up tho

hollow river
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I agree

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Even sub should stay up. Though it’s better than sin at going down

slow marsh
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sub can symbols adds and do actual damage without losing any value

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they even do prey strat better cuz cheap

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gives cp

hollow river
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Yeah it’s jus downtime is downtime ig

slow marsh
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but sub has a function for going down

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and can do relevant add damage

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to big boi

hollow river
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In heroic we sent demo down

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And sub rogues stayed up

ebon notch
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the problem is that when you are so ridiculously handsome consistent and well endowed as a player

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they keep asking you to do all the annoying and boring shit

hollow river
ebon notch
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i fucking wished

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on god

hollow river
ebon notch
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but im too consistent

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im cursed

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something about being "reliable"

slow marsh
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i feel the pain

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its fine for stuff that's just annoying or whatever

hollow river
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Our roster is just really nice rn so rogues are sat if they aren’t good for the boss

slow marsh
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but when you're trolling your role as a dps

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feelsbad

ebon notch
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i mean yeah

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but i still compete on dam while doing boring shit

hollow river
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Ye for sure

ebon notch
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at the end of the day killing the boss is whats important

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as annoying as it is

slow marsh
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ofc

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having dps specs playing to the strengths of their specs makes bosses die quicker

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tho

autumn frost
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Thats if you like your guild!

ebon notch
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yeah you arent wrong bladey boi

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im on 4 hours sleep

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i stayed up learning how to play ele last night

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it was a mistake

hollow river
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Lmfao

slow marsh
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a mistake that you got no sleep for sure

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learning ele tho

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🧃

ebon notch
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its better than enhance

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enhance was destroying my wrists

hollow river
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How

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Oh

autumn frost
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Every shaman must play enhanced

slow marsh
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ele is slept on hard rn because of the nerfs before patch

autumn frost
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Need my windfury

hollow river
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One of our enh went ele for Halondrus

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Idk why

autumn frost
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Really?

slow marsh
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ele also slept on cuz destro is a thing rn but still

hollow river
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He do way less damages

bleak sky
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not playing the top performing spec on halo

autumn frost
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The autoattack not missing XD

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Probably because ranged have mymuch easier time then melee on halondrus

hollow river
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We have plenty of melee though

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Yeah

slow marsh
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tbh i lowkey want to finish leveling my sham

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and gear it for ele

autumn frost
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Seems silly though

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The only other approved spec other then rogue is enhanced.

slow marsh
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tell that to all the warrior alts

hollow river
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Warrior is pretty poggers

limber lion
bleak sky
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yikes

ebon notch
strange python
valid leaf
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FoK on 3 targets yay or nay

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Can i treat them like shuriken storm kinda?

oak sky
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3T yes

tropic rover
strange python
bleak sky
oak sky
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with 30% buff we fok on 3t now bro

tropic rover
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Do they also think ranged have it harder on Skolex?

oak sky
strange python
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Every time melee would die we'd get scolded with some shit like "this is a ranged fight, you can't be dying to anything, ranged need the practice"

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Yes.

bleak sky
oak sky
tropic rover
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Ngl I struggled on it. Trialing with a new guild and didn't have the wa

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Casting eye beam is a pain

bleak sky
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wa plays the game for you on skolex

oak sky
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^

tropic rover
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Ya it does

strange python
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I just kinda go quiet and say okay when they complain about how melee is easy and ranged is hard

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Warlock in nathria was the easiest time I've had in a raid in my life tho

tropic rover
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I came back this tier very late, like 3 weeks ago

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I've actually not killed heroic Skolex yet lmao

bleak sky
strange python
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Moreso than ranged is easy

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Although finding time to DPS on sire was hard I guess.

tropic rover
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That's a ranged brain take

oak sky
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i dont really think either is always harder

strange python
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But that's more because of ramp than anything

oak sky
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some shit really punishes each

strange python
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Maybe. On the whole I think melee is substantially harder to play, but easier to parse.

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Most ranged specs have some truly degenerate shit required to parse

oak sky
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idk about that

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and parses arent a matter of difficulty at all so

tropic rover
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Ranged is certainly easier in keys

oak sky
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yeah but we're talking about raid

strange python
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Aff lock dot management on 4 targets and sniping shards was surely harder to 99 than any rogue fight I've done

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But that's niche

bleak sky
tropic rover
strange python
tropic rover
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You need to leave lmao

bleak sky
strange python
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No decent guilds recruiting rogue at this stage of prog LMAO

glass tulip
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dont ranged just step around the beams at max range

bleak sky
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THEY SAW THIS VIDEO

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AND THOUGHT MELEE HAVE IT EASY?

oak sky
strange python
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They think bombs are the hard part

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For p1/2

glass tulip
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KEKW

oak sky
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melee do bombs too

strange python
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We like 4 shot it when we hit p3 because our melee are chads

simple wadi
oak sky
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world first halondrus kill had melee carriers

glass tulip
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rogue team WICKED

oak sky
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yeah im 2nd set of bombs

tropic rover
oak sky
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im rogue team

strange python
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250 pulls to hit p3, then we smacked it because our meele slam

strange python
tropic rover
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Nah I didn't think it was no worries

strange python
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Sad fact is rogue doesn't bring utility and therefore isn't mandatory for prog, so no one will take a new player till farm at this stage.

tropic rover
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Yep

strange python
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Maybe if you were mandatory like a lock

tropic rover
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Here I am wishing I could find time to raid a second night a week 🥲

glass tulip
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sweats in my guild actively looking for new rogue to replace a dh

strange python
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Y'all good?

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Am rogue I do dam

glass tulip
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we are 5/11 on week 2 on mythic raiding

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so decent

strange python
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I wanna stay HoF :(

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Ego too strong

glass tulip
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yeah not quite, we got a late start

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I feel you

oak sky
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my guild is pretty bad

strange python
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My rl friends are bad with egos. I need to put them in place

oak sky
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and we're ahead of anvil raiding every day OMEGAKEKW

strange python
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Is he kitui

tropic rover
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Anvil LOL

strange python
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Kitui is the hero

glass tulip
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I don't know what his name was back then, but no

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legion MDI player and such

strange python
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I'm ji I think kitui has been exorcised

tropic rover
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Ik it was a joke but I wish that the post for them needing to do side jobs for wow tokens was real

oak sky
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kitui used to message me about joining but i didnt trust it bro

strange python
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He made us do an all-guild hearing about whether or not to kick a trial. Appointed prosecutor and defense

broken flame
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I just looted 278 cache from xymox, what proc should I use as assassination for ST? The haste for big bleeds?

strange python
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Because he was bored

glass tulip
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kinda fire though

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!cache

prisma monolithBOT
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Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

glass tulip
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@broken flame ^

broken flame
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Oh thanks

strange python
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Ice

broken flame
strange python
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You dodged a bullet

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Kitui makes clout gang look friendly

oak sky
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lmaoo

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i think i got like 1 dm from him

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long way back

strange python
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You know the guild recruitment disc?

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Run by that sieara person?

oak sky
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no

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how does it work

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i think ive heard of it

strange python
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He tried to doxx her when she banned his guild

oak sky
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what the

strange python
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It's just a massive discord for guild recruiting

tropic rover
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Holy shit

oak sky
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do they like post people there or something

glass tulip
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yeah its tons and tons of posts

strange python
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People and guilds

glass tulip
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for guilds, players, etc

oak sky
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because someone said they saw my name in the guild recruitment disc but im not in there

strange python
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Wait youre on zj right?

oak sky
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tich

strange python
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Have you heard of modern?

oak sky
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na

strange python
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Oh its ice on zj

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Moderns gm had a kid in the basement that wasn't his

glass tulip
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looks like this ag

unknown.png
oak sky
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ye im not in there

strange python
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I think some people in ices guild used to be in modern

glass tulip
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wait so I missed the memo, who is Kitui

strange python
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Just an insane GM

oak sky
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but someone that dmed me an invite or interest said they saw me in the guild recruitment disc

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which i thought was really weird

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might have been prewritten ig

bleak sky
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yeyah

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saw you on wowprog and then you got the dm

oak sky
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yeah

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bro nobody dms me anymore

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that shit was good for my ego

glass tulip
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well if you arent looking you wont get messages omegalul

oak sky
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yeah i havent updated my wowprog in a while

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but i also don't want random 4/11 guilds messaging me

glass tulip
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set minimum requirements

oak sky
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i probably did

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its rough rn though

bleak sky
oak sky
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because

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now i dont want to miss halondrus

glass tulip
strange python
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If you post looking on wowprog your guild usually finds out

bleak sky
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hey you're 5/11 you're fine

strange python
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There's a bit that messages

oak sky
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my guild doesnt care bro

strange python
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Lol

oak sky
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i told my gm i was looking for a guild at the end of last tier

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just every opportunity i had didnt work out

strange python
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I'm gonna get the mount first

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Lol

bleak sky
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drop it on first kill

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leave

strange python
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We have an order :/

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I'm 17

oak sky
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bruh what

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you know i never dropped vengeance myself

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our tank had to give me it

strange python
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I looted vengeance 12 times before getting it

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Because of sales

oak sky
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and me and our warlock kept saying we were gonna get it the same week, but what ended up happening is our tanks both got it and traded it to us

strange python
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Wait guys were off topic

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Lol

oak sky
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back

glass tulip
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trying to practice getting a good bleed overhang

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I get mine cut short sometimes and it feels extra bad

oak sky
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just keep working on it eventually it just feels smooth

glass tulip
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yeah I always get the garrote with 1-2 seconds left

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but I am forgetting to rupture before

strange python
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I usually feel like I'm not getting a last second garrote, but a last second CT

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With like 6 sec of garrote as I leave vend

oak sky
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hmm

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should be like

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idk its all planning

strange python
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Yeah I've been playing sub for prog so I haven't practiced or looked into much

oak sky
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right

glass tulip
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well garrote pandemic is only 1.8 during vendetta, max timer is 9?

oak sky
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yeah you literally just have to consciously think about when your bleeds are dropping

peak bobcat
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the garrote at 7 seconds left in vendetta is the most important thing

glass tulip
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so ideally you are tossing one at 2 seconds left and having 10 seconds of hang

peak bobcat
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pandemic or not

strange python
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Ideally I wanna do garrote and rupture as my last casts, but CT is so damn short duration

oak sky
glass tulip
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agree tyler

peak bobcat
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so you can garrote at 1 sec

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if you practice that, the rest is easy

oak sky
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and the thing with rupture is just watching if your rupture will drop off at about 1 second and if it won't you can send it start of pandemic

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and then you just refresh between 2 and 0 seconds on vendetta

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get your overhang insta shiv

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gg

glass tulip
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so 3 garrotes or 4 inside

oak sky
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no idea

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doesnt really matter does it

glass tulip
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1 second, 8, 15

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so sometimes you are starting with one

oak sky
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it can depend

iron orchid
glass tulip
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yeah for sure

oak sky
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you have to remember garrote isnt 7s, its 9s

glass tulip
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I think I am still just winging the other bleeds instead of consciously having an order

iron orchid
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at 15s left of vend, you just hit first env > mut > ct 2 > garrote

oak sky
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7s is just the earliest you can refresh it

iron orchid
oak sky
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yes

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but when you plan

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you dont plan around 7s

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you plan around 7-9s

iron orchid
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true

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sometimes i'm a bit slow and i can barely hit it on cd right before vend ends because i refreshed it too late, but that's better than letting it fade i guess

oak sky
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yeah i make the same mistake sometimes too

glass tulip
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off to the training dummies Comfy

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this seems like the pattern I will be trying to stick to, of course the rupture and CT casts depending on crits for CP

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CT fell off before so that was the only one not hung

strange python
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Ct feels like it's genuinely too short to get a solid overhang going anyways

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As long as you're not wasting finishers on envenom I have to imagine you're okay

vast loom
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should i focus on maintianing alacrity or should it just kinda happen

glass tulip
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it should just happen

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its nearly impossible to drop tbh

oak sky
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gar before ct mav

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higher average cp on ct

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more consistent more dam

glass tulip
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the one at 12 seconds?

oak sky
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nah the one right after ma mut

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or is that 12s

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idk

glass tulip
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yeah same one

pure moth
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that would put garrote to overcap wouldnt it?

glass tulip
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no since mut max is 4

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instead of chancing a 3cp CT

pure moth
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ah ya true

coral fable
glass tulip
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I'm imagining just a devouring blood timer

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idk about any secret wa that makes the fight easier lol

bleak sky
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yyeah just devouring blood timer

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that's the whole fight

oak sky
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Yep

limber lion
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My sim profile?

civic trellis
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Uhm I see

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I thought vent since flag could be delayed a bit for the 100% dmg buff

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Should be close tho

bleak sky
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idk ask cev

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he blasted on it and I'm sure he has thoughts on venth vs necro for lords

civic trellis
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@limber lion how much did you pull at lords with zoldyck?

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&necro

limber lion
brazen zodiac
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lol

spice spire
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23k sheesh

brazen halo
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I'm trying to decide whether or not to play Assassination mainly, I played Sin as main spec during Legion and Cataclysm, and never really played Sub, in terms of logs Sin seems a little ahead, but many more Sub players. Whats the consensus?

bleak sky
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top 100 for lords is all warlocks and survivals

bleak sky
limber lion
civic trellis
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Uhm what about holding flag for dps increase phase

limber lion
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You don't play Venthyr on LoD

civic trellis
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in lords

limber lion
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it's int

civic trellis
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rlly

limber lion
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Yes

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it's bad

spice spire
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And this is current status

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Historically it’s backwards - it seems

civic trellis
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Good I asked

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Was folliwing sims blindly

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following*

limber lion
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Even the sims suggest Necro Zoldyck

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lol

civic trellis
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mm not for me

limber lion
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Not sure what kind of sims you're looking at

brazen halo
limber lion
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But definitely not anything LoD-esq

bleak sky
bleak sky
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sub is very chill to play

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sin right now requires some brain

alpine latch
spice spire
limber lion
civic trellis
limber lion
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I have a private 100 on it, but my public parse is pretty bad

alpine latch
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Your logs are disgusting

limber lion
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I have r1 on every boss on every difficulty, most of the logs are just private

alpine latch
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😦

limber lion
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Starting mythic farm soon when Jailer goes down though

bleak sky
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sec

alpine latch
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Best I got is top 1000 (96% parse on VG), but it's Heroic

civic trellis
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Maybe garrote would make the diff

limber lion
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You're literally just simming 2t 5min

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not quite the same as LoD

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with vulnerability every 2 minutes

zinc frost
limber lion
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and lasting 8 mins

limber lion
civic trellis
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Yeah

limber lion
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No space on the team for an assa rogue unfortunately

zinc frost
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When farm comes around

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Assa fight for sure

brazen halo
limber lion
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Yeh, it's 100% an assa fight

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I'm positive it's much better for Assa than for Sub

summer adder
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it's a target dummy for melee

limber lion
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I can guarantee being #2 dps, just below the demo lock who gets PI's and BF's

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Yeh

bleak sky
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I didn't run stuff right

civic trellis
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Bah I am lazy to resim it

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with vuln

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😄

balmy condor
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don't need vuln

bleak sky
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yeah that was my sim as well but no vuln

civic trellis
bleak sky
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cev had a juicy sim for lords

limber lion
balmy condor
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wait but why am I 400 higher

limber lion
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not even on single target

bleak sky
balmy condor
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oh you simmed 7

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yeah

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that'll do it

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idk, I don't see much of a point simming longer or adding the vuln in

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it just makes the number bigger pretty much

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but aside from that there's no realized difference honestly

bleak sky
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but i'd just take it from cev

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if he thinks vendetta/flag get fucked up on lords

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I'd just not play venthyr either

blazing pumice
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two qs, 1. is mfd the play just to get more flag stacks? 2. the dots after vendetta run out are snapshotted with 4pc/flag yeah? do I want to shiv asap for them?

limber lion
blazing pumice
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ty

civic trellis
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Is it worth to hold shiv for vend in 2t?

hollow river
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Unless you’re positive you’d lose a cast or something but even then meh

limber lion
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@civic trellis

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Here's a sim with vulnerability and some jank

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Venthyr is 1.1k behind

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Dusk also losing by quite a bit

loud light
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flag is just a nightmare on that fight

civic trellis
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Thanks : )

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I think i am gonna start to play assa in all encounters

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It seems just better overall

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Rlly dynamic

strange python
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223 is for m+ only ye? Thought it was MA for raid

brazen halo
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Looking at logs (and from what people have said here earlier) Crimson Tempest is a default pick at the moment, but Icy Veins recommends Poison Bomb on single target. This likely has something to do with set, but I am mainly asking because the FAQ and pins don't have a rotation breakdown, is there a resource to read about the nuances of Sin at the moment?

strange python
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Icy veins is outdated

loud light
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Whispyr said he's updating the guides this weekend I think

strange python
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CT was already close to PB in single target, and vendetta with 4set amps CT

loud light
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Check out ceverion's pin about venthyr

bleak sky
brazen halo
bleak sky
#

there you go

sinful flicker
#

can you get 285 tier from vault if you only killed vigilant and skolex?

oak sky
#

Yes

sinful flicker
#

wait, does that mean you can get 285 ryg daggers if you dont even kill ryg on m?

strange python
#

No

#

Tier is a unique thing

#

They clearly didn't think far enough ahead on how tier would work with vault so it's a weird bandaid, but at least for once they tilted it in the players favor

limber lion
strange python
#

Scared me for a sec

north current
#

hi

#

venthyr nadija o mad duke??

balmy condor
#

they're both really close

#

I would just play nadjia tbh

north current
#

if i play nadjia, do i need to set mine rotacion with euphoria buff?

balmy condor
#

nah

#

you don't play around it at all

#

you just go triple potency and forget about it entirely

#

pretty chill

north current
#

tripple potency on nadija?

#

and dont use Dauntless Duelist?

#

or you talking about mad duke?

balmy condor
north current
#

aaaa nice, I can change it between them

#

ty 🙂

#

i played all time fea, but after i tryed venthyr

#

dat dmg eally nice with all bleeds:D

harsh anchor
#

Does cloaking the rings on sausage trigger the explosion

obtuse robin
#

yes

spare flame
#

Is assa good for killing adds on mythic lihuvium?

#

cds line up well?

hybrid vale
#

assa is good at everything

#

trust

#

sub is on its way out the door

#

soon it will ONLY BE ASSA

spare flame
#

pretty sure id hate assa on xymox atleast

hybrid vale
kindred rapids
#

just don't do platforms, ezpz

hybrid vale
#

you're just not well built for mass AoE no biggie, everything else is great

#

you're not going to be summoning 8 infernals and endless rains of fire

kindred heron
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
kindred rapids
#

it would be cool if we could though

hybrid vale
#

all warlocks are going to switch to the dps dragon soon anyway

kindred rapids
#

like a demonic rogue advanced class

spare flame
#

were just starting prog on lih and i just want to contribute to add deaths as much as my class al lows

hybrid vale
#

what is the problem then

spare flame
#

if assa cds dont line up well ill play sub

hybrid vale
#

i mean that option is always available to you

kindred rapids
#

they line up fine

#

you alternate cds between adds and boss

#

if that's what you want to do

hybrid vale
#

63 recorded assa parses this week on mythic lihv vs 755 sub. seems very possible to play assa

#

around same dps too

errant swallow
hybrid vale
#

im kidding ofc

#

they're both good

#

assa just better for us

quasi ledge
#

@spare flame It's super shit to Vendetta adds, but that's what I do because our comp has shitty small cooldowns or god forbid the Warlocks hold any cooldowns :)
But you hold everything until first add (I Mut > SnD > MfD > Rupture on opener, not the ideal opener but it gets MfD on CD so it's up for the add). But Vendetta/Flag every add and on cooldown once inbetween, lines up perfectly

brazen zodiac
#

HUH

quiet elbow
#

I'm venthyr using duskwalkers patch. Do I want to wait on vendetta to sync up with covenant ability?

blazing pumice
#

yes

drifting cloud
#

otherway around you wait for flag to before you vendetta

bitter aurora
#

!cache

prisma monolithBOT
#

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

quiet elbow
#

cheers gang

quiet elbow
#

So basically regardless of which comes back first, I want to save my venthyr ability and vendetta for eachother at all times?

blazing pumice
#

they will naturally near align

#

unless you cooked your flag or haven't been using energy

oak sky
#

They dont align perfectly though its typically a good 5-10s off

quiet elbow
#

Right

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gotta say i'm lovin it

oak sky
#

But you definitely always want to sync em up nice, vendetta will almost always come up a little early

slow marsh
#

look at these gamers on halondrus prog

brazen zodiac
#

pog

peak bobcat
#

yo

#

Asass fucking SLAPS on halondrus

hybrid vale
#

you mean assa is a single target guru

#

as the name would imply

peak bobcat
#

our one clean p3 pull

oak sky
hybrid vale
#

are you guys posting meters cause you need a boost?

#

a lift

muted condor
peak bobcat
#

an old inside joke

hybrid vale
#

il give u a boost

peak bobcat
#

I don't need a boost

hybrid vale
#

a lift?

peak bobcat
#

Nah lift @bleak sky to victory in my absence

vast loom
#

is there any WA's that let you know if a dot is snap shotted with 4p?

slow marsh
#

Not that i'm not comfy on sub but yeah it's just different ig

oak sky
#

you couldnt stay away

slow marsh
#

I mean I still think it's poopoo to play with any adds

#

but ST it's fine

bleak sky
#

I'M DOWN HORRENDOUSLY on halondrus

slow marsh
#

Why

peak bobcat
#

I'm not sure how you can do more dps with the way you guys currently juggle the bombs

timid cloud
#

I’m holding it down for the boys on Crab.

slow marsh
#

Are you

timid cloud
#

Also fuck that robot fight.

#

Yeah.

slow marsh
#

Same

timid cloud
#

I’m not gonna CD bots for reclear.

slow marsh
#

Playing nadjia and getting 30 stack flags without vanish is so juice

timid cloud
blazing pumice
#

hypothetically

#

you have like 2-3s left on vendetta

#

you get 4cps and garotte is on cd

#

do you mutilate again for 5cp rupture?

slow marsh
#

No

timid cloud
#

I’m also hitting 2p every shiv but it doesn’t even work 100% on Normal crab.

#

I feel like I’m doing something wrong. But it’s just weird.

slow marsh
#

?

timid cloud
slow marsh
#

WTF is this

timid cloud
#

Yeah.

#

I've been saying that for the past few months.

#

Did you think I was kidding?

#

LOL

#

It happens on all of my crab attempts in N/H I didn't check the Mythic logs but I'm pretty sure it was 100% for that.

slow marsh
#

Yeah I get it every time idk what you're doing

timid cloud
#

I am poking his legs, I even jump into the center of the boss to sometimes get it, or jump into the center.

#

I have tried every single angle possible on that boss.

slow marsh
#

Yeah idk sometimes I'm hitting at max range and I seem to not have any issues from what I see in logs from tonight

timid cloud
#

Even your H/N logs?

#

I'm gonna check my M ones in a second.

slow marsh
#

I don't do n/h anymore so idk

timid cloud
#

Yeah.

#

All of my M logs from any range hit with both abilities.

#

12 pulls, 100% hits on both debuffs.

slow marsh
#

Well then that's what counts poggo

timid cloud
#

But I like doing all the difficulties for mog...

#

Like this actually makes no sense, it's been driving me wild for ages.

#

Rent-free

strange python
#

How do you see the grudge match uptime

#

I wanna check mine now

balmy condor
#

warcraftlogs enemies debuff

strange python
#

Wait

#

I have 11 casts of shiv but grudge match was only up 8 yikes

#

Times

balmy condor
#

assassination secretly back in the dirt

timid cloud
#

But only for H/N...

strange python
#

Mythic

timid cloud
#

Very strange, I guess I could check M logs for others that killed the bosses?

#

Oh lawdy.

slow marsh
#

Weirdge mine didn't do that at all tonight that I see

strange python
#

That's...concerning

slow marsh
#

But also there were def pulls that I felt my damage seemed low

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And it wasn't just cuz I'm bad

balmy condor
strange python
#

Mass bug report?

balmy condor
#

I will weasel it in

strange python
#

Mine are private :/

slow marsh
#

Screenshot debuff showing its missing

strange python
balmy condor
#

that is less than helpful actually

strange python
#

Blame ice.

#

He told me to

timid cloud
#

kk sec

slow marsh
#

Well I am less than helpful so it aligns with my role here in RH

timid cloud
#

Oh did you check mine?

strange python
#

This is early prog I can ask if we can publicize it

balmy condor
#

I can go through and find some public logs it probably happens

vestal wren
#

is it only on halondrus?

strange python
#

I found it on at least three mythic and five heroic bosses

timid cloud
#

sec, omw

#

checking history I closed the tabs.

slow marsh
strange python
#

Heroic: lords of dread, rygelon, artificer, halondrus
Mythic: sausage, artificer, halondrus

slow marsh
#

Do any of those logs have 2 sin rogues ?

strange python
#

Wanna hear something weird?

#

I had 100% uptime on anduin

vestal wren
#

thats nice then ^^

#

dps 📈

slow marsh
#

Fuu is like cool grats lmao xd

timid cloud
#

Here's mine.

strange python
timid cloud
#

From a little bit ago.

strange python
#

That shit is fucking cooked

strange python
slow marsh
#

Ut oh

strange python
slow marsh
#

Bugged tier set

strange python
#

Kekw

slow marsh
#

This is new information for rogue

#

I wonder if guy will know what to do

timid cloud
#

I have been saying it for so long...

vestal wren
#

i mean all tier sets have some bugs

timid cloud
vestal wren
#

sub one can cause a cp lock,
outlaw one... i don't even want to start counting bugs,
sin bugs seem new

fleet anchor
slow marsh
#

Cydone actually has been tin foiling it for awhile now

timid cloud
strange python
fleet anchor
#

I mean, kinda serious lol

strange python
#

Wait!

#

No!

timid cloud
#

Says the Feral druid...

strange python
#

Our other rogue went sub on lihuv and I stayed sin and it happened

timid cloud
balmy condor
strange python
#

So that's not it

balmy condor
timid cloud
#

Whispyr back to the mines....

fleet anchor
#

I sure do love scripted set bonuses 😦

slow marsh
#

Whispyr is on the case! 🔎

craggy oak
slow marsh
#

Tier set is bugged guess they have to revert it to 100% oh no

#

Nothing we can do guys it's just bugged. It's the only way to fix it

balmy condor
#

I found one log in the top 20 skolex with it

strange python
#

Mythic skolex for me

balmy condor
#

I was supposed to update guides this weekend not chase down tier bugs

fleet anchor
#

Seemed to be fine this week on our Skolex for our other Rogue but idk

balmy condor
strange python
#

I cast 100 shivs on our first night of halondrus prog. And got 32 grudge matches.

#

Holy

slow marsh
#

Well it's weird that it seems to be so inconsistent

balmy condor
strange python
#

Yeah I have lots of fights where it's 100%

slow marsh
#

Usually bugs like that are pretty reproducible

strange python
balmy condor
#

bruh

slow marsh
#

Bro your guild already hates you what do you have to lose

#

It's for the betterment of the community

strange python
#

I wouldn't be able to make it public without their approval

balmy condor
#

no one gives a shit about some prog logs from a nobody guild

jaunty crystal
#

you can unlist logs

strange python
#

And whisp said the screenshots aren't helpful

jaunty crystal
#

so only people with a link can see it

strange python
#

I thought I had to be the logger

jaunty crystal
#

true

#

my bad

balmy condor
#

all my sin logs look fine

#

I found 1 skolex log

strange python
#

I'm asking. And I agree, no one cares, but they also will probably not care about the bug and just say no.

balmy condor
#

no one plays this dogshit spec though

#

gotta go through some rat ass heroic logs probably

fleet anchor
#

Could just have to do with the hitboxes and ranges or something who knows

slow marsh
#

13 Shivs 12 grudge match. 2 sin rogues

fleet anchor
#

1 is Sub

#

Cast Shiv at the start

vestal wren
slow marsh
#

Just kidding

vestal wren
#

seems fine

slow marsh
#

Lmao just a baddie

#

Well I tried to help but just made myself look dumb as per usual so I'll leave it to the brainiac ig

vestal wren
#

all fine

#

i mean, why would a sub rogue cast shiv monkahmm

strange python
#

I will say it happened to me once on a fight where I was the only sin

#

But it happens on almost every fight where we have 2

#

That puts a damper on our plans to run double sin on ryg and lords

#

Am I gonna have to ask our other rogue to sit or play sub when I wanna parse? Jesus

fleet anchor
#

Looks like only 1 Grudge Match debuff is able to be up at a time

solid venture
glass tulip
strange python
#

Should probably be coded as a personal buff instead of debuff

#

That feels like the most obvious fix

fleet anchor
#

Yeah big RIP

fallen raven
strange python
#

Welp. Are our beloved community figures going to help get this fixed? :)

fleet anchor
#

The real question is like

#

Do Grudge Matches work across multiple Rogues too

#

e.g. does my Grudge Match buff someone else

strange python
#

That would be bad

steel ridge
#

you are only speaking of halondrus?

slow marsh
#

Uwu double sin rogue staggering shivs

strange python
#

You'd get into degenerate shiv holding

#

Lol

fleet anchor
#

If it did, it would work on Sub Rogues too since they have Rupture 🤣

timid cloud
#

Any Rogue stackers?

strange python
#

Uhh

timid cloud
#

LOL

strange python
#

Should we check rupture damage during grudge match vs not?

fleet anchor
#

I guess I need to look closer at this log

strange python
#

Are cevs logs public? I know push is playing sub

timid cloud
#

The heroic ones are.

#

I think normal too.

strange python
#

Could check if pushs ruptures tick up during shiv

timid cloud
fleet anchor
#

Nah

#

Definitely not working

#

Just RIP for the second Assassination Rogue

strange python
#

Do I have to cite my sin rogue as an external for my halondrus r2?

#

Oh good

iron orchid
#

I'm checking mine

fleet anchor
slow marsh
#

Yikes

iron orchid
#

I always have 2 to 3 sin rogues in my raids

fleet anchor
#

But yeah

steel ridge
#

huh i had it on skolex the other night and was wondering why my dmg is low

fleet anchor
#

Basically this means you can't run 2 Assassination Rogues 🙂

strange python
#

So maybe it's limited to the boss only being able to have 1

#

Get it fixed? :D

fleet anchor
#

Yes the debuff is just flagged as unique on the boss

#

It should be an easy fix for them

#

To make it per-player

steel ridge
#

UFF

#

so two assa rogues is shit 😄

strange python
#

Hilarious that they never thought this through

#

And also that no one noticed till now

balmy condor
#

alrighty

steel ridge
#

wow just wow... lets see how fast they can fix this

balmy condor
#

I sent word

#

out of my hands now

#

we'll see what happens

slow marsh
#

They never expected there to be two sin rogues on a fight is why

strange python
#

Message then every 15 minutes whispyr

iron orchid
#

On my last H sausage kill i get exactly no 2p proc

#

FUN

balmy condor
strange python
#

"I sent you a picture of our logs why aren't you replying"

balmy condor
#

luckily it seems pretty minor if you don't have 2 sin rogues

strange python
#

We do for lords and ryg :(

balmy condor
#

I'm finding it skips maybe 1-2 grudge matches every 30ish logs I look at so far

strange python
#

I guess I can sub for ryg but lords sub is gross

balmy condor
#

for single rogues

slow marsh
#

I can't blame my parses on getting bugged now darn

balmy condor
#

for double it's just fucked

fleet anchor
#

Also while I'm here, I'll drop some good news for Venthyr bros out there. (Sorry Whispyr.) The alignment of refreshes in Vendetta is a little cluttered with CT being mixed in and there was some room for more aggressive DoT refreshes towards the end of Vendetta where it was missing pandemic by only a few seconds on Rupture and Garrote casts at times. Not super major but with Rupture and Garrote conditions in place it's just shy of 1% by the looks of it. It's about 0.4% for Night Fae, but only if they run CT.

#

I got some stuff to clean up but will get in SimC tomorrow

balmy condor
fleet anchor
balmy condor
#

that's 200 dps closer to me having to play sin again

#

god fuck

slow marsh
#

So basically be more aggressive with bleeds if things are coming off at the same time?

strange python
#

So tldr; refresh dots more often, basically never envenom

balmy condor
#

remove envenom from your bars effective immediately

fleet anchor
#

I'm still working on the exact thresholds but roughly seemingly like the winning threshold is "if <4s on Vendetta and <7s on DoTs"

strange python
#

Like, CT perma spam since it removed so quickly

fleet anchor
#

Basically if it will only miss pandemic by a couple seconds

#

It's not a massive change

iron orchid
slow marsh
#

I mean I had some pulls tonight that I felt like I was absolutely blasting and it was when I was aggressively reapplying bleeds to ensure I got everything up fresh before vend fell off

fleet anchor
#

Anything more aggressive is worse

slow marsh
#

Cool that makes sense then

strange python
#

Or force overwrite

#

Idk I'm super high can't think the words good

fleet anchor
#

Basically refresh a bit earlier than pandemic if pandemic is only a couple seconds longer than Vendetta duration

balmy condor
iron orchid
#

AH shit

strange python
#

MERDE

timid cloud
#

Ip grabber

iron orchid
#

xD

slow marsh
solid venture
#

Allez

balmy condor
#

dei about to keylog the fuck out of me

iron orchid
#

get rid of the fr.

timid cloud
#

“Big bussy bois”

fleet anchor
#

Pandemic during Vendetta is 3.6s for Rupture, roughly what this means is increasing the pandemic window by no more than ~50%

balmy condor
iron orchid
#

My bad

timid cloud
#

LMAO

#

Wdym, we’re already getting fucked on the logs. Didn’t you see the bug?

iron orchid
timid cloud
iron orchid
#

with my cup of coffee

balmy condor
#

logs still don't work

#

:/

slow marsh
#

Professional log watcher

balmy condor
#

forever stuck fetching fights

iron orchid
timid cloud
steel ridge
iron orchid
#

DOn't wanna send you screenshots

#

except if you want me to

balmy condor
#

nah it's fine

fleet anchor
#

Basically it becomes like:

refreshable|set_bonus.tier28_4pc&debuff.vendetta.up&debuff.vendetta.remains<3&remains<7

balmy condor
#

I'm gonna try and find some giga big normal kill or something

strange python
fleet anchor
#

Well technically it depends on how many CP you have when you cast it

slow marsh
#

So now if he wants to play sin not only does whisp have to play, in his opinion, the worst sin build of all time, but also kinda sorta throw pandemic out the window on top of that

vestal wren
balmy condor
slow marsh
#

I can't imagine how it could get any worse for the homie

timid cloud
#

If you check my log I think there’s another Sin Rogue in it.

fleet anchor
timid cloud
#

I’ve done some 30 mans too with a friend who is a Sin Rogue.

vestal wren
slow marsh
#

Afenars is set to only update every second I think

#

So it won't glow until 3 seconds cuz it doesn't count the .6 or something along those lines

fleet anchor
#

Well if you have 4cp it would be less, 3.6 is the 5cp value

strange python
#

On afenar base wa

fleet anchor
#

We're talking specifically during Vendetta

#

So it's half normal

strange python
#

Holy. Fuck.

fleet anchor
#

3s would be the Vendetta 4CP threshold

strange python
#

This whole time I never even considered that

#

Thank fuck I've been playing sub

slow marsh
#

Actual griefer kekw

#

Yeah good thing xD

strange python
#

Holy shit

#

Anyone got edits for afenar setup to adjust that during vend?

slow marsh
#

Yeah Cev has it out there somewhere

strange python
#

I'm so triggered

#

Here I was thinking my heroic logs were shit because I'm bad

#

Turns out I'm right.

#

Bad and dumb

bleak sky
#

so uh

#

nice grudge match clowns

fleet anchor
#

Just cast Shiv before the other Rogue

#

ez

bleak sky
#

but seriously though: that's super weird

strange python
#

Our other rogue can't play sub :(

vestal wren
#

well your time to shine on subtlety

jaunty crystal
#

oh no my sin setup is 40 dps ahead of my sub atm

bleak sky
#

Mine is still 1k behind god bless

balmy condor
#

when can we delete this channel?

strange python
bleak sky
balmy condor
#

no

bleak sky
#

10.0: rogues are unified

balmy condor
#

next patch talents bring us back

#

to the promised lands

jaunty crystal
#

I also wish our ranks are public. HUGE r5 healing parse on halondrus tonight.

bleak sky
#

No no

strange python
#

Whispyr you used to love your degenerate assassination apes

bleak sky
#

It's all merged

jaunty crystal
#

they call me the leech god

strange python
#

I had a r2 halondrus, r3 artificer dmg :(

bleak sky
#

We kill halondrus next week ON GOD

balmy condor
vestal wren
strange python
#

Plz god make shrouded suff a talent. And not flag/sepsis/echoing reprimand/bonespike

#

Honestly I want all the cov abilities gone

iron orchid
balmy condor
vestal wren
#

i mean i am a bit negative here, blizz did say they want to focus on impactfull talents

strange python
#

Can we get shiv and toxic blade as separate moves so I can soothe?

bleak sky
#

10.0

We've decided that the 3 rogue specs don't really differ enough from each other, so we merged them together. You can find your favorite abilities as talents, such as blade flurry, shiv, shadow dance and symbols of death. Enjoy mixing and matching.

balmy condor