assassination

[white gull]

how do u play a fight like guardian as assas?

on hc

[sterile torrent]

stupid question, but im tryna roll over to assa from sub cuz i want to play assa for abit. Is prepull the same as sub? Deathly leggo - vanish - snd - change gear set?

[autumn frost]

Vigilant guardian?

Just do whatever spec you will use for the next fight.

But just send your stuff on the bug guys ln cd.

[solid venture]

not much you can do as assa on hc, shit dies before you even get ur bleeds out xd

[white gull]

true

[solid venture]

necro is probably ur best shot

[autumn frost]

Try to have your cds for lust at the last 15%

Other then that nothing.

[balmy condor]

Yep would be the same thing, except that doing the prepull is strictly a dps loss and you would only hurt yourself in the process

[vestal wren]

the deathly cheese is only relevant on subtlety because sub does not use vanish efficient for dps

both outlaw/sin get a lot more benefits from vanish

[sterile torrent]

kk ty boys

[wet sparrow]

!bis

[normal mist]

You wish

[hollow escarp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/droptimizer

or !fuu

[normal mist]

[hollow escarp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[void needle]

For the venthyr burst rotation, I presume we're happily overwriting current bleeds at the start of the burst. Is there a length of time we can let our target sit without bleeds running if we're about to start the burst?

[limber lion]

That's not quite right. You don't want to let your bleeds drop before doing the rotation and you don't want to reapply them too early either

You just follow normal pandemic rules, only letting the bleeds drop and immediately reapplying after Vendetta ends

[void needle]

Oh okay, so only hit flag when you've got a MCP-1 rupture ready in the pandemic window?

[tropic rover]

So if we have bleeds rolling with like -20-30 seconds left and our CDs (mfd, shiv, flag, vend) come up, it's worth holding everything until we'd normally reapply dots to send?

[cobalt hemlock]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[limber lion]

No

You press Flag regardless

If does not matter what finisher you use after Flag

doesn't have to be rupture

or ct

you can do flag env mfd ct

or flag env mfd env

or flag rupture mfd env

or flag env mfd rupture

does not matter

[tropic rover]

Ah

[limber lion]

No.

[tropic rover]

Good call, thanks cev

[limber lion]

Yeh

[tropic rover]

Yep, just read the above, makes sense.

[limber lion]

You get cds ready, you send em

[tropic rover]

Do we delay anything for vanish?

Or delay vanish to line up with the other CDs?

[hoary fulcrum]

Is it because using vendetta will affect the bleeds currently on, and the with 2 seconds left you reapply rupt and garotte, to keep the increased dmg/haste or whatever?

[limber lion]

No

[limber lion]

Yes

But there shouldn't be much delaying involved because our cds work in 1 minute cycles

So you have Vanish for every other Vend

[limber lion]

Correct

[hybrid vale]

has anyone gotten a vendetta before their previous one expired with kyrian priest and leggo

feels poss

fae priest*

my buddy is kyrian atm, maybe i get him to swap fae, he's already my pi bot

[strange python]

Yo Im new to asssa just stopped playing sub for a week or so wanna test out assa a bit are my secondaries bad for the spec atm as it is and should I get more haste

Im 275 ilvl atm

[gusty mirage]

Secondaries don’t matter as much as you think they do. Just trust in topgear

If you’re looking to really min max, run a droptimizer for raid and for m+

Stats are kinda whatever, and they’re super close to one another this tier

[bleak sun]

Do we still run vigor with 4set in m+ ?

[hybrid vale]

vigor 😮

i dont know much, but resource cap talents like that are usually antiquated by the end of expac because you generate so much

[hybrid vale]

feels like there's a diminishing return on the energy generation aspect of haste that creates an equity shift towards crit & mastery

just my observation based on my own exp and looking thru logs and simming today

[gusty mirage]

From mister @balmy condor himself

Literally fractions of a dps per point for all 4

[bleak sky]

Wow it's almost like they don't matter at all

[tropic rover]

No way I green parse because I don't have enough haste

[gusty mirage]

What do mages know about secondary stats

[cloud wren]

@slow marsh kinda cute ngl

[slow marsh]

tru

[brazen zodiac]

tru

oxi too tbh

[bleak sky]

33% crit

[gusty mirage]

Also

[brazen zodiac]

oh shit

how about ♾️ @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

[hybrid vale]

that's weird because the way I see it; there's a secondary benefit to haste and critical strike. Haste increases your energy regeneration passively and directly because bleeds tick faster and "proc" more energy gains thru VWounds.

critical strike allows for faster combo point generation thru seal fate while Mastery is a pure damage amp on bleeds and poisons, it scales infinitely with no diminishing returns.

so naturally, I'd expect a point at which one would see less value per point from haste and possibly critical strike if it were to go to infinity whereas you'd never experience a per point difference from mastery no matter how much you had

[slow marsh]

why are we talking about secondaries tho?

[tropic rover]

This is why we don't think

And we trust the computer

[hybrid vale]

bored at werk

[slow marsh]

What is your definition of dimishing returns?

Since it's clearly not like the game definition

[limber lion]

Impossible.

[slow marsh]

also this is not mathematically possible

[charred wraith]

And with urh buff (double urh buff giving 30 seconds total) while intentionally spamming mutilate to spend the most amount of energy per second assuming you have enough for every gcd

[balmy condor]

I never thought I could read a fever dream

[storm belfry]

during vendetta w 4p when is a good time to reapply? pandemic or falling off

that shit is fast

[hybrid vale]

I guess there's a few different ways I could look at it. The absolute peak of DR on the stat would be when you're always generating an additional combo point?

[slow marsh]

pandemic

[storm belfry]

ty ice

[slow marsh]

I think you're talking about the wrong kinda DRs there bud

[hybrid vale]

wdym, DR=diminish return

on the stat

and its secondary benefit i mentioned from the op

[limber lion]

It's true that critical strike does not gain benefit from going over 100%

whereas other stats don't have a similar cap and continue to see value

but diminishing return is maybe the wrong word for it idk

because all stats have dimishing returns

[slow marsh]

ye that's the other kind of DR

[rotund oak]

isnt there a graph that explains stat DRs and how we value them?

like cmon

[slow marsh]

I mean yeah and no I guess idk. Generally it doesn't matter cuz sims do it for us

[rotund oak]

its math it sure does,think Koji and Fuu might have to say something on it

[dark token]

its not hard to figure out, blizz literally reduced scaling on stats at specific threshholds this expac

[rotund oak]

thats why we sim,dont we? 😛

[slow marsh]

The overall point is that you would end up wasting so much secondary stat before you start to really reach the general functional DRs of said stats so it doesn't matter

[rotund oak]

true,that makes sense

but kinda skeptical on it tbh

[loud light]

more practically, the value of each stat in the limit as they approach infinity is... not particularly interesting to us as it doesn't really mean anything to the range of attainable stats

[hybrid vale]

there's also not enough of secondaries provided to us to matter much, i was just pondering

musing

[rotund oak]

Mr @vestal wren sorry to tag again,but ''stat DRs'' came back again(kinda big conversation ❤️ )

gief insight

[hybrid vale]

im good man, dont need to tag him ahah

[loud light]

🤔

[hybrid vale]

he's prob a busy man

[rotund oak]

we need to know

not a me or u

more like,we need the clarified knowledge

[vestal wren]

what is the question?

[loud light]

it's not even clear what you're asking-- are you asking about the new DRs on the conversion of secondaries in Shadowlands, or just the natural DRs from stacking a stat?

[vestal wren]

the sim does consider stat dr

[native belfry]

Just give us legion 200% mastery back

[rustic bison]

I am having a pretty hard time doing 10k+ DPS on a single target. I don't know what I am doing wrong. My Ilvl is 260. Venth cov. I maintain bleeds, use Vendetta/ Flag on opening, have my 2 piece.

[vestal wren]

stat dr was a consequence of corruption more or less

to not allow such extremas

[bleak sky]

Post a log

[hybrid vale]

i dont have any, i was just ranting about my feelings on stats if we had like infinite amounts

i know we dont have enough for it to matter

[vestal wren]

but i think there is not to much to think about in terms of stat dr given the sim already considers it

[native belfry]

You need a 4 piece tho, huge boost

[vestal wren]

the 4p is a huge damage boost to the spec

[hybrid vale]

i also just remembered blizzard added a stat diminishing return system so that's why @slow marsh was confused. my bad lol i forgot that they did that

[vestal wren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

so going dusk + 4p will give you quite a lot of dps

if you haven't already, try to run lfr and consider using the catalyst to get your set

[hybrid vale]

man im workin on it

[strange python]

Simmed my character and Im confused, I have 31.11% crit with 23.39% haste being better than 36.20% crit and 19.52% haste, how come, is it worth dropping 5.1% crit for 2.7% haste with all the haste I get from my covenant and flag?

[bleak sky]

ignore stats

please

for god's sake

just use whatever the sim has you running

[strange python]

Alright thanks!

[bleak sky]

it considers everything

[balmy condor]

We’re using sigfigs now

[rustic bison]

Can someone walk me through how to link a log? I've never used this before.

[vestal wren]

you activate advanced combat log in the networking otpions of the game

then you type /combatlog

when you are done with whatever you want to log you type it again

you can then register and account on warcraftlogs and use their tool to upload the log

[rustic bison]

Oh, okay, thanks.

[vestal wren]

when uploading you can set the visibility, you choose public if you want to share it with others

if you want to log specific content like mythic plus or raid always you can also use a addon like method raid tools that has a option to automatically starts a combat log when you start a dungeon/raid

[slow marsh]

jesus now people are asking about actual stat percentages

[slow marsh]

if sim says to do it then yes its probably worth

[vestal wren]

it is often hard to convince somone

if people look for stat %

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

there you go, you even have point values if you look at a specific report

[rustic bison]

Thanks @vestal wren

Also, is this too much crit?

[vestal wren]

as long as you inform people that this does not help them decide on their gear its fine

and that they should instead just go by a per piece evaluation in top gear

[slow marsh]

lmao

[vestal wren]

its 38%, the sim has 38%. i think you are fine

😛

but as mentioned, use a "per piece" evaluation because the above stats are from a optimized high itemlevel setup

[rustic bison]

Sure, sure.

Also, what ilvl should I be for 15s? I am having a really hard time getting into groups. My rating is 1660

[vestal wren]

also venthyr, so might be not the same covenant you use

[bleak sky]

ilvl depends entirely on you

[vestal wren]

i think having 4p is the main factor for keys atm

[slow marsh]

Chasing stats is never the answer

[rustic bison]

Well darn, that'll be another 2 weeks.

[vestal wren]

because most pug groups won't invite you without

its more a community issue

[bleak sky]

people were doing 15s at 250 ilvl when the patch hit

some people can't do them at 270

so there's no set ilvl for doing 15s

[rustic bison]

Right, I get that.

[bleak sky]

but your rating is gonna hold you back, you're likely not gonna get in groups

so pushing your own key is usuallly the play

[rustic bison]

Thanks. I will get a 15 next week, so I will try for that.

[hybrid vale]

is anyone here basically bis?

basically anyone using the highest possible simming combination of items

[subtle tundra]

guys i've played the assignements on anduin for FOUR different people

wtf

[balmy condor]

No

[slow marsh]

you're just better than 3 other people

[ebon notch]

@subtle tundra

[subtle tundra]

today hes dead

[ebon notch]

we came up 1 second early

and got the invisible blasphemy

i died 1 frame later in that screenshot

nice hitboxes

[spice spire]

[hybrid vale]

hm anyone close, i have some questions of what to expect for future

if i get there 🙂

mainly I wanna know if I'm gonna have any empty globals. part of the reason why i like necro alot is bc , without it, I would be not pressing buttons every global

[balmy condor]

you will always have empty globals on sin

[hybrid vale]

i'd be waiting for energy. a bit

i dont mind pooling energy for vendetta or shiv windows, more so just curious how much the extra haste helps in filling those

[ebon notch]

@subtle tundra IM USING FULL CDS ON FIRST P2 ADD

LETS GOOOOOOOO

[subtle tundra]

we got a very scuffed p3 pull 6%er

next p3 is kill

[ebon notch]

easy for you

[subtle tundra]

my position is outside of fucking melee

bro

in p3

im AFK

[hybrid vale]

do we have resident assa rogue whose logged a m jailer kill as assa

im dumb i forgot ppl were still progging

[subtle tundra]

cev sometime in the future

but not public

[royal lantern]

that was me during sylvanas lmao

p3 having to stand with the ranged/healers cus to many melee

[subtle tundra]

yea but that was just run out and come back

for me

its run out

stay there

for a good time

[ebon notch]

[strange python]

Whats the ideal IQD proc that you want as assa?

[bleak sky]

not heal, not execute, not mana, not cc break

there you go

[autumn frost]

Crit

Or mastery

[strange python]

thanks

[hollow river]

Ye I have full bis

[brazen zodiac]

yeah?

[ebon notch]

yeah im astro bis

[brazen zodiac]

not obtuse, rubber goose green moose, guava juice

[ebon notch]

FAIRLY ODD PARENTS?

[hollow river]

He’s wrong it’s haste

[brazen zodiac]

giant snake, birthday cake, large fries, chocolate shake

[strange python]

Realy

I find it very miss leading when people give advice and stuff wo knowing antyting about a certain thing

[subtle tundra]

@ebon notch new assignment just in, in p3 i just stay out with debuff and cloak it at the end

no dps

[ebon notch]

ur lying

no fucking shot

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

gonna address this once more ima 3k rio mythic raider rog, for Gods sake I know that those 4 are bad but was asking about secondary stas either haste mastery or crit im trying to parse very high, stop being so passively aggressive towards people asking questions, if you don't have the nerves dont bother giving trollish answers

[gusty mirage]

Just jump off

[spice spire]

You legitimately just want stats.
Doesn’t matter what mode, just legit stat proc.

[gusty mirage]

It’s easier

[strange python]

Thanks alot

[spice spire]

Every other mode = bad

[gusty mirage]

You’re bad

[spice spire]

Some will do better than others but that’s for your build to decide

[spice spire]

Amen

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

My answer isn't wrong lol

[hybrid vale]

that mythic jailer belt is kinda pog tho

[bleak sky]

you want stats

who cares which one it is

[gusty mirage]

Same bro

My parses looking like the early spring in the Midwest, some green and some gray and a little bit of blue

[hollow river]

Ye I got it

[bleak sky]

if your IQD is simming decently and it's procccing mastery, so be it

[strange python]

IQD gives the highest secondary if im not wrong, im very close with crit/mastery/haste I could gem and enchant specificly to get a certain proc if im right?

[bleak sky]

you can just sim it

[spice spire]

If you’re close. But yeah you can just sim every gem + every enchant and the best will always show

[ebon notch]

if you arent doing 15m sims every fucking day

[hollow river]

Highest or second highest. And during lust it gives haste 100%

[ebon notch]

ARE YOU EVEN PLAYING

[spice spire]

Amen

[ebon notch]

if you dont get emails with bills for bandwidth from raidbots

[gusty mirage]

No, stop yelling at me

[spice spire]

Live in raidbots.com

[ebon notch]

YOU ARENT DOING ENOUGH SIMS

[bleak sky]

that's the game

[strange python]

Ah kk i did sim multiple times

[strange python]

Anduin?

[bleak sky]

wow is just a hobby

[ebon notch]

sry

[bleak sky]

the endgame is sim simulator

[spice spire]

Simming is the true end game

[tropic rover]

I sim myself to see the optimal gear set up to sit in oribos doing sims GET AT ME

[gusty mirage]

Bro this tier is killing my mental, help

[ebon notch]

watching those numbers go up

[spice spire]

Finding 0.001% gains are WF

[ebon notch]

im stuck on anduin

everyone is memeing me

making assa rogue jokes

[gusty mirage]

I’m stuck on crab

[ebon notch]

BUT THEY WONT BENCH ME

WHAT DO THEY WANT ME TO DO

[strange python]

I'm benched on anduin and so happy about it

[spice spire]

roll sub

[strange python]

I just wanna finish this tier and find a new guild

[bleak sky]

they want you to play sub

[subtle tundra]

yas

[gusty mirage]

Actually toxic wtf

[bleak sky]

mr blue name

[ebon notch]

theyve started making kyrian outlaw jokes

[gusty mirage]

For what

[spice spire]

Because perception

[ebon notch]

its so funny

[spice spire]

Oh no

[strange python]

I'm actually so fucking glad I'm not in.

[spice spire]

Please

[bleak sky]

feels good perception I guess

[strange python]

They wiped p1 all night again

[subtle tundra]

i feel like a whore 😳

[gusty mirage]

You’ll still get smoked on the meters

It’s irrelevant

[ebon notch]

kyrian utlul

[bleak sky]

yes but SIN BAD OK OMEGALUL WEEK 1 SIMS SIN BAD

[ebon notch]

i mean i can do insane meter damage

[strange python]

If I was given that p3 strat instruction I'd probably just sign out ngl

[ebon notch]

like that isnt hard

just dont send me downstairs

[strange python]

Like that fucking soniqs tank xd

[ebon notch]

but then they send me downstairs

[subtle tundra]

i think its funny

[ebon notch]

and i do 250k damage

https://tenor.com/view/helping-im-helping-i-am-helping-look-human-cat-gif-11944703

this is me

[strange python]

I've learned that no guilds understand what rogues do at all.

Outside of top 15

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

That’s what they want

It’s not right mister ash

[bleak sky]

blue name not wanting to play sub

smh my head

[spice spire]

Imagine not being red LMAO

[strange python]

Sub is so unfun

[viscid spear]

I'm not mad, I have Heroic neck and need THICCrab to drop legs

[strange python]

Weapon master and 4set rng just aren't enjoyable

[spice spire]

I’m Hoping after two tiers where rogues have rng borrowed power and hate it, they learn

[viscid spear]

Idk how to stay red

[spice spire]

Rng doesn’t provide dopamine

[spice spire]

Remove blue name

[strange python]

That would require them listening to us

[spice spire]

Red at the bottom

Yeah

[strange python]

And giving us utility too

Like smoke bomb.

[spice spire]

Yeah :^) good meme

[strange python]

I wouldn't mind having no utility if our damage was compensated adequately.

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

Best we can get is +10% BR and +30% fok

[hybrid vale]

is it me or did our cousin feral druids just climb to the top of st logs

[spice spire]

And aura buffed to hell

[spice spire]

Feral Druids have really good ST. Have all xpac, this is nothing new. Though this tier they’re a touch weaker

[bleak sky]

where

[ebon notch]

dont get me wrong, kyrian sub is actually quite fun

its basically better outlaw

but i need variety

[bleak sky]

I guess they're top damage for halondrus with 9 parses but

[spice spire]

It’s not that, it’s the lotto damage things, just not fun

[ebon notch]

and venth sub which you play on anduin is not fun at all

[strange python]

I hate it

[bleak sky]

I wouldn't touch those statistics

[hybrid vale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/29/#boss=2529

[strange python]

Weapon master and 4set I'd too much rng.

[hybrid vale]

benchmark boss

[ebon notch]

thing is tho

even if you dont rng a lot

you still do good damage

[bleak sky]

yeah a whole 9 parses

not a great metric

[spice spire]

I was going to say both them and sin on top

Both are incredibly low % of players

[hybrid vale]

both there's very few parses for the boss overall

[spice spire]

On mythic

[hybrid vale]

on mythic

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

I've been meaning to ask. What's the mfd reroll logic

[gusty mirage]

I can’t wait to green avg parse my way to CE

[strange python]

How long should we hold mfd if an add is coming

[ebon notch]

you know why they sent me down?

because the hunters rng wasnt consistent

[gusty mirage]

Because things don’t die otherwise?

[ebon notch]

no

if the hunters dont proc

they apparently do nothing?

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

like

how can they be this broken and this useless

[hybrid vale]

unless they're using some kind of cheat or edited logs, it's pretty reasonable to assume if a couple of feral are doing it now, they're going to continue to own

[gusty mirage]

Tell them to play MM

The fuck

[strange python]

It's most likely those handful of ferals are just gods

[ebon notch]

we have 3 hunters

2 surv 1 mm

[gusty mirage]

They just want to pad intermission

[hybrid vale]

i like feral druids, they're our animal counterparts

[strange python]

We're the real animals.

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

What's the timing on holding mfd. How long should I leave it off CD if I know an add is coming

Like on lords

[subtle tundra]

wow we killed him

[spice spire]

P3 check?

[strange python]

Huge

Did standing out being afk help?

[subtle tundra]

afk check

[strange python]

Kekw

[spice spire]

Amen

[subtle tundra]

literally watching them

[spice spire]

Should have just been afk entire time

[strange python]

Why wouldn't they have other melee afk that do less damage!

?

I'm guessing you have a DK or dh?

[subtle tundra]

im.. uh...

impostor

[strange python]

Lol

[subtle tundra]

(i was sub)

[strange python]

You still should have higher ST damage there than them?

[subtle tundra]

nah venthyr kinda bad

[strange python]

Oh right duh

As soon as I saw I was out for anduin I just turned my brain off. Didn't even consider venth

[hybrid vale]

it's funny that anduin and pelagos are like the same character

different skin

[ebon notch]

fk u

ur free

[hybrid vale]

i hate that jamoke anduin

[ebon notch]

we just wiped cause someone didnt cc their add

[subtle tundra]

ok crafting zoldyck feet

[ebon notch]

i thought you still went dusks?

and you have it for every phase

[subtle tundra]

cev did the math

on lords, yea?

[ebon notch]

i forget

[subtle tundra]

its a zoldyck angle

[gusty mirage]

Ye

[subtle tundra]

dusk gives cringe timers

[ebon notch]

nah dusk lines up

flag doesnt

[subtle tundra]

yea but necro

[ebon notch]

ye ik

[gusty mirage]

You’re almost free varas

Just hope for rygelon dagger first kill then just m+ it up the rest of the tier

[subtle tundra]

yep yep

hmm

what trinket

maybe unbound changeling

[ebon notch]

[strange python]

M+ sucks

Delete content

[subtle tundra]

raid bad, m+ shit

pvp not fun

[strange python]

Raid fun. Just not this raid

[gusty mirage]

I’m just going to become a collector

[hollow river]

What

This raid is pretty dope

[strange python]

This raid is the worst raid I've played since mop

Close with nya tho for badness

[hollow river]

How

[hybrid vale]

castle nathria was a piece of shit tho

[strange python]

None of the bosses are remotely fun

[hollow river]

Wtf??

CN and this raid are sick as fuck

Sanctum was hot garbage

[strange python]

I liked can

Cn

[hybrid vale]

hated cn

[hollow river]

You’re weird yo

[hybrid vale]

i didnt do mythic

[strange python]

First 6 in Sanctum were amazing. And sylv was fun.

[hybrid vale]

i like this raid so far

[hollow river]

Me either

I was like 4/10M

[strange python]

Sanctum is an entirely different raid on mythic

[hollow river]

Just goofing off

[strange python]

Sylv was a dogshit heroic boss, amazing mythic

[hollow river]

Sanctum was trash man

[gusty mirage]

Sylv was fun for the first 3 pulls

[hollow river]

Sylvanas worst boss ever

[ebon notch]

it was fine on heroic

like compare to slg

[hybrid vale]

idk i didnt find the mechanics to be amazingly exciting and the story was pure trash, i guess it all is in slands

[strange python]

IDC about story

[gusty mirage]

God slg was such a piece of shit fight

[hollow river]

Halondrus is probably the most fun boss I’ve ever done

[ebon notch]

on mythic it was ok without the bugs

[strange python]

Eye, tarragrue, soulrender, remnant were all fantastic bosses

[ebon notch]

but on heroic it was just

[gusty mirage]

Guild died on council

[hollow river]

LLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[hybrid vale]

i mean aint these bosses just the same fight with different textures at some point

[hollow river]

Yeah ok bro

[strange python]

I severely despise bosses built around "one person fucks up once you lose"

[hollow river]

Remnant was garbage

[strange python]

It's a extremely common opinion among mythic raiders that the first 6 in Sanctum other than Nine were great lol.

[gusty mirage]

Remnant was fine, except for the fact that the boss got harder when you got more gear because it pushed earlier and caused toxic overlaps

[hollow river]

No it isn’t lmao

[strange python]

It really is.

[hollow river]

That’s just false

[strange python]

Not gonna argue this with someone who openly admits they were just goofing off to try mythic tho.

[hollow river]

I’ve never heard anything good

[hollow river]

That was CN smart ass

[hybrid vale]

i am def a goofball

[hollow river]

CE in sanctum

[hybrid vale]

don't listen to me i just got lots of opinions. 😎

but this guy has killed m jailer already so he prob knows more about current raid than all of us

[strange python]

Max and scripe literally did a post-race vid praising the Sanctum bosses outside of kt, guardian, and fate

[ebon notch]

i really liked the eye as an assa rogue

[strange python]

Cringe lol. I'm gonna go back to work.

[ebon notch]

when you got the intermission add with the boss add

[hollow river]

Why do I care about max and scrips

[ebon notch]

fuck we were blasting so hard

[hollow river]

They aren’t the entire community

They are 2 people

[strange python]

Lol

[ebon notch]

also we dont kill the same bosses they do

remember

[subtle tundra]

@limber lion Do you fok during swarm( )

[ebon notch]

why would you fok?

[subtle tundra]

big dam?

[ebon notch]

its not aoe damage based anymore

xd

[subtle tundra]

oh FUCK

SHIT

[ebon notch]

bruh

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

Lmao

[violet jackal]

KEKW

[hollow river]

[ebon notch]

b r u h

[subtle tundra]

i have not played the boss

[gusty mirage]

Varas down bad guys

[subtle tundra]

in a month

[ebon notch]

oh god

hes gonna make us look bad

[gusty mirage]

Woah that’s MY job

[subtle tundra]

i dont have a log on the change

[hybrid vale]

bonespike should spread poisons

[gusty mirage]

Dw you fok as a builder on 3T now

[subtle tundra]

i know bro im m+ player????

[gusty mirage]

How about we start with our baseline abilities first and then worry about sbs

It’d be nice if garrote, rupture and shiv applied poisons

[spice spire]

Sub tho doesn’t count

[gusty mirage]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[subtle tundra]

wtf trinkets do i play

is it an iqd angle?

idk

[gusty mirage]

Does it matter? Truly?

[hybrid vale]

well fan of knives does it baseline, but sbs with the leggo is obviously prio

[subtle tundra]

yes

i wanna feel good

[spice spire]

Playing rogue

[gusty mirage]

Prolly IQD

[subtle tundra]

😐

[spice spire]

Go off king

[gusty mirage]

I’d say sigil but it’s a 3 hour cd

[spice spire]

You fucking got this

[limber lion]

when the add is alive on top, yeah

but mutilate after

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion hi ur cute

[spice spire]

3t fok these days

Amen

[subtle tundra]

imagine having sigil

i feel like i want more crit

38% cringe

[gusty mirage]

I only have a 265 sigil dw

I don’t actually get loot from mythic

[strange python]

Cev. How long do you hold mfd if you know an add is coming soon?

[gusty mirage]

I’ve gotten the haste mastery cloak off skolex and the ring off guardian

[strange python]

Like on lords

[limber lion]

u2 babe

[limber lion]

Eh that'

That's a tough question

[strange python]

Or do we even use mfd on lords

[limber lion]

No

Because we play Necro

[subtle tundra]

necro ds

[limber lion]

2222223

[hybrid vale]

do any of u guys get pi in raids

[strange python]

Oh right duh

[limber lion]

No

[subtle tundra]

nope

[hybrid vale]

wouldn't you parse higher

[subtle tundra]

that'd be cringe

and unbased

cant parse higher than 100

(not me)

[gusty mirage]

Bro I barely get put in position to do damage

[hybrid vale]

hahahaha

[ebon notch]

:^)

[gusty mirage]

Pantheon p3 lust sounds like a fun time right?

[ebon notch]

i have been known to snipe a pi or two

[tropic rover]

You play that in keys too if you feel like fucking around with assassination? Or also venthyr/dusk

[gusty mirage]

Wouldn’t know I’m off in Zimbabwe STing an add

[ebon notch]

same

[hybrid vale]

with vendetta your bleeds must tick like a machine gun

[limber lion]

Yeah that build in M+ as Necro, 2232223 as Venthyr

[gusty mirage]

Best message I’ve gotten is I’m perma benched for pantheon now

[ebon notch]

xd

[tropic rover]

Assuming more Necro than ven for keys?

[gusty mirage]

“We can bring you in for the 278 sigil”
“No I’m good Ty”

[ebon notch]

im not gonna be happy till i can play assa on lihuvim

[gusty mirage]

Just don’t get trapped like I did

[ebon notch]

we had another assa rogue in disc for a pug and my guild was like "how many pulls on lihuvim"

[gusty mirage]

I have to hold all my CDs for every synthesize

[ebon notch]

and hes like "we havent killed yet"

[gusty mirage]

Fat 4 parse last night l

[ebon notch]

"are you playing assa"

"yes"

"ah thats why"

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

cannot avoid the assa hate

[slow marsh]

yeah i played pantheon this week and uhhhhh

[gusty mirage]

Assa’s legit giga for synthesize adds tho

[ebon notch]

my sigil got given to a mage

[subtle tundra]

what about shadowgrasp totem on lords?

[gusty mirage]

What

What the fuck

[slow marsh]

what about it

[gusty mirage]

Tell them to stop being a pussy and go pvp for a badge

[subtle tundra]

is it good

[slow marsh]

is there some secret tech?

[subtle tundra]

i wanna know if its good 😦

iqd doesnt seem good

3 min cringe

[slow marsh]

oh i mean it only hits one of them

[gusty mirage]

SGT is solid but it’s ST dam

But it’s also hasted so when you lust a swarm phase it should in theory blast

[slow marsh]

I am a big fan of Cache in general, and even more so in multi target fights but

i get some people don't like it

[limber lion]

IQD is giga

Sigil or IQD are both top tier

even more so on Lords

[gusty mirage]

Sigil gets me feeling funky in the synthesize adds

Critting 27k envenoms

[subtle tundra]

iqd timer would be 1 5 8?

[limber lion]

1 4 7

potion with 7

or well

[gusty mirage]

I’m like wow this is what it’d feel like if envenom didn’t suck

[limber lion]

well

jk

[slow marsh]

So you just dont line with swarm then?

[limber lion]

yeah I was about to say

talking about lords

[slow marsh]

ye that's why he said not sure about iqd i believe cuz 3mins desyncs after first

[limber lion]

IQD still giga with just 2 uses tbh

[slow marsh]

so like just use on cd with vend or hold for swarm or use diff trinket

[subtle tundra]

yea but shadowgrasp is use on every swarm?

[limber lion]

SgT sucks

don't use it

Just use IQD

with potions

[slow marsh]

Ye the stupid bells trinket sims higher for me than sgt

[subtle tundra]

wow that doesnt sound too good!

[hollow river]

What

How tf

[slow marsh]

yeah idk but i was simming stuff for halo and it looks like i'm using bells unless i can get a heroic sigil in a pug before raid

[ebon notch]

bells trinket is so ass

i got it on my enha

it hit 2 times in like a 5 min fight

[slow marsh]

it procs about every minute inside of flag for sin

at least from smacking target dummy

[rustic bison]

I got into a 15 DoS! Wish me luck on timing it! haha

[spice spire]

Gl

[balmy condor]

gl

[fallow canopy]

GL!

[hollow river]

I took tokens over a 278 Bella this week

[spare crow]

Hello, sub switching to assa, question: is the opener mutilate or ambush?

[slow marsh]

Both at the same time for 7 cp

[spare crow]

I'm asking seriously

<_<

[slow marsh]

mut

[hollow river]

Is everyone going to start switching to sin because of warcraftlogs now

[slow marsh]

yes

that's how wow community works

[balmy condor]

yes

[thorn fjord]

lol

[spare crow]

no, and you're wrong for assuming logs has anything to do with it

[balmy condor]

because they can't read charts

[balmy condor]

not you specifically

[spare crow]

may i ask why? ambush does more damage

[balmy condor]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[spare crow]

@slow marsh

[slow marsh]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[thorn fjord]

Mut gives you more CP

[hollow river]

Yeah those charts be fucking people up

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

tru

[spare crow]

ty

[hollow river]

5 assa rogues did damage on a boss

[balmy condor]

nah it's worse than that

[hollow river]

I’m not wrong

But not only taking about you personally

Didn’t mean for it to come off towards you

[spare crow]

Okay fair

[balmy condor]

because it doesn't even report the fights

anduin is a terrible rogue fight

[limber lion]

This command is actually incorrect

But no biggie

[balmy condor]

but there's not even enough sin rogues that killed the boss

[spare crow]

Back to the ambush question, it basically means i can remove ambush from my action bar no? Since it doesn't have any use

[balmy condor]

correct

[spare crow]

i assume i mutilate after vanish too

ok

[limber lion]

As a Venthyr, you never press it.

[spare crow]

alright ty boys

[slow marsh]

boomie dead spec

[limber lion]

But you need it as Night Fae/Necrolord

[balmy condor]

dead covs

[limber lion]

Or well, you don't need it

it's like 0.1% dps

doesn't really matter

[slow marsh]

seli playing necro for anduin surely it's bis

[limber lion]

one gcd out ofhundreds

[hybrid vale]

boomie is the most played spec

[balmy condor]

seli played necro on everythign

[limber lion]

seli was also playing necro on HallyD until I confronted him about it

then he switched to Venthyr

[slow marsh]

xD

that's the meme guys geez

[spare crow]

I started playing at the start of bfa, i used sub as first ever spec, but then switched to outlaw cause my friends said it sucked at the time, but now i was stuck playing sub for almost 2 years now

that's why i'm switching rly, sick of sub atm

pretty burned out

[limber lion]

Good

[spare crow]

i would love to go back to outlaw

[limber lion]

Change is good

Go have fun

What's stopping you from playing Outlaw?

[spare crow]

yea i am having a lot of fun

my guild threatens to gkick me

that's why

[thorn fjord]

Outlaw is 😂

[spare crow]

[limber lion]

Fair enough, what kind of ranking are you pushing for?

[thorn fjord]

Pirates are lame anyway

[spare crow]

i'm kinda doing 20s and last heroic bosses atm

[limber lion]

A great one-trick pony will do better than a person switching specs for every fight and encounter

Yeh aight

[slow marsh]

I'd be playing outlaw for everything minus the st fights rn if it wasn't cheeks

[limber lion]

Just play what you want

[ebon notch]

i wish

[limber lion]

I have also played Assassination through lows and highs, I've yet to get kicked out of my guilds because of that

[thorn fjord]

But you're a scholar and a gentleman

[peak bobcat]

Also the literal best at it

[limber lion]

I say that, as I'm currently sitting on the bench on Jailer

[ebon notch]

good thing you arent in my guild

[limber lion]

If you want to participate on boss kills, rogue is probably not the spec for it.

[slow marsh]

why would any guild kick the robot of the guild? they'd be risking an iRobot incident

[limber lion]

LUL

[peak bobcat]

Brian wouldn’t have gotten benched smh

[limber lion]

I know

Brian's a gigachad

[slow marsh]

I miss brian

[spice spire]

I miss Brian

Twinsies

[slow marsh]

poggo

[spare crow]

playing assa kinda seems easier than sub too, more fun

poison fantasy filled

[slow marsh]

that's what they all say

[thorn fjord]

I still think sub is way more fun to play in kills over sin but Raid sin is always where the fun is at

[spare crow]

the thing is

[thorn fjord]

in keys*

[spare crow]

sub easily burns me out in fights

gotta keep track of a lot of things, like shadow techniques to not mess up kyrian points

[limber lion]

Assa is probably the harder spec out of the 2 currently

[slow marsh]

yeah hate to break it to you but

uhhhh

[limber lion]

But everyone have their own difficulties

[slow marsh]

if you dont like tracking things

this tier aint hte one to play sin

[spare crow]

i mean what's to track in sin other than the poisons?

[bleak sky]

sin def feels harder than sub right now

[limber lion]

[thorn fjord]

the bleeds lol

[bleak sky]

you don't track poisons

[loud light]

4 set definitely flip flopped the spec

[slow marsh]

[spare crow]

i eman the garrote

and rupture

uptime

[bleak sky]

oh

[slow marsh]

someone gonna tell him?

[limber lion]

bleeds

[thorn fjord]

missing CT

[spare crow]

ye

bleeds

[bleak sky]

so

[spare crow]

sorry

[limber lion]

CT

cooldowns

haste

[bleak sky]

you get to keep track of 3 bleeds at double speed every minute

[thorn fjord]

making sure vend shiv and MFD are always synced

[slow marsh]

literally tracking 2-3 times the number of things compared to sub

[peak bobcat]

Kyrian sub has me feeling numb

Brain dead

[limber lion]

Slap a second or even third target and it gets pretty painful

[thorn fjord]

Life has me feeling dumb... s'all good

[limber lion]

Sub rotation doesn't change at all on 2t

[loud light]

kyrian sub is honestly funny though, it's just dance every 10 seconds

[limber lion]

except for one cheeky rupture once every 20s

lmao

[loud light]

plan? what plan

just go

[peak bobcat]

I’m excited for new sin talents in 10.0 because ours are garbage

Crimson tempest baseline or we fucking riot

[limber lion]

I honestly think

[thorn fjord]

give us back Kingsbane damnit

[limber lion]

that it's going the opposite direction

[bleak sky]

you get to choose between alacrity and venom rush but in a TREE FORM

[limber lion]

Where they want to put a lot of abilities in the talent trees

and which you want to pick and choose from

[peak bobcat]

That’s fine

[loud light]

will venom rush survive the talent revamp?

[limber lion]

I'm talking Shiv in the talent tree

[spare crow]

bleeds and ct uptime are easier to track than kyrian sub imo, even if you miss some seconds you don't rly mess up too bad, in comparison if you fail to spend a cp with kyrian sub cause shadow techniques decided to give you 1 cp too much at the last millisecond making u spend 2 cp for an eviscerate, that kinda messes up shadow dance etc

[bleak sky]

it doesn't though?

[spare crow]

or am i wrong

[hybrid vale]

man.. u must not know of our cov combo

[bleak sky]

missing 1 animacharged cp is not an issue

[peak bobcat]

You just ignore the 2nd anima point if you get giga procs

[hybrid vale]

it's very elaborate combo

[limber lion]

It's not that bad honestly

It doesn't ruin anything if you mess it up

you just keep going

you don't suddenly do 3k less dps because you finished too late

[loud light]

"messes up shadow dance" is being pretty generous

[bleak sky]

OH NO TOO MANY PROCS IM DOING LESS DAMAGE - said no one ever

[spare crow]

ofc you keep going but isn't it worse than like missing 2-3 secs on a bleed

[loud light]

go look at venthyr sin right now

and the flag windows

[spare crow]

[ebon notch]

bleeds are tight and thicc

[hybrid vale]

oh you'd be surprised these days those few seconds represent hundreds of dps

[peak bobcat]

Not during vendetta

[ebon notch]

dont miss any bleeds

[hybrid vale]

don't even get me started on the pandemic windows ...

[peak bobcat]

That’s what WA are for man

[limber lion]

Messing up your Vendetta/Flag window

is MUCH worse

[peak bobcat]

And cev op plater

Literally can’t lose

[ebon notch]

@limber lion i just had nnoggie sprint across the platform and blow me up with blasphemy

[limber lion]

than finishing 1gcd early on Sub

[spare crow]

alright ill try

[ebon notch]

[limber lion]

smh

just dodge or

[ebon notch]

bro he was moving so fast

i was shocked

[limber lion]

he's wr5

or something

[ebon notch]

they called a wipe and he fucking leapt on me

[limber lion]

wr1

even

[white gull]

U guys know the pandemic timers for slice, rupture, garrote and crimson tempest?

[limber lion]

Yes.

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[limber lion]

Rupture 7.2, Garrote 5.4, CT 3.6

half of that during Vendetta

[bleak sky]

1.8 sec pandemic ct

monkaW

[peak bobcat]

Every global CT or bust

[ebon notch]

on god god

i mean there are 2 globals in opener when you legit refresh ct

outside of pandemic

because otherwise it falls off

[limber lion]

That's fine

[bleak sky]

but yeah sin is definitely harder than sub rn

[oak sky]

On jesus

[bleak sky]

on god even

[peak bobcat]

On Brian

[bleak sky]

unfortunately Brian went to buy some milk and cigarettes

[ebon notch]

dare i say on musclebrah

[peak bobcat]

Too powerful

Assassination discord has to be the best class discord channel

It’s not even close tbh

[cloud nacelle]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[limber lion]

based Tylerr

[peak bobcat]

Just a bunch of handsome lads in here

Cev give me the Halondrus tech

I have to show Minalba up on my last raid day

[ebon notch]

outlaw used to be best

cause it was filled with a bunch of crackhead gambling addicts

[peak bobcat]

Man

[ebon notch]

but its too bad

[fallow canopy]

been lurking here for a while and it seems very friendly

and active too, unlike other classes discords

[gusty mirage]

depends on your definition of best ig

if you mean degen shit that made solo and guy want to rip their hair out

then yes

[ebon notch]

thats goals honestly

guys rants are epic

[slow marsh]

this please cuz i'm doing it later

also how do you run bombs from p1 or do i just say i can't come to raid cuz i got covid

[bleak sky]

just don't carry p1 bombs

easy 3k dps there

[peak bobcat]

Idk p1 intermission as sin feels doomed

If you have a bomb

[kindred rapids]

My plan is to just never kill lihuvim

[bleak sky]

lihuvim has dagger thoughh

[slow marsh]

doesn't exist

[kindred rapids]

so does skolex tho

[viscid spear]

Just say your mouse isn't working so you have to play entirely with keybinds and can't click anything

[civic trellis]

Venthyr for lords right?

[bleak sky]

no

necro

necro zoldycks is the juice according to cev

I went searching to make sure it's necro zold and found this

no sin blasting on jailer

[slow marsh]

that's photoshopped

[ebon notch]

[slow marsh]

just kidding i'm doing p2 bombs now i think cuz @wicked obsidian is OP

[bleak sky]

dap how bout you || have a beautiful day I hope you're doing great ||

[limber lion]

Yeah, I was 100% sure I would be in because I'm one of the highest dps boys and the fight is great for assa, but just don't have room unfortunately

I did a lot of research to the fight beforehand, nolife grinded out items, spent a lot of time simming and going through the fight

oh well

[rustic bison]

We did it, we beat the video game!

[slow marsh]

sue em

for emotional damage

[bleak sky]

is jailer really a 5 heal fight

[oak sky]

Im bouta sue covid for emotional damage bro

[kindred rapids]

sin blasts on jailor

[limber lion]

Yes, everyone 5 heals it

[slow marsh]

dps isn't an issue when you can just mindgames

[limber lion]

just not enough melee spots, they value a FDK more than an Assa rogue

[kindred rapids]

oof

[bleak sky]

don't see how that's the case

amz can't be that good

[slow marsh]

also weird it's fdk

[limber lion]

3 people need to sit regardless, so 3 people wouldn't be happy anyways

One of them just happened to be me, oh well

[bleak sky]

just sad to not see you playing

F

[limber lion]

Yeh

I missed out on Halondrus

Anduin

[slow marsh]

esp for fdk that seems like trolling

[limber lion]

and now Jailer

very unpoggers

[bleak sky]

anduin is fine right

[slow marsh]

unless they're swapping udk

[mortal pike]

any mythic holandrusers in the chat?

[limber lion]

I was very hyped for this tier and just missed out on all the cool bosses.

[bleak sky]

yes all of us

[limber lion]

Very depressing

[mortal pike]

how bad does ball duty suck

[oak sky]

Fdk for lod?

[slow marsh]

no

jailer

[oak sky]

Unholy

[bleak sky]

first bombs suck don't get gaslit into doing them

[oak sky]

Wtf

[slow marsh]

ye ik

but cev got benched for fdk

[bleak sky]

idk about later bombs but they should be fine

[bleak sky]

no man it's frost

[limber lion]

Yeh kinda tilted that it was announced so late

[kindred rapids]

your guild is too crowded, need to find one without rogues

[limber lion]

Wouldn't have put so much effort into farming and grinding

[slow marsh]

if they can play frost on jailer you should say that you hsould be able to play outlaw

[limber lion]

Probably wouldn't have grinded the CoS ring either

[kindred rapids]

assuming you're still in push's guild

[limber lion]

or idk

maybe I would have idkl

It's okay

we get raid utility in 10.0

we'll be a useful class

[ebon notch]

100% you would have

[limber lion]