#assassination

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subtle tundra
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same.

slow marsh
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I think flag will be an option but also that's far away from now and lots of feedback posts between now and then

glass tulip
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im one of our best surviving players so I am a PI target besad

oak sky
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this is my peak dps lmao

strange python
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Flag would feel bad tbh. Without obedience the CD timing would just be frustrating

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And good lord I do not want ER or Sepsis in talents

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Maybe SBS as a cleave option

subtle tundra
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fuck bonespike

slow marsh
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It would but from a dev who doesn't know how rogue works perspective

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They would pick flag

glass tulip
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I spike at about 45k

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then 25k on cds

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this seems like consistency

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so I'm happy with it

oak sky
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is that lihuvim

glass tulip
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H jailer

slow marsh
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If this tier set thing taught me anything it taught me that I don't need to worry about being pesky or annoying about feedback and it's better to push hard for good changes than to settle for just ok stuff

oak sky
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oh

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never done h jailer

glass tulip
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I have most of the fight where I could write the order of globals on a spreadsheet

strange python
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Is cev awake yet

oak sky
strange python
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I'm in on lords and have questions

glass tulip
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even more scripted

slow marsh
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So I'm not worried about talents n such for next xpac

oak sky
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what about lords

slow marsh
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Lord's you play zold and hold for first swarm

oak sky
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no you definitely go dusk

rotund oak
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278 shoulders with avoidance on 2ez

strange python
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Why are all the top logs playing dusk

oak sky
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what are you talking about

slow marsh
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Nope

rotund oak
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im gonna be the tankiest assassination

glass tulip
oak sky
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oh

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k

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L

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me

glass tulip
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L rogue

oak sky
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whens lust

strange python
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So the public zold logs just bad?

glass tulip
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ratio'd

slow marsh
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Swarm is 2mins apart and dusk fucks your vend timing cuz amogus

strange python
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We're gonna lust final swarm

slow marsh
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Ye even better to play zold then

oak sky
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yeah lust final swarm would be in zold window

glass tulip
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what is "final"

oak sky
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so you actually get value

glass tulip
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how many do you plan on getting

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4?

strange python
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Idk, I just show up and press my rotation

glass tulip
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fair point

oak sky
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damn not dusk though

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someone was saying kevin

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i think thats probably right

strange python
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Definitely Kevin

oak sky
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because heimir would line up weird sometimes too

strange python
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Load Kevin up on the add

slow marsh
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Ye Kevin + zold

strange python
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Murder my friends in among us for more Kevin.

slow marsh
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Subt ds CT that stuff is normal

strange python
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Bro FUCK subterfuge

oak sky
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yeah and then you play mp because..

strange python
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I have too much shrouded suff muscle memory

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Every subt vanish I want to gar Mut gar

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Or just 3x gar on lords

slow marsh
oak sky
strange python
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Stack mastery because you have enough energy regen from 2t rupture, mastery mp goes brr?

subtle tundra
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because....?

slow marsh
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Crit mast

oak sky
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exactly mp is op dude

strange python
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I got ur back agr

subtle tundra
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hmm

oak sky
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oh and then you go wound poison

subtle tundra
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new broken build?

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mastery stack?

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the cursed 9.1 build

strange python
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I should prob run a 2t sim

oak sky
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its weird because of burst windows

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so

slow marsh
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The 2t sim is gonna mess you up but go for it

strange python
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Fuck man I'm too lazy for this

slow marsh
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2t sim is gonna say heirmer dusk

strange python
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I just wanna raid on like 10 edibles

oak sky
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2t sim is probably heirmir zold wdym

subtle tundra
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also sim zoldyck since cev said its better

slow marsh
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Zold is better we already said that bit

strange python
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I'm more curious about 2t stat weight changes

oak sky
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you cant really sim it tho unless you got the custom shit

slow marsh
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Cuz of vend lineups

subtle tundra
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(i havent gotten to lords yet. fuck)

strange python
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If energy regen reduced haste value

oak sky
slow marsh
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2t is just crit mast homie nothing major

strange python
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K stack vers

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Use sub set

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Got u

subtle tundra
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more crit so mutilate doesnt give 2 cp all the time

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(i cry)

strange python
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Curious if earthbreaker is the play too...

shrewd iron
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
slow marsh
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Cache if you have it FOR SURE

oak sky
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im a doubter

strange python
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Nope

subtle tundra
oak sky
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do you have sigil

strange python
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I have 278 phial, 278 shadowgrasp, 278 earthbreaker. No other trinks atm

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I didn't get brought to panth

slow marsh
strange python
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And we don't do heroic anymore

oak sky
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not even on reclear

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oh ur extendo

strange python
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We extended the second we hit halondrus

oak sky
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yeah

glass tulip
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I think that is the move

strange python
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Which was like the next day because lithium easy

slow marsh
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Uhhhh then yeah phial Earth breaker ig

oak sky
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haha yeah dude haha lithium easy hah

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a

strange python
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What's wiping yall

oak sky
subtle tundra
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the boss

slow marsh
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Lihuvium is easy when you don't have monkeys popping motes

oak sky
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dude its not even the motes

strange python
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I got blamed for popping motes too btw

oak sky
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we wasted a lot of time not having a warrior

strange python
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I pulled up 2 hours of vod review for every mote popped

oak sky
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and then we wasted a lot of time being inconsistent

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and now we're just waiting for everyone to live to the last synthesis

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so we can kill the boss

slow marsh
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Rip what are people even dying to

strange python
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Are you on blind duty?

slow marsh
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There's nothing to die to

subtle tundra
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oy wtf i got 2pc on fire magus wtf do i do with FOUR more seconds of combust, i was running dry before

strange python
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Probably dying to motes or pushpull

oak sky
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and obviously

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you use your fire blasts which recover faster!

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and your venthyr fire blasts!

glass tulip
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our fire mages were close to bottom synth dps kekw

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no finger players

subtle tundra
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💀 BRO MY WARRIOR GEAR IS CURSED CAN I STOP GETTING HASTE WTF?!??!?!?!?

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oak sky
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im nice at fire mage bro

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i topped our group when we did heroic

slow marsh
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Like our biggest issue was people greeding CDs on schematics and then being monkeys with the degen mote spawns and dropping them on boss and not behind center

oak sky
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and my mage is rat aff

glass tulip
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imagreondup

oak sky
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rat af

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agreonicy

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the fire mage

strange python
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So I learned something this week

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Warrior is the most braindead simple class in the game

slow marsh
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Duh

glass tulip
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execute when it glows, or bladestorm

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ez

subtle tundra
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yes?

slow marsh
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Actually false but

subtle tundra
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mad?

strange python
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Any rogue that is 90% parsing could 99% on warrior

slow marsh
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DH exists

strange python
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I think momentum DH prob harder than warrior

slow marsh
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Momentum is stupid tho

oak sky
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momentum is chill dude its just a slam your windows thing

strange python
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The hardest part of warrior is using spear and reck at the same time????

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And taking advantage of buff/activation delay

slow marsh
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Well according to the monkey warriors in my group the hardest part about warrior is getting lucky procs

strange python
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What procs

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Are they arms or fury

slow marsh
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Fury

subtle tundra
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press reck and getting 50% chance on bladestorm aoe

strange python
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Fucking Crushing Blow procs?

subtle tundra
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if you get that 50%, you do big aoe

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if you dont,

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tough shit

strange python
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You don't even run kyrian on ST :(

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They just go NF and smash buttons

subtle tundra
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Varasedger does though

slow marsh
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They just blame parses 100% on proc uptime and it's kinda Cring

oak sky
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bro what a name

strange python
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Could you imagine if flag didn't have stacks?

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You just sent it and it did flat damage?

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That's warrior

slow marsh
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Like sepsis you mean ?

subtle tundra
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sepsis you gotta line with shiv

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brrrrrr

strange python
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Sorta. Sepsis had shiv interactions.

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You literally just mash all your keys as they come off CD as warrior

slow marsh
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I mean I get the point you trying to make tho ye

strange python
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Why are we all not playing that class

oak sky
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warrior is for smart players only

strange python
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Melee DPS with utility that's stronger than us like 90% of the time

slow marsh
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Because that's close to a slippy slope argument

strange python
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And you could have played prot to farm legion gear last week

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Instead of being beggars

slow marsh
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Why is anyone playing ranged DPS when lock exists

strange python
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Good question

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We're running 6 warlock anduin.

slow marsh
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Just bring one mage for int and stack 4 locks

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Oh 6 well why not 8

strange python
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We made two mages gear up locks for anduin

slow marsh
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Like that's so dumb

strange python
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Busted class

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Dw they're not good on lords or rygelon

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Wait

slow marsh
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Why not just go 12 boomkins, half venth half NF and call it a day?

oak sky
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we have 3 hunters 2 warlocks 3 mages

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so fun!

strange python
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20 prot pallies

slow marsh
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Wait you have 3 hunters 3 mages and can't kill schematics?!?!

strange python
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Just ashen and go next

slow marsh
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What the actual fk

oak sky
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we had 1 hunter before

subtle tundra
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yo varasedger gotta replace that offhand i must say

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oak sky
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and 2 mages are frost rn 1 mage wasnt around last time

slow marsh
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Oh ok

oak sky
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but one of the frost mages is sick at arcane and hes the only guy that can beat me on a schematic

strange python
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Varassdger no faulty or ows?

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How are you topping schematic dam as a rogue

slow marsh
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I mean don't get me wrong I'm green parsing so that we kill schematics guaranteed every time

glass tulip
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:)

strange python
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That's cooked

oak sky
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im orange parsing so we kill schematics every time

glass tulip
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or schematic no die

oak sky
subtle tundra
slow marsh
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Cap you're not orange parsing and still cding adds

oak sky
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i just do the first one

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the rest dont line up

glass tulip
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he orange parses in schematic damage

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in round 1 only

strange python
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I blue parse lithium even with CDs on boss :( no earthbreaker/cache for that last intermission, no orange.

slow marsh
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I mean I'm a sub main now so it doesn't matter but

oak sky
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i do one of the highest overall schematic damage anyway

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even without cding all of them

strange python
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That's wild

oak sky
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im 5th or something

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and top 2 first one

strange python
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I used symbols on schematic and was still near dead last

slow marsh
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I was highest dam on schematics earlier by kind of a lot

strange python
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How

glass tulip
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stabs send log pepepls so we can convince our raids they suck

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lol

strange python
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Private

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I can try to screencap but I'm on mobile

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Cev linked his awhile back too

glass tulip
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screenshot schem damage, all we need

slow marsh
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Ye srz I try to greed CDs on boss like 15s before phasing and then we can't kill schematics so I have to hold

strange python
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I drop like 200k on schematic and I'm still bottom

timid cloud
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I had it happen to me, then I got fed PI just to nuke it, I hate life…

slow marsh
strange python
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Holy fuck modots

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Dude cried last time I played with him

oak sky
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just tonight i was 4th

timid cloud
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I’d be toxic too about a raid member of yours, but it’s too much.

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Ice blades that is.

slow marsh
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Modots ranged tonight because melee are apes but we have vod clips of him running into 3 motes

glass tulip
timid cloud
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OOF

slow marsh
strange python
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Modots literally cried in discord

slow marsh
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Idgaf

strange python
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Last time I played with him

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I don't understand how your hunters aren't higher on schem damage?

timid cloud
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Mav did you see our parses right next to each other?

slow marsh
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They pop for first but after that everyone just fuckin holds for little add damage man idk

strange python
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Wait did macro bench himself

oak sky
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this is our overall from last night

strange python
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I'm triggered

oak sky
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to schematic

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and i only cd first

slow marsh
strange python
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He did that last tier too

slow marsh
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Ye he said that

strange python
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His guild did him dirty

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They all left before sylv and he had no logs because of that

strange python
timid cloud
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I hate that.

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Also always log for yourself in case anyone tried to hold your logs hostage to prevent you from climbing.

oak sky
strange python
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But they slammed schems

slow marsh
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Greeding for little adds **

oak sky
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probably cding pull

strange python
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Troll

timid cloud
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Ours are mix of Destro / demo

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Saving CD’s for adds

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Widdle cwinge

strange python
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Hunters saving WS for adds too?

slow marsh
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I mean our destro saves for first scheme but still doesn't do anything to it

strange python
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The fuck

timid cloud
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Nah, I think ours is sending to kill schemes for first split

strange python
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I'm triggered

slow marsh
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It's that misunderstanding of "boss damage literally doesn't matter. Only the schematics do"

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So everyone just ints their damage all around

oak sky
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boss damage literally doesnt matter

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my guild proves it over and over

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nobody does any damage ever pretty much

slow marsh
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Ye cuz they say over and over boss damage doesn't matter and then proceed to die before doing enough boss damage

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This whole anti-parsing "damage doesn't matter" bull shit needs to stop dude

oak sky
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not really

slow marsh
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Only creating more bad players

timid cloud
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Lol

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“We don’t need more gear to do this this isn’t a fight that we need gear for!”

oak sky
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they know certain players will do good boss damage anyway (me) and i carry it on every fight

timid cloud
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Same. Just simply deal damage….

oak sky
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im inting my valorant game by dying early so i can type in chat here

slow marsh
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Good

strange python
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Idk how to check just first schem dmg

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If I hit instance 1 it isn't filtering

timid cloud
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I think you highlight it.

gilded raptor
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Hey I sim higher as assassination than I do for sub is there any reason not to swap for raid?

timid cloud
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In the phase section at the top

strange python
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It's so fucky on mobile

slow marsh
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Like obviously killing the boss is more important than parsing, esp on prog. But people are convinced that parses don't matter to the point that they just suck but think they're fine

timid cloud
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Then right click it, yeah.

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Fucking logs on mobile LUL

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I hate it.

slow marsh
oak sky
strange python
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I got it

timid cloud
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Yeah, we did it! I got a single digit parse but I killed the boss!

slow marsh
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First scheme is scheme 1 lol

timid cloud
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Ecks dee

oak sky
strange python
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I can't screencap because it's being fucky but I'll say the breakdown: I did 200k with symbols. Hunter did 560k

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Mages 450k

slow marsh
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I mean yeah sub doesn't really pump schematics

strange python
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But how are yalls hunters not slamming them

slow marsh
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It just depends on lineup. First schematic is a lot different than total schematics for me

oak sky
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one of our hunters like just came back

slow marsh
oak sky
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other guy idk

strange python
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Fair, but our hunter and mage did top overall schem dmg too.

slow marsh
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This is 1st schem

strange python
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Your mages seem really low

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Idk

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You're vendettaing there?

oak sky
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yes

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oh

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mb

strange python
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I feel like it'd be better to have the mages and hunters play well than have a rogue use a 25 second damage amp on a 10 second target

hollow escarp
strange python
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Good lord

slow marsh
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Ye

strange python
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If my guild told me to vendetta the schematic I'd log off.

slow marsh
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This is 2nd

solid venture
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Just blast boss 4Heed

strange python
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I'm so confused what's going on with hunters and mages

hollow escarp
slow marsh
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I'm legit just carrying schematic damage

strange python
hollow escarp
strange python
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Breath that shit

hollow escarp
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I got a 0 on our kill

oak sky
strange python
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I guess

slow marsh
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It is 100% a waste

oak sky
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idk like you can only expect a certain level at least at my WR

slow marsh
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It's wasting half a CD of the thing my 4p used to be based around. It's bad

strange python
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I mean I guess killing the boss is better than not killing the boss

oak sky
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you cant just say people have to play better when some of them just cant

slow marsh
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The problem is that once you do it one time

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It's expected every time from there

hollow escarp
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yep

strange python
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But at a certain point it feels like the RL shouldn't be assigning rogue CDs there and should be scolding your hunters about holding their wild spirits like apes

slow marsh
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And then the other DPS get lazy

hollow escarp
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"let's just do it as we did on prog"

slow marsh
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Yep

timid cloud
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Just pidgenholed into a shit use of CD’s

hollow escarp
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like sludgefist doing no damage on pillars if I was on the bad soak

slow marsh
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It is what it is I mean I don't care about the current game too much at this point so whatevs

strange python
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In y'all's kills, are mages combusting there? Boomie convoke/ramp? Hunter spirits?

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All of those are better CDs than vend

oak sky
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theres only 1 fire mage in my guild

timid cloud
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Yeah, I had mages & Boomkins convoke.

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Our fire mage is out.

slow marsh
strange python
timid cloud
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So we got a frosty lad now.

hollow escarp
strange python
slow marsh
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Yeah but

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Damage

oak sky
slow marsh
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So ofc they are holding for pad

strange python
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Arcane should slam schematics

oak sky
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he went frost

strange python
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WUT

oak sky
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him and me were fighting for the top spot

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we can do it with him on frost

strange python
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Agreon

oak sky
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its not really a big deal

strange python
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Agreon

oak sky
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but hes like really sick at arcane so not my problem

strange python
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You have a mage who mains a high-burst short duration spec

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On a fight with a short duration burst add

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And he chose to do something else

slow marsh
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Ok so here's where you realize

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That our guilds

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Are 400+ for a reason

strange python
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But

slow marsh
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But nothing lmao

strange python
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Would you play outlaw on halondrus after maining sub

oak sky
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in that guild if i liked outlaw yes

strange python
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He mains the right spec and decided to change it for exactly the fight it's OP on!

oak sky
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they all want me to play sub

hollow escarp
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outlaw is still better on halondrus than most other classes

oak sky
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my entire guild

slow marsh
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Because he wants to pad on adds bro

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Like you don't realize how small minded these DPS out here are

oak sky
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tbh it doesnt matter at all

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because we can push with him on frost

strange python
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Bro an arcane main should be looking at lithium like a fat kid in a candy shop after a summer away at fat camp

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Like this is his time

oak sky
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he literally plays arcane every boss all the time

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and he just felt like trying frost again

strange python
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This is his moment

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He's got one shot

oak sky
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i think he hadnt played since bfa

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played frost

slow marsh
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Like how sin gamers looked at Lord's before they realized they're getting benched for 3 more surv hunters?

strange python
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But he spaghettid his sweater

hollow escarp
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I don't get the argument of others playing the optimal spec when we play assa there

oak sky
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this guy

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!

strange python
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Dude

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Lithium is his dream

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He's been waiting for this

hollow escarp
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if you don't wanna lose that much damage, play sub

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symbols on pull then rest on add

oak sky
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i dont care dudde

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i can do plenty of damage

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even with the shitty first set

slow marsh
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Yeah me either I don't play sin anymore

strange python
oak sky
strange python
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Like if you were a sub main who decided to play sin on zul

oak sky
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for a while me and him were on the same add

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his touch never went off with me

slow marsh
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It's like idk not playing the 'council spec on the council fight

oak sky
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bro my team sucks in val holy

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i mean im inting rounds but

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so are they

slow marsh
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Well just got gud bro idk

oak sky
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im literally alt tabbing all game

strange python
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Would you like to hear about my varus adc from last game?

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36 minute game, 1238 damage to champions

slow marsh
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I should've slept 2 hours ago so rip me waking up for work gnight gamers

strange python
oak sky
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we have an unloseable round rn

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we're about to lose it

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wow our sage knew their whole team was across the map and decided against rezzing

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sorry off topic

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done.

strange python
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Gotta keep it on topic for the super lively sin gaming at 1 am

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Btw I think cev had logs showing his damage to schematics with shiv was the same as it was with shiv and vend

glass tulip
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I recall some of that conversation as well

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Seemed like a skill issue, quite frankly

oak sky
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who knows

glass tulip
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Bad rogue players Cring

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We have to fight to reclear pantheon tomorrow and then onto lihuv, thankfully we gain an rdps or two

strange python
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I'm half glad I was out for panth because fuck that fight

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Half sad because I never got sigil

glass tulip
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I want to just play venthyr tbh

oak sky
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panth was easy

strange python
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Panth has my least favorite fight design: visual clutter fuckeryv

glass tulip
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It's less easy with 2 mm hunters, a mage and spriest as only ranged

oak sky
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its p boring ye

glass tulip
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And 3 people who can't stay alive longer than 60 seconds

oak sky
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getting assigned to adds feels pretty bad but

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its whatever

strange python
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I just hate how much garbage is on the floor in p3

glass tulip
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Yeah I don't mind it, I just rotate between bleeds and kicking gloom bolts

oak sky
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my bleeds literally dropped for like 20s in p1 today

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lmao

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i could probably beat some of our aoe classes and im first prio to get sent to an add

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because sin st lol

glass tulip
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I use vendetta on an add in p3

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During lust

oak sky
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i dont

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i just hold it lol

glass tulip
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It's only me and 1 mage

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So I have no choice

oak sky
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today it was me a dh and whatever ranged were left after killing the far one

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idk

glass tulip
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Oh whale

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We'll get to jailer eventually

oak sky
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huh i did 23k in p3

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nearly as much as our fdks

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and they get to stay on boss

sick aspen
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Does an empowered garrote/rupture have a different spell id for tracking with addons?

storm onyx
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
timid cloud
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I just want to be in for Panth.

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I keep getting sat for it. Sigil pls…

indigo mulch
#

I wouldnt mind a sigil either. PepeHands

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The cache trinket sims higher for me though.

bleak sun
#

278 arachnid cypher ring socket + 4rth part crafted Sinscheme

brazen zodiac
#

no sleep gang

solid venture
#

What is sleep

brazen zodiac
#

i got woken up to a blizzard cuz i left the window open cuz i didnt think itd snow almsot into may

sour citrus
#

What happened to whispyr's pin about unity to belt
Did that changed?

drifting cloud
#

if you want to minmax unity youre gonna recraft it depending on your drops

sour citrus
#

Have helm, shoulder, legs and chest tier

drifting cloud
#

you can just do a topgear sim with untiy in every slot

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to see if any of the slots stand out for your current gear

sour citrus
#

Ah, didn't think of that. Thank you

latent dew
#

Got 4 tier sets and venthyr but does less dmg than when i go with fae

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zzz

marble hemlock
#

Did you swap to the correct talents before simming venthyr?

craggy oak
limber lion
#

Mythic Sigil in the bag EZ

craggy oak
#

Gz

vestal wren
faint harness
strange silo
#

Hey u guys still gamble for theotar haste tea/good umbrella uptime or just slam nadja? nadja feels more reliable

limber lion
#

I choose my soulbind depending on the encounter.

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I've done some sims around umbrella uptime and not getting close to full value from it is a noticeable loss in dps

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Nadja is def better for fights where you're running around a lot

strange silo
#

alright i always feel like my umbrella uptime sucks so i guess im better of just going nadja even if sims tell me its 130 dps gain

limber lion
#

Yeah

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Only getting 50% uptime is around a 300 dps loss

strange silo
#

ok thanks for the input

limber lion
#

So you'd want close to 80%+ uptime on the umbrella to beat out Nadja

strange silo
#

damn thats pretty big to know

limber lion
#

Getting an umbrella proc during lust/potion/cds is pretty massive

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But that's not quite reliable

brave trench
#

yo bruvs which weapon to use from the cache trinket? 😄

copper hazel
#

!cache

prisma monolithBOT
#

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

brave trench
craggy oak
indigo mulch
#

Cache actually sims insanely high for me. Like 200 dps sigil is at like 150 only =c

raven knoll
#

Hey I have a qustion I got a weapon that is better than my previous dagger by 11 agility and I got cloak that is better than my previous cloak by 28 agility. If I look at the tooltip for lets say Crimson Tempest, the dagger added like 200 damage to the tooltip but the cloak added only 90 damage. Does anyone know why is dagger adding more damage to spells when it should scale with agility and not weapon damage?

hollow river
#

MH weapon is the biggest upgrade you can get

devout moth
#

what about offhand?

hollow river
#

Off hand is less important

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For basically the 2nd best upgrade

devout moth
#

how much less important is it if you would dare to slap a percentage on it? 😛

hollow river
#

(This excludes items with effects such as trinkets)

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I would not dare

devout moth
#

Idk if i should buy pvp offhand or a trinket upgrade

limber lion
hollow river
#

I would sim it

limber lion
#

You ALWAYS have to sim stuff

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WoW is unfortunately a game where you cannot find upgrades by just napkin math

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you have to ism it

hollow river
#

^

devout moth
#

shouldn't there be a formula how damage is calculated though

raven knoll
#

Oh I was confused, because on wowhead the formula mentioned only attack power

iron orchid
#

because it does not reflect any rotation

hollow river
iron orchid
#

you damage is affected by many other factors than just the raw damage on your abilities

hollow river
#

Weapon damage, main stat, secondary stats, legendaries, tier sets, talents, conduits, trinkets, ability damage

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It’s not so simple that you can just come up with percentages on your own

limber lion
#

There are simply way too many variables in the game where you cannot figure out upgrades by simple napkin math.

iron orchid
limber lion
#

Blizzard has pushed the importance of ilvl recently in Shadowlands, and usually it's the better choice

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But when choosing between a cape upgrade and a trinket, it's not as simple

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Tooltips are also very often simply false

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They just flat out have wrong numbers

iron orchid
#

I personnally open my vault just to get a socket, no need to worry about simming, I'm sure i'm getting an upgrade

errant swallow
#

So I decided to try assassination last night on our heroic cleanup.

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My gear isn't optimal

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But I felt like I was playing feral druid on steroids.

normal mist
#

Yes

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Join the dark side

#

It's fun here

errant swallow
#

Felt like constantly keeping track of bleeds instead of focusing on mechanics, which by now they are quite easy.

normal mist
#

Any WA helps you with that

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I personally use TellMeWhen (been using it for years now) and I I track stuff just finr

errant swallow
#

Yeah basically, that's what I meant

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I was keeping an eye on all my WAs

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I also used tmw

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But then I realized I could do the exact same thing with was

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World of Weakauras

devout moth
#

how the heck do i sim for a pvp burst situation

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resonator simming lower than a normal pvp trinket for a 20sec patchwerk fight kek

limber lion
#

You can sim something like 20s target dummy sim

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patchwork uses all buffs, potions, lust and so on

devout moth
#

does raidbots not press on use trinkets or smth

limber lion
#

it definitely does

devout moth
#

cause resonator has same base stats

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but sims lower

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should be same without using on use

limber lion
#

it is the same

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What is your second trinket?

#

You do realize trinkets have a 20s cooldown

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and your trinket 2 is your second treinket

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meaning it will not use your second trinket at all

devout moth
#

i see, good find!

#

ty

limber lion
#

because it's on cooldown

normal mist
#

If we talking about a pvp situation ofc

rustic shoal
#

Does Sepsis proc some kind of buff when you have the 5 seconds to use 1 free ability from stealth? Using Luxthos Weakauras with no default frames, so nothing like actionbar changing when I can use ability from stealth. Hoping to make an aura for when that part of the ability procs. Thanks in advance for the help.

EDIT: Found it. For anyone else wanting to do the same, https://www.wowhead.com/spell=347037/sepsis is the buff. Spell ID is 347037. (edited)

Wowhead
Sepsis

Infect the target's blood, dealing (162.89% of Attack power) Nature damage over 10 sec. If the target survives its full duration, they suffer an additional (77.5667% of Attack power) damage and you gain 1 use of any Stealth ability for 5 sec.Cooldown reduced by 30 sec if Sepsis does not last its full duration.Awards 1 combo point.

potent dagger
#

@limber lion Nadija or Theo for MM+ (don't like Necro)

#

?

feral lantern
#

much differnce between venthyr and nightfae in m+?

rustic shoal
golden kraken
#

What do we do in our MA windows when it lines up with flag-vendetta?

dry copper
#

later vanishes aren't as nicely synced w/ vend, but it's the same vanish mut env mut

golden kraken
#

Cool ty, I saw some logs where it looked like instead of envenom people were applying bleeds in the ma window so i wasnt sure if there was some interaction there or something

verbal radish
#

It depends on what you need. There's a priority list of finishers I think, based on fight timing..like in vendetta vs not in vendetta?

dry copper
#

was gar dropping off perhaps?

violet jackal
#

Most likely

dry copper
#

opener you've got plenty of time, cause you just applied dots before vend/shiv/vanish

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later in fight things are more inconsistent

verbal radish
#

if it's flat vendetta and bleeds are dropping, I'd assume bleed. Otherwise envenom.

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As luvly said, early envenom is easier cause everything is full duration already

hollow river
dry copper
#

I checked before posting, and it's after the flag build period ends, but before vend ends

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flag @ 2:26, vend 2:29, vanish 2:45. Which seems bad to me, since sim coulda vanished earlier, since the first vanish was at :08

verbal radish
#

Yeah? I've always found value in the vanish during flag build for the combo.points it gives

dry copper
#

agreed. It really should be synced.

verbal radish
#

Helps get finishes off

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Finishers

dry copper
#

odd. only got off 2 vanishes in 5 min sim too, because that 30s delay carried over to the next too.

hollow river
#

Even if vanish is at 2:45 there’s time for a 3rd

dry copper
#

it was a 4:45 sim, which is w/in the 5m sim variance. So it didnt' get a 3rd.

limber lion
#

Can be Envenom, Rupture or CT. Doesn't matter at all.

limber lion
#

LUL Yeah Assa is terrible, that's why I do almost 1k more damage than any of the 277 ilvl Sub rogues on fights like RYGELON. Must have just gotten super lucky with procs I guess.

#

Also slamming on Lords

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And probably will on Jailer

#

Terrible spec

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Best parse on Halondrus is an ASSA rogue without a single external

#

damn he must have been super lucky I guess

hollow escarp
limber lion
#

playing a spec with minimal rng, still beating out the 300 casino spec boys

#

damn

#

lucker noob

hollow river
#

Yep trash spec

limber lion
#

Yeh don't play assa

#

it's awful

#

it's copium if you do

willow eagle
#

Assa does seem to do considerably more boss damage than sub

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Except like lihivum

#

Although I saw 0 public jailer logs

hollow escarp
limber lion
hollow escarp
#

since we're asked to use on protoform and the other automa, boss damage is kinda low

limber lion
#

My old parse is like 500 dps higher than the number one boss damage parse as well

#

damn

willow eagle
#

But I have a strong suspicion assa would excell at boss damage on jailer

limber lion
#

must be my insane gear again

#

good thing the sub boys are all 10 ilvl behind

#

oh wait

#

they're all 277 as well

#

that's crazy

willow eagle
limber lion
#

so that's probably why

willow eagle
#

Assa on halo also seems insane

hollow escarp
#

holy, the rank 1 guy was also doing bombs

limber lion
#

isn't halondrus the sub fight??

#

you should never play assa there

hollow river
#

Glad we all agree

indigo mulch
#

Outlaw fight.

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Ez

limber lion
#

any assassination haters in the chat

willow eagle
#

Was about to try assa in a pug but cev talked me out of it SadgeCry

indigo mulch
keen aurora
#

Cev woke up today and chose anger

indigo mulch
#

I love my assassination though.

limber lion
keen aurora
#

Some wild 4/20 copium smoke

indigo mulch
#

Isent sin doing really well atm? =o

hollow river
#

I mean honestly sub is the easier prog spec this tier

limber lion
#

Assa is really, really good.

#

There's some plebs out there who say it's a bad spec, but they're just flat out wrong

hollow river
#

And it’s just easier to gear for if you have sylv daggers

limber lion
#

I'm actually a bit tilted we're doing private logs

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because my point would be so much stronger if we had public logs

indigo mulch
#

Sub comes online faster than sin because sylv daggers.

limber lion
#

same gear than the sub boys, still blasting them out the water

#

Yeah, Sub was definitely the better spec early on

#

Eventually you'll catch up on gear

indigo mulch
#

Yep

hollow river
#

Assa is also just much more difficult than last tier

limber lion
#

Yep

#

That is true

hollow river
#

Sub is basically the same with added slot machine action

limber lion
#

Yep

keen aurora
limber lion
#

I don't think so

hollow river
limber lion
#

It's just ignorance

indigo mulch
#

I think a lot of people just go sub because m+ anf its just way easier to play.

limber lion
#

People are not aware of its strength

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Not many people play it

willow eagle
#

4 set made me wanna play assa tbh

limber lion
#

I can't wait for farm

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when I get to blast public logs

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and destroy all the sub rogues

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with my rng

subtle tundra
#

farm bitches

willow eagle
#

I like the current pacing of the spec

indigo mulch
#

Rng? Lol

limber lion
#

Yep

#

It's a bad spec so me beating the op sub rogues has to either be because of gear or rng

#

but gear doesn't work because the sub rogues are also 277 ilvl

#

so must be rng

indigo mulch
#

Ahhh

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100% crit

#

For sure.

ebon notch
#

I've gotten some interesting DMs over the past few days lmao

limber lion
#

wow

#

inters

hollow escarp
#

kinda funny to see thousands of rogues farming assa ring, when there's only 20 assa rogues atm PepeLaugh

limber lion
gritty flame
#

Ez

subtle tundra
#

but assa bad?

indigo mulch
#

Ah rng strikes again

subtle tundra
#

wtf

limber lion
indigo mulch
#

Ah no. He had 30 externals.

#

Ez

limber lion
#

oh yeah true

#

we actually played 2/18/1

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and we had 18 holypriests

polar cape
#

Those were defensive fairy <.<

indigo mulch
#

I knew it

limber lion
#

use BF/PI on me

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on cooldown

#

I was the only dps

#

just getting simped by 18 holy priests

indigo mulch
#

Yeah makes sense. Because assa could never do those numbers without it.

#

Has to be

polar cape
#

Need one kyrian boumy too just to be extra thick

indigo mulch
#

Who is saying that sin is bad though?

limber lion
#

Iceblades

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for one

#

and a bunch of others

indigo mulch
#

I mean.. Sub is def better in some situations

#

But like..

#

Does that make sin bad?

#

=s

hollow river
#

Terribad spec

indigo mulch
hollow river
#

The loss of flexibility would also just have me insta sat in my raid

#

Even if I could get my sin to sim = to my sub

indigo mulch
#

I never get sat in raid because of "inflexibility"

hollow river
#

Then either your raid must have better add damage on adds that take prio over boss, or you’re making due sub-optimally in that situation

feral lantern
#

to be optimal should the raid be like 2 tanks 3 healers and 15 warlocks then?

indigo mulch
#

There are ao many other classes that just have better aoe than rogues.

hollow river
#

I never said aoe

rapid prism
#

is zoldyk stil the go to M+ leggo with 4p, double leggo?

hollow river
#

I’m talking about full ST swaps to an add etc

hollow river
hollow river
#

Unless they all played the weird specs that aren’t demo starege

indigo mulch
#

Sure we suffer fron swapping. If you need your rogue/s to swap to sub because you lack prio dmg. I feel like something was wrong in the first place.

hollow river
#

Just comp based

indigo mulch
#

Ah well what do i know. Im just a filthy casual.

ebon notch
#

ringless sim

#

im doomed to be a peasant for the rest of the tier

winter gale
#

Agility potion + Sharped stones for all content?

violet jackal
spice spire
winter gale
#

Quick sim is using Phantom, ty ty ❤️

violet jackal
#

Phantom and oil does better in single target by less than 1%

native belfry
#

Guys, what should I add to sim PI?

winter gale
#

Biggest value is what I need the most?

Snimka_zaslona_2.png
hollow river
violet jackal
#

After 4 piece our stat weights become pretty balanced. Item level is typically going to be your biggest gains

winter gale
#

Good, good. I use top gear exclusively, I just wanted to check em.

hollow river
#

👍

ebon notch
#

crit went from being my worst stat to my best stat again

spice spire
violet jackal
#

Pretty sure there a perfect stat mixture the sims will lead us to. But with the stats being so close it a constant cycle of gains if you change any slot

spice spire
#

And then the time intervals

#

I think the best line for me was external_buffs.power_infusion=6/126/246/366 (necrolord tho)

native belfry
#

Thanks ❤️

spice spire
native belfry
#

I think I should sim first and see when does the simulation press flag and VD

mystic fractal
#

tried assa on first 7 bosses of hc last night gang, it was a bit chaotic keeping dot uptimes for me but felt pretty fresh compared to sub all expansion!

#

decision making on sending it w/ CDs always feels rough on a swap

spice spire
uneven summit
#

is simming set on a default on cache?

#

cuz earthbreaker sims now ST than cache for me

strange python
#

I don't wanna be in on lords :(

gusty mirage
hollow escarp
#

277% haste on Muezhala InsaneChamp

ebon notch
#

apparently wasnt enough

#

i learnt my lesson

hexed kite
#

!stats

prisma monolithBOT
#

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Haste > Vers > Mastery
Note: Having a frost set equipped makes crit much better, usually making it your best stat by a good margin.

gusty mirage
#

here's this really cool item that's really really good for you with a shit drop rate

#

only around for 1 week every 4 months

ebon notch
#

its literally on every single classes loot pool

#

its insane

gusty mirage
#

ty papa blizzard

ebon notch
#

one of my guildies came with me as a trader

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and then when he looted it he kept it

#

but we dont talk about that YEP

solar stump
ebon notch
solar stump
ebon notch
#

it is how it is

gusty mirage
#

that's almost as fucked as that one dude who dropped 2 rings, said everyone was shit and dipped, in @brazen zodiac's run

solar stump
brazen zodiac
#

contacted my whole ass professor and everything yo

gusty mirage
brazen zodiac
#

im leveling a hunter

#

do i delete my rogue

#

i think its time oxi

gusty mirage
#

no don't delete the rogue

#

keep it there as a reminder of the pain

brazen zodiac
#

i was pumpin on skolex last night man i wouldve 100 parsed on mythic

#

its all the ring oxi zzz

polar sinew
#

hey there is somewhere a way to know what i do bad in my rotation in m+ ? i sim for 10k6 on raidbot but i'm at 5/6k in overall at the end of dungeon ....

ebon notch
hollow escarp
gusty mirage
woven ruin
#

What is the realistic chance of us ever getting vendetta on ourselves and not the target? It would make the 4pc so much better.

gusty mirage
#

it's a 5(6?) minute chunk of a dungeon to be there to tell you how to gear for m+

#

not an indication of how much overall damage you'll do, there's way too much that goes into a dungeon for the sim to account for

gusty mirage
hollow escarp
#

but at the same time, it doesn't make sense for what the spell means

polar sinew
#

i prio ilvl but i try to get at 25% haste and 35/40% crit. Actually, im 252 ilvl for 39 crit/17 haste/33 mastery/12 versa
i try to be careful about my dot on every target (most of them at least) and don't throw CP (over cap)
but at the end i'm every time the last dps from far and sometimes worst, i'm behind the tank T-T

rose dirge
#

Wait how do i add pi to sims?

polar sinew
#

i can time +12/+13 m+ but i'm bullied at the end about the overall ^^"

gusty mirage
#

also in case anyone's wondering

ebon notch
#

offset it by 5 seconds

#

thats the biggest gain i found

gusty mirage
#

crit tea is like.... +20 dps over nadjia

#

at least for me

#

unlucky

rose dirge
#

Yeah theotar always sims higher then nadjia for me even without the tea added in sims

#

I got +850 with 3 pi's in 5 min sim

#

Hard to get pi though when officers playing warlock/firemage

strange python
#

Morning assers

rose dirge
#

Are you guys mostly playing nf st build or venthyr Crimson Tempest build?

hollow river
#

Most are playing Venthyr I think

kindred rapids
strange python
#

What about the women

vestal wren
gusty mirage
#

yeah the secret tech is roll tea, if it aint haste just don't bother switching conduits

#

I call it Oxi's Timesaver 2022

hollow escarp
#

last time I checked, any tea was better than Nadjia for me

gusty mirage
#

I'm not going to haven or the sanctum to change conduits for 20 dps bro

#

"yo hold up, I gotta switch out my sub conduits for sin conduits for this FAT +20 DPS"

polar sinew
#

do you know something that i can use to generate logs on dummies and then use to know where i do bad things in my rotation ?

#

i remember at nyalota, our RL used something like that and i knew what i did wrong like not use vanish enough... things like that

lilac hedge
polar sinew
#

yes i think !

#

do i need to pay soemthing ? bcs my Rl liked to pay for a lot of things to opti the raid

gusty mirage
#

don't use wowanalyzer

polar sinew
#

like raidbot to get more it

polar sinew
gusty mirage
#

Posting your raid logs here and asking people for help going through them

#

last update assassination got on Wowanalyzer:

unknown.png
#

"partial support"

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with no clarification

polar sinew
#

i dont raid atm it's more m+ with friends

gusty mirage
#

"partial support"

hollow escarp
#

added warning lol

polar sinew
#

thats why i want an addons to get logs adn then use it on the web somewhere

balmy condor
#

Added potency conduit

gusty mirage
#

all they got is "bump to partial support"

vast loom
#

hey guys in my opener i feel really energy starved should i pool energy before i start the flag sequence?

oak sky
loud light
limber lion
gusty mirage
#

afaik whispyr reached out to them

#

and was met with radio silence

#

so

native belfry
balmy condor
#

They reached out to us in 9.0 for a google doc of things that don’t work

#

And then nothing happened for a year

fleet whale
#

blizz should add Microsoft Excel integration in WoW for Dragonflight

limber lion
vestal wren
native belfry
#

Btw how good is simcraft regarding our current rotation?

vestal wren
#

quite good

balmy condor
#

Simcraft/raidbots is always on the bleeding edge

native belfry
#

Cuz like
I went through ability usage during last sim and it just tends to use VD on cd regardless of flag

limber lion
#

link the sim

#

because the only reason it would do that is if it gets an extra cast off

#

I actually did sims to see if hard syncing everytime is a gain

#

and it is neutral

#

meaning that you can do that safely every single time without worry

#

but currently the sim only syncs if it doesn't lose out on casts, which is not something that's really plausible for us to be honest

#

So you should just sync every cast

viscid spear
#

Colors in the wind

native belfry
viscid spear
#

I wanna be red tho

willow eagle
#

I assume the apl for sin in simcraft uses the snapshot rotation if you're venthyr?

limber lion
#

I just explained why that happens

#

Sometimes you'll find the sim syncing everytinme

#

sometimes it will send and only sync sometimes

native belfry
#

Now I’m just curious)

limber lion
#

it depends on the fight length and which iteration you'll get when simming

native belfry
hexed root
#

Running theotar sin tonight on mythic dasagune. Any recommendations for looking at rotations/casts on the add when it comes up? Just dig through warcraft logs?

native belfry
#

and now it's synced

limber lion
#

Exactly

#

Because you got a fight length that favors it

native belfry
#

thanks for the explanation regardless

limber lion
#

Quick Sim will pull up one example iteration

#

out of 10 000 or whatever

#

if you scroll down, you can see that the fight ended at 4:16

#

which means that you won't lose anycasts

#

However if the iteration was 4:40 or something

#

then it would have surely sent out one Vendetta early

#

but yeah like I said

#

I've simmed it multiple times and syncing them each and everytime is neutral or even a slight gain

#

would recommend

willow eagle
#

So what's the deal with trinkets for sin? I see ppl using sigil but cache seems to be simming higher for me

native belfry
#

How crucial is to use shiv at the beginning of VD and not in the middle?

hexed root
limber lion
#

Do you by any chance have a lot of vers?

willow eagle
#

Ye about 27% vers because I mainly play outlaw

#

I can definitely re-gem gear to haste/ crit

#

And echants

hexed root
#

Regem to mastery tinfoil_pepe

limber lion
#

Yeah here's my droptimizer, you can see that the cache is 0.2% for me

#

But it's also a bit of a cheesy rng trinket, whereas Sigil is super solid and gains even more value on some fight lengths

#

Like it's amazing on Rygelon for example because you get a second use out of it and the boss dies less than a minute later.

#

I would only play Cache in m+ honestly

willow eagle
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oh yeah cache seems frustrating to fish for certain buffs on st

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I assume you want axe from cache?

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!cache

prisma monolithBOT
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Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

balmy condor
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Cev I can’t get rid of my vers

hollow escarp
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that's why 278 sigil is dps downgrade for me Hmm

limber lion
hollow escarp
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over 278 cache

balmy condor
harsh anchor
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Is the rule for letting empowered gars expire the same for bleeds in vendetta window when vendetta expires?

limber lion
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I miss us

balmy condor
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I’m kidding

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It felt okay on xymox

limber lion
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Soon

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Soon you'll realize the true potential

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Soon you'll get intrigued by the Vampires

balmy condor
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Idk man I got a 60 on skolex and was bottom of the meters kekW

limber lion
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monkas

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got 60 after doing what you told me in dm's?

balmy condor
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Always show me

limber lion
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ded spec

balmy condor