assassination

[odd heath]

It did

I'm returning the favor now and running keys with guildies to funnel for them

[brazen zodiac]

i get it

ur based

pog gl hopefully yall get it

round 2394082094823e100 here we go!

[odd heath]

GL

[spice spire]

First sigil and cache equal upgrades wtf

This is a cursed profile

[ripe gulch]

😦

cuz i have somewhat high vers prolly

from neck

if i replace my shit neck it should be better

[glass tulip]

so the set bonus also cuts pandemic in half, right?

[ripe gulch]

ye

[glass tulip]

I need to test but I feel my weakaura is cutting the initial timer in half but not the pandemic outline/glow

[ripe gulch]

so i should go for faulty?

[frail smelt]

best raiding soulbind for venthyr?

[glass tulip]

theotar with haste tea

[spice spire]

@glass tulip which wa do you have?

[glass tulip]

AUI

atrocity

[spice spire]

Ahhh atrocity

[spice spire]

It sims better for now

I’d focus on ring

[ripe gulch]

yeah

for sure

ring first

[spice spire]

Because the crit is probably what’s pushing it

Gonna assume you have fairly low Crit

[ripe gulch]

36%

not that low

[spice spire]

[ripe gulch]

but could be higher with a decent neck ofc

[drifting cloud]

is that not supposed to be a thing or

when I simmed cache, sigil and iqd were all like +-30

so I just assumed any of them is good enough

[spice spire]

Yeah usually it ends up being closeish, but sigil usually pumps ahead by a little.

[glass tulip]

yeah so it still glows my rupture at 7.2

fk

[spice spire]

Side by side is strange to me

[glass tulip]

think I can just add a condition?

[spice spire]

You can, then you have to apply it on the trigger

I ended up just getting mine to yell at me

[gritty flame]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[glass tulip]

sigh, I dont have the brain power after grinding dungeons to make a condition/trigger to fix this

[spice spire]

I have it saved somewhere hold

(Just make a new condition and add it to a trigger iirc) that’s how it worked with afenar’s

[glass tulip]

yeah but am dumb and dont know how to add "hey idiot vendetta is on your target"

into conditions

[spice spire]

That’s the trigger

You manually add it

[glass tulip]

sick, I added both of those, it still triggered glow on the 7.2 timer and then disappeared on 3.6

(am doing this on rupture)

pandemic vs set pandemic

[balmy condor]

you just need 2 tracks, one for rupture debuff, one for vendetta debuff

condition 1 is 7.2 sec left and no vendetta
condition 2 is 3.6 sec left and vendetta

ez pz

[spice spire]

^

What the smarter and more handsome catboy said

[glass tulip]

mhm...

can you tell I got a C in CS101

[balmy condor]

no because that has nothing to do with this

[glass tulip]

I understand the concept perfectly but the applying to menus does not translate

[ripe gulch]

this is what it has come to...

doing 2s

the amount of valor needed to upgrade from this

must be huge

[fading wigeon]

its around 2250 or something like that

[glass tulip]

2750

250*11

[fading wigeon]

ah

i stand corrected

[ripe gulch]

jesus christ

[fading wigeon]

just get it now, and upgrade it later when cap goes if need be

dont stress it

[glass tulip]

just get it now

[pure moth]

If only it was that easy

[limber lion]

Lords down, 2 more to go

[drowsy parcel]

extending begun already?

[limber lion]

Yeah, 2 of our bomb carriers on HallyD couldn't make it so didn't make sense to reprogress HallyD with new bomb carriers

[drowsy parcel]

fair enough

[limber lion]

Or at least that was the reasoning given

[drowsy parcel]

extending once you're past anduin seems like the play

[limber lion]

Yeeh, we def have all the needed gear already

[brazen zodiac]

@gusty mirage

this guy

looted 2 rings

im actually physically shaking

[glass tulip]

so do you have 1 now orrrr

[brazen zodiac]

no he has 2 and i have crippling depression and anxiety

and a fear of humanity after that evil act

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

3.2k io said all dps were dogshit then dipped

im not actually crying irl a little bit its ok

[carmine dawn]

Nice

Infectious finally read the assa pins

Stonks rising

[limber lion]

I like how he clickbaits doing 38k burst opener "with a little bit of a layer of PI on top"

[delicate smelt]

as Venth for single target Theo or Nadja?

[limber lion]

Either.

You can run Theotar if you get haste tea, doesn't really matter too much

[delicate smelt]

thanks 🙂

[rotund oak]

seen 5 rings drop today from CoS

[nova flax]

Is that the guy with the sexy accent

[rotund oak]

(none for me ofc)

[nova flax]

His guides are a bit sus but god DAMN i love his voice

[spice spire]

[ruby oyster]

does dausenge soak beam gets reduced by non talented feint?

[limber lion]

It does not.

[ruby oyster]

sadge

[gusty mirage]

Hi

[limber lion]

Hallo

[gusty mirage]

I think I’ve gotten over my dislike for the 4pc

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

I’m ready to come home

[limber lion]

Love to see it

hear it?

love it

regardless

[woven prairie]

Is the ring actually gonna be good?

[gusty mirage]

Ye the signet is good

[woven prairie]

sims lower than my 262 crit vers ring

[balmy condor]

at 272?

you're trolling

[gusty mirage]

Is it the crafted ring you’re simming against?

[woven prairie]

no but I was in the wrong spec discussion 😄

[gusty mirage]

Oh

[limber lion]

@gusty mirage We just killed Lords and I'm in for Rygelon/Jailer

I get to play the game again

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

blasted Lords

still 9k dps behind the buffed up Destro Lock

[gusty mirage]

I heard y’all are steam rolling rn

[glass tulip]

@spice spire got it now, there was a combo condition throwing me off

[spice spire]

[glass tulip]

so I just split it in two and I got it all

[spice spire]

Good shit

[glass tulip]

thank you for wise guidance

[spice spire]

Don’t thank me

Thank cev

I just screenshot stuff for future use

(And I used it for my own)

[gusty mirage]

How do I get Gino?

[spice spire]

Idk man

[glass tulip]

what is CT pandemic, I accidentally deleted it before looking

[limber lion]

1.8, but 2 is fine

[balmy condor]

30%

[spice spire]

She’s canadian or some shit

[balmy condor]

[glass tulip]

[drifting cloud]

wtf @limber lion @faint harness stop smurfing

[spice spire]

That’s what I’m saying man

Colour gonna get accidental world rank

[carmine dawn]

Did anyone check into what James was saying

[drifting cloud]

w50 incoming?

[spice spire]

Link?

[gusty mirage]

Regarding using fae guardians w/ leggo to giga reduce vendetta cd?

[carmine dawn]

Not sure what the jist was tbh I don’t know anything about what NF does

[gusty mirage]

I think the fae guardians cdr is juiced by the fae leggo for priest

But fwiw, all the rogue-priests used it in the AWC

[carmine dawn]

[gusty mirage]

And rogues were getting like 25s vendettas

[bleak sky]

bruh colour at a modest WR 59

[spice spire]

Heroes

[carmine dawn]

So not a new tech per say

But no one’s been playing assa in raid so it flew under the radar?

[fading wigeon]

So the pandemic is cut in half? We refresh at 1.5 on all bleeds?

[gusty mirage]

It really comes down to how well you can maximize the vendetta window

And ngl I didn’t run any sims or look into it in any way so I couldn’t begin to even speak on it

[carmine dawn]

I think that’s why he wanted the string?

[gusty mirage]

Ye

Koji and whispyr prolly have looked at it

Cause they look at everything

Cev too

Mebbe

I’m essentially just a human version of Moroes

[carmine dawn]

@sand sigil did you finish any sims on that

[limber lion]

I mean, Assa as a spec just flew under the radar because all the big boys play Sub and no one talks about Assassination whatsoever.

No clue if the Night Fae thing does anything

But Assa as a spec is already a strong contender on a bunch of bosses.

[carmine dawn]

Well yeah i was just being facetious

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

That's too fancy of a word for me, oogabooga me monke

But yeh, I think the apl for BE and for BE lege are a bit whack and would require some custom tailored apl

[gusty mirage]

Ye it could very well be a wild goose chase

[indigo cradle]

is cache good for assas? if so what wep should i get?

[limber lion]

It's aight, it's good for mainly padding purposes.

Doesn't really matter what you use on ST, Axe is fine everywhere

[indigo cradle]

aight ty!

[subtle tundra]

ez finger in 4th run

[limber lion]

bruh

if I wasn't a cf

you'd be hearing it

just kidding

Come trade me one

[drifting cloud]

trade me, cev sims too high

[gusty mirage]

Trade me I’ll touch your feet

[subtle tundra]

now i farm on alts??

is it good on brm/fire/fury?

[carmine dawn]

it just means sarcastic, my bad

[bleak sky]

the autoattack does wonders for fire

[gusty mirage]

Ring is good for furry

Fwiw

[timid cloud]

I think it also is decent for Ret.

[limber lion]

yes very good haha

actually the neck from court is really, really good you should try farming that

and trade me the ring :))

[limber lion]

Hey >:(

I'm about to hit 16k with the ring

I need it

[gusty mirage]

I’d trade you the ring if I could

[limber lion]

it's okay papi

6 more days, surely

[vague charm]

ok IM having trouble wrapping my brain around mfd. Can I get some advice?

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

1. Press Flag
2. Press MFD at 0 CP
3. Press MFD once between Flag casts
4. Hold MFD for the next Flag.

[delicate smelt]

is it rly posible to keep uptime on all bleeds? CT/Garr/Rupt

[limber lion]

So you Flag, then hit a finisher, then MFD, finisher

[limber lion]

You can let CT drop a bit, it's not the end of the world.

Gar/Rup should always be 100%

[vague charm]

shoudl I be ct on single target too?

[delicate smelt]

that 4set playstyle is too fast for me 😄 rly big difference

[bleak sky]

yes, check the pins

[vague charm]

sorry I did maybe I missed. Thanks guys

[primal sigil]

with the whole vynth 4p MFD CT build do we only use CT when MFD is up ?

[limber lion]

With 4p and as Venthyr, yes

[limber lion]

[primal sigil]

haha

[limber lion]

how does that make sense?

They do not affect each other in any way really.

You just maintain CT at all times

[primal sigil]

roger

[limber lion]

You just play MFD as Venthyr because it means you get more stacks during Flag windows

which means more haste/vers and more cdr from Obedience

We use CT because 2p and 4p buff it.

[primal sigil]

i see, cool thanks

[limber lion]

Gl

[vague charm]

is it me or has sin been totally weird since tier

[limber lion]

Nope

Feels fantastic to me.

[delicate smelt]

after first two boss i just cant play with 4set comfortably. It needs more practice

[limber lion]

Yeh, it comes with practice. A lot of practice.

[delicate smelt]

from sleeper style to fast paced bleeds 😄

[ebon notch]

i got a bunch of upgrades today

but it feels like i do less damage

if my feelycrafting is correct more gear = bad

[limber lion]

you simming more than me now?

[ebon notch]

not yet

will soon

[limber lion]

we didn't reclear this week

so you got that going for ya

probs won't be reclearing next week either

[ebon notch]

we recleared this week

but the only people who get sigil in this guild are germans

also im benched on anduin so im not prio for loot anymore

[delicate smelt]

playing without Vigor is pain..

[pure moth]

Why are you benched for anduin?

[bleak sky]

it shouldn't make a difference

[delicate smelt]

i was used to it. It feels slow to me to build whole opener

[limber lion]

This is the saddest sight

[drifting cloud]

why not, rogue is like a bottom3 class for anduin

[vague charm]

what uptime for st ct should I be shooting for

[drifting cloud]

assa is borderline useless on anduin

[kindred heron]

Slamming flag and not waiting to see if you get a mechanic? Smh

[limber lion]

Yeah, even Sub should be benched if you have better alternatives

both specs are pretty trash

[stray mural]

I mean you do priority damage on the big shadow so who cares

[fleet anchor]

Yeah at least for our guild we likely won't reclear after Halondrus either. Probably full on extendo mode.

I got or swapped in like 5 upgrades this week and I still think you out-sim me though 🤣

[drifting cloud]

im 15.2 and cevs 2 week old sims are 15.5

and I have mythic sigil

[fleet anchor]

I'm relying on the charity of others. I haven't looted a usable item for myself in raid in like 3 weeks lol

[limber lion]

Yeh, the next 2 bosses that are dying on mythic for us are Rygelon and Jailer

won't be seeing the earlier bosses for a while xd

[fleet anchor]

Last night I got my 3rd Skolex cloak

Also our loot for that boss was 4 Skolex cloaks

It was rad

[vestal wren]

cloak for catalyst 😮

[plush isle]

gonna be expensive to upgrade

[limber lion]

Wouldn't recommend upgrading it

Until you have the AA ring at 272

[hoary kernel]

When you guys do the venthyr opener with 4 set. How many flag stacks do you guys normally get? I've only been getting 24 with MFD.

[limber lion]

Yeaah, I haven't had many upgrades the last 2 weeks honestly, and probs won't because of perma-extendo

[plush isle]

yeah just wanted it for the future, better have it then need it 😉

[slow marsh]

69

[limber lion]

Yeh

[plush isle]

now tirathon

[hoary kernel]

[limber lion]

29-30 everytime.

[hoary kernel]

damn... Probably doing something wrong then. Back to the dummy

[fleet anchor]

Got traded the shoulders from Sausage and Catalyst'd them into 5pc so I could use my socketed helm from Pantheon

Which could have realistically gone either way

Could have converted the helm too. Both were essentially the same stats either way

Next week I'll be using Catalyst on M+ cache legs to upgrade my Heroic tier legs to Mythic probably

[vestal wren]

will you switch to a tier set slot for untiy?

[fleet anchor]

Probably not because honestly belt has been my worst drop luck slot anyway

[vestal wren]

i got a crit/vers 278 2nd week

[fleet anchor]

I have socketed M+ bracers already

[vestal wren]

so probably not gona go unity belt

i have no tier chest at all

else would consider going hands for legendary probably

[fleet anchor]

My tier chest is normal ilevel.. worst piece by far but haven't gotten anything to replace it. If I had gotten the drop from Mythic Vigilant Guardian I would have Catalyst'd that instead

[vestal wren]

catalyst rly makes the m+ valult slots quite relevant

[fleet anchor]

But yeah I'm up to 15.3k now

[subtle tundra]

our survival cant make it so i have to come in and fill the spot

KEKW

[oak sky]

I have only heroic tier pieces

[subtle tundra]

how tf do i do survival aoe on rogue

[vestal wren]

i heroic, 1 from catalyst, 2 normal

[fleet anchor]

Clone yourself

[oak sky]

Black powder

Then blacl powder

Then black powder

Then some white powder

[vestal wren]

cache is probably the closest we can get to a aoe cooldown

[oak sky]

Then black powder twice as fast

[limber lion]

I only have mythic ones :(

[oak sky]

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

Lucky guy

[limber lion]

jk

my chest is 278

so technically not mythic

[oak sky]

I have what 2 mythic pieces total

Cloak and sigil

[fleet anchor]

Oof

[oak sky]

And i still have kt neck

[vestal wren]

at least sub is decent on boss damage

[fleet anchor]

You know, I was just about to make the joke

"At least Rogue beats Warlock on boss damage, oh wait"

🤣

[vestal wren]

i know you wanted to ^^

[indigo mulch]

Man, i've been sitting for an hour trying to get in to CoS keys 😦

[fleet anchor]

wtb queue application system

[hollow river]

Can we storm the forums to get rogue buffed?

[spice spire]

Destro buff well deserved

[fleet anchor]

I was trying to get into a last minute key the other night on Monday

[spice spire]

Excellent decision

[fleet anchor]

I applied to roughly 60 groups

Before I got invited

[indigo mulch]

"only" a flat 5% aura buff.

kekew

[undone oyster]

Should I be aiming for any specific haste %

[fleet anchor]

Then proceeded to stomp all over the DPS of everyone in the group. Feels good. lol

[undone oyster]

Energy regen feels slow on ST

😔

[hollow river]

Nope

[indigo mulch]

I've applid to atleast 50 groups now. I guess its because i'm sub 3k rio or something 😦

[fleet anchor]

Basically worthless

[indigo mulch]

[fleet anchor]

Who would be below 3k

[spice spire]

Gotta keep refreshing and apply fast

To +2s

[fleet anchor]

I totally didn't just stop at 2k for upgrade cap because I cba... 👀

[spice spire]

But the mount

Actually doesn’t look bad

[fleet anchor]

The season is long and full of boredom

[spice spire]

[fleet anchor]

I'll get it eventually lol

[dark arrow]

with 4 piece and double leggo how is Sin doing in M+ these days? been running Sub (despite not really enjoying the spec) so I can actually get invited to M+.

[spice spire]

Not as good as sub, but it’s fine

Your prio is nice, but sub is just better this season

[indigo mulch]

To be fair, its just so much easier playing sub in M+ than it is sin.

[fleet anchor]

This tier I actually got Phial really fast so it's totally killed my motivation to do much else lol

[delicate smelt]

Sigil any good for assa?

[dark arrow]

watching a guildie run Sin in a 16 NW right now and it seems to be doing really perfectly acceptable dps.

[hollow river]

My motivation has just been bad all around

[spice spire]

Yes

[hollow river]

Haven’t had a decent vault since week 1

[bleak sky]

the range on warlocks

what the fuck

[spice spire]

Acceptable isn’t always what@people want

They want back packed

And I think my max is like

18k overall and that’s not backpacking like a lock can

[hollow river]

What is backpacking

[spice spire]

Carrying on your back

[hollow river]

Oh

[spice spire]

I’m also tho

[dark arrow]

large pulls hes been doing 13-15k, smaller pulls 8k, boss was about 12-14k

[spice spire]

Eh that seems a bit low, but it could also be gear diff

[dark arrow]

hes also running Kyrian cuz idk why. he likes to play things thats off meta.

[spice spire]

There are some nasty sin players through here.

And yeah that’ll do it, Necrolord makes it even better

[fleet anchor]

Yeah, Warlocks like to say "It's just PI" to explain that their average is so high. Even though that's ridiculously misleading.

This is more accurate

😛

[spice spire]

Guy really can get some mileage out of this

[subtle tundra]

where tf do i put
shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste
to sim it

it say error

[spice spire]

Should be in the box below all the sim@options

Ty mister ryler, too fast for me

[subtle tundra]

oh trick

thanks

[drifting cloud]

your effort from mobile is appreciated quake

I got the upper hand here

[subtle tundra]

when people flex sims, they all show with theotar haste?

gonna check cev

[drifting cloud]

I still had it set to crit because of sanctum

[winter gale]

Main target for Legion TW is that auto attack ring?

[limber lion]

Correct.

[subtle tundra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5Uvj3XkKbaxKrkKPZ871Ch

hmm

[winter gale]

I saw some videos about assa getting up there with sub in terms of dmg for raid. Im playing assa non stop so would just like to hear that from some1 here 😂

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

sure

[versed mica]

I use sin in raid, it does well

It doesn't do sub well, but it does well

Some fights favorite one or the other based on mechanics

[subtle tundra]

lmao we dropped faulty and the 2 warriors rolled for it

and one of them is piss drunk

and its a shitshow

and he lost the roll

[limber lion]

wtfffffffffffffffffffff

oh yeah

you have the ring

nevermind

hacker

[subtle tundra]

and tomorrow is anduin sub prison

nooooooooooo

[timid cloud]

@balmy condor GL my brudda

[balmy condor]

hm?

[timid cloud]

Saw you just walk into COS

I tried to wave.

[balmy condor]

oh

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

yeah this is like the 12th run

me and oxi spamming

[timid cloud]

I'm on run x5...

Idk if I wanna do anything below a 14.

Cause valor

[brazen zodiac]

thats what im feelin

[hollow river]

This is my chance to get into all the PFs and DoS now that everyone’s distracted

[timid cloud]

I am not going to be a cubert doobert gamer.

I simply am not strong enough to get my cube eaten on another character.

[lyric crater]

if im playing night fae wtith x 2 lego and 4set what talent are good for it

[balmy condor]

faq says

[lyric crater]

ok ill take a look ty

[brazen zodiac]

faq says clap your hands

[balmy condor]

not simon says

[brazen zodiac]

faq says read the faq before asking question cuz odds are itll be there

u didnt clap ur hands btw u lose !

dced for cos anyone just now?

[kindred heron]

not just cos

[brazen zodiac]

wow seemed to have gotten pwned

[trim cairn]

Ye I'm ddosing servers until I get the ring

[brazen zodiac]

if i cant have it nobody can!

[boreal whale]

https://tenor.com/view/amen-anchorman-will-ferrell-gif-10865461

[brazen zodiac]

ohsnapp

[glass tulip]

was in a sale, my money

[viscid spear]

DDOSing server, get fucked guys

[brazen zodiac]

was isn a cos

my cos

[viscid spear]

CoS has had some shit luck this week thus far, lol

[still creek]

i wanna return to my rogue alt for a bit and i dont really like sub for some reason, is sin at a so bad place as people say? both m+ and raid?

[tough skiff]

blizz saw everyone rerolling sin and had to hotfix and restart game

[brazen zodiac]

i mena i wouldnt say bad place

[violet jackal]

damn finally in a group that can kill rygelon and got Disconnected T_T

[brazen zodiac]

is it like the absolute best and end all be all, no

but like its playable

ive found it pretty chill in 20s so far and in raid

[viscid spear]

Was about to start a PF+15 with guildies

[timid cloud]

I just finished a COS.

As I got DC’d

[trim cairn]

Assa is the most fun just need 2 fixes for it to beat sub

FoK cp generation like SS and 4pc not reducing duration of bleeds

[primal sigil]

i thought the reduced duration is for faster bleed dmg, isnt that good ?

[bleak sky]

damn where's varas when we need him

[brazen zodiac]

last i saw him he was somewhere in cos

i think he fell off the boat and drowned

no nvm he jumped

hi minal

[trim cairn]

To say that this makes the spec identical to sub?

lmao

[normal mist]

question about alts in ZM - Do alts need to complete the whole story to gain acess to the new feature of creating tier set?

[brazen zodiac]

@zinc frost

[stark pier]

hey..should i ,with 4 set venthyr and 2 legys (dusk+venthyr) , allways keep the crimson tempest dot up for single?

[brazen zodiac]

i almost told them to replace me for u

cuz i cant in good faith take this spot from u

but alas, i was 2 slow

[bleak sky]

no

[normal mist]

Thanks, didnt get the quest on the alt so i thought "well fuck"

[bleak sky]

you get the quest on alts as well

talk to bolvar -> talk to the other guy -> get quest

[primal sigil]

what would be the best stats to get on my 291 unity if i hop between specs, crit/vers ?

[vast plover]

Would it be worth keeping Theotar soulbind with Agility Tea? Or only Haste Tea, Nadja only if no Haste Tea?

[balmy condor]

Theo is always better

[vast plover]

Ohh even with any tea?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[vast plover]

Thank you so much!! @balmy condor

[mortal pike]

since when

I'd sim but can't log in

[mortal pike]

what tea does the sim profile default to on theotar?

[balmy condor]

Average of all

[mortal pike]

and does the sim also assume you're getting full uptime on every soothing shade?

[balmy condor]

Yep, just like it assumes full uptime on every fatal flaw

[mortal pike]

Just feel like that skews it a bit then yea? Can't imagine you're really getting full value on soothing shade

[drifting cloud]

nadja rng is equally as bad as theotars

[clear finch]

The sheer amount of rogues I've run CoS with is fun.

Post a CoS and get endless rogue/DH queues

Post a VoW and get everyone and their mom queues.

[trim cairn]

You get a couple of people that know rogues/dhs want the loot more than badly enough to not leave tho so you queue up and they afk at entrance until loot is fully cooked

[candid badger]

what stat should i aim for with IQD, haste or crit? i’m close enough with both that i can gem either way to get one or the other. I initially defaulted to haste but i’m thinking it might be crit?

[marsh fjord]

anyone having any tips for me for the mage tower, im at pull 100 but it's just so overwhelming man

[brazen zodiac]

my tip is hearth out

gl im sure u got this gamer that shit seemed p hard

[bleak sky]

Just feel like that skews it a bit then yea? Can't imagine you're really getting full value on every fatal flaw

[oak sky]

Low movement-theotar- high uptime-nadjia

Gg

[brazen zodiac]

ur so funny

[amber fossil]

chains of domination is simming highest for me in M+. Is this accurate? It seems like by the 20 sec timer on the chain the adds will already be dead

[loud light]

keep bleeds up on everything to keep up with the dps and hps (leeching), have a plan for when you're going to use each evasion and ks on jarl, have a macro for blinding sigryn, use a WA or bossmods to track when they're doing their next abilities if you're getting caught off guard

[loud light]

for this

[fading mason]

there are no cos groups left on eu

[brazen zodiac]

im sure they'll come

[ionic kiln]

Ravaged Seed Pod was a great trinket for healing/damage. https://www.wowhead.com/item=139320/ravaged-seed-pod?bonus=1807:1472
There's a timewalking discord you can find that has a lot of information about what's the best gear you can use in there. (Mostly items with lots of sockets)

[marsh fjord]

Yeah, but farming those will prob take a long time 😄

and people are doing it with just Sl gear

[ionic kiln]

the mage tower isn't going away, it's up full time now. You have time to get a better set.

[mortal pike]

Easier to get value on flaw 👀

[marsh fjord]

yeah i know, but still 😄

[ionic kiln]

Use this macro so that you will always blind Sigryn:

#showtooltip
/cast [@boss1] Blind```

Use this macro so that you will always kidney Jarl:

#showtooltip
/cast [@boss3] Kidney Shot```

[timid cloud]

https://i.gyazo.com/b9f643d295d46e3a3ac3a97dbe1ed812.png

FREEDOM

[brazen zodiac]

?

yo

.

i mean CONGRATS!!!! POG!!!!!

[marsh fjord]

yeah i got it already

[trim cairn]

jelly

gz man

[timid cloud]

I will help out my men who need me.

[viscid spear]

Did they fix CoS yet?

[timid cloud]

From the DC bugs that brick them?

[oak sky]

I think its been fixed right? I never had the bug

[viscid spear]

Sure, let's say that

[timid cloud]

They fixed it like an hour or so after, or less.

[oak sky]

🧱

[timid cloud]

Yeah, I had it happen to my guildies like 30m beforehand, but I did one right after they did.

Had no issue.

[trim cairn]

dodge axes

[cosmic prism]

is raidbots apl updated for the new snapshot rotation?

[hollow escarp]

yes

[strange python]

hey i was thinking about playing rogue and was wondering if Assassination is any good right now in heroic and mythic+ content?

I don't plan on doing mythic raiding.

[meager basalt]

hey guys - what io does my alt need to be to show my mains prog?

[strange python]

I personally wouldn’t recommend assassination for mythic plus but some may say otherwise, depending on what difficulty of keys you’re doing

It’s fine for raiding in general

what do you reccomend for mythic+ ?

[oak sky]

I think you just need to do a couple keys cant remember for sure tho

[drifting cloud]

500 or 750? something like that

[strange python]

I'm kinda surprised that sin is so low on the Lords of dread logs after the change

[echo geyser]

benched on lords cause other classes do a lot more

[strange python]

Same

Benched for anduin and lords

[echo geyser]

[strange python]

Sub rogue

[oak sky]

i would never be benched on lords

[echo geyser]

at least i can still rng 285 shoulders without kill

but cant get cloak or hands

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

I'm still trying to up my situational awareness on Lords

[hollow river]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

WE ARE ON THE CRAB

[viscid spear]

Use a condom

[spice spire]

Dodge green

[amber fossil]

any thoughts on chains of domination trink? It sims highest in dslice, but it seems mobs would already be dead by the time the 20 sec chain breaks

[viscid spear]

I'm a Yellow Lantern dawg, green scares me

[spark scaffold]

Is the fok talent still trash after buff?

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

It's in the pins.

It's legit 30% of 0 is still 0.

[wide ridge]

got a 99 on H halond

[hollow escarp]

yo, the cloak is not that bad

[fading vessel]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Haste > Vers > Mastery
Note: Having a frost set equipped makes crit much better, usually making it your best stat by a good margin.

[wide ridge]

wait their stats change too?

[sour nest]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[wide ridge]

i thought only original tier pieces did

[ashen totem]

you get the stats of the soulblade pieces

[hollow escarp]

they do

my original cloak is haste mastery

new cloak is crit haste

but I'm not sure what to do yet, don't have anything better to convert tbf

[wide ridge]

where do I see what stats other pieces have like wrist/boots/belt etc?

cant seem to find it

[hollow escarp]

I think wowhead had a post with it

also I don't think it's worth using catalyst on that cloak

[hollow escarp]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-does-the-creation-catalyst-work-everything-you-need-to-know-326648

at the bottom, click rogue and check all items

[wide ridge]

thx homie

[frail smelt]

what is the full form of MFD?

[oak sky]

uhhh marked for death

[whole mason]

may i ask how much incrased for aa?

[ebon notch]

Uuuhhhh

[oak sky]

can i get uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[oak sky]

the timings are so bad holding for the first schematic

i think it forces me to cd another one

its either that or lose half of it on defense matrix

[ebon notch]

Cev told you this yesterday

Just send on pull

Grow balls

[oak sky]

i cant you actual dumbass

we cant kill the schematics

without my damage

[ebon notch]

Save shiv

[oak sky]

ive said it over and over

[ebon notch]

Ez

[oak sky]

i have to wait until farm

does defense matrix shield only activate when it dies or is it up the entire time

yeah its both

mmmmm

[hollow river]

they should be able to kill it without your CDs tbh

[hollow escarp]

@oak sky tbf it's only that and the shield boy and all other cds are on boss

we had the same issue

[oak sky]

yeah

[hollow river]

me and a hunter popped CDs on pull out of habit today and the add still died fine

[hollow escarp]

I was top on first schematic

[oak sky]

its just feelycraft bad

[hollow escarp]

400k ish damage

[hollow river]

but we went back to holding after

[oak sky]

sorry are you in my guild now?

mustve forgotten

we also have no warrior rn

[hollow river]

i mean it's just obvious

[oak sky]

"i mean its just obvious"

what

that

every guild has different push timings

because of skill and comp

yeah

[hollow river]

with tier, gear, and leggos

[oak sky]

i did think that was obvious

[hollow river]

should be ez

[hollow escarp]

"should"

[oak sky]

unfortunately

skill

and comp

exist

[hollow river]

well

bench

[hollow escarp]

or fortunately

[hollow river]

and recruit

idk

[hollow escarp]

or just adapt

[hollow river]

yer

[hollow escarp]

because you can't really skip a raid night

hurts to waste cooldowns

[hollow river]

well

complaining doesn't fix it

[hollow escarp]

but I'm sure so does other classes

[brazen zodiac]

hey i have a cos key if anyone wants in, its a 10

[hollow escarp]

list it and you'll get like 30 applicants with 3k+ io

and 5 whispers that they can trade ring

[brazen zodiac]

yeah but i wanted to invite ma rouge buddies :D

[zinc frost]

If I didn’t have to go work I’d be down. Had so much CoS disappointment today

[brazen zodiac]

rogues before hoes

cmmon now

np ruptured!

yeah i got really bummed out when the server went down so i went and made chinese food, now i feel better

[drifting cloud]

do people farm cos for other stuff than the ring?

is there some caster loot in there or

[hollow river]

where does prism come from

[hollow escarp]

vault

[hollow river]

mmm

vault has hella trinkets

even enhancement farms caster trinket lmao

kinda hilarious

[oak sky]

oh right i forgot im actually the gm and i decide to bench and recruit

or wait

[hollow river]

int trinkets doing big dam

[oak sky]

im the one that decides that we should do the boss consistently with everyone cding the add!

because prog comes from consistency

not our rogue getting a 99!

[hollow river]

i never said you were

you're the one complaining

[hollow escarp]

I got rank 7 out of 7 on lihuvim

[hollow river]

now you're being all high and mighty

[oak sky]

i can complain all i want

but i still do my job

[hollow escarp]

the only rogue that had vendetta on schematic was Seli

and ofc I lost to him

[hollow river]

just kill boss be happy

[ebon notch]

Ur wrong and I hate you

:(

[oak sky]

ive become too ethical (im washed)

[ebon notch]

Hahaha it happens (kill me)

[timid cloud]

Sorry, just saw this. It’s 52 at 272

[oak sky]

i think im getting padded all star points because i actually killed pantheon

[steel elbow]

Is the community just trolling at this point? Can't even get into a CoS +2. Like, does everyone just hate rogues and don't want us to have ring?

[oak sky]

everybody wants traders

[bleak sky]

are you 4k io?

[timid cloud]

There’s a caster trinket too. It’s kinda cool.

[bleak sky]

legit every single rogue/dh/fury warrior spamming those keysy

if you're not an obvious massive standout you're likely not getting invited

[ebon notch]

Fury warr barely gets an increase even

[bleak sky]

oh

rogues and dh then

[steel elbow]

Enhance shamans I think are after it as well. At least the one in my guild is, but who knows

[ebon notch]

Didn't sim well for me personally

Gonna sim it again when I get slightly more geared

[hollow escarp]

There's like 20-30 applicants on most CoS and VoTW keys. Only 4 spots though.

[oak sky]

people dont want anyone yoinking theirs

[strange python]

Anyone have a link to the Assissination build Infexious just made

[drifting cloud]

maybe you should ask him

[oak sky]

i have no idea what this guys talking about bro

[ebon notch]

What you talking about agroaner

[timid cloud]

The YouTube rogue guy?

[oak sky]

thats who hes talking about

but idk about any build infexious made

[strange python]

all good he said it ws a new sin build that was figured out by Ravenholdt all Credit to them

[oak sky]

oh ok you just mean the venth build then

details are in the pins

[strange python]

awsome ty Agreon

[drifting cloud]

cev ruined our tier, we could have played 20 apm nf

[oak sky]

cev fixed our tier, we can compete

[timid cloud]

Not getting gaslit into NF

[drifting cloud]

dont sucumb to venthyr propaganda agreon

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

bro im a venth day 1 since day 1

they call me vamp-friend

[timid cloud]

A gentleman of taste.

I’ve returned to my roots, Sub is canceled in raid. Sin only gaming.

[brazen zodiac]

as you should

[timid cloud]

[vague charm]

so, shoudl I only CT when i amabout to cast shiv/mfd? Or keep it up as much as possible?

I feel like I have to envenom as priority when ct falls off

[hollow river]

keep it up

during vendetta yes you let it fall off if you have to

envenom to keep up Slice n Dice always

[slow marsh]

Penis

[zinc frost]

Agreed

[carmine dawn]

is there new pandemic timers

cev redid afenars right

[glass tulip]

Yeah check his message history, he sent it in chat earlier this evening

I lied, I have it right here

https://wago.io/rk2kEs76d

[carmine dawn]

ty

[misty holly]

I thought it was bad being Alliance here because I can refresh group for 10 minutes and sometimes not see a single CoS key even listed.

But then again, I do get invited to probably 25% of the ones I apply to.

And my profile isn't particularly stand out.

So horde must have a lot more competition.

and no one has asked me to trade ring or anything as a condition

[timid cloud]

Each time I’ve been in the queue for a cos there’s about 5-7 rogues all around 3k io in queue or more

[misty holly]

I also get to take advantage of SEA groups listing at night, which is an alliance heavy region. A consolation prize for my insomnia I guess.

It's so dumb this dungeon has 12 loot drops

why couldnt it be more like shadowlands dungeons with you know 6

[timid cloud]

Tough to say, I like more variety in stats.

But yeah, 1 piece out of 12 is quite...not very good...

[oak sky]

at least everyone can loot it

[brazen zodiac]

thats kinda cope

but yeah true

HOLY SHIT I GOT IT

[misty holly]

grats!

Im at 21 runs so far

sigh

[brazen zodiac]

ill come do any cos and trade ring whenever

all us roguies gettin dis mofo ring tonight

[solid venture]

I'll name my firstborn child after whoever trades me the ring

Jk imagine getting kids in this time and age

[brazen zodiac]

my social studies teacher's daughter named her first kid after me

cuz i liked history a lot so id just vibe after class with the teach and talk about it lul

kinda weird but oh well guess im honored?

[solid venture]

[bleak sky]

yeah i'll name my child badbttch-area52

[brazen zodiac]

,,

[oak sky]

🧢

[misty holly]

I'm glad Elon Musk doesn't play wow.

or someone would already be named similar

[brazen zodiac]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2iWJNdSpavMnAk3yaGrp4j does faulty counter simmin so much above first sigil sound about right?

i wouldnt expect it to tbh

[oak sky]

a heroic one

sure

272 fcm is higher ilvl and a similarly good trinket

[brazen zodiac]

hmm ye gotcha thx brother

[oak sky]

mythic sigil should be better tho

a good amount better

[brazen zodiac]

ill sim it 1 sec

[gusty mirage]

you're a good amount better

🙂

[oak sky]

oxi never change or my heart will break 💔

[brazen zodiac]

ur both the best anyone could ask for

:D

oh yeah ur giga right agreon

shits like 120+

[sturdy hawk]

Hi, do anyone know how to sim different buff(axe/sword/wand) of cache in raidbots?

[vestal wren]

you need to modify the apl for that

just change the trinket line from "axe" to whatever weapon you want

[sturdy hawk]

Thanks

For venthyr assassination, is it too bad to use sword instead of axe in single target?

or they are very close

[jade minnow]

Its so close, u dont want to use wand tho

[sturdy hawk]

thank you

[solid venture]

Dead channel, dead spec

[verbal flower]

lol

[timid cloud]

[steel ridge]

ok so this is a bit of a hot take here: what if (with master assassin talented) you dont immediately envenom after vanish (during vendetta with every dot running) but sit in stealth for 2-3 seconds and let the +50% crit rate hammer and only come back into the fight when your bleeds are about to drop off?

just a thought that came to mind yesterday while fiddling around with sepsis

could we actually sim that?

[solid venture]

Better off asking that in tc research, this shit will get buried real fast if none of the green or orange bois read it

[steel ridge]

true

[iron orchid]

can be worth a test, but this will probably not be a thing because of how much energy you'll be overcapping and stuff (casts you don't make should not compensate the dmg you gain with +50% crit)

note that overcapping energy is really not what you want to do when running dusk too

if it's only for a short time like sitting in stealth until x% energy is attained, maybe, but under lust + 4p vend energy will be flowing like crazy

[steel ridge]

yeah ofc you will be overcapping, but lets face it, what else are gonna do in the meantime?

mutilate hits like a wet noodle

but 4 dots ticking at hammer pace

just a thought, might be worth looking into

[iron orchid]

but they generate cp, which you'll have to use to reapply bleeds fast, and also consume energy to reset your vendetta

I agree with you tho and think it deserves testing

[misty holly]

that would be peak class fantasy.

Poison target, go into hiding and watch them die.

[timid cloud]

We overcap energy no matter what in our vendetta.

[steel ridge]

tried it on a player target yesterday and he just exploded as soon as i vanished xD

[vestal wren]

waiting in stealth is potentially harmful

you lose globals during vendetta and auto attacks

[steel ridge]

aware

thats why its a hot take

[vestal wren]

unsure if you can do it easy in a sim

you can stop auto attacks

[misty holly]

You could just hit up a target dummy and see if the damage is competitive.

[vestal wren]

so possible

[steel ridge]

why would we need sims! you just solved the math!

its a minor optimization IF any

doubt you will notice on a dummy

or get results anywhere near comparable

[timid cloud]

I don’t think it would be worth it, wouldn’t garrote / CT fall off instantly basically & you’d only have rupture critting with deadly?

[steel ridge]

nightfae

for venthyr its not an option because of flag

[misty holly]

necrolord 🤩

[steel ridge]

or maybe necrolord aswell

[misty holly]

those bonespike crits

[timid cloud]

[steel ridge]

the big crits come from sepsis tho

[fallow otter]

I don't see it winning, it's not like envenom is a complete wet noodle and you'll essentially be slowing down when vend is up next, EP can drop, no melees, no instant poison, burning/capping energy while inside TB window. Still interested in results though

[steel ridge]

i am kinda confused why the sim did use sepsis before rupture and shiv tho

[fallow otter]

I played around with it with full expedient exsang

[steel ridge]

wouldnt you use sepsis after shiv?

since vendetta cuts it in half and you lose the big ticks up front if you sepsis before even in vendetta

or is it because of the haste flowr field snapshot

[iron orchid]

I don't play night fae but i guess you'd want to press sepsis right before vendetta to get haste from field and shiv along vend to get most out of the 2p

which would make it so that you may lose the first empowered few hits of sepsis ?

[spice spire]

It oddly prioritizes getting sepsis on CD first. I know Koji, Cev, and whispyr are looking at optimizing it currently

[glass tulip]

Quaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake

[spice spire]

Yes sir?

[glass tulip]

u and george be looking mad cute this morning

[spice spire]

You be looking cute every morning papi

Don’t make me act up this early I s2g

[steel ridge]

yeah seemed kinda off to me, good to know that my hunch wasnt totally bullshit 😄

[spice spire]

It could be ideal to get it on CD ASAP, I haven’t looked at NF altogether, but I know there’s some expected change in that APL

[sharp forge]

The diff betweem sin and sub aint that much anymore right?

[glass tulip]

yep, its pretty close

[molten galleon]

Duskwalker or Doomblade on 2 Target

[glass tulip]

pretty sure with a set bonus it is always dusk

[spice spire]

4p will always be dusk. Otherwise, Zoldyck’s also fine (assuming you’re asking for like lords)

[molten galleon]

thanks

[placid cobalt]

hi guys, would u recommend farming vault trinkets as assa rogue if i already got the xymox bag on mythic IL, or better go phial?

[limber lion]

I would recommend you to sim it.

[clear finch]

it does exist xD.... now i just need valor cap to not exist.

[zinc frost]

Gz

[glossy tulip]

I see what you are trying to say but there is so much energy regen that you will most likely sit capped for that entire duration which is missed dps

[glossy tulip]

Every bit of energy helps reduce the CD of vendetta. The few seconds you will spend idle is a few more seconds for your CD

[iron orchid]

this was answered by Ceverion in #tc-research if you want to check his exact reasoning, but yeah, I agree

melee is also to take into account

[glossy tulip]

I no shit did it about 20 times TODAY on 2s and I invited only rogues 😍 we need to support eachother

No ring though

[clear finch]

Facts bro. This group I got the ring with ran it about 6 times together before we finally ran out of re-rolls. I got mine on run 5. No others dropped 😭

[trim cairn]

I mean this seems like the only viable option given that 0 CoS keys are on LFG on EU ever 😛

[jade abyss]

M+ dusk or zoldyck? Dont play so high that the group needs high priority dmg

[spice spire]

Either is fine. Dusk only after 4p

[jade abyss]

Ty :)

[glossy tulip]

I personally think it depends on the week and party but I'm also not a top notch player. I do however run with dusk because it helps me wreck a specific add that will be a pain in the dick and more on bosses

[spice spire]

Same here but either is fine for some lower sub 20. I’d advise that prio damage can be important especially on bolstering weeks, but again if you’re just aiming for weekly 15s you can run whatever and be fine

[glossy tulip]

I feel zoldyck can be better for overall dealing with trash if you know your group isn't the best but dusk can help smooth out more challenging pulls since you can line up all your major CDs pretty darn often

Just require planning

[normal mist]

You know it

I know it

asmons voice everybody knows it

Actually lower overall but just deleting that ONE mob that brings pain to the pull is amazing

[jade abyss]

I have since yesterday 4p complete so i try dusk out and practise the playstyle now

[spice spire]

[glossy tulip]

Refresh the fuck out of your bleeds. It will be a little awkward at 1st

[normal mist]

Good luck gamer

[spice spire]

I adjusted my WA to yell at me for the lowered pandemic

[normal mist]

Once you understand the burst phases every min, you'll blast the metters

[glossy tulip]

I neeeeeeed it

[spice spire]

@glossy tulip what WA set do you use?

[iron orchid]

i want a wa that plays a different music based on the dots that are on your target

and it gets faster in pandemic

[spice spire]

If it’s afenar Cev uploaded his version that will just glow

[spice spire]

Too much work, best I can do is quintuple air horn

[jade abyss]

Metal pls

[glossy tulip]

Honestly I am not the most knowledgeable when it comes to WA and I use a basic Afenar

[spice spire]

https://wago.io/rk2kEs76d

[normal mist]

Meanwhile your boy here using TMW

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

[spice spire]

This helps - it’s essentially a plug and play sneaky

[iron orchid]

isn't there also a plater thing to track pandemic ?

[spice spire]

I too was using basic afenar’s

You can do that as well

[iron orchid]

and make bleed icons glow ?

[spice spire]

Unsure if conditions can be set tho

[iron orchid]

recently, i've been wanting this for 4p

[spice spire]

Or if it’s a static thing

[iron orchid]

yeah it's probably static

[spice spire]

I’ve never tried editing plater, I just yoinked cev’s

And it’s been wonderful

[iron orchid]

mine is fully custom, but i never tried this whole tracking pandemic thing

i'll probably spend some time on it tomorrow

[spice spire]

It’s nice ngl

In multi target I can just look for the flashing rupture and swap quick

[iron orchid]

for now i'm all about quick maths

[spice spire]

Beautiful mind type shit

[iron orchid]

with 4p i'm failing a bit too much

what i need is a bigger indicator of the duration of my vendetta

i think

so that i can check it more often

[spice spire]

That can also be shown on your plater

[glossy tulip]

I keep mine the basic because I like having to pay attention but that'd personal preference

[spice spire]

I can see where every rogue vendettas in raid

[iron orchid]

true

[glossy tulip]

That's*

[iron orchid]

i can set that apart of other debuffs

[spice spire]

But I did the math one night, and immediately edited wa to help

Raid calls + 4p plus prog is just a bit much to do math too

[glossy tulip]

In a typical vendetta you'll be refreshing your bleeds like 3-4 times iirc

[iron orchid]

what i need to remember is that i need garrote to be up at around 8-6s in vendetta, so that i can fit two more and refresh last sec

[glossy tulip]

Why refresh at 8 and 2 more times? Seems like wasted energy to me

[iron orchid]

and sometimes, i refresh one at like 11s remaining, meaning next one is up at 5s and i'm done

[spice spire]

[iron orchid]

if you refresh at 8-6s you can fit one last second before the end of vend

which will then be extended

[glossy tulip]

I also can't think of bow long it lasts right now though lol

[iron orchid]

in vendetta, garrote is around 8s, and cd is 6s iirc

depends if you refresh at start or end of pandemic window

[jade abyss]

Wait there are plater profiles for downloading?

[iron orchid]

there are

some are available on wago.io iirc

[jade abyss]

I live in the stoneage..

[iron orchid]

ask @spice spire

[spice spire]

One moment!

[iron orchid]

i'm no expert with plater profiles because my brain wants its specific things so i made my own

[spice spire]

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

It’s better to have it custom fit your preference

But this is pretty great

[iron orchid]

yes, cev one is cool

[spice spire]

The turning green when hit with sbs is a life saver. Now that I know it does I can super focus and see the color change

Colorblind problems

[iron orchid]

i'm personnally a fan of placing debuffs to the sides of the nameplates, so that stacking is cleaner

[spice spire]

Deathspike causes sbs to get a bit fuzzy on who has what

[iron orchid]

which is why i don't use cev's xd

but aside that it's pretty much everything you need

[spice spire]

I also like that his had the stuff you can dispel (if you’re a blood elf) on the side

[iron orchid]

yeah

[spice spire]

Lot of useful bits

[glossy tulip]

If that timing is correct and I'm a little fucked up right now. But I'm reading you try to squeeze 3 garrotes in the last 8-6 seconds of vendetta with garrote being a 6 sec CD? I have found it is slightly easier to keep CT up if you allow yourself to get closer to the end of a bleed

[iron orchid]

only two bro

i missspoke i think