assassination

[hollow escarp]

I actually had to send vendetta on mob as well

[limber lion]

is just mega int

[hollow escarp]

top damage on protoform

but half of vendetta went to the bin

[limber lion]

how are you top damage

[hollow escarp]

on first one at least

[limber lion]

your raid trolling

[hollow escarp]

since the other cds were on boss

[pale dirge]

😂

[limber lion]

???

so you use on add

[hollow escarp]

mine

[limber lion]

but the others use on boss

[hollow escarp]

no

[vestal wren]

secret sub rogue tech (i am joking)

[limber lion]

ah right

[hollow escarp]

my other vendettas were on boss

[limber lion]

Any boss damagers

[solid venture]

How did you handle the smol adds after the 2nd big boy dies?

Or did u just ignore em and pump boss

[limber lion]

guardian dies, you go ham on boss

[solid venture]

Aight

[limber lion]

we don't do anything in aoe

you just CT and focus boss

[solid venture]

Yeah I was thinking of CT spam with axe cache bleed cuz it lines up perfectly but that's just omegapadding

[limber lion]

yup

[hollow escarp]

you send it anyway

I did say that my damage would be better on boss but on the other hand we didn't lack overall boss damage

[warm drift]

I'm assigned for back add. I think i can't even full burst on opener then

Cursed

[solid venture]

Ye I also gotta run to fuckin china

Gotta use both door of shadow charges and either sprint or step to get there in time

[warm drift]

Yeah sprint and gate

But need to run before motes

[solid venture]

I had a bad habit of refreshing bleeds before running out cuz vendetta is still running by the time the motes drop

[subtle tundra]

wtf sending melee to back add

[warm drift]

Sounds actually sub with this strat is more comfi

As you said link

[subtle tundra]

pray to god my gm doesnt put me in on anduin 😐

[solid venture]

Yeah it really depends on your rl being an asshat or not

Next raid imma just send vendetta on boss and if he complains imma show him that screenshot of the convo earlier

Cba

[subtle tundra]

dude

if he makes you vendetta add

tell him to fuck a crab

[solid venture]

I told him it's not worth

But he's a special kind of breed

Dictator style

[subtle tundra]

tell him vendetta requires 30 seconds

[solid venture]

It's his way or the highway

[subtle tundra]

add dies in 10

[solid venture]

Ya feel me

[subtle tundra]

idk

i would throw a fit but thats just me

[solid venture]

Yeh but he "doesn't care about my damage"

[hollow escarp]

but boss goes away in less than 30, right?

[subtle tundra]

you will still have bleeds on him after he goes away

[hollow escarp]

I know

I think we tried 5 pulls like and couldn't kill add then we all commited cds to add

overall damage sucked

but boss died

[subtle tundra]

tbf you really dont need dmg

like, really dont need, on our first kill boss was 10% when we used bl

[hollow escarp]

ohh, I also used a vendetta on defence matrix automa

the one with the bombs on balcony

[indigo mulch]

I get bullied into sub every wed for guardian

[limber lion]

Guardian?

Sub is ass on Guardian

[indigo mulch]

I agree

[limber lion]

Why would you ever play Sub on guardian

[indigo mulch]

And im horrible at sub overall

[limber lion]

like what's the rationale

[indigo mulch]

He say more dmg on add

I say ok

I dont feel like arguing.

Same on sausage.

[oak sky]

Its guardian you can play anything

[indigo mulch]

[hollow dirge]

Amazing raid lead. He should look at mdi and make his tank do mdi pulls in dungeons

Cookie cutter pussies. No raid lead is going to decide what spec I play. If we’re not doing HOF, you don’t get to decide shit like specs on easy farm bosses

[solid venture]

Gigachad

[maiden onyx]

sorry to ask,as assass which leggo am i meant to use ? currently only have 2set

[limber lion]

Sim it, probably Dashing or Doomblade as NL/NF, or Dusk as Vemthyr

[hollow river]

Guess who’s joined the private log club

[subtle tundra]

private log supremacy

[hollow river]

Yeah I don’t mind it honestly

If it gets people to focus more on mechanical play and less on damage and we kill bosses faster, sick.

[grave trail]

Reapply at 6 seconds left on vendetta or what sorry tiny brain

Im so lost witj this new assa gameplay not sure if I like it, I see myself looking at rotation weak auras too often

Or sometime over write the empowered rupture when doing mechanics

[clear finch]

That's why I just Fae/Necro and call it a day

Lol

Snapshot venth tech is cool but I was excited to leave venth Sin then they tried pulling me back

[grave trail]

I mean I would have tje same issue the after vendetta not reapply on pandemic if empowered

[vestal wren]

fae def. plays a lot smoother

[grave trail]

But my brain is hardwired

To reapply during pandemic

I have no issue doing the refresh before vendetta ends i guess most of the time

[solid venture]

Idk it just takes a bit of time to get that muscle memory in tbh

[grave trail]

Also what's the cev tech of 6 second garrote

Shit doesn't make sense lol

[solid venture]

Having the updated triggers / conditions for snapshotted bleeds during vend really makes it a lot easier to not fuck up

[grave trail]

Oh I have those lol but is thay what he mean with 6 second garrote?

[solid venture]

I think what he means is that you reapply garrote when ur vend has around 6 or 7 sec left, so you can reapply it again right before vend ends

[grave trail]

Ohh cause of the cd right

Great another thing to keep in mind

[solid venture]

[grave trail]

My main problem is I have to look the weak auras too much

Like on a target dummy is easy

But doing prog while paying attention to these little details I ono

[solid venture]

Just takes some time to get used to tbh

I have no issues with it

Just feels omega bad getting a mechanic during vend if you have to run out

[grave trail]

Used to parse orange on mythic in 9.1 9.0 guess im a blue guy now and maybe purple lol

Maybe good time to join the sub freaks

🤣

[solid venture]

Can't really compare parses now to 9.1

Cuz there's way less sin players

[grave trail]

Also lihuvim felt horrible as assa

My raid didn't understand how bad is to hold vendetta for adds

And I didnt even get full value

[solid venture]

We just had this convo few hours ago

Show them this

[grave trail]

Its so tilting

[grave trail]

I just held it cause I dint wanna argue

All they say is they dont care about damage

Just do mechs

Kek

[solid venture]

Yea I know

Same here

Only warlocks are allowed to pop on boss

Fuckin unethical gamers

[grave trail]

I dunno I get like 5 seconds of full bleed vendetta then add dies

So tilting

Then you have to run to the other side of map

[solid venture]

You can't even use flag on it either

It's such a fucking waste

[hollow ether]

Just send it on the lihuvim and dot up the adds as you can other classes have the burst profile for the adds

[solid venture]

Gz u got 15 stacks and barely any cdr

[grave trail]

Oh I send flag cause then I dunno htf ima sync

[solid venture]

[grave trail]

I just go with 5 cp ready

Lol

[solid venture]

Yea but even then you gotta choose between getting bleeds up and dropping snd or casting 1 envenom and barely have any bleed uptime

By the time I get to the add I have like 7 sec of snd left

[grave trail]

I dunno I feel its bad design from blizzard too, like which class cd last 10 seconds?

[solid venture]

[grave trail]

Maybe a dh is the only one that doesn't care to waste cd on that add

Or warrior

[bleak sky]

bruh

you're not sending brand on that add

[grave trail]

I was more talking about meta but yeah meta is not really burst lol

[bleak sky]

oh yeah meta is not a cd

[grave trail]

I dunno I just think is shit design of a fight

[hollow ether]

Warriors and monks can unholy will get something with 4 piece

[grave trail]

Everyone holding cds to overkill an add

[hollow ether]

We ended up just having our two worst dps hold CDs for the adds. They’re sort of useless anyways might suggest that as a solution.

[ruby oyster]

is it normal for mastery to gain so much value suddenly? or im messing something up
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fmarQpX9cAqShyeL35mGW1

[solid venture]

I just wrote a 20 page essay to RL why I shouldn't be using vend on add, wish me luck

[grave trail]

I dont mind doing it on prog

But on rekills good luck

[arctic venture]

Guys I got my 4pc set last night, going to move now to dusk and CT

CT im not much into where im going use it in my rotation

[bleak sky]

use it, keep it up

[quasi ledge]

Just another bleed to keep up, not really anything to overthink

[arctic venture]

Just keep it up?

[normal mist]

I legit want a continuation of this, keep us updated

[quasi ledge]

New opener just takes a while to get down if you're used to the old one

[solid venture]

Sure

[normal mist]

I imagine his reply to you being (and without even going over the 1st page)

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[arctic venture]

its really worth use CT?

[solid venture]

I mean it's obviously not a 20 page essay, overexaggerated a bit xD

[normal mist]

I kinda understood that part, but kept it going xD

[solid venture]

But yea I can already see him answer the good old N

[bleak sky]

yes

[quasi ledge]

I used CDs on the adds for Lihuvim too. Hold on pull for first add, then on all adds and inbetween. I did alright but also don't really care outside of the boss dying

[bleak sky]

people aren't lying to you

[quasi ledge]

I'll probably get the answer "go sub"

[solid venture]

Guess it feels less bad to hold blades than vend

Esp if you highroll procs so you don't even have to use it at all until add spawn

@austere steppe

[arctic venture]

talents with 4 pcs set?

venthyr?

[craggy oak]

Pins has all info you need

[arctic venture]

was playing with MoD

Not seeing it.

lets me check again

[solid venture]

Ep ma mfd ct

[arctic venture]

tks

keep mfd.

that was my doubt. 🙂

[austere steppe]

@solid venture .i.

Is it just me btw or does sin seem miserable to play on xymox

[solid venture]

Depends if u get assigned to platforms or not

I just went sub cuz I had to do 2 platforms

[austere steppe]

same

[solid venture]

Can't pop vend on boss and can't really get a full vendetta on the 1st platform either in opener

[austere steppe]

you have to do the first platform?

f

[cold rampart]

when do we use sbs

[solid venture]

1st and 2nd

I resorted to going sub with tornado and omegapad on platform with cache axe bleeds

[austere steppe]

i still dont have cache yet

272 iqd and phial

zzzzzz

no luck at all

[solid venture]

Sadge

[austere steppe]

but i have had 0 loot this reclear so

for tonight

[spice spire]

Greetings and salutations mister @solid venture , in light of recent news, I’d appreciate it if you dropped your assasssination role. The red color is reserved for OTPs only, please and thank you, sincerely:

Idiotic CF,
Makeitquake

[bleak sky]

[austere steppe]

[spice spire]

Gonna make everyone in this channel a nude name

[bleak sky]

I'll be red again quake don't worry

[solid venture]

Show nudes

[bleak sky]

but red because fire mage

[solid venture]

[spice spire]

🛑

Buddy

[bleak sky]

I've sipped the ranged juice

[spice spire]

You can’t just reroll into a villain

[bleak sky]

too late

[spice spire]

Next thing this Mfer gonna be a warlock

[solid venture]

Playing mage or warlock is even worse than betraying sin for sub

[spice spire]

And I’ll have to remove member privileges SMH (I can’t do that)

[bleak sky]

[solid venture]

Begone you heathen

[spice spire]

So like I meme, but going sub isn’t even bad

Mage tho

Disgusting

Fire specifically

[bleak sky]

pew pew pew

[cold rampart]

do we use sbs on cd?

[spice spire]

Raid team number six for minalba inc

[bleak sky]

Not really, no

[spice spire]

Sbs on opener and spread to adds.
For marileth, extend Kevin as long as possible.
For heirmir, dump extra charges during gemstone windows

[limber lion]

yuk

[spice spire]

So like on lihuvim, I’ll hold so I can hit adds up on down phase

But you still wanna dump a couple to not overcap

Ya feel?

[cold rampart]

who tf is kevin

are those the soulbind guys?

[bleak sky]

also sniping those juicy resets

[spice spire]

Kevin’s oozeling

[limber lion]

yes you use garrote when you have 6-8s left on Vendetta so your garrote (which has a 6s cooldown) comes off cooldown before Vendetta ends so you can reapply it toward the end again

[bleak sky]

Kevin = Marileth trait

[spice spire]

Amen. The padlings come out and the bones fly

[arctic venture]

The finisher? guys

CT? or EV?

its not clear to me

[spice spire]

Ev?
Either way

It’s not one size fits all

This is a sim question

[quasi ledge]

Think he means Envenom. But I don't understand either way
You keep CT and Rupture up and press Envenom inbetween

[cold rampart]

@spice spire what about single target like m+ boss we use it as a cp generator on cd?

[bleak sky]

same rules apply

[spice spire]

Yes

What minalba said

On open, then dump during gemstone windows if heirmir, or if running marileth keep Kevin uptime. That’s all the play needed for NL

[cold rampart]

what is gemstone

[bleak sky]

heirmir trait

[spice spire]

Maybe he means poison bomb? But yeah, the rules are kinda the same no matter what you do. CT just adds one priority before “dump envenoms cuz nothing else to do”

[spice spire]

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/necrolord-assassination-rogue-covenant-best-soulbinds-shadowlands

[cold rampart]

thank man

[spice spire]

Anytime

[cold rampart]

am new to necro so

things look a bit complicated

havent even unlocked my soulbinds

[arctic venture]

Nice tks

[spice spire]

It’s probably the most plug and play there, that’ll be good to learn Any bit necessary you’ll need

[rocky sluice]

hey guys, are any of you doing the deathly shadows pre pull as assassination?

[bleak sky]

it doesn't work for sin

[rocky sluice]

word wanted to know

thanks

[hollow river]

It does though doesn’t it? For the free Slice n Dice

We just don’t do it because Subt/MA from Vanish has more value

[balmy condor]

Correct

[bleak sky]

oh

am I thinking of dust?

one of the prepull shenanigans didn't work for sin for sure

[balmy condor]

Dust doesn’t work for anyone anymore

So maybe?

[vestal wren]

It's not worth it

[rocky sluice]

another question, I notice lots of different people of unity on different slots for min max reasons

[indigo mulch]

How much is it for sub?

[rocky sluice]

I want to know all the different unity slots for different specs.. I noticed some have it on their wrist, neck, and feet

[balmy condor]

The slot is completely irrelevant

As Long as it doesn’t break your tier

Craft it on whatever you want

Usually wrist is recommended

Cause it’s a really low impact slot that doesn’t really break anything and you can force good stats and it’s just fine

Not a lot of good wrists

But you can craft on whatever you’d like

[rocky sluice]

Sounds good, thanks Whispyr!

[balmy condor]

Np

[noble osprey]

can someone give me percentages roughly as to where my stats should be sitting pl0x?

[subtle tundra]

THREE HUNDRED MILLION TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND AND SIXTY MASTERY

[noble osprey]

well thankyou!

[subtle tundra]

🥰

[pale dirge]

Hi I've been learning ass rogue and I see that the wowhead guide recommends MFD - SnD on 1 opener is this correct

[balmy condor]

Another one

[noble osprey]

MFD

?

[balmy condor]

Mfd into slice?

[pale dirge]

Marked for desth

[balmy condor]

Or just recommends mfd

[noble osprey]

i mean ive never played it and was just curious...

[balmy condor]

Cause it should recommend mfd

But mfd into slice is weird

Might be a typo on my part

[pale dirge]

Hey I'm just looking at the guide

Be in  Stealth.

Use  Marked for Death (if talented) with the pull timer and use it to apply  Slice and Dice with about 1s left on the timer.

[balmy condor]

Oh

Yeah that’s a min max

Cause if you get a 20-25 second pull timer

You can mfd, get slice up, and then have it again in the opener when you need it

If you don’t get pull timers that long don’t worry about it though

It’s very minor

[noble osprey]

i was asking about SS in terms of pvp if that helps lol

[balmy condor]

Pvp is just haste vers I’m pretty sure

Crit is reduced

[noble osprey]

ahh righto, cheers!

[pale dirge]

Is the pinned venth opener correct then

[balmy condor]

Yes

[thorn fjord]

I hate that mythic bells keeps simming higher than my other trinkets lol... did a gear compare and it still has more value than 272 Phial

ripppp

[echo geyser]

its kind of a trap

i heard from a whisper

[spice spire]

Mister ramfam are you a master of traps?

Can you detect them?

[echo geyser]

i cant see hunter traps

but maybe simtraps

[balmy condor]

Someone say traps?

I’m interested

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

that's a cute person

[balmy condor]

It’s me

[sonic schooner]

u cute uwu

[balmy condor]

My face after @limber lion coached me in tennis

And said I’m a quick learner

[slow marsh]

Is that your vtube avatar

[limber lion]

So talented, it's remarkable

Serena Williams shaking in her boots

[viscid spear]

Are we FFXIV now?
What's with the sprouts?

[balmy condor]

Discord decided to mark new users to the server with sprouts

[bleak sky]

I don't know why vita got one though

[balmy condor]

That way we can locate them and cyber bully them out of our exclusive club easier

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

Vita got kicked or left or something like a month ago

[bleak sky]

oh I see

[brazen zodiac]

huh

[limber lion]

sprout

🔍

[viscid spear]

Aw, our little sprout has grown into a weed.

[limber lion]

[brazen zodiac]

brussels sprouts are pretty tasty

[thorn fjord]

did someone say weed

[viscid spear]

Doused in cheese sauce maybe

[bleak sky]

nah, brussel sprouts are just tasty

[brazen zodiac]

try grillin them with salt n pepper

:D

[spice spire]

Ur tasty

[balmy condor]

Pause

[spice spire]

??

[bleak sky]

this could be us but you playin

[limber lion]

sos

[bleak sky]

damn I mistimed the weeb image

[rotund oak]

Btw whats the tech with CT,do we actually let it fall off or refresh around a sec before its gone

[bleak sky]

ct is just another bleed

[rotund oak]

ik

[bleak sky]

refresh as you would any other bleed

[brazen zodiac]

hi minal!

[rotund oak]

roger

[bleak sky]

sup supvita

[strange silo]

What was the command for oil vs stones and stuff?

[north current]

hi, i wan to ask about Envenom. Do you spaming dat spell then you got 4-5 combo points or is much better to use it and extend poison 30% application as much as possible????

on single taget

[ripe gulch]

finally got a fucking phial

after 15 plaguefalls

[spice spire]

Envenom is our “I have nothing else to do, so let’s use it” every other finisher is a higher priority

Given they’re in pandemic.
Maintaining rupture and CT is more important, and envenom extends snd, so you should just have to press once

[limber lion]

don't need one, you always play sharpening stone/spectral agi/feast

but if you still want it, it's !oil

[ripe gulch]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[limber lion]

oops

I meant Sharpening stone

not oil

we never play oil

oil bad

phantomfire bad

sharpening stone good

spectral agi good

[strange silo]

ah ok just wanted to ask about the oil 😄 but then im fine might thought maybe oil/phantomfire could be better at this point

[limber lion]

nah

they're bad

[north current]

CT in single target. If i play fea, do i need to play with it???

[limber lion]

sim it

proibably not

[spice spire]

^

[strange python]

@ripe gulch only 15... I did 43..

[spice spire]

I did 1 this tier

[vestal wren]

poor outlaw rogues ^^

[limber lion]

this is assachat

not outlawchat

:(

[vestal wren]

i know ^^

but they are the only ones using pf

[north current]

i wanted to ask should i spam envenom non stop after i apply rapture or is better to hold 7s 30% poison aplication buff or wait until it`s expire or only left 2s and re-apply it????

[willow eagle]

Think outlaw wants oil mh stone oh

[balmy condor]

Huh?

[rotund oak]

[limber lion]

holy smokes

[balmy condor]

I see “should I spam envenom”

And then don’t understand anything after

So I’m gonna say

No don’t spam envenom

That’s never a good idea

[north current]

sorry, my english is bad

[balmy condor]

Envenom is a filler

[rotund oak]

doesnt rly matter,the difference is very small

[drifting cloud]

@limber lion thoughts on assa on halondrus

[subtle tundra]

go ahead king, play it

[drifting cloud]

you playing it?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[drifting cloud]

the no miss is only 200-300 isnt it?

extra for sub that is

[strange python]

No

[rotund oak]

the true question is Nadja or CringeFae dreamweaver

for halondrus

[subtle tundra]

nadja

[strange python]

Blades cd is alot faster due to that

[subtle tundra]

i just hate kyrian sub

so i play assa

[strange python]

Shorter i mean. But I play sin on halo aswell

[rotund oak]

easiest set up in the game,u just send everything on cd,no thinking 😄

[strange python]

Hehe y

[subtle tundra]

i played kyrian sub on dasausage

and hated every moment on it

[rotund oak]

ive played it on halondrus sausage and guardian

and anduin

hated myself as well

think rygelon is textbook Sub Kyrian

[subtle tundra]

sometimes i looked at my WA for aa cp, see its fine, press finisher and miss the animacharged cp

[strange python]

Only good Thing about subl. Outside the damage is 2x step for sausage and mr X boss

[subtle tundra]

why?

[rotund oak]

dunno logs and jpc said something about rygelon and halondrus

kinda listened

[subtle tundra]

only fight ill play sub will be anduin

cause thats venthyr

[drifting cloud]

just be benched on anduin

[subtle tundra]

hopefully

[drifting cloud]

rogue kinda poopy

[rotund oak]

bench is not for me

[brazen zodiac]

nou

[subtle tundra]

i dont even need mythic helm

just get a real class in

[hollow river]

May as well be benched if rogue is bad

Kinda cozy

[ripe gulch]

i did have a friend to trade me tho

[subtle tundra]

please bench me i need a breather after halondrus

[rotund oak]

Never surrender

never give up

[ripe gulch]

high apm gaming

halond seems fun

havent progged it on mythic tho

yet

[subtle tundra]

its complete hell

mentaly exhausting

[ripe gulch]

i think after killing it you will become a much better player tho

[subtle tundra]

not a single moment of just dps

[ripe gulch]

so many shits to manage

everything else will seem easier

[subtle tundra]

and rogue is usually bomb manager

[ripe gulch]

yup

considering going sub just for halond

because of mobility

[subtle tundra]

you barely use shadowstep

its not important

[shy dust]

Whatt

The fight is a joke

Even As a melee bomb runner

The only semi hectic part is p3

[limber lion]

It's good, go for it

[ripe gulch]

i feel like its way better to have 2 for the knockback

since you usually stay behind the group when he walks

you can just step back and not care about positioning that much

[limber lion]

@drifting cloud it's like a 140 dps difference

[drifting cloud]

damn thought it would be more

[limber lion]

Sub gets around 900 dps from it, we get around 750

These sims are made with my Assa profile and Push's Sub profile

so not bis profiles

[ripe gulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[drowsy parcel]

can still negate all knockbacks in second intermission

the knock is cloakable

step cloak step

ez

[ripe gulch]

so what should i farm looking at this

all of them have simular gains

[balmy condor]

Looks like dos for stuff and anything with a dagger

[ripe gulch]

my trinkets are xy'mox and phial

i dont think xy'mox is that bad tbh

and for aoe it giga pads lmao

how much do you sim for @limber lion

[limber lion]

around 15.5

[ripe gulch]

damn

im only 14.3

[limber lion]

I can post an updated sim once we're done with this reclear

but probably around 15.6k after this

[ripe gulch]

i have no mythic gear yet

well, i do have a cloak

[strange python]

Going for Lords hc today, I'm ussualy a sub main but I cba going sub that fight.. Just got my 4p, don't rly know if I should go nf or necro for Lords... What do u guys think?

[echo geyser]

wtf cev

absolute juicer blaster

[rotund oak]

disgusting

are u even human?

[limber lion]

beep boop

🤖

[echo geyser]

half human half apl

[rotund oak]

😅

[limber lion]

Always Necro for Lords

[echo geyser]

im benched for anduin + lords

[strange python]

Okok thanks

[strange python]

FeelsBenchedMan

[ripe gulch]

feel like rogue would be good for anduin tho

[limber lion]

I'm benched for HallyD and Anduin as well

:'(

[ripe gulch]

but i guess survival hunter exists

[limber lion]

but we'll both rise for Rygelon

and pop off

[ripe gulch]

and jailer

[rotund oak]

u can kindly tell me ur raidleaders name,he might get ganked from a rogue somewhere outside the raid

no one will know

[echo geyser]

i bet if i could pull ur sin numbers maybe i could be in on lords @limber lion

or maybe u can kill it rq

and post me a log and ill show my gm

[ripe gulch]

dw, skill gap bro 😦

tbh i dont know how cev sims so high

[echo geyser]

gear ofc

why else

"bis" is like 17k so

still missing quite a bit

[ripe gulch]

1.3k above me and im 270

[rotund oak]

ilvl doesnt say alot

[ripe gulch]

only bad part of my gear is lfr pants from halondrus

[limber lion]

I'm super stacked.

[echo geyser]

tier sockets, key items like big trinkets/wep mainhand

[ripe gulch]

and cev uses a 246 ring lmao

[limber lion]

272 ring next week

[normal mist]

M+ 4/4 zold or dusk?

[limber lion]

[ripe gulch]

dusk

mb

with 4p always dusk

[normal mist]

PF 14/15's, here i gooooooo

[ripe gulch]

do 15's for vault

[rotund oak]

U should prepare urself for next reset

legion TW

FCM+Melandrus signet

im listening to alpha waves sounds to get my head rdy

[normal mist]

yes but im only trying to farm the trinkets, ill eventually do double or triple the m+ necessary for all 15's xD

[ripe gulch]

get a buddy that can trade you shit

always helps

ik demon hunters want the plaguefall weapon

so you say "i loot spec outlaw and you give me phial ok?"

then proceed to loot spec assa for the dagger anyways

[normal mist]

that requires friends

im an assa rogue

[ripe gulch]

[normal mist]

assa rogues do not have friends besides the ones from RH chat!

and even that is a big if

[ripe gulch]

ikr

[balmy condor]

That’s cause the only people playing assa are also in here coping out

Yep

[normal mist]

LOL

[echo geyser]

[normal mist]

exactly!

[ripe gulch]

last time i joined a plaguefall

a 1k rio monk was like

"subtlety?"

[rotund oak]

considering how u jump on each other throats on this channel it maek sense

[ripe gulch]

and im like

"assa, or i cant necro"

[rotund oak]

we are all pirate love in outlaw

[ripe gulch]

and he's like

"assa kinda weak :/"

[craggy oak]

Ramfam, when you streaming some sin keys for the boys

[ripe gulch]

lol

[balmy condor]

I mean he’s right

You would play venth sub in plague over necro anything rogue

[ripe gulch]

he asked for necro

im not gonna go sub necro lol

[balmy condor]

Fuck him

[ripe gulch]

plus it was tyr

[normal mist]

last time i saw ramfam in ZM, he just shitted on assa and left me crying for a solid minute

[balmy condor]

Necro buff isn’t worth playing other specs

[ripe gulch]

and i did double the boss dmg of the other 2 dps

also it was a 15

lmao

[spice spire]

@echo geyser

[ripe gulch]

unless you're doing 25s assa is fine

[fleet anchor]

Honestly anyone being hyper picky about specs in 15-18 keys is just wasting their time. They should be more critical of the vast number of people in that range who just don't even know how to play their spec at all. 😛

[ripe gulch]

there isnt a single spec that has beat me in boss damage

also xy'mox trinket exists

i can use it even better on assa

[fleet anchor]

If I'm doing a 15 or 16 I literally don't even bother changing anything about my character, just take the summon and go. It's not worth my time.

Kyrian Akaari Sub with normal trinkets, let's go. Still #1 damage every dungeon. 😛

[ripe gulch]

last pf i did xy'mox bleed was 9% of my damage

[fleet anchor]

Any halfway decent Rogue player will do completely acceptable damage in that keystone range regardless of spec or covenant

[ripe gulch]

i wish 4 piece brought shrouded suffocation back

in some way

current 4p is cool af tho

[hollow river]

[fleet anchor]

15s are so easy now with set bonuses and double legendary, every pug I've been in +2s every key lol

[hollow river]

But my OCD king

[drifting cloud]

when I have 20s done you know keys are easy ... I dont even wanna do it people just kidnap me and I think its a 16

[fleet anchor]

lol I'm all about putting my energy where I think it matters 😄

[ripe gulch]

who said something about next week legion timewalking?

is that important?

[fleet anchor]

I'm not going to the trouble of changing Covenants and resetting my Augment Rune mission table just to do 500 more DPS in a 15

[hollow river]

Depends on what spec you play

[ripe gulch]

assa and sub

[hollow escarp]

the 246 ring sims 30 less dps than a 278 guardian ring for me

it does have a socket

[hollow river]

Then yeah it’s important for assa

[hollow escarp]

but still

[hollow river]

Oh I don’t do my table

[fleet anchor]

One of these days maybe I will reach the height of laziness and do Assassination as Kyrian

[hollow river]

[ripe gulch]

what do i need from it

[drifting cloud]

cos ring

[hollow river]

Run a Droptimizer sim

[fleet anchor]

Kyrian Pelagos is good right?

[drifting cloud]

its time to stop koji

[ripe gulch]

foir what ilvl should i do it

272?

[hollow river]

Yeah

[drifting cloud]

on the other hand I did pf as necro assa I would prolly preffered to be kyrian sub

[hollow river]

272

[fleet anchor]

I think I tried that once on Lords of Dread Heroic because I was curious to see what Assassination felt like on the fight and didn't have time to hearth

I did regret it immediately

Really, really wish Blizzard would have done Covenants better lol

[hollow river]

Same

I think we all agree on that

And their solution for 9.2.5 is free 60 renown

[ripe gulch]

We should be able to swap covenants and conduits like we swap talents

[hollow river]

We need FULL campaign skips and 80 renown tokens

[ripe gulch]

At this point in the xpac

[hollow river]

Kinda ridiculous at this point

[solid venture]

@normal mist

[normal mist]

LOL

[echo geyser]

whats ur name

[normal mist]

Royalflüx

[echo geyser]

[fleet anchor]

That's mean

[echo geyser]

idk what i said but that seems a bit harsh

[subtle tundra]

if it were about assa m+, couldnt have been that bad

[fleet anchor]

You need to come together and find common ground

[subtle tundra]

[echo geyser]

[spice spire]

Why hate other rogues when you can hate locks tho

[next dune]

Cause locks know who they are. Sub players are fake rogues

[solid venture]

and fire mages

[echo geyser]

@balmy condor u were right

too high levels of in here

[spice spire]

[echo geyser]

[stray ivy]

sin is a meme in m+ right

[subtle tundra]

i will not type

[limber lion]

yes if the only dungeons you do are 25+'s

[stray ivy]

so under 25 its not auto decline?

[balmy condor]

it's dangerous levels

[limber lion]

Sure

[subtle tundra]

it is auto decline

but you can play it

just people need to not notice

[stray ivy]

lmao

[fleet anchor]

Just queue as Sub and then swap. Nobody will notice.

[solid venture]

[stray ivy]

I only play wow when sin is good at m+. so some legion and bfa patches

[hollow escarp]

they will notice when Halkias is not dead

[spice spire]

We are not the feral of rogue specs

[balmy condor]

true, feral has a niche

[stray ivy]

i like to dot stuff up and spam fok

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

time to quit then

[hollow escarp]

[spice spire]

That niche is the bench homie

[stray ivy]

@bleak sky i didn't play SL, maybe like a week ro 2

[spice spire]

Same shit

[echo geyser]

sin do be nice in raid tho

sometimes

[stray ivy]

raid is easy toget into

[limber lion]

yeah

[echo geyser]

outlaw seems like the actual dead spec rn

[limber lion]

just que lfr

[echo geyser]

everywhere

[willow eagle]

Except pvp

[echo geyser]

yeah, pve

sadly i dont jam with pvp

[willow eagle]

Outlaw's niche PvP spec confirmed

[echo geyser]

it is true atm

[stray ivy]

why did they put slice and dice back in? people like to arbitrarily keep that up?

[willow eagle]

I don't do arenas, I just bladeflurry teams down in random bg's

[hollow escarp]

it's damage increase

so we keep it up

[willow eagle]

Fun times

[stray ivy]

so in bfa and legion i didn't need it

[slow marsh]

i love this

[stray ivy]

why do i need to press it in SL?

i'm guessing they purely put it in for nostalgia

and nothing more

[willow eagle]

9.0.5 was assa and sub swapped spots :p

[hollow escarp]

on assa you should only press it once on pull

it gets extended by envenom

[stray ivy]

if its just one press, why put it back in

i guess im asking on a design point of view

only thing I can logically gather is nostalgia

[hollow escarp]

they did had the "unpruning" agenda

at the start of SL

[stray ivy]

howd that turn out

[hollow escarp]

and brought old spells

well

we got PI

[stray ivy]

😄

[willow eagle]

Rogue didn't get much from unpruning

Poisons for all specs was ok

[slow marsh]

they added it back but we didn't have cttc so it seemed like the intention was for everyone to press it

then we told them over and over that it was buns and they added cttc

[stray ivy]

all i see is a pointless extra upkeep spell on many specs, for the purpose of nostalgia

[hollow escarp]

warriors got some prot abilities they can't even use, like the shield slam or something

[slow marsh]

i dont have any issue with slice for what it is tbh

i do think it hsould be made passive again and replaced with a different upkeep buff/debuff though

at least for assassination

[hollow escarp]

I think it's fine for assassination

it feels kinda bad on sub

[next dune]

Yeah it turns black powder spamming into such a chore

[vestal wren]

i don't think any of the specs enjoys using slice and dice

it was a bit weird to see it return

even tho it being mostly passive on sin makes it a lot more accaptable

[fleet anchor]

I'll admit I really don't mind it all that much. It's kinda whatever

[vestal wren]

for sub, it actually works fairly well with sht, thats why i think its not as bad

i think rupture is probably worse than snd in terms of feedback

because rupture does essentially nothing on sub

[fleet anchor]

I did like it more for Assassination when it increased energy regen because it actually did something. It's pretty non-impactful atm.

Rupture for Sub I agree is actually more useless feeling than SnD 😛

[vestal wren]

it is good on sin because you get additional benefits from it, so its well integrated

[karmic cedar]

Hey guys, just got my 4pc, stupid question if playing NF, should I always try to sync Vendetta and Sepsis? Seems like it would be a significant delay of Vendetta in some situations

[vestal wren]

+1

[karmic cedar]

I'm mostly a PvPer where using them together is massive burst

[vestal wren]

i think the energy regeneration was a good idea, sadly removed

[fleet anchor]

Not always no. Only if you won't lose a cast at the end of the fight due to delaying it.

[slow marsh]

for NF you just want to make sure you sync shiv with each cd

and vend and sepsis will auto sync every other

[karmic cedar]

Gotcha, thank you both

[slow marsh]

true but also melee contends for top dam as assassination moreso than sub so it's at least understandable

[fresh heron]

is there any type of soft or hard caps for assassination, or is it just stack until your sim says otherwise?

[slow marsh]

nope just follow sim and you're good

it'll be crit haste up to some point then mastery creeps in

[vale oasis]

Y'all playing with the FoN conduit since the buff ?

[slow marsh]

no fan sucks booty cheeks and not even in the good way

[fresh heron]

Alright i simmed some items, one being haste centered and another being crit mastery and it took my haste down to 13% and sent my crit to 40 and mastery to 41 and it says its better, 13% just seems low for haste, so was curious, i'll give it a shot.

[slow marsh]

yeah secondaries aren't that important especially if you're mix matching ilvl because of the agi.

also it changes a bit depending on what your pref covenant is so there is no real one size fits all answer, just have to sim for yourself

[fresh heron]

ye, rgr that. Thanks friend.

[tidal gorge]

I will always be in the camp that SnD should have remained passive. Keeping yet another buff going isn't interesting gameplay. They should give us different ways of doing damage as a new finisher instead. Either a baseline aoe finisher or some more variety in our normal ST damage finishers (for different purposes) or both. Maybe some new finisher that works in interesting ways when you weave it in with both CT and rupture/envenom

[vale oasis]

What about FoN giving 1combo point per target hit like Sub. Thats what I want the most

[tidal gorge]

Like it would be cool if we had a finisher that spread bleeds to nearby targets if your primary target was already bleeding. Or something similarly interesting that you may not want to use all the time, but would be extremely useful in certain circumstances. (Does more damage to your main target based on number of nearby bleeding targets, something, anything)

[subtle tundra]

no

also, its not fon bruv

its fok

😐

[limber lion]

fan of nives

[bleak sky]

fan of N-> sub -> activate

[subtle tundra]

do people want fok to give cp/target like sub so it can be boring af or what????

[vale oasis]

Oh yeah my bad but why not tho ?

[subtle tundra]

it should give additional cp based on ruptured/garroted targets

make it so it requires iq

[bleak sky]

no but I want it to be better

[subtle tundra]

literally same?

but i dont want that

[bleak sky]

same

make sin viable

pls

[vestal wren]

yes

[slow marsh]

no i don't

[vestal wren]

sin is even more than viable, its very competitive in the raid

[slow marsh]

i want fok to stay low cp builder

and here's why

[bleak sky]

no, no, m+ wise

[slow marsh]

what are you gonna spend those cp on

envenom?

[bleak sky]

BIG FUNNEL

[vestal wren]

oh ye, sin is big sad in m+

[bleak sky]

[vestal wren]

reminds me of ttk

[slow marsh]

I would much rather have fan give 1 cp on 6 mobs cuz rng but do reasonable damage

[timid cloud]

Plaguefall & TOP only.

[fresh heron]

Just want a decent spender tbh

[bleak sky]

oh i'd take fok doing damage as well

i'd take anything

any crumb please

[tidal gorge]

Stuff that synergizes with bleeding more targets nearby would be my preference. Something that spreads ruptures in one cast, maybe something that increases funnel based on number of nearby bleeding targets. Having both of those would feel like our spec actually has flavor. I would be fine with FoK as it is if we had actual interesting abilities otherwise

[subtle tundra]

i'd take like any m+ change so

[fresh heron]

^^^

[slow marsh]

we have this talk like every day now lol

[bleak sky]

I wonder whyy

[subtle tundra]

makes me happier to think of better times

[slow marsh]

the real answer is full retouch on sin

[cobalt hemlock]

yeah it feels preety damn good to use cataclysm or seed of corruption on warlock and have your dots on everything imidiately

[obtuse robin]

i went to bed with this convo and now im waking upo with this convo

[sonic schooner]

I d keep fok as it is but making the fok conduit baseline or something like that

[slow marsh]

the bandaid is either buff garrote 5-10% or buff fan like 100%

[red plaza]

Shrouded suffocation baseline anyone?

[obtuse robin]

a mini version of that sure

[slow marsh]

tbh even if we had shrouded baseline i still dont think that it would make it much more relevant in m+

[obtuse robin]

it wont

[slow marsh]

it would be better ofc but it doesn't fix much of anything

[timid cloud]

Honestly. Not surprised this conversation hasn’t ended 12 hours later.

We get it guys, SIN m+ blows, just play Warrior or Sub & get it over with.

[oak sky]

Bad take

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-bear-kill-myself-cartoon-gif-13827769

[slow marsh]

just seems like a lot of people want sin to be even more similar to sub with their change ideas

[timid cloud]

HOT fucking take.

But yeah.

Just needs QOL.

[bleak sky]

nah nah nah

it needs a lot more than qol

needs to actually do damage

[timid cloud]

I mean that is QOL at the same time.

[oak sky]

Yeye shuriken storm for sin yeye instant finisher more burst? Less buttons?

[slow marsh]

it needs a full tune-up but qol stuff would be involved too right

[timid cloud]

Not just 30% to my fucking shit builder that is inefficient.

One sec popping echoing blades on real quick like

[slow marsh]

like as a concept sin as it stands is still really good as is

[tidal gorge]

Something both the other rogue specs have is the ability to do aoe while focusing and/or funneling on a primary target with cooldowns. That should be the rogue niche, but sin's aoe toolkit is directly antagonistic to that role ¯_(ツ)_/¯ It needs an ability to do its aoe thing (spread bleeds) while not getting carpal tunnel and gimping its focus damage at the same time

[slow marsh]

getting carpal tunnel doesn't matter that's not the issue again

[oak sky]

Sin literally can do focus damage

[balmy condor]

makes sense kinda, the thing holding sin back is either low tuning on damage or combo point gen, people hate how fok feels with the crit rng, so that's the thing everyone wants, ez pz sub gameplay

[subtle tundra]

how about we dont need to sacrifice dps cds for utility

[oak sky]

Its worse than sub funnel but it definitelt exists

Outlaw is the same

[sonic schooner]

Tbh makes rupture hit 6 targets, as well as envenom, and double the bleeds duration. Ez fix

[oak sky]

Worse than sub but exists

[sonic schooner]

[bleak sky]

next patch friend, tier set is gone

and shiv will no longer soothe mobs

[oak sky]

10.0 rogue soothe is DEAD

[subtle tundra]

or make a separate ability for assa

that is the same as shiv

does the same thing

but its not shiv

and we can have shiv soothe

[bleak sky]

TWO SHIV POG

[subtle tundra]

maybe also call it toxic blade

or smth

[timid cloud]

Stop.

[subtle tundra]

Cope.

wait das me

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

[oak sky]

Ur too smart blizz hire this man

[timid cloud]

I want to pretend we are not neglected like Feral is.

[oak sky]

We arent feral

We get tuning

[timid cloud]

I mean no one is, really.

Very rarely.

[bleak sky]

feral did too

[slow marsh]

theirs was kinda real though vs ours

[timid cloud]

I could count on one hand for the past 3 tiers.

[slow marsh]

over the course of time feral is very untouched sure but

[subtle tundra]

I cant count

[timid cloud]

Then boy do I have a a spec for you!

Let me tell you about Outlaw…

[tidal gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/fixed-gif-14953349

Aura buff

FIXED

[oak sky]

Outlaw out here with 1 balance change all expansion

[spice spire]

+10% blade flurry

Huge stuff

[oak sky]

25%

🤓

[balmy condor]

what's more useless

10% blade flurry

or 30% fok

[timid cloud]

Well NUMBA

[bleak sky]

yes

[timid cloud]

30%

BIGGER SO THAT MEAN STRONGER RIGHT?

[balmy condor]

fuck

TRUE

[timid cloud]

Wrong.

[oak sky]

Blade flurry is a relevant ability

[timid cloud]

Fan of knives does no fucking damage.

[bleak sky]

we fok on 3 targets now

it's relevant

[balmy condor]

neither does outlaw

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-tom-hardy-uhh-thats-bait-point-mad-max-gif-15591117

[obtuse robin]

oh man buff fire mage again sadge

[timid cloud]

Wdym, Outlaw did better on Prototype Pantheon.

[solid venture]

fuck fire mages

[limber lion]

2nd week of no upgrades from mythic reclear sadge

[timid cloud]

RIP Cev

[bleak sky]

this is before buffs though

[timid cloud]

What’d y’all clear to?

[obtuse robin]

yea i know bro

[balmy condor]

demo is only good cause of PI honestly that nerf wasn't deserved at all, for more info DM @abstract leaf

[oak sky]

Baaaaaat

[obtuse robin]

lol

[oak sky]

Demo lost pi to udk

[fleet anchor]

I mean that is last week's stats tbf 😛

[abstract leaf]

do you just lie all the time or

[balmy condor]

[timid cloud]

Demo 0-25 parses were above a lot of peoples 50’s

[bleak sky]

you don't spend enough time here huh?

[timid cloud]

That’s undeserved btw

Class is actually wild.

[spice spire]

They’re not

[oak sky]

Last tier the top 200 demo parses on every boss all had pi

[spice spire]

Can confirm that much at least

[timid cloud]

They were. Not anymore.

[spice spire]

They weren’t

[bleak sky]

ranged aren't people anyway so

[spice spire]

Source: my warlock

[bleak sky]

this is not a discussion worth having

[spice spire]

[timid cloud]

LOL

We have 3.

[balmy condor]

YES

[spice spire]

Same

[balmy condor]

MORE

FEED ME

[timid cloud]

Might as well only have 1.

[balmy condor]

MY MAW HUNGERS

[timid cloud]

I said what I said.

[spice spire]

2/3 are deece

[slow marsh]

make fan of knives great again

[spice spire]

Amen cydone based take

[bleak sky]

deece nuts

haaa

[bleak sky]

xd

[balmy condor]

frost mage should get a buff what do you guys think about that

[bleak sky]

FIRE MAGE ON A COME UP RISING RAMPING

[timid cloud]

[slow marsh]

BUYBUYBUY

[subtle tundra]

fuck your anime girls

[slow marsh]

SHORT SQUEEZE INC BUY FIRE MAGE NOW

[limber lion]

don't mind if I do

[bleak sky]

you literally can't, they're pixels

[spice spire]

I heard that lock is only busted because of PI, what are your thoughts on another 5% destro buff? Or maybe buffing aff lock? I mean it seems pretty lonely in the middle with two others at the top :/ @abstract leaf

[balmy condor]

SELL WARLOCK BUY MAGE FAST

[bleak sky]

given that @abstract leaf has the leading warlock TC on his speed dial, I'd say he's a pretty good source of info

[subtle tundra]

brownymage rising

actually cant wait to get 4pc on monk

[fleet anchor]

On a collision course!

[subtle tundra]

gonna tank big stuff

[timid cloud]

Ret Stonks incoming btw

[balmy condor]

the ROI on mage is looking crazy, have to invest before the dip

[timid cloud]

When people get that mythic jailer weapon, it’s over for you fucking nerds.

[fleet anchor]

I can see the Outlaw buff helped a lot