assassination

[oak sky]

I didnt get my 5th slot until after our guardian kill i think but at least i had set bonus before that

[bleak sky]

....mythic guardian...?

[oak sky]

Yeah

In sanctum

Pretty sure my first log on it i didnt have bek

I was missing the gloves

[bleak sky]

that's big depresso

[oak sky]

At least i had set

[fading wigeon]

when you queue, does it show the item level in bag, or what you are wearing?

[oak sky]

Should be bag i think

[fading wigeon]

thanks!

[hollow river]

Yeah my 5th slot took quite a while as well

[deft vault]

are we even suppose to have time to envenom in vendetta with the venthyr build?

[subtle tundra]

yes

1-2

[hollow river]

You can let CT drop to refresh SnD by casting Env

[deft vault]

anyone has the macro for iqd?

the one that drops target so you dont get execute

[strange python]

during vendetta with shiv on, do i refresh CT or focus on garrote and rupture, while dropping envenoms?

with 4 piece that is

[balmy condor]

you refresh ct

[strange python]

right on, ty boss

[storm belfry]

for marileth do you guys do 3 potency or nah

[balmy condor]

yep

[storm belfry]

it's cool that the oozeling buff seems to go up to 4mins

[balmy condor]

it'll go higher than that too if you get resets

I've seen a 25 minutes kevin

pretty lit

[storm belfry]

oh wow

thats insane lol

[balmy condor]

yeah was in like a +7 or something

just afk kept throwing spikes

things kept dying

so I just kept throwing

[zinc frost]

278 tier pants from vault, delicious

[balmy condor]

[frosty cedar]

should just be able to

/cleartarget
/use 13/14
/targetlasttarget

[old halo]

whats MFD stand for?

[oak sky]

marked for death

[hollow river]

trash vault once again boys

[oak sky]

join le club

[hollow river]

278 haste mas legs or 278 crit haste boots

278 legs would be 5/5 pieces for creation cata

boots are like a 0.5% upgrade, same as my crit vers boots if i upgrade them to 272 (sub)

[kindred dune]

is sin m+ this week a bit more viable again ?

[hollow river]

Vault has shitted on me all season

[hollow river]

What are you on about exactly

How was it any less viable before this week

[kindred dune]

I find it was pretty trash this week

so I wondered if fortified week is better again

[bleak sky]

No it's still trash

But if you like it, play it

[kindred dune]

damn

[hollow river]

If you’re pushing high keys you basically play sub this season atm

[kindred dune]

will try again, you guys play zoldyck?

[hollow river]

If you’re not then play whatever you like

[thin imp]

!fuu

[hollow river]

Zoldycks or Duskwalkers if you have 4p

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[kindred dune]

gotcha so no real changes

thanks

[strange python]

It will also sometimes pull shit so careful. It pulled ickus while spitting at a spiteful mob

I'm also still hyped about getting the phial in vault today. First vault phial of the xpac

[bleak sky]

Gzgzgz

[strange python]

I don't wanna use iqd though :(

[deft vault]

can you cloak the jailer mc cast?

[balmy condor]

yes

[empty tide]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[misty holly]

One nice thing I have to say about Kyrian is dropping a 7 combo point rupture just before vendetta ends feels unfair.

Vendetta is almost up again before it falls off lol

Pandemic to a 20 second boosted rupture.

vendetta was at 40s left cooldown when that rupture dropped

so "almost" is relative, but it felt like a lot of time

[dull osprey]

for ST, do I prioritize keeping CT up during shiv windows or envenoms?

I know I want it up during vendetta windows

[fleet whale]

i'm pretty sure ct is priority regardless if it's about to fall off

unless if snd is about to fall off, in that case you would envenom

[dull osprey]

Ah okay, I'm just maintaining 3 bleeds and casting envenom if snd is falling off

yeah

[fleet whale]

yeah, or casting envenom if you have nothing else to dump cps on

no need to clip your bleeds early

[dull osprey]

yeah actually, during vendetta window, when am I refreshing bleeds? right as they are about to fall off, or try to just spam them all to maintain pandemic?

[fleet whale]

I don't have tier yet so I'm prolly not the best person to ask

[dull osprey]

werd

[raven vapor]

You want to refresh them at at 50% of the usual pandemic

4.2 for rupture, 2.7 for garrote etc

If you're using weakauras to track your pandemic you can update the logic to change the pandemic windows during vendetta

[dull osprey]

gotcha

[slow marsh]

kek killed 4 bosses without tea oops

[storm belfry]

[echo heart]

Does anyone know if 2/4 piece set bonuses affect the bleed from a zandalari thats using Kimbul? Also then would it be worth taking over paku?

[brazen zodiac]

gg

[balmy condor]

does not

kimbul bleed doesn't count for anything

completely independant

[echo heart]

ty

[quick crane]

Ass rogues. Whatchu be running for leggo these days?

asking for a friend

[oak sky]

with tier dusk without tier dashing

[quick crane]

fuckin A brother

[upbeat needle]

venth or necro on lords?

and pantheon

[oak sky]

necro

[upbeat needle]

same thing w vigilant?

[oak sky]

yep

[upbeat needle]

or is sub just better there w 4pc

[oak sky]

well yeah sub is likely better

but if you choose to play sin its necro for cleave/aoe

[upbeat needle]

yeah just playing sin for cleave bosses this tier

I'm sub degen now

[spice spire]

Sin is literally a lords spec

Unless you’re among the faithful

[slow marsh]

faithful

[balmy condor]

pvp spec

[oak sky]

sin really is becoming more like sub

[zinc frost]

Literally dozens of us

[spice spire]

And sub like sin

But seal fate is extreme to them currently

[fair imp]

How far is assassin behind sub for m+ did the buff to FOK do anything? Just started playing rogue again

[oak sky]

tl;dr the buff did nothing

[fair imp]

Aww that sucks I'm not really a fan of sub rather assassin or outlaw maybe one day 😕

[balmy condor]

yeah sub is still very far ahead

[dry copper]

sin would have to be s uper fucking good in keys to make me swap, just cause it's so much effort for so little gain

[upbeat needle]

how y'all simmin for panth

4T?

or DS

[balmy condor]

4t execute

and then you lose to sub anyway

[upbeat needle]

sub better on panth now ???

[balmy condor]

yeh

sub does more 4t than zold necro sin

[upbeat needle]

well shit

I might as well just swap

Sin just better on Lords?

smh

[balmy condor]

sin is lords spec yes

[thorn fjord]

[spice spire]

and pvp in a whispyr voice

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[oak sky]

max is a faeboy

i bet someone told him venth has ct in st and he noped out

wait does that motherfucker have tier

[slow marsh]

he was venth earlier without tier so

[balmy condor]

CT and MFD and MA

[oak sky]

MA is fine if you have 50% crit

no but

[zinc frost]

Your favourite

[oak sky]

did he actually get tier today

i dont think i can take it

if he got all 4 in 1 day

[slow marsh]

Idk I played a pull as necro on sausage and immediately swapped back to venth

I probably just need to play night fae on everything ig

[oak sky]

idk why you would go necro on sausage tho

[slow marsh]

cuz i had it for wall and thought i was doing pantehon

[ebon notch]

wall?

[oak sky]

vg

[ebon notch]

whys it called wall

[oak sky]

im assuming

because its a big wall

[ebon notch]

yeah and fatescribe had a big telescope

we dont call him pirate tho

or astronomer

[balmy condor]

who calls guardian wall

[dawn ivy]

but no one wants to say vigilant guardian

we say VG

[oak sky]

i remember someone saying that like

way back in ptr

[hollow river]

yes and he also pressed (N) long ago and clicked the Subtlety specialization.

[strange python]

Doing back to back platforms on xymox fucking blows holy

Heinous for flag timings too

[mortal pike]

my haste is so low zzz feels bad

[ebon notch]

what rogue is sick at the mobility there

you gate over and when the pack is dead you just door back

or step to a dh

or door over and sprint to the gate and gate back

lots of options

just make sure you get the timing down because the edge of the ring spawns where the gate typically ends on the platform and can just oneshot you

[brazen zodiac]

daps so cool

[strange python]

Shit for dam tho

Idgaf about the mobility

[ebon notch]

its good for dam wdym

less downtime

you blast the platform and get back to the boss faster

[hollow river]

sheeesh is pantheon actually an outlaw boss now

[ebon notch]

No boss is an outlaw boss

[hollow river]

their parses are higher on it O:

all 15 of them O:

nvm LOL they're top parse is not higher

they're percentile is just higher because of the tiny amount of parses lmfao

though quite competitive with sin for it tbh

[slow marsh]

rogue is a bench class for panth for a lot of guilds sadly

[oak sky]

[ebon notch]

Lmao

[slow marsh]

[jolly cobalt]

i looked through the sin FAQ and couldnt find this answer, does bone spike get impacted by the 4 set bonus?

[oak sky]

i dont have to quit

[jolly cobalt]

aka the speed up of the bleed, even though its a permanent dot

[slow marsh]

yes

[jolly cobalt]

what about cache of treasures?

probably not?

[slow marsh]

never

[jolly cobalt]

ok

[slow marsh]

trinkets don't interact with kit unless you're a sub rogue

[spice spire]

[ebon notch]

You need therapy my guy

[oak sky]

i mean no shit sherlock

[ebon notch]

Huh

That you need therapy?

[stray mural]

man 4 set feels amazing

[ebon notch]

[hollow river]

yup

im chillin rn watching my guild prog it

[hollow river]

dkjansdkjan pog

1 more

or is that the 4th

[slow marsh]

its his 4

so we can cheer him on as he rises on the leaderboards, just kidding he's still playing sin

[hollow river]

praise RNGesus

[upbeat needle]

dude I almost quit last night

then got 4pc today

grats bro

[timid cloud]

I just did 1-2 but if you send flag on the intermission you can have it back if you get a little bit lucky for 2.

[strange python]

I throw it on pull and then intermission, and we're in intermission again as we do the bomb back from plat2

[timid cloud]

Up to you if you want to Shuriken Nado though. I did it once & it felt kinda bad on 2, but I didn’t one pull & it felt okay. Flag timings are definitely weirdo for sure.

[strange python]

Then we hold DPS for 45 after plat3 seconds for the dance before pushing to p3

And vending on platform feels shit since it doesn't live long enough

[timid cloud]

Oh that’s interesting.

Why do they hold?

I’d imagine making that 25% push would feel a lot better.

[hollow river]

this has become a pseudo-subtlety channel apparently

[timid cloud]

LOL

[spice spire]

Silence doomer

[timid cloud]

Okay I tried Sin on Xy’mox, if you’re not glued to the boss…I’d rather just pass away…

I’d rather go Outlaw.

🧢

[spice spire]

Should have went NF

[timid cloud]

Stop.

[spice spire]

Pod helps

[timid cloud]

CEASE

[spice spire]

[timid cloud]

[strange python]

#assassination-faq

[hollow river]

i'm ngl i love sin

and i love the 4p

but i can't imagine playing sin on any of these bosses besides the 2 i'm sitting for anyway lmao

[inland heath]

just got it from raid finder, does it makes a big change?

[hollow river]

yes

[strange python]

anyone actually playing nf assa?

[spice spire]

Some are

[inland heath]

i just care about mythic+ tho

[spice spire]

I’d say I’m unsure why, but people will do anything

[strange python]

thinking about getting it up for when my group needs a nf

for M+

[spice spire]

It’s fine.
It’s supremely 3rd for m+

[slow marsh]

i love sin too

dont get it twisted

[strange python]

ez thanks

[slow marsh]

but its just worse than sub in everything outside of lords

[hollow river]

yep :/

[strange python]

venth sims higher then my necro for M+ now using dusk and unity for both

[strange python]

Sin felt great on sausage, skolex, and Halondrus. It would feel awesome on pantheon if we didn't bench rogues

thats teh correct lego for when you get 4pc yeah?

[spice spire]

Ye

[inland heath]

who cares let world first raider kill themselves with that we can enjoy the game

[hollow river]

sure but sub just does more dam on all of those

[strange python]

I could have definitely dropped 14k on desussy tonight if we didn't lose half the raid

[hollow river]

besides panth

[spice spire]

One minute vendetta that zooms is pretty good

[strange python]

I'm not convinced of that.

[spice spire]

On the what?

[hollow river]

i mean you can go look at it lol....

[slow marsh]

one min zoomer vend IS nice true.

[strange python]

I think sin has a lot of value as you get better gear and the damage profile is great.

[slow marsh]

but not being able to use it as 1min is cringe

[hollow river]

i mean yeah the gap is gonna keep getting smaller

[strange python]

I mean, sub was always going to start this tier stronger than sin, it gets way more value from edge of night. The gap closes to basically nothing as time goes on.

I'm 276 ilvl, sin is highly competitive

[hollow river]

ehh we'll see

[strange python]

And I only have 1 dag

[slow marsh]

yeah i dont think so

[hollow river]

i don't see it happening

[slow marsh]

i mena in st sims sure

[strange python]

Depends a good bit on boss timings.

[hollow river]

also depends on skill for sure

[slow marsh]

true

sub needs less of it

[hollow river]

sin is much higher skill cap comparing to the rest of the expac so far

ehhh

kyrian sub is pretty decent skill cap

[strange python]

I will say I'm struggling to identify CT refreshes in vendetta. When rupture is at 6-8 and CT has fallen off I've been prioing the rupture for my last bleed but I'm sure I could be doing better there

Kyrian sub is easy.

It just takes a bit of waiting for tech for the 2cp

[hollow river]

it's definitely not easy

easy is warrior

sub aoe is pretty easy

[slow marsh]

na kyrian sub is pretty easy

[hollow river]

but properly playing kyrian i would not call easy

[slow marsh]

RC makes the whole messing up dance timings not a thing

[hollow river]

i thought it was easier to play venthyr

it was just more punishing if your flag got fucked

i like everything being on a timer

[slow marsh]

Yeah I mean it just dpeends on what's easy to someone

[hollow river]

and more predictable

kyrian is just dancedancedance

[slow marsh]

venthyr punishes people for not having patience

[hollow river]

you have to watch PV stacks

[slow marsh]

kyrian takes away any kind of patience and timing

[hollow river]

backstab during Dance if trying to be 100% optimal

[oak sky]

can we mod plater for the tier set

[hollow river]

very fast paced

[oak sky]

or is that not a thing

[hollow river]

uhhhh

i know you can mod WAs for it

idk if you can add conditions like that to Plater

[slow marsh]

you can

[oak sky]

idk how

i kinda need it

i have the pandemic thing again

already

i mean

[strange python]

You got 4set?

[split grail]

MA/Vig or Sub/DS for aoe build?

[strange python]

Necro with sub DS

[balmy condor]

^

[strange python]

I honestly hate playing rogue this tier

I don't enjoy any of the set bonuses in actual gameplay

[split grail]

ty

Which soulbind as necro aoe? bonesmith still?

[strange python]

The one with the oozeling for waves of adds or dungeons, bonesmith for long-duration adds

Throw out SBS like crazy if it's adds and oozeling, save charges for gemstone if it's heirmir

[split grail]

Yeah I'm thinking pantheon specifically

[oak sky]

@slow marsh i beat your VG sorry bro

[slow marsh]

bro

idgaf

im glad

[oak sky]

i didnt vendetta in lust

[slow marsh]

i be straight trolling rn

[oak sky]

about to do skolex

with scuffed plater

[strange python]

@balmy condor got any general rules for vendetta with CT? I'm consistently hitting 4/5 seconds of vendetta timing left with a 6-8 second rupture and CT falling. Re-up rupture? Or get another CT going?

[oak sky]

this should be interesting

[strange python]

I'm ready to go from rank 30 all star sanctum to blue parsing sepulcher. I hate this raid

[slow marsh]

asking whisp as if he plays sin

[strange python]

He got the Sims

[balmy condor]

CT then rup

[strange python]

If I can't get a CT and another rup, but CT is down and rup is in pandemic, then what?

[slow marsh]

rup

[oak sky]

just died to the tank mechanic on skolex

gg

no parse

they for sure kill

[brazen zodiac]

you ever just shadowstep into a thousand blue circles of death on skolex

very magical

[slow marsh]

yeah

step is dangerous on that boss

[brazen zodiac]

based gaming

[oak sky]

i didnt step

im tilted

[brazen zodiac]

f

[oak sky]

i think our tank boped or something

and i randomly insta died

[brazen zodiac]

through cheat?

get owned ig

[ebon notch]

Always step after the knockup

Completely safe

[silent tinsel]

Suddenly 20% doesnt seem like much when you see the actual ap ratios

[slow marsh]

30% never seemed like much cuz we can see the damage

we get more damage out of poison application on fan than we do from fan itself ever

[lost sentinel]

Is sylvanas dagger still top dog?

[ebon notch]

What

[zinc frost]

Not for sin

[grave trail]

quick question do you always refresh bleeds regardless of pandemic before going into second flag/vendetta?

[mortal pike]

is it time to start bullying my guild for Pi's

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

no

don't ignore pandemic

[mortal pike]

I mean clearly I deserve pi if I do the most dam yea?

[balmy condor]

exactly

huge brain

[mortal pike]

think about it tho right

Lets say PI is like a 7% gain for a lock or something right? but the lock is bad

if you multiple bad by 0.07 its still bad

u see what im going for here?

[balmy condor]

[mortal pike]

sorry 1.07

[kindred rapids]

just tell them you can snapshot the haste from PI now

[mortal pike]

PI is a touchy subjet in the guild as we have 3 locks

and 1 of the pi's goes to our prot paladin

[balmy condor]

so you don't have a fire mage, or a good look, or a mm hunter, or a balance druid, or an enh

[mortal pike]

shh sh shshhh

[kindred rapids]

about to be 3 locks losing their PI

[mortal pike]

[kindred rapids]

to fire mages mostly

but maybe, just maybe, you can steal one too

[oak sky]

i got a xymox port in operner

opener

worst feeling ive ever had

[kindred rapids]

I go back and forth on holding cds

[oak sky]

nah never

gotta play for the peak

[kindred rapids]

I mean you don't get any extra casts

if you use them right away

cuz you go to intermission too soon anyways

and you probably don't need cds for intermission

[oak sky]

full send bro

[kindred rapids]

....

[oak sky]

i have to send in intermission

im on plat

[kindred rapids]

ah

why are you on plat?

[balmy condor]

any second platform gamers

[kindred rapids]

seems like rogue is better on the boss than most specs

[slow marsh]

you send in intermissions even if you don't go platform

[kindred rapids]

I've been trying that too but it seems like wasted damage

everything dies so quick

[slow marsh]

cd the far acolyte as it comes out

[kindred rapids]

I mean yeah

you still only get 10 seconds on it or so

[slow marsh]

i mean if your raid is actually killing everything that quickly then sure hold but

[kindred rapids]

yeah I think a lot of my raid is popping cds there now

At the start they were dieing much slower and it made more sense to use cds

I don't know it feels bad either way rn

maybe I should try to get other ppl to move their cds...

[ebon notch]

Sub rogue can go platform

Assa rogue on platform is troll

Assa has good boss and intermission damage

The CDs line up perfectly

[oak sky]

true

I control my raid

I'm the raid leader

[kindred rapids]

yeah I was gonna say 😂

[ebon notch]

I mean it's your job to tell the RL when he's trolling you

[kindred rapids]

here's me using cds on the far acolyte: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d76VZR2MhGDQ4J1g#fight=27&type=damage-done&target=85.2&source=27&start=7650025&end=7671019

[ebon notch]

You know your class he doesn't

Most of the time

[kindred rapids]

if I get bleeds up and flag first I get barely 10s of vendetta

[ebon notch]

Be vocal and don't let yourself get fucked up

[kindred rapids]

I could get on it a little earlier but it just seems like padding

[slate forge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[ebon notch]

Or enjoy getting fucked up w.e works

[oak sky]

i told him its better off

he doesnt like changing stuff

which is extremely fair

because nobody in our guild can adapt to anything

[grave trail]

Ok thanks i just seen a lot of top logs Rupture pre entering Flag > Vendetta cd with rupture no where near pandemic so was wondering

[glass tulip]

@oak sky first night in mythic 2.5 bosses down, still no 4pc after new LFR wing 🥲

[oak sky]

Sadge

we killed all heroic tier and 3 mythic tonight

[glass tulip]

also my rogue was deleted when I logged on this morning

[oak sky]

then sausage reprog then pantheon prog

[glass tulip]

so that was fun

[oak sky]

for tomorrow*

that sucks man

[glass tulip]

nice nice

I mean, was freaky because I logged on and it wasnt on my list but I restored it

[oak sky]

i got fucked on skolex

by my tank

always next time

im still fixing the rotation and stuff anyways

[glass tulip]

we dropped all the way down to 4 melee

made it very nice

[oak sky]

Damn

Wait for what boss

[glass tulip]

skolex

[oak sky]

i dont really think skolex is that bad on melee

but i could see it being a bit easier with less if some are struggling

[kindred rapids]

on our skollex kill today, melee spawned pools covering literally the entire back of the boss

I had to pop evasion and attack from the front

still eventually died at like 2%

[strange python]

Mark 1 player stack left side. Get ciuntdown wa and go right left right left. Works wonders

Countdown

[kindred rapids]

yeah we're too braindead for that

we just run around frantically getting hit by swirlies until we kill the boss

[strange python]

Lul. Yolo all the way.

[kindred rapids]

still got rank 14 tho so

out of a whopping 345 sin parses

[strange python]

Thats nice. So cant have been hit with many ZZZ

[kindred rapids]

think I got hit by 2, which is above average our melee team 😂

[strange python]

😀

Can be cloakd off

[kindred rapids]

wtf really

[strange python]

Y

[kindred rapids]

well that makes me even dumber

been inting this whole time

actually I was only hit once

[strange python]

Can even precloak it if you get f. In burst window

[kindred rapids]

ooh that prevents pool?

[strange python]

Well ish. Gives you 5 sek to get out of it

With no stacks

[balmy condor]

It you cloak before the swirl comes out you don’t get stacks but you will spawn a puddle

[kindred rapids]

ah

[strange python]

Y well Said

[balmy condor]

Def shouldn’t do that

Just save it for when you get hit

[strange python]

Y

[slow marsh]

Pp poo poo check

[wicked mist]

When the assassin buffs coming

[balmy condor]

we just got the HUGE 30% fok buff

wdym

[slow marsh]

Massive buff honestly

[tranquil haven]

Can you put unity on a ring and duskwalkers on a ring?

[gusty mirage]

no

the legendary rings are unique equipped

[tranquil haven]

Alright thanks

Gotta rethink my unity spot

[gusty mirage]

fwiw I made mine on bracers

cuz all the bracers from raid kinda suck

[solid venture]

Bracers gang

[tranquil haven]

Waiting to get my 4p I think

[gusty mirage]

ye I wouldn't bother making dusk until then

maybe leggo prices go down even further now that essentias are like 4-5k depending on server

[solid venture]

Can't wait to loot another socket from vault

[hollow river]

278 m+ gear to Catalyst into tier > a socket

I’ve already got full 278 pieces to Catalyst

[vestal wren]

we slap now in aoe

[balmy condor]

A whole 1% harder

[versed mica]

asking bc I can't find this anywhere, but in M+/cleave with 4pc, how do you manage it when you have multiple targets?
Do you just ignore other bleeds falling off and 100% focus on ven target?

[balmy condor]

You can

[versed mica]

I mean yeah

but will I lose that phat deepeeeess

[balmy condor]

Not really

You would just be rupturing other mobs

[slow marsh]

It just balances out pretty much

Kinda dumb but it is what it is

[versed mica]

thats why I'm asking, wasn't sure if focusing on ven target would be more dps than spreading rupture

at least there will be CT up on the other targets I suppose

[slow marsh]

I would say just make sure you focus vend target in shiv and then spread rups but that doesn't matter either anymore so yeah just do whatever

[versed mica]

bruh

I wanna know tho lol

it's time to become a theorycrafter overnight to find out

[slow marsh]

Yeah I know but what I'm saying is that it doesn't matter either way

You can't really do both

[versed mica]

I will or die trying

[slow marsh]

Ideally you would maintain bleeds on vend and spread what you can without dropping on vend target but

And it also depends on pull size, ttk, prio etc

[versed mica]

iirc it used to be that in ST situations when we have CT, we keep CT dot up over casting an envenom unless you are in a shiv window

has that changed at all with 2 and 4 pc?

[slow marsh]

Yes

Always keep CT up

[balmy condor]

You would CT first prio for the aoe

And then maintain on the vend target

[versed mica]

I'm talking about ST, but I think the answer is the same

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

[balmy condor]

I’m still on this

In aoe it’s CT -> envenom for snd -> vend target -> other bleeds

In single target it’s the same thing

Except CT is lower

[versed mica]

gotchya, I will cast CT over envenoms during shiv window

thanks for the help guys, trying to figure all this stuff out

oh thats the one thing I forgot to ask

for 4pc, you let vendetta bleeds run out then refresh, and then refresh the bleeds before ven runs out to snapshot right?

Or is there a weird pandemic window we want to refresh ven bleeds at

[balmy condor]

Pandemic is half the normal in vend

[versed mica]

So we wanna refresh ven bleeds and not let them fall off?

whew, sin high tpm, thoughts per minute

[balmy condor]

Yep

[oak sky]

high wpm words

per minute in RH during pulls

[slow marsh]

Esp when you're dead the whole time

[bleak sky]

dying in raid to shitpost on RH is the real endgame

[oak sky]

ive done it

i died on rive

because i was alt tabbing to shitpost

[slow marsh]

Is that what happened on the worm too

[oak sky]

nah

tank died

lost aggro

came back and then i ended up with aggro for no reasaon

[slow marsh]

You hate to see it

I was gonna meme you more but I died on two fights last week so I get it

[oak sky]

skolex wasnt my fault

it happens

whatever log i got on xymox was all me

i basically need to get more value on my vendettas

[slow marsh]

Did you hit evasion tho

[oak sky]

well

[slow marsh]

Exactly

[oak sky]

since i wasnt expecting to randomly have aggro

no

actually

it wasnt even aggro

[slow marsh]

So I died the same exact way on anduin last week

[oak sky]

it was just the tank mechanic

[slow marsh]

But didn't evasion

Still my fault kinda

Cuz I didn't do everything I could

[oak sky]

it was definitely not my fault its literally just the tank mech

idk if you even can evasion it honestly

[slow marsh]

I get what you mean I'm just saying we have to do everything we can out here

[oak sky]

uh

any other situation

sure

but there

no

[quaint sequoia]

Are blizz for real? The post about changing unlock date of catalyst was a fucking april fools?

[gusty mirage]

well seeing as they announced that it'll open on April 12th forever ago

yes

[quaint sequoia]

Why the fuck post it separately from the obvious 9.4 post

[drowsy parcel]

it wasnt an official post

[slow marsh]

You have been what we like to call- baited

[balmy condor]

To make you mad for our entertainment

[quaint sequoia]

And I thought they had actually listened to feedback

[drowsy parcel]

bruh

dont believe everything on the internet

[balmy condor]

Girls don’t poop

[drowsy parcel]

yes they do but its rainbows and butterflies

[balmy condor]

Oh that makes sense

[slow marsh]

False

[quaint sequoia]

It was a fucking bluepost, would never think they would prank us about that tbh

[slow marsh]

Link it

[balmy condor]

Aren’t all April fools posts blue posts

[marble hemlock]

You do realize that Blizzard aren't the only ones who are allowed to write text in a blue color?

[drowsy parcel]

someone screenshotted something that looked like a blue post

[balmy condor]

Also does the catalyst even matter that much

[marble hemlock]

Not when it releases, no

Wouldve mattered 2 weeks ago.

[balmy condor]

It’s just ilvl tier upgrades

Who gives a fuck

[slow marsh]

But my minmax

[warm drift]

With my luck i get 4p with the catalyst

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/IT6I6/7b4bba5d50.png

It's not like these are hard to make yeah

[gusty mirage]

y'all are getting 278 pieces to upgrade????

[balmy condor]

No

Would be cool though

[gusty mirage]

yeah I'd like some loot

[balmy condor]

I could upgrade like a 272 with a 278

Maybe

[gusty mirage]

from actual boss kills

[quaint sequoia]

the system should have been out first mythic week so the changed would make sense -.-

[gusty mirage]

but they announced april 12th at the launch of the patch

why would they just randomly change it conveniently around April 1st?

[balmy condor]

Because cope and seethe and cry about it

[marble hemlock]

Because they listened to player feedback about it being too late.

But we all know that aint happening

Dunno how people got fooled by that

[gusty mirage]

I got fooled by the 30% buff to fan of knives

[marble hemlock]

Some things are just too outlandish to believe

[soft merlin]

guys, 278 sigil or 278 shoulders with avoidence for upgrade to tier set?

the m+ avoidence is huge

cant decide

[slow marsh]

Socket for sure

[subtle tundra]

You will want 285 shoulders

[gusty mirage]

depends, do you think your guild will eventually kill mythic lords?

[soft merlin]

we're on the crab, so prob will happen

[slow marsh]

Will you eventually kill mythic lords

[soft merlin]

but ye, 285 shoulders ithe play prob

[gusty mirage]

yeah then I'd say fuck the shoulders

[soft merlin]

true

Varas coming up big

[gusty mirage]

no amount of avoidance will make the ilvl dif worth it

[marble hemlock]

Get trinket so you can trade trinkets, unless you already have a 278 trinket

[slow marsh]

Yeah I'd go for the trinket for sure or the socket

Or maybe even a nice flayed wing

[gusty mirage]

I can't wait to loot a 278 elegy

so I can delete my rogue

[soft merlin]

[solid venture]

Will tertiary stats be transferred over to tier set item with the creation catalyst?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

also if you upgrade a m+ or pvp piece, it keeps the upgrade system in place

[solid venture]

[slow marsh]

Yeah so you can like upgrade to 272 or something if you want

[soft merlin]

how will it work? u can craft 1 item 1st week, then 2, 2nd week?

[gusty mirage]

ye

and eventually the cooldown gets "shorter"

but they never said how

[slow marsh]

They said it would have a week cool down to start and maybe get shorter but idk they never specified exactly how

[gusty mirage]

is there an echo in here?

[slow marsh]

Is Perfecto in here ? Nice

[balmy condor]

He is!

[bleak sky]

you're not perfecto but you're perfect

hmu

[slow marsh]

Dang so that's how it's done huh

[quaint sequoia]

Since they have started to listen to feedback about other stuff I just thought they had about this too

[junior pulsar]

If u had 2 make one leggo for sin in m+ to partner with unity what would that be

[soft merlin]

imagine getting bis items on alt in vault every week

and getting shit on rogue every week

feelsgood

[marble hemlock]

They don't.

[slow marsh]

Tiny toxic blade

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

There's a vast difference between "listening to feedback" and "changing smth 6months after people first complained about it and pretend that youve heard that feedback loud and clear despite having had the chance to act on said feedback months ago already but choosing not to"

[balmy condor]

They have?

By doing what

Demo lock nerfs?

[gusty mirage]

it's a good thing they buffed destro lock

[iron orchid]

assa AoE buffs

[gusty mirage]

they needed that

they almost couldn't do 20k overall

[marble hemlock]

Yeah that <1% buff really helped

[slow marsh]

They should probably buff destro again tbh

Needs help

[gusty mirage]

yeah they need to sweat a bit to break 20k overall

and that'd be a shame

[balmy condor]

Don’t you have other games to play like baguette baking simulator or something

[subtle tundra]

You guys are toxic

[iron orchid]

[gusty mirage]

my fok is above my 272 phial now

huge

[iron orchid]

that's pog

[slow marsh]

Wow are you using hidden blades?

[gusty mirage]

still generating 1-2cp

huge

[slow marsh]

And poisoned katar

[iron orchid]

I'm bringing up pain

that's my game

[gusty mirage]

no, I just have to press fok more to get 4-5cp @slow marsh

[subtle tundra]

Nf korayin so I generate big cp

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

You can’t even spell it right

[slow marsh]

Korayn for lihuvium kinda nice

[subtle tundra]

Phone autocorrect you baboon

[balmy condor]

Yeah of course

My bad

I forgot Korayin is a word

That your phone corrects to

[slow marsh]

Too bad I won't be able to get the kill for it on thurs

Rip top sin logs

[subtle tundra]

Since I have misspelled it before

It autocorrects

[balmy condor]

[solid venture]

[balmy condor]

Get a new phone?

[subtle tundra]

Ok

[iron orchid]

every problem has a solution

[solid venture]

Just get a new phone

[gusty mirage]

hope you've been well my friend

[iron orchid]

no i'm not well

[slow marsh]

Just get a new language with a different keyboard and new autocorrect

[iron orchid]

i still only have 2p

[balmy condor]

Idk why you poories always act like it’s so difficult to just replace everything you own every 8-10 months

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

Not everyone can trick people into giving them $5 a month to buy hichews and skittles

[gusty mirage]

did someone say hichew and skittles?

[balmy condor]

Skill diff get ratio’d

[slow marsh]

Tru

[iron orchid]

that's the power of the anime girl emotes

marketing genius

[iron orchid]

[manic igloo]

hmm so 278 flayed wing or my first tier piece thats only 252

[balmy condor]

Tier

Flayedwing is terrible

[manic igloo]

thats nice and easy then 😛

[balmy condor]

It’s in competition for worst trinket tbh

Even fucking anima battery is better now

[slow marsh]

Flayed wing bis trinket wut

Its a poison how is it bad for poison spec

[solid venture]

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

go to sleep, or I'll put you to sleep

[slow marsh]

Ok I'm going to sleep now actually

I have a playoff game later I should've been asleep 3 hours ago

[bleak sky]

it's wakey wakey time

not sleepy sleepy time

[slow marsh]

I'll have to keep that second option in mind for the future tbh

[balmy condor]

Damn you like a basketball player or something

[slow marsh]

When I'm not trolling RH

[balmy condor]

You play for the pistons or something?

They look like an amateur team

[slow marsh]

No I play for nd

[gusty mirage]

neez duts?

[balmy condor]

North Dakota deez nutsers

My favorite team

[slow marsh]

You two are my favorite team

[solid venture]

Team Cho Gun is bis tbh

[slow marsh]

Don't tell quake

But it's only because he's already taken taken

[limber lion]

George is bis

[oak sky]

george

[strange python]

is NF after 4set only better if we stay on flower patch for its whole duration?

[marble hemlock]

Check pins, venthyr > fae with all the gear.

[strange python]

all the gear ? do you mean 4set

[oak sky]

like the more gear you get in general the better venth is

[strange python]

k thanks, am gona stick to venth in that case. still 250 but it will only get better

[vestal wren]

!fuu you can look at a comparison with optimized gear in my spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[whole wadi]

wow a full 1% buff to slice. amazing

[versed mica]

tfw you have your pick between a 278 flayedwing or a 278 crit haste ring, and flayedwing is simming as the high upgrade because auto attack ring with socket from last season still just that good

flayedwing is only a .2% upgrade in ST, should I just get coins? lmfao

[balmy condor]

Only like 16 or 17% to go

[balmy condor]

Is your other ring already that good that a 278 crit haste doesn’t replace

[versed mica]

Well yeah, my other ring is my duskwalker

dungeon slice sim has flayedwing as a 2.6% upgrade, the crit haste ring is a 2.4% upgrade

does flayedwing sim high in dungslice bc of target swapping?

[limber lion]

it doesn't sim high

I guess your other trinkets are super duper dogwater

it's super shit

[balmy condor]

Yeah checks out I thought we were in sub

[versed mica]

We live in a sub world

[zinc frost]

Sounds like a socket kinda vault

[versed mica]

I'm wondering the same thing, although the ring is technically a solid upgrade for sin dslice

but next week is legion timewalking and I'll be farming that stupid ring again anyway

might as well have a socket ready for it

[balmy condor]

[versed mica]

guess I can't complain, got 278 tier in my vault last week

[vestal wren]

just wait till people start to know the secret venthyr mfd tech

[versed mica]

Quick, dm me the secret tech and delete your comment, they can't know

[frosty cedar]

they wont know if they never check pins

[zinc frost]

It’s okay no one really checks pins anyways

[solid venture]

Back to votw / cos jail

[vestal wren]

thats why we have the faq, people do check that, right?

[frosty cedar]

[empty hinge]

When is the next legion tw

[solid venture]

Next week

Hopefully it'll last longer than a week

[thin imp]

!external

[vestal wren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[thin imp]

how was the command to simulate the PI?

[vestal wren]

^ external sims in my spreadsheet

external_buffs.power_infusion="1/121/241"

you might add +5 to each of it for venthyr

[potent topaz]

Has something changed with Raidbots? Before today's reset CT and PB were quite close in dps (roughly 200dps in ST more for PB) and now PB ist 1,5K dps ahead??

[thin imp]

Thanks a lot sir 🙂

[vestal wren]

nothing that would lead to a dps loss

[potent topaz]

strange, just ran everything like yesterday and I have that huge gap now.

[vestal wren]

can you link the simulations?

[potent topaz]

yep, just a sec

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8xPZnfuCTYVodmEuV689XY

[subtle tundra]

does assa and sub use tier set helmet in their bis profiles? i got socket from vault so i want to socket something ill wear all the time

[hollow bridge]

What is the easiest covenant and way to play sin, i dont need to be BIS dps, i just want something that is okay for me to be boomer slow

Actually is NF the pick over venthyr in terms of simplicity?

[subtle tundra]

nf

but vendettas will always be high action with 4pc

[potent topaz]

I think so

[subtle tundra]

i also have spires neck 278 but its not bis for assa afaik

[hollow bridge]

okay so if I go NF with 2 set only atm that's fine in terms of speed of play? Is vendetta similar to high haste build in 8.3 with corruption?

[subtle tundra]

idk didnt play that

you are always capped on energy in vendetta

so probably

[hollow bridge]

poggers, very similar

so u are GCD locked in vendetta yeah?

that's hot

[subtle tundra]

with 4pc

[hollow bridge]

almost GCD with high haste in 8.3 bit of snapshotting

nothign too complex

[subtle tundra]

and vendetta will be 50-55 sec cd with duskwalker

[hollow bridge]

yeah cool

[potent topaz]

I'd say tier helmet is a safe spot for socket and Unity will end in whatever slot is the most suitable than. Currently run mine on head since I miss the tier helmet

[limber lion]

No

Legs

[subtle tundra]

then wtf do i socket

[limber lion]

just kidding

we do use tier set helm

go for it

if you have a 278 helm

[subtle tundra]

ye i got that

[limber lion]

yeh

do it

[subtle tundra]

pogging

well, tbf i foresee a lot of sockets

not a lot of upgrades left already

also, the helm is INDESTRUCTABLE pogging

[serene wyvern]

heya....just wondering...what are the best spots for unity considering i have 5 set?

[vestal wren]

nice

[limber lion]

Belt or Wrists

[serene wyvern]

for both sub and assa

[limber lion]

Wrists is a safe bet all things considered

[rotund oak]

First srs theotar 3p CT testing if it doesnt work i blame u and koji for inventing the meta

😅

[limber lion]

It's for the 4p though, it won't do much for 3p

[rotund oak]

(because i clearly never do mistakes)

it still sims higher than nadja for 3p

[limber lion]

I mean probably still the best choice for 3p as well

but yeh

[rotund oak]

ye it is

[limber lion]

Did you sim Night Fae?

Dreamweaver

[rotund oak]

yeah its 164dps less

[limber lion]

ripperino

[rotund oak]

u will just guide me to kick some @ss until im comfortable to smack some sub metaslaves

then we will dirnk together the wine of victory with chicks

fukin' t9 autocorrect

makes me cringe

[winter gale]

My current best sim is MfD/Poison bomb as Venthyr (2piece). When to apply MfD in opener?

[solid venture]

After your first envenom in vanish window probably

So vanish mut env mfd env

[winter gale]

KK

[normal mist]

I'm a lucky bastard, 2nd week in a row with 278 dagger in the vault. Also 278 gloves.
Having both weapons is better than having 278 tier gloves (in some weeks with catalyst) right?

[thin trout]

Nice man im still using 252 daggers lol

[normal mist]

Still wondering if gloves or weapon 278, I'm bad at choosing

[sonic schooner]

Isnt it something like Flag > Rupture > mfd > CT > vendetta blablabla

At least with 4p

[limber lion]

Yes

[azure bronze]

Catalyst unlocks next week so best sim 278 tier gloves vs offhand dagger

[normal mist]

Yeah but most likely will craft Chest or shoulders next week for 4/4

[hollow river]

Sim it

2 daggers is pretty big as long as those gloves won’t give you 4p

But sim knows best

[normal mist]

They wont

Got head 252, gloves 265 and pants 252 tier

And 278+272 daggers

[hollow river]

Yeah would definitely just sim and see which is the bigger upgrade

[normal mist]

Will later when I get home :3

[quaint sequoia]

with 2 set what cov is best?

[solid venture]

Venthyr for ST, necro aoe/cleave probably but

[wooden aurora]

When you have a bleed falling off during shiv window is it priority to refresh it over fitting envenoms in?

[ripe gulch]

which should i pick

both my trinkets are garbage

but thats a mythic tier piece

[normal mist]

I'd say gloves bcs 265 is actually low even for a trinket

As you can farm up to 272 (, with upgrades)

[manic igloo]

if i only got 2 set would zold be the go to for dungeons?

[bleak sky]

envenoms don't matter

[noble tree]

Pick anything after u kill raid boss

[bleak sky]

you hit envenoms to keep snd up

[noble tree]

Because trinket may drop

[ebon notch]

Your name is my details name lmao

[noble tree]

[wooden aurora]

word ty

[brazen zodiac]

good morning!

[normal mist]

Morning

Altought its 14:08 for me

[gloomy fern]

assa rogue so good man

[normal mist]

I need you in my guild

I keep getting roasted

For playing assa

[gloomy fern]

why would u want to get benched

[normal mist]

I'm their best dps

[gloomy fern]

not a feat to be the best among vaughns

[normal mist]

Thing is, I'm roasted but they aren't doing better than me, it's actually weird :(

[bleak sky]

Roast them harder

Do you have a demo in your group?

[normal mist]

Some of them don't even deserve that

Nop, our lock plays destro

RL

[bleak sky]

They have the opportunity to play the most broken spec in the game and aren't doing it

[normal mist]

I mean we aren't min maxing to extreme, but I do min max my assa spec bcs I enjoy it

Could i be playing sub? Yeah,
Would i enjoy it? No

[gloomy fern]

oh ur actually a normal raider, sorry for being rude to a newb

[normal mist]

Legit normal raider, we will start hc clear tomorrow xD

[gloomy fern]

[normal mist]

I'm 7/11hc with pugs rn

My guild takes things... slowly

[drowsy parcel]

[vestal wren]

true

assassination is quite good

[bleak sky]

wait @gloomy fern you actually play wow?

[gloomy fern]

no i just make fun of ppl who do

[fallen ginkgo]

any explanations why Sub is better / has more parses on Mythic Pantheon than assa? Kinda thought Ass with Execute leggo is like BiS there

[gloomy fern]

your thought process is wrong

is that good enough of an explanation

[fallen ginkgo]

no, pls enlighten me! what am im approaching wrong

[vestal wren]

subtlety is used to solo the adds

[fallen ginkgo]

Ohhh okay, yea i got ranged cucks for that in my guild

[subtle tundra]

i was also used to solo adds as assa

[indigo mulch]

Solo the adds? O.o

You just pop everything on it? Or did i miss something?

[foggy flint]

Spamming 2 buttons is also easier than bleed maintenance on 4 bosses + mechanics

[subtle tundra]

you do know

that we got buffed

on pantheon, right?

the fok dmg will for sure affect the logs now.

[vestal wren]

yes, best spec in the game now

the ~1% damage gain is insane

[bleak sky]

fok on pantheon 4 targets -> 1 cp -> fok again -> 2cp -> uninstall

[strange silo]

Hey with 4p nf we still wanna play 2222221 right?

[gloomy fern]

4-4-2 is the most common starting formation

[fading mason]

is there an channel for Weak aura Help?

[bleak sky]

like general weak aura help? Idk probably any channel

[fading mason]

i wanna add a glow effect to my rupute icon thats glows when it gets to pandemic how do i do that

[gloomy fern]

u download an existing WA and steal it

[spice spire]

!wa