assassination

[hollow escarp]

did they increase the cast?

[gusty mirage]

Ye

[subtle tundra]

1.25

[rotund oak]

u press blind and ks

[subtle tundra]

idk if this is how it always was

[rotund oak]

[gusty mirage]

It was 1s before

[nova flax]

The cast is also pretty inconsistent

[subtle tundra]

you only have to stop it once/mob

[nova flax]

Sometimes itll come quickly other times theyll wait like 15 seconds

[subtle tundra]

since they have low hp and at 15% they run

[bleak sky]

YEP

hate it

[subtle tundra]

i never stop the same twice cause it doesnt get the cast

[nova flax]

Personally i prefer to just put wound poison on and not worry about stopping it

[gusty mirage]

Tazavesh is actually a garbage dungeon

Whoever designed it deserves to be ridiculed

[bleak sky]

gambit is fine I guess

[hollow escarp]

I don't mind it but it has too many annoying mechanics

[nova flax]

Tazavesh is baller wdym

[gusty mirage]

The 4 sentry dudes before first boss. Very cool trash

[hollow escarp]

console, jazz event'

vendor rp

[nova flax]

Yeah thats what the Wo relic is for

[marble hemlock]

tazavesh is the perfect example of why not every trashmob needs to have 2 abilities, and why sometimes gimmicky bosses should be left for worldquests and not actual dungeons

[hollow escarp]

although I liked that In CoS

[gaunt halo]

Tazavesh feels like it was never intended for m+. Oh wait, because it wasn't

[spice spire]

I love RP in dungeons

So much 🙂

[bleak sky]

MakeitRP

dancing in the finest taverns in goldshire

[gusty mirage]

You’d think after 2 expacs of turning the mega dungeons into keys they’d learn how to design them for m+

[spice spire]

Dancing? Buddy I wish

[hollow escarp]

also save the date, signet first key

[marble hemlock]

i mean

[gaunt halo]

I miss getting new normal dungeons during an expansion

[marble hemlock]

karazhan worked fine

for m+

[vestal wren]

upper tazavesh (gambit) is not that bad

only lower (streets)

[marble hemlock]

would be nice if the fishdick cast was a bit slower

[gusty mirage]

We’ll see if the nerfs make it less miserable

[marble hemlock]

*fishstick

[subtle tundra]

i just hate dungeons that dont have any "just dps" pulls

[gusty mirage]

Nah you got it right the first time

[spice spire]

[vestal wren]

true, fishstick is quite often

[zinc frost]

Really nice guys once you get to know them

[gusty mirage]

Also them being able to swim to the Indian Ocean and cast fish stick is toxic

[hollow escarp]

had a pug tank with an interesting route in Gambit this week. Kill wo, skip to boss, finish dungeon and then come back and kill murlocs until count is complete

[gusty mirage]

Bro why is everyone stealing my gambooty route

Wtf

[bleak sky]

oxi, MDT Connoisseur

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[gusty mirage]

You get to kill murlocs for the last 10 minutes of the dungeon

It’s fun

We’re having fun

[bleak sky]

mass aoe is always fun

[hollow escarp]

yeah, nothing can really go wrong

a murloc ninja pulled 2 more packs?

bring them in

[gusty mirage]

Wo to first boss, shroud trash to the 2nd boss room, clear that. Clear everything in front of third boss. Kill murlocs. Win

[bleak sky]

I like this

[clever kindle]

yeah but I did get a sweet mount on my first run of it ever

[bleak sky]

I want to run this

[hollow escarp]

we killed 3rd boss before murlocs

[clever kindle]

1 run 1 cartel master shit

[vestal wren]

but this would mean you need to kill wo

[gusty mirage]

I’ll link you the gambooty next time we’re online @bleak sky

[clever kindle]

wo is op

[marble hemlock]

when do you proc reaping

[gusty mirage]

I miss reaping

[alpine latch]

That's what we've been doing since our like 2nd run ...

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

so Palmer hacked oxi and stole his route

got it

[alpine latch]

shhhh

I gotta get good somehow

[frigid kestrel]

Ye that Gambit route makes it free. Kill three bosses, and then nothing but a AOE party.

[hollow river]

Almost timed 20 gambino last night

My first attempt at a 20 ever

Sub absolutely blasts the murloc area

[bleak sky]

do you have cache, trickz?

[subtle tundra]

you will reconsider what blast means when you play with some real aoe specs

[slim wagon]

met a tank that did next level, kill wo, go to boss, invi pot back kill murlocks, kill new wo skip the 4 guys and river pack and go for the 3 packs in front of 2nd boss with hero timer almost ready

[gusty mirage]

Any survival hunters in chat?

[subtle tundra]

exactly

[bleak sky]

inv pot back

[slim wagon]

and get another wo for bigger skip xD

[gusty mirage]

I love doing 30k dps and being 4th on dps

[bleak sky]

[gusty mirage]

Behind the survival hunter, warlock, and the guardian Druid

Very cool

[bleak sky]

dangerously close to the shaman oxi

[hollow river]

Yeah

[bleak sky]

[hollow river]

Cache and earthbreakers

[gusty mirage]

My boys gaming

[bleak sky]

they grow up so fast

[hollow river]

I was doing like 60k dps

[bleak sky]

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Mans still nyaning tho

[bleak sky]

that's just his true self ok

[hollow river]

Idk who changed my name

[gusty mirage]

I’m kinda torn between wanting some mythic tier from my vault or a mythic xymox trinket

[hollow river]

Cba changing it

[bleak sky]

you want the cache oxi

you want to pad

embrace the pad

[hollow river]

Bro we downed xymox last week

[gusty mirage]

Only thing keeping me afloat

If axe is up I’m black powdering

[subtle tundra]

not saying that cache is broken, but i have done 100k dps burst as sub

[gusty mirage]

Prio deez

[bleak sky]

just use wand to prio

[hollow river]

[bleak sky]

good trinket usage

[hollow river]

I actually used wand in an SD last night

We ended up with a Vy and it needed to die like right then

[gusty mirage]

Ye I mean if it saves a pull it’s a good use

[hollow river]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

I’ve used wand to kill something that needed to be dead too

Fat 74k crit too

[hollow river]

Sub is so good in SD

[bleak sky]

ye

[hollow river]

Pretty insane

[bleak sky]

sd was the dungeon I realized I couldn't play sin anymore last season

[dry copper]

the only dungeon sub feels only meh in is TOP. Even then it's good.

[hollow river]

Yeah my least fav dungeons are ToP and Spires

[umbral rapids]

I tried it yesterday it was a lot better than i thought

[subtle tundra]

mythic one has done 100k for me 🙂

just a small crit what can i say ;3

[gusty mirage]

I def take a mythic cache if it pops up then

Trinkets actually insane

[subtle tundra]

it was with obedience vers though

[vestal wren]

you can have my lfr one

[hollow river]

I’ve had heroic cache do over 100k

With wand crit

[vestal wren]

ill trade it for a mythic tier piece

[hollow river]

I have like 4 278 dungeon pieces

To catalyst

[spice spire]

I have one

[umbral rapids]

How good is sin at solo’ing an add on pantheon

Mythic

It sounds not great to me but I can’t tell

[bleak sky]

something tells me it's not great

[umbral rapids]

Yeah me too but could be wrong

[vestal wren]

probably better to just run sub

[umbral rapids]

Probably.

[hollow river]

Yeah sub def better at it

[umbral rapids]

Well yeah obviously. I just can’t tell if sin is actually bad at it or okay-ish

[hollow escarp]

playing assa in keys sucks

[limber lion]

that's never happened

filthy external havers smh

[hollow escarp]

I just wanted to do a chill 15 on assa

and I join a demonic group

with nathria trinkets

[limber lion]

monkas

[hollow escarp]

[rotund oak]

😂 😂

[thorn fjord]

another week another Tuesday

Good luck today everyone

[spice spire]

Best of luck mister dieslow

Trinket today

[thorn fjord]

hoping for some gnarly trinkets too

[bleak sky]

ez 278 unbound changeling

[spice spire]

Mage mains

Disgusting

[bleak sky]

[pale slate]

Eww casters

[spice spire]

What spec mister minalba, I did forget to ask

[bleak sky]

the cold pew pew one

but I want to play the fire pew pew one in raid

[strange python]

How long until the ranged brain rot takes over and makes him start saying things like "melee is actually the easy role and ranged is hard"

[thorn fjord]

Frost Mage is so nice right now... been tempted to play mine

[bleak sky]

ackchually melee have fewer mechanics to deal with

[spice spire]

I’ll take melee brain over warrior brain any day

I mean ranged brain

[bleak sky]

[spice spire]

Warrior brain is just built diff

But worse

You click the class and instant lose 75 IQ

[echo geyser]

vault in 30min?

[bleak sky]

don't count to 3
charge
die

[echo geyser]

[bleak sky]

YES SIR RAMZAM

[spice spire]

AMEN

[thorn fjord]

War brain is a vibe

[strange python]

You have to worry about cast times and sometimes mechanics make you move.

[spice spire]

Wait is ramzam still a thing?

I’ve been slacking on the streams, my apologies

[echo geyser]

yeah but hes kinda lacking rn 262

[spice spire]

Damn

[bleak sky]

ranged does seem hella cozy in raid

[spice spire]

4p?

[echo geyser]

havent done keys to farm gear

[bleak sky]

and so far I haven't worried about a single frontal

or anything

[echo geyser]

yeah do have 4p, but still need shoulders so i can run another lego

[strange python]

But on halondrus sometimes you have to pick up a bomb and put it down again

[spice spire]

Ahhhh yeah. The fact that it’s hands and legs is pretty

[strange python]

And that's much harder than motes during p3

[echo geyser]

actually my rogue missing shoulder to enable boe legs too

i better get it this reset

[gusty mirage]

True they have to stop casting sometimes to pick it up

[bleak sky]

have you acquired avoidance boe legs already ram?

[gusty mirage]

Rough life out there for the ranged

[echo geyser]

yeah found it on a diff server

750k

[bleak sky]

[spice spire]

[bleak sky]

cheap

[thorn fjord]

our GM wants us to add speed to all gear over avoidance 😦

[spice spire]

ZAMN

[echo geyser]

the question is if u can make boes into tier

[bleak sky]

avoidance tier

coom

[strange python]

We're three nights into halondrus and we have maybe 3 wipes to motes compared to 100 for bombs. Raid leader always says "melee you just have to play better, your mechanics on this fight aren't challenging and it's ranged that have to learn this fight."

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

ranged just chillin

[echo geyser]

use cloak speed enchant and 5% movespeed gem

[bleak sky]

vibing

[echo geyser]

[bleak sky]

speed

[spice spire]

Hol up

[strange python]

Yeah bro. Melee is easy on halondrus and ranged is hard

[odd heath]

Lol

[gusty mirage]

Melee on every fight is “easy” apparently

[spice spire]

[odd heath]

I'm actually assigned for bombs on halondrus

[bleak sky]

melee players are better players that's why

[odd heath]

As a rogue

[gusty mirage]

Skolex “just move out of the swirlies”

[spice spire]

Ranged just ????

Stand there?

[bleak sky]

ranged on xymox: just stand here

[odd heath]

Bombs and motes p3 will be fun...

[thorn fjord]

lol

[gusty mirage]

Sometimes they have to rotate who’s soaking stacks

Cmon now

[strange python]

I'm actually amazed that the prominent opinion is that melee players are worse/dumber

[thorn fjord]

TBH skollex was alot harder until i got linked the WA that yells at you to move

[gusty mirage]

It’s because we’re more likely to die to mechanics

[thorn fjord]

then it was ezpz

[strange python]

Playing warlock was a fucking joke

[gusty mirage]

Because they’re all melee mechanics

[thorn fjord]

joke of a mythic fight

[strange python]

Right because ranged don't have mechanics

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I set up a bigwigs timer and I pre move

And haven’t gotten hit by it since

[thorn fjord]

Yeah its a godsend

[languid field]

Servers up

[gusty mirage]

But the visual to landing timeframe is tight af if you don’t know the timings

[strange python]

No vault for 20

[spice spire]

I played lock on one right in CN and said

Nah this ain’t for me

Mfers just stand there fasting

[thorn fjord]

I'd play lock if i could run Affi on every fight

[strange python]

I will say warlock on SLG and Council were stressful

[gusty mirage]

Affi is fun af

Tbh

[strange python]

But still easier than any melee

[thorn fjord]

it is... always has been

but destro and demo are way too stronk

[bleak sky]

but melee don't have to wait for a cast, it has to be easier

[strange python]

I'd love to see a ranged DPS player try to navigate p3 pantheon

[gusty mirage]

Remember when they made chains a ranged only mechanic on pain? “WTF THIS IS SO UNFAIR”

[bleak sky]

bosses randomly turning and parrying a big skill / hitting you with a weird frontal are not issues

[gusty mirage]

First week of lords of dread being open

The bosses would randomly try to cleave a pet

Hit half the melee

[bleak sky]

good raid testing

[thorn fjord]

lol

[strange python]

Don't forget having to hit painsmith balls at 5 feet but dying if you get to 3 feet and also you move faster so you have to stagger. But then ranged players have to run through a gap and that's hard

[bleak sky]

pressing a defensive to live the axe hit with chains is hard ok

[thorn fjord]

Platforming is hard Stabs CMON

[gusty mirage]

Also what buttons do other classes have where RLs can call “use a personal” every 45s?

Like

I got vial and feint bro

That ain’t saving me

[thorn fjord]

bUt yOu HaVe ClOaK

[strange python]

Just be a hunter. Have a 3 minute defensive CD, but never need it because you're ranged and cast while moving.

Then whine that you're "squishy"

[gusty mirage]

Watched a hunter friend of mine use exhilaration after getting hit by a gloom bolt on lfr pantheon

His health didn’t even move

[thorn fjord]

we have 5 hunters in our Mythic group right now

[gusty mirage]

Talented 2 minute CD btw

[bleak sky]

FIVE hunters

[thorn fjord]

[bleak sky]

[gusty mirage]

Poor hunters

At this point they might as well play craven for survivability

[strange python]

Nexus sx?

They're running 5 hunters 3 boomies 3 mages

Shit is cooked

[thorn fjord]

Yep

lol

[bleak sky]

fellas be raid watching

[strange python]

I have friends in there

Can't understand running more than 2 hunters rn

Or 1 mage

Just stack warlocks hero class

[thorn fjord]

Its what we have to work with

One of our main tanks gquit on us 5 min before raid on Sunday

[gusty mirage]

Fire mage about to come out on top

You heard it here first

[bleak sky]

but then you have to bring as many priests to feed them pis

[strange python]

Good thing holy priest sucks

[gusty mirage]

Wdym holy priest is the strongest healer in the game rn lmao

[bleak sky]

but my devo aura

[gusty mirage]

But think about the cdr on crimson vial

[spice spire]

30s

Pretty huge

Tbh

[bleak sky]

no one would ever run 3 healer priests on a serious raid comp

[gusty mirage]

Tru

Def not 3 warriors either

[slow marsh]

You don't talent into exhil I thought you played hunter

[bleak sky]

nor 5 survivals

[gusty mirage]

What does it matter, that entire tier sucks

[slow marsh]

True

[spice spire]

I enjoy it 🙂

[bleak sky]

you enjoy this talent row?

[strange python]

I mean

Look at rogue talent rows

[spice spire]

Camo buddy

We’re rogues everywhere

[bleak sky]

I love blindly taking alacrity

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Love the potency of alacrity, hate the talent

Buff venom rush

[slow marsh]

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

Dont buff vr wut

[gusty mirage]

Remove exsang from the game while we’re at it

[slow marsh]

Rework that entirely

[spice spire]

Yes man, on exsang

[gusty mirage]

Dogshit talent and dogshit effect

[slow marsh]

True

[thorn fjord]

Remember when Vr used to be bis

[bleak sky]

no

[slow marsh]

It's just a lazily designed mechanic

[thorn fjord]

And running exsang on first raid tier in legion

[slow marsh]

Vr was bis as a forgettable 2p tier

[thorn fjord]

Wasn't it bis the first two tiers of legion?

[slow marsh]

Who cares legion sucked

[thorn fjord]

Wooah there buddy

[gusty mirage]

Woah woah woah now

[thorn fjord]

Legion was rogue heaven

[slow marsh]

I didn't play it so obviously it wasn't good enough

[thorn fjord]

Ah true true

[gusty mirage]

Did you start in SL ice?

[strange python]

I came back for nyalotha :(

[slow marsh]

I played for two seconds in EP

[strange python]

After quitting in mop

[thorn fjord]

EP was the only enjoyable tier for me in bfa

[gusty mirage]

God I’m so sorry

[slow marsh]

AP grind killed it for me

Ye

[gusty mirage]

SL is your first all in wow experience

[strange python]

8.3 was great

[slow marsh]

No

[strange python]

Corruption vendor

[slow marsh]

I am a boomer

[thorn fjord]

Legion the glory days now

[gusty mirage]

I loved EP

[slow marsh]

Quit in firelands

[gusty mirage]

Essences were sick

[strange python]

Mop best xpac

[gusty mirage]

Just miserable for alts

[strange python]

Throne and siege too good

[gusty mirage]

I missed mop

[bleak sky]

I had this much fun in BfA before quitting

[gusty mirage]

I leveled to 85 in Cata and never played again until end of legion

[strange python]

You missed the best and second best raids ever then

[gusty mirage]

I heard class balance was at its best

Reforging existed

[strange python]

Throne of thunder was on another level

[gusty mirage]

Pvp was fun af

[strange python]

Yeah

Snapshotting was amazing

[gusty mirage]

Wtb mop classic pls

[slow marsh]

I'm ngl I miss reforging so bad

[thorn fjord]

I didn't play mop

[strange python]

When you finished a fight you spent your time in logs looking for how you could have optimized procs and played odds better during fights

Now it's just "did I press my cooldowns as much as I could"

[fierce ingot]

but reforging made people have to sim every combination on their gear to find out what was best

[slow marsh]

Like they do now you mean

[gusty mirage]

I don’t get gear to have to sim

So

[strange python]

I have 4 pieces of mythic tier >_>

And fifth is heroic

And only one was a drop

[gusty mirage]

I’ve gotten 2 pieces of tier drops, both normal

One I traded to a warrior so he could get 4pc

Fun game

[strange python]

Tragic

[slow marsh]

Well after my city league playoff are over next week I'm wiping the floor with everyone and everything

[gusty mirage]

Then one run I get elegy and can’t trade it and then I get xymox trinket

[strange python]

It's okay I'm stuck playing sub with 4set

Which blows

[strange python]

Wasn't someone saying to run iqd over it?

[gusty mirage]

Idk I vendored it

Lmao

[slow marsh]

Rip

[gusty mirage]

That trinket sucks

[slow marsh]

Elegy is pretty bad

[gusty mirage]

I’d rather use a so’leahs

[slow marsh]

Ptr ruined it

It was supposed to be the chosen one

[strange python]

O I meant iqd over arti

[slow marsh]

Iqd is a farm trink

[bleak sky]

my 252 IQD sims higher than heroic earthquake trinket

[slow marsh]

No it doesnt

You play sub

[bleak sky]

I don't wanna play sub anymore Iceblades

get me out

[strange python]

Earthquake trinket is TRASH

So is sub

Fuck sub 4set

Fuck halondrus trinket

[slow marsh]

I mean fuck sub but also sub fucks in m+

[strange python]

I'd rather play kyrian sin than do keys at all.

[slow marsh]

Don't worry they buffed fan by 30% surely sin is good again

[bleak sky]

[karmic crystal]

Sin still does a lot of damage

[strange python]

I fucking hate trying to find the bullshit halondrus tremors underneath fire nova totems and wild spirits and unleashed power

[brazen zodiac]

hi minal

272 daggy pog

[karmic crystal]

You can easily play sin on any fight

[strange python]

I mean. Not really.

No raid leader is gonna take you playing sin over sub when your sub sims 1400 more and you're progging halondrus rn

[karmic crystal]

The top halondrus log is meant to be a sin one

[strange python]

Lol

Can't justify playing sin until my two best daggers aren't both edge of night

[bleak sky]

how is that

[strange python]

And I'm not wasting 8 trillion valor

[karmic crystal]

I think ceverion has. 14.?k

[slow marsh]

homie just hitting that too hard is all

[karmic crystal]

Sin log

[thorn fjord]

Sub m+ really does feel amazing

[slow marsh]

No cev got beat by like 4 sub players he said

Trying to say sin is still good is hard copium

[thorn fjord]

But sin raid is always my jam... I havent even finished Kyrian kov yet so I can't really play sub for ST

[limber lion]

Nah

[slow marsh]

It's decent. It's fine. It's not necessarily bench worthy

but

idk

[limber lion]

The #1 Sub rogue log has 5 externals

Both the 2nd and the first one had 80%+ Shadow Blades uptime

which is insane rng

[karmic crystal]

Sin blasts and if you’re too afraid to play it that’s on you

[limber lion]

casinospec

[slow marsh]

casinospec that still does more dam idk

[limber lion]

More damage

if

they get super lucky

[thorn fjord]

Some guys are just rng lords

[limber lion]

they are not consistently doing more damage

[strange python]

I mean I'm 99% sure my kill on halondrus will be 15.2k or higher as sub with no externals.

[thorn fjord]

I'll finish kyrian cov grind eventually LOL

[strange python]

It's been in that range for almost every pull and we usually wipe as we lust and second pot

[limber lion]

But yeh

just play Sub

You have to play Sin really, really well to be able to match their output

And Sub just has a much higher potential throughput with the tierset

No point playing Sin if you play both at a similar level

unless if you really want to that is

which is fine

[strange python]

Second were on farm im going full time sin.

[thorn fjord]

Think it all depends on your own group.. if you're top 3-5 in dps playing sin in your group it shouldn't be an issue right?

[karmic crystal]

Not at all

There will almost never be a circumstance the boss would have died because you were playing sub instead of sin

[slow marsh]

I mean that's my point , to me a spec can't be considered "good" if you have to play your little heart out just to break even with your other dps spec that you can just afk and blast. Also that's pure ST not even including any kind of aoe encountere where sub just dumpsters sin

[strange python]

Sorta

Sub is booty on most of Pantheon and lords

Necro sin can pump

[slow marsh]

Lords is only sin fight

[strange python]

I'd favor sin on pantheon too. And tbh I bet you'll see farm logs push sin higher on sausage and ryg

[karmic crystal]

You can play sin any fight

[strange python]

Plz not this argument again

You can also play feral on any fight, but you'll have to play better than others just to break even, and you'll be fighting a stigma for raid spots.

[visual prairie]

feral druid checking in. what?

[slow marsh]

you can play outlaw on any fight

[limber lion]

Yeah, I don't think it's fair to say that you can just afk and blast as Sub though. You still have to play the spec well to do well on it, but because of the nature of the RNG tier set, it includes a lot of variance where a worse player can outperform a good player just by chance

[slow marsh]

and do just as much damage as sin

[limber lion]

But to more consistently perform, you still gotta play it well, obviously

[visual prairie]

i have a bad case of stigma

[limber lion]

[strange python]

Do you have a stigmatism?

Or maybe it's a ligmatism

[karmic crystal]

Have you ever played feral?

[visual prairie]

all the iladies like my stigma

[limber lion]

Outlaw is super duper trash

[strange python]

If you're about to say "feral isn't hard anymore" like I think you are, you're missing the point.

[limber lion]

You're giving way too much credit to Law

Assa and Sub literally sim the same currently

[slow marsh]

yet outlaw is right under assassination in almost every fight

[limber lion]

Outlaw sims a good 1.2k behind

Nah

Outlaw is literally trash

[slow marsh]

wym nah

[strange python]

There's like 3 sin logs for a lot of fights tbh

[limber lion]

like actually super bad

[slow marsh]

it's literally

facts

[limber lion]

wat

[karmic crystal]

Assa does very comparable damage to sub on almost every fight

[strange python]

The public logs for sin kills are...not impressive atm

[limber lion]

There's literally no sin logs

of course outlaw performs the same

[strange python]

^

[limber lion]

when there's 3 people playing each spec

are you kidding me

lmao

I literally have parses on every single boss

that are 2k+ more than the public parse

[karmic crystal]

And most of you people complaining about sub being 300 sim dps ahead of assa or whatever aren’t competing for rank 1 sub rogue so

[limber lion]

doesn't mean sin is a bad spec because the 3 public logging rogues don't play it as well

[karmic crystal]

What is your complaint really

[strange python]

And what if I am

[limber lion]

Except

Sub isn't

Sub and Assa literally sim the same

Assa is like 17018 and Sub is 17064

or something like that

[strange python]

A lot of the people in this channel right now are pushing for hall of fame, where small differences matter

[limber lion]

both 17k

[strange python]

That's BiS tho cev c'mon

[limber lion]

Yes

So what?

Currently my Assa sims 400 dps more than my Sub

?

I'm not in full bis

[strange python]

Not accurate to farm gear unless you highrolled dagger drops

[limber lion]

That's not true

[strange python]

If your daggers are still 259 edge of nights sub will sim way better

[karmic crystal]

You could say the same for sub

[limber lion]

Also Sub requires 2 Mythic Sylvanas daggers

If you don't have those, you're fucked

But yeah, I have one 259 EoN

and sub is still 400 dps behind

[slow marsh]

yeah idk. this tier is a good example that ST patchwerk sims dont really mean a whole lot

[limber lion]

are you drunk

[obtuse robin]

same discussion again same answer again

[limber lion]

I thought Iceblades was reasonable most of the time

what is this Iceblades of today

There's literally 0 logs

of Assassination

and 10k logs of Sub

of course Sub performs better

and looks better

when everyone plays Sub

and no one plays Sin

[karmic crystal]

I can’t play assa I can’t play assa!!!

“Yes you can”

[limber lion]

Community perception is the reason why everyone plays Sub

[karmic crystal]

No I can’t!!!!

[limber lion]

it's not because it's a super duper better spec

[ebon moon]

Sin pretty fun right now? Haven't played it since dom sockets went bye bye, but hate having to have the Sylv daggers to be able to be optimized

[limber lion]

Very much so with 4p tier set.

[ebon moon]

🙂 ty

[proper summit]

There's also an ease of execution factor though, whereas assa has historically been the easier spec to play this tier it's very much not

Like why would I bother juggling all the dots on pantheon when I can just proc 4p and pretend I'm in m+

[limber lion]

Correct.

[thorn fjord]

bleh 278 bells in my box -_-

[sand sigil]

has anyone noticed on jailer if u rupture/garrote an mc'd teammate and then break their mc and free them, do the bleed ticks still refund energy when they're back on your team (for as long as the deadly poison is still up)? does that damage still count towards ur damage after the mc fades?

[limber lion]

When you break the MC, it removes all the negative debuffs applied by your teammates.

Not sure if you get energy return from the Rupture removal or not, but wouldn't be surprised if you didn't.

[slow marsh]

i would be surprised if you did cuz they didn't die

[sand sigil]

this gotta be new or fake news

cuz we definitely have killed our teammates from dots on them if the healers are slow to massdispel

[bleak sky]

doing LFR, run into this

[subtle tundra]

pvp gamers gotta get those tier sets too

brotherman

[sand sigil]

maybe it's a heroic thing to get rid of the dots not sure

we have 100% assassinated some friendlys 100-0 when we break the mc cuz the dots fuck them up insta lol

[spice spire]

[drifting cloud]

thats the patreon apl talents

[slow marsh]

sounds like /surprise a bug

[bleak sky]

that's what they run?

degen

[sand sigil]

i mean the dots are always there not just a one off

like the dots always remain on the dude

[subtle tundra]

big energy regen on mythic

[drifting cloud]

probably a mythic thing then

[limber lion]

Yeah maybe that's a Mythic thing or a recently hotfixed thing. Here's Pieces' MC in comparison

Where the dots don't instantly get removed

Compulsion being the shield that you slap down

Kind of weird how that works though because you can see Ignite, Blood Plague, Binding Shot and Sunfire all expire the same tick

But everything else at their own times

[sand sigil]

hm idk it's gotta be an update cuz i never once saw the dots get removed we even had to make a weakaura that assigned healers with a nameplate glow to dispel the dif guys in sync

to make sure they didn't insta die

like here we just broke them from mc and still all dots

[limber lion]

Yeah, okay after looking through the most recent public Jailer log, looks like it is a mythic mechanic indeed.

This is from the most recent Jailer kill

hidden mythic mechanics pog

Well, my best bet is that the energy regen does work like you said if this is intended gameplay, but it's a bit hard to test out.

[sand sigil]

yeah i was thinking if i was gonna play sin if it were worth to rupture them and refresh deadly right before the mc breaks if i'd still get energy for 10 seconds but since nobody killed on mythic as sin guess i just gotta find out lol

[limber lion]

Yeppers

Keep us updated if you find something sick

[sand sigil]

i wanna try sin there but a little scared to int without 25 shadowsteps lol

plus i got no gear for it. hopefully in a week or two

[limber lion]

Yeh, Jailer is a fucking running simulator

[drifting cloud]

how dare you, jailer is perfect

[sand sigil]

it's one of those things where it's hard to say whatd be better, sin with downtime or sub with some extra steps. but sin seems so sick for p3/p4

[drifting cloud]

especially his mythic phase where hes supposed to heal but after 10 kills were not sure to what %

[slow marsh]

mortal strike was always intended to work btw

[sand sigil]

cuz u can actually make use of all the stats whereas w sub i mean it just feels kinda meh to get the haste and mastery

idk if it's enough of a boost to run zoldyk there or not tho

[limber lion]

Yeh for sure

[sand sigil]

prolly not but in theory it could be decent

maybe if p4 it full healed

[limber lion]

Could be fine, but p1 and p2 is still a bit tight, so playing Zoldyck would just int those 2 phases

[slow marsh]

in theory execute always sounds nice until you compare it to cutting your main cd in half

[strange python]

278 phial boyssss

Was either that or 285 tier shoulders

Easiest decision ever

[sand sigil]

man i'd have taken the tier 😅

i'll never getta play on lords LOL

[limber swallow]

Seeing as I don't normally raid, any reason I shouldn't choose shoulders here? (I currently have 2pc, legs / gloves).

[limber lion]

No, shoulders are perfectly fine. We get the tier maker machine thingy next week, so that's a thing to consider

but if you're not planning to kill Mythic Rygelon/Lords, then go for it

[limber swallow]

yea, that's what I figured.

[strange python]

I've never seen a vault phial before. Had to. Even if it's not as strong this tier

Necro sins gotta be strong on lords since the aoe change too, no?

[normal mist]

Yes

W/zoldyck

Not sure if zoldyck is still the play with 4/4

[limber lion]

No

[spice spire]

Unless it’s 4p,
4p you’d still run dusk

Dusk is so good

[wide ridge]

my MA is simming higher than subt with dusk+4p+night fae.. is that supposed to happen?

[limber lion]

yes

[wide ridge]

🤝

[strange python]

278 phial, 278 shadowgrasp. Now to wait out for a sigil...

[rotund oak]

Wish i have 50% of your luck on my vault

[strange python]

It's okay it took me months of sylv to get a dagger on any diff

[rotund oak]

well,ive kille dher like ikd,20 times

😄

[strange python]

And phial isn't as strong relative to other trinkets anymore

[wooden aurora]

Im completely fried now so this could be really obvious but is there a reason why zold is simming higher than dashing for me on single target, just switching them is a 1k dps loss, im 2 set at the moment. I'm really tired so maybe im missing something obvious, think my sim settings arent fucked up

[limber lion]

link

[rotund oak]

true,its lower in the tier list

[limber lion]

link the sim

[wooden aurora]

1 sec

[sand sigil]

what's the big juicer profile at now for sin btw? i know it's 300 ahead of fae but the sim craft thingy not updated still shows sepsis on the profile

this thing

[limber lion]

Yeh that's mega outdated for all specs

Both Sub and Sin are at 17k

[viscid spear]

Gets 3 tier pieces, I get two daggers

[vestal wren]

will update the profiles soon, need to do some clean up because of the profile rules

[bleak sky]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pKeH6C4Z982ojyU5BbH63u

I think this is what you're looking for

[vestal wren]

!fuu, i have all 3 in my spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[limber swallow]

yea, the game is a f-ing troll.

[sand sigil]

sheeeeeeeesh

[slow marsh]

really feeling that fan buff

[bleak sky]

3.3% HUGE

[wooden aurora]

does dashings effect proc off poison bombs crits?

[slow marsh]

yes

[wooden aurora]

ffs

thanks

[rotund oak]

im drooling

huuuuge

[viscid spear]

Teach me how to Necro Sin M+

[subtle tundra]

1. play venthyr ez

[spice spire]

Deathspike is gaming

[marble ruin]

2. Find a tank that loves and apricates you as a person.

[fleet anchor]

Just think, it would have been 2.5% before. The gains.

Honestly, the only takeaway I can really get from this hotfix is that it was like the barest of bare minimum to actually get us to use FoK in 3T instead of mostly Mutilate, since 3T is generally their "AoE rotation" cutoff

Even though it hardly changes the DPS at all

[viscid spear]

I do play VenSin, but I don't like either dungeon my Cov is useful for

[limber swallow]

Once you play necro sin M+, Venthyr will feel boring.

I played venthyr all week (because I was experimenting w/Sub as well) and holy crap was I bored.

[viscid spear]

I guess I feel like I'm slow when slapping DS's on thingss

Isn't Sub the smurfs?

[limber swallow]

venthyr for M+

[viscid spear]

Shame it uses Theotar

[limber swallow]

yea, can't just swap easily

[viscid spear]

Though I did use Nadja in HC last night, felt alright

But I'm super dumb with Sub

Bonesmith the soulbind to go?

[limber swallow]

for M+? Marileth

[viscid spear]

Why him? Wowhead is recommending Heirmir

[fleet anchor]

They're both rather close. Heirmir probably gained a little bit more from the CT tweaks recently though.

[limber swallow]

Interesting. I've been running Marileth since S2. With deathspike, oozeling is up practically an entire M+ run assuming nothing goes wrong.

I also don't have 4pc yet, so that probably also has an impact

but heirmir sims quite a bit lower than marileth for me

[viscid spear]

Yeah, I'm looking over them both and can see a case for either one

[marble ruin]

you can do some very fun stuff with Marileth and fleshcraft in m+

[strange python]

Haste tea. Sign out till raid time.

[viscid spear]

[limber swallow]

yea, looks like it's about ~200dps difference for me. That's comparing both to my current venthyr setup.

marileth is the one on top

[subtle tundra]

i'd go venthyr anyways

200 dps if you play necro perfectly

which, yea, its easier with deathspike

but still a lot to take on

[limber swallow]

nah, it's 400 dps different from venthyr, 200 between them.
I played Necro all last season so I'm totally fine w/it

[subtle tundra]

oh well

i wouldnt go necro just cause its way lower ST

[limber swallow]

was more pointing out the difference between Heirmir and Marileth

[viscid spear]

I just personally prefer Venthyr, others can be better with Necro but I just can't

[limber swallow]

I've been necro for all the fortified weeks and venthyr for the tyrannical. It works.
And @viscid spear yes, play what you enjoy

[viscid spear]

I already have self-esteem and paranoia issues as it is, playing a different Cov loadout wouldn't be good for me

[limber swallow]

we should all just play Kyrian sin and pretend it's the right way to go.

[strange python]

Broke that 15k sin sim finally

[viscid spear]

If enough people do it, it couldn't possibly be wrong

[slow marsh]

careful. you're starting to talk like warlocks with their sandbagging

not acceptable in rogue disc

[wide ridge]

heresy

[polar cape]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[limber swallow]

Yes... but it might be fun heresy

[slow marsh]

its not

[spice spire]

I find mfers like u real interesting bro

[strange python]

If we all played no-lego for 3 weeks maybe we'd get buffs

I mean. Destro got buffed while already OP. could work.

[oak sky]

dont worry i have no tier im sandbagging enough for the whole discord

[strange python]

Ty for your good work

[oak sky]

its really degrading and demoralizing

rather not play

[strange python]

Dw you can craft one piece next week

[viscid spear]

He took a bite of Gum-Gum

Well Hito Hito No Mi: Model Nika

[strange python]

Im just blown away that destro got buffs

[oak sky]

Dw i can craft one piece next week as i get to do no damage for the 2nd week of our mythic prog

[strange python]

I wish I had no tier so I could be benched

This tier blows

[oak sky]

Oh i dont get benched

[strange python]

There's only 2 fun bosses

just got 4pc baby

am i running unity+duskwalkers now for M+?

[wide ridge]

i got 4p this reset too and was wondering if yall are using any WA to keep track of snapshots

to not overwrite them

[strange python]

snapshots?

[wide ridge]

ye

[strange python]

like for assassination?

[wide ridge]

ye

[strange python]

what is snapshotting?

[wide ridge]

bleeds that you cast before your vendetta expires keep the 100% increased tick rate

after vend ends

[solid venture]

You can adjust conditions and triggers in your wa

[strange python]

oh aight

[solid venture]

To glow up when the snapshotted bleeds are in pandemic

[wide ridge]

thats some rocket science there boss

[solid venture]

Sadge

[strange python]

ahh i see what you mean hmm

[solid venture]

Ceverion posted pictures of the wa settings couple of days ago

Good luck scrolling to find em though

[wide ridge]

damn i gotta find that

[hoary hamlet]

so i just got 4th tier set and siming both venth and NF and venth is simming 334dps higher the nf is there somthing i am missin

[slow marsh]

read pins

[spice spire]

These were his pics, yeah?

[solid venture]

Correct

[strange python]

awesome

[strange python]

Afenars has em pretty good

[wide ridge]

thank you, king

[spice spire]

Any time homie

Good luck

[thorn fjord]

Which WA is he using?

[solid venture]

Don't look at his trigger / condition number though, make a new one

Or you might accidentally overwrite something

[spice spire]

Afenar’s

Yeah I definitely just made new triggers

It took me a few tries, ngl

[solid venture]

Haha yea same

Felt like a real pepega for a bit

[spice spire]

And I ended up not getting them quite right so I just get yelled at in omega pandemic

[solid venture]

[spice spire]

That’s an easy adjustment for me though.
Don’t get yelled at enough

[solid venture]

I know the feeling

Perks of being maidenless

[spice spire]

Oh I’m engaged, so

[solid venture]

Sorry for your loss then

[winter gale]

Shadowcore+Phantom Fire or Sharpening Stone+Agility for raiding?

[ornate dawn]

Sharp and agi

[sour citrus]

🤩 🤩 🤩 Thank you wow!!!🤪🤪🤪

Butt, of course, gotta sim it

[limber lion]

np

[strange python]

affixes this week ?

didnt they say they'll separate forti and bolst

[loud light]

think the only thing they said was that they wanted to split up sanguine and necrotic

it's bolstering/quaking/fort just like last season

[spice spire]

Quaking bolstering

[strange python]

oh sanguine and necrotic it was ye

[north current]

hi, maybe someone have toxic onslaught weakaura to see adrenaline rush and shadow blade proc and time???

[open otter]

hey gents, i was wondering if you hold shiv for the flag and vendetta window or just send it?

[proper tapir]

If your energy is going nuts then it is active. (edited)

[slow marsh]

yeah hold shiv if flag is coming up soon

[north current]

not 8sec?

[open otter]

thanks 🙂

[proper tapir]

It is after Sepsis ends

[north current]

ok ty

[proper tapir]

Well I guess with 4p it can been sooner

Whatever, I'll quote Cev. "we don't track that, you shouldn't care; just play normal"

[spice spire]

Words to live by, no primo rotation shenanigans. It’s just augmenting our damage lightly

[bleak sky]

just ran into a sin rogue playing kyrian in keys

wild times

[spice spire]

Damage check

Or was it a rat key?

[timid cloud]

Lost to the healer?

[brazen zodiac]

enlightened pog

vombata mount very adorable

[gloomy ridge]

worth it or nah?

[spice spire]

Yes

Wait

Yes @ vita

Mister doctor fauci

If it sims better, it’s worth

[bleak sky]

I mean it was a 15 on my mage

so ye rat key

[spice spire]

If it doesn’t, it’s not

[timid cloud]

Show vault but sim self, I see Sigil.

[spice spire]

Kinda rat, but not too bad

Damage check

[gloomy ridge]

already have the sigil 😦

[spice spire]

This is a simmer homie

[gloomy ridge]

yap

figured

[timid cloud]

Oh.

Yeah.

[spice spire]

Leech kinda nice

[gloomy ridge]

other option is this.. but gonna sim..

[timid cloud]

TIER?!

POGGGY

[gloomy ridge]

already have them at 252 tho

[bleak sky]

we depleto

I mean

we bricked the keyy

[oak sky]

What you wanna do if you gonna play assass

[spice spire]

Gimmme the number I NEED it

Not gonna shame new mage

[timid cloud]

Go ahead & show it.

[bleak sky]

guess which blue bar I am

[spice spire]

10.3

[bleak sky]

wrong bar

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-confused-blinking-okay-white-guy-blinking-gif-7513882

[sonic schooner]

541 big big

Cant see the color so i guessed it is also a blue bar

[gusty mirage]

guess which yellow bar I am

[echo geyser]

bout to do 4 weeklies

[bleak sky]

massive 4p zamram

[subtle tundra]

frost cringe

play fire

like a real man.

[bleak sky]

damn I guess warlock needs another 5% buff

[timid cloud]

Doesn’t play Arcane.

Cringe.

[winter gale]

How to get rid of Dark Eclipse ifd not cloak

[timid cloud]

Go ahead & show me the damage breakdown…trying to see somethin’…

[gusty mirage]

that was an ethical 17.2k how dare you

almost triple the eviscerates vs black powder

[timid cloud]

Go ahead, I would like to see it…

[bleak sky]

show me the cache damage, oxi.

show me.

[gusty mirage]

listen it takes skill to wait for the icon to rotate on my screen

[bleak sky]

[timid cloud]

Lowkey feels kinda nice to keep up with a Lock & Hunter for 0.04 seconds while using it in big AOE.

[winter gale]

I remove Rygelon dark eclipse by standing in the black pool on the floor?

[late birch]

stonks

[timid cloud]

Yes. Bomb goes into the circle, watch out when you come back up, you will knock people away from you when you do that.

[frosty wagon]

can i ask what your guys opener rotation is like for a 5 - 7 pack of mobs with 4pc?

[limber lion]

which covenant

[timid cloud]

Insert musclebrah meme

[frosty wagon]

im necro

but willing to learn Ven

[limber lion]

gar gar gar gar sbs ct sbs sbs rup shiv

[frosty wagon]

awesome ty ty 🔥

[oak sky]

Ok ramzam but you got 4p on mage before me

[bleak sky]

I was about to meme you agreon but

your situation is harsh enough

[oak sky]

Im so over it dude

Makes me want to quit

[limber lion]

Don't worry

4p is bad

everyone hates it

haha

[subtle tundra]

makes me not want to play assa in m+ 🙂

cause i can play sub and do much better 🙂

[bleak sky]

be honest varas

even if the 4p wasn't kinda garbo in m+

[oak sky]

Big number good

[bleak sky]

now that you are a big m+ boi, would you still not be playing sub?

[oak sky]

Its one thing for your class to suck and to still have fun

Its another to not have access to your class

[slow marsh]

i thnink it would depend on how the 4p wouldn't be garbo in m+

[oak sky]

I'm playing 9.0.5 sin in 9.2

Feels great

[bleak sky]

hey don't be harsh

it's 9.0.5 sin ok

yeah better good edit

[oak sky]

Might just play outlaw on pantheon even though i suck at it

Because my damage will be so irrelevant

[slow marsh]

ye tank their numbers harder

[limber lion]

I did the same dps with and withour 4p on Panth

[slow marsh]

good bonus

[oak sky]

Yeah ur probably right im just really tilted

[limber lion]

playing with 4p on pantheon is even more tilting

p3 is aids

but dw you'll get it fo sho if everyone else in the team has it

assuming you do heroic/normal/lfr runs

[spice spire]

Ye, I don’t have zold, and uh. Vendetta’ing on one target is

[oak sky]

Yeah cev we have 1 other guy without tier

[spice spire]

Because I don’t have helm and my zold on legs 🤡

[oak sky]

But my token is very doomed

Im ngl

[bleak sky]

put me in coach

[oak sky]

So idk if ill get enough traders

[bleak sky]

I'll trade you tier

[spice spire]

If you need a normal funneler

I’d do it in a second papi

On god

[oak sky]

If we don't start in heroic im just not gonna show up for raid

Kinda dont care if it makes me look like a baby (i am one)

[spice spire]

House arthas zenith token has all four set except for ash

[bleak sky]

agreon doesn't care about damage (he does)

[oak sky]

I dont care about feeling relevant (i crave it)

[timid cloud]

You’ll always be relevant to me, pal.

Even if you’re not rank 1 healing all-stars anymore.

[oak sky]

If i quit i wont be relevant to anyone

[hollow river]

Creation catalyst soon man

[oak sky]

Do you know how tilting it is to hear

[hollow river]

Yes

[oak sky]

As a middling ce raider

That

[hollow river]

We have 2 dps with no tier

[oak sky]

You have to use the alt catchup system

To get the main power for the patch

[hollow river]

:/

[timid cloud]

Yes.

[hollow river]

Bro I was no dom shards

Until like week 5

I had embers for rank 5 before I had them

[timid cloud]

I’ve heard it a lot recently from others actually. Feels like actual dog.

[subtle tundra]

i would still do for fun keys on assa, play it in top/pf like last season etc

i just cba

now

its not fun doing no dmg