assassination

[balmy condor]

when it's that far behind

that's not really an option is it

[ebon notch]

Idk if I was being shit on by the rest of the raid then I'd feel pressured myself

[marble hemlock]

Hi.

[ebon notch]

Sub is just so boring

[balmy condor]

fury and arms are only slightly worse by comparison

[marble hemlock]

Have you met me?

[balmy condor]

yes we get it you're an OTP

[echo geyser]

are u doing bomb p2 and p3 @marble hemlock

[balmy condor]

you also have to raid lead on it and you don't like sub

[marble hemlock]

For 5 subs I'll swap sub and dumpster whispyrs parses within a day.

Calling me an otp smh

I wish ram, but no.

[echo geyser]

@ebon notch u bomber man p2 and p3?

[balmy condor]

if it smells like shit and it tastes like shit and it looks like shit, it's probably shit

[marble hemlock]

I also play Necro assa on halondrus. How does that make you feel? Show me on the doll.

[balmy condor]

you can play whatever you'd like

[marble hemlock]

Can't play with you

[balmy condor]

I'm just saying aside from fun and comfort you have no reason to do that

[karmic crystal]

Whispyr anti-fun

[balmy condor]

if playing necro sin on halondrus is fun for you

and you want to play the game for fun

then you should play necro sin

100%

[marble hemlock]

Well

[karmic crystal]

He is kinda right though you should maybe get a mental health check up

I don’t think it’s anything serious but

Just to be safe

[marble hemlock]

SBS is a nice filler for whenever you have to run out of melee with missile, marileth flesh craft is goated for knockbacks and Kevin amping reclaims is great too

[ebon notch]

Yes

You know what else is great for reclaims

Step

:O

[balmy condor]

those all sound very nice dear

[marble hemlock]

So do you

but yeah dunno

doing ~13-14k depending on pull without big MH

feels alright

[oak sky]

unfortunate that you still arent playing sub rogue

when you have all that

[marble hemlock]

Why

I do more damage playing smth I enjoy

Most people are hurting themselves playing whats "bis" instead of what they enjoy

But yeah, only a select few people should probably play Assa on that fight over Sub

[glass tulip]

playing sub makes me sad im not playing assassin

garrote is king

[oak sky]

im just memeing it thats all

obviously sin is fine for most people

[proven river]

just wish sin was better in +

[glass tulip]

I have a 291 akarris neck and its gonna collect dust in my bags

[clear finch]

I did a H Halondrus run this morning and my Sin run of Halo was still higher dps. Lots of factors surely but I'm not feeling the pressure to choose one over another. I love Sin in the raid and I love Sub in M+

[ashen scroll]

sin is really fun in m+, i just wish it did more dam

30% buff on CT and it'd be poggers

[clear finch]

Would love Sin to be as poggers as Sub cause I enjoy the bleeding poison playstyle but I also enjoy Uber pulls of black powder spam 🤣

[potent dagger]

Make Vendetta a buff and not a debuff and it will be insane 😄

[proven river]

sin just lacks aoe. more work for less damage is how a + as sin was described and i couldnt agree more

[ashen scroll]

idk maybe its because ive played it so long but sub is just boring in m+, at least the tierset makes it a bit reactive

ye, sin takes way more work to do aoe

[proven river]

im still new to rogue. I used to be a warrior, and never really played a rogue outside of leveling one to 110 in legion. came back to shadowlands at the end of 9.1.5 and joined my old guild for 9.2 raids

just not used to the way rogue plays compared to warr

[potent dagger]

Playing sub without sylv dagger feel so bad , knowing that you miss like 5-7% damage st wise hurt my feelings XD

[proven river]

i was in a pug with a sub that had double sylv daggers. we were top 2 dps. but i had no chance in hell. made me wanna go back and try to find people running heroic sanc, but i dont i have a chance at those daggers over other rogues lol

[potent dagger]

i know that feeling , never droped those T_T

[gray hazel]

the 30% FoK damage should help in M+ though?

do you guys run the FoK conduit in M+?

[safe barn]

toping meters and being RL at the same time

[zinc frost]

It will be barely noticeable

[oak sky]

didnt get tier

Sadge

tuesday for sure

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

im last in my guild

unironically

im like actually last

[spice spire]

Hate it

[rocky sluice]

soooo what are peoples opinions and what leggo to use on lords of dread (4set)

Zoldyk or duskwalker?

[clear finch]

Whichever you want homie. Does your group struggle executing? Zold. Does your group suck at mechanics? Dusk.

As far as I'm aware once you have 4p you always take Dusk no questions asked.

I'm a 4p gamer and won't be taking Dusk off unless we get some crazy outta nowhere nerf lol.

[rocky sluice]

nice, thanks man!

[safe barn]

And yet your name is blue

[clear finch]

Hahaha I'm a dual spec gamer homie!!

Sin in raid and Sub in M+

[safe barn]

[clear finch]

Last patch I played all 3 😅😅

[steel ridge]

How about play all3 in a single id?

God i hate that i cannot switch cov/conduits on the fly

[signal pier]

if only tome allowed u to switch quickly

[delicate gull]

does main hand ilvl still matter? like if i have a 240 and a 262

[steel ridge]

Yes

Bigger weapon goes into the left slot

[harsh haven]

hi all! So whats the best sin mplus lego/missives/slot ... ??

[signal pier]

pins

and #assassination-faq

[harsh haven]

was that supposed to be helpful ...

[timid cloud]

Was that supposed to be sarcasm?

[harsh haven]

wow ... sensitive ...

[timid cloud]

There’s helpful info in those sections. They can help you & we fill in the blanks.

[bleak sky]

those are the basics in a guide

[harsh haven]

yes

they are

[bleak sky]

read the guide, check FAQ and you'll probably be good to go

[harsh haven]

no i had a question ... and that does not answer it ...

[timid cloud]

It does.

[bleak sky]

I'm pretty sure the guide covers it all

[harsh haven]

like read my first question

[timid cloud]

Go read it.

We did.

[harsh haven]

hmm ok ... lol

[bleak sky]

it's in the guide

and pins

and faq

[timid cloud]

You were pointed in the right direction.

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[harsh haven]

so why craft with crit haste ... when it also says crit mas are better stats for mplus ... ?

[clear finch]

Cause you play sub in M+

🤣😅

[harsh haven]

or u can play whats fun and not follow the asses 😉

masses*

[brazen zodiac]

hey minal i hpoe ur day went great!

[bleak sky]

sup sup vita

hope you had a good one too

I just woke up so things aren't spectacular

[bleak sky]

For M+, Crit > Mastery = Haste >= Vers
(Crit and mastery gain value in aoe, haste loses value. Haste is still a good stat for us in m+, and overall all secondaries are close)

from the FAQ

[gaunt halo]

I use crit/haste just because it's more versatile. You can use it in raid and m+ and it's not like haste is a bad stat for m+ either

[timid cloud]

I just went crit/verse because multi-spec

[bleak sky]

multispec zoldycks

[timid cloud]

Oh fuck that. Crit haste only.

I meant Unity. My bad.

[bleak sky]

same, I'm a lil sucker for vers

[timid cloud]

Lol

[sharp forge]

CT what does it stand for as assa?

[harsh haven]

hey srry i seemed like a unappreciative dick ... i just didnt see what i was looking for and felt pushed aside .. appologies

is unity for sure best on bracers tho ... only cuz u wont replace with a teir piece

[jaunty kayak]

crimson tempest

[sharp forge]

ty

[bleak sky]

!unity

[prisma monolith]

All slots are close in output.
The best non tier slots across all specs are Belt or Wrists.
The best possible slot is likely Hands, Legs or Head.
Use a simulation to evaluate for your gear situation.

[bleak sky]

if you're not absolutely geared to the grins, 285 ilvl gear wherever possible etc etc, just craft it on belt/wrists

[gaunt halo]

What slot is "best" for a legendary depends heavily on your other gear. Wrists is just a solid all around pick with tier sets in mind

[bleak sky]

even then the slot doesn't matter that much

like 0.3% diff in slots

[gaunt halo]

Depending on your realm it might be worthwhile to look at other slots if those are cheaper

[wicked mist]

hi every1

whats your go to covenant for sin rogue

im having trouble deciding mine as im 50 now, just curious on your pref

[misty holly]

Venthyr does the most damage. Night Fae is close behind. Necrolord is the most fun.

[wicked mist]

yeah im thinking ven and night fae or kyrian

but that kyrian ability looks annoying asf

[gaunt halo]

For m+, both venthyr and necro are pretty viable, so if you're okay to play both it can really help with getting in groups

[harsh haven]

necro for mplus for sure 😉 its a blast!

[misty holly]

Kyrian is both weak and unfun =p

avoid

[wicked mist]

yeah ima avoid that for sure

i want to go venythr also cause the armor looks sick lmao

[misty holly]

oh, you should level up all 4 for the transmogs

[harsh haven]

venthyr for raid i think and necro for mplus

[wicked mist]

ima go for venythyr for pve and pvp

ty guys

i dont want to switch covenants and be eating crap trying to see which one i want to stick with

[misty holly]

venthyr is probably not great for pvp

flagellation requires a lot of uptime to be good

getting stunned is going to kill it.

[harsh haven]

maybe a stupid question ... can i craft a 291 piece and change the missives on it later ??

[misty holly]

other covenant powers much more consistent

[bleak sky]

no

[harsh haven]

ty

so im gonna need two duskwalkers lol ... or a doomblade 🙂

[red plaza]

You can scrap it for the cinders/flux/ash cost

[harsh haven]

ok didnt know that one

[bleak sky]

I think they want it for pvp?

crit haste / crit vers

[red plaza]

But the base which is the most costly thing imo is lost

[harsh haven]

i thought haste vers for pvp

[bleak sky]

idk

whatver stats they are

[misty holly]

crit does only +50% damage in pvp, it's a lot worse.

[harsh haven]

yup

[misty holly]

so anything but that.

[wicked mist]

not too shabby right

[marble hemlock]

Very shabby.

[delicate gull]

in m+, do we spend combo points on crimson tempest, or just maintain the dot?

nvm found it in the faq

[balmy condor]

Damn

The guy who wrote that must be some sort of ultra chad

[spark scaffold]

30% fok, that's like 10k overall increase

[balmy condor]

Damn you’re playing legion? I can’t do 1.5mil dps in keys

[spark scaffold]

Shoulda synced the kekws

[balmy condor]

Go to a different channel and come back

[spark scaffold]

This buff is like the mw sck buff

[balmy condor]

They’ll sync themselves

[spark scaffold]

30% of nothing is still nothing

[balmy condor]

True

[oak sky]

did a key today fok was 1%

[balmy condor]

1.3% next week bud

[spark scaffold]

If they increased the poison application of fok by 30% though...

[balmy condor]

And if you play pk it might even be 1.5

How bout that

[next dune]

I've been leveling my Night Fae renown, and it's pretty good. Sepsis with shiv go well together, along with the leggo. And soulshape is always good. Sure Flag and venth is good, but if you like night Fae there's really no reason not to play it

The worst part about it is making sure you can stay in that haste buff that Dreamweaver gives

[spark scaffold]

Is the recommended legendary for pantheon still zoldyck after nerfs? Feels like ph3 is legit close to 1/5 of the fight atm

Pre-nerf they would start at 50% and after initial burst get close to zoldyck range and you'd get much higher value, now it just seems like you get a lot less duration during the dmg amp

[next dune]

Maybe Whysper or someone who knows more about sims can confirm, but I'm pretty sure a lot of sims with Dreamweaver assume you always have that haste buff with Sepsis. Which many times in reality isn't practical

[subtle tundra]

anyone killed/currently progging halondrus as sin?

im on bomb juggling duty and idk how feasible venth is

[bleak sky]

seli is progging as sin but necro

[limber lion]

Venth is fine

Actually the perfect pick for Halondrus

Night Fae is cringe

[subtle tundra]

wat

necro?

[bleak sky]

ye

[subtle tundra]

thats like omega inting

[limber lion]

Ye

[bleak sky]

ye but he's comfy on it so idk

[bleak sky]

show me on the doll where the fairies hurt you

[limber lion]

Night Fae bis covenant

but bad on HallyDally

Slam a Sepsis during the walk and watch your flowerbed get left behind

get a full 1.5s of value from it

very poggers

[bleak sky]

1.5s huge value

that's a whole global and a half

[subtle tundra]

but then cant you play another soulbind?

surely its better than necro

on pure ST

[bleak sky]

aren't the other soulbinds giga cringe though

[limber lion]

As Venth you pretty much get full value most of the time, sometimes you have to go drop off debuffs but that's not too bad

[limber lion]

Yes, Niya would be better than any Necro choice

But Seli doesn't play by the rules

You shouldn't look at his choices

[subtle tundra]

an anomaly

[bleak sky]

die hard necro

[limber lion]

He doesn't do the correct openers or anything either

[timid cloud]

My boy Brian hates the fairies.

[limber lion]

That's fine

But if you want to play optimally

you should play Venth

and it's not even close

Especially on HallyD

[subtle tundra]

ye, sometimes i get a fucky flag but surely thats better than NECRO

😔

[limber lion]

Kyrian is better than Necro

so yeh

[timid cloud]

Just thinking about my Shiv’s on Crab…

[warm drift]

Do you cloak the knockback or position good?

[timid cloud]

I’m getting war flashbacks.

[warm drift]

Because 1 step

[limber lion]

In Mythic you don't really wanna cloak just to keep uptime

it's a bit int

You want to save it for actual good defensive usage

Better to lose out on 3s of uptime

[warm drift]

So you have to position good?

[limber lion]

than die to beams or the meteor

[subtle tundra]

in p1 i cloak debuff out of me during vendetta so i dont have to wait for dispell

[limber lion]

Yes, position well

Shadowstep

[drowsy parcel]

ive progged a bit, one and a half raid night

was venthyr yesterday and did some big pumpin

here logs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3rZVANhfc1G6DwFL

[marble hemlock]

Tbf looking at my choices is pretty helpful, cause you should just do everything different

[limber lion]

Just gotta keep in mind that Seli is topping the meters whilst also doing raidleading

[marble hemlock]

Not topping. Nerf Demolocks and DH

[limber lion]

So trying to incorporate some Venth snapshot shenanigans on top of leading is probs more int than just playing what you're comfortable with

[marble hemlock]

But yeah, I explained it earlier. I like the comfortability of Necro, knockback immunity is neat, so is having a good filler for when you have to run out of melee, which happens a lot in a melee-heavy lineup

And since no one wants to be my friend, having Kevin at least gives me someone to snuggle up with

[limber lion]

It's not too late to get Deathspike buffed

[marble hemlock]

I'd settle for SBS resetting to 5 charges on a wipe

Love wiping when I have just used up all my SBS

And then starting a pull with 2 charges

[limber lion]

Yeh that's a bit cringe ngl

[marble hemlock]

[subtle tundra]

/break 2

[drowsy parcel]

juggling bombs is very hectic with the venthyr build

[marble hemlock]

Havent played Venthyr on the fight yet, dunno how it lines up with missiles/debuffs etc or being a bomb commando

[drowsy parcel]

but its a lot of fun so far, i dont mind wiping for another week

[warm drift]

I am benched for halodri sadly

[subtle tundra]

first flag is late into first shield, thats all i know

[marble hemlock]

Overall I still feel like Necro is a very comfortable progression choice, as both Fae and Venthyr require quite a lot more complex and precise play which is hard to really do well

[warm drift]

Fight looks hectic but also cool

[limber lion]

Yeh

Necro is definitely the easiest out of the bunch

Would not recommend Night Fae on it whatsoever

[marble hemlock]

Yeah, dunno if you have Flag+Vend for 1st Reclaim

[limber lion]

You don't

Vendetta comes up, Flag doesn't

[marble hemlock]

That kinda sucks

[limber lion]

Flag is like 5-10s too late

[marble hemlock]

Dunno how it lines up for 2nd. I'm guessing you just skip 2nd

But we 5heal, so having some dam for p2 reclaim is nice as well

[drowsy parcel]

guy in my guild linked this

[limber lion]

Yeeh just talked about that in our guild discord as well

[marble hemlock]

Unless someone has a video on that

I call

Cause it was tried in the early progression days, and it did not lead to a kill.

But yeah, dunno how good Venthyr is overall for reclaim damage

I guess if you play like 3 boomies its more than fine

But I'm usually #3 behind our boomies on it

[hollow escarp]

not sure if I hate fae or venthyr more

so used to press shiv on cd I often forget to keep it for 2nd vendetta as fae

[rotund oak]

venthyr is kinda cringe

fae is fiiiine

kinda inclined to like necro more

dunno why

[limber lion]

Venth bis

[subtle tundra]

anyone simmed PI on venthyr with the changes?

[rotund oak]

im playing venthyr no matter what,it just goes higher

[subtle tundra]

i mean, to compare to other specs

correctly

[rotund oak]

the only thing that kinda leaves me skeptical is when i lose like 3sec on a flag

[subtle tundra]

now that demo wont be getting all the PIs

[rotund oak]

makes me wanna cry

everytime

[limber lion]

Yeah, nothing really changes

[hollow escarp]

externals

[limber lion]

Still 1k behind Demo

[subtle tundra]

demo got nerfed

[limber lion]

Well 700 behind Fire mage then

And like 300-400 behind Destro

[hollow escarp]

tbf it's not fun when your spec is a PI target

[limber lion]

It's like 900 dps

[versed mica]

anyone find out how much of a dps increase FoK buff is for M+ sin?

I assume it's basically nothing but I gotta know

[hollow escarp]

it's not live yet, right?

[versed mica]

it ain't, it boots up on reset

[bleak sky]

almost a whole percent I think

[versed mica]

sin beats sub in M+ now right????

[hollow escarp]

yeah, if they play with one dagger

[versed mica]

[hollow escarp]

sub is way too strong in m+ right now

compared to outlaw and assa

[proven river]

How necessary is haste on sin? Could I use sub gear, or do I need to get a 2nd set

[hollow escarp]

haste is pretty good, but you should run a top gear for assa

[rotund oak]

Technically sub can go afk or dc

their conneciton fails

a meteorite falls from the sky

massive earthquakes

hurricanes

stuff like that can impact to an extend making possible sub loses to assa

[hollow escarp]

we may be 7k overall behind on damage, but at least we're having fun

see what happens if you play assa in M+?

it wasn't the 5 deaths to spiteful

[subtle tundra]

i dont have fun with vendetta in aoe though

[hollow escarp]

I use it on my focus target

so I get to swap faster to it for bleeds refresh

sucks in some dungeons like Plaguefall where I want to vendetta the Spinebreaker but focus the Plaguebinder for kicks

but the spinebreaker is big enough so I can just click it without searching 10 sec for it 🙂

[subtle tundra]

i have assigned kicks in basically all the dungeons

so i have focus kick

[hollow escarp]

I also use focus for kick mostly

but it's also easier to target swap to focus like that

[cedar yew]

hello quick question, is it viable to have duskwalker's and unity on both rings?

[wild beacon]

the rings are unique-equipped afaik meaning you can't

[cedar yew]

oh right, ty

[ashen scroll]

I use double leggo rings on my mage, it works

[hollow escarp]

probably not optimal because there are some good rings out there

you might want to equip eventually

[subtle tundra]

a

[hollow escarp]

b

[clear finch]

C

[ashen scroll]

D

[solid venture]

CCC-COMBO BREAKER!

[pseudo hamlet]

Anyone know how to add Unity on helm and/or Duswalker's Loop on the ring in the droptimizer?
I cannot find the IDs of them in the wowhead...

[violet hemlock]

top of droptimizer there is an add legendaries option

[pseudo hamlet]

Not "Top gear", the droptimizer

[violet hemlock]

ooh

why?

[versed cobalt]

For raid is maintaining SND important w the venth build - I’m getting close to 90% uptime on pure single target doing 11-12K

I find myself like fuck either I can refresh bleeds

[bleak sky]

99% uptime on snd or bust

[violet hemlock]

snd gets maintained by pressing envenom

[versed cobalt]

Or I can env

[bleak sky]

your strongest buff

[pseudo hamlet]

Was wondering because it shows me that unity on helm and duskwalker on ring are currently highest simming options for me.

[limber lion]

You can just add them via Top Gear and then copy-paste the string that you get to Droptimizer

[versed cobalt]

Like w crimson tempest uptime I find myself dumping CP into it esp and barely have time to env

[violet hemlock]

that also makes sense if u dontn have tier on helm

[limber lion]

SnD should be 99%+

[pseudo hamlet]

simmed with full 272/278ilvl set

[limber lion]

It is the most important ability to keep up

[versed cobalt]

Ok

So u telling me I can pump even harder

[bleak sky]

[versed cobalt]

I like dis

[limber lion]

You just use the bare minimum of Envenom's to keep it up

[versed cobalt]

Like 1 CP-2CP envs ok?

[limber lion]

No

[bleak sky]

max-1

for all finishers

[limber lion]

Always 4-5

[versed cobalt]

Kk

[limber lion]

But you don't have to spam it 5 times in a row

[versed cobalt]

Yeah env is p low on my overall damage

I think maybe just more planning on my end

[pseudo hamlet]

Thanks! Didn't know it's possible co copy the whole thing to clipboard!

[hollow escarp]

envenom should be low as venthyr

[versed cobalt]

I’m at like 85% SNd Uptime but I need to be better about envenomjng

I’m just so used to not tracking it as assasination

[bleak sky]

you track it as sub as well so

[versed cobalt]

I know I know

[pseudo hamlet]

Tbh they should delete SnD for assa

[violet hemlock]

it was only readded in sl

[subtle tundra]

if snd ever drops, youre doing something wrong

[violet hemlock]

with cut its soo free to maintain

nathria was aids tho

no cut to the chase

[hollow escarp]

we got ctc in 9.0.5 though

before that assa was heavily undertuned anyway

[solid socket]

So with the Flag snapshot, do we delay vendetta 3-4 sec for Flag to come of cd?

[limber lion]

Yes

[hollow escarp]

sometimes even more than 3-4 sec

[trail locust]

@limber lion hello

[pseudo hamlet]

It's normal that MA and MfD sims higher than Subt and DS? 🤔 4PC + double lego (unity+duskwalker)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jGghdnmR3J4uWBcgoNoix7

[marble hemlock]

As venthyr that's normal, yes

Check the pins for more info on it

[rotund oak]

Was watching the Halondrus progress y'day but fallen asleep did u kill it?

[sick aspen]

when simming for bosses like vg/panth do we use dungeon slice or patchwerk and just increase the number of bosses?

[limber lion]

Both are fine

You can sim both styles and see how the results compare

Just sim 4 targets for Pantheon

[sick aspen]

Thanks @limber lion

[odd heath]

@limber lion are we slamming shiv on CD or holding to line up for vendettas?

For example. After the first shiv+vend (+- 9s into fight) we use shiv again at 34s, and the third usage is available at 59s. If we use now, the next usage is on 84s, which will be in the middle of vendetta, and not in the beginning.

The thing is, we hold for the combo and lose cast through the fight or slam on CD and line 1 shiv into vendetta, but not in the beginning

[limber lion]

Just hold it to line it up

You have to hold for Flag anyways

[odd heath]

Hmmmm.. ok thx

[solar stump]

@limber lion are you swapping between nadjia / theotar for specific bosses?

or is nadjia a meme

[spice spire]

Nadjia you’d run if you low rolled tea, otherwise theotar is mostly the play

[limber lion]

I play Nadja everywhere

[ebon notch]

Nadjia for assa and theotar for sub m+

Then you rng roll haste tea and scramble to change your conduits

[solar stump]

yeah i thought it was theo haste tea

sadge

[limber lion]

Theo Haste tea is still great and theoretically sims better.

But it is what it is

[solar stump]

i guess i'll just commit to the tea if i get good rng 😂

[viscid spear]

Yeah, can't rely on a 1/4 chance to get your preferred tea unless you spend however many hours rolling it until you do and then logging off that character until you raid.

[placid dawn]

so, without haste tea nadija is better?

[bronze plover]

when the sepsis end and active vendeta does trigger the 4 set bonus also?

[brazen zodiac]

"today at 1:58 AM" lul gl

[slow marsh]

Come again

?

[bronze plover]

?

no i mean when the sepsis end it apply vendeta on target when this vendeta is activated does other bleeds expire faster?

[slow marsh]

Might want to read toxic onslaught again. You don't get the CD from your spec

[ebon notch]

It only applies vendetta as sub

As assa you get shadow blades and adrenaline rush

[hollow escarp]

I rolled haste tea, not playin my rogue until raid tonight

[rose narwhal]

sorry if this gets asked a lot but what does duskwalkers legendary usually bring vendetta CD to?

[slow marsh]

1min

[ripe gulch]

I JUST SAW THE FOK BUFF!

absolutely useless right?

[pure moth]

Pretty much. Gives 1% in a mythic plus

[limber lion]

Yes

[ripe gulch]

🙂

[fallen fable]

Guys can someone tell me. On opener what if mutilate gives 3cp. Should i force another to have 5 combo flag->rupture ?

[limber lion]

Yes

[fallen fable]

what with garrote overcap it after second mutilate or after rupture

[limber lion]

You just garrote at max cp if it comes to that

If Muti gives you 3 cp and you play MFD, you should just garrote - flag - rup

If Muti gives you 2 cp, then you Muti again followed by garrote

Always finishing at 4-5CP

[fallen fable]

Havent had 2cp yet ever. Yeah i know 4-5 but though its worth to overcap it as its opener and burst.

Thank you very much helped me alot

[dry copper]

2cp muts are just kicks straight to the nuts

[limber lion]

No, you just follow the normal rules. 4-5CP

Np

[strange python]

venth on rygelon ?

cause in pins it says maybe, in which case tho

[slow marsh]

Venth slaps on ryg

But if you overplay mechanics Necro is better

[strange python]

lords also right ?

[slow marsh]

Lords is Necro

[wide ridge]

necro is infinitely more fun with unity

what a banger of spell

[umbral rapids]

Still play dusk on lords ? 🤔

[proper tapir]

Sim it with 2 targets

[umbral rapids]

Probs. Ty

[echo geyser]

if only u could play dusk and zold instead of unity

necro sin

[normal mist]

how do we add items to raidbots without having them?

im not the smartest raidbots guy here

[echo geyser]

droptimizer

[normal mist]

hmmm cant see the crafted section

[echo geyser]

crafted u can do gearcompare maybe

[normal mist]

aka 262 items

[echo geyser]

otherwise youll have to import string from wowhead (its a bit more steps)

gear compare works

[normal mist]

aight let me test it

[echo geyser]

u add new gear sets if u wanna compare multiple sets/items

[normal mist]

yeah exatly what im going to do, thx ram 😛

[echo geyser]

[normal mist]

its funny because i was trying out my gear and different sets for my sub spec and...

The god has spoken

[strange python]

agi tea crap innit ?

should i switch to nadija

[normal mist]

yesu

[stray forge]

so stupid question if i dont get haste tea do i just go nadja?

[slow marsh]

no

sim your theo teas

[spice spire]

Strings are in the FAQ

[placid dawn]

when in vendetta with 4pc, do i follow the same refresh rules? like, at 5cp rupture refresh with 7s left or do have to lower that amount to like 3s since the dot lasts less time?

[stray forge]

@slow marsh so another stupid question how do i sim the teas?

[slow marsh]

#assassination-faq

[brazen zodiac]

well it would be 2.7 for garrote, and rupture depends on cp, 5cp would 3.6

(thats taken from whisyp from a few days ago btw)

[spice spire]

It’s in the tooltip as well - just gotta math

[proper tapir]

It is half of the regular refresh time. You can multiply the full bleed duration by 0.15 to get the 4p vendetta times. (you can multiply by 0.3 to the the regular non-vendetta time too)

[placid dawn]

Yea makes sense. Just making sure there isnt some wacky interactions

thanks

[brazen zodiac]

math hard :(

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

Math is math

[spice spire]

Novel inc

[limber lion]

As you all know, we received a 30% buff to our Fan of Knives damage earlier. This is a very minor buff. The buff comes to about a 1% increase in Dungeon Slice, and even with the buff, our AoE dps potential is still massively lagging behind Subtlety.

However, with the most recent buff to Assassination, we no longer use Mutilate on 3-target scenarios.

Previously we used Fan of Knives as a means to spread poisons on 3T, but mainly sticking to Mutilate as a generator. We no longer want to do that and instead use Fan of Knives as our main generator at 3+ targets. We strictly Mutilate at 1-2 targets and FoK at 3+ targets.

[timid cloud]

[viscid spear]

[oak sky]

The combo points are gonna be miserable

Fuck

[spice spire]

Gonna be?

[limber lion]

I agree.

[bleak sky]

N -> subtlety

[spice spire]

No man

[limber lion]

But I'd like to remind ya'll that 3T scenarios are pretty rare honestly

[subtle tundra]

it already is horrible

[bleak sky]

also true

[limber lion]

Usually it's 1-2 targets or many more

like 5+

[oak sky]

Whats worse than having 4+ targets to possibly crit on? Having 3 targets to ppssibly crit on

[limber lion]

But hey, at least your FoK is gonna do mad deeps

[spice spire]

30% of 0 is still 0

[viscid spear]

Do you think they'll ever change the crit mechanic on FoK?

[limber lion]

Ever?

Maybe

[spice spire]

It would ruin my immersion

[limber lion]

We rarely see any crazy updates to our spec honestly

[tired salmon]

i doubt it, would be nice if they made it like shuriken storm

[limber lion]

But who knows

They might go crazy one expansion and rework every single class/spec

[spice spire]

Best they can do is a sub rework pt 3

[viscid spear]

Sub gets to be best ST and AoE

[spice spire]

That’s all they got in the tank

Sub has had some pretty dog water tiers.
It’s not bad for them to enjoy a tier 🙂

[limber lion]

But then again

who wants to play a casino spec

Rather do the same amount of damage every pull

than fluctuate 5k one way or the other

[sonic schooner]

Thanks Bryan.

[subtle tundra]

me, when even with bad rng it still does more than assa

[sonic schooner]

[subtle tundra]

(in m+)

[slow marsh]

Why try hard when 2 button do more

[thorn fjord]

We should be happy we can actively play both specs

for different situations

[spice spire]

(Lords of dread spec)

[slow marsh]

We should be happy we only get abused when they're drunk.

[thorn fjord]

Only when they're drunk?

[timid cloud]

Will I get 5CP or 1CP this FOK?!

[thorn fjord]

30% dmg increase tho

😂

[slow marsh]

One things for sure. Your fan still won't do damage either

[timid cloud]

Huge, wild, crazy, nuts, insane, bonkers, outrageous!

Blizzard is testing my faith.

[slow marsh]

Our

And I failed already so it's all you

[thorn fjord]

I'd be happy with FoK being left the same and them giving us a second Shadow Step

[slow marsh]

How about both

[thorn fjord]

Remember when we had no fall dmg?

Glory days

[slow marsh]

Why are people so conditioned to shitty design

[thorn fjord]

I agree it makes no sense that only sub gets 2 SS's

[limber lion]

sub ninja

assa not so much

sub also gets to sprint on water

[subtle tundra]

tf

[limber lion]

wut

[subtle tundra]

sprint on wata??

[limber lion]

Yes Sub op

[hot chasm]

Playing Kyrian sub made me gag

[slow marsh]

Because you did too much damage or what

[hot chasm]

get triggered when i get a combo point 0.5 sec before i try to hit a charged one

I'm paying to much attention on hitting the animacharged ones i think

need 1 more tier for 4pc, then its back to assassination

[cobalt hemlock]

with the FoK buff is the worth to take the fok conduit or still no

[slow marsh]

No

Fan still does no damage

[cobalt hemlock]

in dungeon during my vendeta i should always tried to reaply the dots on the target right instead of aplying to different ones for energy

with 4p ofc

[slow marsh]

Yeah you should make sure you have dots on your vend prio but it probably won't make that big of a difference overall either way

[north current]

maybe someone can help with assassination spec. Going raids and my logs to low. I dont know what i doing wong. Maybe someone can help and tell some tips? 🙂

[limber lion]

Link your logs and we'll take a look

[north current]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zCJGWftFh6Ryc48p/

Tryed rygelion but on tohers bosses same logs

others

maybe stats low 38crit and 21 haste

[subtle tundra]

Those stats are more than fine

and stats dont matter 99% of the time

[cold rampart]

can we soak night hunter in mythic pantheon by evasion?

[limber lion]

No

[cold rampart]

k thx

[deft vault]

how does shadowgrasp totem work exactly?

like i drop it at my feet and it does dmg

but if the mob runs away does it still do dmg or it has to stand on it

[echo geyser]

it has very long range

like 40-70yrds something

60 maybe

u just need to target a mob and itll attack

[cold rampart]

target??

not aoe ?

or random targets

[echo geyser]

its single target

on the mob u are targetting

when u "aoe" are u not targetting a mob ?

[subtle tundra]

honestly, fuck halondrus

im too tired during raid time for a boss this hard

[steel ridge]

Whats so bad about halondrus?

[oak sky]

Its just really hard

The bombs and stuff

[red plaza]

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[steel ridge]

Yeah right...

[subtle tundra]

its like not a single moment of just hitting the boss

mentally exhausting

especially as venthyr assa

[steel ridge]

We’re not there yet

[vestal wren]

same as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHTsaJRai24

[echo geyser]

range

[zinc frost]

Also range “oh no I have to move and cast on Halondrus”

[gusty adder]

Anyone with some decent plater profiles that they'd like to share - or know of one, that I can sub to some streamer and get? 😉

especially for m+ 🙂

[zinc frost]

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

[gusty adder]

huge, thanks

[ripe gulch]

one question about the pi sims

is it accurate for assa rogue?

is it with venth?

[spice spire]

Yes

But also try to push it to like

6/126/246 instead of the standard 0

[vestal wren]

good call, but only for venthyr

updated it in the spreadsheet

(not a dramatic change, but puts the average from 6.1% increae to 6.3%)

[ripe gulch]

ight ❤️

another thing

anyone else feel like skolex is fukcing annoying

i get flag and vendetta before cancelling the boss cast

forgot the name

[drowsy parcel]

halondrus greatest boss of all time

everything is scripted you just gotta not suck and you eventually kill

we are 130 pulls deep and its not even made a dent in my mental yet

[subtle tundra]

yea, its a good boss

but its so intense all the time

[echo geyser]

i got a dent

[subtle tundra]

im closing into 100 myself bros

[hollow escarp]

[drowsy parcel]

you killed in 131?

thats pretty good

[limber lion]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[limber lion]

@north current

Most weakaura-packs have pandemic built in, where the bleed will start glowing when it's under a certain duration threshold.

So then you know when it's safe to reapply the bleed without wasting resources

[ripe gulch]

what if i dont use weakauras 😛

[north current]

i seen it when rapture i weak aura starts to glow, 8s left maybe

[limber lion]

omega inting if you play Assa without weakauras/cd trackers

[limber lion]

Yes

[ripe gulch]

im omega inting then

[limber lion]

That's when you want to reapply Rupture again

you never let it drop

[north current]

aaa ok

[ripe gulch]

i still have doubts on how to play vendetta window

i usually throw 2 envenoms

but i feel like i should only use one

cuz i fall behind in dots

[north current]

it is possible to put flag and vandeta to 1 macro?

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter too much

[ripe gulch]

wouldnt recommend

[limber lion]

I would not recommend that

Just use 2 separate buttons

[north current]

ok, ty for info

you send picture but i dont see it

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[tropic echo]

i kinda wish CT was baseline so that assassination could get a talent similar to shuriken tornado

like hurricane of knives xd

[trim cairn]

I wish assassination got mongoloid high cleave damage to compensate for the insane loss in utility by not having shadow dance tbh

Or any sort of extremely high damage

So fucking sad that you can just spec sub, go into a m+ with 10x utility and press 2 buttons and do more aoe than an assa rogue's wet dream

Meanwhile assa has low damage on FoK, inconsistent CP gain for whatever wanker in blizzard deemed it to make the rotation "interesting" etc

[stiff garden]

At least you arent outlaw

You can be happy about that

[tropic echo]

but but 30% fok buff

or whatever it is

[silent tinsel]

I feel assassination is the weakest thematically

The name suggests maximum instant kill burst, it's a dot spec tho

[stiff garden]

Assassination can mean any form of ways to end someones life

[tropic echo]

assassination implies discreetly

[stiff garden]

^

[tropic echo]

but honestly like

subtlety is more thematically the "assassination" spec

backstab

shadowstrike

"symbols of death"

literally shurikens

the spec is thematically a ninja lol

literally has fucking shadow clone jutsu

[stiff garden]

Ive always thought it to be weird how they are still called "Subtlety"

Meanwhile combat gets a pistol and renamed to "Outlaw"

[tropic echo]

nothing subtle whatsoever about their 4pc aoe burst

[stiff garden]

[tropic echo]

they could've just named it "pirate rogue"

but that sounds too generic i guess

[silent tinsel]

They are called subtlety because they don't have gouge I guess

[tropic echo]

also kinda clashes

"pirate" sounds like a class name rather than a spec name

[stiff garden]

Outlaw is fine imo

Cutthroat or Swashbuckler could be poggers

[tropic echo]

also

[silent tinsel]

Main gauche means parrying dagger but there is no defensive attribute to the ability

[tropic echo]

"pirate rogue" might give some people ptsd

[lofty gazelle]

Question, does dashing scoundrel increase crit chance on poisons for all targets or just your main?

[tropic echo]

xd

[stiff garden]

We have more things to worry about than our spec name atm

[tropic echo]

the name "outlaw" has a very roguey vibe to it, i like it

[frosty cedar]

all targets

[lofty gazelle]

Ty!

[dull osprey]

is SBS affected by tier set?

[balmy condor]

yes

[dull osprey]

😮

[balmy condor]

it's a bleed

[dull osprey]

thats what I was thinking but they have made some things not affected by our buffs before

[hollow escarp]

it's a rogue spell/ability

trinkets and dungeon weapons are not affected by our buffs anymore

[fleet anchor]

One can never know

[viscid spear]

Unless....

[stiff garden]

Prenerf MA

[viscid spear]

[stiff garden]

[fleet anchor]

Even we don’t know half the time since Blizzard likes randomly changing Rogue mechanics with no patch notes all the time 😄

[hollow escarp]

I guess it's never bad to test stuff

[fleet anchor]

Always have to be on the lookout

Maybe someday the poison bug will get mysteriously fixed

[viscid spear]

"Guess what, Shiv causes bleed damage. I just watched Oz."

[hollow escarp]

which one?

the one where garrote doesn't apply poison?

[fleet anchor]

Garrote and Rupture both

And Shiv

[hollow escarp]

that was so long ago

I even forgot it's a bug

or if it got fixed

[fleet anchor]

Accidental feature

They did randomly fix Main Gauche not triggering poisons at some point recently. With not a patch note in sight. Would think they would want to take credit for their bug fixes!

[hollow escarp]

maybe accidental fix?

[viscid spear]

They'd have to admit they made the mistake in the first place

[fleet anchor]

lol possible

You know they always phrase things like a minor issue

“Resolved an issue that could occasionally cause Main Gauche not to trigger poisons”

And by “occasionally” we mean “100% of occasions”

[opal solar]

is assa better than sub for for pvp ? :D

[zinc frost]

You’d best ask in #pvp for some better answers, but assa is a lot easier to get into for pvp, sub is better in some comps, really strong in 2s as rogue/mage

[slow marsh]

Sin is better now

But yeah #pvp

[viscid spear]

HC Earthbreaker, isn't there a WA for it?

[wild nebula]

So question for the addon genius is here. What addon would you recommend I use to track my DPS and my rotation? I use details right now and I don't think it's working properly. No my rotation isn't great but it shouldn't be as bad as details is saying

[zinc frost]

Just use WCL, log your fights and check out your rotation there

[wild nebula]

Thank you! I'll download that tomorrow.

[kindred rapids]

As a last resort you can always modify details to show the DPS you think you should be doing

That's what I do

[viscid spear]

[fleet anchor]

As a note, I have integrated the CT-oriented APL changes mentioned by @limber lion in his pin. Should be in tonight's nightly build. Sample sequence table enjoyers can rejoice!

[viscid spear]

FoK and CT tech, what a time to be alive

[fleet anchor]

Had to make a few minor tweaks to work for other specs but nothing fundamentally different from the pin.

As a fun note, this actually ended up being a minor DPS gain for CT with Necrolord too

0.5% or so

[viscid spear]

[fleet anchor]

Nightly APL also has the change to the FoK target threshold so should be good to go with the hotfix

[ebon notch]

my damage number no bigger 😠

[wild nebula]

I mean my damage meter barley broke 2k in a Mists +4. And we timed. Quite sure I was doing more than that

[viscid spear]

ilvl?

[wild nebula]

251

[zinc frost]

Okay, that’s a bit low.. what’s your dmg breakdown like?

[proper tapir]

Was there a pin on CT? I only see FoK.

[split grail]

First Sigil: Line it u with vendetta I assume?

[zinc frost]

It’s referring to the second pin which makes venth best in ST using CT

And the snap shotting etc

[fleet anchor]

Slight change to the opener ordering to use CT prior to Vendetta

[wild nebula]

Not sure. I logged off for the night. I just know it's low because I do anywhere from 3.5k to just under 6k in other mythic dungeons

[proper tapir]

Thanks, I understand now.

[hasty siren]

Dumb question but i am currently simming about 11k patchwerk with the 2 set. Is the 4 set gonna make that big of a diff? Im way behind va my guildmates but the majority of them have their 4 sets.

[clear finch]

4p is Gainsville and you change your legendary. I have vendetta every minute with 4p + dusk.

[steel ridge]

4pc is almost 20%

It yeeted my sim from 11.9 to 14k, so yeah its a big difference

(Worse ilvl pieces)

[vestal wren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

4p can be even abouve 20% depending on covenant

*above

[steel ridge]

Kyrian

[vestal wren]

it still exists, and is quite good

[steel ridge]

Better than before it seems, yea

Big gains

[vestal wren]

problem with kyrian is not kyrian by itself

but rather that the covenant does not interact with the spec in a similar way the other do

necrolord gets benefit from the mastery and tier set
night fae benefits from TO and the 4p
Venthyr can get ahead due to the haste snapshotting with 4p
Kyrian, just offers slightly higher cp income that is for assassination not super impactful

[rotund oak]

Creation catalyst is on the 12th or 19th of April aight?

holyshit cringe fae is massive

[gusty mirage]

12th

it opens with a 1week cd though

iirc

[clear finch]

I love Fae Sin. Feels good. The added mobility with soulshape since we don't have double step is also nice.

[rotund oak]

that means we get to use it 1st time on the 19th,or we get to use once and put it on a week cd

[gusty mirage]

use it once then it gets put on a 1 week cd

[clear finch]

Use it immediately and puts it on CD

[gusty mirage]

so you can craft 1 tier piece on the 12th, and a 2nd on the 19th

idk how quick the cd reduces

[rotund oak]

yeah thats what i thought

[gusty mirage]

but they said it'll eventually shorten to like a day

or something like that

[clear finch]

It starts accumulating charges once a week starting with the first charge.

[rotund oak]

ive done it on ptr but couldnt rly get used on the ''introduce'' idea

its fine,so we stack up valor

[clear finch]

So Alts could technically make a full set after 4 weeks.

[rotund oak]

and upgrade our pieces to 272

once a week

and live the assa dream

[gusty mirage]

Catalyst charges will start relatively rare (1/week) then accelerate in acquisition rate as the patch moves towards the future. These values will gradually accelerate over time, to the point where eventually you will be earning a charge every other day.

with no clarification of what the "acceleration rate" is

[rotund oak]

💦

yeah

thats what rly confused me

im gonna pump so much dam

holysht

cant wait

unless ofc i loot a huge tier piece this week and get 4p

then ill pump a bit earlier

😅

[vestal wren]

it will probably go down by some hours every week

and after 4 months or so maybe be 1 per day

charge every other day.

does this mean it will never go to once per day?

[gusty mirage]

seems that way

[rotund oak]

dont rly think it matters that much

since u can craft a set in practically a week

[vestal wren]

you have 8 gear slots potentially

[rotund oak]

its 5

[vestal wren]

no

8

[rotund oak]

wait what 8

u mean waist and feet

yeah

yy

[vestal wren]

but you can't upgrade all of them, but boots/belt seem interessting

also hands

[rotund oak]

yeah

[fair glade]

hey guys any advises on wich part to craft the legendaries and how about zoldick insignia is it still fine in MM+ with 4p fae?

[rotund oak]

i mean,for the actual tier bonus

rest will most likely get from m+

[vestal wren]

the thing is, not everyone has tier yet

[rotund oak]

yeah

[vestal wren]

so if you are unlucky you will initially "waste" a charge for just getting your tier bonus

so you will need to re-craft it later

same with if you don't have max itemlevel for the slot

[rotund oak]

yeah that makes sense

im just stockpilling valor rn

[vestal wren]

so worse case you need quite some time to have it become "useless"

[rotund oak]

for catalyst

[vestal wren]

also for m+ players

from what i head, you can keep leech/avoidance on items

[rotund oak]

yes u can

can confirm

it was a thing even on ptr

so,as it seems we recraft unity to wrist crit/haste now for assa

keep dusk for ring

[vestal wren]

so you have a long term goal too

of getting leech on every piece

XD

[rotund oak]

😅

im going on avoidance

[vestal wren]

btw. 📈

17k now

[rotund oak]

got massive crit/haste 278 boots with avoidance alraedy

im gonna pump so much

💦

[fair glade]

hope i will get 4p tomorrow or a weapon

[rotund oak]

got a 278 wpn already

[fair glade]

😮

[rotund oak]

voracious ^^

[fair glade]

:3

[vestal wren]

i got a nice 278 belt

and phial 278

the rest of my vaults are coins

[rotund oak]

im gonna go with sigil + totem unless i actually loot phial

[fair glade]

i don't have any 278 all my chest where set piece but already got phial and a weapon 272

[rotund oak]

my assa is gonna be MASSIVE this tier

ive been waiting for it for so long

even from ptr it was looking and felt amazing

[fair glade]

assa is the only spec i actually like atm but MM+ is actually a problem i think i got some good stats and stuff but can't go voer 10k overall :/

[rotund oak]

rogue is not there for overalls

sub is the go hands down for m+

venth sub

Simple and easy/pretty cheap to go around with leggo crafting

[vestal wren]

can't hold all the sockets i guess

[fair glade]

yeah i will try to swap in MM+ but i don't like that spec xD

[rotund oak]

Positive side,u wont worry for sockets ever again

😅

[vestal wren]

its only 2 sockets tho

[rotund oak]

😦

just checked Legion TW in april the 13th

[versed mica]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[vestal wren]

huh, venthyr beating necor now 👀

[oak sky]

not surprising

[vestal wren]

unsure

[rotund oak]

for soulely ST it should

[vestal wren]

venthyr was ~2% or so behind necro, and there wasn't a big change for it to be ahead on dungeon slice

for single target, it went from 16.9k to 17k

for pantheon estimate it went to 33k, so slightly more but not significant

but 17k without a requirement of sylvans dagger, vs. 17k with a requirement of a mythic one

means sin should be in a very good position

[rotund oak]

love assa this tier

100% chad specc

[vestal wren]

it is sadly the only spec that got a interessting set bonus

(that is also quite overtuned, what is part why its interessting)

[rotund oak]

yeah its very big

the spike in dps is quite alot

(4p)

[vestal wren]

tier set of sin is above what sub tier set was pre nerf

so kind of weird that if similar impact was the aim of the sets

that sin one survived like this

[rotund oak]

sub tier is lower target cleave,dunno if it will compare to assa in the source of a couple of months

with the minmaxing and optimizations assa should outshine sub

especially for ST

[vestal wren]

you mean in general?

[rotund oak]

for raids mostly

general idk

[vestal wren]

i am unsure if you talk about your perception, or what you think will happen in logs?

[rotund oak]

my personal opinion

clearly mine

[eager river]

[rotund oak]

nothing with logs

just an estimation

[hollow dirge]

For sure, but sin got the highest dps loss from the domination set and sockets out of 3 rogue specs.

[vestal wren]

i mean i do rogue theorycrafting for 5 years and my observations:

• if sin is ahead by a bit, everyone plays sin
• if outlaw is ahead by a bit, it rarely gets played a lot even if it would be theoretically the best spec
• if sub is close to sin, it gets played but not a lot
• if sub is ahead of sin, you still often come to a 50/50 split between the two specs in terms of players

you just saw it last tier

[hollow dirge]

Which only shows that sin is the king of gameplay out of the 3😂

[vestal wren]

sin/sub are very close with sin slightly behind in sims

yet you had a 50% split between both

first tier, sin was buffed to be slightly ahead of the other 2 specs

[rotund oak]

Assa will win in the end
Sapzilla 5/4/2022 11:18

i also take the burden of a ''prophecy''

[vestal wren]

this was the amount of logs from the current aviable wcl statistics

[hollow dirge]

Think it will be a fair split depending on the boss

[vestal wren]

just to showcase how sin will be dominant

if it gets ahead

[rotund oak]

idk,assa gave me the impression it has alot of room for improvement even from ptr.Sub was a general mess of power

[vestal wren]

thats 4000% of sub logs in cn

[torpid sluice]

Sin feels easier to progress raiding with as well

[rotund oak]

will have to wait and see

[limber lion]

Rotation fixed

[oak sky]

i progged xymox as sub

sorry cev

betrayed the cause

[rotund oak]

what kind of person are u

xymox was outlaw

😄

[limber lion]

You do you brother

[hollow dirge]

I feel bad that they realised how behind sin is on aoe and still went with such a silly buff to fok. I guess with venthyr, it’s a slightly higher gain than it was as necro, but it would be super nice not to get kicked out of m+ grps for being the coolest rogue spec

[frosty cedar]

Sin definitely rarely seen spec this tier, even though sub is for plebs

[oak sky]

bro i literally went it because of how bad it felt to have my VENDETTA ASSIGNED TO A PLATFORM

[hollow dirge]

Good call😂

[oak sky]

like listen im a one trick but i have my limits

[limber lion]

It's a combination of the FoK buff and the rotational changes to Venthyr.

[rotund oak]

can respect that 😄

[frosty cedar]

trying to explain to RL what vendetta does a toughie

[limber lion]

Hey I used Vendetta on the acolyte

Got 8-10s of value each time :)

[oak sky]

im a no tier

so

[hollow dirge]

BIG

[oak sky]

wasting vendetta is a big nono

[hollow dirge]

😂