assassination

[bleak sky]

or hopped off for prog?

[hollow escarp]

necro still good for 40% of the raid

[marble hemlock]

i mean necro is good for like half the fights

and on the others ST barely matters

wont see a reason to play a dogshit cov like venthyr until rygelon maybe

and there its atleast bearable cuz you can mfd quasars

[agile geode]

is the simcraft updated for the new snapshot?

[hollow escarp]

yes

[marble hemlock]

snapshot has been working in simc for months

[agile geode]

yes

[limber lion]

Not quite

[agile geode]

i mean since the last changes

[limber lion]

It's been in for a few weeks

The rotational things are still not in

[agile geode]

venthyr feel more fun than nfae btw imho

[marble hemlock]

well yeah

mostly cuz fae is even less interesting

[agile geode]

i like this kind of playstyle

[hollow escarp]

it feels fun on training dummies

[subtle tundra]

well... nf has dreamweaver circle, gl having decent uptime

[hollow escarp]

dream delver > field of blossoms

[marble hemlock]

yeah theyre both shit

[delicate stump]

first tier set item (252 legs) or 272 dagger from GV

[spice spire]

[rotund oak]

should prioritize the wpn,tier sets u will craft eventually from creation catalyst

[hollow river]

Will take 4 weeks to craft 4 pieces

You can farm and upgrade 272 weapons

[narrow robin]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[bleak sky]

can you not craft them all at once?

[hollow escarp]

no, once a week for start

[bleak sky]

bruh

[hollow escarp]

than the cooldown goes down over time

[bleak sky]

that's awful

[hollow escarp]

well, it's a passive catchup

don't have to do anything for it really, other than farm flux

[bleak sky]

yeah just feels kinda bad for alts I guess

[hollow escarp]

it's fine, alts don't have to be as good as your main in 1 reset

[placid cobalt]

are the assa guides updates to reflect the venthyr stuff with 4p and double leggo?

[bleak sky]

Don't think they are.

[placid cobalt]

another question, when i try to sim as NF with dreamweaver, using crimson tempest in ST still nets me a 50ish dps on sims. Does it mean we don't go poison bomb even as fae?

[clear finch]

The pic in the FAQ shows bomb as pure ST but trust your sim.

[limber lion]

Just trust the sim

[placid cobalt]

yeah thats why i was asking, this is what i get when i sim myself

[hollow escarp]

master assassin?

[bleak sky]

those talents are not the ones you play

[spice spire]

Amen.
They’ve been close most of the xpac. Follow your sim papi

[placid cobalt]

yeah thats why it shows 60 gain on poison bomb

for night fae except the subterfuge everything else is good, il rerun it with sub but it will still show gain if u want 😄

here we go, as far as i know these are the talents listed for fae usage

[bleak sky]

if ct is a gain, ct is a gain

enjoy ct friend

[limber lion]

Why are you using talent comparison and not top gear?

[bleak sky]

can you also just link this sim?

[placid cobalt]

@limber lion i wasnt aware that it would be different, ill run it through there in a sec

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/89bcp2qagLJmsY6Fivyts1

[limber lion]

It's not, just wondering why you use that

[placid cobalt]

@bleak sky is this link ok?

[limber lion]

Top Gear allows you to sim gear, enchants, gems, talents, everything at one go

Instead of just doing talents

[placid cobalt]

oh yeye

[limber lion]

I've never seen any use for talent comparison

[placid cobalt]

idk im just used to going there for talents alone 😄

[limber lion]

Fair

[placid cobalt]

still, looks like i'll play tempest as NF too

ive been raid leading recently so i was looking for the easiest thing to play without compromising much dps, not sure venthyr is for me with all the stuff im looking at mid fight

atm i loose around 150ish dps playing NF compared to niya, and 250ish compared to theotar

[limber lion]

Yeh

Niya NF is definitely the easiest thing to play

[placid cobalt]

sorry mb i meant to nadja, my sims are as dreamweaver atm, so nadja would be +150 and theothar +250, however i dont like much theotar with that umbrella thing they always end up moving the boss from for a reason or another 😄

[limber lion]

Yep

[hollow escarp]

it's fun when it procs on shadowstep kicks

[hollow river]

Or when you press sprint to run back to boss

And you just have to run away from it and forget about it

[hollow escarp]

that 1 tick of bleed while you were under umbrella was worth it

[normal mist]

So my vault has a tier hc head and s 278 weapon and idk what to pick. Im 2/4

[ripe gulch]

how do we use xymox trink as assa?

always axe?

[zinc frost]

Yes

[placid cobalt]

question about NF, am i holding sepsis for vendetta everytime or just pop it with shiv on cd?

[arctic venture]

!topgear

there such top gear for sin? now?

anyone know?

need to check rings.

[zinc frost]

What do you mean?

[hollow river]

Every other Sepsis with Vendetta

And you should use shiv with every Sepsis

[arctic venture]

need to know what is the top gear for sin.

[normal mist]

You can just go to raidbots.com

And pick top gear

And pick the pieces

[zinc frost]

There aren’t any BIS lists if that’s what your after

[normal mist]

And it will tell you what to use

[hollow river]

Even trinkets have been changing value

As I get gear

So there really isn’t any “bis” unless you’re in full Mythic gear

[limber lion]

What might be bis for the best profile might be bad for you

that's just how the game works

unlucky

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tYGRrxg5M48FKLdLj1s3ka

Only upgrades are the Jailer neck and Rygelon dagger :(

[bleak sky]

15.3k

[brazen zodiac]

nice

[bleak sky]

[echo geyser]

hc

[limber lion]

yes

[echo geyser]

show mythic

[limber lion]

obviously there's upgrades on mythic

[echo geyser]

also what is this

[limber lion]

Still 1.7k dps away from bis

[echo geyser]

leech huh

[bleak sky]

you have 3 tier pieces at mythic ilvl

[echo geyser]

i see u

[bleak sky]

[limber lion]

:')

[bleak sky]

who did you sacrifice to get that

[ripe gulch]

testdrive on halondrus when

[limber lion]

Benched myself on Hallydally, so probably not for a while

[echo geyser]

?

[brazen zodiac]

hey minal, cev, i was trying to sim necro in dslice (necro won ofc by 300+), but do you think i should still go venthyr for heavy boss prio?

[limber lion]

Just got that today!

[ripe gulch]

aww

[brazen zodiac]

in m+ i mean mb

[limber lion]

You can try em both

Both are honestly fine

[bleak sky]

I haven't been playing sin in dungeons really 😦
You can probably do pretty solid as both

[brazen zodiac]

so the opener in a pack would be the same except you'd FOK instead of sbs into ruptures yeah?

4 gar into CT into fok rupture then vendetta shiv an already dotted prio target?

[limber lion]

Yeh

[brazen zodiac]

got too used to the guarantee combo points from sbs vs the 1 fkin combo point from FOK

zzzz

the opener for necro in st in pins also applies to m+ st opener im guessing yeah?

[limber lion]

Yes

There isn't an opener for st in the pins though

as Necro

But you would just do gar sbs muti rup vend shiv

[brazen zodiac]

oh i thought i saw a basic opener under the necro portion of your pin

[limber lion]

if you have snd running

(which you should)

[brazen zodiac]

ye

rn for for venthyr in m+ im running mfd but it feels psychotic

[subtle tundra]

I kinda caught up with cev on sims, I'm at 15k myself xd

[brazen zodiac]

but idk deeper sounds weird and vigor seemed meh

gaming varas

[ripe gulch]

how much was the 4p boost

[limber lion]

nerd

[ripe gulch]

🤓

bro wtf is your pfp tho

[subtle tundra]

Literally impossible to not get upgrades from vault, need 2-3 sockets now

[brazen zodiac]

would you normally just go vigor if you're playing venthyr in keys

[subtle tundra]

Do I get more tokens if I get all 9 slots in the vault? Do I have to pvp??

[brazen zodiac]

nah it's always 6 just need 1 slot filled

[subtle tundra]

Hmm

I thought I saw my alts get offered 2

[brazen zodiac]

i might be wrong then hm

[echo geyser]

1 choice should be 2

2 choice should be 4

3 choice should be 6

[brazen zodiac]

6 max?

[echo geyser]

i think so not sure, never paid attention cause i didnt take any

[spice spire]

Yes

6 max

[subtle tundra]

Fuck I thought I could game the system since I have 3 tokens already

[hollow river]

So for heroic at least. I do not think sin is the play for Lords of Dread

[brazen zodiac]

@limber lion gar boss, sbs, gar relic, sbs relic, then mut rupture boss sound good assuming im not already at 5+ cps?

[hollow river]

How about you Ceverio

[brazen zodiac]

sup trickz how r u

[hollow river]

I’m ok

Hbu

[brazen zodiac]

meh

[limber lion]

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

what would you play

if not sin

[hollow river]

Thoughts and opinions

?

Sub honestly

[limber lion]

sub sims 3k less on the encounter

outlaw sims 2k less

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[limber lion]

100% inting if you play anything else but sin

Unless if you want to of course

then by all means

[bleak sky]

2t fight, sub worst case scenario

[limber lion]

Yeah, Sub is literally the worst spec in the game

for 2t

[zinc frost]

Didn’t sin stocks go up too when they made the dreads changes to 100 percent damage rather than just aoe?

[limber lion]

Yes

Actually the best fight for Assa now

[brazen zodiac]

ig you'd hold cds for that phase now right

[hollow river]

I disagree

Whole heartedly

[limber lion]

?

[zinc frost]

How come?

[limber lion]

Feel free to elaborate

[bleak sky]

why is that trickz

[limber lion]

Sub is literally the worst spec in the entire game

[bleak sky]

god I hate my keyboard

[limber lion]

for 2t

A Feral does more damage on 2t than Sub does

[brazen zodiac]

i just broke my keyboard last night minal love your keys :(

[limber lion]

And Feral sucks

[bleak sky]

this dumb dumb broke itself, keys are chattering non-stop and I don't know how to solder to fix it

[glass tulip]

[brazen zodiac]

have you tried telling it to stop

give it a real serious talk

maybe a cup of coffee

[normal mist]

[bleak sky]

didn't work. keyboard bad listener.

I want to hear the 2t sub being better than 2t sin though

[brazen zodiac]

yes me too i am urious

[zinc frost]

says sin isn’t the play on a 2t fight
refuses to elaborate further
leaves

[bleak sky]

[zinc frost]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[hollow river]

I don’t think it’s inting to play the other specs

[spice spire]

Nah let’s not meme a homie.
He’s working rn

[hollow river]

Sub fucks damage amps

And with 4p 2t-3t isn’t AS horrible as it was.

[brazen zodiac]

that's a very Chad looking dude

almost too Chad honestly

[spice spire]

It’s more inting than playing sim on halondrus, and that’s considered a hard int

[zinc frost]

Yeah I didn’t think the gif would Be that big lmao

[hollow river]

[unborn oasis]

Man just got 4p and this new build feels clunky as hell but its about 240 dps more... ugh

[spice spire]

Words hard early

[hollow river]

Someone is salty

I have a life

Don’t have to respond in 5 seconds

[brazen zodiac]

yes but to drop a relatively based take like that and to not respond instantly is a TEASE

[limber lion]

True, it's not as horrible as it was

[spice spire]

You’re working rn, yeah?

[limber lion]

but it's still the worst spec

in the entire game

on 2t

even with 4p

Just because it's not 0 damage in 2t

it's still very very little damage

[zinc frost]

Nah there’s zero salt, just memeing and generally just curious about your opinion my dude.

[bleak sky]

I mean, if you're not comfortable at all with outlaw/sin, sure, playing sub is not inting per se

[hollow river]

I think it’s going to be fine on lords

[limber lion]

We've already made multiple sims for it

and sub is massively behind

but you do you

[bleak sky]

I'm sure even the hardest of sub 1tricks will swap to something else on lords

[hollow escarp]

why though?

you can kill it with any spec

[hollow river]

Don’t we always preach that sims are for comparing gear and not specs and classes?

[bleak sky]

oh heroic yea

[hollow river]

[hollow escarp]

it's the same argument people have when they play assa in a sub tier

[limber lion]

what.

[spice spire]

@faint harness will you be going sub on lords?

[bleak sky]

the rogue king for 2t is still better than the rogue shit for 2t

[faint harness]

ye

[spice spire]

To follow up on minalba’s point I found the second most dedicated sub one trick I know

Get bent @bleak sky

[bleak sky]

hey I wasn't gonna ping the man

[drifting cloud]

assuming hes not benched 😛

[spice spire]

Damn

[drifting cloud]

but with the swarm change probably whatever

[spice spire]

Ye

[zinc frost]

Who is the first?

[faint harness]

i sim 18200 with the lords sim stuff

[spice spire]

Pxb

[limber lion]

I sim 21k

[hollow escarp]

Ceverion assa on Halondrus and Pushnoir sub on Lords

[spice spire]

[faint harness]

I think i am more of a 1 trick than pxb

He has played assa on fights

this tier

[spice spire]

Disgusting

I retract my statement then

[bleak sky]

dk branching out

[drifting cloud]

he has?

[faint harness]

you also have like giga gear

[spice spire]

Isn’t Cev benched for halo tho? Or was it a self bench

[bleak sky]

yeah cev's gear is disgusting

[limber lion]

Bit of both

[faint harness]

he missed a raid night

[spice spire]

Ahhh yeah that’s right

[limber lion]

Felt like shit, would have just mega inted

[spice spire]

Going on his quarterly review, yeah?

[limber lion]

No point jumping in now after they've set up all strats

[faint harness]

Meh its whatever, sometimes ppl have other shit going on

[spice spire]

Makes a ton of sense given, even with nerf. Still a nutso fight

Damn push is not the tyrant I am

[cold patio]

BiS Trinket Combi is Gasp and Phiole?

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[spice spire]

Bis combo is whatever sims best.
It will change over time

[brazen zodiac]

hey quake necro and venthyr in keys play essentially the same yeah? but instead with necro ur replacing fok with sbs ruptures?

i like forgot how to play apparently lul

[limber lion]

not really

you still fok a bunch as necro

[brazen zodiac]

i see then

[spice spire]

Yeah

[brazen zodiac]

yeah ofc just was generalizing it ig

[spice spire]

What Cev said is correct

But yeah, fok being your primary filler on over 3 targets as venthyr

[bleak sky]

fok -> 1cp -> cry -> fok -> 2 cp -> cry

[brazen zodiac]

yeah that's toxic

idk

[spice spire]

I legit haven’t swapped to venthyr unless that’s needed for a dungeon

[bleak sky]

fok -> 1cp -> n -> sub -> activate

[brazen zodiac]

i just mut instantly if that happens for sheer cope

[hollow escarp]

at least you apply poisons with fok

[brazen zodiac]

that's cope bro come on

[hollow ether]

With the 5 bone spike charges on a st boss in a dungeon do I keep using the charges as they come up for combo points?

[spice spire]

If you run marileth, you use them to keep Kevin up.
If you run heirmir, you’ll open with then dump in gemstone windows

[limber lion]

Dump during Gemstones or use them with your Vendetta windows

[brazen zodiac]

which dungeon would you swap venthyr?

[bleak sky]

halls/sd I guess

[spice spire]

Yeah

[brazen zodiac]

haven't really felt the need to swap for specific dungeons but i only do 19-20s so idk

[spice spire]

Only if it’s needed for the buff

And no one else wants venthyr

[hollow ether]

Thanks I wasn’t sure what to do with them and that makes sense

[brazen zodiac]

ah ok

ur necro 4life even on tyrannical quake? :o

[spice spire]

Yes ma’am

I’ve renewed my oath

[zinc frost]

Disregard vampires, acquire bonespikes

[spice spire]

Amen

[white orchid]

My tanks be wildin with all the moving of bosses. My uptime on field of blossoms is so atrocious lol. Think it’s worth just going venthyr.

[spice spire]

Venthyr is currently performing best ST

So yeah, seems good

[white orchid]

Yea just thought the room for error might be smaller on NF and wanted to try it out since I got 4 set final last night.

[spice spire]

Grats on 4 set

[brazen zodiac]

pog!

[white orchid]

Thanks 🙏 honestly had 2 set and didn’t mind just waiting another 2 resets to make it. But star aligned I guess

[brazen zodiac]

congrats gamer

[spice spire]

Amen

[brazen zodiac]

good thing u didn't have to buy it

xd

[spice spire]

Hit up lfr and got mine yesterday too

[white orchid]

Grats brother!

[brazen zodiac]

hell yeah lfr gamers

[spice spire]

278 -> 239 pants +2k dps

[brazen zodiac]

based

[white orchid]

Yea I think I’ll still craft it for stats bc crit Vers is meh

[brazen zodiac]

Whats ur unity on quake

Mines on legs because why not fuck it

[bleak sky]

legs

[spice spire]

I’m an ethical wrist gamer

[brazen zodiac]

600k an hour skinning ill craft that shit on my female balls if i could

[spice spire]

Comes with a socket so

[brazen zodiac]

plus it simmed higher :(

[spice spire]

You good?

[bleak sky]

600k/hour skinning

[brazen zodiac]

no my hands hurt and my wow sub almost expires

absolute code red

[spice spire]

Tokens cheap these days

[brazen zodiac]

yeah but i pay for 3 peoples sub with wow gold so f

[spice spire]

Y tho

[brazen zodiac]

necro pretty nice for farming tho gotta say lul

[bleak sky]

nice person I guess

[white orchid]

Pretty ironic how the tier crafting so conveniently comes out the same week people who bought 3 month subs need to re sub lol

[bleak sky]

you're skinning on your rogue???

[brazen zodiac]

well my partner then my friend + me so

[storm belfry]

Sugar daddy

[spice spire]

Gotta get me a vita fr.
Wow sugar papi

[brazen zodiac]

yeah it's my only alt lol

[bleak sky]

rogue's not your main???

[brazen zodiac]

only character i mean

[bleak sky]

oh ok

[spice spire]

Not skinning on Druid

[brazen zodiac]

xddd

[north current]

i fell -playced steal or lethal poison cond is better, steal is 226 and lethal poison is 252, what to pick for single target???

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i see druids perma skinning ig they got some skinning passive or something?

[hollow escarp]

on worgen druid for racial passive

[bleak sky]

whatever sims higher

[late birch]

If i get all 5 tier pieces is it okay making dusk leggo on chest?

[drifting cloud]

chest is crit haste so probably not

its not terrible by any means just not ideal

[brazen zodiac]

yeah the chests stats are pretty nice i reckon you'd wanna keep em

[bleak sky]

and chest is very high ilvl as well

[brazen zodiac]

heavy crit tho

minal what u get in ur vault

[bleak sky]

token

jk but I should've picked it

278 hands but I legit should've gotten token

[late birch]

I've got like 278 crit/haste PF ring and 278 bloodoath waiting in vault atm D:

[brazen zodiac]

i got the lords tier piece at 278 but like it's not 285 so :/

[bleak sky]

still pretty dang good

[brazen zodiac]

yeah but ill totally kill mythic lords tomorrow shoulda took token

[late birch]

True , chest tier piece can go 285 too

so nvm

[spice spire]

Dudes complaining about 278.
I’m rocking a 239 . Heroic sod gear

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

finally got rid of my sod boots yesterday

still had the Dom socket in lol

[spice spire]

Did that last week

[bleak sky]

It's just that I'm not gonna wear gloves as soon as I get helm

haste mastery YUCK

[spice spire]

They call those the oshosi piece

[brazen zodiac]

im stuck with 278 gloves

[bleak sky]

I remember in my early days here I swapped oxi and oshosi

thought oxi was the mastery apologist

[spice spire]

Can’t believe you mistook the goat

For oxi

[bleak sky]

one is/was a great rogue

other is just a green name

[spice spire]

Amen

@gusty mirage thoughts?

[limber lion]

and one hoped to become one but never did

[bleak sky]

oshosi wanted green name?

[spice spire]

Cev going for the throat

[limber lion]

Who doesn't

[spice spire]

Technically, I didn’t

[limber lion]

say less

[bleak sky]

solo doesn't want green name

[spice spire]

Damn

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

is that so?

why is he back then?

as a green boy

[spice spire]

Quarterly reviewed

[brazen zodiac]

i want a yellow name yellow pretty color

[bleak sky]

said because people were weirded out that a "member" was writing the FAQ or something

[hollow escarp]

red name bis

[spice spire]

I should say, I always wanted to help. The goal in mind was never “oh boy I’m gonna log review everyone that hasn’t been and get CF”
I just wanna help man

[bleak sky]

is there anyone with just this role?

[spice spire]

Member + that I’m pretty sure

Exists

[bleak sky]

rare color

[spice spire]

Idk if it’s even a color. I think it’s just overwritten by everything

[limber lion]

Mystler rocking an even rarer color

[bleak sky]

SUPER RARE COLOR

[hollow escarp]

is he not green anymore?

[limber lion]

He is not

[bleak sun]

Still in 1p gang.. Got a socketed belt but havent rep to remove belt of unity

[limber lion]

Hasn't been for months

[spice spire]

I miss mystler

Only interacted once with him

[limber lion]

He gave up his post at Wowhead as well to Whispyr, Guy and Fuu

[spice spire]

Learned about how bad coding in wow was from him when I was newer

[bleak sky]

don't think I was around for mystler

[spice spire]

He’s never been hyper active.
But he was always doing pins+tcing + wowhead guides

[viscid spear]

Same bro

[bleak sky]

went to check rh website

nice

[viscid spear]

We need 420 more rogues

[limber lion]

The number is around 30k short

[spice spire]

Nearing 100k

[bleak sky]

website is lying, info can't be trusted, boycott ravenholdt

[spice spire]

I mean, the assassination guide is from 8.3.
So kind of?

[glass tulip]

You also have to subtract 1 for everything Oxi says being wrong

[viscid spear]

Still more recent than the last time the in-game Ravenholdt was relevant

[spice spire]

True

[timid cloud]

Gaslit into thinking anyone is playing Sin Rogue.

[spice spire]

Just play NF, trust

[timid cloud]

I got that 4P maybe it is time…

Maybe a little taste…

[spice spire]

Gaslighting more by the day

[hollow river]

Yep

[timid cloud]

Having that dinosaur would be kinda nice.

[hollow river]

Dead spec

[timid cloud]

🦕

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

No, that's me.

[bleak sky]

I'm sorry habibi will never treat you like that again

[timid cloud]

Still holding out for MP week 5,000

[clear finch]

as a newly minted 4p gamer I switched from Venth to Fae today and lawd I'm enjoying it. Not having to get the stars to align for snapshotting tech feels good.

[bleak sky]

go do the MP wound poison tech on jailer cydone

(does that actually work?)

[spice spire]

The poison swap at 11.2% HELL YEAH BROTHER.
(I don’t know if it works, no assassination rogue has killed jailer)

[gusty mirage]

Just pvp you can play MP all the time

[bleak sky]

forgot it's a mythic only mechanic

[spice spire]

It’s fine

Anyone who says they’ve killed the jailer on any difficulty probably believes birds are real

[gusty mirage]

Wait a second

[hollow escarp]

I didn't even kill Jailer on normal lol

[gusty mirage]

Birds are real

[bleak sky]

same

no N jailer, only H jailer

[spice spire]

0 shot

[gusty mirage]

Missing out on 1000 rep unlucky

[spice spire]

Yeah we’re gonna do Heroic jailer before normal

Sucks to be the DKs of the world

And I think arms warrior

[hollow escarp]

only warriors want to kill jailer anyway

[spice spire]

Cuz weapon is GIGA

[bleak sky]

warriors, dk, pally

[gusty mirage]

We haven’t even bothered pulling heroic jailer

[hollow escarp]

same thing

[gusty mirage]

We don’t care

[bleak sky]

the mount kinda bis

jumping animation is HUGE

[hollow escarp]

not the idle flying animation

[gusty mirage]

The mount sucks

[spice spire]

AotC focused guild.
So obviously that’s our sticking point before mythics

I’m just now killing heroic lihuvim n shit

Also fun fact, if you kill him during enrage, you can’t loot him without a toy

[timid cloud]

This is the first CE mount I want to be first in line for.

Rest were shit, I said what I said.

[normal mist]

Nathria CE mount was good tho

[timid cloud]

O_O

[normal mist]

Nathria ce mount was the friends we made along the way

[white orchid]

So with 4 set and playing venthyr is MfD mandatory to do all the snapshotting tech?

[normal mist]

As venthyr mfd is the go to

[viscid spear]

🪃

[spice spire]

We got tier at least

[viscid spear]

True

[spice spire]

Good news is there’s a lot of funnel tonight homie

[viscid spear]

Praying for Lords

[spice spire]

Quakewar coming in for anduin for helm funnel

Like we really that far out here rn

[viscid spear]

My former guild killed H Vig last night

[spice spire]

Good for them glad they did

[normal mist]

My guild killed h vigil last reset aswell. We are a proud 8/11N, 1/11H guild

(I still pugged 11/11N and 7/11hc)

[stark ravine]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[normal mist]

Btw is the dps diff from venthyr to nf (sr fights with 2/4 or 4/4) big?

[spice spire]

NF is no longer bis covenant

[normal mist]

I like not having to think about what I'm doing and i don't really think i want to do all that snapshotting tech

[spice spire]

Unless you mean the difference from NF to venthyr. And even then it’s 300 dps

Iirc

[undone eagle]

for m+ zoldyck still wins yea?

[normal mist]

Yes

[undone eagle]

cheers

[normal mist]

300 dps if both played perfectly right?

[spice spire]

According to cev.
Who often will have perfect info before he posts or brings anything up.
The pin is a trust worthy source

[normal mist]

My point of view on this is: is i fuck up flag, I'm actually not gaining those 300dps, which can happen because brain is tired after work

If all I have to do as a fae is sepsis shiv, or the other way around, then it makes up all the dps diff

For me ofc not overall

I'm tired, did anything of what i just said make any sense?

[timid cloud]

NF rotation too big brain for me.

I have to hit ambush.

[normal mist]

Just once in a while!

[timid cloud]

(No Sin Rogues on PUBLIC logs have killed The Jailer yet. hehe xd)

(I was in a key, I didn't get to talk like this.)

[normal mist]

Hc, mythic?

[gusty mirage]

How dare you, I’m a normal difficulty god

[normal mist]

Same!

With my 70 something log!

[hollow escarp]

necrolord and night fae kinda bad on jailer

[limber lion]

That's not true

[gusty mirage]

He’s downplaying my only good parses of the tier

[dim tide]

Sepsis trigger Subterfuge (Garotte) or we use Ambush?

[bleak sky]

ambush

it doesn't trigger subterfuge

[keen aurora]

Sepsis trigger does not give the stealth garrote bonus

[spice spire]

It gives the silence

Not the damage bonus

[dim tide]

Ok, ty for info

[timid cloud]

Wait did some Sin rogues get CE?

[spice spire]

???

3 guilds have killed jailer my guy

[limber lion]

I would like to remind you that there is legit no public logs of a single mythic Rygelon or Jailer kill

regardless of class

or spec

[ebon notch]

[limber lion]

spooned

[ebon notch]

says sigil haver

[limber lion]

?

[ebon notch]

no sigil pepehands

[limber lion]

sigil sims worse than iqd for me

[ebon notch]

fr

[limber lion]

and iqd you can just farm

[bleak sky]

venth tech

cursed iqd timeline

[spice spire]

You spelled based wrong

[bleak sky]

based? based on what

[spice spire]

[ebon notch]

i cant use iqd in my guild

people getting melee'd on pull

people being oom 3 mins in

people inting on god

[normal mist]

Wait arent all the guild like that?!

[fallen fable]

Is there a reason why we should craft unity on wrist?

[ebon notch]

it seems worse here for some reason

[bleak sky]

does nocco actually sponsor your guild or how does it work?

[timid cloud]

Hey, I was trying to have some hopium.

[normal mist]

I usually have raid members getting 1 tapped on pull by skrillex bcs tanks didn't want to move further inside my shroud

[muted ivy]

doesn't conflict with tier or other legendary slots

[timid cloud]

Mid-key plus I'm tired, plus ratio L

[ebon notch]

yes and you get free nocco every month

[bleak sky]

[ebon notch]

people here drink way too fucking much nocco

[bleak sky]

that's kinda cool ngl

[ebon notch]

like their desks just have cans stacked on them

[bleak sky]

too bad no nocco here

[ebon notch]

where you

[bleak sky]

bad spawn, brazil

[ebon notch]

ah unluck

[limber lion]

Too bad Nocco is swampass

[fallen fable]

Yeah i see that. Guess ill listen to whispyr . Thx

[ebon notch]

dont drink energy drinks so cant say either way 🤷‍♂️

[limber lion]

whatchu doing with all the freebies then

selling em?

giving away?

[ebon notch]

havent requested any yet

[limber lion]

Oh okay

[ebon notch]

you want cev?

[bleak sky]

dapspman selling autographed nocco

[limber lion]

I have to say that there are maybe 2 good Nocco flavors

but I don't think I've enjoyed most of them

I'm way too addicted to actual sugar

[bleak sky]

hop on that zero sugar life cev

get addicted to the sweeteners

[ebon notch]

i reduced how much sugar i was drinking for a bit

then had a day when i ate a lot

and on god i thought i was dying

[limber lion]

Ramonades, I'll take em all

[limber lion]

Yeh I didn't consume any sugar during the military, but I very shortly after service became addicted again

[bleak sky]

miilitary

[ebon notch]

cev gonna put one between my eyes on god

[limber lion]

Just becomes my daily routine whenever I go to the store and the last section I go to is the candy/drinks section

[bleak sky]

doesn't play outlaw, dw

[nocturne geode]

secretly plays outlaw

[wide ridge]

people play outlaw?

maybe when blizz fixes the 96 bugs it has

[slow marsh]

what's an outlaw

[nocturne geode]

people play ww and its more bugged than that

so

your logic is off lol

[wide ridge]

monk gives 5% more phys dmg so

[ebon notch]

what do you usually get

[nocturne geode]

[limber lion]

A small bag of candy and an energy drink, probably a battery or a redbull

[ebon notch]

thats pretty tame my guy

[bleak sky]

redbull

cmon cev you're better than that

[limber lion]

I've reduced the amount of energy drinks recently because I've been super duper lazy and didn't want to go to the store

[bleak sky]

Definition of outlaw
(Entry 1 of 2) 1 : a person excluded from the benefit or protection of the law. 2a : a lawless person or a fugitive from the law. b : a person or organization under a ban or restriction. c : one that is unconventional or rebellious.

[slow marsh]

redbull gud

[limber lion]

redbull is s-tier

[nocturne geode]

fanaticizing as a paladin bc redbull gives wings

[ebon notch]

ive heard that redbull has bull piss in it :S

[slow marsh]

well its gud

[bleak sky]

idk get reign or one of the sugar-free monsters

[limber lion]

yes it also gives you cancer and makes your balls implode

[nocturne geode]

🤔

[limber lion]

I hate the sugar-free monsters

[bleak sky]

[ebon notch]

😮

[limber lion]

I've tried em all and I just can't do em

[timid cloud]

HUH?

[slow marsh]

i hate monster

[spice spire]

Lo-carb monster or sugar free redbull

[limber lion]

The normal monsters are pretty good

[spice spire]

Amen

[quasi ledge]

Monster Pipeline Punch or Monarch are the best

[limber lion]

but the white-can sugar-free thing that all the zoomers drink, I just can't

idk why

[spice spire]

Idm it. But it’s definitely odd

[slow marsh]

when i was a young lad i was a fan of rockstar but now that i have to care about what i put in my body the only energy drinks i can do are sugar free redbulls

[ebon notch]

honestly replacing sugar for sweetners is not "healthier"

[bleak sky]

hell naw but my macros are PRISTINE

[limber lion]

Yep

[spice spire]

I agree completely, trading one evil for another

But it’s legit less sweet and more palatable for me

[ebon notch]

honestly sugar is healthier because you can always burn it off

and look after your teeth properly

you cant really compensate for sweetners

[limber lion]

don't have to look after your teeth if you don't have any

[bleak sky]

[pure moth]

Are we trying to make sin rogues healthier today?

[bleak sky]

no

[spice spire]

Every day

[ebon notch]

my cev secret tech list is growing by the day

so far its "learn every instrument" and "have no teeth"

rank 1s rolling in

[slow marsh]

quake i made the red pepper sauce except with corn + cream cheese last night and it was yum

[spice spire]

“Fixing teeth is time you could spend maximizing dps” - Cev problem

[spice spire]

Corn in it?! That seems so odd

Intrigued though

[ebon notch]

@limber lion my droptimizer is now favouring mastery haste over crit and vers

[slow marsh]

i didn't have onion

[ebon notch]

mastery based??

[slow marsh]

and i needed something

[limber lion]

same

[spice spire]

Idk about that 1-1. Onion provides a very different flavor and taste IMO. But if it works, it works

[limber lion]

I accidentally simmed IQD with 2222223 talents

and it was a +150 dps gain

then I simmed it again with proper talents

and it's +30 dps

[spice spire]

Like I said, I altered the cilantro sauce with Greek yogurt over Mayo

And it was a huge W

So I’m willing to try

[slow marsh]

well ofc onion would be better but now i want to try onion + pepper + corn + chili's

[bleak sky]

greek yogurt massive W

[spice spire]

We getting into OT but love to hear the cooking shit

[slow marsh]

we talking about gross ass energy drinks

[bleak sky]

isn't this the nature of sin chat though

[ebon notch]

iqd sims less than the dos legs at 272 ilvl lmao

[slow marsh]

they can handle the sauce

[spice spire]

Val can’t handle the sauce unfortunate

[bleak sky]

alternating between "look at this new tech" and "guys I took my dog for a walk look at the pics"

[spice spire]

I post those in OT like a good CF

[timid cloud]

Alright, but tell me the truth though...

Will you use IQD?

[bleak sky]

george is whitelisted to be posted anywhere I'm sure

[timid cloud]

https://i.gyazo.com/63233a81d48240c67cb1b7f829b7c5bf.png

[ebon notch]

i mean if its better then yeah

[timid cloud]

As it was predicted.

[ebon notch]

gimme

i dont have enough valor to max them out this week

fml

[timid cloud]

I knew the IQD Mastery stacking MP dream was still alive! (I am joking here.)

[ebon notch]

"for legal purposes this is a joke"

[limber lion]

I have a 262 IQD already, but I also have 265 booties I need to upgrade

But I won't upgrade neither

this or the next week

[spice spire]

[ebon notch]

yep

[limber lion]

Gotta save all the valor for the stupid ring

in 2 weeks

[timid cloud]

You goin' for that big 'ol ringy?

[ebon notch]

oh fuck

fucking hate legion timewalking

[muted ivy]

LOL

[brazen zodiac]

what stupid ring? guessin legion one?

oh dear

[spice spire]

Ye

[brazen zodiac]

how much valor u have cev?

[limber lion]

0

[muted ivy]

hey Court is pretty fun

[limber lion]

I'm fucked

[spice spire]

Fully upgraded phial

[timid cloud]

We must come together as a community & help one another out to get over this trying time.

[spice spire]

600 valor rn

[limber lion]

I have to do like +10's or something if I want to get it upgraded

[ebon notch]

how do you have 0 i have 300

[spice spire]

Saving

[ebon notch]

what have you upgraded so far

[limber lion]

instead of spamming 2's

[brazen zodiac]

0 valor gang

[timid cloud]

Spamming 2's will drain gang you for the entire tier.

[ebon notch]

i upgraded phial and dagger

[limber lion]

Ooze, Phial and boots once

[thorn fjord]

Qq guys.. with 4p if we cast CT after vend will it still benefit from the 4p?

[ebon notch]

oh i forgot about your ooze

[brazen zodiac]

threw all of mine into bloodoath ring for some reason and a dagger zzz

[timid cloud]

Oh you went for the Oozeman tech?

[ebon notch]

what ilvl are your daggers cev 🙂

[limber lion]

yes

[limber lion]

278 259

Kinda sadge I took the Anduin helm last week

[ebon notch]

272 wasnt a dps increase over EON?

[limber lion]

because I had a 278 dagger in there

and I got a mythic Anduin helm today

[muted ivy]

i mean we have 2 weeks of valor cap increasing

[timid cloud]

Only need 1 ring, other ring slot can be booty cheeks until the COS ring.

[limber lion]

Could have double 278's

oh wells

[subtle tundra]

Not even double 278,noob

[limber lion]

not even 15.3k sim

newb

[spice spire]

Damn

[timid cloud]

My alt has good weapons. sMIleE hehe xd

[ebon notch]

S P O O N E D

[subtle tundra]

Good point

[timid cloud]

I want to pass away.

[limber lion]

But yeh I basically got no upgrade last week, not even a socket

[muted ivy]

[limber lion]

Oh well

[thorn fjord]

So then on opened we cab flag > rupture > vend > shiv > mut > vanish > env > mfd > ct?

[limber lion]

I guess it was good for the reclear we did xd

[limber lion]

[timid cloud]

I can't wait to sandbag on Skolex will doing this new rotation.

I'm gonna have SO much fun tonight!

[thorn fjord]

Pins are for mid fight Application though... asking about opener and incorporating vanish

Or am I not seeing it

[timid cloud]

No, that's the opener.

[thorn fjord]

Kk

St sin swimming higher for me now than sub

Simming*

[limber lion]

?

It literally says "Opener"

[thorn fjord]

My eyes are bad then lol

Mb

[limber lion]

all good

but yeah just flag rup mfd ct vend shiv

[timid cloud]

That's probably what will throw me off the most.

[agile geode]

cev the play for venthyr is nadja or theotar? i know that theotar sim a bit more but i dont like to play with umbrella

[timid cloud]

Using MFD for CT instead of another Envenom in the Flag window.

[agile geode]

is it imperative to play with theo or i can remain stick with nadja?

[limber lion]

I honestly play Nadja on most fights

[agile geode]

kk

[thorn fjord]

Same @timid cloud

[timid cloud]

Did your LP outsim your WPS, Cev?

[limber lion]

Nah

[bleak sky]

damn I got the best drop from vault

[wide ridge]

i remember cev saying that theotar with 3% haste tea is better(?) than nadjia or close enough or something like that

[limber lion]

It used to but for some reason WPS is super ahead now

[thorn fjord]

I've got a 259 ooze I'm considering Luling up

[timid cloud]

Hmm...

[limber lion]

I would say that I want that but currently I have no use for it

[thorn fjord]

But I know as soon as I do I'll get a Phial next week

[slow marsh]

i got that last week

[limber lion]

but suuuuurely I'll end up needing to get some

[slow marsh]

and this week socketed the streets crit haste neck

[timid cloud]

Huge crafter sockets. Can't wait for you to put that in the helm, king.

[wide ridge]

holding that socket for whenever you get the bis from vault, king

[timid cloud]

I got the gambit neck, no socket, alt got a socket, I am upsetti.

Just gotta wait until a shit vault week.

[bleak sky]

tfw not a single socket worthy piece equipped

[timid cloud]

oofie.

Also crit outsimming my haste, I gotta resim, since I forgot to add in CT

[gusty mirage]

Tfw when you socket the shit crit mastery ring off mythic guardian and then get a sick belt next week without a socket

[undone eagle]

Do I still craft lego with 4 piece haste +crit or should i do mastery + ?

cuz of the poison dmg

[timid cloud]

The Skolex belt?! I'm gonna COOOOOOOOOOOOOM

[gusty mirage]

No

Not the skolex belt

[brazen zodiac]

hi oxi

[gusty mirage]

Girdle of shattered dreams

Hi friend

[spice spire]

Does it have avoidance?

[slow marsh]

no

[viscid spear]

They're very uncoordinated though

[spice spire]

Lesser neck then

[brazen zodiac]

i was lookin at ur logs last night on a few bosses, noticed you envenomed in MA in opener

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9ph9Z2MCjZgK7KzneYheK6

[spice spire]

So are we tbf

[limber lion]

ey I got it to 15.4k

[brazen zodiac]

guess thats the play? i kinda vanish then mut CT for the bleed lol

[slow marsh]

[viscid spear]

Yeah but we don't have someone refusing to play anything other than Survival and bombing hard.

[brazen zodiac]

thats a lot of mastery

[thorn fjord]

Jesus

I'm only at 13.8 k

[spice spire]

Guess you’re about to get the shock of your life when I’m a survival main

[slow marsh]

your sim doesn't follow pins

[viscid spear]

I'll just transfer my Druid and also play Feral

[limber lion]

Yeh sim is dumbo

[slow marsh]

so could be more

[limber lion]

Feel free to slap another +100 there

[agile geode]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cwFFe9i3KiQVyGgf5DkLYm

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d5mUVmGvUKKzhvTxsb4tLE

[gusty mirage]

👀

[agile geode]

what would you do?

[spice spire]

Biggest meme guild - 3 sin rogues 2 ferals and 1 survival hunter

[spice spire]

Roll your tea and if it’s low rolling; swap to nadjia

[agile geode]

kk

[timid cloud]

Now now, don't be so...HASTE-TEA...

[gusty mirage]

I’m muting you for this

[timid cloud]

🥁

Badum tss

[timid cloud]

But I miss you... 💔

[scenic kelp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u1ZeH9nsABmsnNCLKrcJ1h
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ffb5zL6iGNViBZhJck9zqz

someone know why i sim 250dps lower? 0o

[thorn fjord]

These Sims make me feel sad :pepehands:

[scenic kelp]

nvm

running dungeon slice

[undone eagle]

Guys , as 4 piece set + double lego, what should my Lego upgrade be as stats?

still crit + haste?

[limber lion]

Yes

[undone eagle]

aight cheers 🙂

[brazen zodiac]

i gotta trasnfer from area52 now cuz of this

but ngl i laughed :(

[timid cloud]

Lol.

291 Chest for Dusk lookin' kinda sexi...it's only 36k

Meanwhile the ring is 76k I dunno...

[junior rampart]

Hello 🙂 Elegy trinket any good for rogue?

[limber lion]

Not really

[junior rampart]

Thank you, Cev

[limber lion]

Who can guess what is my worse stat outside of off-hand dps?

:')

[limber lion]

np

[timid cloud]

Crit.

[brazen zodiac]

hey if i post my kill of skolex logs may you guys check it out? i think im doin somethin wrong with casting ct during vendetta/after vendetta ends

[timid cloud]

OH we flamin' badbtch

Jk

[brazen zodiac]

dont flame me ive had a rough morning i spilt my cofffee and my dog stole my grilled cheese sandwich

u can take my grilled cheese but anything but the coffee

[timid cloud]

I actually did have my dog yoink the sandwich of mine off the table once lol.

[thorn fjord]

Your days gonna suck at some point too when that dog shirs the grilled cheese

[brazen zodiac]

its so troll dude

[thorn fjord]

Shits*

[brazen zodiac]

i go to get food from outside come back hes just rolled over and looks x10 times fatter then before

like cmmon

[wide ridge]

i dont think you should cast ct when vendetta is ending but i might be wrong (with 4p of course)

[limber lion]

haste is my worst stat

mastery is my best stat

[brazen zodiac]

yeah its with 4pc

[limber lion]

what a beautiful timeline

[timid cloud]

No shot.

Real?

Is that with IQD?

[limber lion]

Yes

[timid cloud]

This really is the worst timeline.

[spice spire]

Oshosi fanboy?

[brazen zodiac]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jPKQatkhMYcN4xw3#fight=10&type=casts&source=20&view=timeline discount the fact i forgot you envenom in MA lul

[limber lion]

fanboy of change

[spice spire]

Mastery fans = oshosi stans

[spice spire]

[timid cloud]

Oh yeah, I forgot to ask.

What does your cubert doobert give you stat wise?

[ebon notch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2WTNVEj7kHgSBog6MaFZM4

prayge for mythic sigil

[limber lion]

You don't, so don't worry

[ebon notch]

[pure bridge]

Quick question about CT, I know its a must for cleave and when approaching the vandetta 4pc rotation, but is it still a neutral cast for the 40 or so seconds in between these burst windows?

[limber lion]

But yeah you should have done Muti Env Muti CT, you're just overlapping CT there for no reason

You also use Sigil too early

You should use it with the Vendetta, not 5s prior

[brazen zodiac]

yeah ik

caught those 2

[limber lion]

Otherwise looks good, nothing major

[brazen zodiac]

ah kk

[ebon notch]

easy macro for vendetta

[spice spire]

As long as you have CT talented,you’ll use CT ST

[pure bridge]

Cool thanks

[spice spire]

Just maintain it as a dot, no spammerino

Np and gl

[brazen zodiac]

sorry are you talking about before vanish or vanish mut evn mut ct

[limber lion]

vanish muti env muti ct

[brazen zodiac]

ah ok

thanks all

[limber lion]

all

guess I've got multiple personalities

[brazen zodiac]

coffee does that

[spice spire]

Mentally ill rogues, as per usual

Ig

[limber lion]

just finished an energy drink myself

ready to pump heroic/normal

[timid cloud]

lol

[limber lion]

jk we don't do normal anymore

[gusty mirage]

Brag about it

[timid cloud]

What about that gym workout with the EDM in the back?

[limber lion]

hey now

[timid cloud]

We're Jailed within Normal.

Please free us, oh savior Cev.

[wide ridge]

@limber lion how much mastery do you have rn?

[spice spire]

Quakewar is freed from her normal lockout slavery this week

[timid cloud]

LOL

Are you holding it on that one?

[spice spire]

[ebon notch]

normal is now optional for us

[spice spire]

Yep

[timid cloud]

Option: Do you want to get benched, or not?

See you at Normal.

[spice spire]

So any pug my guild would form I helped with I had to do tier bosses on rogue

[limber lion]

300

[gusty mirage]

Who?

[timid cloud]

262 daggers outsimming my EON's...something is not quite right here...

[vestal wren]

nice

[limber lion]

Crit is my highest stat, followed by haste

Mastery is the best stat by far

[vestal wren]

you playing the wrong spec

😉

[limber lion]

But I can't drop any crit because that would mean my IQD procs haste

which is not what we want

[timid cloud]

My Sub sim is poo-poo Fuu. ):

[limber lion]

nor do I want anymore haste because that would mean the same thing

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

So we want mastery because it doesn't conflict with the IQD

[gusty mirage]

Weren’t you the one sharing stats from legion claiming it’ll “probably be an assassination tier” because of some % gain from tier set?

[vestal wren]

thats normal, you need to use subtlety legendary items to make it sim good

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

My sub sims 400 dps less than my assa

[vestal wren]

no

i was saying if sin is on par or ahead