assassination

[balmy condor]

it just transfers

if you refresh in pandemic, it starts anew with a tick

and just calcs from scratch

[slow marsh]

Why is whispyr explaining haste dots

[balmy condor]

someone asked

[cerulean nest]

any tips on Pantheon/Lords with 4pc? will be my first time with it this week

[slow marsh]

O

[visual prairie]

ok, now. if my bagged salad says best by 3/20. when is it worst by?

assume i have 18% haste

[balmy condor]

so packaged lettuce usually lasts for about 3-5 days pasted the printed best by date

so using that as a metric, and considering the average

you should be good to go with that salad on 3/24

and it would be gone on 3/25

[misty holly]

I have to assume those bagged salad best by dates assume people will eat half wilted gross lettuce.

Always consume that stuff asap

[wild beacon]

H tier gloves (currently on 2/4 legs/chest) or the 278 i can make into tier soon. i'm thinking i wait to see what i get in raid tonight. note that i'm unlikely to ever kill M rygelon.

[misty holly]

Bagged coleslaw is a bit more durable, at least it doesn't wilt.

[fleet whale]

if you keep food frozen, it will last longer technically

[slow marsh]

Well considering rygelon drops chest

[balmy condor]

the definition of the "best by date" on an item tells you when the item is of the best quality actually

[fleet whale]

but make sure you eat it right away after defrosting it

[slow marsh]

And that head is the best statted head

Depends on if you want to wait two weeks or not

[fleet whale]

and as far as my experience goes, milk goes bad on the "best by date" day

sometimes even the day prior

[real bay]

here milks good like 3 days after best by date, just depends how they date it

[slow marsh]

Where is here.

[misty holly]

Take the helmet, save for the recraft thing.

[real bay]

finland

[slow marsh]

Here is where

[real bay]

its done on purpose

[fleet whale]

do candy bars ever go bad? assuming they are never opened and not sitting in the sun

[mossy sable]

Most of the time I see "Use By Date" Or "Sell by Date"

I work catering

So I get used to noticing

[misty holly]

Yes, but most candy bars will last for a couple years.

And even then, it's more they will become gross, probably not dangerous to eat.

[cerulean nest]

sub pulling ahead on pantheon huh?

[misty holly]

Like if you are in zombie apocalype and you find a candy vending machine

don't worry about it.

even if its been a few years

[strange python]

deeper in m+ or stay vigor? o-o

[real bay]

apparently you can eat 70 year old cookies and chocolate, like that one guy on ytube, Steve1989

[misty holly]

The guides say Deeper, but vigor actually was simming better for me

[real bay]

taste might not be great

[misty holly]

and that 50 energy buffer is nice

[strange python]

maybe depends on haste?

[misty holly]

Not sure, I have quite a bit of haste. Maybe the guides are assuming full 278 gear

which I dont have yet

[novel arrow]

@balmy condor Thanks for the explaination! ❤️ I just didn't know if our dots ticked faster or we just have to lump thing at the end and thats how they calculated it. I see now it's both

[raven vapor]

do we always follow the same cast sequence as the opener during flag+vend regardless of pandemic or play around pandemic?

[balmy condor]

pandemic during vendetta with 4 piece is half as long, but you should always play around pandemic

pandemic is a very important mechanic

[celest ruin]

im dumb, do we use vendetta after getting max flag stacks for haste snapshot or use them both at the same time

[misty holly]

Has anyone calculated if, or by how much, you should overclip a pandemic rupture at the end of vendetta? (with 4 set)

Like, say I have 2 seconds left on vendetta and a full combo point bar. Rupture is showing 9 seconds left

do I refresh?

[hollow river]

Rotation is in the pins yo

[balmy condor]

you vendetta 4 seconds into flag to get the most haste for the longest time

[hollow river]

[wild beacon]

rotation in pins says:

making sure to reapply gar/rup toward the end of Vendetta.

[limber lion]

There is no secret specific number which you do overlap the pandemic and when you don't

[stray mural]

Does this apply to CT

[limber lion]

Does it say CT?

[celest ruin]

ok for some reason i thought haste on vendetta snapshotted on cast and can never be increased or decreased until it ends

[novel arrow]

@balmy condor So during vendetta we are just spam rupture garroting till the cows come home? And fit in envenoms when we can?

[red plaza]

No

[novel arrow]

no?

[balmy condor]

You maintain everything like normal, dots are just going twice as fast

It doesn’t actually change your rotation that much

[red plaza]

And if you’re Venthyr add CT in to that mix

[limber lion]

Playing Venthyr means having to play CT and MFD as well, which quite a few people seem to despise

[subtle tundra]

time passes so slow*(cant english) on halondrus holy shit this is pain

[rotund oak]

me like halondrus,its a training dummy

[heavy vessel]

Does only Venth play CT? Why?

[brazen zodiac]

for tyrannical, would it be better to go venthyr for prio despite dslice sims favoring necro marlieth by 300?

[bleak sky]

not doing mythic I guess?

doesn't look like a training dummy

[subtle tundra]

no, cause venthyr with full aoe setup is worse than nf

[limber lion]

Because Venthyr gets so much haste from Flag and more haste means faster bleeds which means more bleed damage which means ct better

[rotund oak]

true,havent gone into mythic yet

[brazen zodiac]

assuming 4pc?

[heavy vessel]

makes sense

[rotund oak]

its also in the pins^^

[slow marsh]

you sure?

[rotund oak]

(the bleed sniping tech)

[brazen zodiac]

honestly i havent simmed nf yet so idk. guessin koryan's the go-to but gonna check rq

[slow marsh]

korayn is good for aoe ye

venth just suffers a bit from taking subt instead of MA

[rotund oak]

we dreamweaver 3p ST for aoe necro is the go

whispyr has spoken

[subtle tundra]

i havent simmed, but it makes omega sense in my head
venthyr is only better since it plays MA+MFD
nf plays subt+ds
in m+ you play subt+ds

[subtle tundra]

y, 4pc

[brazen zodiac]

hm guess ill sim nf rq

[slow marsh]

ye which is what i thought too

i haven't simmed it in dslice cuz really who cares but in raid settings with adds

or 2t

[brazen zodiac]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4bx5MeEnfyBjUuu8ioGT5a

pog necro 4life

[slow marsh]

necro always gonna win the dslice wut

[brazen zodiac]

oh ik lul

just thought venthyr was gonna be better for tyran cause i remember readin dusk could be good in m+ for tyrannical

[subtle tundra]

dusk is always best m+

wdym

[brazen zodiac]

idk zold always simmed better + saw it was an option so

[subtle tundra]

with 4pc?

[brazen zodiac]

mhm

[slow marsh]

zold still sims better with adds n stuff ye

but you should still take dusk

[brazen zodiac]

even on tyran?

i mean fort

[slow marsh]

yeh

y not

[tight ginkgo]

wh-

[brazen zodiac]

idk just felt zold would be better on fort xd

[hollow river]

Somebodies trying to armory watch

[tight ginkgo]

You caught me! But really though out of all the names for google to pull up when i google "ceverion wowarmory"

[viscid spear]

HC Skolex dagger in vault

I have N Lih dagger and HC EoN, is it time to retire the Edge?

[thin trout]

[viscid spear]

say HC SotFO beats M EoN

[pseudo hamlet]

How are you guys opening on bosses in M+? I mean with the relics?

[subtle tundra]

i kindly remind my friends on discord that i am not sub and cant evis x4 the relic to kill the correct one fast

[zinc frost]

Just slam envenoms

[pseudo hamlet]

I am just garroting Uhr + boss, then rupture on boss + Uhr dismantler -> focus on boss (with CT)

[subtle tundra]

i havent played enough tbh

[thorn fjord]

I'm toxic and just stay on boss and hope the rest of my group targets Uhr LOL

using the adds with Shuriken Tornado lol

[slow marsh]

i do that fancy thing called swapping to sub for the easy cruise to completion

[thorn fjord]

^^^^

Big yep

[subtle tundra]

i wonder if i play with my team and dont 4x evis each time

how many times do we get the wrong one

[zinc frost]

I garrote the relic if I can be bothered usually they die by the other classes I run with that do damage. Other than that just bleeds up it and focus boss, usually does quick

[drowsy parcel]

whats the venthyr mfd opener if i already have snd

if i theoretically force my raid to have a 25s pulltimer and pre mfd

[thorn fjord]

They must really love you if theyre willing to do that lol

[drowsy parcel]

[strange python]

i dont like 4 piece in keys omg xd

[subtle tundra]

its hard

[limber lion]

Garrote - Mutilate - Flag - Rup - MFD - CT - Vend

[kindred rapids]

I'd be kinda tempted to stick with zold

[strange python]

im playing on a laptop and can barely see which target is vendettad

[kindred rapids]

but I run sub in keys anyways

[limber lion]

I've tried simming Mutilate - Rup - Mutilate - Gar - Flag before

and it just somehow falls flat in comparison to Gar - Muti - Flag

[kindred rapids]

I don't know how to open on sausage

feels like you should save mfd for add

[limber lion]

Yeh

[drowsy parcel]

cool thanks cev

[kindred rapids]

but it gets really awkward

[limber lion]

np

[kindred rapids]

especially when noone wants to spread for first circle 😩

I'm thinking about just cloaking the first circle though

so other melee don't kill me

[stray forge]

how do i use cache of artifacts or w/e....do i need to time certain buffs or just let them go and do normal rotation?

[subtle tundra]

dude im so sick of this raid
every. single. boss. has. circles. so MANY CIRCLES I CANT ANYMORE CIRCLES CIRCLES

MAKE IT SQUARE

[next dune]

Blizz loves their swirly circles the same color as the floor mechanic

[limber lion]

Just use the axe everytime

[woven ruin]

For those that have 2pc, is there a way to tell how much it does? Is it noticable in raid compared to keys?

[viscid spear]

Why not rhombuses?

[kindred rapids]

So I got 278 dagger and 278 sinsoaked waders with leech in my vault this week. My plan is to get the dagger from M skollex then take the waders from vault.

what could go wrong

I know I should just take the weapon but waders are so good

[subtle tundra]

there is 285 feet in the raid

from le jailer kekw

[kindred rapids]

No rylegon I thought

Still tier will be almost over by the time I get those

Imagine using moccasins for most of the tier

92 vers 🤮

[subtle tundra]

i said feet

arent sinsoaked waders feet

[limber lion]

Yes, very much so

It's quite a chunkable upgrade

[limber lion]

Yes

but Rygelon is the one that drops the feet

not Jailer

Jailer drops the neck and waist

and 2 shitty trinkets

[carmine dawn]

Hey cev I forgot to ask but since the new tech do you think ass is viable on more of the bosses?

Or still only ST only fights?

[subtle tundra]

oh i must've misclicked

[carmine dawn]

I guess viable isn’t the word, cause 2t fights have always been viable, but like could you send an ass rogue to an add the same way sub does on pantheon

[subtle tundra]

cev and i are both assa only both 6 bosses on mythic

[subtle tundra]

thats what i did on prototype

[carmine dawn]

Alright ima play ass this week

[subtle tundra]

as long as you have 4p, i firmly believe you should play whatever youre more comfortable with

[limber lion]

I mean our target-swapping is still terrible, so you wouldn't send an assa rogue to take care of an add necessarily

But Assa is definitely really good on pretty much every single fight

[slow marsh]

^

[limber lion]

I was already typing out all the fights that Assa is good at and I noticed myself typing every single encounter

[carmine dawn]

Yeah I have your pre-tech list

[slow marsh]

just doesn't fill the same role as sub rogues for most

[carmine dawn]

In my notes

But I’m laying in bed

[limber lion]

Yeah, Sub is a bit better on stuff like Anduin/Hal/Jailer, but that's about it.

Assa is not too far behind Halondrus for example, so if you're more comfortable playing Assa, you should def just stick to it imo

[oak sky]

assa on lords with the changes

[limber lion]

Assa will pop off on Lords

[oak sky]

dude

deathspike never felt so good

[fleet whale]

honestly in today's wow, you can clear mythic with just about any spec you want

[oak sky]

you can clear mythic with any spec you want

ftfy

[hollow escarp]

raids were harder back in the day

[carmine dawn]

Ok and I’ve been hitting a dummy and have a rotational question. And yeah I know I read the pin

So you refresh all bleeds before vendetta falls off? And that’s what snapshotting is?

[devout prism]

with 2p should I stick with necrolord for lords/pantheon if those are the only fights I swap to assassination?

[carmine dawn]

And pandemic doesn’t matter, just refresh them anyway before vendetta is up?

[hollow river]

you bleeds snapshot your haste

during vendetta

the overhang for your bleeds at the end of vendetta isn't exactly a snapshot

[carmine dawn]

Cause they bleed so fast anyway

[hollow river]

but the added haste from flag, or any haste trinkets is snapshot for the duration of the bleeds

[kindred rapids]

it's still a snapshot

[hollow river]

it's not

[kindred rapids]

the vendetta effect snapshots

[hollow river]

it's an overhang as far as i know

[kindred rapids]

and haste snapshots

[hollow river]

not exactly a snapshot

that's what whispyboi told me

[carmine dawn]

So even if rupture has like 15 seconds left, still refresh if it’s my last finisher under vend?

[kindred rapids]

It is, the entire tick rate snapshots on application including the 4pc effect and haste

[hollow river]

well you shouldn't end up in that situation

[kindred rapids]

The 4pc effect could be dynamic

[hollow river]

but yeah kinda

the haste snapshots yes

any bleeds applied when you have added haste, those bleeds snapshot that haste

for their entire duration

[carmine dawn]

Is there just a large chance everything is in pandemic at the end of vendetta because of timers?

[kindred rapids]

You can consider the 4pc effect itself to snapshot as well

[hollow river]

im saying the bleeds you reapply at the end of vendetta, that interaction isn't exactly a snapshot

[kindred rapids]

In the sense that it doesn't fall off when vendetta ends

That's exactly what snapshotting means

[hollow river]

if you play it right it should be close yeah

because you have to squeeze 1 envenom into your vendetta at least for SnD

[carmine dawn]

Yeah that makes sense

[hollow river]

i believe Cev has some precise reapply timings

so that you can get the most out of your vendettas

[carmine dawn]

And the dmg increase works as soon as you press vend? Which is why you pre-apply all bleeds?

[hollow river]

like reapplying your 2nd garrote a little early

so it's off CD for the over hang

[hollow river]

ye

[carmine dawn]

Ok I think I understand

[hollow river]

damage and tick rate update

[carmine dawn]

Gotta hit a dummy

[hollow river]

then as you reapply bleeds with haste from Flag, that haste persists for the duration of those bleeds

no matter what

til you reapply again

[carmine dawn]

And scenario where something is falling off let’s say

The prio is snd>gar>rup>ct?

[hollow river]

ye something like that

[carmine dawn]

Like I can let ct fall off

For a finisher

[hollow river]

you should only end up letting CT fall off

to envenom once

[carmine dawn]

Exactly my thought

Just confirming

[hollow river]

CT becomes so short

lol

[carmine dawn]

Yeah it’s nuts on anything over 1t

Fun tho

[kindred heron]

would going venth and popping CDs during the swarm put venth ahead of necro on lords?

[timid cloud]

I don’t think so.

[hollow river]

umm

i think we already go venth for lords

[craggy oak]

What are we doing in say m+ as sin with 4pc, get 4 garrotes up, ct, vend, shiv, vanish into 4 more garrotes, reaply ct, then rupture inbetween applying ct.

Whats worked bestt for you guys

[timid cloud]

It just means we save Vendetta for Swarms. Which I just liked sending….

[kindred heron]

It basically lines up

[oak sky]

no we definitely didn't, at least not optimally

now idk

[carmine dawn]

Ag what do major cool downs look like

[hollow river]

i meant now

[carmine dawn]

Hold flag right

For vend

[oak sky]

don't ask me any rotational questions i dont have 4p

[limber lion]

Honestly it just comes down to practice and playing around with combo points during Vendetta

[oak sky]

but yeah you just like sync your shit

[limber lion]

If you're at 6s of Vendetta left, you should be aware that you'll be able to use 2 more finishers, but not 3

Meaning you don't want to use Rupture at that point

and should hold off from using Rupture at 6s

because you have to reapply it at 1-2s anyways

[oak sky]

and of course jake i was yoking about questions im happy to answer i just want an excuse to complain about not having 4p

[carmine dawn]

Is rupture always your last finisher in vend

[limber lion]

It just comes with practice where you'll figure out the timings and the understanding of how many finishers you can fit in the vendetta window before it drops off and so on

It should be, yes.

Followed by a garrote or viceversa

[carmine dawn]

Right that was my next question

Is last finisher setup always include a gar and rup

[limber lion]

Yup

[carmine dawn]

So ideally CT is the odd man out

[limber lion]

And that comes from knowing that garrote has a 6s cd, so you have to use it at 7s (and 13s) the latest to get the extra garrote in

[carmine dawn]

If you refresh it at second to last finisher

It’s already in pandemic when vendetta falls

[limber lion]

if you use a garrote at 5s left of Vend, you won't be able to fit in a garrote before Vend drops

Yes, CT is just the extra bit

You don't have to worry about it too too much

[carmine dawn]

Ok ct is just icing that’s a good mentality

[limber lion]

You apply it and it drops off in like 4s already

Garrote and Rupture matter more because they actually fuel you energy inside (and shortly after) the Vendetta windows

CT is just damage

[carmine dawn]

Makes sense

How does all this change with 2t

[limber lion]

It really doesn't, you continue applying garrote to your main target only

making sure to maintain rupture on both

using CT as a filler

I'm sure there's a bunch of minmaxing that could be done and added to the apl on multiple targets

[carmine dawn]

And I saw vanish is still used as a mutilate farm

For crit and cp

[limber lion]

Yes

With other covenants you would play Subterfuge and you'd garrote both targets with it

but that's about it

[carmine dawn]

How come subterfuge doesn’t play a role

[oak sky]

MA CP good

[carmine dawn]

Yeah 4Cp from 1 mut is goated

[limber lion]

The CP gain from MA is super loaded

[oak sky]

worst feeling is gettin 2cp from a vanish mut in opener

[limber lion]

It

1. reduces the cooldown of Flag, allowing for better sync
2. gives more haste, enabling more damage from bleeds/snapshots

[hollow river]

Has anyone with 4p done lords since reset

[limber lion]

Tomorrow :')

[hollow river]

I know but I have to do it tn

[limber lion]

what do you want to know?

[hollow river]

Impatient to see how we’re going to do is all

[limber lion]

Fair

[hollow river]

My gameplay with 4p is probably atrocious

I completely neglected rupture on off target during vendettas

Last time

[kindred rapids]

still using zoldyck on lod?

[hollow river]

But we delay rupturing off target in opener don’t we?

To get vend shiv on CD

[hollow river]

Dusk

[slow marsh]

\

[limber lion]

Never have with 4p

[hollow river]

/

[red plaza]

Are you gonna stream so we can all copy your VODs? 😉

[limber lion]

I might give it a shot

If it destroys my fps, I'll just have to end it

[carmine dawn]

The stream or your life

[limber lion]

Yes.

[kind talon]

[viscid spear]

[carmine dawn]

how long can i hold things to sync them up

[kind talon]

You just hold vendetta for flag

Should be like 10s

[carmine dawn]

ok

[ebon notch]

cev stream? 😮

[carmine dawn]

use everything else on CD and blast?

like usual

shiv and MFD

or is 4cp > flag > rup/env
MFD > CT >Vend +Shiv > envenoms always what you try to do

i know its in pins but am i saving mfd for it too? the 13 second rule?

[kind talon]

Yes

Mfd should always line up tho

Flag is 60 seconds mfd is 30

So if you use mfd on CD it will be up

[carmine dawn]

does 2 envenoms in shiv window not apply anymore

envenom is primarily used to keep SND up right?

[kind talon]

Yeah it doesn’t matter

[carmine dawn]

and when everything is not in pandemic

[kind talon]

2 envenoms in shiv window never really mattered

[carmine dawn]

well when we didnt have CT it was a nice thing to aim for

[kind talon]

People just go super nerd over envenoms in MA when mutilating in MA for cp is just as good

[slow marsh]

ye

[kind talon]

Crit shiv envenoms!!!!

(Deals 1% attack damage per combo point)

[ebon notch]

bruh if you ever crit an envenom for 25k

you'd know how good it was

[slow marsh]

and now envenom is next to nothing

[kind talon]

Then you are playing kyrian

[slow marsh]

cuz it was always bad kekw

[kind talon]

Slamming kyrian sin envenoms

MA MFD vanish er envenom mfd envenom

[bleak sky]

delet this

[kind talon]

[frosty cedar]

i must say, im really enjoying this 4pc gameplay for sin

basically never pressing envenom is so pog

[hollow river]

Bro stack 50% mastery and hit some enevenoms during MA

[frosty cedar]

🧠 neuron activation

[hollow river]

I remember slapping tarragrue for 30Ks

[fleet whale]

not pressing envenom much is kind of eww to me

[frosty cedar]

dot spec

[hollow river]

It’s our worst spell

It’s filler

[frosty cedar]

remove envenom just give us a devouring plague bleed

or poison I guess

[winged basin]

do lightblood elixers still work in mage tower?

[kind talon]

So true

[fleet whale]

ehhh seeing some bad takes in here

[kind talon]

Remove envenom and make all our finishers dot

[frosty cedar]

same duration as envenom buff and then when its active we get poison proc % increase

[hollow river]

What are those

[winged basin]

I remember using them in legion

lightblood makes me do more damage to demons

[fleet whale]

that was fixed in legion btw for mage tower

so i doubt they work now

[winged basin]

damn

[hollow river]

The heirloom works

That buffs damage done to demons

[winged basin]

ooh gotcha

I am just bashing my head on Agatha

and wanted to cheese it

cause im bad

[kind talon]

Just kill it bro

[hollow river]

Just do the assa challenge

[kind talon]

Agatha is definitely easier

[winged basin]

I am on my ele sham

🙂

[kind talon]

Than the sin challenge

[winged basin]

trying to get both

[kind talon]

Agatha is like a can of beans bro

[jade abyss]

I miss kingsbane :x

[fleet whale]

as do i

but sadly, many people in this disc don't 😦

don't you need to do all three challenges to get the xmog? I haven't tried the SL mage towers yet

[winged basin]

nah

just one, if thats the case, I quit lmfaoooo

[hollow river]

Wasn’t for me

Idk why but I did not like that encounter

[kind talon]

Maybe you are not an outlaw mfd reset gamer

You literally just have to swap to the adds and mfd st them down

[hollow river]

I definitely am

[fleet whale]

in theory, the sin challenge is def the easiest of the three due to how predictable the mechanics are

but idk how the tuning is for it now

[hollow river]

The imps just took forever to die for me

Even with mfd etc

[fleet whale]

how is xylem

[hollow river]

Phase 1 is easy

Phase 2 dps check is somehow hard

[fleet whale]

well those 2 adds for sub would be a pain, I was only able to do it in legion due to the glaives trinket

[hollow river]

You have to kite the boss

Very specifically

[fleet whale]

I'm more concerned about the adds in phase 2, sub's toolkit now is quite a bit different than what it was in legion

[carmine dawn]

am i holding everything for when flag comes up

seems weird

i keep having a spot where im holding vanish for like 20 seconds? is that wrong

[hollow river]

Vendetta yes

You only hold shiv for up to 12 sec

For vendetta

Idk about vanish

I imagine you want it with Flag but idk

[carmine dawn]

mfd is weirdly not syncing either but idk thats easier to spend willy nilly

[dull osprey]

Thinking about it, seems like saving vanish for vend+flag makes sense

[hollow river]

You just hold every other mfd

Wdym

[carmine dawn]

ok hold every other is ez

idk if assa can hit 30 stacks without vanish

[hollow river]

I think the rule is hold mfd 15 sec for flag

[dull osprey]

I have a question about CT

obvi we want it during flag vend

what is the rule outside of that?

[carmine dawn]

its just uptime

[bleak sky]

Keep it up

[carmine dawn]

doesnt give energy regen like gar and rup do

[dull osprey]

Cause I feel like I'm doing nothing but spending on bleeds atm

[carmine dawn]

so its low prio but keep it up

[bleak sky]

That's the spec yes

[dull osprey]

ah fair

[bleak sky]

Envenom just to keep snd up

[dull osprey]

[carmine dawn]

@dull osprey fun fact: mastery is supposed to be the class fantasy

[dull osprey]

Yeah that makes sense

[carmine dawn]

but thats just a design philosphy

[dull osprey]

I just am used to dumping envenoms

[carmine dawn]

mastery is only good on some specs anyway

[bleak sky]

Yeah when you don't run CT you get to evenom more often

[dull osprey]

I was gonna take the dps loss to stick with fae

but that loss is ~600

too much lol

[carmine dawn]

night fae is ass just learn venthyr

[dull osprey]

I like it in pvp, but yeah

[carmine dawn]

venth is more punishing on sub when you need to time it with dance windows

its fun on sin

[dull osprey]

Yeah seems to line up with vend pretty close

[carmine dawn]

it used to be awkward as fuck without obedience

and we'd still run it cause its so good

[dull osprey]

oh hmm.. CT only adds 38 dps

but I suppose it also makes my cleave better

so worth learning

[carmine dawn]

it kinda changes the whole gameplay feel

so its worth getting used to

[dull osprey]

yeah I feel like teh switch to exang build back in bfa

which was so much fun

[timid cloud]

🧢

[dull osprey]

wa- I liked exang

[timid cloud]

[dull osprey]

lmao

[iron vigil]

What are our top two best single target trinkets?

[obtuse robin]

iv been doing the 4pc rotation even tho i dont have it just in preperation

dps loss but fuk it

[slow marsh]

bro i'm being trolled

i have to be

[bleak sky]

what's happening friend

[slow marsh]

im being trolled in my first night with new guild

so i look stupid

halondrus there's 15 people stacked behind him when walking and i had to pop all my defensives to live the first missiles while walking, then just die on 2nd. lihuvium was fine. then anduin tank dies and anduin turns around and smacks me insta

like wut is this

[bleak sky]

tank dies

[slow marsh]

bdk

twice

[bleak sky]

[slow marsh]

can't wait to see how i get trolled on lords here

[normal mist]

Iceblades not having a great time today

[novel arrow]

Hi

[brazen zodiac]

just wait till someone steals ur rygelon port and they blame you :(

[novel arrow]

Can anyone tell me how to use vanish if I have 4 set.

[limber lion]

depends on which talents you play

you either vanish to apply garrotes with subterfuge

or vanish to use mutilate/finishers

[strange python]

would you use subterfuge for something like daseugne

MA sounds better

[slow marsh]

this makes sense right

[kind talon]

????????

What

The fuck

[slow marsh]

i told you i got trolled bro

[kind talon]

Oh you hit the dirt

On halo

Oh I read it

[slow marsh]

yeee but i mean i'd rather have my public 2 vs private 99s tbh

feels good to be part of the world again

[kind talon]

Definitely not a vibe

But Pog

!!!!!

[slow marsh]

it'll get fixed

its nbd

[kind talon]

Not full clearing heroic anymore so

My outlaw rank is hard trolling me

Don’t even have a parse on skolex man

Only time I pulled that boss I walked in at 1 second on pull timer to hit it with tricks and it insta casts the melee hit and kills me and the other rogue

That guild always pulls early so we were on the blades edge but got giga punished

[carmine dawn]

i keep hitting 1 finisher short of 30 stacks

is that normal or am i doing something wrong

[nimble tartan]

lol mfs like u reaaaal interesting

[slow marsh]

smash harder

but ye outside of vanish around 25 is normal

[carmine dawn]

ok perfect

[untold nest]

Did you buy boost for those two bosses?? 😄

[slow marsh]

something like that

They told me the melee in this guild were pretty apey. Now I see why they say that.

[craggy oak]

Together apes are strong

[viscid spear]

[wide ridge]

without 4p, are we holding vendetta on pull on H lords?

or thats just wrong?

considering it doesnt come back for the first swarm

or we vend onpull and hold it for 2nd swarm

[spice spire]

Us

[viscid spear]

This group is hurting me in every way

[gritty pawn]

"Legendary choice:
Single Target: Duskwalker (after 4pc) > Dashing >= Doomblade "
Does this mean Dashing if you dont have 4pc or is it still Duskwalker? Few spots in FAQ that mention something is best with 4pc but not whether its still best without or what is without?

[viscid spear]

Dusk is only great as NF with 4pc

In terms of raiding, at least.

[spice spire]

Dusk is great with 4p

Period

[gritty pawn]

Ok, so whats great without any tier?

[viscid spear]

Well I'm hoping Venthyr is still viable at 4pc

[spice spire]

Once 4p you’ll either run dusk, or oddly Zoldyck’s for pantheon because maintaining that without is whack.

@gritty pawn there’s a spreadsheet in the 2/15 pin

[gritty pawn]

ty

[spice spire]

But the tl;dr.
DB/DS with unity.
Obedience as venthyr.
DB/DS as the rest.

For ST, Zoldyck’s for m+

[gritty pawn]

So Im just wanting to tryout assass in raid, would you recommend Dashing or Doom? I am venthyr with no tier

[zinc frost]

Sim yourself but dashing usually pulls ahead with venth using mfd

Assuming you have unity as well

[hollow nexus]

With double leggo?

[gritty pawn]

Ofc, cant see why anyone wouldnt be using double leggo now?

[hollow nexus]

Alt, maybe no gold for second leggo or just not caught up on the campaign

But yea, then sim it, most likely doomblade or dashing

[craggy oak]

Think youre a bit out of date, unless im missing some context, venth, dusk, 4pc is the play

[stray forge]

i mean i dont have gold but i just use the belt for 2nd leggo...works just fine

[strange python]

Going platforms on artificer with a DPS hold sucks

[dusk void]

What buff is best for ST with Cache of Acquired Treasures?

Seems like I way overcap on energy with the haste one

[umbral rapids]

!cache maybe

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[umbral rapids]

pog

[dusk void]

Ty!

Didn't realize that was a command already. Appreciate it, sorry

[umbral rapids]

dw

i wasn't sure if it was a thing in this channel ngl

[dusk void]

Should you just use it on CD or align with CDs?

[zinc frost]

Use it on CD when axe is up

[dusk void]

So dont worry about aligning it?

[timid cloud]

I got 4P today my gentlemen.

🥳

[zinc frost]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-point-gif-11195635

[timid cloud]

I am now a real boy, I will make the lads proud.

[dusk void]

1/5 gang sad

[balmy condor]

damn this gif hits hard

[timid cloud]

TOO SOON HELLO

[oak sky]

@balmy condor is earthbreakers heroic better than 246 fcm

just off the top of your head

[grim tangle]

yes

it is very good

[balmy condor]

^

[oak sky]

cool

fuck fcm

[echo geyser]

not updated profiles?

this gear must be NF right

venthyr usually likes fcm even more

[solid mica]

Is legion m+ gonna be perma too or just mt?

[echo geyser]

1 week

[solid mica]

How cool

When's it come out

[echo geyser]

12/13 april

[solid mica]

Better call of work to punish myself

"Vacation time"

[gritty pawn]

If I sim venthyr and nightfae conduits in Topgear does it sim correctly with covenant abilities and unity having the right effect or does it just go whacko and sim venthyr conduits with unity and or cov ability wrong?

[echo geyser]

u need to sim the soulbinds

• conduit

picking conduit only wont sim the covenants

[gritty pawn]

Yeah ofc haha, was more wondering if picking the soulbinds simmed the right covenant abilities or if there was an option to sim them somewhere and I was about to sim one covenants soulbinds with another covenants ability haha

[ebon notch]

@echo geyser wanna farm legion m+ together

We can funnel each other

[oak sky]

me and dekai farmed it together

[timid cloud]

I’m setting up the groups for my boys.

[oak sky]

we met legendary warrior main xeos-area52

[timid cloud]

I saw some of the lads I know in here farming it.

[west pilot]

Should I be going NF with 2p for ST?

[timid cloud]

No. 4P only.

[west pilot]

roger, ty

[timid cloud]

Speaking of which, I’m about to be a lot more broke making this legendary.

Can’t wait!

[split grail]

Well looks like I should probably learn sub. Problem is I've never once played it in 14 years of playing rogue

[clear finch]

I was praying to get my 4p out of vault. Had 6 chances every reset. Nada. Not any tier in vault yet this patch for me. I have 3 chances in raid left. H Ryg then normal Andy and ryg.

[west pilot]

Good luck man, finally got my legs today off normal Hal

[clear finch]

Fuck yeah grats!

[split grail]

I need chest or shoulders. Hopefully the 4pc will help my dps a bit but I'm at the bottom of my team right now

[gritty pawn]

Yeah rip, I have 1 tier piece but have gotten tier every week... same slot... every... week... thanks blizz🙏

[west pilot]

That's a different kind of lucky

[clear finch]

Idk what would feel worse... not getting any or getting the same piece.

I mean I know how not getting any feels tho haha

[split grail]

Is it next week we can make our own tier?

[clear finch]

Nope 😭

[gritty pawn]

week after

[clear finch]

The 12th if I remember correctly

[split grail]

Hmm...at least it's an option. Pretty cool really

[oak sky]

im the tierless wonder

still need to do normal

but its pretty doomed

[echo geyser]

im prob just solo q dps unless i find a full dh squad again for vault

just 4 dh + 1 rogue grp

no healer

better not be shit affixes that week

[ebon notch]

Idk what this emote means

[timber gale]

did a billion dmg on Halondrus and lihuvim tonight with 2p bless

And night fae

[ebon notch]

Is that the real scarizard

[slow marsh]

big doubt you did a billion damage. that's like a lot of dps and you're not sub

[ebon notch]

True assa only does some DPS not a lot

[amber fossil]

had my first purple parse tonight, on lords (94)

[slow marsh]

true sin only does good damage never a billion

need 2p buffed back to do a billion

[ebon notch]

Keep it up broski

[mortal pike]

I cant get my tanks to understand how skolex's first melee works

and I feel like ima blow my brains out

[ebon notch]

Tank closest to boss = ok tank not closest to boss = not ok

AT ALL TIMES

[mortal pike]

my prot paladin thinks by being at range he can generate holy power

before the boss hits him

and im trying to explain he just swivel hits nearest target lol

the second combat starts

and I feel like im going insane

[ebon notch]

Yes but explain that concept to him

Can he generate holy power while being closest? Great

If he cannot not great

Shroud him closer or smth idk maybe he's a brainlet

[mortal pike]

he wont go close in shroud

because

"I cant generate holy power before he hits me if im n ot at range"

like

b r u h

[ebon notch]

What the fuck does he need one holy power for before the boss hits him

Sotr is 3

He can just use his active mitigation to survive the initial hit and get rolling

Or ask the other tank to start while he puts down ashen

[mortal pike]

yea I dont even know

on a more poggers note I got 2 278 daggers and my edge is being out simmed now POG

[deft vault]

shadowgrasp is pretty good right?

[ebon notch]

Yes since we like high haste and it scales with haste

[deft vault]

got iqd but fuck that trinket

[ebon notch]

You can run a droptimizer and see what else Sims well

[oak sky]

theres some solid raid trinkets

[timid cloud]

Need that crabby dabby trinket.

[violet jackal]

does it sim well even if you don't hit all 3 weak points?

[thorn fjord]

4p boizzz

[mortal pike]

u hate getting a 100th percentile and just knowing by the end of the night it'll be gone

[balmy condor]

any lords of dread gamers

[mortal pike]

nah it was rygedong

same diff tho

[balmy condor]

I had 100 on heroic ryg for sub and then refreshed the page and was already rank 14

[mortal pike]

It do be like that sometimes

Ima savor it while I can

[zinc frost]

We take the small wins

[obtuse robin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8CuQz1p68tdpdFRr7KUvbi we are offiaclly 4pc gaming

i made a 291 dashing after no tier in vault thinking ok dps increase and because i just spent money on this the game will fuck me and give me last tier

[oak sky]

my last chance at tier

rn

normal anduin pug

[grim tangle]

I can help

wait no

I'm alliance

[oak sky]

its so doomed

[zinc frost]

Good luck king you got this

[ashen scroll]

we did a nearly full warrior/monk/rogue N halondrus to get someone their 4p, with only 2 ppl not on the token bc tank/heals. Those 2 ppl got tier. the warrior was sadge

[clear finch]

Dude

I would probably cry irl

[white orchid]

Subterfuge with 4 set? Even if MA is simming higher?

[obtuse robin]

pins

itsi nthere somwhere

for st

[proper tapir]

Where did we land with ambush, only with BS/Sepsis procs and Subt after garrote? Use mut with vanish/MA?

[obtuse robin]

god damn you 4pc

[balmy condor]

Whenever possible

So like with subt you would gar ambush

[proper tapir]

Okay, thank you!

[thin trout]

[rotund oak]

Might have to swap couple of gems for mastery or haste but Sylvie dagger loses to 272 dagger by 170dps https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kp64ptD7zVbBbvwyQpudMF

veyr happy to pull a 278 dagger this massive today

[hollow escarp]

[rotund oak]

pog

[hollow escarp]

indeed

bad part is that it is raid loot

[rotund oak]

im buffled if i should use IQD or FCM tbh

even low ilvl i think iqd is simbaiting af

[glass tulip]

you know the answer in your heart

[rotund oak]

😅

[hollow escarp]

I set IQD to proc stats only 10% and it was still better than the trinkets I had last week lol

it does provide huge value though

[rotund oak]

could upgrade it to 272 instantly if i wanted but idk,f that trinket rly

[glass tulip]

I need to get my phial to 272 this week

[rotund oak]

pressing iqd to heal for 80k a tank

[hollow escarp]

it is good for venthyr

[glass tulip]

if you use the macro it rarely messes up

[hollow escarp]

/use [@player] Inscrutable Quantum Device

[glass tulip]

or the long version

[rotund oak]

hmmm

[deft vault]

long version?

[rotund oak]

u mean /use [@rotund oak] iqd?

[glass tulip]

yeah im trying to find it

@player will always go to yourself

[hollow escarp]

at player should be enough

[rotund oak]

it targets urself?

ehhh

[vestal wren]

nicu

[high storm]

venthyr nadjia or theotar with 4 set 2-3-3-0-0-2-3 talents on bloodmallet say nadjia hight in St and Aoe

[deft vault]

adding @player will always give you stat?

[hollow escarp]

no

[glass tulip]

not necessarily but it is far more reliable

[hollow escarp]

it will avoid executing the boss

[rotund oak]

im confused

plz elaborate

[violet tusk]

Got a 278 IQD from vault that i can take. And i was wondering if it is still as good when you are nightfae? Or its better on venthyr.

[glass tulip]

#showtooltip 13
/focus target
/cleartarget
/use [@player,nodead,noharm]13
/target focus
/clearfocus

[hollow escarp]

if your target is below a certain % whenever you press IQD it will hit the boss for like 30-40k

[rotund oak]

is that good or bad in the greater picture

[hollow escarp]

it's bad

you want stats

but if the boss is like 2% hp

[rotund oak]

yeah tahts what i thought

[hollow escarp]

and you don't have vendetta

might as well press iqd

and get a 40k hit

[rotund oak]

yeah its pretty situational

but what about that macro uve talked about earlier

once used what does it provide

[hollow escarp]

you don't execute the boss with that macro

you at least have a chance to proc stats

or heal/give mana

[rotund oak]

my biggest concerned it the heal/mana rng thing

ild rather get a solid trinket reliable

[glass tulip]

According to iceblades it should avoid that as well unless I am mistaken

[hollow escarp]

tbf, if the value IQD provides is good enough for 1 use, I don't mind mana/heals for other uses

[glass tulip]

not 100% sure on taht one it was a while ago that we talked about it

[hollow escarp]

I'm not sure if it's smart or not to sim it with low % to proc stats

[rotund oak]

@slow marsh cough cough mr iceblades(sorry for the tag) what is with iqd?gief the tech

[hollow escarp]

but it still looks better than most trinkets with 1 use per fight

[balmy condor]

You can’t avoid mana/heal

Only thing you can avoid is execute

Mana/heal you can try to game with a weakaura and then holding till it won’t give you those things

[hollow escarp]

if you are here Whispyr, is the % chance to proc stats in raidbots reliable to get an accurate sim?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[hollow escarp]

nice

[rotund oak]

❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

plz elaborate with that WA

[balmy condor]

I usually sim 90% on iqd

[balmy condor]

There’s iqd weakauras out there that will tell you what you’re gonna get

So you stare at it

[rotund oak]

wait what

thats

ty

[balmy condor]

Until it says stats or execute

And then you hit your macro

[rotund oak]

❤️

[hollow escarp]

https://wago.io/LIs5d4X7U

[balmy condor]

But if you’re late in the fight and there’s no mana on your healers

Then it’ll never change

And you’ll just be sad

[rotund oak]

tyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

idk for healers,let them do their job

[hollow escarp]

yeah, break cc can also happen quite often if you are slowed

[rotund oak]

me pump

[balmy condor]

Or just don’t play venth sin

That way iqd isn’t bis

And you don’t have to play it

And you also love yourself more

[rotund oak]

i do like fae more

there is a point there

[balmy condor]

And don’t have to make excuses to yourself in the mirror every morning while you contemplate how you live with yourself

[hollow escarp]

the thing is, I had such bad trinkets that IQD simmed the best even for sub last week

[balmy condor]

Yikes

[hollow escarp]

yeah

I'm good now

[mortal pike]

I regret passing up 278 iqd in first week vault

[whole wadi]

looking at fuu's shadowlands sheet, is it just me or did the st sim change from favouring fae to venthyr or was i blind last time i looked?

[thin imp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[zinc frost]

Last week was when the new venth tech was discovered with snap shotting which made it better in ST over NF

[whole wadi]

oho whats this

[vestal wren]

ir changed yes

[zinc frost]

The latest pin has it detailed which makes venth the better option at ST

[vestal wren]

*it

[whole wadi]

aight thank

[vestal wren]

because venthyr is better due to vendetta snapshotting

there are also some apl improvements to come to gain slightly more output. would likely bring venthyr at around 17k

so on par with subtlety

[whole wadi]

good shit

[vestal wren]

NF is probably still the prefered choice as it plays a lot better

or necrolord on multi target fights

[kindred dune]

I feel like assa this week is total garbage on m+

😦

[whole wadi]

its tyranical, just destroy prio's and bosses and call it a gg

[rotund oak]

Whispyr was right,fae is more fluid and a better choice

plus we get to have seed

which is big

[subtle tundra]

Seed is for losers

It doesn't reset

[heavy forge]

that's what I like to hear

[vestal wren]

well up to the point i get some secret apl increases and gvie subtlety +200 dps

(just kidding most apl changes i do are within 0.1 to 0.3% lately)

[heavy forge]

ye ofc, still I'm not running topRWF content, and I had enough of sub in Sanctum, time to play with dots

so Sin it is :D

[empty hinge]

Is it worth running CT with 2p only

[vestal wren]

sin is perfectly fine

people just prefere sub atm because it is during early progress better

mostly due to sylvanas daggers

[agile geode]

guys if i play sin in raid and sub in m+ what stats do you suggest for unity recraft? crit mastery?

[frosty cedar]

sin is for giga chads. Sub is for plebs

[thin trout]

Hmm mastery is my highest stat atm

[heavy forge]

I'll just use 265 crit vers belt from the story in m+ and call it a day

have to sim the new 291 crit hast I'll craft but if it's lower than the belt I'll do that

[indigo mulch]

I think sub just plays bettet on a lot of early fights

But it also depends on what your raid needs tbh

[hollow escarp]

it also doesn't require that many covenant swaps mid raid

so you could play kyrian all the way up to anduin

even there probably

[subtle tundra]

ok 3/4 weekly vaults were omegapog

i likey

[hollow escarp]

share loot

[subtle tundra]

rogue

monk

[hollow escarp]

nice

[subtle tundra]

warrior

[hollow escarp]

my monk still 3 set gamer since week 2

[subtle tundra]

wait

on what character should i go to hc with

monk or warrior

[indigo mulch]

Warrior

Give the people angry battle shouts

[clear finch]

poggers, didnt drop on my H kill this morn but did on my N. 4p obtained fellow shadowblades.

[subtle tundra]

time to persuade my gm into letting me come with alts to hc

[vestal wren]

don't think he will before everyone has tier

[vestal wren]

gz

i need to pray for a drop

need halondrus legs or chest

maybe i get it on normal, i think my blp for heroic will give me either first or 2nd boss loot

[glass tulip]

come with me fuu, I got 3 leg drops last week

I'll trade you for helm

[subtle tundra]

youre kinda right, he just told me no but not for that reason xd
guess ill do a dirty, kill prototype and then dip cause i dont care about hc

[vestal wren]

team player right there

[subtle tundra]

i guess i do need hc shoulders

but i dont care enough

[vestal wren]

you could also go as a trader

but hence you got 4p you are like "na rather not"

team play ^^

[subtle tundra]

i also got invited tonight to go out with the boys and i declined

for an optional raid night

also my guild doesnt organize any alt stuff so its not like i can easily gear my alts

[vestal wren]

do they expect you to bring alts to raid?

if not, i understand why they want you to play for the guild

and not for yourself

its the same in most guilds

alts are fine but if you need a lot of tier pieces sitll, they are not welcome

[subtle tundra]

yea youre right. but my initial "upset" was bcs all of the monk/warrior/rogues have 4pc already

so me coming warrior instead of rogue meant nothing

only on some bosses aswell

not the high ilvl ones

[vestal wren]

only on tier bosses

[subtle tundra]

we only do tier bosses

[vestal wren]

how can you skip others?

[subtle tundra]

save a lockout

from previous week

[vestal wren]

oh, so somone needs an alt for the lockout

[subtle tundra]

yea, but its not like he needs to play that alt

[vestal wren]

thats correct

i just was wondering how you can only do tier bosses

but it makes sense, if you are organized like that

[subtle tundra]

it just saves a lot of time

same for normal

no point in killing 0 dps upgrade hc bosses

[glass tulip]

my team is currently buying tier for 500k varas 👀

[subtle tundra]

oy

where can i... uh...

sign up?

i cant trade hc shoulders/chest though

and no normal chest

[glass tulip]

well lucky for you I need head

in tier token form and irl

down bad

[subtle tundra]

got mythic today

[bleak sky]

you know varas is eu right

[glass tulip]

:yep

[bleak sky]

oh k

[subtle tundra]

aww shiee

[glass tulip]

no yep cock

sad

[bleak sky]

what's up with this guild though

that's not stormrage as in stormrage comm right

[glass tulip]

may or may not be

[bleak sky]

[glass tulip]

probably isnt tho

@subtle tundra I knew in my heart of hearts you were EU sorry for baiting

[subtle tundra]

[glass tulip]

pepega brain

[celest marlin]

is 45% crit too much ?

[bleak sky]

is it simming fine?

[strange python]

bruh when i get 2 heroic daggers in vault and i just upgraded haste vers one to 272 because it simmed the highest from Droptimizer

looks like i be getting tokens it seems unless one of these can beat heroic sylv offhand

[pseudo hamlet]

Already got the 272ilvl chest for the catalyst(that comes in 2 weeks)... though that ring(and belt also) is BIS I guess and I won't change it in the future

[placid cobalt]

guys are the pin in faq incorrect or what? are they still testing venthyr?

[subtle tundra]

venthyr is best in st

[spice spire]

It’s correct and confirmed

[placid cobalt]

im asking because there is different info in pins here and in faq channel above, both regarding covenant and talents so idk what to pick XD

[hollow escarp]

both are correct

night fae is more safe

while the best is still venthyr

[subtle tundra]

venthyr requires knowing how to play it right

and its way more punishing

missing globals in vendetta is big loss

not doing snapshotting right means you should've played nf etc

[placid cobalt]

so if im understanding it right, i need to hold all 4 cooldowns (shiv-mfd-vendetta-flag) and always combine them?

is that it?

[bleak sky]

vendetta and flag should naturally sync

shiv mfd once between them

[gritty pawn]

With the new change to Lords of Dread would Exsanguinate be any good to squeeze out extra dmg in swarm phase?

[fading wigeon]

Exsanguinate never

[subtle tundra]

whats exsanguinate? that talent removed at the start of SL?

[marble hemlock]

they dont

vendetta will be up before flag

[bleak sky]

yeah but like 10 sec apart right

[hollow escarp]

yeah, you wait quite a while for it

[bleak sky]

that's kinda syncd

[marble hemlock]

depends on how good your flag is

[hollow escarp]

even 15 sec

[marble hemlock]

its usually more like 15sec

feels terrible

[bleak sky]

[hollow escarp]

and then you desync vanish

[marble hemlock]

and the dot snapshot at the end of vendetta isnt guaranteed either due to boss mechanics/cp rng etc.

just all around an awful build. but it sims highest so

[bleak sky]

still on the necro train seli?