assassination

[spice spire]

It has haste, it has crit, it has a socket

[kind talon]

are those good stats ? :)

[junior rampart]

oh 8 hours maintenance :S

[frosty cedar]

Stonks brother

it's a great ring if your not looking to farm the auto attack ring from legion in timewalking

[kind talon]

versatility overloaded gear tho

[frosty cedar]

Get those sub stats outta here

[spice spire]

Haste and crit are two of our best

Did you just accuse him of not being outlaw?!

Disgusting

[kind talon]

im not outlaw anymore man

that spec is dog

[spice spire]

Man

[kind talon]

blizzard assassinated my BOY dude

its unplayable everywhere

[frosty cedar]

Sub outlaw assa

[hollow river]

I’ve got this exact same ring with socket

[kind talon]

SUB SIN OUTLAW

[kind talon]

[hollow river]

Outlaw be viable tho

[kind talon]

??????

ur trippin

[hollow river]

In some keys 🔑 🔐

[kind talon]

ur

tripping

its worse than sub in every key

[hollow river]

Been seeing them 14-15k overalls bro

[kind talon]

in what dungeons

[hollow river]

[kind talon]

[frosty cedar]

sin is the only rogue spec

[hollow river]

Not sure just been seeing peoples screen shots last couple days

[kind talon]

sin in aoe

[spice spire]

🐐

Not in damage tho

Enjoy the grustle

[hollow river]

Sin on lords of dread

[frosty cedar]

sin on lords big blast

[delicate smelt]

which sim for M+? Dungeon slice or Multi Patch?

[frosty cedar]

The first

[gusty mirage]

Wait until this week

Changes are sin stonks

[spice spire]

Both work, it depends on what you’re trying to see, but it’s good in both

[spice spire]

Yes man

All damage is doubled?

Buddy

[delicate smelt]

ty 🙂

[spice spire]

we’re going fast

[hollow river]

Probably still gonna be benched for it for demon hunters and DKs

[normal mist]

[gusty mirage]

Dusk makes vendetta line up purty well with it

[kind talon]

sin is definitely bis

on lords of dread

[spice spire]

Our 2t is pretty gross

[frosty cedar]

for rogues

[kind talon]

i dont think you would vendetta on pull

[spice spire]

Idk about bis, but for rogues absolutely

[spice spire]

Duskwalkers

[kind talon]

you'd prob run a diff leggo for lords of dread

but idk what u would run

[subtle tundra]

you dusk

[hollow river]

You would tho

[frosty cedar]

dusk

[spice spire]

Means you’re vendettaing on the rip and getting it

[kind talon]

and you hold flag?

[hollow river]

You run dusk and get vendetta for every swarm

[subtle tundra]

why would you

obedience

[kind talon]

you get vendetta for every swarm

anyways

[frosty cedar]

if your playing obedience just send everything pull

[kind talon]

1 min cd and the timer is like 40 seconds?

wdym

[hollow river]

Idts

[spice spire]

It’s like 53s

[kind talon]

they are 2 minutes

[frosty cedar]

Swarm is every 2 mins

[spice spire]

In and every 2 after

[subtle tundra]

isnt swarm like 20 sec duration?

[kind talon]

12

iirc

[subtle tundra]

its way more than 12

[kind talon]

maybe its 20

idk

[hollow river]

Idk I saw someone post some weird timings one was at a X:30

[spice spire]

Ohhh

[subtle tundra]

it depends on amogus duration later

[spice spire]

I thought you meant 30 in, I was like, idk if circles are even out at that point

[hollow river]

It was like :53, ~3 and ~5:30(?)

[spice spire]

Clear circles

[hollow river]

Idk

[gusty mirage]

I’ll show you deez circles

[spice spire]

Tease

[hollow river]

Ah so if amongus phase takes you too long it fucks timings up

Understandable

[kind talon]

what if you ran

deathly

[hollow river]

But now there’s a WA that shows you who it is

[kind talon]

deathly obedience venthyr 4p assassination rogue lord of dread HACK????

[hollow river]

[kind talon]

whats avg cd with dusk

[kind talon]

this one is so good man

[hollow river]

~50

You end up holding every vendetta 10-15 for flag

[kind talon]

@spice spire so youd need to vendetta flag as like

[delicate smelt]

could 259 Chains trinket sim better that 246 Phial for single target?

[kind talon]

first cd?

so like mut flag vendetta snd mut garr rupture build to CT?

[hollow river]

Sim it and find out

[delicate smelt]

i simed it but it seems strange to me

[hollow river]

Rotation is in the pins fam

[delicate smelt]

i thought that Phial is bis

[kind talon]

fam im talking about what youd do on lords of dread

[hollow river]

Oh you mean lords

[kind talon]

i know the rotation man

[subtle tundra]

i try not to cry

[hollow river]

Are you sure about that

[kind talon]

garr garr mut flag vend snd ?

[spice spire]

You can drop it to sub min. On vendetta, getting the lineup for flag would be tricky, but if you’re a holy man, you’ll make it work

[subtle tundra]

wtf

[spice spire]

[kind talon]

you might not like it, but this is what peak lords of dread sin gaming looks like: garr garr mut flag vend snd ?

[spice spire]

Copying that one

That’s going in

I’m also a degen and I run NL

[kind talon]

yikes

[spice spire]

[kind talon]

pin it

[hollow river]

Gar, gar, snd, mut flag rupt mfd CT shiv vendetta

[kind talon]

my new scheme

[frosty cedar]

unholy vendetta 爾紮紮德 SND technology 爾紮 activate the slice

[spice spire]

Nah, pins aren’t for that

But

you might not like it, but this is what peak lords of dread sin gaming looks like: garr garr mut flag vend snd

[kind talon]

gar gar flag snd mut rupture

[hollow river]

🤮

[kind talon]

[hollow river]

Nah idk maybe

🤷‍♂️

[subtle tundra]

why mfd on 2T

[hollow river]

Because flag?

[subtle tundra]

🤔

[frosty cedar]

haste omegatechnology

[subtle tundra]

but...

[frosty cedar]

that's why

[kind talon]

flag

[subtle tundra]

its

2T

[kind talon]

!!!!!!!!

[hollow river]

But

[subtle tundra]

not 1T

[hollow river]

It’s

Obedience

[subtle tundra]

ok have you simmed it

[kind talon]

OK BUT

[hollow river]

Don’t care

[kind talon]

what if you hold flag @spice spire

[pure moth]

Thats the dreads opener i assume to get all vendettas to line up with swarm

[spice spire]

Please no

[subtle tundra]

@limber lion smart guy help us

[spice spire]

Stop pls

This is getting more fried than even I deal with

[hollow river]

There’s also an add to snipe mfd

So like

[kind talon]

[grim tangle]

just play night fae

[frosty cedar]

MFD is for gigachads

js

[kind talon]

jigachad*

@spice spire interesting all parses are NL

NL Zold lords of DREAD!?!?!?

[spice spire]

It’s almost like.
Cleave is good on Necro

[frosty cedar]

lords of

[spice spire]

Zoldyck’s until 4p

[subtle tundra]

cock

[kind talon]

he has 4p

[spice spire]

Who

[muted ivy]

MfD is for ADHDers

[spice spire]

(I meant who asked)

[kind talon]

heroic lod logs are all necro bro

wtf is that

[spice spire]

Already have externals

[frosty cedar]

o look there's me

[spice spire]

Log denied

See external

[kind talon]

oh look

external

[frosty cedar]

it's a faerie bro

[kind talon]

🤢

[spice spire]

Sorry king, don’t make the rules

[frosty cedar]

I didn't ask

[kind talon]

meanwhile im rank 2 outlaw

[spice spire]

Literal terrorist priests giving us externals

(I’m not kidding)

[frosty cedar]

true man. Can't cope. Ruined.

[kind talon]

fr

[frosty cedar]

why he even night Fae get me out. Survival hunter got the PIs

[spice spire]

“Damn, that was a decent pull”
Oh I got PI’d for some reason..

[kind talon]

so true man

!!!!!!

[spice spire]

3 demo locks and someone else getting PI

[subtle tundra]

griefers

[spice spire]

Fucked up world we live in, kings

[frosty cedar]

feel like vent is turbo good with PI tho ngl

Big juice

obv not warlock level

[spice spire]

It could be with the dark snapshot tech ngl

But better for sure

[frosty cedar]

dark pi tech mfd forbidden haste

[kind talon]

forbidden zoldyck necrolord tech pi ct assassinate aoe hack

[spice spire]

动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 bone spike triggers 六四天安門事件 set bonus天安門大屠殺  out of control 反右派鬥爭 my mind.. the wheels in it were turning 大躍進政策 insane scaling 文化大革命 many bleed damage increase 人權 awakening 民運自由 theorycraft 獨立 almost went mad 多黨制diminishing returns 台灣 臺灣 Infinite 中華民國  combine all three 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 5.0 haste weight 達賴喇嘛 secret rogue build 100000 dps 法輪功 assassination meta dominate 10 years 新疆維吾爾自治區 ~heavy inhale 諾貝爾和平獎 deathspike op build meta 劉暁波 rogue best healer best 民主 言論 洪志 bone epic 劉曉波动态网

[frosty cedar]

bone epic

[spice spire]

Amen brother

[kind talon]

diminishing returns

so true

hope for 278 dagger in vault so i can play sin

and my sub does more damage

[spice spire]

[muted ivy]

best meme

[spice spire]

Just want her (tier legs or helm)

[frosty cedar]

reject sub

[winged basin]

So our current tier gear will work in mage tower right, so should signicantly reduce the level of difficulty lmao?

[frosty cedar]

Assassination meta dominate 10 years

cov abilities don't so I imagine tier won't too

[winged basin]

sadge

[spice spire]

Yeah but certain things do.
Like mecha rings

So it’s worth testing out

[winged basin]

Gonna have to activate some neurons for it, and I don’t wanna

[kind talon]

ok ill test it in 6 hours

[winged basin]

I just wanna pew pew

[kind talon]

gonna go get breakfast

:D

[spice spire]

Glhf dekai

[kind talon]

i think its time mn

man

its done

[winged basin]

Ooh what we havin

[kind talon]

some food

[spice spire]

I had a banana and yogurt this morning if that’s what we’re after

[frosty cedar]

oh is it timewalking this week?

[spice spire]

Wasn’t it tw last week? Or am I lit

[frosty cedar]

I mean for legion

[spice spire]

I don’t think so

[frosty cedar]

O ok

[muted ivy]

legion is 4/12

[frosty cedar]

Sweet

[spice spire]

I thought so but wasn’t 100%

[frosty cedar]

Didn't want to on court of stars again so soon

[muted ivy]

same as tier crafting unlock

[fading wigeon]

Gah servers down until 3pm PST. So annoying

They are delaying me getting my 4pc . Need the one min vendetta life

[ebon notch]

i have no idea what that discussion was about but it seemed interesting

[spice spire]

It was not

[junior rampart]

Could we upgrade a piece to tier on first week of creation of catalyst?

[spice spire]

Sometimes you just let it out

[ebon notch]

what were you even talking about lmao

mfd on lords?

[muted ivy]

i would assume we can upgrade a piece the week they add the tier upgrade system yes

would be pretty weird to add it and then go "nah, not yet "

[junior rampart]

Yea lol

[fading wigeon]

you can do one piece in the first week yes

[kind talon]

How to open as venth on lords

So you’d have flag for first swarm

[ebon notch]

i saw someone pre mfd

[violet hemlock]

garrote garrote snd st opener one of em

[ebon notch]

to get snd

[kind talon]

That’s definitely not the play

[violet hemlock]

Im p sure it is

[kind talon]

That’s like definitely not the play

Unless you mean 15 second pre mfd

[muted ivy]

wait we're not supposed to use Deathly Shadows to get SnD up pre-pull?

[kind talon]

[muted ivy]

[kind talon]

Peepee laugh

[violet hemlock]

ye the sims do garrote garrote snd st opener

[kind talon]

Sims don’t account for having a double damage event at 53 seconds

[violet hemlock]

I guess

[ebon notch]

theres no shot you get 1 min flag

unless you get pi on pull

[violet hemlock]

with mfd 1m flag aint hard

[ebon notch]

bad mut rng and ur in the shitter

[violet hemlock]

then just have good rng

[muted ivy]

would have to have pretty shit rng tbh

[kind talon]

1minute flag is still useless tho

[ebon notch]

why isnt flag aoe

[kind talon]

???????

[ebon notch]

i want flag to be like warbreaker

[kind talon]

Holy

[ebon notch]

just fuckin hit everything

[kind talon]

For sure bro

[violet hemlock]

ye I guess 1m flag would still put u short

[ebon notch]

can you imagine

[kind talon]

Outlaw flag blade flurries

[ebon notch]

LMAOOO

make it like sinful brand

[muted ivy]

they changed it to be 100% increase for all dmg anyways

[ebon notch]

you apply flag to every mob in the pack

and you stack up the damage

like a ramp

ok this is actually starting to sound pretty good

[kind talon]

Flag is at least 4th cd so 1m flag would put you at 1:05 which is 11 seconds after the cast

[muted ivy]

it's a 20 sec cast so you can get a good bit of it in

[kind talon]

I think you hold in every situation on lords p much

And just vendetta on pull

[ebon notch]

the play is to take the fok talent right

[kind talon]

And then snapshot tech for the swarm

[muted ivy]

or you can just do that lol

[ebon notch]

for the big pad

[kind talon]

For sure

[muted ivy]

always

[kind talon]

Yeah echoing blades is way better than CT

[ebon notch]

are there any leggos that make us do actual aoe burst damage

just for that phase

[muted ivy]

gotta get that add down quick

[kind talon]

Obedience and duskwalkers

[drowsy parcel]

necro emeni for lords

big trust

[kind talon]

[drowsy parcel]

100% LBE during swarm

[ebon notch]

thats not aoe burst you nerd

[kind talon]

!!!!!!!

[muted ivy]

they made the dmg amp apply to all dmg now so doesn't even need to be aoe

[kind talon]

Sin has no aoe burst and it’s a 20 second phase with 100% damage now

Sin boutta blast fr (no keezy)

[slow marsh]

Why are you guys talking about aoe burst anyways

[ebon notch]

oh shit

[muted ivy]

Shiv

[ebon notch]

i didnt see the changes

[slow marsh]

noobs read the patch notes

[ebon notch]

ok well now i have a new theory

ready?

AOE SHIV

[slow marsh]

no

[ebon notch]

imagine

[muted ivy]

i've only said it like 4 times now

[kind talon]

Yourere sucha noober man

[ebon notch]

i can either do big dam or read things

not both

[kind talon]

That woudl do a nothing bro

[ebon notch]

nah nah thinka bout it

shiv

but on more than one target

[kind talon]

Boom

[ebon notch]

[muted ivy]

Tiny Toxic Blade

[slow marsh]

But the biggest burst we can get in aoe is NS mfd CT with MA leggo and you mfd CT and then build to 5 then vanish CT in pandemic

and it's trash

so ther eyou go

[kind talon]

ZAMN

[ebon notch]

what

ok new idea hear me out

aoe sepsis

just like in torghast

thoughts?

[slow marsh]

broken

[kind talon]

Just stop

[muted ivy]

make it do 15% health like torgy too ya?

[ebon notch]

absolute madlad turbo genius

[ebon notch]

naturally

[muted ivy]

definitely not broken

[kind talon]

Aoe exsang

!!!!!

[ebon notch]

thsi already exists

you vendetta one target

exsang the other

[kind talon]

True

[muted ivy]

tru

[slow marsh]

next is gonna be something something mastery stack something

[ebon notch]

@kind talon how much i gotta donate to cev to get him to try that

[kind talon]

MASTERY

[ebon notch]

id probably go broke huh

[kind talon]

To try what?

[ebon notch]

exsanguinate on lords

[kind talon]

Playing exsang on a boss?

[ebon notch]

for double exsang

[kind talon]

On prog?

[steel ridge]

Rofl

[ebon notch]

i tried it in pvp actually

[slow marsh]

same

[ebon notch]

vendetta with exsang

felt a little underwhelming

[kind talon]

@ebon notch even if you went exsang you would just exsang your main target in vendetta

[slow marsh]

because sepsis is all your damage not rup

[ebon notch]

but then thats not aoe exsang

[limber lion]

This chat makes me want to end it all

[muted ivy]

damn that's crazy, who woulda thought

[slow marsh]

i just got here

[ebon notch]

we're theorycrafting so you dont have to

take a vacation

[slow marsh]

i had no part in this debauchery

[ebon notch]

ive been on hold for 45 mins

i think its given me brain damage

[muted ivy]

you love it when blue and yellow names come in here, don't lie

[slow marsh]

bruh servers gonna be down for 6 hours? time to level in classic ig

[kind talon]

I ain’t yellow

I put down the gun man

[slow marsh]

Only cuz you had to

[kind talon]

True

[ebon notch]

if guy can play outlaw on mythic pantheon then you can play it anywhere

maybe i play it on lihuvim prog today and get rank 1

[strange python]

is exang (talent) relevant at all with the 4p vendetta haste snapshotting tech?

[kind talon]

????????

[ebon notch]

no

[kind talon]

Pantheon is like outlaws best fight

What are you on about man

[ebon notch]

did i say anywhere i meant nowhere else

sry

[strange python]

pity, always liked running it

[slow marsh]

never

[muted ivy]

exang will never be relevant unless shrouded comes back

[ebon notch]

@slow marsh go sim it to be sure

[kind talon]

man ur fried

What happened today

Aoe shiv

[slow marsh]

I'm simmed exsang every which way I can

10% haste is just too good

[strange python]

make shrouded baseline

someone ping scar

[kind talon]

But did you sim 20 seconds all buffs sim

[slow marsh]

[austere steppe]

Since Lords take 100% from all sources during swarm now, so we want to still be using zoldyck or switch to dusk for vend every swarm?

[slow marsh]

you already get vend efvery swarm

if you hold 1min on pull

[kind talon]

@slow marsh hear me out

[ebon notch]

[kind talon]

You get a finishing move that deals damage based on duration of bleeds

[slow marsh]

just play sin normal on lords and you'll blast and look cool and you can tell everyone that you're just better

[ebon notch]

but hear me out

vendetta for amongus phase?

??

[kind talon]

And when it’s first implemented necro sin one shots everything because of infinite duration

[kind talon]

So true

[ebon notch]

did i tell you what i did to my guildie when we killed it on my warr?

[kind talon]

No

Did you bladestorm?

[muted ivy]

"my spec is called Assassination, what'd you expect me to do "

[kind talon]

Whirlwind?

[ebon notch]

better

i had an execute proc

turned to my m8

and fucking clapped him for 12k

the moment we went into the phase

then someone convoked him

[muted ivy]

OOF

[ebon notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/752496343653810216/953386395496509472/unknown.png

this was the second phase

[muted ivy]

my fav is watching people get bonked off the edge from the little knockback

[kind talon]

Why are you kentagunner

[ebon notch]

im not

i decided the first time was enough

my guildies had some pent up rage

[muted ivy]

that mortal strike at the end tho

had to make sure the job was finished

[ebon notch]

put him in the dirt on god

[strange python]

would playing venthyr at a mediocre level with 4 set > playing night fae well?

cause i kinda just wanna play nf >_>

[keen aurora]

In general, playing what you find fun/engaging will be better than playing something you have no interest in. I've got a few orange parses on heroic ST fights as necro 🤷‍♂️

If you're doing serious mythic prog may not be an option tho

[slow marsh]

no

[obtuse robin]

why the fuck does blizzard need so much time for a reset that adds no content

smh

[strange python]

: (

sadge

ok

im so stupid with cd timings i wanted to try NF send and forget

i know for a fact im going to grief on xymox and blast him with flag just as he leaves and becomes invulnerable

[obtuse robin]

just dont do it close to 75 and 45

or whenever the 2nd one is i forget

[wide bolt]

50 👍

[hollow talon]

are there sim numbers on the new CT snapshot build

how does it compare to sub?

[ripe gulch]

i heard its within sub error margin on st

from cev

[hollow talon]

might have to give it a try

[spice spire]

It’s in raidbots currently iirc

[hollow talon]

does the sims on simcraft site have it?

doesnt seem like it

doesnt have CT

[vestal wren]

good

venthyr can reach sub levels of output

[hollow talon]

but the pin said its about 300 dps higher

so it should be about the same

according to my math

[spice spire]

Probably not, but you can just sim your current stuff for which is better

Yeah, the profile won’t change

On that site, it didn’t when we optimized mfd + frost last tier

[hollow talon]

ic

[obtuse robin]

both are at 17k now

[hollow talon]

maybe ill give it a try if i get 4pc this week

can take a small loan from gbank to make yet another leggo

[spice spire]

Unethical gbank abuser

[hollow talon]

im helping the raid

by helping myself on the meters

[alpine latch]

Man, if Sin is getting closer to Sub in raid, I might be making a comeback .. But I still probably have to stay Sub in keys 😦

[hollow talon]

apparently with CT venthyr its same

both 17k

ass is back on top (ish)

[alpine latch]

Yeah, but I'm trying to push keys this season

And my group still wants me to be Sub unless I can present them a reason why Sin is better

[hollow talon]

i got 3k for my conduits and now i may never do another key above 15 again

[alpine latch]

My friends want to push and they're the reason I still play

[spice spire]

Your tank flaming you in the dms btw

Damn

[hollow talon]

sub is really good for keys ya

funnel is huge

[spice spire]

(He’s not, I’m memeing the homie)

[hollow talon]

and u have a set group so you wont get flamed for low overall

[spice spire]

Ran into him in a random pug

[alpine latch]

I'd be more upset if it was the healer. She's legit my best friend

Next time, use her

lol

[spice spire]

Nah, I actually added the tank

[alpine latch]

hah

[spice spire]

Everything else was factual

He said something about rogues

And I meant to @ you here

[alpine latch]

Eyors is a good tank, and Red is turning into a Rshaman monster

I'm just trying to keep up so they want me to stay around

[spice spire]

I carried the hunter through some bosses, got him some tier

[alpine latch]

He raided with you on his hunter?

lol

[spice spire]

Yeah, pug

[alpine latch]

nice

Just don't take my rogue spot with the group

pls

[spice spire]

Quakewar got a few bosses. Then I had to kill tier bosses on my rogue, was a good time

Too late, he’s already offered me the position

[alpine latch]

😦

[spice spire]

With bennies

[alpine latch]

I'd believe it with how shitty I've been in keys lately

fuu did a log review for me and it's just not good

[spice spire]

Always a way to improve

Can’t expect perfection off the rip.
You’ll get better over time

[alpine latch]

Yeah, downside of my personality is I always feel like I need to carry harder

I put a lot of pressure on myself to be the best

[obtuse robin]

method just got w2nd with bug

lmao

[alpine latch]

What's bugged?

[obtuse robin]

jailer healed to 11 instead of 20

[alpine latch]

nice

[obtuse robin]

in back to back pulls

and they kept going

[spice spire]

It’s a game, you gotta enjoy it homie

[alpine latch]

that blows

Good for them, but still sucks

[alpine latch]

I play for the people, honestly. WoW was never my favorite MMO, it just has my favorite people who play it

But if I'm going to do something, I'm going to be the best at it I can be

[thorn fjord]

CT for ST makes me sad

Smooth brain no likey

[slow marsh]

I wnana be the very best

[ripe gulch]

why wouldnt you like it

this way you deal more dmg in st in m+

[thorn fjord]

its an extra button i gotta press

[ripe gulch]

while playing ct for aoe anyways

its an absolute win

[alpine latch]

TBH a lot of it comes from my guild

If I don't perform at a high level, many times bosses just don't die

[thorn fjord]

cheat death proc at 1% and killing the boss solo always feels the best

I killed M Painsmith for us that way lol

on our first kill

@alpine latch what server are you on>

[alpine latch]

Illidan

https://raider.io/characters/us/illidan/Krymoore

I was slaughtering people back in SoD

That's on The Eye

I think the largest I ever won a fight was just under 4k

[thorn fjord]

Right now with only 2p im struggling to keep up with the rest of guild

Most have 4p already

my damage on H Rygelon was absolute trash on sunday

No idea why

kept dropping >9k

er less than 9k

[alpine latch]

I'm still keeping up because no one in my guild has 4p yet. Only a healer alt who raids in another guild has 4p for us

[green badge]

Hi guys, assuming I'm just bad and it's a case of playing more to learn. But maintaining CT on ST feels like I don't get much/any pool time because everytime I try to pool either CT or Rup are ready to reapply, so my envenom castings are lower. But is that right?

[strange python]

you cast envenom way less in general to my understanding

to keep slice and dice up basically

[thorn fjord]

Do you still run MA when using CT for ST?

Servers are up

[balmy condor]

That’s completely normal, envenom is a filler spell

[green badge]

Subt at the moment. The case is usually only in M+ to be honest

[thorn fjord]

inquiring for raid

[green badge]

Awesome, good to know! Thanks all :)

[balmy condor]

Ma only on venth

[thorn fjord]

thats what i figured so MA venth with Mfd

but still using CT

[balmy condor]

Yes

[thorn fjord]

do we cast CT out of vanish on pull?

[strange python]

4 set acquired : )

[green badge]

Grats!

[thorn fjord]

[strange python]

:DDD

[gusty mirage]

Dear god no

[green badge]

I was also curious on this but the WoWhead guide says Rup over CT so assume not

[thorn fjord]

So where in the opener are we casting CT

[strange python]

it says the opener in the pins

[thorn fjord]

oh they were updated mb

[kindred rapids]

Hard to believe we almost ended up playing NF

[thorn fjord]

i was actually excited about it

got tier pants... 3p boiz

[kindred rapids]

It woulda been sorta boring

Sepsis is just not as interesting as flag

[thorn fjord]

Still soul shape is nice

lol

[green badge]

If I'm playing Venthyr in M+ would it be best to run Subt? For the garrotes reset. That's what I'm seeing on mplus but I hear a lot of MA/MFD is that just ST?

[frosty cedar]

subt in keys yea

[green badge]

Cool thanks again :)

[frosty cedar]

can still run MFD in keys as vent

[kindred rapids]

soulshape is nice. door is actually better on Dausegne though

[balmy condor]

That’s quite a take

[frosty cedar]

chad take I respect it

[fleet whale]

door shadows is nice sometimes but the cast time is too long imo

[violet jackal]

4 set gang

[plain jetty]

Wait are servers up? I checked like 20 minutes ago and they were down

[violet jackal]

yes they are up

[wide ridge]

no tier again

at least got a weapon

[brazen zodiac]

i like it on lords tbh.

[strange python]

big weapon chin up king

[thorn fjord]

Ticking sack of terror

what a name

[wide ridge]

[alpine latch]

@spice spire bring me to heroic Anduin/Rygelon

pwease

[brazen zodiac]

278 shoulders or 278 weapons

tier shoulders zzz

[alpine latch]

My GV was dogshit 😦

I gained a 278 ring that I already had at 262.. oh joy

[spice spire]

We just killed lihuvim this week

We’re still farming normal tier bosses

Only 5 hours a week homie

[undone eagle]

Sry to interrupt but does 252 timewalkign weekly have a chance for tier set drop?

[spice spire]

It does not

[alpine latch]

Yeah, same. We just killed normal Anduin/Rygelon last week. We're hoping to get normal LoD tonight and heroic Daus next week

[kindred rapids]

GV? servers aren't up for 5 more hours

[gray fjord]

They're up already o3o

[kindred rapids]

yeh

they really didn't have a lot of confidence in their ability to do those database upgrades

[gray fjord]

Yeah I was really surprised when they guessed it'd be THAT long

[undone eagle]

Is this the last season with legendary upgrades?

[alpine latch]

That's a great question no one knows the answer to

Similarly, will we be able to wear 4p and 2 DPS dom shards next "season"?

who knows...

[strange python]

i hope so i literally have spent so much gold ..

[undone eagle]

^ exactly haha

thats why im wondering if i should craft 291 now cuz im most likely casually hc raiding now

costs me 200k ~ for ring + feet + wrist sadge

[echo geyser]

what stats is that wep

[limber swallow]

another season, another Phial..

[devout prism]

haste mast

[wide ridge]

^

[alpine latch]

I haven't even seen one drop yet, let alone from a GV 😦

Is the Sin m+ play still Necro with Duskwalkers?

I'll have KSM on Sub this week and I need to finish it on Sin

[spice spire]

Ye Zoldyck’s also works tho

[oak sky]

I didnt get tier

Next week i guess

[cerulean nest]

so does our playstyle on Lords change at all now?

[oak sky]

With tier no change

Without it hold vendetta for it i think

For the burn

[cerulean nest]

got 4set today

will be my first time trying with full tier

[limber swallow]

Yea, don't get me wrong, I'm glad I got mine. The drop rate sucks. I just wish blizz would do something to push us away from farming the same trinket for multiple seasons (yea, they nerfed it, but it's still really good).

[oak sky]

Its pathetic that i got one tier piece the first 2 weeks and now im just down bad waiting forever

[cerulean nest]

this week's the week

nw

[craggy oak]

1 is better than none

[spice spire]

Is your guild clearing normal still?

Normal tier bosses I should say

If so there should be plenty to go around at this point

[oak sky]

Moved to optional sunday

[spice spire]

OOF.

Hate to see it

What pieces do you have?

[oak sky]

Chest legs hands

[half crown]

Hey guys , I started wow again few months ago, but I got the feeling I lack on doing dps with my assassin , I'm doing 5.2 dps with ilvl of 250 is that normal or to low ?

[spice spire]

Bit low

[oak sky]

Little low my friend

[spice spire]

I’m on that chest shoulders hands life rn king

I know your pain

[half crown]

Don't understand why , think I do the rotations good

I'm always the lowest in a mythic

[spice spire]

Do you have a log, optimax?

[fleet whale]

try lfr to get that last tier piece

[half crown]

How I get a log ?

[spice spire]

Uh warcraftlogs

Are you speaking about mythic+ or raid?

[spice spire]

Ran weekly

[half crown]

Mythic +

[spice spire]

Today is the day

[spice spire]

So what is your general thing to do when you go into a pack?

[half crown]

Apply slice of dice , maintain rupture and Garrote on like 3 mobs , do shiv for the extra damage and then evenom

Getting points and do evenom while having 5

[subtle tundra]

is the fact that i dont want to craft akaaris for 1 boss enough to convince my gm to play assa on halondrus?

[peak bobcat]

Assa on Halondrus is good

If you have tier

[subtle tundra]

im talking about mythic uwu

[peak bobcat]

So am I ?

[subtle tundra]

then why is having tier relevant

[peak bobcat]

Because you could be in 3P prison like me and be killing mythic lihuvim this week

[subtle tundra]

i wouldnt be even thinking about assa without 4p

[peak bobcat]

Truth

[odd heath]

I'm on the same boat lol. Probably will kill M lihuvim this week, and want to play assa on halondrus.. but kyrian sub is too good to pass on this fight. So much value

[slow marsh]

so much value in missing 2/3 animacharged cps every 45s amiright

[peak bobcat]

If you can play venthyr Assa proficiently you shouldn’t see any drop off

[shy dust]

Shouldn’t see any drop off

Is a bit much

[odd heath]

Sub gains value on this fight

A lot actually

6%, from Fuu's spreadsheet

[slow marsh]

i mean yeah cuz shadow tech but i mean

....

[odd heath]

But well.. venthyr assassin gets 5%

Lol

Just checked

Long prog, can test some pulls with both covenants / specs..

[peak bobcat]

Yeah I’m pretty sure kyrian sub is still “bis” but I thought venthyr Assa is not that far behind anymore with new apl?

[slow marsh]

with full "bis" sure

[peak bobcat]

I haven’t been able to test because 4P is just a figment of my imagination

And killing every tier boss every week doesn’t guarantee anything

[odd heath]

On my profile I'm 150 lower as venthyr assassin, compared to sub kyrian

4p, 270ilvl

[peak bobcat]

Yeah not that far ahead

Gotta get those high rolls

[odd heath]

But I'm much more comfortable playing assassin, so I'm sticking to it probably

[subtle tundra]

i just dont like kyrian sub

[peak bobcat]

Playing what you enjoy/are more comfortable at will net you equivalent dps 99% of the time

It’s not like playing Assa is trolling

[slow marsh]

Me either. Prefer venth sub but that's pretty far under

that is, if i'm forced to play sub

[odd heath]

Kyrian sub ew

[peak bobcat]

I just want rogue to be playable on every boss

Idc what spec I have to play to not be a bottom feeder

[limber lion]

I sim more as Venth Assa than I do as Kyrian Sub

[peak bobcat]

Lords of dread change 🙏

[spice spire]

I don’t see any mention of CT here.
You want to maintain bleeds on as many mobs as possible and you envenom as a dump/maintaining of SND.

[oak sky]

Ive simmed higher as sub the entire time

[peak bobcat]

No 4P it’s not even close

Like pathetically behind

[oak sky]

Yeah

I know

I live it

[spice spire]

I’d recommend reviewing a guide here just for some guidance as there’s a little bit missing I feel. You can !guide - and all the writers are in this discord

[odd heath]

4p is the game changer

[peak bobcat]

3P prison gang

[oak sky]

Yep

[peak bobcat]

Secured a nice spot on the bench for prototype

[slow marsh]

...but sin on pantheon?

oh

nvm

[peak bobcat]

Not without tier

[slow marsh]

i feel your pain

jk i dont

but i do

[limber lion]

Sin without tier doesn't really matter for Pantheon

as long as you have 2p

[peak bobcat]

It’s okay what are the odds I clear heroic and normal tier today and don’t get the last piece 2 weeks in a row

[limber lion]

tier just feels pretty hectic in p3 and you'll play like crap with it

[mossy sable]

So I suck at Sin but is it normal for dps to be low in fast combat?

Like just killing random enemies and such

I only do like 5k

[slow marsh]

kinda

[mossy sable]

idk how/why

But I always struggle on Sin

So I wanted to see if I am doing it wrong

[glass tulip]

usually you need time for your bleeds to get set on multiple targets

and for them to actually have time to do dam

[mossy sable]

I was hoping that was why

I'm gonna try it in LFR

But when I tried it in Nathria I was doing like 5k at best iirc

So idk how it will go

[glass tulip]

oh okay well short raid fights are slightly different than like world mobs dying fast

[mossy sable]

No no I was meaning short like mob encounters in open world

But back when I tried raiding as it it went trash

Ok so less than 5k

[glass tulip]

reading the guides on basic rotation seems like it would be helpful for you

[mossy sable]

I did attempt that at the time

I am just kinda low iq

And can't seem to put into practice what I read

[spice spire]

SGT TIME BUDDY

We take those

[pure moth]

yeah wonder what its going to beat sigil/ phial running a sim to see

[spice spire]

Oh nvm embarrassment of riches over here

Do you have 4p too?

[pure moth]

yes

i never upgraded phial either. so sgt might beat it at 262

i just held off on upgrading incase it showed up in vault

[spice spire]

[amber fossil]

yay, 2pc finally

should have the 4pc by next expac

[red plaza]

april 12th we can make tier gear, so at least until then 🙂

[amber fossil]

haha, bonus!

[lyric crater]

so when i get 4 set we still useing mfd or deeper talenet?

[limber lion]

mfd with venth

[lyric crater]

ok

[balmy condor]

:/

[half crown]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[limber lion]

[timber gale]

ok i am finally blessed with 2p

curious when I should use shiv in opener - do I wanna subt garrote everything, then shiv, then sepsis? no way it'd be shiv + garrote everything right

[balmy condor]

shiv after the sepsis

[timber gale]

I know in general it'll always be 'toss it on CD' but just htinking abt cases when i'm opening or vanishing

[subtle tundra]

yo fuck this crab

no cap

[balmy condor]

yeah

would be getting up gar and rup first

then vend sepsis shiv

[timber gale]

kk, so ideally on repeat casts when I know shiv is up

prioritize reupping the DoTs right before it

so i have a clean shiv -> spam window

which i guess was always true

[limber lion]

That doesn't matter too much honestly

You just reapply bleeds as you would normally during their pandemic windows

If you reapply bleeds during Shiv, that's completely fine

[amber fossil]

what about necro?

[limber lion]

We don't do that 3x Envenom thing anymore

[balmy condor]

just after the rupture is fine

[amber fossil]

ty

[amber fossil]

same here, welcome to the "late to the party" club ;p

[bitter aurora]

I’m noticing vendetta comes up like 5-7 seconds up before flagg do I wait for flagg for every vendetta ?

[limber lion]

Yes

[subtle tundra]

only 5-7 sec?

[night summit]

Whats more important 278 MH dagger or 3 piece 278 shoulder

[hollow escarp]

main hand

[polar cape]

Dagger

[oak sky]

Whaaat tier is the move

[split maple]

Q - For bone spike and 4pc. How exactly does the speed up work? Is SBS even affected by 4pc? I assume it does not snapshot and stay sped up forever yeah?

[bitter aurora]

Dagger. Tier comes so easily we’re already de’ing certain class tokens.

[balmy condor]

yeh it just doubles for the duration

[split maple]

Thought so. ty whispyr

[granite widget]

imagine if sbs did that

[viscid spear]

I really wanna get home

[granite widget]

maybe as a bug

[balmy condor]

then it would do twice as much dot damage yes

:P

[timber gale]

i assume it also doesn't matter much but. i'm just tossing vendetta w/ sepsis ya? no point in holding it, since if you sync them you get 10s of all 3 buffs anyways

[storm belfry]

I didn't get tier but I was able to finally complete a mog taht took me 3 years to get the last piece. so its a win for me

[subtle tundra]

@limber lion on halondrus first reclaim, do you just accept that you wont do good reclaim dps since flag comes up late into the shield?

[limber lion]

Well, I would just continue sending stuff on CD as much as possible without worrying too much about the reclaim stuff. No reason to hold cds for those, it'll just scuff everything up for you

Whilst still following the Flag - Vend logic

But then again, I couldn't tell you because I'm benched anyways

[limber lion]

With the 4p tierset you want to send every other Sepsis with Vendetta. Without that you can just keep sending it on cooldown as much as possible.

[ebon notch]

jailer literally isnt worth killing as assa right

the trinkets sim like ass

i guess you could get the belt and move unity to belt

[limber lion]

The sync logic looks something like this if everything works out well:
Sepsis/Shiv/Vend
Shiv
Vend/Shiv
Sepsis/Shiv
Vend/Shiv
Shiv
Sepsis/Shiv/Vend
and so on

[ebon notch]

you're benched for halondrus mythic?

[limber lion]

kill it once for the achievement, that's it.

[ebon notch]

thought so

[limber lion]

Yes, pretty much self-benched

[ebon notch]

how come

[limber lion]

Had an awful day and didn't want to raid

[ebon notch]

ah

is how it is

[limber lion]

Doesn't make sense for me to hop back in after a missed day

Even if I did omega sick dps

All about the mechanics/practice that fight

[subtle tundra]

what i mean is that it goes into shield at 1 min and flag isnt up for like 10 seconds but i can pop vendetta instead of holding it, i guess the 3 fire mages can carry it anyways so no reason to fuck my dps

[celest ruin]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[limber lion]

Yes, I know

and I would just hold Vend for the Flag

[kindred heron]

"Cev's Magic" still not incorporated in raidbots? ima just assume we are getting +100~ dps if we follow that logic

[ebon notch]

it fucks the tech if you dont sync

[limber lion]

Just fucks up the timings if you do that

[limber lion]

Correct

[kindred heron]

epic

[limber lion]

Koji is not available to do all the fine tunings and whatnot for a bit

[bitter aurora]

if im getting benevolent/autumn should i just go NF to just keep spamming vendettas and not worry about holding for flagg?

[ebon notch]

you want to sync up every other sepsis

[peak bobcat]

is ooze even good

[ebon notch]

just cause you're nf doesnt mean you desync

[ebon notch]

definitely sim it

[limber lion]

Just send everything on cd then

[ebon notch]

raidbots shows all the great vault options

[ebon notch]

is it worth if it means you cant get 3rd sepsis in the vendetta?

[limber lion]

Nothing matters when you get faeries

you just play accordingly

holding with faeries is giga int though

[rotund oak]

noted 👌

[ebon notch]

oh i didnt realise

good to know

[misty holly]

I've been using a 278 ooze since first vault. It is not amazing, but possibly usable depending on what else you have.

[peak bobcat]

i have a 272 phial

[agile geode]

as sin venthyr with 4p i have to sinc all the time flag and vendetta right?

[misty holly]

I've also been using a 272 Phial, and they are pretty comparable.

Some encounters one is better than the other, and some they are about the same, but I haven't figured out why that is.

[limber lion]

Ye

Phial performs better on multiple targets, Ooze is a full st trinket

And well Phial just does more damage overall anyways, but they're pretty comparable after the nerfs even in st

[misty holly]

Looking through a few details screenshots I took, I think pure single target 278 ooze beats 272 phial - on multitarget dungeon type recaps they are close to even.

[limber lion]

Ye

[misty holly]

and on anduin phial wins, probably because I lose my ooze gang when going up/down stairs

[limber lion]

Phial that is

Yep

[ebon notch]

bro snapshotted CT in intermission

[stray mural]

Why does Shadowgrasp sim so high for us

[ebon notch]

[limber lion]

We like haste

SGT likes haste

good combo

[spice spire]

It’s hasted

Cev always catching me lackin, damn

[strange python]

iqd simming highest for me rn

[stray mural]

Is it like an ST or a multi target trinket

[limber lion]

full st

[limber lion]

same at max level

[ebon notch]

i lined up the haste from cache trinket with lust at the perfect time on pull

had like a 35k opener

[strange python]

iqd phial seems to be the case

[ebon notch]

was beautiful

[wild beacon]

I still don't get how the cache works on pull, seems to just change randomly not at 12 seconds

[stray mural]

I have a 272 Phial so if IQD or SGT are the play I’m going for them

[ebon notch]

when you enter combat with the boss it also rolls over

so it has the passive ticking

but also when you pull it rolls

[wild beacon]

In the same order?

[ebon notch]

yes

it just forces it to roll over

[wild beacon]

Ok cheers

[agile geode]

thx

[strange python]

272 iqd is beating sgt for me

[hollow river]

🤮

[strange python]

l00l

¯_(ツ)_/¯

what can ya do

[hollow river]

Giving my healers mana sims better

🤓

[strange python]

ive never actually used it

currently only 16 dps but once upgraded the gap widens

[spice spire]

Use trinket better is the solution

[hollow river]

Glhf trying to do so

[novel arrow]

@balmy condor My Lord, can you quickly explain exactly how haste affects our dots? It used to be that we would get an extra tick at the end of our rupture etc? What about now? Do our dots tick faster? Can u go over it quickly?

[balmy condor]

your dots tick every 2 seconds

with haste, it's 2 * (1 - haste)

[mossy sable]

I mean I am using 0 pots/food etc but 7k dps doesn't = 10k dps lol
(On Halondrus LFR)

[balmy condor]

with any amount of haste

you're bound to have an inconsistent line up

cause normally it would be like once every 2 seconds for 18 seconds or whatever

that's fine

but then with haste you have like once every 1.6 seconds or some shit

and that's yucky

so you get a partial tick at the end

which is just some half-ass tick based on that decimal

[misty holly]

How does the partial tick at the end interact with pandemic?