assassination

[subtle tundra]

you throw so many anyways!

[hollow escarp]

so if a target needs sbs, you slam it as well

[limber lion]

Yeh

[subtle tundra]

it feels bad with cache though, like hitting 2 targets instead of all

[umbral rapids]

It’s on mouseover anyway

[subtle tundra]

mouseover ========== dogshit

[gusty mirage]

Sprinkle in some foks that generate less cp

So you can cry

[umbral rapids]

Right

[subtle tundra]

sbs= 6cp
fok=2, maybe 3

[gusty mirage]

[hollow escarp]

mouseover is fine, but use the macro that also hits your target if you don't have mousover

[subtle tundra]

nah no way i play nightfae and get so many cp from fok

[limber lion]

Axe = Spread 5 bleeds, then spam FOK/CT

[hollow escarp]

#showtooltip /cast Echoing Reprimand /cast Flagellation /cast [@mouseover, harm, nodead][] Serrated Bone Spike /cast Sepsis /run local G=GetSpellInfo SetMacroSpell(GetRunningMacro(), G"Echoing Reprimand" or G"Flagellation" or G"328547"or G"Sepsis")

[gusty mirage]

Just… put the ability on your bar bro

[hollow escarp]

I swap covenant 5 times every day

don't have time for that

[limber lion]

No reason not to use that macro

I mean, I deleted the mouseover part

that shits dog

but otherwise good macro

:')

[hollow escarp]

sometimes it's fine

I still tab target

[gusty mirage]

I don’t use it

I just swap the abilities manually

[hollow escarp]

[gusty mirage]

I also don’t change covenants 300 times a day

[hollow escarp]

I'm a team player

[gusty mirage]

I rarely pug anymore

So I know what I have to be before any kind of gaming session starts

[hollow escarp]

I prefer to be the necrolord in top/pf

[bleak sky]

I'll pug you

[gusty mirage]

I just play venthyr sub

[hollow escarp]

mythic plus spec

fair enough

[subtle tundra]

if your group cant go necro, then you have the option :^

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I’ll swap and play sin in that case

[hollow escarp]

I can even go kyrian outlaw for my group

or nf assa

[kindred dune]

so when axe is used, you just spam FoK/CT as long as axe is up? or do you rupture in between?

[limber lion]

Maintain energy saturation

[quaint sequoia]

is trinket from Jailer anygood?

[limber lion]

Nah

[kindred dune]

gotcha on ST as well? like when having a prio target in m+ and vendetta it, do you also spam CT when axe is up?

[limber lion]

No

[bleak sky]

surely your group has a better option for kyrian/nf, no?

[limber lion]

Axe is a padding tool

[kindred dune]

ok so just on bigger grps

thanks

[bleak sky]

you don't spam ct

basically ever

[limber lion]

nah

you do

[hollow escarp]

on 39+ mobs

[kindred dune]

I think you do on axe

[subtle tundra]

in axe, you do

[bleak sky]

[limber lion]

It's fine to do with Axe

and on Anduin intermission

[hollow escarp]

[bleak sky]

cursed timeline

[limber lion]

You just maintain energy saturation

[bleak sky]

delet this

[limber lion]

and go ham

[subtle tundra]

no...?

[limber lion]

If you ONLY spam FOK/CT then you'll run out of juice

[subtle tundra]

what do you prefer, spam fok ct or just fok

[limber lion]

so you have to reapply some garrotes/ruptures

but yeh

fok ct

[bleak sky]

[hollow escarp]

so black powder spam but different spec

[limber lion]

once every 3.5 minutes on big packs only

yeah

[hollow escarp]

I guess it's not that bad

[subtle tundra]

and less dps*

[hollow escarp]

might as well turn brain off in intermission and avoid walls

[limber lion]

yeh

[kindred dune]

can you share how you play let’s say a grp of 5+ mobs? 3 garrotes into 5 sbs with CT and ruptures inbetween?

[limber lion]

ss/bp with axe is still so much more damage

than fok/ct spam with axe

get the same amount of hits in

actually not true

[subtle tundra]

i got close to 100k dps with ss/bp spam

[limber lion]

bp gets more

because of the shadow portion

so 3 instead of 2

[subtle tundra]

its dumb fuck sub

[bleak sky]

100k

wtb cache

[subtle tundra]

wtb sin dps

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

LF [A Reason To Live]

[bleak sky]

maybe next expansion champ

I heard the new dragonforged abilities are pretty good for sin

[gusty mirage]

Aren’t you a havoc DH main now?

[vestal wren]

i think sin is dps wise in a good position now esp. due to the rly strong tier 4p

[bleak sky]

I swear to god if I have to play this spec again I'll toaster bath myself

and I don't even have a bathtub

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

i meant m+

[gusty mirage]

Just give us shrouded suffocation back and make FoK work like shuriken storm

[quaint sequoia]

if its not best at everything then its not good enough kappa

[subtle tundra]

please dont make fok work like shuriken storm

[gusty mirage]

1cp per target hit

[subtle tundra]

yea, dont

thats sub's thing

[gusty mirage]

What’s ours? Pressing fan 3 times for 5cp?

[subtle tundra]

make it based on garroted/ruptured targets or something

[quaint sequoia]

make shrouded suffocation baseline and I can die happy

[gusty mirage]

I mean idc how they give us the combo points, I just want them lmao

An extra cp for every bleeding target would be more than fine for me

[subtle tundra]

you ramp up the ruptures and should get a pay off

[vestal wren]

necrolord isn't terrible in m+ its just that overall dps isn't the metric you bring a rogue for

[bleak sky]

still gets shit on by sub

[subtle tundra]

but it kinda is

the dps is bad compared to basically everything

[vestal wren]

so, you want to get memed on by guy just like subtlety?

[subtle tundra]

that you do overall

[gusty mirage]

He literally cosplays as jack sparrow

He ain’t memeing on anyone

[vestal wren]

haha ^^

[gusty mirage]

I just miss the way sin played in keys in bfa and legion

This new iteration sucks

[quaint sequoia]

I miss 3cp garrotes

[gusty mirage]

Yeah shrouded suffocation was giga

Could’ve made maim mangle a diet version of it

Instead of “garrote increases mutilate damage”

[quaint sequoia]

was the 3cp I miss the most

[bleak sky]

but mutilate does so much damage oxi

[gusty mirage]

Yuge

[white orchid]

Need echoing blades back

[vestal wren]

the main diffrence is that the prio damage is lower due to not having a certain azerite power

also vanish is now a dps cooldown

(only more or less a utility cooldown on subtlety)

[gusty mirage]

Yeah ngl I can go an entire raid boss without pressing vanish as sub and not even notice

[subtle tundra]

im not complaining about gameplay

its just no dmg

in m+

[gusty mirage]

I mean if it did damage we’d be more accepting of how it plays for sure

[vestal wren]

the 10% buff to aoe should make outlaw a bit better

i just finished updating the spreadsheet for the buffs, need to re-run profiles for the pantheon fight part still but that won't take forever

[gusty mirage]

Their tier is still bugged to hell and their ST is still mediocre

Unlucky

[bleak sky]

10% buff to no damage still no damage

idk

[white orchid]

They should just make poison bomb baseline honestly. Or some baseline aoe finisher like sub got this xpac

[gusty mirage]

They’ll get free 10% pad on anduin intermission

[bleak sky]

[vestal wren]

also i was surprised that treasure cache waving was such a big gain for outlaw, some profiles saw 1% dps gain from that apl line

[glass tulip]

What is this boomer chat today

Wake up people you're in the wrong expansion

[vestal wren]

tbh i think legion had quite good iteration for all 3 specs

[gusty mirage]

Is it 10.0 already?

[willow eagle]

Eh I think outlaw improved gameplay-wise since it's legion implementation

[vestal wren]

Poison bomb in execute rng for high parses tho

agree retro

[willow eagle]

It's the one spec that keeps getting better and better imo

[gusty mirage]

I agree

Pirate was pretty fun when I played it in 9.0, and I absolutely despised it in legion and bfa

[vestal wren]

i think outlaw just needs tuning tho

[willow eagle]

Yeah

"outlaw feels great everywhere except the damage meters"

Sin in m+ does seem very fun tho with multidoting

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’s a lot of fun but sadly no dam

[bleak sky]

gameplay: very pog
dps: not pog

[fleet whale]

Is outlaw the worst spec in the game currently?

[bleak sky]

ferals exist

[gusty mirage]

You’re putting in more effort for significantly less dps than sub

[bleak sky]

ferals down BAD

[gusty mirage]

Yeah definitely feral lol

Outlaw’s still pretty okay, it just needs some tuning and it’ll be fine

[willow eagle]

Is that just an issue of sins damage profiles rn generally being more focused on melee, envenoms rather than poisons and bleeds?

[bleak sky]

I haven't seen a single feral / aff lock (keys) / udk so far

[fleet whale]

Isn’t outlaw bugged to hell though

[gusty mirage]

Whereas feral is just yikers

[fleet whale]

Like that’s a reason why it’s damage is dodo

[gusty mirage]

Yeah their tier is bugged rn too

[willow eagle]

Tier set is bugged but also inherently weak compared to other 2 spec tiers

[gusty mirage]

It’s damage is doo doo because it’s under tuned and the tier didn’t really do much to fix that

[fleet whale]

How is outlaw in pvp?

[willow eagle]

Good

All 3 specs saw play in awc

[gusty mirage]

Really really good in 2s and can find some solid comps in 3s

There’s a lot of melee cleaves now and outlaw is a good counter to that

[hollow escarp]

tfw I do less damage on pantheon with 2 legendaries than I did with 1

[willow eagle]

🤨

[bleak sky]

I hate pantheon ngl

[gusty mirage]

They hate you too

[bleak sky]

good

keep it that way

[vestal wren]

i don't like multi dotting as a concept for aoe, but sin has at least a nice feedback loop from it

[bleak sky]

so they know to target me with all the mechanics and I get to afk until it's dead

[gusty mirage]

I’m telling the warlocks on you

Affi locks about to put a hit out on fuu

[fleet whale]

I just think it’s funny with how outlaw is performing, the solution blizz has is to just buff blade flurry

[vestal wren]

assassination is basically a melee warlock spec

[fleet whale]

Like they didn’t even give The spec an aura buff

[limber lion]

yes we're blasting out chaos bolts, infernals and demons

[willow eagle]

I found sin on altimor to be super fun

With all the energy regen you get rewarded

[vestal wren]

letme correct: melee affliction warlocks

[limber lion]

imagine though

a demon rogue

[vestal wren]

thowing poison vials at enemies

[limber lion]

Like Demon Hunter but even more edgier

[bleak sky]

Demon Hunter Hunter

[limber lion]

Demon Demon Hunter Hunter

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

tbh i think there is a big missed oppotunity to give wls a glyph to skin their imps like cats

[gusty mirage]

That’s a lot of cats

[vestal wren]

would be a lot cuter, and they would all seem like the insane cat lady from simpsons

[limber lion]

imagine sending out 30 cats to explode on your enemies

[vestal wren]

sheeps wold work too as a reference to worms

[timber gale]

report: did a boss where i did not have to do mechanics and did 2.5k extra dps

vibes restored

[vestal wren]

nice

[gusty mirage]

Yeah sounds about right

[limber lion]

[timber gale]

how do i use mfd when.... not in flag

do i ever

[limber lion]

Yeah once in between

[timber gale]

i was p sure the cd works out that i can do it once inbetween but i've never pressed the button in my life

[limber lion]

You can use it with the Shiv that you use between Vend/Flag casts

[timber gale]

so i just let it ride so I didn't goof something

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I use it in shiv between flag uses

[limber lion]

Yeh, you can use it with every Shiv pretty much

because you want to hold the second Shiv anyways to sync with Flag/Vend

So might as well

[kindred dune]

anyone knows what the dps difference is between venth ST vs necro ST?

with 4p double leggo

[hollow escarp]

oh no

[balmy condor]

It’s actually impossible to know the difference

When I woke up today, raidbots.com didn’t exist anymore

So I guess we’ll never know

[kindred dune]

oh?

will check the site

[vestal wren]

necro is quite noticable behind venthyr in single target

[wild mural]

Am I suppose to let the bleeds applied during vendetta expire and reapply or can i refresh them? w/ 4pc

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[kindred dune]

thank you

[balmy condor]

Pandemic during vendetta with 4 piece is halved, but you want to refresh at the end to let them overhang since it snapshots them

[echo geyser]

Stat weights throw it out the window

[willow eagle]

The nightfae dream died fast

[echo geyser]

[balmy condor]

True

[gusty mirage]

nah its still there

[balmy condor]

False, I still play fae

[willow eagle]

Oh?

I thought there's no reason to run fae over venth

[hollow escarp]

there are a lot of reasons to do it

[bleak sky]

If you don't want to deal with the venthyr bullshit of sitting on the boss forever yeah play fae

[echo geyser]

Fae has soulshape

[subtle tundra]

fae is cute

[hollow escarp]

fae is less punishing than venthyr

[bleak sky]

@gusty mirage is cute

[wild mural]

Got it, thanks.

[gusty mirage]

minalba is blind

got emmmmm

[bleak sky]

I do play dh true

[willow eagle]

Gonna have a look into fae

[gusty mirage]

I'm playing fae on desausage

[hollow escarp]

venthyr on sausage is kinda nice

for the shields

2nd shield is kinda cringe since you have to hold vendetta for it

[pure moth]

On mythic i assume?

[hollow escarp]

yeah

[bleak sky]

Is there a shield on heroic?

There isn't right?

[hollow escarp]

it's tiny

[bleak sky]

ooo

[hollow escarp]

it's on LFR as well

don't ask me how I know

[bleak sky]

Doing it all for tier pieces, rough life

[hollow escarp]

well, on alts, but still

[willow eagle]

Kojack with his 9 alts

[hollow escarp]

LFR is a spiritual experience

[bleak sky]

Fills you with perseverance

[willow eagle]

I mean right now it's fine because ppl are trying hard to get tier

[bleak sky]

Determination(?)

One of the two

[umbral rapids]

i think it's determination

[gusty mirage]

who hurt you

[hollow escarp]

I like this raid

[fading wigeon]

Got my third tier piece in lfr. So I'm a believer

[bleak sky]

All I wanna do is halondrus

Want to babysit a bomb for 300 wipes

[hollow escarp]

300?

optimistic

[willow eagle]

Tbf babysitting bomb sounds really fun

[bleak sky]

We get to halondrus next week I think

So I'm hoping it's nerfed a tiny bit by then

[hollow escarp]

how's lihuvim?

[bleak sky]

No idea yet

But decent wipes on pantheon, it dies next week too

Ravenholdt fellas been saying lihuvim is kinda free so that's what I'm hoping for

[strange python]

Hi, I am just leveling a rogue right now, still very low level but I wonder how Assassination is in the new raid, is it okay or will people be mad at me when I play it?

[bleak sky]

It's good, you're fine

[strange python]

cool, thank you very much

[patent granite]

hello peeps, ive stalked trough the assassination faq, and it still says that NF is our strongest singlet target covenant. But the Pin here says Venthyr, and i believe whatever i read. what..covenant partner? does one use on a pure single target pick with venthyr

nevermind, im just blind and have found it

[hollow escarp]

you can try both and play whatever you enjoy the most

[fleet whale]

Venth ST is much more complex than NF if you are trying to min/max venth

[dry copper]

How big of a %difference is the two?

Basically, is it like icefury for ele shaman which is a Sim trap

[crystal raft]

pin has it at 300dps more with best gear if you really execute the venth hullabaloo perfectly. i like playing venth so i might stick with it but you can feel in SoFo how annoying it is being a slave to uptime

[delicate stump]

for anduin we take necrolord right?

[pure moth]

Venthyr.
Necro is still good for downstairs as well.. both work

[vestal zodiac]

for the venthyr tech do we hold shiv for vendetta/flag

[red plaza]

Yes

Then you should have one for in between

[pure moth]

Still only holding it no more than 10 seconds though right?

[spice spire]

It is not a sim trap as results are being Actively gained from it. It involves snapshotting, which some people have as a big turn off to some (venthyr)

[soft merlin]

maybe dumb question

if you throw sbs and you have the necro lego, when it jumps to another - should it give you more kevin stacks or does it only give you kevin on the first hit?

[balmy condor]

I’m fairly certain it’s just the initial

[soft merlin]

yeah, seems like it.

[pseudo hamlet]

@balmy condor I sent you a PM! 😊

[balmy condor]

Yeah gonna be honest king I saw bis list and stopped reading

[drifting cloud]

@balmy condor I sent you feet pics

[fleet whale]

"Frayed Robe" is BiS chest piece

[balmy condor]

Explaining bis lists over and over is exhausting

[spice spire]

GCB BiS? NOTED

[balmy condor]

Tier doesn’t change stats

You’ll always want high ilvl

[fleet whale]

I want a BiS list + an essay explaining why Prey on the Weak is the greatest talent in the game

[balmy condor]

By the time you can start thinking about actual bis items, droptimizer easily takes care of everything

[spice spire]

🛑

[pseudo hamlet]

I mean, the spreadsheet isn't working... don't want to have the same situation as I had in 9.1. The sims shown me good pieces for the exact gear I had back then, but when I actually got the full frost set the sim shown me different ones and had to farm them once again. :/

[spice spire]

That’s the beauty of input

[bleak sky]

gear is like that right

it's dynamic

[spice spire]

You can add certain pieces to your list to see the best combo.

[balmy condor]

Haste is good, crit is good

If there’s anything crazy changing stats there would be an faq note or a pin about it

[pseudo hamlet]

That's the reason why I'd like to see the "bis list", at least which pieces should I focus on getting. Especially while not having the 4PC and the good double legendaries.

[balmy condor]

Otherwise just top gear and droptimize

[bleak sky]

so you focus on getting 4pc

😄

[pseudo hamlet]

Yeah, but that's not the point though.

[balmy condor]

That’s just not how that works though that’s the whole thing I’m trying to get across

[pseudo hamlet]

Ok, so Haste+Crit items.

[balmy condor]

I can’t just say “anything with crit haste” cause that’s wrong

I can’t say “anything high ilvl” cause that’s wrong

Telling you 850 crit 600 haste 200 mastery is stupid for obvious reasons

It’s a mix

[pseudo hamlet]

I want to know which gear should I try to get when I get proper legendaries+278ilvl 4set. I've got enough gold and will 99,9% sure get 278ilvl items from the Great Vault that I would swap to the tier pieces when the Cypher unlocks.

[bleak sky]

you can do that though

add those items to your simc string and run a droptimizer

[balmy condor]

What’s “bis” changes

[spice spire]

To add on to this, you can get a string for ANY item from wowhead.

[balmy condor]

Last patch I could’ve told you that sylv belt was bis

But it wasn’t for a lot of people

[spice spire]

You may have to adjust levels and stuff

[pseudo hamlet]

That's also good idea, but the problem is that I'd have to sim the gear plenty of times. Maybe 4pieces + legendary legs are better?

[balmy condor]

There’s like 4 belts that all sim within margin of error

[bleak sky]

holy that's HUGE

[balmy condor]

Like there is no good way to convey bis lists

[pseudo hamlet]

Thought that there are some kind of the "highest DPS" possible set of gear already.

[balmy condor]

I tried it in 9.0

[spice spire]

But that’s the thing, gear is dynamic and you doing it for yourself, instead of whispyr doing it for everybody

[spice spire]

Did you unironically not know this?

[balmy condor]

Yes but following that is troll and there’s like 40-50 combinations that are within 10 dps

[spice spire]

I can’t tell if you’re trolling me

[bleak sky]

legitimately didn't know this. I've been doing gear compare -> get string all this time

[balmy condor]

Bis items aren’t bis until you have all the pieces

[bleak sky]

honest to god

[pseudo hamlet]

There were speadsheets in 9.0 and 9.1 with "bis" gear. That's the reason why I am asking.

[balmy condor]

Yes

And we stopped doing those

Because they failed

Miserably

It was one of the worst mistakes I have ever made

[spice spire]

From the archives

[pseudo hamlet]

So that means you are actually quite successful if bis lists were one of your worst mistakes 😛

[bleak sky]

quick question: why do "bis lists" exist for classic/old wow?

[limber lion]

damn look at those cuties

a green and red boy

:3

[bleak sky]

do they not have sims? or idk

[fleet whale]

less gear

in vanilla

[balmy condor]

Trying to attain bis when you’re 15 ilvl behind is not how gearing works in this game

[fleet whale]

game is old

[spice spire]

Buddy that’s an ancient picture

One of my first adds to the vault

[balmy condor]

And thinking about bis items before you have the foundations is just asinine

[pseudo hamlet]

Sure thing, but that's not an argument.

[spice spire]

????

[bleak sky]

it is an argument though

like a solid one

[loud light]

if you're going to be an ass about demanding someone provides you a 'bis list' maybe just go do the sims yourself

[drifting cloud]

I dunno about you but im going for mythic jailer belt, gonna keep my sylvannas one until then

[pseudo hamlet]

I wrote already that I've got 278ilvl items from Great Vault that will swap to the Tier Sets.

[dry copper]

maybe you have a different definition of simtrap. I think of it as something that works in ideal conditions + play, but is exceedingly difficult to ever actually meet that level of play. Icefury is anumerical increase, but people don't play it because it's real fucking hard to even get close to the sims on it.

[bleak sky]

you have the tools needed to run "future upgrade" sims, you don't really need someone holding your hand with a "bis list" that might not actually be best for your character in a current state

[spice spire]

It’s doable was my argument

[pseudo hamlet]

I asked for a favor, didn't "demand" anything. We had "bis lists" in 9.0 and 9.1, thought there are some bis lists anywhere and Whispyr is a right person to ask him about that.

[spice spire]

Not a complete “oh fuck this is an impossible task, that requires perfect scenarios” this is just good play trap

[fleet whale]

simtrap to me always means impractical in most scenarios

this venth build may suck gameplay wise, but its possible to execute well

[limber lion]

Good times :')

[spice spire]

This isn’t necessarily a you thing.
I’m 99% whispyr gets this on the reg and is asked for constantly

[echo geyser]

oh how the turns have tabled

[fleet whale]

It's ironic how simming becoming far more advanced in recent years in wow effectively killed bis lists

[balmy condor]

Aight I’ll give you a secret life hack, you have shown a very forceful desire to completely troll yourself in your gearing process, and at this point, I can’t help you. If you truly, truly want to be so stubborn about thinking about gear, go here, open the Assassination drop down, then the gear drop down, and look at that https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T28_Raid.html

I only ask that when your gear is in shambles and you didn’t take upgrades because you tried to follow a bis list, you sit by yourself and suffer through it on your own instead of bothering anyone about how to fix it

[loud light]

and remember if it's not on that list it's not bis

do NOT take it

[celest marlin]

CT only in vendeta window ?

ST or 2 targets q

[red plaza]

CT always in ST if you're talented in to it

[celest marlin]

hmm this walking 4p 2lege

[pseudo hamlet]

I am sorry if I did sound "like an ass" for asking if there are any bis lists.
As I wrote above - I once tried simming myself and that was mistake because it shown me the items that were actually simming less after I got the full frost set.
Just didn't want to do the same mistake, that's all.

[drifting cloud]

you arent clearing mythic, even if a bis list existed it wouldnt apply to you?

[bleak sky]

just sim yourself with a 4p + double leggo and run a droptimizer

[balmy condor]

Yes and we’re trying to help you grow and improve your gearing mindfulness as a player and you’re refusing to take any advice seriously, so take the bis list, and figure it out yourself I guess

[bleak sky]

if you really want to plan ahead for future stuff

[loud light]

sets like tier and the frost shard set are the only things that are really going to throw a huge wrench in sims, but you have to keep in mind your stat prios will change as your gear changes

so droptimizer at current ilvl will tell you different things than after you upgrade a few pieces

and it's not necessarily going to stabilize at a 'bis' list until you literally have that best setup

[pseudo hamlet]

Not yet though.

[celest marlin]

so 2 target boss fight need to have full poison/bleeds on both before Shiv rigt?

[pseudo hamlet]

Thank you, that's all what I wanted!

[upbeat needle]

BIS list isn't a place to start, it's a place to end up. You should just focus on gaining power upgrades from wherver you can find them. Once you're at the point where you're 11/11M you should worry about super BIS shit

[bleak sky]

cev pinned an opener for 2t

[upbeat needle]

Biggest damage upgrade is gonna come from tier and trinkets so get those first, then whatever armor/rings you get that sim as an upgrade, put em on

[slow marsh]

Holy shit sim traps and bis lists I missed the good stuff

Rip me

[pseudo hamlet]

Yeah and I will totally do that! I was always simming my gear.

[upbeat needle]

For sure. You're on the right path then

[bleak sky]

hi what's the haste breakpoint

[slow marsh]

69% obviously

[misty holly]

Bloodmallet has a gear profile they show too, can use that.

[slow marsh]

Jk it's 30 cuz we're supposed to have 30%/30%/30%/30% right

[spice spire]

Ahh yes the DRs

[misty holly]

If you haven't race changed to mechgnome you'

need to

[slow marsh]

I don't get why people don't just plug in tier / double leggo and then sim droptimizer if they care that much

[winter vapor]

So normal jailer seems like a pita to stick to get full flag stacks..

[spice spire]

Pita? Or puta?

[winter vapor]

the former

[balmy condor]

I’ll let you puta pain in my ass

[slow marsh]

Uwu

[spice spire]

I don’t understand then

[slow marsh]

Pain in the ass

[spice spire]

AHHH

[bleak sky]

get with the times old man geezz

[balmy condor]

I’ll explain when you’re older kid

[spice spire]

Legit never heard that abbreviation

[balmy condor]

Dw bout it

[spice spire]

Buddy I’m almost a decade older than you

[slow marsh]

Buddy you're a boomer we get it

[balmy condor]

That’s great champ go ask your mother

Daddy needs some alone time with his sims okay

[bleak sky]

d-d-daddy...?

[spice spire]

Triggered

[balmy condor]

Gonna make this bis list my bitch list if you know what I mean

[spice spire]

Ayo?

[slow marsh]

Can I be on it

[spice spire]

Nah

[slow marsh]

Ynot

[spice spire]

Rogue mains only, no survival hunters allowed

Side note: any hits on apps yet mister iceblades?

[slow marsh]

Ye

I xferred to zul jin cuz 2 guilds want me to trial this week

[bleak sky]

Refined maybe?

[slow marsh]

Ye

[bleak sky]

hell ye

[spice spire]

Nice! Which guilds? Or if you don’t want to air and cars to share, DM

[bleak sky]

they're good

[slow marsh]

Refined and hagl

[bleak sky]

one of my guildies went to refined, seems to be doing pretty welll

[spice spire]

#2

[slow marsh]

What you know

[spice spire]

DMs

[twin rivet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g7qrYuHEx7C2NJ9bJAjRps any idea why AR + SB is listed there ?

[gusty mirage]

because you're night fae

[slow marsh]

Read unity

[gusty mirage]

toxic onslaught gives them to you

[twin rivet]

ye i should learn to read 😄

[balmy condor]

Unironic Hagl app

[cyan kestrel]

For M+ I can get upwards of 95% uptime on kevin so I assume my uptime on LBE would be similar is there a clear winner between the 2 that I’m missing or is it just kevin for more ST and Emani for aoe + supportive

[slow marsh]

To be fair

[drifting cloud]

wait who was in hagl, was it oxi

[slow marsh]

I didn't know

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[bleak sky]

Refined seems legit good though Ice, I thought they were going to be a trap guild but they're kinda blasting

[slow marsh]

But refined was my first pick anyways

[balmy condor]

Basically the latter

[cyan kestrel]

Emani every time? Sorry I’m a bit slow

[slow marsh]

Ye the guy said they have some blaster ranged and they just need to replace their monkey melee. They seem to be doing well on 2 days so

[bleak sky]

"kevin for more ST and Emani for aoe + supportive"

that's what he meant pretty sure

[spice spire]

2 day mythic is a W for sure

[cyan kestrel]

Ahhh Ok Ty ❤️

[balmy condor]

Np

[green badge]

Hey guys, in M+ I'm trying to get the most out of my Vendetta but at the same time Garrote/Rupture as many targets as possible, so always feel I'm tabbed away from my Vendetta target. How do you guys play it?

[limber lion]

With or without 4p?

[green badge]

Without for now, but be interested more in with as trying to get used to that playstyle 🙂

[limber lion]

So without the tier set you pretty much want to use Vendetta on just any mob that is high health or that you need to focus down

You don't really have to play around it too too much, you just continue applying bleeds to everything around you

With the tier set you want to put more emphasis on focusing the target that has Vendetta on it

[green badge]

AWesome thanks!

[misty holly]

on higher keys you should have time to put up a bunch of bleeds, then focus one thing down with vendetta.

On lower keys sometimes things die fast enough it feels useless lol

[green badge]

Yeah I'm barely being invited to 6s at this point, so glad to get 4 ruptures up in a pack lol

Good to know it's better when stuff has more hp!

[bleak sky]

oh it's a lot better

you really don't get to play the game doing lower keys

[green badge]

Yep, still trying to gear up. Been trying to join Normal Sep for about 2 hours now

[safe barn]

you know what

sin is fun as well

4p is so great

[slow marsh]

Ye it's not bad at all for raid

[viscid spear]

What's up fellow no/one piece havers?

[balmy condor]

That’s an anime

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/good-soup-good-soup-meme-meme-adam-driver-gif-22924425

[lean fossil]

i cant wait to see this list so i know what items i wont get all tier 😄

[storm onyx]

Does anyone know how to enable Execute Range in plater even if we dont have blindside chosen?

[fading mason]

Is there a Apl for Raidbots that includes the snapshot shananigans

[grand vine]

hey team what's CT ? "MFD - CT - Vend "

[limber lion]

Single Target

Marked for Death

Crimson Tempest

Vendetta

[grand vine]

Ohhh tyyyy

[limber lion]

They are already in, the rotation is a bit scuffed though

[fading mason]

a ok the opener that raidbots sims doesnt include ct before Vend

[winter vapor]

CT isnt worth over PB before tier right?

for the more ST fights

[stray python]

Hello Assassination enjoyers. In mythic + I've recently noticed that if I just perform my single target rotation while simply refreshing CT, I seem to average higher dps than throwing fan of knives/ruptures even at around 5 to 6 targets. Anyone having this experience?

[normal mist]

Im a sbs enjoyer

Im a 10 targets sbs enjoyer actually

Now seriously, how much overall are you being able to pull with that rotation @stray python ?

[jovial spear]

Is there a NF guide out there for 9.2? Tried Venthyr, didn’t like it with 4pc

[marsh fjord]

Guys, i was wondering something, some people go with MFD some do with vigor and some do with DS is it just based on simming yourself at that point? or how do see this?

[oak sky]

Mfd is good for venthyr, ds is good for all other covenants, vigor is for lazy people

[marsh fjord]

Do you still take MFD when you have 4 set and double legendary?

i'm very new to rogue and at the start it's quite overwhelming ngl

[proper tapir]

The Sin FAQ channel has some info, or search this channel for anything Whyper has been saying. I'm pretty sure she is sub but likes NF or something.

[jovial spear]

Thanks!

[pure moth]

Whispyr is a guy, fyi.

[spice spire]

he's a catboy

[oak sky]

Yeah, for the current venthyr build you always go mfd

[marsh fjord]

Thats not what most guides are saying tho.

But if you say so 😄

[oak sky]

Its in the pins my friend

Venthyr has been mfd since last patch

Vigor is fine if that's what you want to do but it just does less damage

[marsh fjord]

is the wowhead article not update then anymore?

[oak sky]

It should have some stuff about mfd

Might not be updated that venthyr is the best covenant yet though

[marsh fjord]

on wowhead it said that if you have 4p with double legendary you go DS

[oak sky]

Thats for the night fae build

Or necro in multi target

[marsh fjord]

It doesnt say any cov

[oak sky]

But things have shifted due to the stuff in the pins about venthyr

[marsh fjord]

it's just generalised

alright

[oak sky]

The guide might get updated later

If you don't trust me ask whispyr, hes the guide writer

[marsh fjord]

i do trust you

I was just curious 😄

[oak sky]

Yeah no worries

Venthyr would've been mfd anyway but since it wasn't the best option the guide said go deeper subt and all that

[marsh fjord]

yeah

[pallid swallow]

guys what is the best trinkets for ass atm?

[limber lion]

I prefer the fox-tail ones

Gives me the umpf I need to start my day right

Plug and play baby

[slim hedge]

Anyone else experiencing allot of Kidney Shots missing?

[zinc frost]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-blinking-checks-phone-gif-17886696

[ebon notch]

rechargeable i assume

[balmy condor]

Refuse to put anything venthyr into a guide until it’s shown to be in overwhelming dominance over fae

Miss me with all that snapshot shit

[oak sky]

Yeah fair enough

Thats why i said might and not will

[marsh fjord]

Why is there still not a area in WoW where i can select to refresh my cooldowns so i can try to get better on dummy's

[opaque mauve]

picked up necro recently, enjoying the extra cleave, what would u guys say was best double leggo combo with it in keys

[balmy condor]

Dusk

Good boos damage

Boss*

[opaque mauve]

been using unity and dusk

[balmy condor]

You can try zold as well if you’d like

For the aoe

Dusk kinda sucks in aoe

[opaque mauve]

ye thats what i was thinking, but 2 vendettas per boss is nice

[balmy condor]

It sorta fills the role of subs funnel damage

Same concept

[opaque mauve]

thanks 🙂

[timber gale]

just played with mfd in a key

how do you absolute sickos live with yourselves

[spice spire]

we’re gaming

That’s how

Also self hate

[glass tulip]

Why would you play mfd

Subt vigor?

[timber gale]

ya i mean i play vigor 99% of the time

[spice spire]

Resets mister mavv

[timber gale]

was just trying it out to see options

will never touch mfd again for as long as i live

[spice spire]

Never say never

[fleet whale]

Chad feelscraft vs Virgin Min-maxxer

[limber lion]

Hell nah, never playing MFD in keys

[slow marsh]

yeah who does that

[limber lion]

I'll play Necro in every single dungeon, megachilling

[gusty mirage]

we make fun of those people around here

for being sick in the head

[timber gale]

Cev has me this close to grinding Necro renown

I deserve to know peace

[fleet whale]

well on the plus side you only have to grind renown once

for each covenant

[normal mist]

Necro zold feels absolutely poggers, i hate it when I have to go venthyr for sd or hoa :(

[limber lion]

Good thing Renown is a freebie with the new campaign renown thing, just get the free 40 renown from the vendor, do the campaign and you'll be at 70+.

[gusty mirage]

it's actually insane how easy it is to get renown now

[slow marsh]

true you just log on to hunter and do the ZM quests as NF and never have to swap it's so nice

[kindred dune]

cev how much dps you do in m+ overall? like average?

[ebon notch]

for you APL gamers out there, is blindside even remotely close to EP for assa?

[slow marsh]

wym apl gamers

[ebon notch]

idk people who know shit

im not picky

[modest glen]

with the venth thingy, how long is it ok to hold vendetta to wait for flag? if mechanics happen and it doesnt line up right

[slow marsh]

I mean it sims -500 dps in ST which is the only scenario you would take it in anyways

You hold vend for every flag unless you really messed up and it's like 30s

[modest glen]

ait, ty

simming 400dps more as venth than fae so gotta give it a go

[oak sky]

we're giga overcapping bro

and with the overhang

thats even more regen on average

[lunar otter]

@limber lion u m+ as assa ye ? whats your build homie

[slow marsh]

Pretty sure he's a hidden blades enjoyer with the toxic blade leggo

[balmy condor]

Remember that one week at the end of legion where hidden blades and the legendary it was based on were both usable

And it was crazy dumb

[lunar otter]

hehe

[oak sky]

eb

?

[balmy condor]

And we thought no way fok does this much damage

[versed mica]

Fast bfa leveling lmao

[balmy condor]

And then echoing blades happened

[versed mica]

Based

[oak sky]

and now we get the insane and epic conduit pk

[versed mica]

Replace hidden blades with echoing blades so it can be a bad talent too

[rancid pier]

will duskwalker be good in mythic+ or just raid?

[zinc frost]

Will be good for prio mobs, dungeons like ToP, PF and tyrannical weeks, so yes it’ll be good.

[daring cave]

Can anyone help me figure out why i am always energy starving? is it because im not using vigor or should i try that

[zinc frost]

What talents are you using?

[daring cave]

I was using MA and MfD

Because i dont have any Tier sets

I switched to 2/2/1 instead of 2/3/3. will this effect hurt since i dont have any tier gear

[zinc frost]

You don’t want to run subterfuge in ST unless you have tier set. With no tier you should be running dashing/unity and venthyr with mfd and ma.

[daring cave]

Ok. was just curious cuz after the switch my energy seems better. but i will keep trying it

[zinc frost]

Dashing will help with energy regen till you get tier set and start running duskwalkers

[daring cave]

Thanks

[high storm]

hi guys what opener for nero assa

[fleet whale]

just got a 259 umbral shiv from the timewalking cache... not a bad upgrade over my welfare 226 lol

[odd heath]

M Prototype p3 is peak assassination funsies

hectic

[untold nest]

Can timewalking drop tier ? Or only regular loot?

[grim tangle]

until that one pull where you get the debuff and you have to run across the room to get dispelled

[odd heath]

got it sometimes

but our first kill, some mins ago, I got blesses with zero mechanics lol

[odd heath]

regular only

[fleet whale]

I'm surprised i got a weapon from it tbh

I usually only get item slots that are already taken by a leggo from those caches

[indigo mulch]

How do i sim with warrior conqueror's banner

[slow marsh]

I just want to say that while sin can be justified in raid now kinda, I still hate that there's just no shot for sin in keys

[bleak sky]

I mean it's ok in keys right

you're just not gonna do the high keys

[slow marsh]

It's passable in a quick 15 but like

Even then

[bleak sky]

15 you can't even play as sin

shit just melts

I feel like you need to be in the 20s range to play sin and have some sort of fun

[slow marsh]

Btw who do you know in refined

[bleak sky]

their druid, I can't remember their name since they just changed it

[slow marsh]

Ye true I'll have to try again in like 20 of or top or something

[bleak sky]

Seelesstiowl

I thought of going there last season when they were reforming but felt like a trap. Good to see they're doing great

[slow marsh]

Ye seems like it idk. I guess we'll see right lol

[bleak sky]

have you transferred yet?

[slow marsh]

Ye I joined tonight

[bleak sky]

[slow marsh]

Yeeeee just need to blast in heroic Tues like I usually do and I should be gucci

[grim tangle]

don't steal jish's spot he's my best friend

[slow marsh]

Na he chill and RL said we runnin double rogue so /shrug

[gusty mirage]

Tell Jish I say hi, and tell him that I’m mad at him for not playing mfd last tier after I told him to

[balmy condor]

Sub doesn’t play mfd

[gusty mirage]

He played sin last tier

Weird starege

[balmy condor]

Incorrect move

[gusty mirage]

Your mom

[balmy condor]

Mfd sin is sub-human behavior

[bleak sky]

ok zoomer

[gusty mirage]

Call me sub human then

[balmy condor]

Literally devolving back to a monkey

[gusty mirage]

Already there buddy

[balmy condor]

Can see your back hair growing in

[gusty mirage]

You said you liked it

[balmy condor]

MfD CT single target

Actual deranged people

[ebon notch]

its your fault

you made sims

[balmy condor]

It actually isn’t

[ebon notch]

pretty sure you invented the first sim

[twilit hollow]

@gusty mirage nice emote

[balmy condor]

I do a lot of shit

[ebon notch]

if you hadnt simmed

this wouldnt have happened

[balmy condor]

But this venthyr dumbfuckery isn’t my problem

[ebon notch]

we'd be blissfully ignorant

[balmy condor]

Dont pin this on me

[ebon notch]

we'd be playing fuckin

idk

[balmy condor]

We be playing FAE

FAE

[ebon notch]

venthyr or smth

but the wrong soublind

and master poisoner

and venom rush

[balmy condor]

That was my contribution

[ebon notch]

and we'd be HAPPY

[balmy condor]

I brought us into fae land

[ebon notch]

but now

[balmy condor]

Cev and koji took you out

Be mad at them

[ebon notch]

because you had to make

some funny words and dots and numbers and shit

now we get this

fuckin bits and bytes

and it ends up with CT MFD FLAG

make it make sense on god

jk im happy cause it means sin is more viable than it was before cause more damage = more viable

[balmy condor]

This isn’t the way brother

[ebon notch]

ITS THE ONLY WAY WE HAVE

THERE ISNT ANOTHER OPTION

[balmy condor]

Some things should remain buried

[ebon notch]

unless i am literally SHITTING on kids

i cant play sin

forced to be a fucking

korean sub andy

[balmy condor]

That’s a sex crime in multiple states

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

sry i mean kyrian

but i now pronounce it korean

[gusty mirage]

Okay less sus

[ebon notch]

im not in the states 😎

anyway when the police hears about your apl crimes ur goin away @balmy condor

on god

frfr

[gusty mirage]

You mean Cev’s APL crimes

[balmy condor]

Your country has states idiot

[ebon notch]

no they dont

wtf

[balmy condor]

What are they the

Then

PROVINCES?

[ebon notch]

counties

man

american education made this apl madness

100%

[balmy condor]

Cev is Swedish

[ebon notch]

cev was programmed to do the most damage possible

[balmy condor]

Finnish

[ebon notch]

you cant blame him

[balmy condor]

Whatever

Same shit

They’re both snow

[ebon notch]

ok cev himself is defo gonna murder you

[balmy condor]

Nah

[ebon notch]

along with the other sauna heads

[balmy condor]

He knows what he is

[gusty mirage]

He’s too busy using mfd ct to do that

[balmy condor]

They’re all snowmen up there

Can’t tell them apart

[ebon notch]

100% U P T I M E

[gusty mirage]

Bro fuck CT in single target

[ebon notch]

bro its legit

[gusty mirage]

Imagine playing that degen shit only to do less damage

[ebon notch]

just a button

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

but you do more damage

thats what makes it degen

[rich halo]

Cev isnt xp wasting

[ebon notch]

if it did less damage then itd just be autism

but the fact that it does more is degen

[gusty mirage]

It does less damage than other classes still

Unlucky

Ggs go next

[ebon notch]

i mean yeah but

rogue is shit

whats new

"hey look i am just a worse version of other classes hehehe pls just take one of me and ignore me while i do my thing"

[balmy condor]

Just Play fae

Game is for fun

Venthyr not fun

[glass tulip]

I bet woox plays a rogue

secretly plays wow with his feet while playing osrs with his hands

[balmy condor]

Replying to deleted message

[ebon notch]

HEY

[glass tulip]

censored

[ebon notch]

THATS TOXIC

[glass tulip]

nazi germany all over again

[gusty mirage]

Lmao get modded

[ebon notch]

fucking

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

idk

im pissed

ROYALLY pissed

[glass tulip]

key & peele, nice

[rich halo]

Daps is a Nadija-Haste-proc-during-downtime enjoyer

[glass tulip]

daps on fire with the references

[ebon notch]

tyty

[ebon notch]

bruh when the proc hits

[rich halo]

It’s a special feeling

[ebon notch]

whispyr called me a psycho for tracking it

idk

[timid cloud]

You’re all telling me you don’t like to have a haste snapshot like a feral Druid, putting in 150% more work for X% amount of less damage when I could just press my Black Powder & do da damage?

Seems a bit weirdge to me.

[fallow otter]

Some people play assassination, not rogue. I can't relate but everyone is different

[winter gale]

How do I sim for fights like Pantheon?

[torn atlas]

Pretty sure you can sim 4T patchwerk

[rotund oak]

Can confirm,fae although cringe is more fun than venthyr

[thin trout]

Yo with 4 set how do i optimise the vendetta windiw? Should i be tracking stuff like flaggelation and not reapply bleeds or something?

Refresh* pandenic

[oak sky]

the pandemic gets halved during vendetta, then any overhanging bleeds you let drop off before you refresh

halved because of 4p*

to be clear

[thin trout]

What do you mean halved? Instead of refresh at 6 sec 3 sec?

Atm im very used to refreshing garrote and rupture the moment i see these debuffs blink around 6 secs

[oak sky]

you can adjust your weak aura or plater to show half the values during vendetta

idk how but i know you can do it

[thin trout]

Good to know, so basically find the pandemic timer and half it to refresh? Whats the current timers at?

[oak sky]

you have to set it up so it only happens during vendetta

current timers should be gar at 5.8 and i believe rupture at like uhhh

[thin trout]

Yeah durung Vendetta 🙂

[oak sky]

7.2?

[gusty mirage]

7.2 or some shit like that

[oak sky]

yeah

just did the math

7.2

[thin trout]

So the vendetta refresh would be half of that? So 3.6 and 2.9?

[oak sky]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

You can probably make life easier on yourself and refresh at 4 and 3 tbh

[thin trout]

And what about last second vendetta refresh? How does the snapshots work with flaggelation tiners?

For rupture/garrote

[oak sky]

its not actually that complicated

if you flag then do your 2 finishers before vendetta

its always gonna last long enough for the last second bleeds

because flag buff lasts 24s

total

[thin trout]

Ah good so that wont be an issue okay thanks i guess i just have to practice a bit with the new pandemic timers

[winter gale]

How to sim for aoe encounters in Sepulcher? I'm adjusting my Necro sim*

[oak sky]

pretty hard to sim for a full aoe encounter, but for cleave you would just do 2T patchwerk or whatever

[thin trout]

Oh and double checking the shiv window - no CT during vendetta?

[oak sky]

maintain CT whenever you can

so like if snd is gonna drop you would envenom rather than maintaining CT

but otherwise always CT

[thin trout]

Even during shiv? Just because that was hammered into me

[winter gale]

New pandemic timers?

[oak sky]

yeah the 2p bleed stuff makes it good

[thin trout]

Okay good 🙂

[winter gale]

My garrote is refreshing sub6 and rupture sub 8 atm

I guess those are good

[thin trout]

Thanks alot I’ll try it out later today @oak sky

[oak sky]

np anytime

[thin trout]

Oh btw how string of a PI target are we now during vendetta

[hollow escarp]

warlock still better

[thin trout]

Rip

[strange python]

Not very surprising

[late birch]

am i like the only rogue here without 4set D:

[strange python]

I don’t have it

I missed heroic this week tho

[late birch]

its so tilting man

was so excited to try out the scuffed 8.3 build 😦

but have to wait an extra week or potentially longer

[oak sky]

i dont have it either

[warm drift]

Me too

A lot of people without 4p

[zinc frost]

Yeah it’s rough out there, no tier parsing gang

[oak sky]

i missed this week of heroic as well

[warm drift]

I did it all and lfr gave me my 3p

Forge is in 2 weeks?

[oak sky]

something like that

it definitely feels like its gonna be mostly for getting higher ilvl and alts, or for returning players

[zinc frost]

This raid tier giving me bad FOMO tho

[warm drift]

Yeah upgrading for sure a nice thing

[drifting forge]

I got 4set but didnt get to kill all bosses on hc this week

Pogging out wed then not getting to blast zzz

Oh sorry i read your msg wrong

[timid cloud]

I have 5pc tier.

2 on rogue, 2 on 2nd rogue, 1 on hunter.

Does that count?

[hollow escarp]

gonna be actually great for alts, I cba pugging anything above halondrus hc

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

why u got 2 rogues man

[timid cloud]

Tried pugging Heroic on alts, I want to pass away.

One for when I get banned for being a naughty boy.

[hollow escarp]

who doesn't have a 2nd rogue?

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

for what bro

[hollow escarp]

alliance/horde

[oak sky]

dude

who needs

alliance and horde

[timid cloud]

Mine are both horde.

[oak sky]

i only need horde

[timid cloud]

Same.

[oak sky]

alliance is useless until 9.2.5

[timid cloud]

😂 ain’t no one out here playing alliance in 2022 homie. Not until .5

[hollow escarp]

night elf in m+

[timid cloud]

NO

[hollow escarp]

idk, alliance racials are good enough to be worth swapping over if cross faction mythic raiding won't be a thing soon

since you can pug the rest with any faction

[oak sky]

i still just have 1 rogue tho bro

cba to maintain a 2nd when i can do a race swap if it gets bad enough or if i feel like it

i dunno maybe eventually ill make Gargleon

[hollow escarp]

diz?

[oak sky]

thats what i said i would call my alt rogue if i ever made it

since when some OT peoples names got changed that was one of mine

[late birch]

in M+ when playing necro with 4set do we stick with dusk or zold?

[subtle tundra]

dusk sims better but is harder to play since vendetta is hard to manage in aoe, so unless youre doing well already on assa i'd go zold

[late birch]

sick ty

[hollow escarp]

I tried both a bit but dusk feels better since you get vendetta very often and don't feel that bad if a tank pulls boss and you have no cds yet

[subtle tundra]

i actually wanna try nf this upcoming tyra week

i feel like its gonna be big ST

[hollow escarp]

korayn or?

[subtle tundra]

havent thought that much about it

[limber lion]

Korayn feels really, really good

[scenic kelp]

good morning, which soulbound would you prefer for m+? im playing necro in m+ but not sure which one is the best and which conduits i have to play 😄

[kindred dune]

in ST?

[limber lion]

Nah

Doesn't do jack in st

[brave gazelle]

Crys in nelf rouge

[limber lion]

Heirmir or Marileth, both are fine

[subtle tundra]

a lot of m+ bosses have adds + relics

[limber lion]

Yeh

You get First Strike from the actual relics

and you'll get one from the dismantler that spawns after

[hollow escarp]

I liked that we kinda had first strike with the frost shard last patch

[subtle tundra]

yea, dismantler, sure

[hollow escarp]

actual nice mechanic

[subtle tundra]

cause my group kills the correct one if i dont hard focus it

[limber lion]

lmao

[subtle tundra]

my opener on sub is ss rupture boss tornado in 4x evis the relic bro

[hollow escarp]

first boss top: kill uhr, dot 4 targets, kick searing death, shiv bloodhorn, don't use shiv again so you have it for Decapitator

[subtle tundra]

dont remind me about top first pull

[hollow escarp]

also feels good when 2 garrotes go into relics

[subtle tundra]

makes me cry

then you remember you could be sub press 2 button rotation

and easily do all the "tasks"

[hollow escarp]

yeah, and then I complain I have to shiv mid dance

[subtle tundra]

yea sure

compared to hold shiv on assa/ using shiv on non-vendetta target

[hollow escarp]

I just press vendetta after bloodhorn is dead

probably not the best idea

[subtle tundra]

not with dusk

[hollow escarp]

I played zoldyck in ToP so far

[subtle tundra]

cant play zold, its on my tier piece slot

kek

[hollow escarp]

I recrafted it on boots

had it on legs since season 1

[subtle tundra]

yea, not crafting it again

not worth

[split grail]

What soulbind for NF with 4pc?

[hollow escarp]

Dreamweaver in raid

#assassination-faq message

[split grail]

ty

[warm drift]

Whats the range of field of blossom?

10y?