assassination

[timid cloud]

[alpine radish]

But but but we have funnel dmg

[gusty mirage]

Bro all they needed to do, and hear me out here, is make maim, mangle give garrote an extra CP

[alpine radish]

That every class seems to be doing better than sin atm haha

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

And it’d be so much nicer

[timid cloud]

Hear me out…give Sin the Sub treatment with builder…

Make it not dogshit

[alpine radish]

Just annoys me that we are a pandemic class and shit like rupture does 0 dmg

Guess you could say the same for aff lock

[timid cloud]

Affi is just better in set amounts of targets that are spread out.

[alpine radish]

Oh yeah pantheon its a joke

But thats only because of satchel burst windows

[zinc frost]

Give us a CD that amplifies our bleeds on all targets like 2pc that isn’t on shiv

[subtle tundra]

GARRET 1 GARRET 2 GARRET 3 GARRET 4

[bleak sky]

join key
disaster
4 apes playing the game
quit

[vestal wren]

i think the majority does not know that meme

[subtle tundra]

😔

[zinc frost]

How do I get this famous? Asking for a friend

[oak sky]

did they say that to you lol

do people know who ur

[bleak sky]

ye

[oak sky]

like nobody knows me bro

only people that frequent this channel and OT know who i am

[bleak sky]

they don't know I'm a multiclass multispec multirole freak

[oak sky]

multirole a waste of time fr

you heard me

i said it

[bleak sky]

[oak sky]

multirole but doesnt play ranged

[bleak sky]

ranged are not people

(shadowpriest is retired)

[zinc frost]

The only people who matter

[oak sky]

yet they have more fun than tanks

[oak sky]

in terms of networking no but in terms of what really matters yes

[bleak sky]

gargleon, first of his name

[timid cloud]

I always hit everyone up. I’m a nobody….

[pseudo hamlet]

Did our "rotation" in M+ changed or something? When I was facing >=4 opponents I was always going with -> 4x Garrote -> (FoK if NPCs aren't poisoned) -> CT(4-5CP) -> FoK + Rupture(4-5CP) spam + refresh CT (+ Envenom on the priority target/when everything else has bleeds)

[limber lion]

That's fine but you should shiv earlier

[pseudo hamlet]

Oh that's right, forgot about it

[subtle tundra]

getting shiv out is a massive portion of our dps

[pseudo hamlet]

Yeah I am using it mostly on CD in M+, forgot about it in the post above

Was just wondering, because my DPS went from top to the bottom compared to the situation from 9.1... guess it's just gear case(0 tier pieces and 0 daggers)

[glass tulip]

any weakaura wizards? 👀

pretty simple thing but I think im stupid

[subtle tundra]

well, 0 piece certaintly doesnt help

but

assa in mythic plus is awful right now numbers wise

[zinc frost]

Yeah 4pc still at the bottom unfortunately

[subtle tundra]

and you probably compare yourself to people who have 4pc

and their classes do significantly more dmg

wish i could tell you how to play to do better

but if i could, i wouldnt be in sub prison

(also, if you mean sylvanas daggers, those arent a big deal for assa)

[pseudo hamlet]

I was comparing myself to the warriors and people with at least 2PC, didn't expect the difference to be so huge tbh

[subtle tundra]

basically almost all classes have a spec that do high overall dps

maybe tyra will be ok to play since assa has more ST than sub

but then, you cant funnel as assa

[stiff plank]

has anyone of you venth-assa-rogues been experimenting with obedience+dusk-lego? for me it always feels so weird for holding vendetta for flag. espec. with bloodlust-pull and/or pi on me. should i just use vendetta on cd and only line it up with flag when i have to delay my vendetta for some seconds?

[zinc frost]

Last week affixes were decent as assa if you ran with another soothe

[oak sky]

nah you want to always sync it the flag haste juices your bleeds extra hard in vendetta so lining them up is extremely good

[subtle tundra]

Haven't had the time to try all covenants yet since I've been pushing on sub

[oak sky]

seems most likely to be same as last patch venth or necro

im just doing weeklies for now tho im not pushing yet and i dont know if i even want to

[subtle tundra]

IDK I don't like venth

[stiff plank]

@oak skyi have to add, that i dont have the 4piece yet. still the same answer? i sometimes have vendetta 30 sec before my next flag ready. this feels really arkward. also my logs are not very good, so im trying to find out, how to improve. havent found out yet what im missing.

[oak sky]

uh

without 4p dusk is definitely not recommended

should be going dashing if you can

[stiff plank]

ahh ok, ill try that then. thank you! yes i have dashing and doomblade from last patch

[oak sky]

but once you get 4p the stuff i said will apply 🙂

[versed cobalt]

@oak sky do you have a guide for snapshotting? I’d the theory that you just refresh garrote and rupture towards the end of flag and vendetta?

[oak sky]

cevs stuff in the pins lays out most of it

but also the other thing is that yes, you want to refresh garrote and rupture towards the end, ideally the last 2 globals of vendetta

[versed cobalt]

Gotcha

Also in his pin

Is that CT?

Crimson tempest

I thought that was mainly an AOE talent

What happened to poison bomb gang

[oak sky]

yeah the gain on ct is pretty much related to the the fact that when you get haste from flag the haste snapshots for all the bleeds, garrote, rupture, and ct going into the vendetta exsanguinate effect

tl;dr dot good

thats not definite information btw just how I interpreted what he was saying

[versed cobalt]

So then also refresh CT during vendetta window?

[oak sky]

so like if he says something different trust him over me

[versed cobalt]

To juice another bleed

[hollow escarp]

no, you refresh it to keep the dot uptime

Halondrus with the venthyr build

I only had 91% uptime on CT though

[indigo mulch]

Do we re-apply CT during shiv window?

[oak sky]

yes

[hollow escarp]

envenom is just a filler

to keep snd up

[indigo mulch]

[hollow escarp]

I still don't know if I like this build

[oak sky]

oh yeah i shouldve been clear about that, for the new build you pretty much just do cev's opener, then play as normal

the garrote and rupture at the end of vendetta is a 4p thing regardless of covenant

[versed cobalt]

Ugh I just wanna spam juicy envenoms

It’s 300 DPS w perfect play you say?

[hollow escarp]

yeah

but so is night fae 😄

[limber lion]

Not really a thing for assassination with the current tier set

[versed cobalt]

I know 😦

[limber lion]

Also I never understood the want to spam big envenoms

when Envenom is the most underwhelming ability in the world

a MASSIVE ENVENOM crit is like 30k

very poggers

[versed cobalt]

It’s nice for when I wanna smoke a J and play rogue lol

Bleeds up? Check?

2 button rotation lol

[zinc frost]

Let sub deal with the big crits

[limber lion]

Yeh our class ain't really about big chunky abilities

it's all about the poisons and the bleeds

[oak sky]

honestly i don't care too much about what button I'm pressing i just generally want to play a maintainence class and be a nice lil bleedy rogue boy

[hollow escarp]

[versed cobalt]

Bro I’ll tell you what

This class

Is also bleeding my damn bank account dry

[hollow escarp]

I want to play a spec where I don't have to covenant swap every boss

[versed cobalt]

Snip snap snip snap snip snap

Do you know what kind of effect crafting legendaries like this has on a man

[zinc frost]

Ain’t that the truth, give us covenant swap in the form of talents and I’d be happy

[hollow escarp]

Ion did say people will swap covenants around every boss

[zinc frost]

The fine print being “if you have a warlock”

[oak sky]

so make it change in a tome 4Head

or put the covenant guys inside the raid

[hollow escarp]

I'm surprised they didn't use the azerite essences system for soulbinds

so we can change them anywhere

those were inside one of our items though, so maybe some spaghetti code

[oak sky]

again

they could just have the covenant guys follow us around

in the raid

[hollow escarp]

a toy

[oak sky]

as part of the strike force or whatever

or a toy

or a soulbind thingy near every boss

[limber lion]

EDIT: After running the numbers multiple times and having played both covenants on multiple boss encounters, I think that with Venthyr being so far ahead of Necrolord in single target/small cleave (1.5k in ST), Venthyr will be the go-to spec for most bosses. Unfortunately Deathspike does not bring enough damage or value on most fights due to the short range of the effect and the lack of any single target throughput. I would recommend Necrolord on Vigilant Guardian, Pantheon, Lords of Dread and (maybe) Rygelon, but Venthyr everywhere else.

[hollow escarp]

venthyr anduin

[limber lion]

It all of course depends on the strat that your team uses and whatnot. I would personally run Venthyr on Anduin because I never go down, but if you do then Necrolord might be the better play.

[zinc frost]

What are your thoughts on the maybe Rygelon? I feel like the resets are pretty good for marileth but maybe not anymore

[limber lion]

That's why I specified that Necrolord might be good on Rygelon

It's still a really add-wave heavy fight, which favors the Necrolord quite a bit

I would probably play Necrolord, especially if you're playing Necrolord on Anduin/Lords already, might as well

[zinc frost]

I couldn’t say goodbye to SBS on those adds to juicy

[hollow dirge]

You can almost do full rotation on spikes there

[limber lion]

You always have to keep in mind that not every encounter has the "best, optimal choice" even if you sim it. They might work in a vacuum, but does not mean that you can get the same effect that the sim does with either covenant

We saw some people playing Necrolord on every single boss in SoD, even though it was the "worse choice" most things considered

And that's completely fine

As long as you don't play Necrolord on Skolex, Halondrus and Dausegne, then you'll be fine

:')

[hollow dirge]

If you’re fast enough. I did my bonespike on mouseover and 2-3/4 of rotation come from spike combos

[zinc frost]

I wish deathspike wasn’t awful on ST

[oak sky]

idk i wouldn't like one covenant being bis for aoe and st thats boring

[hollow dirge]

But I only got my 4 set from lfr halondrus yesterday, even though I started 2 weeks in a row on 3 set 😂

[hollow dirge]

Agreed

[subtle tundra]

the quasars have very big hitboxes so deathspike can hit 2 even if they are 10-15 yards apart, which is neat

or i think its bcs of the hitboxes

[bleak sky]

Smart targeting implemented just for ryg

[hollow dirge]

Yeah, start by using spike on boss and unstable matter, and then all double spikes on quasars are guaranteed 5 points

[subtle tundra]

yea 🤤

[hollow escarp]

make sure the matter doesn't die too fast

[subtle tundra]

100% kebin uptime gang

[winter gale]

Necro assa soulbind for aoe fights in Sepulcher is Bonesmith?

[zinc frost]

Either bonesmith or marileth if you can get resets and decent Kevin uptime (guardian and rygelon etc)

[violet hemlock]

if marileth dont forget to recast shield for mastery

[viscid spear]

You couldn't live with your failures, where did that bring you?
Back to me.

[spice spire]

Nop

[sonic briar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[viscid spear]

[rotund oak]

I like cringefae more than venthyr dunno why

[soft shale]

well assa is the only spec that could kinda benefir from sniping sepsis a bit

but still onslaught is not a huge increase

[brazen inlet]

does MFD randomly leave anyone else’s bars ? fixed it with a macro ofc but it confused the shit out of me, and this wasn’t PvPing or anything

[pure moth]

If i logout while not being talented in mfd, it will disappear on my bars. So i have to keep putting it back on my bars

[echo geyser]

Mouseover macro is da wae

[ebon notch]

If you play outlaw then you can also have an MFD+dispatch macro

But this is the wrong channel for that shh

[echo geyser]

ill pretend i didnt hear that

[ebon notch]

You a real one

[dusk beacon]

Hey guys! Got a question.
Do i use Shaded Sharpening Stone or the oil combined with phantom fire?

[soft shale]

mfd kidney and mfd envenom gamers

usually stones are better now but you can sim it

[dusk beacon]

Stones and agility pots, right?

[soft shale]

yes

[dusk beacon]

tyvm

[vestal zodiac]

Do we have any API string to add to our simc for the change in pins? Quick sim is showing CT not being used pre vendetta with MFD, so I'm like 🤔

[hollow river]

the rotation adjustments aren't updated in raidbots yet afaik

you just gotta follow the pins atm

[vestal zodiac]

And then the alternative question would be due to all this haste stacking tech does pi become very good for us all of a sudden?

[balmy condor]

Not good enough to take it

Considering warlock is almost twice the value of us

[vestal zodiac]

Their 3 times the value on the spreadsheet I see

4x even

[balmy condor]

Oh they updated numbers

Yeah

It’s not even close

[vestal zodiac]

Oh for sure

[gusty mirage]

It is if you close one eye and have pink eye in the other one and squint really hard

[real solar]

@gusty mirage hi

[gusty mirage]

[austere cave]

is it me or sin necro rogue feels actually pretty good in keys with double leggo and 2 tier set

?

[balmy condor]

That’s cause necro aoe good

[austere cave]

yeah i was looking at my recount and bone spike its actually doing really good dmg

[balmy condor]

At your recount?

In 2022?

[austere cave]

gaming too hard

[thorny rose]

I use recount

[brave gazelle]

Details>

[balmy condor]

Anyone not using details these days is like a crazy wrath boomer

[thorny rose]

Is it actually better with data etc or is it an aesthetic thing. I’m noob

[balmy condor]

It’s more accurate

[thorny rose]

gotcha. Recount in the bin then. Thank u

[balmy condor]

Np

It works the same way

[split maple]

As a wrath boomer I resent this remark sir (I still use details)

[balmy condor]

So nothing like crazy to learn

[thorny rose]

I will ask my wrath retirement home buddies to help me figure it out

[balmy condor]

[brave gazelle]

It gives more data too, recount is like the "lite" version of details
I think they where made by the same people at one point
You can make details look like recount though if you prefer how one looks

[balmy condor]

If it makes you feel any better, I got the opposite problem, the wowhead writers all made fun of me for being 22

:/

[thorny rose]

haha I am actually not much older myself

[solar stump]

Can you pin this btw? just as an extension of the first bit

[thorny rose]

but u should be proud u are as smart as them at so young

[limber lion]

It's already in the pin

[solar stump]

ah i see i was looking for separate post my b

need new eyes

[distant flint]

does anyone know which Enhancements I should focus on Assassin for DG
?

i focus Crit+Mastery

any help

[limber lion]

Item level

:)

[distant flint]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4CSKnjVcZKsnCyWBSQNUDm

[hollow river]

should sim dungeon slice for dungeon gearing

[distant flint]

dungeon slice(beta)?

[pure moth]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

That’s such a weird way to spell night fae

[limber lion]

Oh how the tables have turned

[balmy condor]

Venth feels terrible in raid man

[storm belfry]

so funny how i level up nf then turns out venth is still goat

[limber lion]

I just despise Field of Blossoms after trying out Night Fae

[subtle tundra]

HOW SO BROTHERMAN

[limber lion]

You get like 20% value from it on Jailer

If it worked like Rune of Power, it would be perfect

[unborn needle]

So is Unity on Wrist and Duskwalkers on ring still the play?

[limber lion]

Sure

[balmy condor]

Cause you gotta muuve all the damn time

[subtle tundra]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

[balmy condor]

And with the snapshot tech it’s basically 30 seconds of face melting uptime every minute

Kinda

Really cringe

[subtle tundra]

oh yea, that i agree with

[balmy condor]

I hated venth during boss testing on sub as well

[subtle tundra]

suck to need so much time to do your burst

[balmy condor]

But this tech just makes it 10x worse lmao

[lone junco]

Retirement community represent.

[limber lion]

Can you call it burst if it happens every minute?

[kindred heron]

just need someone to discover new NF tech that puts it ahead of venth

[balmy condor]

The sync logic was the nf tech

[subtle tundra]

can i call it a burst if it doesnt make me rise on the meters?

[limber lion]

NF already got a bunch of improvements

[lone junco]

I really like sepsis. The shadow blades and AR seems nice. it’s not just stats.

[limber lion]

I have to agree that playstyle wise Night Fae feels the best on most fights imo

[lone junco]

Maybe it scales poorly with sin cp builder being low value.

A fat Pistol shot is nice tho.

[limber lion]

But Venthyr is just a bunch better and Necro is better on fights where Venthyr falls off

Night Fae is the awkward middle sibling

[lone junco]

What’s the movement need for vents?

I don’t have tier yet.

[limber lion]

huh?

[lone junco]

Idk. Why “venth feels terrible in raid”

Flag is fine.

you get haste and verse right. Not sure how that can be awkward.

[limber lion]

gotta glue yourself to boss'

[balmy condor]

Oh no

He doesn’t know

[strange python]

Bruh

[lone junco]

That’s been sin historically tho.

[balmy condor]

It’s just haste

That’s not bad

[lone junco]

I don’t know.

[balmy condor]

With venth you have to snapshot haste now

[lone junco]

I’m about 3 weeks into rogue

[balmy condor]

With the 4 piece

[lone junco]

Iqd snapshot type shit.

[strange python]

Press flag into a boss that’s about to move

That is what feels bad

[balmy condor]

You hold vend a couple seconds into flag

[limber lion]

The worst part is that the bleed does not update immediately with haste, it updates the next tick

[balmy condor]

So you can assure that you get the full haste benefit

Through your vendetta

[lone junco]

Movement like phasing or is there a puddle or some shit.

Arms spear is super shit for movement. I cry when I’m like 3 ft away from range.

[balmy condor]

So not only do you have to sit on the boss for the first 12 seconds of flag, you also have to sit on the boss the second 12 seconds of flag, and then snapshot the bleeds at the end of the vendetta

Then you can like

Kinda move

But you’re gonna overcap a ton of energy

And then you refresh you bleeds once

[lone junco]

Ok. So artificer rings fuck you hard.

[balmy condor]

And by the time those run out

You’re back into flag

Doing the same shit again

[lone junco]

Too much haste, so you either run ds or vigor high crit. But if you fuck the flag, you’ll be dry and cry.

Got it.

[limber lion]

And the problem is that you want to send stuff out as much as possible

So you don't want to hold Vend/Flag for like 20 seconds just because you know a mechanic is about to happen

You kinda have to send everything as much as possible to get the most value out of Duskwalkers

[lone junco]

Does rogue get the crit crystal trinket ? Or is that str only

[strange python]

I’m going to fuck up my flags so hard on xymox mythic I can feel it

[limber lion]

Don't know what that is

[strange python]

Str

Only

Power crystal

[lone junco]

Rip. It is so much crit.

[limber lion]

Oh

Overwhelming Power Crystal

right

[lone junco]

I loved playing 50%+ crit back in the day. ESP if you have full send windows. 4cp over and over and over and over.

But would need lust to line up with flag to not dry out.

[limber lion]

back in the day?

we had that last patch

[lone junco]

Late legion.

[limber lion]

[lone junco]

I was in the 80-100% crit range with tisumi.

It wasn’t popular but I loved it.

[kindred heron]

How have yall been dealing with multi-target bleed uptime during vendetta windows

[lone junco]

Was before haste scaled energy return.

[kindred heron]

I feel like with 4 set, when I vendetta all my globals go into maintaining bleeds on main target, dont have time for secondary targets

[limber lion]

rupture secondary targets, only gar vend target

With ct you kinda can't yueh

[lone junco]

I would always low cp rupture off targets (whatever I have at the time) just to keep the ticks rolling.

Does vendetta still give a burst of energy or was that azerite

[quasi ledge]

It was on the Artifact in Legion, then baseline after

[lone junco]

Yeah, I love sin drill boss dmg, but it is super cringe for hot swaps, like caster adds on xymox and rough for run out bomb mechanics.

I loved 26apm

And top boss dmg

[limber lion]

I want the Legion TW to come out already so I can grind out the ring

I'm still using the 246 ring which is cringe

[vestal wren]

you can if you want even farm 3 items from tw

[strange python]

3 ?

Trinket ring and?

[jade minnow]

Other trinket

Shadow dmg one

[sonic schooner]

I cant farm more dos, fk iqd fk venthyr i wanna be a fae guys now

😔

[slow marsh]

1.10 CDs with a 1.15 trinket might be deec

[thin latch]

hey, need some help here

cant decide wich leggo to use on lord of dread

[slow marsh]

The one that does more damage

[fast nacelle]

[jovial spear]

Safe to go Crit/haste on leggo?

Also, how much better is Venthyr than NF? NF seems more chill

[frigid kestrel]

About 300 dps

[jovial spear]

kk

[winter vapor]

Crit/Mastery its a possible for Zoldyk craft ye?

[limber lion]

yes

[winter vapor]

ta

[tender garden]

how is sepsis for pve content

[oak sky]

Nf is ok

A few hundred dps off venth in st

Good burst

Pretty meh in m+ but not so bad its unplayable

[fleet whale]

it's also easier to play

[strange python]

How hard do you have to fuck up on venthyr to make Nf better xd

[sonic schooner]

Delete snapshotting from the game and all classes

[fleet whale]

it's funny because snapshotting was removed from most things in wow back in WoD

only a few things snapshot these days

[strange python]

Is sin top in raid ?

[bleak sky]

No

[strange python]

so i can get rid of this awful spec that is sub

ok, not playing rog then

[bleak sky]

It's equal to sub

[strange python]

like 15k overall on each boss ?

[obtuse robin]

they r both 17kish wit bis profile

[strange python]

which cov N?

[obtuse robin]

venth

check pins

[strange python]

sub is axful and horrible tyo play

an absolute disaster on long fights

afking between dances

[obtuse robin]

i didnt touch sub for a long time but bit the bullet for m+

[strange python]

yes it does

[obtuse robin]

much esier

[strange python]

does sin bit it in m+ ?

[obtuse robin]

its fine

just harder to play

[strange python]

i find sin way way way way way way easier on rotation and cd management bny far beyond

[obtuse robin]

in st sure

[bleak sky]

?

You're perma dancing

[strange python]

no

you havent play rogue in raid to say that

sub*

[limber lion]

[strange python]

in mid fight you are out of dance spamming backstab

[bleak sky]

Damn you're right

[obtuse robin]

almost like thats how fillers work

idk tho

i a sin main

[oak sky]

Lol sub has so much dance uptime rn they have to backstab in dance for pv

The miserable state of sub rogue

[strange python]

no dance uptime on a st fight

and if you dont sod + dance ytou dont know how to play sub

sin always have been far superior to sub on gameplay side

better overall damage, better cd management, way better totation, more dynamic gameplay, more versatile

the only and the only exception to me is in world pvp

[bleak sky]

Sheesh you don't know how to play sub either huh brother

[obtuse robin]

so sin is better then sub in aoe?

[strange python]

in this proper moment unfortunately no

[obtuse robin]

ok so more then 1

[strange python]

yeah ok

2

you take DH

good on everything

[obtuse robin]

sin beter then sub in funnel?

[strange python]

hunter : same

yes

[obtuse robin]

ok so more then 2

[strange python]

no

sin > sub in funnel

[obtuse robin]

hmm

sin better then sub on prio dmg?

[bleak sky]

But ye no more feeding the troll

[obtuse robin]

u right

[strange python]

yes

[obtuse robin]

damn jpc fucking up then playing sub on jailer

sheeesh

[wide ridge]

theotar with LP+Lashing+ WPS or poisoned katar?

[jovial spear]

Hey, what kinda soulbinds + conduits would you recommend for going NF in keys? Group needs a NF 🙂

[wide ridge]

is poisoned katar good anyhow

[jovial spear]

not pushing high, just 15s

[hollow river]

Prolly korayn

[oak sky]

Yes, I am indeed a one trick

[hollow river]

You’d prolly want LP, PK/Sepsis conduit

[bleak sky]

Ehhhh not really

[hollow river]

And First Strike from her soul bind

[obtuse robin]

oh i just reread cevs pin

nerco stonks tanking

[hollow river]

As expected

😤

[oak sky]

Are you a sin otp again

[bleak sky]

Nah, not even for top anymore

but I know pk still kinda garbo

[winter vapor]

sad days >:

[lapis spindle]

Bring back BFA sin, how hard for Blizz is it to understand ?

[oak sky]

I meant for raid bud

[shy dust]

What was even different

About bfa sin

[bleak sky]

Haven't touched sin in raid yet

[oak sky]

[bleak sky]

I want to though

but idk

don't really want to deal with 2x speed bleeds

[subtle tundra]

i was ct spamming and not ashamed of it

[balmy condor]

It had 40% more crit and echoing blades

[shy dust]

You weren’t even spamming CT what

[subtle tundra]

ok?

[shy dust]

You spammed FOK

[subtle tundra]

for optimal play, no

for me?

yes

i was spamming

mad?

[shy dust]

Clearly

[shy dust]

8.3 sin was bfa sin

Bring back 59 apm

[bleak sky]

oh no varas

you're in sub prison???

[lapis spindle]

Insane damage, insane rotation, insane traits (yeah azerite, IKr)

[oak sky]

Sin damage is too low i think minalba

[lapis spindle]

And it as good in every activity

was*

[oak sky]

Wasnt bfa rotation the same as now tho

[shy dust]

What insane rotation

[lapis spindle]

Idk sir

[bleak sky]

he was sin chat's last hope though

[shy dust]

You’re the one saying it’s different

I’ve played both

[lapis spindle]

I am among the normeis that swapped fromsin to sub

[shy dust]

And outside of the atrocity of 8.3

The specs are very similar

Just different borrowed power

[lapis spindle]

I think it's pretty much this

Sin lacks of damage

It's a shame considering how good this spec is, I think it's better than outlax and sub together

[shy dust]

Lack of damage maybe in aoe

But it’s cleave is still a strength

And it’s st is fine

Specs just always aren’t the absolute best it happens

Sub was left in the gutter for practically of bfa

Assa was in the gutter to start SL

And got consistent buffs till it was very strong in 9.0.5

[oak sky]

And outlaw just got its first balance change of the expansion

Lol

[lapis spindle]

besides that i'm tilted with rogues in this expac

Random unstealth for no fcking reasons

Sometimes I feel like damages are randomly low

[kindred dune]

what would you guys play with 4pc in m+? still venth+dusk?

[hollow river]

necro dusk

[kindred dune]

ok so playstyle is basically the same, just swap dusk for zoldyck

[uneven summit]

IQD worth it atm?

[pseudo hamlet]

Still one of the best trinkets I guess, maybe not BIS but good.

[uneven summit]

Logs is showing alot of phials, but the sims are saying something else for me at least, anyone else experiencing this :P?

[obtuse robin]

some of it depends on what other trinket u have

[oak sky]

Can't go wrong with your sim

[obtuse robin]

like phial is bis with sigil

[uneven summit]

So Phial/Sigil is the ideal setup atm

[obtuse robin]

at max ilvl prolly

[oak sky]

Sure, but if you have some trinkets at higher ilvl or get them sooner they might be better for you atm

[obtuse robin]

for st

[uneven summit]

playing cache/elegy 265 atm so not really huge

[obtuse robin]

yea like i have 272 phial but a 278 decanter is beter for me atm

for example

[strange silo]

Its better to wait with valor upgrades till 4 set or is that just a weird thought in my mind? or just go for the obvious upgrades like phial and maybe weapon?

[hollow river]

yeah early on just go with the bigger value upgrades

i wouldn't upgrade anything on tier set item slots

[strange silo]

yea thats obvious 😄 still no 4p so yea
biggest value is always wep then bis trinkets right?

[hollow river]

typically yeah but you can sim it

depends on what weapon/trinkets you have rn etc

[celest marlin]

So many play Crimson now regardles of the boss ST or AOE, is that the best?

[hollow river]

with venthyr and 4P yes

[strange silo]

the best way to do that would be droptimizer 272ilvl right?

[hollow river]

check the pins @celest marlin

[hollow river]

yes

[strange silo]

alright ty!

[viscid spear]

Am I seeing IQD having high value for Ven Sin? Or am I crazier than normal

[limber lion]

IQD is the best trinket for the Venthyr profile

[viscid spear]

Aw man, I have Totem and Gland

[oak sky]

big haste stat stick

[zinc frost]

Out of PF prison just to get thrown into DoS prison

[hidden bloom]

is it worth using the legendary dusk without 4 parts of the set?

[subtle tundra]

no

[hidden bloom]

ok, ty

[strange silo]

wait first sigil isnt the best on use with venthyr 4p?

[subtle tundra]

iqd sims the best afaik, but in reality first sigil is better since it cant misuse

also, depends on kill timer

a 4 min kill timer -> iqd
6 min -> sigil

[kindred dune]

I have the cache of acquired treasures trinket and I always wonder if I should take haste or bleed effect in ST? anybody knows?

dont know how to sim this

[obtuse robin]

axe

[timid cloud]

Axe, but it's kinda so-so in ST, more of an AOE trinket.

[woven ruin]

With no tier, are we still dashing as 2nd leggo?

[timid cloud]

It's usually either Dashing or Doomblade though.

[ebon notch]

when doing droptimizer for pvp weapons

its telling me to take the crit/vers one

im already at 40% crit id have thought haste would start to gain value

[celest marlin]

assasination-faq is not updated, mind deleting confusing shit?

[bleak sky]

I'm sure someone will update the FAQ soon, fellas might be busy

[strange python]

why would we build unity on wrist again

[soft shale]

only if you dont want to have gear problems with sub

[strange python]

so if im not playing sub

where can i put it : O

can i recraft on belt

[soft shale]

helmet has a lot of stats but belt is also fine

[strange python]

right, i need head tier so probably belt

[soft shale]

although i guess you can see the sets and choose

[strange python]

alright ty

[kindred dune]

it sims better than my iqd, maybe because ilvl 265 vs 249, need to do gear compare

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

[red plaza]

There is no other dagger other than the crit vers one

[ebon notch]

no haste vers?

shiet

[red plaza]

Yeah haste vers is the sword…..I found out the hard way and blizzard wouldn’t refund me 😂

[hollow escarp]

mp assa the play on zovaal

[spice spire]

Wtf did I just read

[indigo mulch]

[limber lion]

Just reapply wound before the shield

[spice spire]

“Swap poisons at 11.2% to wound to apply swap back once he healed “

[limber lion]

Then reapply dp

Damn right

[spice spire]

AMEN

[kindred dune]

same ilvl, still cache sims better it seems

cev you said you sim for 17k? I only sim for 13.5k with 4pc, how is there a 3.5k difference?

[bleak sky]

cev doesn't sim for 17k, bis profile sims around 17k

[kindred dune]

ohhh ok my bad

thanks for clarification

[hollow escarp]

he is the bis profile though

[bleak sky]

honestly true

[spice spire]

Man has a 246 ring tho

[bleak sky]

don't ring shame him

[spice spire]

Buddy he can everything shame me

[hollow escarp]

246 gang

[kindred dune]

when is legion timewalking coming out so we can farm that ring? 😄

[bleak sky]

in a couple of weeks

[hollow escarp]

2 weeks

[kindred dune]

and what ilvl will it be then?

[hollow escarp]

272

upgraded to max

[bleak sky]

same as current dungeons drop

[kindred dune]

ah awesome, so we need to get that 😄 damn

the grind is real

[oak sky]

i hate that I need to farm that thing

[spice spire]

Faulty still simming best for me too

[oak sky]

yikes

[spice spire]

Hopefully that’ll change

[oak sky]

quakes first pin

[spice spire]

AMEN BROTHER

Nah I’ll leave the pins to the big boys

I’m just the basement dwelling log watcher

And life coach

[oak sky]

will you coach my life

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/907157036037455944.webp?size=44&quality=lossless

[granite widget]

would you recommend zoldyck or duskwalker for lords? see its 40/60 on top logs roughly

i have neither and only want to craft 1

[zinc frost]

Dusk is better for lords with 4pc

[granite widget]

what about in TOP

[spice spire]

I’m just the positivity thing.
Do what makes you happy, some days will be worse than others etc.

[spice spire]

Dusk

This is assuming 4p mind you

If you don’t have 4p, Zoldyck’s on both

[oak sky]

hedonism GIGACHAD

[bleak sky]

keep it 55th
never commit sewer side

[oak sky]

never kermit sewer slide

[limber lion]

Yeh I only sim around 15.1k currently

[granite widget]

its subjective but would you say sin is still a better prog spec than sub?

like in terms of making it easier to do mechanics/get off the boss

[spice spire]

Whatever you’re more comfortable playing is the better prog spec

[granite widget]

for a casual mythic guild

[spice spire]

Unless it’s omega badly tuned

[slow marsh]

So can I do you if you make me happy

[spice spire]

This tier, my answer applies between sin/sub

[spice spire]

Nah you’re married and I’m engaged

Not poly. Sorry king

[slow marsh]

Perfect

That was a test ofc. Don't worry you passed

[bleak sky]

homie don't count

[granite widget]

291 ring is 100k but 262 ring is 145k

[brave gazelle]

That's rough it's 62k on my server

[brave gazelle]

Can someone explain to Me how this "snapshot" thing works?

[balmy condor]

When you press vendetta with the 4piece it compresses your dots on the next tick

That compression is based on your haste

50% haste, 50% faster ticks

So with venthyr since flag gives haste

You would want to hold your vendetta slightly until after you finish again in the flag

That way you can snapshot a higher haste level when you compress everything

[brave gazelle]

I see thank you!

[umbral rapids]

it's probably dumb but i'm clueless

what's the reasoning behind not using vendetta even later then?

why 2 finishers

[balmy condor]

Because flag only lasts 24 seconds

[umbral rapids]

oh and you and as much of it in vendetta

[balmy condor]

If you delay any longer you miss the haste on the recast at the end of vendetta

[umbral rapids]

ah i see

thanks whispyr ur cute

[balmy condor]

I know

My hair looks like cotton candy

[brave gazelle]

The only cc raid rouges use is whispyrs cotten candy

[umbral rapids]

i knoooooow

[balmy condor]

It’s what I throw to distract mobs in m+

Just throw it on the floor

And the mobs go “ooh look piece of candy!”

But like bruh

It’s bad lmao

It’s already fading out

It was purple 2 days ago

And now it’s like

BRIGHT

[umbral rapids]

looks great man

[balmy condor]

YEAH UNTIL NEXT WEEK

[umbral rapids]

10/10 would smash

[balmy condor]

AND THEN ITS SEAFOAM GREEN

AND YUCKY

I’m never taking a shower again

Full neck beard time to preserve the hair

[jaunty steeple]

put a plastic bag on your head to conserve it in the shower

(for legal reasons, this is a joke)

[balmy condor]

I mean I actually use a shower cap though to preserve the colors

You’re not wrong

[jaunty steeple]

[sonic schooner]

Candy hair Whisp Ayaya

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor did an update go through on the APL?

[balmy condor]

Not recently I think let me check

[proper tapir]

For NF and Necro, after 4p would CT be better than PB in single target? Or is it all flag haste that's making CT the play?

[balmy condor]

Yeah nothin in the last 9 days @ebon notch

[balmy condor]

Only on venth

[ebon notch]

i just gained like

400 dps in sims

i assumed there was a change somewhere

[balmy condor]

Sounds like venth changes from 2 weeks ago

[ebon notch]

no lmao i simmed since then

[balmy condor]

Wtf am I looking at

[ebon notch]

nvm i trolled

had some custom apl shit in it

didnt realise

[balmy condor]

You also had deeper daggers in your conduits

[ebon notch]

sussy

[zinc frost]

Whoa who tf is this STUD, is that the famous trackmania legend??

[echo mantle]

Wait. Does the 2p % increase deal on ST? Like the shiv target also gets the increase? Im so confused with the wording

[balmy condor]

Yeah the ultimate no-author medal track 24 himself

[balmy condor]

All targets in 15 yards

Including the one your hitting

[echo mantle]

Okay. Awesome. Thats nuts. I thought it was only soso. Alrighty. Damn wording.

[balmy condor]

It’s a debuff

Think about it like ct

Same sorta range

[echo mantle]

Ahh. Alrighty. Thats really cool. Sweet. Thanks for the info! 😄

[ebon notch]

is this you?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[ebon notch]

you look diff on stream

[balmy condor]

Me and my girl

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s cause I’m not happy on stream

[zinc frost]

Yeah smiling, your in sunlight. It’s a weird look

[balmy condor]

Also don’t wear glasses

[ebon notch]

gotta keep up that cool guy persona

[balmy condor]

Nearsighted gang

[ebon notch]

same

my night vision is getting worse

kinda cringe

[oak sky]

You always look somewhere between angry sad and snarky lmao

[clever kindle]

astigmatism gang

my eye doctor said my eyes are shaped like footballs

[oak sky]

Astigmatism and nearsighted gang

[clever kindle]

got glasses at 29

headaches went away

[balmy condor]

That feeling you get when your glasses are like 4 years old and you realize you need a stronger prescription but then you do the math and realize you’ll be blind in like 40 years

[ebon notch]

or 20

[clever kindle]

[ebon notch]

💀

[oak sky]

Cataract surgery in your future

My eyes stopped getting worse though

[balmy condor]

yes doctor I would like laser eyeball gun thank you

[oak sky]

I got glasses when i was like 7 and they slowly got worse until like 2 years ago

[clever kindle]

I can still see without my glasses its just like fine black text thats the worst

but everything has like, an aura too it

like a bloom filter

[oak sky]

I can see like differences in color

[balmy condor]

I realized it when I couldn’t read the white board from the back of the room

[clever kindle]

rogues are blind

[balmy condor]

And then I walked home and all the leaves in the trees were fuzzy

And I’m like

Huh

[ebon notch]

are you saying im not colourblind

[balmy condor]

That’s not normal

[oak sky]

Yeah apparently my first grade teacher noticed me squinting

[clever kindle]

heavy astigmatism probably explains why i like festival lights so much

lasers

[oak sky]

No i mean like with no glasses or contacts i can see like a green blob and a brown blob and figure out whats there

[oak sky]

I still remember seeing leaves in HD the first time i got glasses holy

[ebon notch]

nvm

[balmy condor]

Might go to the eye doctor at some point and upgrade back to HD leaves

[oak sky]

Fr

[clever kindle]

hd texture packs take more time to load

not worth

[oak sky]

I go every year cuz i need to get fresh contacts and stuff

[balmy condor]

Oh yeah I hate contacts

[oak sky]

And its definitely bad for your eyes to have a shit prescription

[clever kindle]

I should do contacts, or transition lenses at least, I think I look better with glasses though

[zinc frost]

So your current teacher?

[clever kindle]

[oak sky]

I did glasses until i was in high school

[oak sky]

I'm not even the youngest zoomer here

[cerulean nest]

2pc for TOP, should i do unity dashing? unity doomblade? unity zold?

[oak sky]

Imo just zold but it probably doesn't matter

[fleet whale]

I have 20/60ish eyesight, but I only wear my glasses if i'm driving at night

Can see everything else just fine, it just isn't very crisp at a certain distance

[storm onyx]

Depends on group too; of mobs die fast past 30%, you will benefit Zold less; so if you have 2 warriors in grp for example.

[spice spire]

So can the colorblind

Smush them together in a specific combo

And it stops working tho

[ebon notch]

No worky

[spice spire]

?

[ebon notch]

Colourblindness

[spice spire]

Yeah like uh.
Swirls on VG. Combo I legitimately can’t see unless I follow every white line going to them kinda deal

[ebon notch]

Ah that sucks

[spice spire]

Because the color difference is so slim it legitimately looks the same

[ebon notch]

For me the biggest problem is lost ark

The aoe indicators for bosses are all red

Unless the background makes a strong contrast I can't see shit

[spice spire]

Lost ark wasn’t too bad yeah so far everything has had the contrasting bg

But like red in a green pool is also no shot

[ebon notch]

I did a colourblind test with the boys on discord and they were shocked what I couldn't see

[spice spire]

Same, with everything

Explaining how colorblindness worked 500 times in hs was also a chore “hey quake, what color is this shirt?”

[ebon notch]

"dickhead colour"

Is how it is

[spice spire]

Should have used that one

A lot of times it was the females I went to school with though, and they were nice outside of that

[ebon notch]

Oof

[echo geyser]

did u guys try inky black potion

[ebon notch]

In wow I'm ok personally, although it can make some things too dark so it becomes harder overall

Like first boss spires

After first boss it's way better

[torn atlas]

I struggle with somethings, like traps on the red carpet in SD.

But I also use it as a reflex defence for my screw ups. So my key group think I'm taking the piss when I say I can't see something.

[echo geyser]

do u have projected textures enabled?

[torn atlas]

1st boss on gambit is a good example if my mates are calling it by colours. I usually need to verify what colour is which letter/marker symbol

[echo geyser]

ah right colorblindness topic still sorry

[torn atlas]

I'm not honestly sure. Been a while since I dug through them all

[onyx raptor]

good morning guys! anyone know how to get the info for an item to get it in the sim code to sim with it even if i don't have said item? wanna sim something with 4 set XD

[balmy condor]

You can grab it from the wowhead page

There’s a links button

With a simulationcraft import

[onyx raptor]

oh rly? was it that easy XD?

thanks a lot

sry for the dumbass question then XD

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s what I do every tier I make a big list of items to sim profiles with

Every item at max ilvl and all that

Takes like an hour to make

[onyx raptor]

i should do that too XD

[sour citrus]

Venthyr (ST):

Talents: 2332223
Opener (ST): Mutilate - Slice - Mutilate - Gar - Flag - Rupture - MFD - CT - Vend - Shiv - Vanish - Muti - Env - Muti ...
Soulbind: Theotar with haste tea (3 potencies) > Nadja with Dauntless Duelist (2 potencies)
Conduits: Lashing Scars > Lethal Poisons > Well-Placed Steel

Guys, with doing gar after the 2nd mut in the opening, I always do not have enough energy to do it, this is after switching to mfd from vigor. Anything I'm doing wrong? Or should be vigor instead of mfd?

[lean fossil]

you just wait, its fine

[gusty mirage]

if you're blood elf you can arcane torrent after the mutilate to help out with getting enough energy

[onyx raptor]

i really wonder if they're gonna remove the jailer CE when s4 hits, did they say anything bout that?

[balmy condor]

They haven’t

But it would be weird

“Before the next raid release” is the usual thing

So unless season 4 has an ilvl bump

Seems pretty unlikely

But who knows maybe they bump ilvls

And then probably invalidates i would think

[gusty mirage]

they didn't elaborate if they're just upping the ilvl for the older raid tiers or overall

it'll be interesting for sure

[sour citrus]

Ah, I get it now. Thank you.

[lean fossil]

it takes a quick sec to get used too but its fine

[onyx raptor]

pretty sure they're gonna make them same ilvl as sepulcher or something like that

[sour citrus]

I was worried that counting two Mississippi before i can do gar was bad

[onyx raptor]

and we're gonna have to farm the daggers all over again XD

[balmy condor]

Yeah if they just normalize ilvl and difficulties i doubt we’d see CE locked honestly

[onyx raptor]

everyone getting full 285 is also a way to nerf the current raid

[real bay]

most people with 285 will do worse dps than top guild players with 275

[onyx raptor]

true but they do nerf the raids every now and then

[subtle tundra]

bet there's gonna be some big nerfs

like lords is not doable if you dont have the classes that can abuse the dmg increase

[sonic spire]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[velvet bridge]

!cache

[vestal wren]

you basically always use axe

but letme add the command for sin/outlaw too (moment)

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[agile geode]

even in st?

[vestal wren]

yes

[neon cloak]

U dont apply rup on 2nd target before vend & shiv

?

[versed dagger]

Should i still craft Zoldyck for m+? Or run Duskwalker?

[cobalt hemlock]

with piece 4 i think its duskwalker but with 2 or none i dont know

[limber lion]

No, you apply it soon after asap

You don't want to hold Vend/Shiv just to get Rupture/CT running before using em

Gotta get as many uses of Shiv/Vend as possible

[green badge]

Hey guys quick question. The WoWhead guide for M+ BiS gear doesn't have Gambit or Street for any slot is that just correct or not updated?

[limber lion]

You shouldn't look at that

[bleak sky]

disregard bis lists

sim your gear

[limber lion]

Just sim yourself with Droptimizer

[stray python]

I haven't used Droptimizer yet. Whats the difference between it's and Top Gear that I use mainly. I'm still pretty new to raid bots

[glass tulip]

Droptimizer looks at all gear from dungeons, TW, raid.
Top gear uses what is in your bags

[hollow escarp]

it gives you an idea of what dungeons you should farm

or what bosses in raid you want gear from

[daring cave]

Hello everyone, coming back to the game and curious on how well Sin is doing

[vestal wren]

quite good

[gusty mirage]

Sin’s okay, a little behind sub but good

[daring cave]

Ive seen people running sub, but ive never been a huge fan

So for M+ if i stayed Sin i would still do ok?

[gusty mirage]

Depends on what key levels you’re trying to do. You could play sin for all 20s and be fine but sub will just be infinitely better

[daring cave]

Ok.

[stray python]

Thanks!

[timber gale]

hmmm made unity yesterday + duskwalkers and have only played it on one fight (rygelon) and felt bad bc. no one would kill quasars so all of my non-cd time was killing then

[hollow escarp]

should try necrolord on rygelon

with marileth you get nice kevin uptime

[timber gale]

for ppl who have played obi or both: is the goal that I want to be syncing them as often as possible or just that I’m full sending cds with reduced vend cd and flag cd

[weak plover]

Just bonespike some

[hollow escarp]

just by hitting quasars

[timber gale]

ya I do not have Necro leveled and maybe won’t for a hot minute

[hollow escarp]

if you have to hit quasars, it might suck on other covenants

I was assigned for first immunity and had to run out of melee while vendetta was still rolling

[timber gale]

I mean it was just one pug so I’m prob overreacting - I just wanted to make sure we actually killed the boss

bc no one was interested in doing it clearly

Just had me realize I’ve never used obedience/dusk so I don’t actually know if the goal is syncing them or just ‘get as many casts per fight’ and let that do the work

[hollow escarp]

we can actually sync them quite easily now

[timber gale]

i know perfect obedience gets you a 60s flag, and so I’m usually getting it in the 25-30 stack territory

but idk the avg cdr you get on vendetta

and if it means that I should wait to literally use them together, or if it’s ok that they’re like ~10s apart

[gusty mirage]

It ends up being like a 10ish second difference usually

And you’d just hold vendetta for flag at that point, because you want to giga juice the bleeds with the flag haste

[exotic salmon]

Hello, does anyone know whats the best covenant for Rygelon fight? Venth feels weird

[limber lion]

Marileth

[gusty mirage]

Necro’s really strong on rygelon if you’re not enjoying venthyr because you get a ton of bonespike resets from the quasars

@limber lion

[exotic salmon]

ah ty

[limber lion]

@gusty mirage

[subtle tundra]

i want to sleep

[timber gale]

sorry brain fried - what I mean is, if flag is up first and vendetta is like ~10s away, should I just flag and then vend as it's up

[limber lion]

Flag is never up first

Vendetta is around 50-55s with Duskwalkers, Flag is around 60-67s depending on Obedience stacks

Unless you've scuffed your uptime, Vend should always be available first, which you would then hold for Flag - or vice versa, if that somehow happens

but it really shouldn't

[timber gale]

it was for me every time last night lmao - but again this was one fight and my first time using it, so maybe the lack of training on the boss nonstop made it weird?

interesting

[subtle tundra]

you must be doing something wrong

[timber gale]

okay, so regardless of whatever that was. it sounds like hold vendetta

[gusty mirage]

Pugging usually makes things miserable with timings

[subtle tundra]

are you playing dusk?

[timber gale]

yes

[limber lion]

Yeah, you just sync them both together every time.

[gusty mirage]

So I’m not shocked that the timings ended up a bit scuffed

[limber lion]

Sometimes intermissions and whatnot might scuff things up, which is fine

Good thing about Venth, is that you can sync Flag/Vend (and every other Shiv) pretty consistently without worry

Don't have to keep track of cooldowns too too much, just know that you should be using all 3 together whenever one becomes available

[timber gale]

so really some of the extra vendetta CDR is superfluous, what we want is for it to get used a bit later (in perfect scenarios) as you begin your flag haste-stacking

[limber lion]

That's correct, you want to use Flag followed by 2 finishers (Finisher - MFD - Finisher) before sending Vend

Just to get full value out of the haste snapshot potential of the 4 set.

[timber gale]

cool, and that small lead time on flag + gcds + vend also probably helps account for the extra duskwalkers timer lining up on repeat reps

[limber lion]

Usually just doing Flag Rup MFD CT Vend is fine, even if Rup/CT are not too close to pandemic yet

Yeh, it's pretty simple overall

[timber gale]

I don't have any tier so I'm not using CT in st atm; do you think it's worth doing for practice

[limber lion]

Playing around the tier set is the difficult bit - but talking from experience, it gets a lot smoother and better once you play it for a few days

[limber lion]

Nah, it's fine

I mean you can do it as practice for sure, but the 4p changes the Vendetta-windows quite a bit

so you'll be playing that part pretty differently regardless

Don't get much use out of CT outside of the Vend windows

[timber gale]

yeah that's what I figured

I leveled fae a bit so I'm still debating which I want to go for long-term

[limber lion]

Yeah, Night Fae is a decent choice and gives you more flexibility in terms of soulbinds

And well, Soulshape is always a good tool to have

[timber gale]

I've played venthyr since 9.0 but also it feels like I'm needing a lot more uh. focus time on ramp/execution than a lot of fights are allowing me

but that is also maybe the raid leader in me that wants to just stop dps and do mechanics and calls on top of everything

[limber lion]

Yeah maybe. Venthyr is definitely the most uptime-reliant covenant out of them all

Gotta be glued to the boss at all times pretty much

As Night Fae you can pretty much just send every other Sepsis with Shiv and then go for a run

[timber gale]

how does anything even change w/ fae? did some very basic like, lfr/early norm bosses w/ it but not with 2x lego. I'd assume it's just throw sepsis on CD, sometimes stand in ur field of blossoms as much as u can, and otherwise try and use your ~10s window of ar+shb

[limber lion]

Doesn't have any ramp up either, it's pretty frontloaded with the Sepsis conduit/4p

[timber gale]

I suppose I should also actually learn how bonespike works

[gusty mirage]

Tanks doing a big move of the boss in the last 2-3 seconds of flag

[limber lion]

We follow a pretty straightforward syncing logic as Fae where we want to sync Sepsis/Shiv together everytime and every other Sepsis with Vend

That means;

Sepsis/Shiv/Vend
Shiv
Vend/Shiv
Sepsis/Shiv
Vend/Shiv
Shiv
Sepsis/Shiv/Vend

[timber gale]

i'm maining nf dk right now and in keys I'm absolutely slamming; but tanks moving bosses out of my lil blue circle in raid makes me wanna cry

[limber lion]

Yup, our DK gets infuriated whenever someone steals his interrupts on Pantheon

[gusty mirage]

Deathspike makes life a lot easier with that, goal is to spread the the dot and not cap charges (and unload them during gemstones if you’re playing heimir)

[umbral rapids]

Heirmir

[gusty mirage]

Yeah

[umbral rapids]

Gemstones

[gusty mirage]

That one

[limber lion]

SBS is honestly the easiest covenant ability to use

[umbral rapids]

Best one

[gusty mirage]

Still waking up

[timber gale]

luckily everyone knows the interrupts are mine lmao

i could have sworn i heard a lot of dooming abt sin necro

[subtle tundra]

i dont intrerrupt 😎

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’s because deathspike is like 30 dps in ST

[subtle tundra]

i got flamed when they found out i dont have focus kick

[limber lion]

Yeah that's because Deathspike doesn't do anything for us in single target

[timber gale]

it's legit the worst to go to rogue and not have an actual ranged interrupt

[limber lion]

The addition of making Bonespike work with 4p made it the best covenant without double legendaries

Too bad everyone has double legendary now and DS is just a dead legendary

But it's still a lot of fun in AOE

[gusty mirage]

So many refunds

[limber lion]

Actually makes Sin in M+ really enjoyable personally

[subtle tundra]

yea, but my ST dps :///

[gusty mirage]

On anduin I was just slamming sbs -> into finishers

It was amazing

[subtle tundra]

too bad finishers do bad dmg

[timber gale]

i swear everyone has explained it to me 100 times

[gusty mirage]

Think of the 5k envenoms though

[timber gale]

I literally. just press the button. and bc of DS it bounces? or do I have to be tab targeting every time

[umbral rapids]

Amazing

[gusty mirage]

It cleaves a random target near your target

[crystal raft]

double leggo necro is the only time i have fun playing assassination in keys lol

[limber lion]

Yeh it sends out 2 spikes instead of one

Don't have to switch targets or anything

[umbral rapids]

Doesn’t prio non bleed targets tho

[limber lion]

There's some kind of target-priority system in place, but not entirely sure how it works

[hollow escarp]

doesn't really matter

you still tab target a bit for ruptures and garrotes