assassination

[marble hemlock]

they clearly wanted to do that again

and they succeeded with a bunch of other classes

just not with rogue /shrug

[slow marsh]

Otherwise just make them epic items with bonuses not legendaries

[fleet whale]

in Legion I ran Zoldyck and MA in Antorus, with the dashing scoundrel set bonus

[marble hemlock]

theres functionally no difference between most of our legendaries, and an epic item that reads "you now do 3-5% more damage"

[fleet whale]

had my most fun in wow ever that raid

[slow marsh]

Ye

[marble hemlock]

yeah i mean

with agonizing poison and big envenoms

MA actually felt good

[fleet whale]

antorus had no ap

it was TB, but still chunky envenomes

[marble hemlock]

well no, just saying in general

tuning was very different

[fleet whale]

yeah

my envenoms hit hard

maybe up to 9 million, i can't remember the numbers

[marble hemlock]

but yeah, my envenoms in nighthold did more damage than the ones in antorus

[fleet whale]

i always crushed people in the opener

[marble hemlock]

i miss AP 😦

[fleet whale]

i don't

[marble hemlock]

procrate sucked

[fickle oak]

NS env with AP into draught

[fleet whale]

yeah, and it stacked 5 times

[marble hemlock]

but im heavily in favor of removing proc-rng on poisons anyway

i dont understand the purpose

"have some utility, but its not workign all the time"

[echo geyser]

i had no clue it was that shit

[marble hemlock]

its not shit

its decent damage

i just dont like it

cause trying to get a 5+ CP rupture and CT in before it runs out, while also having to use a 1CP garrote

is just painful

when your builders generate 2-4CP

[slow marsh]

I would like to know how we come back from bosses having 10 billion health and envenom doing 9mil, to squishing and now envenom does 3 damage but we still manage to kill the jailer who supposedly has been manipulating all the villains for the last however many years. And we go from this to what? Dragons?

[marble hemlock]

i mean obviously a statsquish has no actual lore explanation?

[fleet whale]

we went from Deathwing to fighting praying mantis'

i try not to pay attention to power level stuff in wow

plus going from the jailer to dragons

isn't as bad as going from fighting a Titan to fighting pirates

[slow marsh]

Well I mean stat squish is whatever I don't mean that bit seriously but like it feels like there was more power in general in the last vs current power just doesn't make a lot of sense

[fleet whale]

i hope blizz doesn't stat squish again in 10.0

i don't think we really need one

[marble hemlock]

i mean that was kinda the point though

[slow marsh]

Like oh we fighting the biggest bad we've ever fought? Here's a belt that will make your boner spikes hit twice. Good luck

[marble hemlock]

the reason we were able to achieve feats like we did in legion

was due to the vast power granted by the weapons

[fleet whale]

and even in bfa

[marble hemlock]

we dont have those anymore, lore-wise thats a big hit

[fleet whale]

the heart made us ultra powerful

[marble hemlock]

we didnt really do amazing shit in bfa tho

[slow marsh]

But that's my point isnt the jailer supposed to be the biggest bad that's been manipulating everything for the last how long

[fleet whale]

N'zoth was vaporised

by us

[marble hemlock]

nzoth was the weakest of the old gods

[fleet whale]

He was still an old god, and by the player's perspective, caused more issues then either C'thun or Yogg-Saron

[balmy condor]

Technically we didn’t kill n’zoth the necklaces just kinda turned on and decided it was time

[slow marsh]

Like I'm all for removing some of the extra layers of borrowed power but also can it still make sense story-wise?

[fleet whale]

i hope borrowed power is gone following sl

[slow marsh]

The power of friendship bro

[balmy condor]

We spent all of bfa carrying some dumb necklace around until it was all big and strong and ready to kill a thing

And then it killed n’zoth

And instantly turned into a hunk of metal

[slow marsh]

But now the jailer has it in his pocket

[fleet whale]

jailer is skinny now though

lost a lot of weight

[slow marsh]

He's a newer model. 2.0 version

[balmy condor]

Yeah he’s looking a lot different from the jailer of Warcraft 3, I mean wrath with the sword, oh he wasn’t there? I meant cataclysm with like the end of… oh he wasn’t there for that either?

[fleet whale]

i'm surprised with all this stuff people figured out with flag, 4 piece, CT, and snapshotting

that exsang didn't find it's way back in the fold, lol

[slow marsh]

Exsang only works on one set of bleeds and you have 2/3 rups/gars and like 69 CT in vend

Speed one of those sets up by x2 but take away 10% haste and you end up with less damage

Cuz that's how math works right whisp

[fleet whale]

i mean don't get me wrong i'm glad exsang is not good

that would be too many buttons that don't necessarily feel good to press together

[slow marsh]

Oh I would accept the cringe whole heartedly

Why not right

[fleet whale]

Yeah even right now, assassin has too many awkward buttons

[slow marsh]

Na it's just mfd that's it

[balmy condor]

Kinda yeah

It just goes back to the issue that tier and 4 set don’t actually increase the damage of anything

So like sure you can make an 8 second garrote last 4 seconds

But you gain maybe 6 ticks?

That’s not really impressive

And why would you do that when you can just get 10% haste always

[slow marsh]

Ye it would only have a chance if it was actually fitting something inside a bigger damage amp like idk MA leggo but even then

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean you just don’t have anything in the game that can give that much damage gain in 4 seconds that wouldn’t normally happen in 8

We aren’t venth boomkins with star surge

We’re a dot class

And it’s still just a dot at the end of the day

[slow marsh]

Ye it's unlucky

[rotund oak]

Spec*

Class is the Rogue

also

❤️

[muted topaz]

Do you talent CT for this raid as there are so many bosses that require cleave? Assuming you don't have someone to summon you in between bosses to change talents

[rotund oak]

[grim parcel]

If i Shiv before a bleed, will it still get enhanced from the 2pc? Or do i have to get all the bleeds up first and then shiv? Did anyone test?

[rotund oak]

from the moment the bleed starts running think it will but we normally first blled em then shiv em(acting accordingly to pins)

[grim parcel]

Thank you

I'll test myslef!

[rotund oak]

you are welcome friend

[hollow river]

it buffs your bleeds dynamically

so it doesn't matter if you shiv before or after they are applied, but generally we want to press shiv when bleeds are already up

otherwise you'd waste globals getting bleeds up during shiv

[sterile chasm]

Hello

How is best way to use cache?

[balmy condor]

Axe on cd

[sterile chasm]

Always?

[rotund oak]

yes,axe does more dam

[sterile chasm]

Thanks 🙏🏾

[rotund oak]

yw

[indigo mulch]

Wtb trinkets =c

What are the best trinkets we can get though?

Pantheon and phial?

[vestal wren]

sigil + phial

[thin imp]

Cache is a good alternative until sigil

a bit clunky to use tho

[vestal wren]

its not intuitive

because you need to know how it works

still a good trinket

[steel ridge]

does the 2pc and 4pc increase/speed up the dot from phial?

[thin imp]

maybe counter measure will replace sigil when available (dunno if have been simulated)

[vestal wren]

no

countermeasure is good, but we have very strong alternatives

[indigo mulch]

Wow sigil is that strong?

[zinc frost]

Cache is really strong in dungeons

[indigo mulch]

In what situation is sigil not good? I mean for example if ypu dont bl on pull?

Does it lose a lot of value?

[vestal wren]

it just works rly well with the burst of the spec

sigil might not be the best if you have bad kill timers for it

as it is a 5 min cooldown

[indigo mulch]

Yeh

[rotund oak]

FCM would win sigil in fast kills aight?

[indigo mulch]

Aome guildies told me its a "sim" trap if you dont bl at pull

[vestal wren]

sigil probably would win out if you have very fast kills

esp. given the strong initial burst

[rotund oak]

true,but we had alot of normal kills in the 4min marker,on heroic its over 5min always

ended using sigil/fcm as double use

[vestal wren]

normal esp. will get to 3 min mark probably

so sigil will be quite nice there

if its a bit above 3 mins, might be better to use a 3 min cd trinket

[rotund oak]

that makes it even more reasonable for phial/sigil i guess

yeah

[vestal wren]

would need to sim for it, but speedkills are quite niche

i don't expect ppl to run normal once they got tier

[rotund oak]

its more like,i wanna control my windows perfectly so i can calculate the dam on them and act accordingly

so i was thinking what trinkets to use in general

thx for the input :3

[placid dawn]

with the new tech, how far behind sub are we?

[bleak sky]

within margin

[rotund oak]

we are close

[steel ridge]

the new tech is just flag>rupt>mfd>ct>vend>shiv and then just keep everything up?

and the haste gained from flag is still active at the end of vendetta to snapshot one last time?

what exactly snapshots now, the haste or the exsang effect?

[placid dawn]

and we always wait for flag and vendetta to be synced right?

so, burst very 1m Xs depending on how many cps you got during flag

[steel ridge]

pretty much, with mfd you should usually be able to get 30 stacks tho

i mean you have 14 stacks after 2 gcds right away

thats 10 more seconds to get 16 stacks in

[pseudo hamlet]

Absolute BIS = Unity crafted on helm?

Considering that I've got already 278ilvl 4PC on other slots?

[viscid spear]

| Unity on Wrist (Helm is +0.3% with every possible item available, but clashes with tier, not recommended) |

^from the FAQ

[pseudo hamlet]

So Unity on helm, got it!

[limber lion]

Legs are actually better most things considered

[kindred dune]

guys for m+, do you garrote 3 times and then sbs 5 times and then start with ruptures and then CT? saying a trash grp of 5 mobs

have a hard time figuring out what has priority

[rotund oak]

The opener is rly dope and theotar sims higher for me than nadja even with 3p for 60dps

triple pot theo**

[neon cloak]

whats MFD

[rotund oak]

marked for death

[steel ridge]

you would finish in between with CT obviously

gar gar gar sbs sbs and you are already capped, then ct, than sbs and probably rupture, sbs, rupture, sbs rupture and start over

[kindred dune]

makes sense, thanks a lot

how many targets would you try to keep the bleeds up, like is it, just bleed as much as you can or would you say if you have like 4 mobs up, just spam CT finisher or envenom

[bleak sky]

you don't spam CT

[steel ridge]

you will have plenty to do keeping up bleeds on 4 targets consistently

[bleak sky]

envenom to keep snd up, keep bleeds up on as many targets as you can

[rotund oak]

doubt it worths over 3

[steel ridge]

yep, usually SND is your most valued finisher

[bleak sky]

this is not sub

[rotund oak]

ik

[bleak sky]

yes you'll be energy saturated but you need to bleed stuff

[kindred dune]

ok so bleeds on as many as possible and SnD replenish with envenom

[rotund oak]

considering u need to keep snd

and the evaluate the time a pull lives

[steel ridge]

pretty much, that should give you plenty of work

[bleak sky]

if you do have a prio target, just keep enough bleeds up and dump envenoms on main target whenever

[rotund oak]

now we are talking

[kindred dune]

and do you guys play necro with 3 potencies or with 2? I have a feeling that I make much more damage when I take the first soulbind instead of bonessmith heimir

[bleak sky]

whatever sims highest

[steel ridge]

with deathspike you will have perma kevin, which is nice

[lone wolf]

there's any sim about duskwalker vs zoldyck insignea?

idk what to craft for lords

and i see on warcraftlogs both

the sheet only mentions duskwalker 😦

[pseudo hamlet]

then why it's "helm" on the Faq?

[zinc frost]

Dusk on lords is better with 4pc

[limber lion]

Because it literally does not matter

Bis lists are dumb

Legs are the best, only if you have appropriate gear in comparison

Same with helm

Only good if you have full 277/285 gear and sitting at 284 ilvl

[kindred dune]

anyone of you tried deeper vs vigor in m+ with necro?

[raven vapor]

anybody have any idea why shiv seems to break the rupture pandemic glow in Afenar's wa?

[pseudo hamlet]

I agree to some extent, because considering that I will be focusing on getting 4pieces on 278ilvl from the M+(with the vault/cypher catalyst) I'd rather not waste plenty of gold for the legendary that I wouldn't use or the one that isn't that optimal.

[rotund oak]

By break u mean ''doesnt glow''?

[raven vapor]

yep after casting shiv i have to completely leave combat and reopen the WA settings before the glow works again for the rupture pandemic window, after casting shiv it breaks again.

just tested 5 mins against a dummy without using shiv and the pandemic glow worked fine both for inside and outside of Vendetta but as soon as i cast shiv it's gone

[rotund oak]

yeah,noticed it many times since ive started going balls deep into assa and im using afenar's as well

[wanton pollen]

hello, i just hit max level, what should my first legendary be ?

[rotund oak]

i usually see the ''4-5sec'' window and if not empowered jsut refresh them

[raven vapor]

yeah i know when to refresh them just trying to see if i can fix it in the WA as it's easier at a glance for refreshing during cleave

[rotund oak]

im not on my desktop rn but pretty sure u can play aorund it from display-trigger/glow

can recall completely disabling it

[raven vapor]

right so playing with it a bit more it looks like the glow works during vendetta after shiv but the normal pandemic window is broke so at least i know which condition to look at

Found it, it was the multi condition for active false. Moved that onto it's own condition and it's working correctly with shiv now

[jaunty whale]

What cov and leggo are people playing with 2 set? Sorry if that's been asked a million times

[raven vapor]

Single Legendary No Tier:
Venth: Obedience
Other Covenants: Dashing

Double Legendary No Tier:
All Covenants: Unity + Dashing

Single Legendary with 4pc:
All Covenants: Duskwalkers

Double Legendary with 4pc:
All Covenants: Unity + Duskwalkers

Zoldyck is used on Pantheon always, as well as Lords and m+ before double legendary. After double legendary, duskwalker is better in lords and m+

[winter gale]

Is there any flagellation wa thats in bar mode?

Or solely text

[late magnet]

Hello everyone, need help regarding assa M+

[subtle tundra]

say!

[late magnet]

how does assa m+ work

[subtle tundra]

-.-

[bleak sky]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[bleak sky]

there ya go

[late magnet]

i mean is there any cap like outlaw bladeflurry

of bleed and

[spice spire]

Uncapped, but if you lack understanding, do recommend a guide as it’s the most involved of the 3 rogue specs in m+

[late magnet]

so in m+, just spam garrote, rapture and crimson on every target?

[spice spire]

Maintain snd, maintain your bleeds, use fok on builder on 4+, use fok to spread poisons on 3, CT is a dot, don’t spam it

[late magnet]

sry, whats snd?

slice n dice?

[compact atlas]

I am not sure if I understand the pin correctly. Is Theotar now our go-to soulbind? Or is he only viable with haste tea?

[spice spire]

Yes it’s slice and dice

[spice spire]

With haste tea

But it’s better to sim it yourself and make sure

[compact atlas]

Okay, thank you!

[late magnet]

sry for the noob question, but do i have to maintain all the dots and bleeds on every target, no matter 2 or 10

[hollow river]

That’s the goal yes

[craggy oak]

depends, strict aoe maintain as much as you can

[hollow river]

Unless you have an important priority target

[craggy oak]

for prio min max, maintain 5

[hollow river]

Then you spread 5 and focus the main target

[late magnet]

you mean maintain rapture on 5 target?

[hollow river]

Rupture or garrote

[spice spire]

Rapture or garrote

[keen aurora]

5 total bleeds

[hollow river]

For a total of 5 bleeds

[craggy oak]

could techinaly be 5 ruptures

but dont do that

[spice spire]

Ye

[hollow river]

So garrote/rupture on 2 targets and a 3rd target with only garrote OR rupture

[spice spire]

That’s why a guide is recommended. There’s no real rotation, errr. After a certain point, it follows concepts less than rotation.
Knowing what to do/when is important

[hollow river]

(One of those targets CAN be your prio target included)

Yeah the guides are big

[late magnet]

so more than 5 bleeds doesnt work

[hollow river]

Oh god

[keen aurora]

It works, but if you're prioritizing a target it's less efficient

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

This is for priority target pulls

[late magnet]

i did go through guides, but i couldnt understand

[spice spire]

Think - the shards in halls

[hollow river]

If you don’t have 1 big priority target

You bleed everything in sight

To infinity

[spice spire]

You’d follow the 5 bleed rule (these bleeds are energy regen)
Because shard needs to die.
If you’re in ardenweald and doing the urn pull? Bleed it all

Maintain snd

The end

[hollow river]

Ye

[late magnet]

cool

i did Mist yesterday, untill 2nd boss i had no problem, but after that there were like 2 packs and i had no idea what to do

[iron orchid]

worth it to keep bleeds up on anduin during intermission for energy regen ?

[spice spire]

Nah

[iron orchid]

i did it, thinking it would be (same as in CN on council)

[spice spire]

I’ll bleed him as he’s going in

[hollow river]

On Anduin you’re going into big aoe

[spice spire]

And just funnel damage

Aoe/funnel I should say

[iron orchid]

hmm i guess it's just that i have no tier piece or anything too

[hollow river]

Yeah when you have nothing to do when he first goes immune sure

[spice spire]

I even run dashing (no 4p) for the energy regen

[iron orchid]

yeah that helps a lot

i felt it too

[spice spire]

Yep just pulling a sub and 1-2ing does dam

[craggy oak]

you 4pc boys in here, are you swimming in energy with it?

[hollow river]

Yep

During vendettas at least

[plain zealot]

hey guys. i have a question about the 4p stuff.. do you refresh the bleeds at all targets (like p3 pantheon) while in vendetta? Tried to handle it like this last raid an was rlly hard because of the fast ticking.

[late magnet]

thanks for the tips guys, i get the point now, if there is prio target in the pack (like shard), maintain 5 x bleed for energy regen, fok and envenom on prio, other wise just spam bleed on as many target as possible, am i right here?

[craggy oak]

garrotte's will fall off more than likely, maintain ct>ruptures env to maintain snd, garrotte every 6 sec. I imagine, on the pantheon example you gave, you are just going to be rupturing most of the time during vendetta.

[plain zealot]

Ahh ok.. i thought so.. was just switching all few seconds to rupture/garrotte again.. so env is rlly just a filler to maintain snd. thx :)

[craggy oak]

with the new 4pc, it is my understanding env is not very high on the prio list, even during MA window, if a bleed is falling I believe you refresh bleed over MA env, I could be wrong there.

[latent dew]

Does 15% haste low for NF 2 pieces? (also doomblade but im working on it to get Duskwalk)

[craggy oak]

if your question is does that amount of haste sound low, yes it does, but the answer is sim, to see what stats you value. the final point is, don't worry about stats so much as it's early and you will eventually get gear with haste/crit

[outer cairn]

I think after shiv>vanish>mut you are good to envenom, but then yeah your next finisher could be refreshing a bleed or could be another envenom.

Think Cev said the other day that during Vendetta, refresh CT at 2, outside refresh at 4ish

[slow marsh]

It's 2 and 4 not ish

[strange python]

Seconds not CP I'm guessing

[slow marsh]

Yes

[outer cairn]

well I say 4ish cause its probably gonna dip just below or be above when you hit the finisher

[slow marsh]

Those are the pandemic timers

Below is fine try not to do above 4s

[outer cairn]

of course

anyone experienced making WAs?

[slow marsh]

I'm experienced in editing / customizing them kinda

[outer cairn]

so thought process is, Sire had a WA that said choke me when you got choked. Looking to find or make a WA to get your toon to say shit when you land anima charged cps

IF thats possible

[slow marsh]

Yeah I don't do weird stuff like that but it should just be a basic set a condition and then a trigger for the sound

[outer cairn]

lol weird

i'll have to do some research if i'd have to make it

[slow marsh]

Why would you need to know when you land a CP is my question

[outer cairn]

No no. Not know when I hit. I'll know that. I mean just have your toon say shit like /s when you land a CP. if that is possible

for funsies

[muted ivy]

it's 100% possible, but it isn't super useful because of how dynamic CP are, especially with Sub

[slow marsh]

You'd just attach it to the animacharged cp spell ids which I already have in my wa pack so it'd just be making a new trigger when it's consumed to do a sound

[outer cairn]

could you also make it have your toon say something? like /s insert text

[gusty mirage]

Open assassination, see kyrian talk

https://tenor.com/view/league-pete-awkward-leave-gif-8165853

[outer cairn]

discussing WAs

[strange python]

See you at soup group

[slow marsh]

The only sin talk these days is the great war between the undead and the vampires

[gusty mirage]

The Great War between me and you

[outer cairn]

but vampires are undead

[gusty mirage]

Got em

[muted ivy]

TRU

[slow marsh]

I was waiting for that

[outer cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907

[slow marsh]

Let's just make love instead yeah?

[muted ivy]

do you mean when you land on an animacharged cp? or when you cast a finisher with an animacharged cp?

[outer cairn]

When you finish. Literally just looking to have my rogue say stupid shit when I finish on one

[muted ivy]

oh ya that's EZ

[outer cairn]

haha

nice

[muted ivy]

just have a WA that tracks the buffs, and in the conditions tab you can make it send a message whenever one of those buffs gets removed

[outer cairn]

hmm. I don't think I have a WA that does that. Any suggestions?

[muted ivy]

make it from scratch, just make a new Text type WA with no text

[outer cairn]

May need to do some research then. No experience with making WAs

[muted ivy]

then in the Trigger tab it should already be set to player buffs, and when you cast ER just hover over the buffs

it should show you the ID and you just add those into the spots in the trigger tab

[outer cairn]

i'll have to fumble with it and see if i can figure it out

[muted ivy]

it shouldn't be too hard, it's a very simple WA considering how much more complex they can get

[outer cairn]

Right. I've never made one so its a foreign concept

all i've ever done is just import

[muted ivy]

if you just look up a guide on how to track a buff with a WA that should give you a good idea of what you need to do

[outer cairn]

that's what i was thinking

[muted ivy]

a basic outline would be you set "trigger 1" to track the ER[2] buff, which is the one that says your second CP is charged, and then in the conditions tab you make a condition for when you lose that buff (ie. this would go when you cast a finisher on 2cp, or if you ran out the time on the buff, but we're gamers so we always hit it )
it should give you a field where you can choose what to do when that condition happens, and one of the choices should be a chat message

if you have more questions feel free to just DM me, this is way off topic for this channel lol

sorry mods

[outer cairn]

I'll look into it more when I get home. can't do anything from work

[kindred dune]

does anyone know how to make the NPC border color white when a specific debuff is on the mob? using cevs plater but it seems that its getting overridden by something, but Im too stupid to figure out what that could be

[muted ivy]

on plater you would have to make sure your nameplates actually have a border, I was doing something similar and couldn't figure it out until I made the border big enough that I could actually see it

[uneven hamlet]

does anyone have the link to cev's 17k sim? the cev magic thing

[hollow river]

Sub still simming like 1k ahead of sin for me

[ebon notch]

what are the numbers

[spice spire]

Sec

Here

[uneven hamlet]

ty sir

[hollow river]

Like 14.6k and 13.6k

[ebon notch]

why did he not use pot food flask or aug

did he factor it in manually or smth so raidbots didnt recognise it?

[ebon notch]

my assa sims 14.3

maybe you have some optimisation to do?

[hollow river]

Nah I don’t think so. I’ve simmed all my combinations for both specs besides sub Kyrian specifically could prolly be optimized for even more than 14.6

[spice spire]

@limber lion - whenever you can, of course.
Won’t even attempt to ask his logic here, there may be a reason I don’t know

[hollow river]

I simmed Venthyr vs. Venthyr and sub was only like 60 dps ahead.

But Kyrian just dumpsters assa for me

[uneven hamlet]

just got called out for playing assa in sausage prog

[ebon notch]

if you do enough damage you can reply with "fuck off"

if not then you apologise and respec

worked for me so far

[ebon notch]

link assa sim

[hollow river]

I’m at work atm

[uneven hamlet]

I did top the boss dmg, but was the lowest add dmg

[ebon notch]

yeah i assume he had something planned

[hollow river]

If I remember I will later

[ebon notch]

which boss

[uneven hamlet]

sausage

[hollow river]

Ofc you did the most boss dam

Everyone is hard swapping the add lol

Or they should be

[uneven hamlet]

assa hard swaping the add be like put the dots up hes dead

[ebon notch]

i did 200k damage to the add lmao

[hollow river]

[ebon notch]

and joint top 3 for boss dam

[hollow river]

I was doing like 600k to add last night

[ebon notch]

ive found that mfd lines up with the core sometimes

so i just delay and mfd rupture it

then fuck off back to the boss

[uneven hamlet]

our best try yesterday

[hollow river]

Sub destroys them

[ebon notch]

thats completely fine imo

dont let them bully you

[slow marsh]

Sin doesn't do add damage they use adds to funnel more boss damage

[hollow river]

I’d prolly get benched if I tried to play sin on this boss

[ebon notch]

why

[slow marsh]

I thought you were getting benched regardless

[hollow river]

That’s only for certain fights that they’re on the demon hunter copium for

[slow marsh]

gotcha

[hollow river]

Ya toxic fuck

[slow marsh]

You said it not me

[ebon notch]

just dont get benched

[hollow river]

Can’t force everyone to stop smoking copium

[brazen zodiac]

especially me that shits great

[hollow river]

We’ve lost her

[slow marsh]

Havoc seems stronger this week than it actually is. It's upper mid. It has to use meta to do massive aoe and it still only gets 1 -2 casts even with 4p.

Venthyr doesn't use sweep/dance talents so it's only real cleave is eyebeam and immo aura, which is nice but not nearly the kind of cleave it had as NF

[ebon notch]

just brand it and never let it drop off

[limber lion]

@ebon notch that's because advanced automatically assumes all raid buffs/food/potion. Every profile has a default set of consumables they use, and if you want to change it, you would have to manually add it in. The advanced sim UI jist doesn't display the buffs, but if you open up the full sim in HTML, you can find em all there.

[spice spire]

Ty papi, wasn’t sure and didn’t want to put words in your mouth.
Glad to know

[ebon notch]

good shit

[limber lion]

But that is true that technically you can probably edge out a tiny bit more dps by changing the potion, because the default one is phantomfire which is cringe

[ebon notch]

its minutiae at that point anyway

thank you for clearing it up

[modest barn]

What potion do you recommend

[kindred dune]

there is an orange border it seems, but cant figure out what to do next

[limber lion]

Actually, I did use a spectral agility potion after all. Nevermind :)

[limber lion]

Spectral agi everywhere always

[modest barn]

Why agility?

[indigo mulch]

Damgur

[limber lion]

?

[modest barn]

Not questioning you just curious

[limber lion]

Because it's better?

[modest barn]

Like why it’s better than the other

[limber lion]

Because it does more damage

?

[ebon notch]

yo cev you said we should wait for a tick before we vendetta, how long would a tick be in real time during lust?

[limber lion]

It sims better

It's not rocketscience

[modest barn]

Thanks. All I was wondering sorry for asking

[limber lion]

No worries

We have always used Spectral Agility

[modest barn]

Who knows, maybe it made it easier to avoid things. Idk I’m new to the game

[limber lion]

Never Phantomfires as Assa

[ebon notch]

we only care about damage here

[kindred dune]

yo cev, can you please check your plater and let me know how I could do a border color change on SBS ? you have it with background color, but it seems that border color is not working 😦

[ebon notch]

if you see something wack its probably cause it makes you do more damage

[limber lion]

Who knows

[limber lion]

Not on the computer so unfprtunately I can't do it yet

[ebon notch]

im guessing just dont slam vendetta instantly after your ct

[limber lion]

I'll try to remember when I get home in like 6 hours

[kindred dune]

awesome thank you

[modest barn]

Which spectral flask?

[limber lion]

Just press it with the shiv

Same gcd

[limber lion]

Are there more than one?

[ebon notch]

here

[muted ivy]

probably the one that isn't stamina

[ebon notch]

go to scripting, then search for SBS

[kindred dune]

that doesnt work for me in cevs plater, its always orange

[modest barn]

Stamina

[muted ivy]

it changes the border of the debuff

[ebon notch]

you mean when you click on the square to change the colour it doesnt update?

ahh

[limber lion]

Well which is better, a flask that increases your damage or a flask that increases your health?

[kindred dune]

I want to change the border of the nameplate

[ebon notch]

ah i changed the entire nameplate colour

cev will help you out when he comes back

[kindred dune]

yeah I have the same thing for rupture, that works fine for me

thanks a lot for trying 🙂 much appreciated

[muted ivy]

you need to go to the tab that says OnUpdate()
in the little drop down menu on the top right there should be a function like setbordercolor
just click that and replace the r,b,g,a with the variable in the ParseColor()

[ebon notch]

like this

big brain dragon

[muted ivy]

yee

and then change the r,b,g,a to that big scriptTable thing right above it

everything inside the parenthesis

it should look almost identical to the first Plater.SetNameplateColor thing

but instead it'll be SetBordorColor and the stuff inside will be the color of the second box from that first panel

[limber lion]

@kindred dune ^

[muted ivy]

also add that same function to the OnHide tab, but without the color variable

[kindred dune]

oh will try out immediately

[muted ivy]

so it'll just be Plater.SetBordorColor(unitFrame)

[kindred dune]

so I can create that from scratch and just use your code there?

ah thats pre-done, ok let me check

if I can figure it out

[muted ivy]

this would all need to got into the current script, it's just slightly changing what it already does

cuz currently that Border Color is supposed to be for the border of the actual debuff on the nameplate, but we want to change the color of the border on the nameplate which is slightly different

[kindred dune]

im re-reading your stuff, but im too stupid it seems

shouldnt this already work?

oh I think it worked

[cerulean nest]

Lords on sin feels great

[muted ivy]

so the SetBackdropBorderColor function that's there is to change the color of the debuffs border

[kindred dune]

yeah got it I think

thats some kind of glowing color behind the nameplate

[muted ivy]

which is why we want to add the Plater.SetBorderColor() function, cuz it changes the actual nameplate's border

[kindred dune]

anyway I can dynamically increase the border radius or do I need to do this static on the enemy npc border values?

[muted ivy]

shouldn't need static for anything

[kindred dune]

so any command to increase the radius of the border whenever I set the color as well?

[muted ivy]

not in the same function, there is probably another function in that dropdown list that should do it tho

[kindred dune]

thanks for the help, at least it works now! 🙂

[copper pine]

Hey when do i use mfd in raid ?

!guide

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[slow marsh]

Pins for opener then just on cd

hold if flag is in 15

or if adds are coming soon in like 10-15s

[copper pine]

kk ty

So opener Multi/Gar/Flag/rup/MFD/if skilled CT)/Vend/Shiv/ and then normal rotation dots up and ven as usual finisher

[placid dawn]

Mut slice first

[strange python]

you want to refresh rupture and garrote on the vendetta'd target as soon as theyre over? or during pandemic

with set

i don't have set yet so im trying to visualize it

[indigo mulch]

What stats do i want on zoldyck?

If i put it on boot

[green badge]

!guide

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[spice spire]

Crit/haste or mastery

[indigo mulch]

Mastery sounds juicy ngl

[slow marsh]

during new pandemic in vend

[strange python]

oH

what are the new pandemics

[spice spire]

Half the time

So for CT, it’s 2 instead of 4.

[strange python]

ohoh ok

[slow marsh]

gar 2 rup 3

[strange python]

ty

[pine torrent]

why is it reccomended to have unity on wrists? arent wrist leggos just bad cause of the low stats?

like why not have it on belt

[agile geode]

Cuz stats on other Pieces i guess

[spice spire]

Jailer drops 285 belt

[timid cloud]

Wrists also have garbanzo stats from any other source.

[slow marsh]

i have mine on helm

it's recommended on wrists because it's the safest slot to recommend to the general masses while still being efficient due to jailer belt like quake said

the last thing we'd want is for people to come in and start flaming because legs were recommended so they crafted unity on legs but they have legs hands helm shoulder tier and now they can't use 4p + double leggo because they just followed what was recommended instead of taking into consideration their current gear state

[hollow river]

I could’ve crafted gloves because I have 4p no gloves

But I still went Wrist

[slow marsh]

Well

Grats on your free socket ig

[hollow river]

I’m going to craft 285 gloves into crit vers gloves

Like a true baddie

[slow marsh]

I thought about doing gloves cuz that gross big mastery but turns out that we actually don't mind it afterall so

[hollow river]

Yeah a lot of haste mastery pieces sim well for me

[slow marsh]

Helm for free early socket + big stats, later I'll recraft to legs when we have extra resources to spare

[hollow river]

But typically it’s a chunk of ilvl upgrade as well

[slow marsh]

Ofc. Agi always gonna be best stat

People worry too much about secondaries

[hollow river]

Yep

I typically have a decent chunk of vers I can’t get rid of because I’m mostly playing sub atm

[slow marsh]

Ye I have some crit vers stuff I swap too but it's just like crafted ring and wrist

Probs gonna do some PvP this weekend and try to push for heroic ilvl but idk

[spice spire]

Traitor

[hollow river]

Yeah I want to try some pvp with assa 4p as NF

I’m excited

[slow marsh]

Ye

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

I'm just gonna play a cheese one shot build with exsang

And try and get a feral partner

[hollow river]

O:

What one shot build

[sonic schooner]

Applies bleeds, press vendetta with 4p, press vanish to enable 100% crit, and wait

UwU

[slow marsh]

MA leggo NF

Ye

[hollow river]

Omg 😱

[sonic schooner]

Did he survive? Well envenom mdf envenom, that s another 35k

[hollow river]

So you exsang+vendetta+vanish

[sonic schooner]

You actually dont really exsang

[slow marsh]

I either kill in open or kite for 2 mins to try again

[hollow river]

That’s dirty lmfao

[slow marsh]

Exsang let's your entire rup succ in ma window

And no point taking alac cuz if I'm actually getting stacks then I'm probably losing

[hollow river]

Do you play CT as well?

[slow marsh]

Na just pb

No time to ct

[red plaza]

Good trick I learned doing that in the lower brackets is do the toxic blade, sepsis, then vendetta vanish envenom mfd envenom. Especially when it's outside a kidney most people don't expect it. If you vendetta first you'll usually get an instant defensives reaction

[slow marsh]

It's probably bad but it's an easy gimmick that I doubt anyone is going to expect when they see assassination rogue

I mean you can kind of just Target healer and use the garett silence to lock them out

[hollow river]

Sin finally the pvp spec

Why cursed timeline do we live in

[slow marsh]

I mean it's kind of been PVP spec for a little bit

All three specs have been fine in their own rights

[glass tulip]

I would argue assass is better in 3s, worse in 2s

[slow marsh]

Yeah I mean you're right. Sin was bad and twos because it didn't have the burst that's required. But now it does so

[glass tulip]

Fair point

[hollow river]

That build def sounds like a 2s build

[slow marsh]

Oh at 100% is because if you don't get the kill you lose

[red plaza]

Sin has never been bad in 2s

[slow marsh]

Priest rogue has always been a solid comp

[red plaza]

Yeah it was just outshone by sub rogue mage

But never bad

[slow marsh]

well ye when you have duel + bomb

idk i'm not a pvp expert by any means but i've taken quite an interest in it over the last couple weeks. just haven't been serious about it

[sonic schooner]

You can play the first talent of this row for more energy during the opener burst making things easier and 1 to 2 gcd faster :3

And yea regarding pvp sin is actually great but not that much of a dampener now, just fae big goes, with a fae priest and dusk it s just vendetta over vendetta

[pine torrent]

i wont do mythic jailer though

[spice spire]

Then that note isn’t for you - note it’s a guideline and not the definitive answer

[grim topaz]

Am i the only one thinking getting shoulders from DoS (crit/vers) and making them into set item is the best way to go?

since our tier shoulders has vers/mast on them

[slow marsh]

except mastery is better than vers for us now

[grim topaz]

time to get haste/mast now

[hollow river]

Making them into a set item will make them vers/mas anyway

[timid cloud]

The only thing they kept is leech, speed, avoidance, & sockets, that we know of.

[hollow river]

If you create tier set items they have the same stats as raid items after creation

[gusty mirage]

get insta feigned by the hunter or bopped off by a pally then you cry

[sonic schooner]

Envenom go through bop, and yea heck hunters ><

[gusty mirage]

me when my 3s partners decide to "go hunter"

https://tenor.com/view/embarrassed-sad-cry-smile-im-fine-gif-14251203

[sonic schooner]

Rdrood Survival hunter feelsgoodman

[slow marsh]

too true

but it's cheese for a reason

[normal mist]

Aight i finally killed jailer normal, 2 pulls today with pugs, fucking easy.
QUESTION ABOUT M+ ---> Which soulbind should be used as necro?

[normal mist]

Dot his pet, free energy income

[slow marsh]

marileth

[normal mist]

Do we use katar or its garbage?

[gusty mirage]

el garbagio

[slow marsh]

you're replacing fok with sbs as much as possible so katar doesn't make sense even if it wasn't garbage

[normal mist]

havent m+ this week yet

no idea how it feels rn in M+

BTW random fact

killed 11 normal bosses, got 0 loot.

is this shit normal?

[subtle drift]

Sometimes, yeah.

I killed all normal Tier bosses and 8 HC this week, no loot.

[normal mist]

feels bad man

[wispy chasm]

Is there a custom apl for theotar tea?

[gusty mirage]

shadowlands.party_favor_type=x

primary/crit/haste/versatility

for x

[wispy chasm]

ty!

[gusty mirage]

if you want to sim them vs each other you can do that pretty easily w/ an advanced sim

it's just a bit more involved

[wispy chasm]

ya, im simming best case so guild picks me for tier 😛

[gusty mirage]

if you want I got the input for it saved somewhere

[fading latch]

So i have a question is Mark of death only used on adds ?

[wispy chasm]

if you do I would appreciate it

[gusty mirage]

shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste

copy="Primary Tea"
shadowlands.party_favor_type=primary

copy=" Vers Tea"
shadowlands.party_favor_type=versatility

copy="Crit Tea"
shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit```

toss this at the end of your simc input in an advanced sim

[zinc frost]

You wanna use it in flag window and if you can get resets on it yes

[wispy chasm]

ty!

[subtle drift]

Quick question, i want to play Assa for Lords of the Dread, would Nec + Unity and Zoldyk be the best combination? (currently only 2p)

[spice spire]

Yes

[subtle drift]

Thanks

[spice spire]

When 4p happens it’s dusk

[fading latch]

okii one more question, so if there is no adds i just use it everytime with flag?

[slow marsh]

you can use it on cd in between flags yes

[fading latch]

oh okii tyty 😄 first time using it

[thin trout]

4 set

https://tenor.com/view/aw-yis-shouldershimmy-winning-gif-8176046

[thin trout]

how important is delaying shiv for the flag/vendetta combo?

[limber lion]

Not that important

but you should do that

[placid pagoda]

For Necro we’re running doom blade ? Haven’t played rogue this tier so behind on the tech

[slow marsh]

dusk after 4p for everythign

[potent pollen]

Yo guys, do you know of any source where I can see the bis trinkets, be it for assassi and the other 2 specs?

[wild beacon]

Bloodmallet has trinket sims for all specs

[modest glen]

Would we use 2 on-use trinkets as assa? Shadowgrasp totem simming well but combining it with first sigil for example how would that work?

[proper tapir]

Doomblade is probably fine, some people are using Dashing. Just sim them both on cloak. But yeah dusk once you get 4p.

[placid pagoda]

Ah thanks for clarifying ‘

[rocky sluice]

Any advice on lords of dread guys? Going to try assassination on heroic tonight

[slow marsh]

yeah

keep your dots up

[gusty mirage]

accept that we'll never do as much damage as classes with real aoe

and just pump

[inland heath]

sepsis is increased by 2 piece 40% dmg?

[balmy condor]

yes

[cold rampart]

is the old rotation with MA with 4 set and double lego playable?

[balmy condor]

that's what venthyr basically does

just it's 900x more difficult and you have to play CT and MFD

[cold rampart]

i mean mfd is old

am cool with that

[timid cloud]

I love putting in more work & doing less damage. That’s why I play Sin!

[fleet whale]

Assassin has too many buttons with that build

might just switch to sub soon tbh, sin is too big brain atm

[untold nest]

How’s playing CT and MFD 900 times more difficult

Just a small min max

Venthyr outlaw shadowdust that shit is mucho loco. Tried it on lords last night and I think my wrists were not ok at the end

[balmy condor]

no no, CT and MFD are painfully on top of that

the whole venth snapshotting needed to be on the target for 30 second every minute

that's the cringe

you also lose the subterfuge cleave

not like anyone cares

[slow marsh]

Trying to cleave with 4p

[untold nest]

XD

[balmy condor]

Trying to play venthyr but then you have to snapshot stuff and delay vendetta a couple seconds but oh wait you didn't get all your flag stacks and now everything is desynced because you're playing with 2 legos that have a cdr reduction that you line up constantly so now you're flagging but it's 10 seconds late to where it should be and you're crying because your brain melts into goo cause you forgot to delay the vendetta so now you actually snapshot your rupture before the vendetta and it's all cursed so you try to dodge a mechanic but door has a 4 second cast time so you cloak but that's on cooldown because you had to use it for boss uptime on the last flag to make sure you got all your stacks

[slow marsh]

Uhhhh yeah that pretty much sums it up actually

[balmy condor]

bUt iT SiMs 300 dPs HiGhEr wHiSpYr

[bleak sky]

opp

just don't get targeted by mechanics, don't get cucked by your tanks moving, don't die, don't misplay

[slow marsh]

I tried to say the way that 4p worked was cursed and that the snapshot should've gotten removed for something else instead

[balmy condor]

just soak dasaugne beam out of range on boss while vendetta ticks away and you see the 300 dps evaporate

it's a beautiful time of year

[bleak sky]

dasaugne beam knocking you back feels so shitty

[balmy condor]

just cloak it that way it doesn't knock you back

[slow marsh]

But you need cloak to walk through double ring

[untold nest]

Out of all that. Only thing that matters is line up mfd/vendetta/flag

[balmy condor]

nah just game it really hard and get the overlap

[untold nest]

Ez

[bleak sky]

idk sounds not that simple

[balmy condor]

just line it up

nike sponser

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[slow marsh]

Yeah I will be the first to say it's def cursed to play

[balmy condor]

snapshotting is a shit mechanic

[untold nest]

Bruh legit my brain last night was on fire with shadowdust dread blades and double leggo as outlaw

[balmy condor]

it always has been

[untold nest]

This is like 20 times easier than that

[bleak sky]

it's a what? 100+ apm spec?

not venthyr, kyrian dust

pressing buttons fast != hard

[slow marsh]

They both suck who cares

[viscid spear]

So you're saying it's viable...

[balmy condor]

the real question is why even play outlaw on dread

[slow marsh]

the real question is why even play outlaw

Fixed it

[balmy condor]

just necro sin and vibe

true

[untold nest]

Not really but there I have 3 different cdrs and 5 cds I want all on cd before I send vanish and I want to also lineup flag with dread. It’s not about the speed and apm only

[fleet whale]

so make CT baseline in 10.0 and have SBS replace it on the talent tree for sin

[viscid spear]

What's the best Cov looking like after 4pc then?

[bleak sky]

all that for no damage

[balmy condor]

and never take anything ever in that row

[fleet whale]

wouldn't mind it

look at our other two options

[untold nest]

Assa is slower and you have 2 cdrs and 3 things to lineup

[balmy condor]

necro for cleave/aoe bosses, fae for single target damage, unless you think you're a giga gamer chad who can capitalize on venthyr on prog

in which case do that

[viscid spear]

Well I have 1pc so

[fleet whale]

idk the more i look at it, the more I think that this venth build might be the most unpleasant spec to play in wow currently

[slow marsh]

Outlaw deniers still trying to maintain some kind of skill 'high horse' over sin

[fleet whale]

for sin that

is

[slow marsh]

Yeah idk there's a lot of shitty feeling specs right now

[fleet whale]

opposite of 8.3 lol

and idk, sub isn't feeling too bad

[slow marsh]

Even the good ones don't feel nice

Like sub imo

Surv is another

Just throw everything out the window to fish for bomb procs to do mega dam

Feels so bad

[fleet whale]

so what you are basically saying is...

blizz should overhaul talents in 10.0

[slow marsh]

I'm saying that blizz seems out of touch with how specs actually play

[fleet whale]

wouldn't surprise me if most devs don't even play the game

[slow marsh]

I mean they do

Just not at a level that means anything

[bleak sky]

"don't play outlaw never will"

[slow marsh]

They can full troll everything and still play at the same levelish

[fleet whale]

Ion a long time ago used to be a very hardcore raider

but in like BFA his neck level was like really low lol

at the same time however i'm not sure if i would want devs to only be cutting edge raiders or gladiators

when designing a spec, the mindset should be "is this fun" "does this make sense"

[woeful cipher]

is it unusual that I sim 700 dps higher 5 min single target as sin than sub? I thought we were still a bit behind sub? is there someone who can take a quick look at my sims to see if I'm missing something... have mythic sylv daggers, im simming both as theotar not sure if that is making the difference

[dawn ivy]

venthyr sub is a little below kyrian sub

[bleak sky]

post sim

[woeful cipher]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5gXjF22aKUgMtCmaN9L3U3

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mpn5pwvgqzKqdxV2yPuN7e

[dawn ivy]

that sub sim is with nadjia

thrill seeker is giga cringe on sub

[woeful cipher]

🤦‍♂️

[dawn ivy]

also means youre missing third potency of PV

[woeful cipher]

idk how that got swapped

thats prob all the difference right there, thanks

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2qkgREuUGTZnWMqDx3mq5H still a good bit lower, hopefully not misssing something obvious again

[jaunty steeple]

you have quite a lot of haste for sub

also like mentioned, Kyrian is stronger than Venth for sub ST

[dawn ivy]

@woeful cipher try to get a NW ring or a SD ring

heavy haste ring is a bit harsh for sub

[hidden bloom]

!guide

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[rancid spade]

no buffs to sin

[zinc frost]

What buffs do we need?

[rancid spade]

20% dmg

[zinc frost]

I mean we are almost on par with sub ST with the new venth tech but sure more buffs why not

[balmy condor]

I was waiting for someone to complain

we're above average

[grim tangle]

so is ele shaman

[balmy condor]

ele?

on what fight is ele good right now

they get hard carried by anduin pad

[grim tangle]

on what fight is ele bad

my point is they didn't need 5% buff

[balmy condor]

I'm not taking it

[sonic schooner]

Assa definitely need a nerf just because Ceve is doing too much dmg

[raven hawk]

you dont play PV as venth stacc and replace that ring with giga haste sub has very little need for haste the amount you get from the tier pieces is more than enough

and kyr is about much better for usb than venth venth sub is for aoe or funnel damaage

[balmy condor]

bro what

of course venth plays PV

[zinc frost]

What is this PV talk doing in here

[slow marsh]

Seems like people who don't know how to play sub trying to justify their sin

[balmy condor]

idk man it's just so hard to get the most out of sub, I don't think I can perform that well
||specs into venth sin ||

[obtuse robin]

lmao

[slow marsh]

i don't think it's hard at all to get the most out of sub. just press powder like 130 times and you're good

[brazen zodiac]

sup ice

[blazing pumice]

um how can you powder with no combo points

[slow marsh]

ez

nado

[formal herald]

Hey uhhh quick question why do these Assassination Venthyr soulbinds run triple threat
https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue/covenants-soulbinds-and-legendaries

[nova flax]

Im assuming thats a mistake and its supposed to be WPS

[formal herald]

I assume Method is correct and I should be using Sinister Strike, somehow

[balmy condor]

that's a great question

why does it run triple threat

[bleak sky]

whispyr spreading outlaw propaganda

secretly

[nova flax]

Idk but im taking it into halondrus prog tomorrow ill let u know how it goes

[obtuse robin]

yo what the 50 % hp pantheon thing again for simming

[balmy condor]

there's a 50% hp pantheon thing?

[obtuse robin]

yea a line you put to simulate p3 i used it but i cant find it

[balmy condor]

idk I would just do 4 target execute patchwerk

[obtuse robin]

k ty

i assume like 2 min

[timid cloud]

Be better off playing Feral, at least they’d have an excuse for being dogshit.

[balmy condor]

something like that yeah

[obtuse robin]

feral just got buffed stonks rising

[timid cloud]

Yeah. I made a joke earlier, something something 30% bonus damage times 0 is still 0.

Big math there.

🧮

[restive dawn]

hello! with 4p, would duskwalker also be used for pantheon or zoldycks?

[nova flax]

Depends on if ur guild is struggling in p3 imo

[timid cloud]

I wish I had 4P…

[nova flax]

Zoldycks def the more ethical choice. Idk whats better numerically tho

[restive dawn]

claro thank you!

[timid cloud]

I’d imagine it would be too hectic to play Dusk. It’s been safer to do NL Zold for that fight from what I’ve seen.

[sterile drift]

Guys

What stats do you put on your legendary item

[zinc frost]

Crit/haste is fine

[sterile drift]

thanks man

One more question

I put it on back?

That's ok

[zinc frost]

Check the second pin

[sterile drift]

Ok

Zolduck insignia

Coolio right?

[zinc frost]

Feet for zold is preferable

[sterile drift]

Ok

I'm gonna do scoundrel

[bleak sky]

[sterile drift]

I had a friend ask me to ask

[bleak sky]

why don't you do the suggested legendaries

[sterile drift]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-tantrums-angry-mad-rage-gif-6063953

[ebon notch]

Honestly same

Be free little peacock

[oak sky]

🦚

so beautiful

[ebon notch]

Not you

You're a duck

[oak sky]

and yet i typed it

[ebon notch]

Everyone has dreams

[oak sky]

ill never be pretty like a peacock

[ebon notch]

You can be a nice stoic Mallard if you so desire

[balmy condor]

I knew a guy named mallard

Was a teacher at my school like 95 years old died my sophomore year

[oak sky]

damn thats crazy bro

still trying to find out who asked

[balmy condor]

I asked

I ask myself when I wake up every morning

Im in the zone

On my grind

Questioning life and shit

[bleak sky]

bro I was like that up until I started taking my meds

find jesus, take your meds

[oak sky]

DON'T check my off topic messages at 3 am

[balmy condor]

From: Agreon In:off-topic

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

Wait this isn’t search

[oak sky]

🤔

[thin trout]

is the vethyr rotation in the pins not implemented in sims yet?

[ebon notch]

It is you just sim low

[ebon notch]

What you grinding

[balmy condor]

Your moms plump ass

[ebon notch]

You're too young and too camp to make these comments

[balmy condor]

She said she likes femboys and also be home by 12

[ebon notch]

XD

Well played

[oak sky]

didnt i actually send something at 3am

[balmy condor]

Don’t know don’t care didn’t ask

[oak sky]

[thin trout]

we don't want to 'refresh' the last garrote/rupture we cast when vendetta do we? only when it falls off

with 4 set

[oak sky]

yeah

it keeps the effect

[timid cloud]

[subtle tundra]

Wait did they really buff destroy and ele dmg

Like flat

I'm a bit confused

[bleak sky]

[zinc frost]

Outlaw fixed too

[subtle tundra]

weird

the class doing 30k overalls

got buffed

by a flat %, not even just ST or something

[zinc frost]

Now they can do 35k 🙃

[bleak sky]

they needed help varas

you don't understand it

[subtle tundra]

its ok, assa doesnt need m+ help
if you play it perfectly maybe you outdps the tank

[bleak sky]

that's the spirit

[zinc frost]

That’s hard copium man, lucky to do tank damage

[bleak sky]

imagine doing bear damage

[zinc frost]

Guardian druids just doing 22k overall no tuning needed

[bleak sky]

[timid cloud]

[subtle tundra]

i still cant comprehend how they can buff ele and destro by a flat % when they are both so good in m+

[gusty mirage]

depends, is it a guardian druid or naw?

[subtle tundra]

prot pala too

[gusty mirage]

haven't had the pleasure to do a key with a prot pally w/ 4pc yet

[clear finch]

ran M+ with a pally and a druid with 4p and it was insane the dam

(two seperate dungs)

[zinc frost]

All I can say is, it’s nice knowing your above the healer at the end

[gusty mirage]

why even bother

just run em together

they do enough damage

[clear finch]

lmfao

[subtle tundra]

yea, cause they have to heal and do bad ST

if they didnt have to heal, they'd be kinda close to us

(resto)

on aoe resto does assa dps

or assa does resto dps on aoe

[zinc frost]

It’s okay tho because I know for sure my silenced garrotes are worth it

[subtle tundra]

yea, tank really appreciates the dr for 6 seconds

[gusty mirage]

I love going through a 30 minute dungeon and getting like 0 procs on the sub 4pc for the first half

then one pull I get 8 in a row

very satisfying

[subtle tundra]

i need to play some assa and dos and do full aoe, compare my dmg overall to sub

see if i beat it

[gusty mirage]

roll the bones

dos pull w/ procs and w/o procs

w/o? I think assa wins easily

[subtle tundra]

and remember, on sub i funnel every pack this week except ardenweald

i've been doing ~19k dps on sub with omegafunneling

if i go assa and full aoe i doubt i do 19k

[zinc frost]

With 4pc do you prefer venth or necro assa?

[subtle tundra]

havent played enough yet

i aint got time to troll pugs

i only played with premade so i was sub prison

except for a plaguefall

cause we needed necro

[zinc frost]

Getting full CP from a single SBS is so nice, just wish the dam was there

[subtle tundra]

yep

sums it up pretty well

wish the dam was there

busting my nuts off, maybe 25k dps in a pack

it would be ok to not have any burst if the consistant dmg was high...

[zinc frost]

Next tier for sure..

[jaunty crystal]

need to bring back EB/SS sin rogue

[bleak sky]

i hate the tier set in raid

but M+ tho

THIS SHIT SLAPS

[gusty mirage]

we’ll be top dps soon or get utility don’t worry

Next tier for sure this time

[zinc frost]

The year is 2025, sin is the king of mythic plus, we press 2 buttons, Guy starts malding because he has to play 2 button sin spec. It’s a good year

[timid cloud]

Yeah. Totally won’t be another Castle Nathria where we have to wait until .5 to get buffs to make us relevant.

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

Don’t worry this time they’ll give us a 64% aura buff

We’ll do the same shit we’ve done for the last decade

But with bigger numbers

[timid cloud]

HUGE NUMBA

[gusty mirage]

And we’ll still suck in m+

[timid cloud]

Yeah, we’ll be the one utility that matters.

[gusty mirage]

Because fan of knives will still give 1cp in 2025

[timid cloud]

Boss die.

[alpine radish]

Actually depressing how low sin dps is in keys

Do lime 15k ovr on my demo lock with 2 set and barely get over 11 on rogue

[zinc frost]

Just want us to pump in keys so we can get more banger videos like this

https://youtu.be/6-wINzrcgMM

[alpine radish]

😂

[timid cloud]

A CLASSIC.

[alpine radish]

Why fan doesnt work like shuriken storm is a joke with cp

Like sin would be op with 5cp on fan everytime haha

[timid cloud]

Remember when Garrote used to be 90% of our damage & actually give us combo points to make us have smooth silky rotation? Pepperidge Farms Remembers.