since there are a lot of cleave fights in this tier
#assassination
agile geode
limber lion
Sure
balmy condor
You want to refresh right before vendetta ends to get overhang
rapid forum
i guess that also aplies for non venthyr covernants?
agile geode
and CT on st always right?
balmy condor
i guess that also aplies for non venthyr covernants?
Yep
agile geode
i guess that also aplies for non venthyr covernants?
imho nfae remains good but it is a sort of "buff" for venthyr
red plaza
You want to refresh right before vendetta ends to get overhang
Gotcha. And then let them tick out as much as you can? Since if you pandemic refresh outside of vendetta it loses the haste snapshot?
slow marsh
ye
red plaza
Ty all 🙂
keen aurora
Wait necro doesn't CT on ST?
tame stump
i.e. venth - always take CT. necro - take CT if needed for the encounter (e.g. lords of dread)
as necro - you use it if you have it
that's it
or at least how i understand whispyr's and the others' explanations
keen aurora
Gotcha thanks for clarification
balmy condor
Every covenant uses CT single target
Venthyr talents into it for single target
The rest stick with poison bomb
wide ridge
all true
subtle tundra
give me toxic blade back
wide ridge
give me kingsbane back
subtle tundra
remove poison bomb
somber hill
kingsbane so based
gentle gyro
hell yeah give me legion rogue back
delicate smelt
Should i stay Venth for single target with 2/4 set?
spice spire
remove poison bomb
Most based take humanly possible
wide ridge
surely they'll make changes to our talent rows in 10.0 right
subtle tundra
surely they will use the time gained from recycling content on good features and reworks
wide ridge
with 4th season being announced we may be 1year away from 10.0
slow marsh
Just finished like 8 guild apps about to eat dino nuggies for the 3rd day in a row. Life is good man. Just remove poison bomb and it's a dream come true
hollow river
Just finished like 8 guild apps about to eat dino nuggies for the 3rd day in a r...
Pog what wr are you shooting for
spice spire
Just finished like 8 guild apps about to eat dino nuggies for the 3rd day in a r...
Is this an insinuation?
balmy condor
Is this an insinuation?
Loktark sweating
fleet anchor
Just bring back Vanilla talent trees is all I’m hearing
balmy condor
Just bring back Vanilla talent trees is all I’m hearing
Path of exile passive tree in wow
fleet anchor
Current talent system is really not doing a great job though for sure
hollow river
Path of exile passive tree in wow
Yes
obtuse robin
that fan made talent tree in wowhead like 2 weeks back looked intresting
loud light
"engagement metrics say people talked a lot about hunger for blood, let's bring that back"
slow marsh
Pog what wr are you shooting for
I'd like to stay top 500 wr but I know i'll probs have to drop down since private logs
- only looking at 2 day guilds so
hollow river
I'd like to stay top 500 wr but I know i'll probs have to drop down since privat...
Your SoD parses aren’t priv tho are they
slow marsh
Na
hollow river
Those should be a decent representation
slow marsh
Most are public up until my Sylv kill + farm with current guild. Yeah i'm not really worried about it
I also posted screenshots of recent prog kills on all my apps so that should help
hollow river
Yea maybe
cerulean nest
whats the best way to sim for Lords?
hollow river
whats the best way to sim for Lords?
2t patchwerk
spice spire
Loktark sweating
Dino nuggies tryna recruit the infinity gauntlet of rogue OTPs
warm sable
is this new ST rotation with MFD and CT rly that good
spice spire
Yes
warm sable
and what double lege are we using Unity and Dask?
slow marsh
Dino nuggies tryna recruit the infinity gauntlet of rogue OTPs
Kek I meant actual dino nuggies bro i didn't even know they were a guild name
spice spire
Yep, check pins
warm sable
i did i dont see lege
balmy condor
Kek I meant actual dino nuggies bro i didn't even know they were a guild name
Renamed blood legion
spice spire
Here
slow marsh
I see
warm sable
ou ty
spice spire
Any time 
slow marsh
wait lok is a dobby gobby wut
verbal radish
This is likely a noob question, but I read about snapshotting, and I have some confusion about it. Is it implying that if haste is snapshotted, it will persist as long as the bleed is maintained through pandemic? Even outside of vendetta? Or does it expire when original duration expires. Did my question even make sense?
oak sky
Just finished like 8 guild apps about to eat dino nuggies for the 3rd day in a r...
8 guild apps.... might need to try that today
warm sable
comparing to sub how this vent new ST doing ?
warm sable
nice
hollow river
For me Venthyr sin still sims like 500-600 dps behind sub
oak sky
And you got your 4p
hollow river
Mhmm
slow marsh
Do you have a new dagger yet
hollow river
Yeah only 265 tho
gusty adder
oak sky
Necro gives you infinite kevin
slow marsh
You're right it's 350
hollow river
You're right it's 350
Oddly specific must be talking about your profile specifically hmmmmm
uneven hamlet
for me assa is ahead of sub venth by 300ish dps, and 500 behind sub kyr
slow marsh
either way. sub still gonna be stronger this early. once people start getting more specific gear it'll even out as expected
uneven hamlet
I was playing sub venth on st so for me is a ez change
slow marsh
Everyone knew sub was gonna be the early prog spec so it's nbd to me. I'm just glad we're starting to have options
hollow river
for me assa is ahead of sub venth by 300ish dps, and 500 behind sub kyr
Sounds like your gear is not sub optimized or something then
Or you don’t have mythic Sylv daggers maybe
uneven hamlet
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xy6RjP3qW7TDzER4Fb2rJu got unlucky with drops maybe
hollow river
Still using Faulty 
uneven hamlet
I swear I tried to drop a trinket
balmy condor
Still using Faulty <:monkaS:585734084014374922>
It’s not his faulty that he doesn’t get better trinkets
uneven hamlet
none came to me 
balmy condor
sour wraith
balmy condor
Why not both?
limber lion
LP > WPS everywhere with tier
cerulean nest
2pc for me
balmy condor
LP > WPS everywhere with tier
warm sable
do we prio raptura and garot over CT ?
balmy condor
do we prio raptura and garot over CT ?
Yes
woeful wigeon
@balmy condor is there a way to make castsequance macro for garotte Fok Fok CTswap target garotte Fok Fok Envenom someting like that
balmy condor
Maybe it’s a haste thing with tick rate now that I’m thinking about it
My sin gear still has like 0
warm sable
because i see on text do we even reapply CT or only in Flag back ?
limber lion
Since when is LP better
Idk, LP has been better for me since the day I got 2p
for every covenant
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> is there a way to make castsequance macro for garott...
I’m sure there is but reading that made my eyes bleed please don’t do that
brazen zodiac
Idk, LP has been better for me since the day I got 2p
same
cerulean nest
do you FoK during swarm phases? or just keep mutilating
balmy condor
do you FoK during swarm phases? or just keep mutilating
Mut
cerulean nest
sweet
woeful wigeon
i got 36pocent haste have almost no energie trobs on spamming in aoe packs
balmy condor
Idk, LP has been better for me since the day I got 2p
It’s not even winning with 4 piece for me
limber lion
It’s not even winning with 4 piece for me
ripperino
balmy condor
I assume just a haste thing
limber lion
yuuup
slow marsh
true
balmy condor
Cause I always forget to fleshcraft
warm sable
what is LP ?
cerulean nest
last question boyos. opener on two targets with 2pc. double garrote, double SBS, rupture and CT THEN shiv+envenom etc.?
balmy condor
what is LP ?
Lethal poisons
limber lion
Cause I always forget to fleshcraft
Same, only press it before pulling, never during the fight
well, unless there's an intermission where you're just standing
might as well
balmy condor
last question boyos. opener on two targets with 2pc. double garrote, double SBS,...
Gar sbs gar snd sbs
cerulean nest
ty
with vanish + extra garrotes?
or just use that to refresh first garrotes
after they fall off
balmy condor
Refresh the first
cerulean nest
where are the first garrotes at by the time you do all of the above ^
balmy condor
No clue
cerulean nest
just wondering if it'll be a vanish+ gar in the middle of shiv
or if i'll have full shiv time to slam for awhile
balmy condor
Should be towards the end
warm sable
Gar sbs gar snd sbs
dont you get str8 away double SbS ? with 2nd lege ?
balmy condor
If my head math is good
balmy condor
dont you get str8 away double SbS ? with 2nd lege ?
And waste the subterfuge? Yeah good one
cerulean nest
thanks whisp
subtle tundra
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qKFvcC3nMQfa1T2qdH9VdM
your gear is illegal
i sim 14.2 bruv
balmy condor
Just swap to sub
balmy condor
Your gear sucks
subtle tundra
it fucking does
warm sable
And waste the subterfuge? Yeah good one
you dont lose it you get gar sbs gar (no need for 2nd sbs because it will jump on 2nd target right ?)
balmy condor
you dont lose it you get gar sbs gar (no need for 2nd sbs because it will jump o...
Oh I thought you meant gar sbs sbs, yeah it jumps to both
warm sable
Oh I thought you meant gar sbs sbs, yeah it jumps to both
not that ^green^ hehehe 🙂
subtle tundra
the sigil that dropped on hc went to mage instead of me 😠
balmy condor
still rocking KT neck as well
How much did you pay push for the funnel
limber lion
How much did you pay push for the funnel
hey I just gave Push a 278 weapon
And he doesn't even use it
@faint harness
spice spire
Mans not even unethical sub main dagger swap tech
limber lion
he fixed it.
faint harness
spice spire
When people complain about our dark techs I remember sub exists 
warm sable
one stupid question i know dont say just sim it xD stats like before crit haste
oak sky
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qKFvcC3nMQfa1T2qdH9VdM
You live a life of luxury
subtle tundra
i drop it now on mythic
nvm it didnt drop
warm sable
one stupid question i know dont say just sim it xD stats like before crit haste
on lege
vestal wren
timid cloud
ebon notch
gettin envenom parried is actually so good
you still get snd duration
but can spend the cp on something that actually does damage
limber lion
Just switch to a warrior
subtle tundra
wat
limber lion
Or a caster 
subtle tundra
29% crit
hollow river
23 stackers
With mfd?
limber lion
it is what it is
hollow river
That’s rough lmao
hollow river
Yeah
umbral rapids
doesn't line up i guess
umbral rapids
duh
subtle tundra
yea holding vendetta feelsbadman with duskies
oak sky
No its fine bro less stacks means less haste means less energy gained means less energy spent means it lines up better
Just trust me
subtle tundra
that means having to play pvp...
craggy oak
with venth sin now, how long can i hold shiv for, so it lines up with ven+flag
hollow river
subtle tundra
with venth sin now, how long can i hold shiv for, so it lines up with ven+flag
idk if its right but i send it so i can get in vendeta
hollow river
Pretty sure you want shiv in every vendetta
We used to hold shiv up to 12 seconds for Vend. Cev said we can sync a bit more aggressively now iirc
craggy oak
would be nice to see a sim where we hold shiv, up to x secs vs hit taht shit on cd
hollow river
Anything over 12 seconds though I think you can send it still
Because it’ll be back up to buff the last 9 seconds of Vendetta
glass tulip
4 kc phial 
craggy oak
ight nice one, ty
strange python
how much dps gain is 4p relatively
limber lion
1ksomething
azure wharf
I have a group with 5 people about to go SOD on hc, dm comcomjr for invite
glass tulip
why would anyone go back into sod 
azure wharf
pretty sure bis weapon is there?
glass tulip
for assassin mythic sylv dagger gets replaced by heroic junk
strange python
good
hollow river
bro this new item that lets you buy soul cinders for flux
that's some good shit right there
glass tulip
which item :o
viscid spear
Shame it isn't BoA
limber lion
Love to see some people pumping logs as Venthyr
and even using the correct opener that's only mentioned in the pins and not in the actual sims
People actually read the discord poggiewoggi
ee
uneven hamlet
If I get in to sausage today I will use it assa hype
uneven hamlet
sub kyr brain hurts
oak sky
Lolae picking up all the free rank 1's
I swear man once the head or shoulders show up its free real estate at the top
oak sky
I really need to get some logs in before externals start eating everything up
limber lion
Same
Gotta clear the entire raid before I can start public logging
and then it'll be too late
oak sky
tough times
limber lion
it doesn't get any easier
next dune
Does sepsis proc subterfuge?
zinc frost
Does sepsis proc subterfuge?
Nope
next dune
well aint that some shit. ok thanks man
limber lion
the reference log for lihuvim has sub rogue
reference log?
limber lion
I don't understand the sentence
subtle tundra
we have a log from another guild to see what we should do
like cd usages, movement etc
limber lion
Ah right okay yeh
But is it a bad thing the reference log has a sub rogue in it
I don't get that
Or is it a good thing
subtle tundra
the sub rogue uses blades on add and goes back to boss with minimal dps loss
i vendetta add and my dmg is shit on boss
- flag
limber lion
Like this is what your boss damage will look like
if you just send cds on boss
as you should
You'll do like 30k more damage on adds if you use everything on it
super not worth
subtle tundra
we have 1 pull on lihuvim
limber lion
our rl wanted everyone to use cds on adds and potion
subtle tundra
not that far yet
hidden pasture
couldnt find in pins but for m+ do we use zoldyk or duskwalkers
spice spire
3% more uptime on boss? 
kind talon
@limber lion was push playing venthyr nado
slow marsh
faq
mortal pike
@limber lion I was promised skolex damage today, where is it
limber lion
<@!165215952479322112> was push playing venthyr nado
on what?
scenic kelp
gracias
kind talon
Interesting
kind talon
Damn
mortal pike
hmmm
limber lion
Like only 14.3k, actually played like trash and had the worst fight length
Improved our previous time by over a minute
mortal pike
Whats your kill time?
scenic kelp
if i dont get crit or haste tea should i run nadjia then? 😄
limber lion
4:42
limber lion
if i dont get crit or haste tea should i run nadjia then? 😄
Sure
indigo mulch
Really? 😮
slow marsh
vers is fine too
slow marsh
basically just if you get agi. at least for me
scenic kelp
for me its fine to stay theotar say sims o0
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6yYDuFVXNZ8UaeETbLVM32
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qeRerKZDqPruXd3Yeaupg5
limber lion
Yeh you can stay Theotar, but you have to note that the sim assumes you get 100% value from the mastery umbrella
scenic kelp
primary says 12080 nadjia sims 12047
limber lion
Which won't happen
Nadja in this raid is much more flexible than it was in the previous one
scenic kelp
ah okay dont think about that 😄 ty!
mortal pike
What's your crimson tempest uptime on an optimal pull cev? feel like mines high for some reason
bleak sky
cev 100% uptime on all bleeds
limber lion
It's just a filler ability that you press when you have nothing else to press
Sometimes you get more uptime on it, sometimes less
Depends on a bunch of things
mortal pike
hmm
was just compairing my log to the current rank 1 skolex at like 14.7 and their uptime is like
low 60s
Is it not meant to be kept up like every other bleed?
limber lion
on lihuvim?
no..........
slow marsh
rank 1s right now are a bit sus don't trust them
bleak sky
skolex
slow marsh
@mortal pike
subtle tundra
i tried reading that convo and i misread!
limber lion
Either is fine
Dusk is more prio, obviously more worth it if you can use it much more often on good prio targets, not so much if you can't get full value off it or forced to hold it too much
But yeh, I should have played IQD on Skolex because our killtimer is scuffed now
mortal pike
I passed up 278 iqd first week 
marsh fjord
I kinda came back since early SL does sin not use vigor anymore?
slow marsh
all good i'll get mythic cache on our xymox kill tonight 
lone junco
What kind of EP uptime are people getting for ST? Is 80% attainable?
lone junco
Dude I hate iqd and I would’ve taken one over tier
The healer mana was super troll.
hollow river
The healer mana was super troll.
I agree I hate the trinket but 278 trinkets are big
lone junco
You shouldn't look at it
It's mostly a function of crit. Just wondering where people are at these days. My gear is extremely pvp. So it's extremely heavy verse.
lone junco
I agree I hate the trinket but 278 trinkets are big
For sure. The 5min verse is kinda awkward. But at least that is opener and 6min vanish. Ish.
limber lion
It's mostly a function of crit. Just wondering where people are at these days. ...
That's another thing
lone junco
5min is hard to line up for sub. Assassin is nice.
limber lion
you shouldn't look at stats either lol
All of this is just unnecessary bloat
stats
ep uptime
ct uptime
ebon notch
what about envenom buff uptime 
lone junco
Let me guess, you don't care if I refresh rupture during shiv. 🤔
lone junco
Does simply things.
limber lion
in fact currently you want to do that
you don't need to play around shiv windows at all
even less than before
ebon notch
shiv dead 🦀
limber lion
Eh
hollow river
Imagine refreshing dots during Vendetta. Couldn’t be me.
ebon notch
Imagine refreshing dots during Vendetta. Couldn’t be me.
i prefer to let them just run out
its natures way
hollow river
I’m about that instant damage during the burst window. #envenomgang
lone junco
I'm playing MA at the moment.
lone junco
But all the muscle memory is still there.
limber lion
Hell nah
lone junco
Mine is hitting 25k ish.
slow marsh
instead people prefer to sslam wet noodles over and over with a 30% dam buff and think they're doing something
limber lion
We play a dot spec
ebon notch
bruh bring back SOD 25k envenom crits in opener
limber lion
and you want a big finisher that does mega damage
slow marsh
ye it doesn't work lmao i tried to get it to sim well already
hollow river
Remember when Cev broke raidbots with exsang?
slow marsh
na it's just that vanish is 2min cd
slow marsh
and everything else is 1min
lone junco
That's not a problem.
slow marsh
sure it is
ebon notch
Remember when Cev broke raidbots with exsang?
what happened
slow marsh
yeah but if your whole build revolves around vanish it doesn't work (NS)
limber lion
Good times
lone junco
But NS rupture ticks were too big.
limber lion
Had multiple people dm'ing and asking me for the secret sauce
because they thought we suddenly do like 15k more dps than anyone else
hollow river
what happened
He had 4p 2 leggo with exsang simming for like over 9000
Like over 18k PTR sims
lone junco
My fav bug was DP snapshotting NS for it's entire duration.
So you would stealth open with knife.
ebon notch
He had 4p 2 leggo with exsang simming for like over 9000
9000 dps?
slow marsh
I believe DP still snaps on NS
slow marsh
It just doesn't do damage
hollow river
lone junco
Not for the entire fight.
ebon notch
lolae has rygelon weapon
im jealous
thats why i havent been able to beat his parse
compact atlas
With new tech we go CT for ST too? 
hollow river
Yeah
soft merlin
@limber lion you play venth or necro on Lihuvim?
slow marsh
lolae has rygelon weapon
i got a 272 daggie with first week upgrades fam you trippin if you think that's the problem
limber lion
<@!165215952479322112> you play venth or necro on Lihuvim?
Venth
slow marsh
you kinda can just go venth for everything now
limber lion
With new tech we go CT for ST too? <:peepostudy:585733927562641408>
As Venthyr, yes
ebon notch
i got a 272 daggie with first week upgrades fam you trippin if you think that's ...
still sims 200 dps increase
2 272 is more big than 1 272
limber lion
i thought it was a necro fight
Really depends on what you want to do
I was just going for full on boss damage
And Venthyr definitely has Necro beat in that department there
No public Assa parses again, which means that my private parse will never lock in
indigo mulch
What about sausage though? I kinda want to play necro for sasuage but i just vibe more with venth 😐
slow marsh
good thing venth is better for that fight too
Anywhere that boss damage matters more than add damage, venth will be better than necro
outside of pantheon
ebon notch
No public Assa parses again, which means that my private parse will never lock i...
my rank 1 on skolex timed out
big sad
ebon notch
ye just before it locked in
limber lion
ripperino
ebon notch
when do they lock in even
lone junco
Venthyr ok for assassin keys?
limber lion
like mid day for EU
pure moth
Yeah i got a 99, and it fell to 98 before locking in
limber lion
so after NA raid
ebon notch
i kept my sausage rank 1 tho which is smth
limber lion
so you can get a parse on tuesday, NA wakes up and does it with wednesday vault loot
then they get a better parse
and you lose it
and it locks soon after
lone junco
Probably going to run unity + zoldyk. (Haven't made it yet). Or the vendetta one.
I do like sepsis tho.
Sub has not been that good to me. Idk why, but my black powder isn't going over 18-20k.
soft merlin
Cev, you play WPS or PK on Pantheon?
bleak sky
pk is a worthless conduit
ebon notch
and it locks soon after
NA gets all the good shit
slow marsh
dang bro Cev are you the only one in here who plays sin or something
I feel like you're the only one people ask
bleak sky
you jelly
warm sable
so how many avrg flag stacks you get in opener guys ?>
soft merlin
Iceblades, mb bro
slow marsh
na i'm chillin i'd rather answer random questions than always have them directed to me ya feel
soft merlin
😄
bleak sky
i enjoy answering the "what stats to we craft leggo"
slow marsh
na dude it's the "so venth is better than NF now?" for me
ebon notch
na dude it's the "so venth is better than NF now?" for me
do we use CT??
indigo mulch
@slow marsh What legendary do i craft for 2 leggos if i play Kyrian sin?
limber lion
Cev, you play WPS or PK on Pantheon?
I honestly should play PK, but yeh LP/WPS/SF
slow marsh
So we use CT in ST? Do we use it inside of shiv or outside only? Should I press my buttons or na
ebon notch
So we use CT in ST? Do we use it inside of shiv or outside only? Should I press ...
press flag and vendetta and walk away
the tech will do the rest
hollow river
Bro HIDDEN BLADES IS THE REAL TECH
ebon notch
whats a hidden blade
slow marsh
something bannable tbh
bleak sky
it's a blade you can't see
warm sable
hahahaha
slow marsh
it's a blade you can't see
can't see it on the meters either
bleak sky
slow marsh
imagine if HB stacked up then lost 2 stacks per use instead of all of them
It would maybe be a real talent
warm sable
how many hast stacks you get in general on flag ?
limber lion
how many hast stacks you get in general on flag ?
69
slow marsh
30 baby i'm a real gamer
hollow river
77
slow marsh
I only get 30 stacks, never 29. My MA always crits 5 cps
ebon notch
i remember when i once claimed i never got less than 30 stacks
and cev went through my logs and proved me wrong
in 5 seconds
im pretty sure he had them open
limber lion
slow marsh
Yeah I'm wondering if you get PI during Flag if you can get perma 30 stacks
ebon notch
Yeah I'm wondering if you get PI during Flag if you can get perma 30 stacks
unethecal 
oak sky
you never get more than 3 cause you die on opener
my flag gets parried and then i jump off, sue me
ebon notch
L + Ratio + the boss killed you
oak sky
Yeah I'm wondering if you get PI during Flag if you can get perma 30 stacks
doubt, if its always synced with vend you should be energy capped every time anyways
slow marsh
But it's not
i mean it is
but you have like 2-3 globals of not
that's the whole point of the tech
hollow river
Imagine if 4p gave us .2sec shorter GCDs
the cinders item still isn't on the vendor on my shard
no dusk sin option for sausage tn
ebon notch
the cinders item still isn't on the vendor on my shard
wdym
the one that lets you send to other characters or
slow marsh
4p + venth puts us in same category as demo locks for PI targets btw
ebon notch
4p + venth puts us in same category as demo locks for PI targets btw
gimme proof rn
so i can yoink it
the locks in my guild deserve to be punished after what they put us through on pantheon
slow marsh
sec i gotta resim with different lockj timing
slow marsh
jk my lock is trolling with the wrong leggo false alarm
ebon notch
jk my lock is trolling with the wrong leggo false alarm
lemme see the numbers you got for rogue
slow marsh
from 14,394 to 15,184 so like 800 dps
limber lion
4p + venth puts us in same category as demo locks for PI targets btw
I doubt it
Our locks are getting 1800 dps from PI
slow marsh
ye my lock trolled me he was using the wrong leggo
marsh fjord
Guys if i wanted to both main sin and sub would venthyr be best then?
marsh fjord
oh wait
i forgot
it's been a while you can swap now right.
i stopped playing when i CE CN
slow marsh
set yoiur hearth to haven you can swap + change conduits in 2mins or less
marsh fjord
is the swap unlimited now?
limber lion
yes
marsh fjord
Ah cool thanks
warm sable
I only get 30 stacks, never 29. My MA always crits 5 cps
ok i get like 28 with Vanish ... without Vanish 20 ...
slow marsh
ye i was trolling
strange silo
what tea does theotar sim with if u just have him as soulbind?
warm sable
Haste 3%
slow marsh
vers is -7 for me then crit is like +20 then haste + 50
strange silo
i assume there is a way to sim the value of the teas?
slow marsh
there's a line for it to copy paste into advanced sim to see your split, then you can plug that line into top gear if you are a reroller
strange silo
ah ok so i just post the line in advanced and it shows all 4 values? or do i just import the thing that comes out of the advanced sim?
pure moth
take your /simc and underneath that copy the tea thing from the FAQ. then run your sim
bleak sky
oh ok damn all expect haste is dps loss xd
post your sim
limber lion
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ktYpMEzFqVdqxkmoyuf8Vk
thank you for your simulation.
not entirely sure what's the reasoning behind it
but that's a cool sim
strange silo
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2igUVaMBC4MCEHeewQ9FFX
i hope i did it right raidbots is still witchcraft for me tbh xd
slow marsh
he's showing off his vaulted soleah's
slow marsh
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2igUVaMBC4MCEHeewQ9FFX
i hope i did it ri...
yep you did
limber lion
I think the tea-profileset string could be improved by having people do the sim with Nadja as their soulbind
and the profileset changes it to Theotar
so you get an instant comparison between the two with all tea choices
kindred heron
Cev why did u end up making waist? or was it arbitrary
slow marsh
imo unity should go wherever it's most efficient for you
limber lion
Cev why did u end up making waist? or was it arbitrary
It was the best slot for my profile. A head was the biggest gain overall, but that was because it came with a socket compared to my current helm which does not have a socket and it was under the assumption that I get tier shoulders
Eventually if I get a jailer belt in 10 years, I would make another Unity on a different slot depending on my situation then
kindred heron
got it, makes sense ty
limber lion
and the profileset changes it to Theotar
Nevermind, this wouldn't work because it would assume specific conduit levels.
ebon notch
btw is there a way to force raidbots to differentiate between the teas?
slow marsh
ye
ebon notch
cause rn it averages them out no?
slow marsh
like in topgear i assume?
ebon notch
ye
slow marsh
ye put this in the custom apl box at the bottom
shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste
swap haste for crit or whatever
limber lion
I've heard the mastery tea is the best
hollow escarp
can confirm
ebon notch
nah what i mean is
is there any way to get it integrated
like the soleah trinket
or iqd or smth
limber lion
wat
slow marsh
just put the line in the custom apl box at the bottom of top gear. not a big deal
ebon notch
no i understand that
but how would you go about integrating it in the UI like those other things
limber lion
No, you cannot sim between all 4 teas in Top Gear
sinful citrus
is there a way to sim not getting the tectonic weak points? my raid has so many melee i cant see them lol
limber lion
But you don't have to
because haste is super bis
and you want it everytime
so just sim haste tea
ebon notch
i think im not communicating what im saying properly
would you have to ask raidbots developers to add it here
limber lion
There is no way to get it integrated so you could sim them like you would any other conduit or item
ebon notch
ah ok
limber lion
Oh I mean yeah
Serialos could add a drop down there
but because it's specific to Venthyr, it's not happening
ebon notch
ok
limber lion
and even more specific to one single soulbind
but what does it matter
just use the custom apl
everyone does
ebon notch
was just asking :<
oak pulsar
does the haste from PI also need to be snapshotted for maximum dps, IE you need to be PI'd before vendetta goes up like flag?
limber lion
Sure
brazen zodiac
hey cev, does the opener look right so far here? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Qr2Nxah7XZJGH194#fight=46&type=casts&source=55&view=timeline
i feel like i cant get any envenoms in lol
brazen zodiac
ahhh ok
feels nice not slammin envenoms
i want to reapply the bleed instantly once its in pandemic, esp during vendetta?
limber lion
always
brazen zodiac
c:
peak bobcat
can someone link Cev's plater?
peak bobcat
ty
kindred dune
hey @limber lion I'm using your plater profile and adjusted the SBS spell as you mentioned that nameplates turn green whenever I use rupture on one. however its not working anymore and I'm wondering why
just swapped SBS with Rupture, worked before like a charm 😦
kindred dune
damn, any idea how to fix that?
brazen zodiac
hi whisp
balmy condor
damn, any idea how to fix that?
downgrade your plater version I guess
weak plover
Any acquired sword enjoyers with the vendetta snapshotting?
misty holly
I have a question Whispyr, is social butterfly simmed to include the vers your friends get?
I guess for the recommendation of taking third potency instead of that.
kindred dune
ah strange it worked now, I updated plater again and re-imported
ah no it doesnt, just with SBS it worked once, wtf, I dont get it haha
balmy condor
I have a question Whispyr, is social butterfly simmed to include the vers your f...
no, because when you sim yourself you don't sim your friends
same thing with LBE
misty holly
ok I understand that.
but for the recommendation have you considered the 1% vers your friends get
balmy condor
yes
misty holly
kk
kindred dune
ah I fixed it, had to remove pandemic glow script (for anyone who has the same issue)
for rupture
lunar otter
damn necro assa dslice sims higher than my sub oh well i will be a assman 4lyfwe
bleak sky
can you link both?
granite horizon
On pantheon do I want Haste or Crit bleed from CAT trinket?
Necrolord Zoldycks subterfuge posion bomb for talents if it matters
bleak sky
Necrolord Zoldycks subterfuge posion bomb for talents if it matters
poison bomb you're trolling
zinc frost
Yeah definitely don’t go PB for that lmao
zinc frost
Were you simming patchwerk?
zinc frost
fleet whale
so what is your main assassin wish for 10.0?
granite horizon
he was simming at home
insert ___ at home meme
balmy condor
talent reworks
granite horizon
Better talents for sure
fleet whale
yes, that is my number 1 wish as well
granite horizon
Make alacrity baseline or rework it
zinc frost
Baseline CT, rework FoK for better CP generation - damage etc
balmy condor
whole alacrity row needs to go
bleak sky
where's that pantheon PB sim boi
balmy condor
whole CT row needs to go with CT baseline
granite horizon
It was from last week
fleet whale
this is a minor thing, but CT could use an animation update as well
remove snd, replace it with a more engaging finisher
granite horizon
On pantheon do I want Haste or Crit bleed from CAT trinket?
I assume the nutty value of the crit bleed still wins on panth
balmy condor
always bleed
granite horizon
Figured
balmy condor
need lust + venth for sword to win
and it barely wins in that situation
would have to line up like that too
granite horizon
Fair enough
exotic salmon
dawn ivy
bleak sky
no tier, venth without mfd
mortal pike
dwarf best race 
clever kindle
so what is your main assassin wish for 10.0?
talent wheel
would be nice to see some abilities from previous expacs make a return but you can choose from a set of them
slow marsh
Not even that tho. Juat clean up what we have now
I didn't play in the mop-bfa timeline so I missed a ton of good rogue stuff but like functionally rogue worked better baseline during wrath than it does now iirc
Seems like they got too into the gimmicky flavor stuff and forgot that rupture should probably do damage baseline without having to have 2 layers of power to make it do real damage
fleet whale
im going to be honest with you, but assassin hasn't really changed much since like cata
which is another problem in itself, the spec has become a bit stale imo
slow marsh
Yeah idk
fleet whale
a sort of radical change i have in my mind is to actually have garrote as a stealth only ability again
and not a primary ability in our rotation
slow marsh
Someone who actually plays the class and knows how bad it can feel sometimes needs to actually revamp it instead of just assuming Hidden blades is a good idea
fleet whale
yeah idk how that got past the drawing board
our "ultimate" talent row is pathetic
even if CT is good, it's still a pathetic row
fleet whale
it's sad that there isn't really a single exciting talent in our talent tree
like blindside is sort of nice, but it's not even that good anymore
and that's like the first talent
slow marsh
I mean the most exciting row is vigor/DS/mfd
fleet whale
i would say while sub and outlaws trees suck as well, they are quite a bit better than assassin's imo
that's how bad assassin's tree is to me
slow marsh
You could maybe argue NS/Subt/MA but MA sucks and you can't really do anything with NS to make it worth
fleet whale
assassin makes up for it with the leggos... which will all be gone in 10.0
slow marsh
Sin leggos are snoozer
fleet whale
at least we have options
slow marsh
Dusk is only interesting because tier designer specifically wanted us to play dusk
And even then it's not that interesting as venthyr cuz you hold for 10-20s waiting for flag so it's just wasted
There aren't any options after 4p.
You play dusk
fallen raven
i don't mind ns existing for the speed increase for soloing but it doesn't really justify itself other than that
slow marsh
I mean I'm having fun with this venthyr CT abomination just because it's at least kind of interactive and def more fast paced but the most fun I've had this xpac has to be playing MA leggo with NS MfD CT in m+
I might even troll some 15s with that at some point this patch just because
kindred crescent
slow marsh
Do a 16
fleet whale
you just need one point
marble hemlock
I mean I'm having fun with this venthyr CT abomination just because it's at leas...
revoke this mans assa license please.
slow marsh
I mean playing Necro for sire was fun too but yeah
fleet whale
I also wonder if blizz will carry over any of these covenant abilities in 10.0
slow marsh
I hope not
fleet whale
but I'm betting they likely won't
umbral rapids
i'm gonna miss sbs ngl
slow marsh
revoke this mans assa license please.
Think you'd have to do that yourself sir
fleet whale
slight chance ER or Spike gets maybe carried over in a modified way
umbral rapids
ER is meh
fleet whale
Sepsis and Flag def are gone
umbral rapids
ER with legendary is cool
fleet whale
only reason i think ER and Spike have a slight chance of (possibly) returning
umbral rapids
i think there's more chances of conduits coming back baked in or in talents than covenant abilities
marble hemlock
i hope ER gets put into a bin, gasoline poured over it and then set on fire
fleet whale
is that those two abilities somewhat interact with our resources
i don't really like ER either
umbral rapids
i hope ER gets put into a bin, gasoline poured over it and then set on fire
ER with resounding clarity is so much better
slow marsh
It's just as bad lol
marble hemlock
that shouldve never made it past the drawing board, but ultimately serves as a perfect example of everything thats wrong with rogue design this expansion
fleet whale
well, with everyone hating ER
slow marsh
Imagine thinking I've only played one spec kekw
fleet whale
perhaps only spike will come back as a talent lol
slow marsh
Jokes on you I'm a true multi spec gamer
marble hemlock
ER is the perfect example of whoever made it not understanding why its a badly designed ability for a class like rogue, regardless of spec
umbral rapids
I'm joking ice i know you're a sub main now
slow marsh
umbral rapids
echo geyser
ER is the perfect example of whoever made it not understanding why its a badly d...
u mean cause of random cp generation or why
fleet whale
@marble hemlock are you surprised that blizz botched ER? This is the same team that has Dreadlord's deceit as a talent for assassin lol
slow marsh
I think he means cuz it directly benefits two specs
And does literally nothing for the other
umbral rapids
well yeha just like sbs on sub is ... yeah
slow marsh
ER enables sub and outlaw to do things they normally shouldn't be able to do
marble hemlock
its also another builder that deals more damage than finishers, boosts CP efficacy while none of our finishers actually really scale all that well with extra CP anyway, and is just an overall badly designed ability
fleet whale
it was godly in pvp at one point
marble hemlock
ER enables sub and outlaw to do things they normally shouldn't be able to do
like what? its just more CDR. wow.
slow marsh
Oops I just wasted a dance....good thing I can just hit this animacharged cp and up here's another dance mistake covered
fleet whale
for just being a big damage button
marble hemlock
the only reason its remotely valuable is because of the CDR it provides
and CDR is an abomination that should make it out of the game
slow marsh
That's what I mean though
umbral rapids
well yeah
slow marsh
People don't like ER cuz ER they like it because it enables even more cdr for really cheap
umbral rapids
that's exactly what we said
marble hemlock
outlaw can keep it. combat had CDR way before any other class ever got its hands on it, and it was actually working well (cause it wasnt giga RNG either)
marble hemlock
its still a garbage button to press
builders doing more damage than finishers needs to fucking stop
slow marsh
Like even though I know seli hates flag, since it's rework it's been a pretty fine ability in concept
umbral rapids
flag is so boring thoooo
fleet whale
flag is lame to me
marble hemlock
flag is the same lameass shit
fleet whale
it can be an ability for any other class
it's a damage button with a buff attached to it
generates 0 cps
costs 0 energy
umbral rapids
it doesn't interact very well
marble hemlock
how about we dont design class-wide abilities that utilize the energy or cp spending metrics for damage, considering all specs have vastly different amounts of resources generated?
slow marsh
I mean yeah that'd be ideal
marble hemlock
but seeing how rogue has nothing else beyond that
its the only thing theyre left with
i dont mind flag in general. i do mind the haste snapshotting dusk 4pc+flag stuff
cuz it just feels awful to play
slow marsh
Ye the snapshotting is cringe
marble hemlock
and, with obedience, we're once again at cdr
fleet whale
i wouldn't mind if blizz made SBS a baseline ability for sin in 10.0
marble hemlock
basically, we had 2 specs for rogue with CDR
slow marsh
Well remove obedience
marble hemlock
and because people already didnt really like that
we made assa a cdr spec too
awesome.
too bad our cooldowns are all so fucking dogwater
that cdr barely matters
fleet whale
blizz has a history of doing this with rogues it seems
marble hemlock
compared to smth like firemage
slow marsh
I mean if we weren't locked into using a cov leggo we would have some decent combos
marble hemlock
so would everybody else
slow marsh
Our cov leggos just suck
fleet whale
like blizz seems to like to go the CDR well for rogues the past few expansions
slow marsh
Ye
marble hemlock
our legendares suck dick
you think zoldyck+dusk wouldve been great?
sounds nice until you realize how much more broken other classes would be by comparison
marble hemlock
we have no interesting legendaries
beyond dusk
so im somewhat happy dusk is back
slow marsh
But dusk is cdr
marble hemlock
yeah, but at least it has a meaningful impact on teh gameplay
none of the other legendaries do
you still do what youve already been doing, only some of what youre doing will do more damage
fleet whale
well i'm fine if leggos don't really do much to change how you play
my main issue is how assassin is at its baseline
marble hemlock
idk, most legendaries in legion did that
slow marsh
Na I think leggos should change how you play