assassination

[limber lion]

swapping out the x for whatever stat you want; haste, crit, primary or versatility

[ebon tundra]

Thank you very muchly 🙂

[lunar otter]

hey any big m+ assa bonerbois in here can help with some build advice?

[thin imp]

ceverion, which covenant are you killing anduyn, dreads and rygelon with?

[late birch]

I've only got 2 piece but Dusk simming like -20 damage which is so minor anyway but regarding lineups it should be something like
Shiv/flag/vend/vanish
shiv
shiv/flag/vend
shiv
Shiv/flag/vend/vanish

right?

playing mfd too and that should mostly go with shiv casts i believe

[bleak sky]

there's just 1 build really

[limber lion]

Venthyr, Necrolord, Necrolord

[lunar otter]

@bleak sky its to do with marileth 2 potency route gives me 500dps on sims

[bleak sky]

there you go then, marileth it is

[lunar otter]

yeah or triple pot

[limber lion]

You take the thing

that sims 500 dps more

[lunar otter]

yeah fair just scares me havin only 22 potency

lol

*2

[bleak sky]

yeah with all our great conduits

[limber lion]

Why?

Our potencies are shit

Like 2% damage

[bleak sky]

fantastic conduits big damage

[lunar otter]

yeah fair enuf

[celest marlin]

!unity

[prisma monolith]

All slots are close in output.
The best non tier slots across all specs are Belt or Wrists.
The best possible slot is likely Hands, Legs or Head.
Use a simulation to evaluate for your gear situation.

[celest marlin]

What stats Duskwalker?

[bleak sky]

same as all other leggos

[celest marlin]

Crit Verst?

[hollow river]

It definitely has something to do with it

If you lose connection you can just lose said queue because your connection to the page was interrupted lol

[bleak sky]

no

crit haste

[bleak sky]

you can queue a sim, close your browser and open the link 20 min later

[thorn fjord]

RIP the NF dream 😦

[normal mist]

It's not dead

AFAIK still playable and not troll

[hollow river]

I mean I’ve had sims fail because of it

Lol

Have seent it with my own eyes

[shy adder]

do we have any weakauras that point out if our current bleeds on the target are affected by 4piece vendetta?

I use afenars package and it just shows when they will expire not how fast the tick

in a fight it's easy to lose track of the bleeds after vendetta has expired even if they still have the buff

I guess I will get used to them but still

I hope I explained it well 😛

[woeful cipher]

With the haste snapshots are we holding flag/MFD/shiv where possible to lineup with vendetta*?

[spice spire]

It’s right here in the info.
The Tl;dr is yes

[iron orchid]

you pretty much line up evrything every minute i guess, with obed flag cd comes down to approximately 1min, which mean you mfd right before it, and 1 time more between each

you hold vendetta for flag

am i right mister quake ?

[spice spire]

They should line up, especially with duskwalkers, before the 4p not much benefit to playing venthyr, you full send freddy except for MFD with flag.

But I’m assuming this is a question regarding 4p

[iron orchid]

true

[surreal flower]

in aoe would you spam all your serrated bone spike charges instead of fan of knifes?

feels weird having so many charges

[iron orchid]

I have to make sure I'm correct, I am not a pro here anymore

[spice spire]

Soon though mister deirae

[spice spire]

You’d want to spread them. The CP generation from bonespike is wild ngl

[iron orchid]

I'm coming back to rogue but my guild and I barely clear Normal anduin

I was getting tired of enh

[spice spire]

But yeah, use it as your filler to gain CP, and if we’re still living, use fok as your filler

[surreal flower]

so just spike and raptures instead of fok

[spice spire]

Based rogue main

[surreal flower]

maybe press fok once to apply poisons?

[spice spire]

Yep, until you’re out of charges, then yeah

And yeah, still use fok to spread

And remember to spread around to guarantee returns

[surreal flower]

yea yea ofc on different targets

[spice spire]

But yeah looks good

[surreal flower]

it did like 12% of my damage in the first time using it

[thorn fjord]

Where you sitting at with tier now Quake?

[surreal flower]

seems pre strong

dont even have 2pc yet

[iron orchid]

me neither

[spice spire]

3p

[thorn fjord]

Pog tho

[spice spire]

Yeah 2 people got their 4 piece

Which is pretty good

[thorn fjord]

both tanks and 3 healers got 4P in our group

only 2 dps with 4p

feelsbad

[spice spire]

2 dps have 4pc and one tank has 2pc.
Tanks aren’t people

[thorn fjord]

Guardian druid 4p is wild

he's doing so much damage

[sinful cradle]

Balanced

As all things should be

[bleak sky]

was the enhance afk or

[strange silo]

what key is this?

[hollow river]

[sinful cradle]

Think it was a halls?

[keen aurora]

Man with 4 piece I feel like I’m really struggling to keep all bleeds applied during vendetta window. Or if I do, my snd falls off because I have spent all my CP refreshing bleeds

[hollow river]

Never let SnD fall off

You’d let CT fall off and cast Envenom once to keep SnD up

[keen aurora]

Got it

I tried to use Cev's plater WA for pandemic times but it gives me an error loading :/

[limber lion]

Plater has had some updates recently, so I might have to post a new version of it

[indigo mulch]

[leaden talon]

I was worried about this for myself tbh.. unless I missed it somewhere would luv to know the rupture upkeep breakpoints in keys

[limber lion]

Ruptures everywhere, all the time

[keen aurora]

I'm just really not used to running DS, and then extra CP usually means I need 1 more Mut to get to -1

[limber lion]

You usually do either way

because you're more likely to not crit with both hands than you are likely to crit

[strange python]

Feels bad needing 3 builders if you lowroll tho

[keen aurora]

Yeah I'm sure it's doable, just a completely new playstyle I'm not used to yet. I've only run M+ so far with the set so it feels hectic too

Will see how it goes in raid tonight

[limber lion]

Yeh that's super unlikely to happen though

and you can always use garrote/shiv as a filler whenever possible

[strange python]

I feel like I need a 3rd builder in the opener a decent chunk

[limber lion]

In the opener?

[strange python]

For the rupture

[limber lion]

You just press Mutilate twice and always rupture

You don't build to max or anything

[strange python]

Even if you hit 4 with ds?

[limber lion]

Yes

You can apply the very first Rupture at 4cp but making sure to always reapply at 5-6cp after that

wow good sentence cev

ty

had to edit it 3 times

[plain zealot]

Even with 2target (like lords) you start rupture 2nd target AFTER vendetta phase? (if you play venth)?
Im little bit confused about the applying dots in multitarget scenarios 😅

[mortal pike]

What about when trying to squeeze a full refresh in right at the end of the vendetta window

[umbral rapids]

Hey with subterfuge you vanish to reapply garrote in pandemic right ?
After that do you vanish with vendetta and garrote there ? 🤔 playing zoldyck

Oh boy

[limber lion]

Play accordingly

[umbral rapids]

That’s a lot of questions at once lmao

[mortal pike]

MORE QUESTIONS

[limber lion]

Yes you vanish to apply garrotes

and yes you vanish with vendetta

[mortal pike]

also why is rank 2 95th percentile

[limber lion]

All the cool kids are private logging

[mortal pike]

Reasonable

What's your best m skolex pull cev?

[umbral rapids]

Okay at least I know what to do… now to not suck at it

[limber lion]

We're doing it today, I'll let you know after that

[mortal pike]

[gusty mirage]

you calling me uncool?

[limber lion]

But I'm thinking around 16k

[mortal pike]

oh my

[limber lion]

[echo geyser]

Wait 16k st?

[limber lion]

yes

[gusty mirage]

he's playing a different game than the rest of us

idk what it is

he's not human

[drifting cloud]

cev should be banned from posting logs

[echo geyser]

But how, is it just good kill timers?

Cause surelt u dont sim for even close to that

[limber lion]

On Skolex that's one part yeh

No, I don't

[drifting cloud]

first sigil twice

[limber lion]

But my sim is a bit low comparing to what I actually do in game

[mortal pike]

What are you simming at cev?

[limber lion]

:-)

[drifting cloud]

but now it will die too fast this week cev

[limber lion]

Yeh it will for sure

[umbral rapids]

??

[echo geyser]

Are u saying

[limber lion]

14.8k

[mortal pike]

oh dang

[echo geyser]

The apl isnt good enough

[umbral tulip]

[mortal pike]

thats like 1k more than me interesting

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

No, it's just that the basic sim is always a 1t 5min patchwork

and there really aren't any fights like that

[echo geyser]

Ah u mean like that

[limber lion]

Just slapping one extra add on top will increase my dps a bunch

[mortal pike]

I only sim 13.8 with 4 set

[limber lion]

Slapping an extra minute will increase my dps a bunch

[umbral rapids]

Thought you had some tech

[limber lion]

I mean

I do

[echo geyser]

[umbral rapids]

[limber lion]

That's why I do 3k more damage than anyone else that's public logging

on every boss

[echo geyser]

[limber lion]

But yeh

[umbral tulip]

[echo geyser]

You open public logs after progress right

[limber lion]

Yes, during farm

[drifting cloud]

just wait until pasassins goes back to assa

[echo geyser]

[limber lion]

But we mainly do speed kills, so that might be better or worse for parsing

[echo geyser]

True

[limber lion]

Like full single target on boss on some bosses, never touch adds

[mortal pike]

WHATS THE TEC

[limber lion]

l2p

[mortal pike]

[spice spire]

The sauce is of the first variety

[sonic schooner]

Just become Cev yourself to do Cev logs

[spice spire]

NOTED

[gusty adder]

Ay, when we run Necro CT in dungeon, do we CT on ST and bosses?

[spice spire]

Yes

[limber lion]

Yes

[gusty adder]

Aight, thanks

[spice spire]

[gusty adder]

Same rules as normal vent-CT-ST I guess

[spice spire]

Ye

[gusty adder]

dont let it fall - unless it falls for snd-envenoms or stuff

cool cool

[spice spire]

Yep good stuff.

[gusty adder]

But CT on ST is lowest prio over filler-envenoms right?

[spice spire]

Yep.
Maintaining SnD > Rupture > CT uptime > filler envenom

[gusty adder]

aight, perfect

On another note - would love to see/know some pros CT-uptime as Vent on pure ST fight

[limber lion]

This is on Halondrus

don't have any other single target examples yet as we only killed tier bosses yesterday and doing mythic tomorrow

[gusty adder]

ahh, perfect - was worried it would be like 85-90%

Thanks alot

[limber lion]

Didn't need to delete the message

But yeh no worries

[slow marsh]

Ayoooooo GM boys

[limber lion]

yoyo

[slow marsh]

I'm feeling good today. Gonna fill out a lot of apps. Maybe we get a hit today or tomorrow

[spice spire]

GM mister iceblades

Hope for a Deece guild hit homie

Anvil gaming #1 spot, yeah?

[cobalt bramble]

Hi , where do we usually want to use vendetta in m+ apart from bosses?

[limber lion]

On cooldown as much as possible

slamming down the big boys in packs

[spice spire]

Wherever makes sense, you want to use it as much as possible.

What Cev said

He’s too fast

[cobalt bramble]

does it help in aoe

[limber lion]

Yes

[cobalt bramble]

like for example in PF on the slime pack

[limber lion]

The first pack before the boss?

Lol no

[spice spire]

Not the best place for it tbh.
We pull the 4 pack before then

[limber lion]

You want full value from the Vendetta

Not 3s

So you use it on cooldown as much as possible, while aiming for the maximum value from it

[spice spire]

And I’ll hit up the stormer because it needs to go down + no one wants to use CDs there

[cobalt bramble]

so like i save it for the blighted spinebreaker in the cannister pull

[limber lion]

Good

You can use it on the plagueboys after the slime-pack

the slimy boys

plaguebelchers

[spice spire]

Like in PF, I’ll use it on stormer > big boy pat after first boss area (we grab red slime) > then on boss

[cobalt bramble]

oh i see

thanks c:

[rotund oak]

https://media.giphy.com/media/aZ3LDBs1ExsE8/giphy.gif

[wild mural]

Just tell your group to pull the belcher with it

And vendetta that

[marble hemlock]

I wouldn't necessarily say on cooldown. It's more of a priodamage situation. If its just a raw AoE pack, using vendetta isnt really gonna help you in any way to deal with that pack faster

[torn atlas]

But with Dusk, where you know you'll have it still ready for the next pack, you still get some form of value right?

[marble hemlock]

You won't have it ready for every pack tho

You don't need ~50seconds for every pack

[torn atlas]

Not saying that's always going to be useful, but situational.

[marble hemlock]

And the only real value you get is prio damage and a 30% amp on one of many targets

You're already energy saturated on AoE, and trying to rebleed the vendetta target will most likely lead to you dropping bleeds on other targets. As the Vendetta target is already taking 30% more damage from you, youre basically funneling damage into that one target at the cost of others that are going to live longer.

[rotund oak]

we need an assassination podcast

[dusty garden]

@limber lionYo, some questions about Venthyr that you have probably answered before.

1. Do we hold shiv for vendetta? (3rd shiv for 2nd Vendetta/flag i guess)
2. How far behind is Nadija/Theotar without haste Tea?

[marble hemlock]

Using Vendetta and actively rebleeding the vendetta target will be better for overall DPS, but it will lower your damage output on the non-Vendetta targets, essentially.

[limber lion]

1. with or without tier set?
2. not much, like 40 dps. You should sim it

[slow marsh]

yeah they were my first app for sure

[spice spire]

[dusty garden]

Didn't realise sims were updated, I'll do that right away.
4 set/2leg

[slow marsh]

would be nice to get into the next liquid at the ground floor right

xD

[limber lion]

Then yes you hold

[past bobcat]

Can you play dusk without 4 pc?

[slow marsh]

I did with 2p. it's fine

291 dusk outsimmed 262 dashing after double leggo if using venth

[limber lion]

Yeh completely fine now that we have double lego's

[past bobcat]

But is Venth really better on 2 target fights or still necro?

[slow marsh]

Venth for desausage type 2t and necro for lords

[sturdy merlin]

Hi is raidbots updated with the new venthyr thing for sin ?

[slow marsh]

ye

[muted ivy]

Perma cleave = NL, occasional add = venth

[dusty garden]

Thanks a lot for answering. Was 30 dps difference so i'll just play theotar sub and nadija assa

[brazen zodiac]

u got this!

[limber lion]

[thorn fjord]

We all need to roll SV hunter for keys

its so crazy their dmg output

[spice spire]

While I’m glad survival is pumping rn

[thorn fjord]

look at this shit

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

lmao

[spice spire]

That’s not really that nuts actually

[past bobcat]

Sub rogues doing just as much

[brazen zodiac]

mornin quake

ohshit its tanner, look out new upcoming rogue player

[thorn fjord]

almost 11k for Brew

I WANT MY 4P damnit

[brazen zodiac]

got mine last night pog.

[limber lion]

where is rouge

only roegus here

[brazen zodiac]

ngl after mfd ct vendetta shiv vanish blah blah blah i aint got no idea wtf to do lmfao

[thorn fjord]

i havent gotten above 12k in keys playing SUB with 2p

but i also suck at keys

[brazen zodiac]

feels like all the bleeds are already in pandemic and gotta get applied again

hi cev

[limber lion]

sub 2p isn't great in keys either

yo

[lean fossil]

i feel that statement in my soul lol

[brazen zodiac]

dont tell him tha tcev

he'll lose his mind

[past bobcat]

sub double lego though in keys?

Should be doing 15k+

[limber lion]

sub double lego?

[brazen zodiac]

tanner did u guys kill anduin yet

[limber lion]

that doesn't do anything

[past bobcat]

Finality is cracked

[limber lion]

It's not like Finality is a legendary that gives you 10k more overall damage

lol

[thorn fjord]

i sim at 13.3 with finality in dungeon slice

[past bobcat]

Yes and dreads

[thorn fjord]

cant wait to try 4p sub in keys 😦 hoping to be able to atleast do 14k+ lol

[lean fossil]

subs dmg depends on how the tank pulls, did a 15 streets and the tank was pulling packs of 3 at the start...

[limber lion]

You'll easily do that

I do 18k as Assa with my 4p, you'll easily pump more

[thorn fjord]

that always hurts

oof i thought you said you didnt wanna play 4p sin in keys

that it was too much work

[limber lion]

I have never said that

[green isle]

Cries in 8k dps

[limber lion]

I only play Assassination

[past bobcat]

This is on a TOP

as sub

[thorn fjord]

without 4p?

[thorn fjord]

must have been someone else mb

[vestal wren]

sub 4p has a lot of potential

to be good

[spice spire]

TOP sub

[thorn fjord]

Doesnt help that i'm an RNG pleeb and always have terrible luck with it lol

Need to channel my inner RNG lord

[spice spire]

That was varas

[limber lion]

I'm confused as the sub player

smh

[past bobcat]

Ass rogue is more confusing

[spice spire]

Literal OTP called a filthy multi speccer SMFH

[limber lion]

Wait you did 15.0k as Sub, was that with or without 4p?

[spice spire]

(Don’t look at CN early logs)

[thorn fjord]

wondering the same thing

[past bobcat]

Thats 4 pc on a TOP

Should be more on more aoe dungeons

[thorn fjord]

i wanna MoT and SD numbers with 4p

wanna see

[fast nacelle]

i feel like sub is the only fun spec in m+ out of all 3 specs

[grim tangle]

sub in m+ is so boring

what

[fast nacelle]

outlaw feels underwhelming and assa is meh

[thorn fjord]

Outlaw has been cancelled

[fast nacelle]

how is it boring

[spice spire]

I too find 1-2-1-2 gameplay fun

[fast nacelle]

i mean you can at least control how well your keys go

[brazen zodiac]

hey i was writin some notes on necro for m+ from what some gamers here have said, you wanna add to it if yall have anything to @spice spire @limber lion

For overall you keep rupturing forever but prio mobs like gettint envenomed
With snd already up, 4 gar into ct then sbs's into ruptures
Then at some point after a rupture or 2 you would vendetta shiv a prio

[grim tangle]

I didn't know people actually liked sub rogue I thought they just played it becvause it's better

[fast nacelle]

i like sub cause you can pretty much adapt to every bad situation by funneling

[brazen zodiac]

never played sub but im usure its fun

[thorn fjord]

Most non rogues enjoy/play sub over sin

[brazen zodiac]

double shadowstep sounds based so

[thorn fjord]

atleast the ones i've seen

Non rogue mains*

[spice spire]

Don’t forget about basic envenom on CD as possible.
shiv on CD, as it makes sense ofc

[spice spire]

People do enjoy sub, but a mass number of people do just play because it’s better

[past bobcat]

Sub feels more rogue

Out of the 3

[thorn fjord]

wrong

😛

Poison/bleed application feels like what rogue is supposed to be imo

[grim tangle]

black powder doesn't feel rogue at all

[thorn fjord]

and upkeep

[grim tangle]

it's the least rogueish ability any rogue has

[fast nacelle]

assa in keys feels like ass
unless anyone enjoys tabbing 10 times for half of the dps in low keys 15-20

[muted ivy]

I enjoy Sub, but Sub aoe is boring as fuck

[brazen zodiac]

wym

u can do solid dps and keep up as sin lol

[fast nacelle]

tab rupture is more fun yeah

[limber lion]

Literally says the sub

who presses 2 buttons

and doesn't even have to target any target

[echo geyser]

dont fight

[limber lion]

[thorn fjord]

LOL

[muted ivy]

SecTech desperately needs a buff

[spice spire]

You can’t keep up with the big dps classes
But in general I prefer sin, obviously.

[echo geyser]

all rogue specs matters

[spice spire]

I agree mister ramfam

[thorn fjord]

Sin disc channel my favorite channel by far

[spice spire]

Buff outlaw

[thorn fjord]

i love you all

[muted ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-drumpf-trump-stupid-gif-6220235

[spice spire]

Fix outlaw tier at least

[thorn fjord]

Delete outlaw

[brazen zodiac]

this channel gets really horny at like 3 am which is fun i dont think the other channels are like that

esp with whisp

[thorn fjord]

make a new spec

[echo geyser]

i dont like it in here i will leave

[keen aurora]

Definitely the least toxic class disc I've been in. The demo disc gets heated over everything

[brazen zodiac]

next xpac outlaw gonna be the best!

[muted ivy]

Idk about this 3rd rogue spec called outlaw, I only know about Combat

[spice spire]

Take about 10% off that one

[brazen zodiac]

just gotta believe

[subtle tundra]

wtf

[fast nacelle]

outlaw is def better than combat
just needs some rtb fixing

[thorn fjord]

Outlaw getting deleted and we're gonna get sneaky ninja spec

[past bobcat]

Sin rogue is defs better for the fingers lmao

[keen aurora]

you mean like an assassin?

[thorn fjord]

nah nah

like super sneaky ninja

[muted ivy]

Nightblade

[echo geyser]

i just came to soak up new sin knowledge but all i hear is cross spec hating

[thorn fjord]

Came 10 min too late Ram

[subtle tundra]

im doing ass m+ hating

[spice spire]

Nah nightblade sounds like 3rd dh spec

Spec hate is cringe

[keen aurora]

Don't hate the spec, hate the players

[spice spire]

Focus on the true enemies, brethren and sistren

[thorn fjord]

Not when we're bashing Pirate

[spice spire]

Boomkins

[bold jetty]

which weapon we want from cache?

[thorn fjord]

😂

[bold jetty]

on st?

[spice spire]

Probably still axe
There’s a scenario where sword could be powerful

[muted ivy]

Lotsa info in #assassination-faq as well

[bold jetty]

oh couldnt find this

[spice spire]

With the snapshotting on vendetta; however, for ease it’ll end up generically being axe

[bold jetty]

ty

[muted ivy]

It’s the italics under the trinkets recommendations, very easy to miss lol

[thorn fjord]

Snap shotting means we want to re-apply dots before vend drops?

to gain the beneficial affect again?

[spice spire]

Yes

[brazen zodiac]

does the 4p change how we play in dungeons or nah

[spice spire]

Essentially your stats at the end will apply to the bleed until it drops

So if you have a 30 stack haste buff when you apply your final rupture, even when that stack drops, your rupture will still keep that haste buff until it drops

Or it’s refreshed

[keen aurora]

If our stats are static (i.e. not venthyr) do we still refresh bleeds before vendetta drops

[fleet atlas]

Dustwalker is still our bis with 4pc if we are playing snapshotting venth instead of nightfae correct?

[kind talon]

@spice spire is cache bleed procced on bleed crits or just hits?

Cause if it’s not bleed crits then ct spam is actually real and I’m laughing

[muted ivy]

4pc = duskwalker is BiS for the most part

[kind talon]

Necro zoldyck on pantheon?

[spice spire]

Don’t have the trinket and can’t confirm

The second I do I’ll dive for the secret tech

[kind talon]

I do but I’m not swapping sin again

[muted ivy]

“For the most part”

[spice spire]

Disgusting

[kind talon]

The only fight that assa is actually bis on

[past bobcat]

sin bis on dreads too

[kind talon]

Rogue isn’t bis on dreadlords

At all

It’s dogshit

Every spec is bad on dread

[muted ivy]

Rogue poopy for dreads 😦

[past bobcat]

But out of the 3 specs

sin is the best

[kind talon]

Yeah

[muted ivy]

CT bleed doesn’t get the dmg amp does it?

[past bobcat]

It does

[fleet atlas]

I think it's just the instant damage nit bleed that does

[muted ivy]

I’m

[spice spire]

Both get the amp

[fleet atlas]

Oh cool

[kind talon]

Does bonerspike get amp

[spice spire]

Lemme check homie

[kind talon]

With deathspike

Oh wait fok ct spam on dreadlords bro 😎

Sheeeeeeeeesh

[past bobcat]

yeah much better than sub lmao

[muted ivy]

Y you so horny for CT spam

[kind talon]

Sub has potential to high roll but yeah

[kind talon]

ct spam

Because then I don’t have to do the part of sin that I don’t like and only the part of sin that I do like

[muted ivy]

[kind talon]

Fuck envenom

[slow marsh]

You don't fok ct spam on lords

[past bobcat]

mut ct spam

?

[slow marsh]

no you just do 2t rotation normally

[balmy condor]

But 100% more dam¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿

INSANE

[spice spire]

It does not

[balmy condor]

It’s like…. 4 target…. Without the cp

INSANE

[past bobcat]

^

I see more damage i spam more buttons

[slow marsh]

the ticks get 100% more dam you don't spam it

[kind talon]

Echoing blades !?’bbv 3 target fok pump!?!?

[kindred rapids]

Oh didn't realize the bleed was amped.

[balmy condor]

People will pull 15 mobs in ardenweald and not spam, and then be like “oh 100% more damage surely now I spam right”

[muted ivy]

[past bobcat]

people who play sin rogue into DOS

when sub black powder spam exists

[kind talon]

They are very smart bro

[slow marsh]

this is current r1 lords during lust + swarm

[past bobcat]

[kind talon]

Is that a boner boy?

😏

[slow marsh]

ye the guy doesn't even have tier

nvm he has 2p jk

[kind talon]

Would you not play zoldyck on lords of deadass

Necro?

[slow marsh]

with 4p no probs not

[kind talon]

😭

[slow marsh]

and by probs not i mean for sure not

[kind talon]

What the flark man

[past bobcat]

Top parses are a mix between zold and dust

[slow marsh]

the only maybe zold is pantheon and that's only if you can't manage bleeds in p3

[kind talon]

Wdym by manage

Like a 7/11?

[spice spire]

A big zoom this am

[slow marsh]

cuz if you can't keep bleeds up on 4t as is, then introduce an exsang mechanic to one of the 4, adding another cast of exsang mechanic probs not the best idk

[vale marten]

can you use empowored garrote from sepsis buff or it doesnt work?

[slow marsh]

no ambush

[vale marten]

thats unfort

[slow marsh]

indeed it is

[raven vapor]

do we use heirmir in m+ ?

[slow marsh]

kevin

[raven vapor]

ty

[keen aurora]

Does kevin still pull aggro when stealth or has that been fixed

I remember that being a big problem in 9.1 with my warlock

[slow marsh]

yeah idk tbh i haven't had that issue yet

[spice spire]

I have

But SD kinda cursed dungeon Tbf

[brazen zodiac]

@spice spire for necro st in like m+ would i gar, sbs, then press ambush at any point?

[spice spire]

Nah you wanna triple garrote

Subterfuge

Oh st

Fuck

[brazen zodiac]

like gar one of the relics or all of em

[spice spire]

Garro relic, garr boss, sbs boss

[rotund oak]

tested the new venthyr tech

[spice spire]

Finisher, sbs relic that you’re killing, back to boss

[brazen zodiac]

ah kk

[rotund oak]

it sims 60dps more than nadja even with my 3p

[spice spire]

Pray you’re not with apes

[brazen zodiac]

prob rupture for finisher?

[kind talon]

you fool

garro relic garro boss sbs relic

you fool!

[spice spire]

Yes

[brazen zodiac]

:O!

[kind talon]

snd for finisher you fool!

you are losing your touch

[spice spire]

You wanna sbs boss first so you don’t overcap with deathspike

Snd should already be going

Smdh

[brazen zodiac]

XD

[kind talon]

it fell off

we wiped

idiot

[spice spire]

Oh fuck

[kind talon]

this is a pug bro

[spice spire]

Most tanks I’ve plugged with W key hard

[kind talon]

w key pog

[hollow river]

Can u pull into boss plz

[kind talon]

that key

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/862877455470952479.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[hollow river]

Was that a 2 chest tho

[kind talon]

1 chest

[hollow river]

2*

[kind talon]

idt so

was it rlly

[hollow river]

Nah I meant to ask if it was a 2

[spice spire]

I find Mfers like u real interesting bro

[hollow river]

It was good for an 18 tho

Had a few minutes to spare iirc

[kind talon]

no it wasnt

[hollow river]

[kind talon]

bro i did an sd on stream notrickz comes in

and this fucking boss eats soap and pulls 3 mobs every pull

[hollow river]

You guys got to kaal with like over 10 minutes left iirc

[kind talon]

we get FOUR lantern stacks going into second boss

FOUR

[spice spire]

AMEN

[whole bay]

is necro still that good in m+ does it bring an important difference between night fae or venthyr? i really dont like the ability

[spice spire]

Tyrannical ofc?

[kind talon]

mfer tells me TO OPEN THE LANTERN BEFORE HE PULLS THE GARGOYLE

????????

HOW ABOUT YOU GARGOYLE THIS DICK BRO

[spice spire]

Necro good in m+, check pins

[past bobcat]

How to sim a lords of dread fight for sin rogue

2 target cleave?

[kind talon]

ye

just 2t cleave

venthyr

[hollow river]

2 target patchwerk isn’t it

[kind talon]

obedience dusk

[spice spire]

2 target pw

[kind talon]

mhm

[spice spire]

Ez

[hollow river]

Bro

I have to do TORGHAST

[past bobcat]

Ive heard necro is better

[hollow river]

To get my dusk

[ripe gulch]

for m+ u still go dusk?

or zol dick

[hollow river]

Dusk is good prio damage

Big poggers

Zold is ok

[ripe gulch]

which double lego would you go then

for general use

[slow marsh]

dusk

[ripe gulch]

necro

[hollow river]

I’d prolly just try both

[slow marsh]

dusk

[hollow river]

See what you personally like

[slow marsh]

dusk

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

dusk

[hollow river]

Zold

[ripe gulch]

zoldusk

[slow marsh]

Make zold baseline and go dusk ez

[hollow river]

Duskdycks

[ripe gulch]

shadowcocks?

[hollow river]

Lol if only

We might be meta if that happened

[slow marsh]

Yeah it'd never happen. It would mean rogue has some form of utility and can't have that

[hollow river]

Or at least close

[kind talon]

necro aint better for 2t

[hollow river]

Ehh it sorta is

[slow marsh]

necro is slightly better in 2t.

and if you bring any extra adds it jumps higher

[hollow river]

Like Venthyr is better for Sausage

[slow marsh]

ye cuz it's not 2t the whole time

[hollow river]

But it’s kind of a toss up for Lords imo

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[hollow river]

I’d run necro just for the fun gameplay

[slow marsh]

I think the add makes necro the slight winner

[hollow river]

Too bad I’ll be benched for that boss

[slow marsh]

but flag for swarm juicing CT must be nice

[past bobcat]

So what dude for venth?

Naj or theo

[hollow river]

Sim it

[ripe gulch]

theo with haste tea

[hollow river]

Theo usually better if you roll Haste tea

[ripe gulch]

naj otherwise

draven if you play league

30% dmg buff

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

[kind talon]

theo

[kind talon]

theo sim in topgear dont work man

[slow marsh]

ye it does

[kind talon]

doesnt sim with ur best tea unless u put in the lil ting

no?

👀

[slow marsh]

just put the line in the bottom

and keep it there perma

[spice spire]

Line in the FAQ too

[hollow river]

^

[kind talon]

@past bobcat

^

[hollow river]

[kind talon]

:subscheme:

bro sub 4p kinda fun has reactive game play

saves the spec a bit

juicer

[slow marsh]

it scratchesyour outlaw itch or what

[kind talon]

ye

gives me some dopamine

cortisol

or whatever

aka not boring as fuck sleeper 0proc gameplay

[hollow river]

Yeah idk I’m hype I got 4p

[kind talon]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-an-addict-mae-martin-mae-feel-good-junkie-gif-16755956

[hollow river]

But I’m just not hype to be a rogue main right now

[slow marsh]

wym bro MA is basically a proc now xD

[hollow river]

Benched for half of the raid I think

[kind talon]

wut

[kind talon]

????? how

[spice spire]

Warrior main when?

[hollow river]

We have 2 rogues and hella melee

[slow marsh]

you vanish and muti and get excited when it works and gives 4p xD

[kind talon]

so true my oomphie

[hollow river]

Other rogue is officer

[kind talon]

yeah just be better than everyone else

dont matter

[slow marsh]

ye

that why i'm apping to snowblind rn

no fucks given

[kind talon]

yeah 3 rogues

u will get in for sure

take my spot for sure

[slow marsh]

[shy dust]

Just be greater

Make yourself unbenchable

[slow marsh]

you're the only good one tho

[kind talon]

@shy dust man u rlly are washed

[spice spire]

Consequence looking for 2 more rogues

Factually

[hollow river]

Don’t think it’ll work out like that in this guild

[kind talon]

after i took your rygelon heroic rank1 week 1

[shy dust]

Who are you again

[kind talon]

you just cant slip one past me

yeah nice bro

keep saying that

see where it gets u

[shy dust]

Link M prog

[kind talon]

gotta untape my dick from your forehead first

[shy dust]

You’re talking to rank 700 Dausuage m parse

Show some respect

[kind talon]

YO

my bad

im apoligyz

[slow marsh]

ally say wha

[shy dust]

I mean it can

We would have tan 2 rogues all tier

And we are relatively high up

[sturdy merlin]

@limber lion Hey Cev do you remember when we talked about the 4-6cp rupture logic ? I was wondering if it was still valid on 4p vendetta

[shy dust]

And it’s not like rogue offers anything

[untold mortar]

hey guys, anybody know if we dont get haste tea from theotar we go for nadia instead or we go on with the "wrong" tea?

[kind talon]

😭

[slow marsh]

rogue is a rat pumper this tier

[spice spire]

Nadji

[kind talon]

rat pumper?

[hollow river]

Have a feeling they’re drinking the demon hunter kool aid atm we have 3

[slow marsh]

should be hard to die

[fading wigeon]

This is where you go. Nothing is worth the bench. Lots of other guilds out there.

[kind talon]

i love that rogue just gets worse every week

[slow marsh]

so you get more boss dam for being a rat

[kind talon]

[hollow river]

Even if I outperform them I don’t think it’ll matter

[shy dust]

Then just move up

Climb the ladder

[fading wigeon]

Use a different ladder

[hollow river]

Because afaik I do more damage

[fading wigeon]

With another guild

[slow marsh]

Or be like me and accept that you have to move down to move back up lmao

[hollow river]

And cause way less wipes

[ripe gulch]

take the elevator

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Literally bottom tier , below any dps class. Reroll rogue meta, damn.

[kind talon]

have u been playing

4p sub

or no

[kind talon]

so true

[hollow river]

Who

[ripe gulch]

assa will get better with gear

hopium

[kind talon]

😢

rogue sux

can some1 explain to me why enhance players are so bad

[ripe gulch]

bruh thats early mythic

[fading wigeon]

Fotm shamans

[hollow river]

“I didn’t get any procs maaaaaan”

[ripe gulch]

data is so skewed and misleading

[kind talon]

im aware

[spice spire]

They’re sandbagging

Purposefully

[slow marsh]

cuz they've either stuck with enhance and by doing so obviously don't care about pumping, or they're fotm rollers

[kind talon]

bro

outlaw is 4th

how could it be

[slow marsh]

55 parses

[spice spire]

I was gonna say

[vestal wren]

people will switch to venthyr

and it will be better

[kind talon]

[past bobcat]

Without 4 pc venthyr still better?

[spice spire]

We’re swapping between NL and Venthyr, fuu

[ripe gulch]

big pog

[vestal wren]

yes, venthyr is now rly good

[kind talon]

for st and cleave im p sure yes

necro still aoe king

[slow marsh]

pad king **

[vestal wren]

we just missed that the haste snapshot is good with flag before

[past bobcat]

Fuck this. I'm stopping leveling up necro lmao

[vestal wren]

more or less

even tho it seemed logical

[spice spire]

NL goated tho

[kind talon]

yes doing damage to pantheon bosses is pad

[slow marsh]

NL goated for ease of use

[kind talon]

[peak bobcat]

Do we save Vendetta for Flag? with Dusk

[kind talon]

so true

[slow marsh]

pantehon is diffy

[hollow river]

Yes always

[kind talon]

pantheon and lords are the only sin fights in the raid

and i guess pantheon isnt even a sin fight now

[slow marsh]

na

[kind talon]

[fading wigeon]

All Guy on different rogue alts

[ripe gulch]

so we flag on cd and hold vendetta when flag is coming up?

[kind talon]

ok what else is a sin fight

[slow marsh]

yes

[kind talon]

[slow marsh]

all the ST fights bro

[hollow river]

Always pair vendetta and flag

[kind talon]

u coping

[hollow river]

Every one of them

[ripe gulch]

damn i sim low af

prolly cuz no 4 piece

[slow marsh]

Na when people start getting gear and the double daggers stop carrying sub as hard then it'll come down to variance imo

[hollow river]

Their CDs are similar with the CDR

[granite widget]

if I can only muster up 12% haste

[spice spire]

You’ve missed the tech

[kind talon]

the only st fights in the raid are skolex and jailer

[granite widget]

should I just not bother

[spice spire]

The execute weapon swap macro

[granite widget]

for lords

[kind talon]

[hollow river]

You don’t need much haste for cleave

[spice spire]

That’s fine tbh.

[slow marsh]

bro i would actually say nobody's gonna actually do that but sub players are cringe so i believe it

[granite widget]

ok cute

[hollow river]

Your bleeds will hard carry energy regen

[granite widget]

55 renown necro though

[kind talon]

zamn!

[granite widget]

I thought haste was good for bleed ticking, not energy

[kind talon]

thats correct

[slow marsh]

bleed ticking means energy fam

[hollow river]

Ye

[slow marsh]

that's why rupture for sub is stupid

literally does nothing

[kind talon]

damage

[ripe gulch]

blizzard is so fucking stupid

[kind talon]

[slow marsh]

sin has venomous wounds

[granite widget]

spending 100k for one boss fight sadge

[ripe gulch]

nightblade was way more fitting

[hollow river]

Sub rupture should do double the damage as shadow damages

[slow marsh]

yeah until you get into the whole drop rupture in dance stuff

[hollow river]

So sub will be slightly better for cleave

[kind talon]

shut up

[ripe gulch]

plus the azerite trait that buffed evisc after nightblade was also cool

[kind talon]

never drop rupture

are u a custer?

[ripe gulch]

and didnt feel shit to apply

unlike rupture

[slow marsh]

push wants to drop rupture in certain situuations

[ripe gulch]

yes its more dmg if you keep rupture up

[kind talon]

someone hasnt been listening to their cmac

[ripe gulch]

but it feels like it does nothing

[hollow river]

?

[slow marsh]

I mean idc tbh sub always just ggonna be stinky powder spammers so

[granite widget]

Does deathspike necro cov ability count as aoe

[kind talon]

rupture is 4 ever

[granite widget]

for lords

[spice spire]

No

[granite widget]

also does crimson tempest dot count?

[spice spire]

It doesn’t get buffed, ct dot does

[slow marsh]

CT dot counts yes

[granite widget]

ok Pog

[slow marsh]

That's why venth can maybe be good on lords

cuz flag + CT dot

juice

[spice spire]

Yeah timing is weird tho

[slow marsh]

It's 1min in and then every 2minutesish

[spice spire]

53s

[kind talon]

u just delay

cds

[timber flame]

yo quick question bros, is doomblade still goat?

[kind talon]

[spice spire]

No check pins

[kind talon]

no

[timber flame]

oh ty

[slow marsh]

yeah no doommblade not good check the pins oh oops i'm slow

[granite widget]

if I’m only 53 necro renown, for heroic at least, I can get away playing venth on lords yeah?

I know it’s a sim yourself question

But I see most logs are necro

[slow marsh]

sure

yuou can play either on any fight and be fine now

[granite widget]

I def sim higher w ven on 2t

[slow marsh]

It's nmot as big a deal as people make it out to be tbh

[granite widget]

I don’t know what it is about playing sub

I end up doing less damage on 2t than 1t

[slow marsh]

cuz sub 2t is ass

[granite widget]

I know but you’d think if you just did your 1t rotation

you could at least you know, do 1t damage

[ripe gulch]

thats prolly cuz other people do more dmg on 2t while you do the same

so you end up in bottom of meters

[granite widget]

not even that

[ripe gulch]

still same damage

[granite widget]

nerf frost dk

[strange python]

._.

[slow marsh]

na frost is fine

[outer cairn]

give sub a cd to ss two targets. like blade flurry. i mean we have two daggers, its reasonable

[ripe gulch]

wtf my plater no long turns green when i use bone spike

wtf did i do

[spice spire]

Plater did an update

Cev said he may have to resubmit his profile

[ripe gulch]

and that interferes with the scripts?

[spice spire]

Unsure

But you’re not the first to say something today

I’ve never been able to see green tho.
Colorblind life

[ripe gulch]

i cant even see who is bone spiked tho

[spice spire]

Complain was bad verbiage

[ripe gulch]

if i import the profile that it came with it works fine, but if i use the script on mine (which is just the profile with extra added settings by me) it doesnt work

lol

[potent pollen]

Hello, how are things. I wanted to ask, with what stats should I craft the duskwalker in the ring?

[slow marsh]

crit haste

[potent pollen]

Ty my friend

[oak sky]

Mfs actually want sub to be good at everything

Keep sub cleave shit

Oh wait, their tier set cleaves

[slow marsh]

that's how it be

[balmy condor]

And their cleave is still shit

[outer cairn]

but we have rupture

lol

[oak sky]

300 dps cleave bro ur right

Thats so much damage

[slow marsh]

but the rng

[ripe gulch]

wait nvm, its because i stopped tracking sbs on the debuff section

lol

im dumb

is haste simming high for anybody else?

[oak sky]

If you mean in stat weights, those have limits and change a lot

But generally we like haste

[subtle tundra]

@limber lion on lihuvim do you pop the necro or venth

[limber lion]

Honestly just Venthyr because I cba pressing Deathspike 700 times LUL

[outer cairn]

moar dots

[limber lion]

And I also like the Venthyr tech and I want to practice it a bit

[outer cairn]

Shiny vampy bois always win

[quasi steppe]

How's assa standing in m+ etc vs sub?

[slow marsh]

more work for less

poggers in the dungeons with 4 or less mobs in most pulls

[quasi steppe]

😄

[violet hemlock]

top sub feels shit and sin pretty good

[spice spire]

Top, PF, and to a lesser extent SoA and Mists

Decent sin dungeons

That’s all tho

[balmy condor]

Streets

[outer acorn]

do we still play zoldyck without 4p?

[balmy condor]

On pantheon and m+ yep

[outer acorn]

LoD

[balmy condor]

Oh man that took me a while to figure out wtf lod was

No

Don’t play zold on dread

It’s not bad

Some people said it sims higher? But idk that seemed pretty rare

dashing/doom is fine for it until 4 piece

[outer acorn]

i guess it also depends on the group dps

[balmy condor]

Not really

[scarlet warren]

I don't even have 2 piece yet, so should I stick with dashing instead of zoldyck for lords? Thought that wouldn't be the case

Honestly was hoping it wasn't either considering my dashing is still 262 and my zoldyck is 291

[balmy condor]

Oh definitely if you don’t have 2 piece

[scarlet warren]

Ok

Ty

[balmy condor]

Zold catches up with 2 piece

[wide ridge]

marileth or heirmir for m+?

[slow marsh]

emeni

jk marileth for everything

[wide ridge]

wait really

[stray mural]

Kevin’s Oozeling is pretty based

[wide ridge]

thought heirmir was big pog on raids

[slow marsh]

after dspike no real reason to go heirmer now

[wide ridge]

hmm I see

[balmy condor]

Necrolords thinking their soulbinds matter

[outer acorn]

[slow marsh]

Whispy do you only come in here to harass poor sinners while you're waiting for other channels to turn white?

[spice spire]

Bro these potencies are so good trust

[keen aurora]

Well if I can stop playing heirmeir that's one more WA I can throw away, sweet

[rapid forum]

whats the best middle ground for stats on unity for sub + assa?

[wide ridge]

crit vers

[spice spire]

^

[slow marsh]

except now you should get one with a kevin timer haha joke's on you

[violet hemlock]

isnt that a thing that doesnt matter

as u dont play around it

[balmy condor]

No MY soulbind is +50

YOUR soulbind is -50 on TWO target

VERY cringe

[slow marsh]

You know what

Thanks for all you do, your hard work doesn't go unnoticed.

A true king 👑

[tulip dagger]

I second this.

[red plaza]

Quick question about the bleed snapshotting just to confirm. You don’t want to refresh your final garrote/rupture/CT in the vendetta window right?

Treat it kinda like how we do with empowered garrotes?

[agile geode]

so guys since the news about sin rogue, it was nearly competitive as spec, now it should be at least on pair with sub right?