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guild doing mythic, and i am stuck in exam season jail : (
i think i remember reading no but
No
ye
Generation with fok is BAD
Just get more crit noob
should've hit mut I guess
shoulda played a better class ig
sub?
i got ma 4p whisp pog
feelsfunny not pressing mfd in vanish
and instead for ct and nah
nah the animation for putting up ruptures and shit is too funny
u just whale ur arms around with ur daggers
does pandemic change during the vendetta window? Is it based off 30% of the base dot duration or the hasted version
also the word you're looking for is flail
it's 30% of the hasted
so half of normal pandemic
you wanna slam a gar and rupture on before vendetta ends right
ye
its looking grim
rn
have to get shoulders off normal now
or i have to try to pug heroic anduin and dread
yeh
the venth thing with 4 piece and snapshotting can use sword during lust
but it's really questionable
just like that whole setup to begin with
ma
im diggin the press mfd ct though thats kinda funny

whispyr is an opp
for less damage
in sims maybe

not shot you actually pull off simdps on venth with all that shit
@ cev I hear a challenge
Is vent with 4pc the move now?
standing in your tiny ass theotar with your agi tea
staring at your haste% tracking wa
add sounds to everything and blast
add the vine boom sound effect whenever you gain haste
how does fok combo point generation work?
oh the venthyr stuff works as theo with just haste tea?
owo for haste
1 cp, +1 cp for every target you crit
1 baseline
+1 for every target you crit
f
I feel you
now i have to suffer through mythic
ohhhhhhhhh okay, i always was like why tf do i get 0 CP
pugged N ryg and N anduin, no tier
doing no dam
if no tier on friday then I ride the bench
or 0 extra
apparently our whole priest pally token has 4p
Same.
before I got my 3rd
We are only getting P,P,S
5 piece
Dagger
to someone

Oh.
ngl just bench them for reclears on token bosses
xd
Well mog increases damage.
Our healers are zooted, we told people to start making alts for Heroic to trade.
Might as well since they finished their tier, & we’ll get a heroic tier lockout only. 
does the new venthyr tech only apply to theo haste tea specifically?
no
kk
it applies even more-so to nadj
it applies to anything with haste
venth feels really good
i got fucking rygelon normal tier
nice join the club pog
Is that good or bad again?
thanks
rank 2 on skolex mythic 
pog
pog that's a 98
Is there a way to see percentiles against your entire class not spec?
noop
bro i stg
venthyr bozos playing venthyr
i have to play vg with no 2p
and i have to attempt to pug heroic instead of playing valorant with my friends
L take + actually balding + tierless + warlock simbot
venth assa is pog
What about your guild? Why pug 
they did heroic yesterday
How much add cleave is there on mythic dausegne 
@balmy condor my hunter dropped 2 more set in our hc reclear tonight. He looted a total of 8 set by himself 

I'll trade you all 4p for a better guild

I got a better guild, but no 2pc
dps?
you EU?
if you can raid weekends join mine
Na
kinda toxic but that's it
u rly bounced back to sin that fast huh? @ebon notch
fuckin hate sub

What days on weekends
when you proc you get the dopamine hit of a lifetime
and im too much of an addict to play a spec like that
color
i have all the roles
Yo ramfam, why u playing outlaw
im already part of sub
only to test new build but im never touching it again unless buffs
cyan
assa for top?
Ye I also want assa name color but I have all roles
its actually not bad
That bad huh 
so many bugs + weak
Yup
and i dont like the tier set
and mm
your mm sucks then
Wtv, rogue is more fun than all those combined
we have 3
i think its mostly survival u have to fight with in m+ at least, i cant rly speak for raid
Ye I was thinking more in raid

want logs?

Since in m+ we are St and stun bots
no
i peak like 40k on first platform 

Can't really compete with how broken survival is on damage
So many flavor of the month survival players absolutely pumping
And I'm here doing perfect rotations to do half their damage
So frost mage? 
maybe old frostmage, but current no
hows ur mage doing
Frost with 4p still seems pretty good
we dont do 2x split anymore, today it was 4hrs of omega optimized hc + normal run
And isn’t the funnel still there?
so i wont rly get gear anymore unless pug
- i dont rly care atm about alt
wanna omegablast gear on rogue first
Yeah SV for anduin is absolutely insane
and lord i think
some weird interactions
lord is just a fucked boss mechanic rly
stupid to have certain abilities just deal 2x damage nice
in gambit i peaked 80k dps as sub on one of the early packs
Granted I'm not perfect gear, I don't even have sylv dagger, but I was full funneling into lich and sv hunters did more than me on lich king while killing all the adds
"aoe" abilities
felt fuckin good
cool man
yeah thats what i was talkin about so thats a thing in m+ too
kinda scary to think about
but its not always good
I would rather go assa and have my niche still
True
But that's what rogues are best at also haha
Tbf sub can just black powder too
yeah u just cant do both at once
idk what assas identity in keys even is tbh
Tell my monk that when he spins on my adds on spider boss in PF
but i like that
Please dude
crimson tempest gets amped by it
so wtf are they supposed to be
sin is a cleave spec/st probably
2 and 3 target kings supposedly
whats up
Also St
it doesnt even bring extra utility
idk someone flaming outlaw
High uptime because of poisons
why would anyone kick outlaw when it's down?
garrote silence is aight but not too bad, iron wire nice
maybe scar will see and do something
in raid or m+

i mean yeah you get it on opener but
if you really needed a blanket silence like that
If there was a dungeon with consistent 3 mob packs sin would be great
i mean at this point blizzard dont want us to play the spec so might as well just call it what it is
yeah u never NEEEEEED it
then some packs would be unpullable without very tight cc combos
its just there
honestly feels like blizzard doesn't want us to play the class
and thats just not the case
they want us to play sub
sin is like possibly PF / ToP /street maybe
Nah rogue is always meta in m+
its not even super good in pf anymore
what does sub do that other classes don't do better?
Not for raid tho
but even then i got my doubts
guys idk what to do now that i have 4p
12.9
infinite cheap shots
Sub is an exception this tier
wdym
nothing left to achieve

i tried it again recently and it just felt like a worse sub
If anything outlaw lost its niche
this is cap
4pc makes sin miserable in keys
but if u can take any other necro class
It's literal swamp ass
then you would take sub over sin
yeah i dont think outlaw does anything better than sin/sub does
and also perma refresh your vendetta target
sin was already miserable in keys
which is just sad
its does 1 thing better
which is having gouge off of stun dr
envenom is just a fuckin filler now its just there for snd
which is useful for someth like PF
Blizzard is going back on their every decision in shadowlands
Let's wait for outlaw uncap
gouge should be given to assa also to leverage it a bit more
no
that fixes nothing
i mean what else can you do lmao
outlaw needs a tier rework or aura buff
It fixes something
thats all that can help it rn
no it doesn't
it doesnt
yeah but mm is ranged and hits like a fucking truck
like imagine if outlaw could fire off BTE's like aimed shots
Getting outclassed by survival
sure is
XD
It would be nice, feels bad to not hit more than 5 mobs in a mob pull, but that’s more of a gameplay thing than actual dps
Good company
depends on what you mean by fix
it was doomed from the start
more BTE uptime boys
u know they would have to uncap sweeping strikes and trick shots if they uncap outlaw
88% instead of 80%
Ye it was dog from the start
huge
I mean they changed it
but not in any significant way
outlaw desperately needs an aura buff
or just have their tier set function properly

that'd be a good start
bro who said sweeping strikes
thats 2t
its a cleave enabling ability right?
those are the ones they kept capped
I'll sweep your strikes
ability type
it was whirlwind trick shots and blade flurry
yup, outlaw down bad rn
ur just wrong man
yeah idk wtf warrior shit are called
no shot
as a sin rogue fan, I know what it's like when your favorite spec sucks donkey dicks
whatever u get my point
its cleave enabling abilities they kept capped
im sorry, i mustve stumbled into the wrong channel
Tell me about it. I watched this strimer man play otl with new venth dust build and barely did 14k with PI and faeries
no
Start of shadowlands lmao

Coming from BFA sin to that shit
Hurt my soul
poi can leave tho
i want the uncap
Stay ram and learn the superior raid spec
u can catch me in +15 weeklies maybe
not really looking forward to playing any rogue spec atm
you too?
outlaw has the worst damage in the game and the worst damage profile in the game
Do raidbot sims reflect the new venthyr tech?
nightly should do it iirc
yeah honestly i couldnt care less if they uncapped everything even stuff like mm, uncapping outlaw doesnt do shit
true
Hey lmk if you need head on feinttrap I gotchu
they just don't use the full new rotation yet
sqrt mm is fine
Thing is why wouldn't they uncap outlaw
idc
the idea is that its a "cleave enabling ability"
Lol
because they didnt want cleave enabling abilities to be uncapped
Oh
oh yeah, the "uncap outlaw gonna fix things" cope 
yes
Is why it's capped
yes
That's dumb

Uncap outlul will for sure fix dispatch not proccing MG
meanwhile last season capped ww at 5-6 targets was doing 100k
same with mm
targetcaps are just a meme
u think its relevant but its just base dmg that matters
outlaw just doesnt have big dam nor burst
Because they realized it was shit
Last time I had fun as outlaw was ma killing spree
They were meta in m+
But it was never fun
I played sin
Cuz outlaw was fucking boring
No cool burst
No cool interaction with corruptions or azerite powers
It was the least shitty rogue spec
That's why it got played
(for m+)
so true bro
not every spec can be goiood at everything
Honestly having 1 vaible spec is nice haha
will do
mages would like to have a word with you
and hunters
and pallies
and monks

And dh
Ret pala 
we don't talk about feral
Iirc ret pumps in certain settings where 1mins matter
Bruh literally my surv feels the same
Don’t think u even play 1 min build with 4p anymore
I'm sorry if this has been discussed already but I'm just discovering this, I'm seeing alot of 4pc+vent+crimsontempest.. Is there a guide or something anywhere explaining this?
ye cev broke it down pretty well in the pins
Ohh I didn't see the pins, thank you so much!! @gusty mirage
our lil brainiac
im not saying classes cant have more but its nice to at least have one really solid spec
aka sub
which I hate with a passion but yes
oxi its cool to see you here I've been looking at your wcl alot
having rng dictate whether you compete with other classes or not isn't solid imo

don't look at my mythic parses

I want to raid with a homie bro @bleak sky whats your schedule
Now we just need cev to find another tech so that sin becomes best in the game for everything
I was looking for assassination 2pc necro rogues, you were the top I believe
I miss the days of 2pc necro already 😦
Ty anyway! @gusty mirage

I just got my 4pc and went necro tonight, looks like I'm seeing a ton of vent
You can play either
honestly I'm going back necro
when I'm out of xymox prison
playing sub because sin on the platform is a meme
necro does seem a lot more fun
but i havent tried any of the new venthyr tech
so i cant speak
i did like necro sin before 2x lego at least
its a bleed
In vendetta
necro sin has been fun I enjoyed it tonight
Imagine going to the platform
I ran a necro Sin 15 PF last night which felt fine. This week will be my first raid as necro Sin (currently have 2p). Any tips or tricks I should know ahead of time? It's only heroic.
Pad as hard as you can on adds
But really get as many resets as you can and you'll be fine
Resets to bones spikes I take it?
Yeah
Zold or doom as necro?
I'm running Dashing until 4p then Dusk
Yeah it's honestly not a big deal imo until 4p. I'd recommend just use what you have
Yeah
No point in recrafting unless you have gold burning a hole in your pocket
But I ran zold as Necro until 4p myself
Im 2p my self and venth sims like 150 dps higher than bonerbois
But i guess thats hard single
I go where my RL tells me to go bro
I'm a team player
if I get asked to hold CDs I hold CDs
True rogues just blast when they wanna blast :P
What a baller
I went to platform once tonight and popped CDs on the overseer and then the monk ate it
Poggiewoggie
I get to experience the full casino effect
fri/sat 2030 cst - 00h30 cst
is that whispyr raid?
nah
whispyr raid is mon/tue/thur
whisp raid is the kinda wholesome raid, mine is the kinda toxic raid
kinda?

Wait wym tho
how many characters
maybe find a weekend guild run
Bruh why does it have to be the two days that are off limits to me
same :/
might be allowed to play it on sunday if i make it to alt raid
hey trying to change the ilvl of a piece of gear, how do i do it again? tried ,"ilvl"=272 but didnt work
ilevel
ty that worked
also the "" are unnecessary at best and a hinderance at worst if you put them there
just skip that part
" at the start and end and you're chillin
yooo just finished raid think i took the #1 spot for jailer
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PqhJLmVGp3cTZQDN#fight=21&type=damage-done
any log experts can tell me why a parse does not match when looking at it in your profile vs in the rankings?
nice!
when it gives you a parse it gives you the ranking at that moment, but as time go new records are set
yeh
thats not what i mean
for example
just killed h andy first time
on rankings im 15
should be 99 unless im wrong
but in my profile im 95
Cuz nobody is playing it
so cuz not enough parses
So you're 15 out of 45 which is a lower parse
got it
Ye I had the same question a couple weeks ago
Not as many as you think. Trust
isnt it weird to parse a 50 if theres 4 people better than you, but 5 people worse?
i got, what a 70 on skolex.... poor nochill is looking sad down there past me
(i had double leggo it doesnt count dont tell anyone)
damn a 70? grats on the rank 3/10
theres like 100 parses or something
i didnt even do that well
oh 50
mb
i played garbo
very cringe fight
for me
TRUE
im serious though
EARLY PARSES ARE SO SICK
how is 5/10 a 50parse when 4 people are better and 5 are worse than you
it doesnt make sense 
youd think you get a 50 parse when 4 are better and 4 are worse
because that's how numbers work
100-((place-1)/total parses) or something like that
cause then youd be smackdab in the middle
its like saying having 1 guy in front of you and 2 behind makes it a threesome
Can't wait to get into a new guild and be back on the board man this has been killing me
So cringe
i cant get into lords pugs
or anduin
i just realized i havent killed lords on heroic yet
so nobody will take me
my guild killed it while i was gone then recleared it yesterday while i was still gone
so sad man
At least the among us auto solver is out
If I'm playing outlaw offspec and sin main spec, what stats are a safe pick when crafting unity?
Is crit haste fine, or should I do crit vers or something weird like that
Crit/haste good
thanks homie
did the guild move
Gratz

Deathspike feels so good in keys, hitting 1 spike to full cp 

with Unity + Duskwalker, do we always lineup flag + vendetta?
There is a gap between 2nd flag and VD
cant wait that long
think u go for 1st fla 3rd flag 5th etc
yes always
hey so - looping back to my original q
is it weird or bad to just make
duskwalker's and unity on rings
Personally for me not really, I put it on slots that don’t conflict with PvP and PvE AND multi spec (Wrist best option for this)
And duskwalker on ring (even in PvP)
And yes I turned the ping off for reply to Scarizard so don’t flame me chat
yeah i don't really do either, and we have ppl who can make neck/rings
so it was more are there some rly banger jewelry we're lookin for
It’s just funny that ring was for 200k on my server
And I just bought the mats and crafted it for 80k
Well Akaari goes on Neck
thought it was unique equipped
interesting
unity and normal ring are different types
Both leggo
To give a bit more perspective
Akaari on neck, Wrist Unity, Dusk on Ring, Zoldyck on Feet and Finality on cloak
For me
My 4 set has gloves included
Unfortunately
But tbh double ring doesn’t sound awful tbh
I think try hard pvp, you craft unity on a piece that doesn’t have desired stat
yeah pve you do the same thing
E.g sub rogue would run Mastery Vers on ring unity so they can wear pvp Mastery Vers ring as well
we're gonna have to wait a while for tier to be close to bis before we swap our leggo slots tho
Or even double ig
It’s just kinda hard to craft leggos because everything expensive
Raid jewelry kinda does suck for rogues tbh
hey guys, for M+ is it: Venth - Zold and Unity / Necro - Zold and Unity?
just making sure
I think Whispyr said Venthyr because of prior and boss dmg
Yeah scroll all the way at the top
ahhh sick thanks for that
i been looking in wrong places
@limber lion i didnt get tier bro 😦
Ripp
well i got to trade one away

i have to find my way into an anduin pug now which should be extra poggers with awesome sauce
Ceverion-Stormreaver <Color-Kazzak>

Question, this is the bloodmallet bis sim. Is the 80 dps diff from the top 2 really worth going fae over venthyr? Especially with the standing in circle for buff trait you have with Dreamweaver? Or is there something I'm missing?

For st raiding
Will do! Cheers mate
For m+ is vigor still fine for the lazy ppl or is DS now preferred?
Vigor is preferred
Ok thx and whispyr if Legion Timewalking is coming back is CoS Ring still a good must have?
Yes
Does the AA Bonus stay same or will it get higher?
Higher ilvl means higher bonus
Finally got 2pc. Feels so damn good to use on cleave fights.
Was able to do 14.5k on Lords of dread
Necro actually slaps with deathspike as well
Now I just need to get 2 more...
Kinda crazy we're able to pump this much on lod when we get absolutely no benefit from swarm
yo homies with merilith do we run 2 potency or triple ?
Just checked the pin. So are we doing crit/mastery now? or still crit/haste? or haste/mastery?
Crit haste
Triple
@balmy condor tyxo as allways
simssay 500dps jump to run double potent i dont like it
You definitely missed something
so is the venth snapshotting the way we're going now?
For pure single target yes.
@balmy condor what ya rekon what i miss :/
maybe that's due to your sim being dslice where whispyr was probably giving you advice for a more sustained multi target situation
yea probs i just realised i didnt say for keys
did you try with poisoned katar also ? Can't find it in sims
loses value as necrolord but who knows ?
@limber lion https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8fsmg15qx9JyRputwgqqqL https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4yiFrVh7FnhmHdUjrCV778 the gap is closing 
u want to play sin?
sheeeeeeeeesh
My rogue WA has been broke since 9.2 (not showing pandemic anymore) and hasn't been updated in over a year so looks like i'm going to need to swap, does anyone use a WA that shows pandemic?
yeh, have always felt better as sin than sub in raid
pogga
though tbh, dustwalkers makes it more frantic than what i really want
idk im loving this 4p sub man
its so fun
its outlaw reactive gameplay in the sub rogue package
🥜
which is to play the variation of the spec that does the most dmg with the least uptime tbh
featured reactions include: my 4p proc, landing on an animacharge, i eviscerate for 2 and st procs, meaning i eviscerated at three missing the animacharge and instead wasting my energy and combo points, after which my 4p procs again, and i acquire blades, meaning after that eviscerate i am once again at 3 combo points, and now i'm unsure as to whether or not i got parried
somehow still does good damage
featured reactions include me on hakkar in dos, flag, snd, nado, rupture, evis x3, evis proc evis proc evis proc evis proc evis 30k
pure st 
so without the frostshards, this ring is the one to grind over countermeasure?=
crit haste are your bis stats
and it gives you free auto damage
and for an on use you want iqd or sigil, so you wont be using countermeasure
the real crazy bit is when you flag into something and get so many refunds you never actually tornado in your flag window

no shot
thats 10 refunds in a row
yeh it happened
no
well, i got 8

but i saved the tornado
holy shit
its better to use so it syncs
Why press it if you have max cp anyway?
besides, so much cdr flag ready on next symbols
so decided i was gonna use it in 30 seconds instead
was pretty nuts, was like, ardenweald trash -> dealer
could have been such a pretty meter but we killed wo 
Guys now that it seems that venthyr is the play with 4p are we holding vendetta to combo with flag everytime?
yep
nf feels good too
Haven't tested nf yet
having shadowblades and AR after your sepsis expires while vendetta is going
is an incredible feeling
But having vendetta and flag lineup every damn time
muti baseline 3 combo points, garrote baseline 2 makes vanishing to garrote other targets feel so less bad
yeh the issue is you can't get a sepsis on every vendetta so it's a cast on cd angle
and how lame that is balances out how great it feels on the cd windows where they line up 
Man imagine if we had double legendary without the "you are fucked if you wanna play multiple covs" from the start. Or atleast from 9.1 forward
Nathria was actually cool as it was
Imagine letting the players have fun!
I was ready to quit this expansion for a full time job playing LA but now? How will I manage to play both games?! XD

mr Cev,gonna craf tmy zoldycks feet today,do i actually need to sim crit/mastery over crit/haste or its just safe to go for crit/haste
@limber lion any chance you can share your Afenar when you're online? i've been trying to fix pandemic this morning and just can't seem to get it working
@limber lion is it still worth to IB kidney stunnable targets for dmg in your vendetta
or nah
!fuu
Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz
does anyone know the CD on vendetta with benevolent fairies
(also is there an ineffable interaction with dustwalkers and fairies?)
cuz like if you can get 2 vendettas for every sepsis that seems pretty good actually
you have to hold vendetta for flag (with 4p) so it isn´t optimal to reduce vendetta any further
it isnt that much
man but like currently i'm getting vendetta to come up around like ~56ish seconds after using it
if it can go down to 45
i don't think faeries is worth anything for venthyr no
just for nf
https://i.imgur.com/BI86kPX.png (at the end there delayed sepsis and vendetta for vanish cuz would have been only casts obvs) but first vendetta is at 5s, second is at 1:02
theoretically if i can push vendetta down to like 45s, then 2 vendettas for every sepsis is surely possible
are the changes to the venthyr rotation applied to simc?
I didn't see the MFD thing before Vendetta in my sim yet too
I guess that anduyn is a hectic add cleave fight?
Im actually simming 1k lower as Necro ST than Venthyr ST - is this normal, given this note from pins: "Necrolord is still the most versatile covenant and the best covenant for most encounters." ?
I mean
Necro st compared to venthyr is... bad
But most fights in the raid have adds
Besides like 3/4 bosses where it is pure ST
True - it just felt like alot
It’s the double leggo that makes it bad on ST, just no real gain as opposed to NF and Venth
Exactly
I was going necro st last week and it was "fine"
But this reset its kinda troll to go necro st
Legendary gives you 0 to a ST
why only this reset
Ya true - went with Vent for most of last nights raid to test it out (only heroic, and wasnt allowed to switch for every boss) :b
✨Kevin Uptime✨
Kevin be like a personal pet now
Basically a hunter now
As a guild im only clearing normal yet (have to pug hc) and yes i feel the pressure of wanting to change cov and people complaining
I mean how will I have orange parses if i am not allowed to change cov!
Get all the venthyr ones 1 week and the necro ones the next week 😂
I could have had orange at skrillex boss
But had to go necro :)))()
Bcs "not worth changing cov"
Bro i did 1.5k less dps
Than i did on oracle
I think if it's prog then changing covs is fine, but if half the raid is changing every farm boss its a bit cringe?
In that case I'd make the swaps 😂
hehe ye - did get a decent one in on dausegne, but fucked rotation up so bad on most of the others, so will have to go vent again I guess 😄
Lilled you 4/4?
yes
Damn
you mean set right
Is this mystic :O
haha no way - heroic. 🙂
Blasting
(Feels good being top1 almost every fight ngl)
Damn. Looked up mythic dausgne, just cause you asked - and I were interested.
- 13 Assass parses
- 273 Sub parses
gg
That changes when your warlocks get 4 set 😂
We're just ✨More special✨
My RL is indeed a warlock but he plays destro
I need to fix my necrolord gameplay
Proper dogshit at using deeper strat / subterfuge
can someone check if I've got the correct talents/conduits/setup for sin? I sim 600 dps worse than sub which feels a bit much but it might just be because of suboptimal sin stats
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3jHNSjSfxT9ozsTo8xBpAE
It’s not because of stats
I’m running a tiny bit of sauce rn
Makeitquake goated with the sauce
Bro this sim is still going 
without 4set you would play venthyr sin the same way we did in sanctum right?
Yes, but you shouldn't play Venth without 4p probably
At least with 2p you can play Necro on pretty much every boss

do i abandon my haste tea to play necro on dausagne though 
Dasaugne is a venthyr fight
yeah , door of shadows too good there
At least you tried
25 min sim O.o

How’s your Internet connection lol
Fine, even if it wasn’t, it’s raidbots server stuff.
They’re omega slow this am, it seems.
I’ve never simmed anything with that much time 
Sometimes when my internet is slow sims take forever
Last night I had one fail entirely due to loss in connection to the server

Yeah that could play a role in it I think
Mister notrickz the trouble shooting savant 
I don't see how this has anything to do with it
You queue a task on their end, you don't need to be online anymore
Does mobs take damage from poison bomb even if they don't stand in it?
No
Can you sim on raidbot for specific mad duke's tea buffs?














