assassination

[oak sky]

Easy excuse to shit on the day 1 the sin homie omr <midmax> <slurp> -Mal'Ganis

[slow marsh]

they prolly still placeholding for skip anyways so all good

[nimble tartan]

we saw it bro ill officially let u know right here in public ty for your interest in slurp

[spice spire]

Based omie

You should call her tho

[uncut tiger]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[gusty mirage]

lmfaoooooooooo

[oak sky]

You really should

[nimble tartan]

lmfaoo

[oak sky]

You can fix her bro

Undoubtably

[quaint sequoia]

Do I gimp myself much if I dont wanna run MFD and CT
Less is more regarding active spells imo

[slow marsh]

yeah just play sub

[quaint sequoia]

Really dont like sub

[slow marsh]

there's always arms war

[solid venture]

real shit

[drifting cloud]

go nf if you wont play mfd

[solid venture]

just give me 4p so i can get off sub

[oak sky]

-300 gg

[spice spire]

Nah that’s quakewar homie

[oak sky]

Agreonw making an appearance

100%

[spice spire]

Agreonm when

[oak sky]

Its agreonchizus bozo

[spice spire]

Aight weeb

Go off I guess

[oak sky]

Bro theres no weeb

Only chizus

[slow marsh]

Amen

[spice spire]

I’ve no idea what that means so damn weebs

[solid venture]

what about cho gun?

[slow marsh]

it's like jesus but with chi

[spice spire]

I see

[oak sky]

🤴

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

King chizus is going dark iron in 9.2.5

You heard it here first

Or whenever i feel like playing on him ig

[subtle tundra]

actually

the quasars have a very big hitbox

so deathspike

hits well

[slow marsh]

[oak sky]

Much more likely that i play agreboner/agrebones if the first one isnt allowed

[subtle tundra]

nooooo i got finger with leech instead of dagger from regy

[oak sky]

[hollow river]

I have a very cursed mage name

[gusty adder]

you go necro or vent for anduin?

nvm

saw pins

[oak sky]

My mage is agreonicy but i only play fire

[hollow escarp]

ngl, I thought I would enjoy this new venthyr build more than I actually did

[oak pulsar]

i like it i cant keep 100% uptime yet but i liked mfd and crimson for m+ anyways

[limber lion]

This parse from last week is cute

Just killed it again

Venthyr op

:)

[oak sky]

[hollow escarp]

btw Cev

[limber lion]

3k more dps than the public r1, which is also me

[oak sky]

Cant wait for my 4p

[limber lion]

lmao

[oak sky]

Im bout to rip shit up

[limber lion]

did you get 4p

oh

nvm

lmao

[oak sky]

Not yet :/

[hollow escarp]

you don't want any of those bleeds to drop after flag, right?

[oak sky]

Today maybe though

[limber lion]

You just reapply as you would normally, forcing reapplication at 0-2s of Vend'

[hollow escarp]

yeah, thanks

need to get used with CT timings

that falls off all the time for me

also Anduin probably not the best fight to do it

when you vendetta and then blasphemy comes out in 10 sec

[limber lion]

Just stay in melee with Blasphemy

ez

[oak sky]

^

[winter gale]

Can Flag wa be a bar ?

[hollow escarp]

I'm not that type of raider

[winter gale]

Due to all that stuff it shows*

[oak sky]

Ive been taking a spot right next to one of our tanks every time on anduin

Like honestly

Not having at least like 4 people stay on boss is troll

I see people that clearly have space stay away from boss

[hollow river]

Yeah 4 of us always stay in

It’s just instinct tbh

[oak sky]

Yeah

[hollow river]

I don’t move unless someone has the balls to stay on top of me

Then I’d move

[hollow escarp]

on our first heroic kill we were like 5-6 around boss in last phase without clearing blasphemy

and somehow nobody blew up

[oak sky]

Its called not moving

[hollow escarp]

yeah

it's hard for some people

[oak sky]

Some dh players struggle with that

[hollow river]

No demon hunters allowed

[hollow escarp]

even I struggle with that

[oak sky]

I just jump instead tbh

[hollow escarp]

you need some apm inflation while playing assa

[hollow river]

Bro on Anduin and Rygelon demon hunters be trolling blasphemy and the add soaks on Ryg

They dash through shit consistently

And we have 3 of them

[oak sky]

You should see my hops in combust bro im nice

I won't see heroic rygelon until like next week

[hollow river]

I’d prolly hate to play DH in this raid ngl

[oak sky]

I would hate to play dh

.

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Dh seems fine actually

[oak sky]

Momentum is only fun because you get to fel rush around and you feel like a wicked demon slayer

Normal dh is boring

Idrc about apm

[strange python]

this good ?

[hollow escarp]

yes

[oak sky]

Good trinky

[strange python]

how do i use it

i mean when do i use it for the stat gain

[hollow escarp]

on pull and 2nd use with vendetta again

[oak sky]

Im not tryna get a random eye beam after spamming demons bite chaos strike for 5 years

[strange python]

so line it up with v endetta

[hollow escarp]

if you play dusk, it will be just fine

[spice spire]

I find mfers like u really interesting bro

[hollow escarp]

since you get it at 5 min

[strange python]

still no 4 set

[hollow escarp]

trinket should still be good

[oak sky]

Catch me on my dk alt, I'm an opp

[spice spire]

Buddy

We both got the dk Alts

Quakethree my number 3 ya feel?

[oak sky]

Its level 50 but i cba to play it rn because its stuck on alliance

[hollow escarp]

@limber lion did you play venthyr on Guardian? I'm debating if I should go necrolord just for 1 boss

[oak sky]

Gonna be the main alt for sure tho

[limber lion]

We skipped most bosses

Just did tier

[hollow escarp]

I meant mythic

[spice spire]

Nah quakewar fun af

[limber lion]

Oh right

No, Necrolord

100%

[spice spire]

She’s #2

Expecting king tier

[hollow escarp]

yeah

[oak sky]

Dude the biggest downer of this raid is that we have to do vg every week no matter what

[spice spire]

Why

[limber lion]

It's pretty fun as Necro with Deathspike

I can bet on it

[oak sky]

Im talking about farm mostly

[limber lion]

Pretty much a m+ encounter

[hollow escarp]

how much boss damage?

[limber lion]

Yeh true

[hollow escarp]

I had 9.8k last week

[oak sky]

Idk i just find it to be a pretty borint fight

Boring

[soft merlin]

actually like this venthyr build

[spice spire]

Have an alt save lockout on farm fights with minimal gear gains

Then boot the alt and go in on main

[oak sky]

Ye idk

[spice spire]

We’ve been doing it

[oak sky]

At least tarragrue had the power gimmick and didnt suck

[spice spire]

I even have the lockout saved for friendly guilds n shit

[oak sky]

Would that work with mythic lockouts

Kinda doubt

[oak pulsar]

how long do we hold vendetta for flag im usually getting 10-15 seconds of time vendetta isnt on CD

[oak sky]

Always

[oak pulsar]

got it

[viscid spear]

Quake is our martyr

[spice spire]

Quakewar died for my sins

But still has 2p

[hollow river]

My worryer only has 1p

[viscid spear]

I also have 2pc

1pc + 1pc

[hollow river]

[gusty adder]

how do you guys even open on lords of dread with deeper and CT

feel like it takes so long for me to be "stable" and ready to vendetta

[slow marsh]

yeah don't wait for that

[gusty adder]

so just double garrote - snd, rapture, CT, vendetta and keep focus on main target - into 2nd target when possible?

not including builders

[slow marsh]

are you not playing necro?

[gusty adder]

i am

[slow marsh]

you should be able to just gar, sbs, gar, snd and yoru sbs should hit both

then muti rup vend shiv

and work from there

you don't want to waste all your subt gar time trying to build rup + ct on both i think

[hollow escarp]

[wild mural]

If you open like that on 2T do you want to tab rupture the off target at some point in that opener? Or is it suboptimal to do anything to that guy until you subt double garrote again?

Once vendetta is rolling on the primary target obv

[gusty adder]

thanks alot

[outer cairn]

@limber lion so overall, if not cov switching, would you say play venth or necro with 4pc?

[limber lion]

Necro for most bosses

Overall Necro is best

LIKE I HAVE SAID IN THE PIN

[north current]

what in spell rotation mean MFD?

[limber lion]

Marked for Death

[slow marsh]

sim doesn't put rup up until after

after shiv n stuff

[ripe gulch]

@limber lion

have you tried venth thoroughly?

with 4 piece

[subtle tundra]

he did

he raided hc venth

[ripe gulch]

how does he say it felt

[subtle tundra]

big dam

yea, necro is better for some bosses, but venth does the job even on those

[ripe gulch]

he played poison bomb on halond tho

[hollow escarp]

that was previous weeks

you can see he had 1 legendary

[ripe gulch]

oh

ye

mb

[lone junco]

for NF, ST, boss, subterfuge: when Sepsis runs out, refresh garrote right?

Im running Unity + MA ring. so the free Shadow blades looks like it will buff the subterfuge Garrote by 50%

[slow marsh]

no

hit ambush from sepsis

[hollow river]

that wouldn't be a Subterfuge garrote

right?

[oak sky]

Its not

[hollow river]

thought so

Sepsis stealth ability does not grant MA or Subt

[slow marsh]

SB only adds damage to the instant damage so if you hit gar out of sepsis you're wasting yoru subt gar and your sepsis proc

[hollow river]

just a free Ambush

[limber lion]

We didn't public log any kills

Felt really good

16.1k dps on Halondrus, 17k on Lihuvim, 15.4k on Rygelon

17.5k on Lords iirc

[obtuse robin]

thats all venth?

[outer cairn]

hmm. i tried to do gear compare sim to see and replaced my chest with tier to give me 4 piece then put duskwalker on and a 262 neck with marileth and still only simmed about 11.5

[limber lion]

Yes

[zinc frost]

[limber lion]

In comparison current public r1's are:
14.1k on Halondrus, 14.1k on Lihuvim and 13.1k on Rygelon

So improved each parse by over 2k and Lihuvim almost 3k

[outer cairn]

would we change necro talents around on st vs multi with 4pc or keep the same?

[limber lion]

Play the same except use CT on aoe

[outer cairn]

so basically down the middle except ST go Poison Bomb?

[limber lion]

wut

[outer cairn]

the talents listed are all down the middle except CT. FOr an AoE fight. I'm saying would we change those for a ST target fight

[lone junco]

ok this is what I was looking for.

seemed neat anyway

[limber lion]

Yes

and for st

you only use poison bomb

and change nothing else

[lone junco]

isnt seli using CT for Single with 4p?

[limber lion]

We're talking about Necrolord

You should use CT on single target as Venthyr, yes

Also you shouldn't really look at Seli's setup or try to copy it to be honest

[outer cairn]

ok. maybe its the tier pieces only being 252 but only simming at 11.5k

but i'm using gear compare cause i can't pick a tier piece in top gear

[limber lion]

He doesn't care about super optimal dps that often and usually plays a more chill build

[outer cairn]

ok 11.7 with poison bomb

thats still about 700 dps less than sub

what i'm simming now as sub with only 3pc

[lone junco]

this looks like what I was going for anyway. Sepsis drops, into vanish garrote.

[north current]

on single target then is best to refresh bleeds????

[outer cairn]

i think i just need to get 4pc so i can actually do a top gear sim and see

[north current]

then all duration finished or if left less like 5-6s with out 4 tier set pieces?

[mortal pike]

So theotar is only better if you hit a haste tea?

[hollow river]

you can sim it

profileset."primary"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=primary"
profileset."versatility"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=versatility"
profileset."crit"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit"
profileset."haste"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste"

[mortal pike]

okay thank you

[hollow river]

put that in there

[onyx raptor]

anyone happen to know how to sim the new flag playstyle on raidbots?

[obtuse robin]

new flag?

[onyx raptor]

yeah with the new haste snapshotting thingy

or i don't have to do anything special for it to work?

[lone junco]

ooo does the double run out rate of dots mean you run DS instead of Vigor?

[obtuse robin]

k thats not becuz opf flag its cuz of how 4pc workls

and thats already in the sim

[uneven hamlet]

some of it is already in, just sim nightly

[hollow river]

no i dont think it is

i don't think it's implemented yet

unless it was last night/today? afaik

[obtuse robin]

i thought it was just some cev rotation stuff that wasnt in

[mortal pike]

With duskwalkers what does the vendetta cd average out at?

[uneven hamlet]

cev magic part isn't I guess, but the rest might

[obtuse robin]

im pretty sure the koji stuff is in

[limber lion]

Most of it is already in

[hollow river]

Ooh

[limber lion]

But you shouldn't look at the rotation when quick simming your character

Just stick to the rotation in the pins

[hollow river]

50-60s

[normal mist]

today raid is being amazing LOL

[lone junco]

how is this guy running DS instead of Vigor but his energy graph looks like 170x

[obtuse robin]

whats it in m+

like 45?

[normal mist]

3 orange parses and a lot of big purple ones (normal)

[obtuse robin]

40

[limber lion]

It's the same

No

[mortal pike]

What's the best way to sync flag with it then?

[limber lion]

It's still 50-55s

[hollow river]

Just hold vendetta for flag

[limber lion]

That's just how the 4p works

You never play Vigor on any covenant ever with 4p

[mortal pike]

really damn okay

[lone junco]

sure. I can tell the Energy gain would cap

[mortal pike]

feels bad holding vendetta for 30 seconds haha

[hollow river]

???????

[lone junco]

it would push energy return like exang.

[onyx raptor]

i mean if you play venth you have flag every 70 sec or so

[hollow river]

Flag should be up roughly every minute

[onyx raptor]

so at most would be like 10-15 seconds? something like that?

[mortal pike]

I mean if you get vedentta down to 50 and its 70ish then 20 or so

but yea

not that bad I guess

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

Why 70ish

[uneven hamlet]

its so strange to go smashing envenoms to smashing cts brain can't keep up

[mortal pike]

Define roughly every minute then?

Its give or take a range around 60 seconds lol?

[hollow river]

Yes

It depends how many stacks you build during flag

That’s what dictates the amount of CDR you get on flag itself

You should be running MfD, and reliably getting 28-30 stacks every Flag

[limber lion]

You have Flag every ~62 seconds

And Vendetta every ~53 seconds

[hollow river]

^

[limber lion]

just hold

it's safe to do so everytime

With DOUBLE LEGENDARY AND 4P that is

[hollow river]

Peeponod

[mortal pike]

I didnt mean it felt bad...like it WAS bad to do. I didn't realize they sync'd up that closely.

things can feel bad and not be bad

[hollow river]

For sure

Lots of stuff feels bad

[mortal pike]

Outlaw is bad and sub feelsbad

[hollow river]

Casting FoK on 4 targets for 1 combo point 4 times in a row

[mortal pike]

so now im here after 4 set

[lost wharf]

Like playing #outlaw

[hollow river]

Feels bad

[mortal pike]

[hollow river]

Sub feels good to me idk

I’m really liking it

[mortal pike]

I like it in keys, I don't enjoy kyrian sub as much as I thought I would

I just want to play kyrian outlaw really

[lost wharf]

It's very engaging. So much stuff you got to pay attention to with 4pc.

[hollow river]

Yeah takes a bit to get used to

[lost wharf]

Getting rid of the bazillion pv stacks when 4pc procs with akaari on a few orbs on rygelon

4pc proccing back to back

Never hitting kyrian buffed cp

[onyx raptor]

the only problem i have with rogue is losing the tea from venth if you switch covenants too often

[mortal pike]

yea that blows lol

[hollow river]

They fixed the cool down of it though

Didn’t they

[mortal pike]

Still an hour no?

[lost wharf]

If they remove the cd you can just stand in oribos, keep swaping covs or soulbinds until you roll the buff you want

[onyx raptor]

yup cd still tehre

[hollow river]

No I meant

They fixed if you press Tea on the incorrect soul bind

[mortal pike]

Oh that yes

but if you go venth necro venth

its on cd and you lost it

[hollow river]

So don’t go venth necro venth

[mortal pike]

but what if you really want to

[hollow river]

Just do full clear as venth one week

[mortal pike]

I dunno it happens to me in keys

[hollow river]

Full clear as necro the next

[mortal pike]

I go necro assa for pf and then back to venth sub for everything else haha

keys etc

its kinda annoying

[hollow river]

.<

[mortal pike]

not the end of the world but yea

[lyric crater]

is neroc really the best covenant for most of the raid ?

[limber lion]

Yes

adds = necro better

[hollow river]

Anything with heavy adds or cleave yeah

[limber lion]

9/11 fights have adds

[limber lion]

not even

you don't need heavy adds

you need an add

[lyric crater]

cool and boo same time lol

[hollow river]

Find that hard to believe

[limber lion]

oki

[mortal pike]

I like necro

it feels good

[hollow river]

But like every fight in this raid with adds, has heavy or long living adds

[bleak sky]

I'd kinda trust cev on this one

[hollow river]

So I agree for these fights

For sure

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's bis covenant for sure

A lot of fun

[hollow river]

But if there’s an add that only spawns like twice a fight and dies in <10 seconds

[limber lion]

I would enjoy Night Fae the most, if it wasn't for Field of Blossoms

[hollow river]

How the hell can necro be better there

[lyric crater]

i like nerco to but it coveant lego is just crap ya 2 more charger no dps game reallyy

[bleak sky]

So you're asking about dasaugne

[mortal pike]

Something about the necro legendary is very satisfying

ima rock zoldy necro on guardian tonight

[oak sky]

Bro nf doesnt even have a minigame its just plug and play

[brazen zodiac]

yeah but like

2 charges!!! pog!!!

[hollow river]

Does that add only spawn twice?

Then sure

Just don’t see how literally 2 resets could give enough value to surpass Venthyr

[lyric crater]

at lease sbs get buff form T set

[mortal pike]

Is it same as usual as venth now with CT? Just keep it up like any other dot and envenom inbetween

[hollow river]

Yep

[limber lion]

But have you tried 4p NF

Oh yeh you haven't

but no joke

Sepsis is fucking amazing with 4p

[lyric crater]

huh CT is use in raid?

[limber lion]

It feels really good to press

It's like a 3s poison

that does 70k damage

It's an insane burst

[oak sky]

Idk it wouldve been fine but sepsis just does dam

[limber lion]

Like currently in PVP you can insta-shot anyone with 4p as NF

[oak sky]

I guess burst couldve been ok, but I'll never play it LOL

[hollow river]

The pin also says “with 4p double legendary Venthyr will likely be the covenant for us on ST and cleave encounters”

[lyric crater]

o ya NF is looking good for pvp with the T set if u can get it for pvp

[mortal pike]

Man your dots rot off so fast during opener with flag 4 piece. Literally like reapplying the second you get comob points back haha

[limber lion]

Yeh, your definition of cleave is just entirely different than to what we think

But yeh, it's true

Venthyr is better on Sausage

which is a cleave fight

but it's 100% worse on stuff like Lihuvim

[brazen zodiac]

what cleave mean to you, guessin deusuasage lady

or liviiuthm

i cant spell

[willow saddle]

Hey, looking to learn sin for Lords of dread and Pantheon, what legendary/covenant would you recommend for those fights specifically, i have 4 set

[hollow river]

I haven’t said anything about my definition of cleave

[limber lion]

1+1 is cleave

1+3 is not cleave

Yes you have

[brazen zodiac]

mhm sounds about right

[hollow river]

????

[limber lion]

Just yesterday you were arguing about it lol

but yeh all good

[hollow river]

You were arguing about it. I was discussing it.

[north current]

guys on weapons vs single target in raid what is better double stone, Oil/stone or both oils on weapons????

[zinc frost]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[brazen zodiac]

hey cev i was runnin some sims iceblades mentioned, was wondering if u could take a look at em

[north current]

ty

[grave trail]

how do you use necro with leggo, do u just hold all charges for gemstone proc then throw one every now and then to not cap

[brazen zodiac]

its 2t patchwork and hectic cleave, was tryna simmulate shit like guardian and livihthium

[mortal pike]

How long do you hold shiv for if your flag window is coming up soon?

[hollow river]

I assume we hold shiv up to 12 seconds for vendetta as always

But @limber lion would know for sure

[oak sky]

Yel

Yel

[bleak sky]

You seem a lil salty

[oak sky]

Yep

[brazen zodiac]

hi minal and agreon!!!

[bleak sky]

Waddup vita

[oak sky]

Hey

[hollow river]

Who

[brazen zodiac]

sleeping all day instead of playing wow

tisk isk tisk

[limber lion]

Yeh, you can send em

[brazen zodiac]

ty my good sir

[limber lion]

Without 4p, it's just the normal 12s rule.

The 4p changes the rules a bit and you want to sync stuff more aggressively

[brazen zodiac]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ocLCwpTjCHkmHf9GgZ6yxJ
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hvjFuUAuDj7VL46515cgHf

unsure why it says dusk in the 2t but not hectic cleave one, im sure theres a reason lmfao

im guessin this would probs be the "closest" thing to simming something for like lords, path, guardian etc

[mortal pike]

I thought that was a 1 target sim and was about to commit sepuku

[brazen zodiac]

not panth i meant

i needa go bck to sleep

[limber lion]

Yeah well, HecticAddCleave is a very specific type of Fight Style with constantly spawning add-waves that live for a short duration

So results with HAC are a bit over the place more often than not

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i read the lil simmin description it gives and looked up the video it was referencing but

still wasnt sure exactly haha thx

[limber lion]

But I would honestly just try simming 2T for Lords/Pantheon p1 and p2, 4T for Pantheon p3 and maybe HAC for Guardian.

[brazen zodiac]

ig thatd be rpetty good for guardian and livihithum

[limber lion]

I would highly recommend trying simming Zoldyck with HAC if you didn't

can't see all the results

[brazen zodiac]

i dont think i did actually

[limber lion]

Yeh

I can almost guarantee you it will pull through

[brazen zodiac]

i figured i wouldnt want to cause its not execute patchwork

[strange python]

lmao lihuvim just cant catch a break with his name

[limber lion]

Because HAC is pretty similar to a m+ encounter if you think about it

You go from pack to pack

from 4-5 mob packs over and over

[brazen zodiac]

i keep calling him leviathan irl tbh

man from hell apparently

[limber lion]

HAC just has that one chunky boy alive at all times

[strange python]

our raid lead is calling halondrous holondrius

halondrus*

O_O

[hollow river]

Hol on deez

[brazen zodiac]

we gettin the 4pc tonight gamers

pog

[hollow river]

Same

[brazen zodiac]

who asked

kidding ily trickz

have some of my 🍧

[oak sky]

Im not getting 4p tonight

[limber lion]

not with that attitude

[oak sky]

Fine

[mortal pike]

@limber lion Do you just never get an evenom in during flag window? feel like im barely making dot refreshes

My haste is looow

[oak sky]

Ill get it just in time to steal r1 on vigilant guardian mythic

[strange python]

i missed heroic reclear cuz school

[grave trail]

you dont want to pandemic the bleeds that are from during your 4 pc vendetta right

[strange python]

no 4 piece

[grave trail]

you let them expire?

[limber lion]

With 4p? Not much

[mortal pike]

Yea im talking from a 4p perspective, got it last night

[limber lion]

Maybe once in the entire window

[mortal pike]

fiddling with assa and it feels wild haha

[hollow river]

Def not

[mortal pike]

def not as in let them expire or def not as in...def not let them expire haha

[limber lion]

You want to refresh them during Vendetta

but let them drop after Vendetta ends

[grave trail]

yeah so no pandemic right, the bleeds that are empowered from vendetta that is

after vendetta is donezo

cool

[outer cairn]

do we take Plagueys preemptive on marileth or the potency conduit?

[mortal pike]

debating between duskwalkers or zoldyck for guardian tonight

[grave trail]

thats gonna take a while to get used to

[mortal pike]

So are you trying to go out of your way for a full refresh right as vendetta is ending?

[hollow river]

Yes

[strange python]

Getting sat for pantheon so our warrior can do 13k. Cringe.

[fathom flax]

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/necrolord-assassination-rogue-covenant-best-soulbinds-shadowlands

[grave trail]

yeah and then u let those fall off the "empowered ones" so u dont refresh during pandemic

if i understood correctly

[outer cairn]

yeah it says potency and pins says marileth for st

[grave trail]

man why are cev logs private, how am i gonna study

[hollow river]

thought we go herimir ST o.O

[outer cairn]

says marileth st herimir sustained adds

Soulbind: Marileth on ST/Addwaves (3 potencies), Heirmir on sustain targets with gemstones (2 potencies)
Conduits: Sudden Fractures > Lethal Poisons > Well-Placed Steel

[hollow river]

Oo

[outer cairn]

i'm doing a top gear right now. i'm not sure how i'm getting such low numbers

[balmy condor]

All 3 necro binds are super close

[outer cairn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rPi6iFZUpjVXKKimjf3cZ5

[limber lion]

Yeh, as long as you don't play Emeni you're gucci

[outer cairn]

scratching my head

i mean i could replace the neck with a 262

[limber lion]

How about you don't sim Necrolord that doesn't get any benefit from double legendary at all

[bleak sky]

But LBE tech

[limber lion]

and try simming Venthyr/Night Fae instead

[bleak sky]

[balmy condor]

Why are you running subt deeper without 4 piece

[limber lion]

Like the sim is just all over the place

[balmy condor]

Wait and duskwalkers

What is this

[outer cairn]

see thats the problem. i need 4pc. i wanna see what it would be with 4

[balmy condor]

Did you just forget you didn’t have 4 piece or something

[bleak sky]

You wanted to see what it's like with 4pc but you don't have 4pc?

[outer cairn]

i tried to do it under gear compare but that was being a pain

as reference https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ocLCwpTjCHkmHf9GgZ6yxJ

running sub and ds

w/out 4

[lyric crater]

whispyr dum question is CT being taken over posion bomb for ST fights now?

[limber lion]

Bruh

That's 2 targets

Like a completely different thing

[outer cairn]

i asked this early about ST and said its still the same just take poison bomb

[limber lion]

bruh

[bleak sky]

2t is not single target

[limber lion]

I'm at a loss

[fathom flax]

Stwo target

[limber lion]

Your entire build is different with and without 4p

[uneven hamlet]

thats why hes simming 15k wihour 4pc

[limber lion]

You can't play a 4p build with all the 4p things

if you don't have 4p

[uneven hamlet]

I was all over checking his gear lmao

[limber lion]

If you remove my 4p, I would lose like 3k dps

but I can change my build

so I end up only losing 1k

[plain jetty]

I mean I only aim like 12.6k with 4p

[limber lion]

I'm 14.8

[plain jetty]

I’m sure you’re better geared than me and probably a better player

[oak sky]

4p is normally like a 2kish gain over not

[outer cairn]

so what is it on 2pc?

[bleak sky]

Better player doesn't have anything to do with the sims

Link your sim, 12.6 seems awfully low

[plain jetty]

Ok let me go pull it back up

[limber lion]

Alright I'll do a quickie resim for you

[outer cairn]

then i assume its still MA and vigot

vigor

[bleak sky]

Vigor

[fathom flax]

I missed you guys

[grave trail]

ceverion are you using marileth most fights?

[outer cairn]

i'm asking cause idk

[limber lion]

As Necrolord, yes

Whenever I play Necro that is

[grave trail]

ok thank you

[limber lion]

Heirmir on Pantheon

[grave trail]

any particular reason

ok gotcha

ty boss

[limber lion]

It's just better on single and with add-waves

for me

it might sim a bit differently for you

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5fdjkyGCCsEjHsWemHzq2J

[plain jetty]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jgTSWhwvFLfeba8sc6iedg

[limber lion]

Here's your new sim

Got you 1k more dps

[limber lion]

You're not playing the right talents or soulbind

[grave trail]

how bad is a 13,900 sim with 4pc

as venthyr

[bleak spoke]

exactly like mine

[plain jetty]

i can sim nightfae

[outer cairn]

oof. thats still 1400 less than my sub

[limber lion]

Not bad

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aFZyvTPLhjdcnZLhxr3ByF

Here's a sim for you

once it finishes

[grave trail]

ty u guys are awesome

[bleak spoke]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9DiBJUMmCD9PNWNkZYCzt2 not exactly but

it's pretty unluckky

[grave trail]

nice ilevel

[obtuse robin]

cev working overtime

[limber lion]

got you to 13k

still need better gear and better trinkets for one

[bleak spoke]

oh wait this sim doesn't have my new mittens on

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pKbuiDMJPWFy9wSCEuY7tZ

Here's my current sim

[grave trail]

272 dagger and 265 sigil

[limber lion]

you can take some inspiration from it if you want

[plain jetty]

Is it MFD because of how it interacts with vendetta?

[bleak spoke]

my guild is actually so fried, we have full tier pieces for our monks/rogue/war

[limber lion]

We always play MFD as Venthyr

because of Flagellation/Obedience

[bleak spoke]

but we were missing 2p until yesterday on 2 people

[plain jetty]

I’m not exactly married to venthyr tbh

[limber lion]

Just go NF or NL

[plain jetty]

I have all 4 at 80

[bleak spoke]

dagger was upgrade from a key via valor

sigil was nice though

[plain jetty]

NL on multi target or both ST and cleave?

[bleak spoke]

got looted to me week 2

[limber lion]

On every fight except Halondrus, Skolex, Jailer and maybe Sausage

Play around with it

Have some fun

[outer cairn]

Even with 4pc I still feel like my Sub is going to sim significantly higher than what I can get with Sin. Or maybe not. 1400 right now seems like a huge difference between the two for just one piece of gear

[bleak spoke]

ugh i'm so jealous of the jeweled signet cev

[grave trail]

its so annoying having to swap covenants mid raid lol

[brazen zodiac]

necro>>>

@spice spire im a necro follower now

[bleak spoke]

but i was kinda raidlogging during legion m+ timewalking

[grave trail]

unless ur mythic progging

[limber lion]

"one piece of gear"

[glass tulip]

any idea why a duskwalker's loop is not in gear compare for raidbots?

[limber lion]

when talking about a difference between 3p

and 4p

smh

[obtuse robin]

[limber lion]

bruh

You need to sim the legendary base item

[bleak spoke]

we've been doing the thing where when a boss dies mage immediately drops a portal and epople who have to go have to go

[limber lion]

which you add the recipe to

[bleak spoke]

and everyone has thing set to haven

[limber lion]

So grimveiled ring

or whatever the fuck it's called

[glass tulip]

shadowghast

[bleak spoke]

hearthstone, that's the thing*

[outer cairn]

I guess I just need to wait to get it and then see

[limber lion]

Shadowghast ring

That's the one

[glass tulip]

im dumb somtimes

[grave trail]

any disadvantage of having ur hearthstone set to covenant instead?

[limber lion]

You sim that and it has a popup for all recipes

[bleak spoke]

sometimes we get people back fast enough for them to do trash, cuz locks drop closet + mage drops the portal insta basically haha

[limber lion]

No, it's the best choice because it automatically changes with you when you change covenant

[grave trail]

if u get summoned that is

ok

[plain jetty]

I’m still a relatively new rogue player so I’m just trying different things and seeing what feels good

[limber lion]

Yeh just stick to Sub

That's fine

[fathom flax]

Why not pantheon

Wait wait no

[limber lion]

bruh

[fathom flax]

No I’m a big dumb

[limber lion]

yes

[fathom flax]

Hahahahahaha

[bleak spoke]

on mythic people literally swap pull to pull for us, so we've gotten really fast with the closets lmao

and the trick is to summon yourself before you leave

so you don't have to spam 1 in raid chat

[outer cairn]

well that's the plan then when i get 4 piece i can sim and see the differences

[oak sky]

Yeah its not really that bad if everyone goes quick and doesnt swap on every single boss

[limber lion]

Yeh that's what I do whenever I forget about something

I just summon myself

You definitely should swap on Mythic

[bleak spoke]

yeh we're still swapping cuz my guildies enjoy the parsing or whatever, but its gotten so that we basically pull bosses within the minute of reaching it, god bless

[limber lion]

but it's fine not to do that on heroic/normal if people get annoyed by it

But we're private parsing every difficulty, so they just want to zoom most of the time

[bleak spoke]

any venthyr lords of dreads gamers

[limber lion]

I did that today

Was fine

[bleak spoke]

yeah it wasn't awful

it just felt weird

[limber lion]

Did like 3k more than my previous parse

as Venth

[bleak spoke]

cuz bonespike feels so nice

god i'm gonna miss bonespike next expansion

[oak sky]

For prog absolutely, but I think its alright to play the same covenant for a couple bosses you would call viable as long as its not big troll in farm

[bleak spoke]

that button is so cool

[oak sky]

But thats a ways iff

Off

[limber lion]

Definitely

[brazen zodiac]

i feel kinda troll runnin mfd as necro in m+

2 many cps

[limber lion]

You shouldn't run MFD ever as Necro

[bleak spoke]

wait holy shit i just realized you have a 278 dagger cev

that's so sick

[brazen zodiac]

yeah

[limber lion]

Yeh

[fathom flax]

This specifically has been complained about

[limber lion]

Got it from my first vault

[brazen zodiac]

i just wanted to see haha

[limber lion]

Had a choice of a second 278 dagger today

[bleak spoke]

[limber lion]

didn't take it

:p

[oak sky]

Hes not alone

[bleak spoke]

mayun

counting down till mythic rygelon

[limber lion]

yuuuup

[fathom flax]

I’ve been sub cucked and I miss ass

[bleak spoke]

daggerless?

oh

i see what you mean

yeah idk, my sub sim isn't actually better than my sin one by alot because i have an HC dagger in my offhand

[limber lion]

I'm pretty sure I sim more on assa now than I do as Sub

[agile geode]

Even with EoN?

[ebon notch]

how much lower is nf supposed to be than venth now

[agile geode]

300 DPS more or less

[limber lion]

Yes

[agile geode]

good

when this "change" will be implemented?

[hollow river]

guys

[limber lion]

Most of it has been implemented

[agile geode]

in sims i mean

ok thx

[hollow river]

we're 4 piece gaming

[limber lion]

But we're still fixing up the rotation

[limber lion]

Grats!

[hollow river]

[agile geode]

but why it wasnt discover before? what was the gap?

[hollow river]

tyty

[agile geode]

missing 1 last piece

[limber lion]

Koji introduced some things that change how haste snapshotting works in the sims

To better reflect how it works in-game

[agile geode]

understood thanks

@fleet anchor thanks friend

obv a necro brother

[limber lion]

Or more accurately changed how haste affects bleed tick rate and when the change happens.

[limber lion]

This change pushed Venthyr as the best covenant

by far

[agile geode]

yy

[limber lion]

[agile geode]

i mean a necro brother made that discover

cuz who love necro is a good person

[ebon notch]

thats a sick rhyme

[limber lion]

Well technically I made the discovery

[agile geode]

[limber lion]

He just made the haste tick rate work better

Which caused Venthyr to go bonkers

[agile geode]

i like venthyr a lot too

[ebon notch]

cev programmed my washing machine to make bolognese

hees a genius

[agile geode]

venthyr / necro with this tier set is amazing to play

im from Bologna btw

[ebon notch]

im sry to hear that

[agile geode]

ahahah

[buoyant pilot]

Yo sin 4 set gameplay feels so good

I recon they'll put in the dot consume increase in next exp either default or talent

[agile geode]

i hope so

[buoyant pilot]

For vandetta

[oak sky]

[fleet anchor]

[brazen zodiac]

on livithium, would you wanna save like 3+ charges of sbs for add phases

[limber lion]

Yes, on every single encounter you want to save up bonespikes for any potential adds that might come up

[umbral tulip]

So necro still better on lords and pantheon u think or?

[limber lion]

Yes

[brazen zodiac]

ah ok thx

[umbral tulip]

I was kind of looking forward to try NF so I’m a bit sad ngl but cool discovery for sure

[limber lion]

I mean you can definitely still play NF

You need to play Venthyr really well to take full advantage of it

[brazen zodiac]

i thought it was just casting ct then vendetta

XD

[obtuse robin]

get ur stuff up then press ven shiv

done?

refresh when about to expire

[brazen zodiac]

uninstall if one falls off

[obtuse robin]

dont refresh ven bleeds after it expires

hold shiv for vens

[limber lion]

It's just about properly playing around all timers, not intentionally overlapping bleeds too much when trying to extend them, playing around cooldowns properly, taking advantage of fight length and so on

A lot of moving parts

Whereas NF is just the same logic all the way through

The entire covenant working around 30s timers

[obtuse robin]

outside of not pressing ven/shiv/flag in certain combo's what would be the biggest fuck up

[umbral tulip]

Does flag line up with vendetta perfectly with this build?

[slow marsh]

never

[oak sky]

No

[slow marsh]

10s diffy

[umbral tulip]

Do you hold then?

[oak sky]

You always sync them though

[slow marsh]

ye you hold

[oak sky]

You should pretty much always be holding vendetta unless something weird happens

[placid cobalt]

looking at the latest pin, are we actually playing crimson in ST? not a typo?

[oak sky]

Yup

[umbral tulip]

What’s the rule now with dusk as necro with holding shiv for vendetta? Since I can’t really say 13 seconds anymore when it gets reduced

[placid cobalt]

thats cool

[umbral tulip]

Wasn’t sure what to do on lords today

[oak sky]

Yeah you should still hold shiv around 12-13s for vendetta

[limber lion]

With 4p you pretty much use 1 Shiv with Vend, 1 Shiv without Vend and then Shiv with Vend again

Vend Shiv
Shiv
Vend Shiv
Shiv

[oak sky]

Oh are we always trying to shiv right at the start or same old rules

[umbral tulip]

Yeah I assume the old way was so u could get a whole shiv in vendetta still

Not necessarily at the start

[limber lion]

Just Vend Shiv everytime

And Shiv right after when it's off cooldown to buff up the extended bleeds a bit

then hold the next Shiv

[strange python]

my small brain

[umbral tulip]

My weakauras dont understand the pandemics during vendetta, is there any way to fix that or do I have to think for myself

[limber lion]

Yes, I've done it to my weakauras

[umbral tulip]

What did you do?

[glass tulip]

They just get cut in half, right?

[limber lion]

It's very simple

Here's my garrote 9.2 triggers/conditions:

That's it

Trigger 1 being the garrote itself

The condition just checks for Vendetta, if Vendetta is on target, then it glows when the duration is 2.7 instead of 5.4

[umbral tulip]

Thanks dude, I should be able to add this to afenars pack then

[limber lion]

Yeh, I use Afenars as well

Quite a bit modified version though but yeh

[ebon notch]

btw cev, i took your plater profile and copied the SBS module from it so that i could implement it in my own profile

but it didnt seem to work?

[limber lion]

Good

[umbral tulip]

One more question now that I got you, do you have a custom sim profile for pantheon? I heard about that but can’t find it

[ebon notch]

i followed the module to the wago page and reimported it

did you make modifications to it when you made yours

[limber lion]

It was just a sim that had 2 targets and added 2 more targets at 50% hp

nothing special

but the answer is the same for anyone trying to sim something like that

Play Zoldycks

[umbral tulip]

[limber lion]

Oh I missed this, which boss was this?

[mortal pike]

Does cache bleed sacle with shiv

[limber lion]

No

[ebon notch]

turns out because of my colourblindness i just couldnt tell that the nameplates werent changing

works fine

[fathom finch]

What happened to the #assassination-faq ?

[bleak sky]

elaborate

[fathom finch]

Look at the FAQ's in the left column. The Sin FAQ is gone.

[bleak sky]

?

[limber lion]

No it's npt

[fathom finch]

Outlaw and Sub is there.

[limber lion]

Yoy literally just pinged it

[bleak sky]

[fathom finch]

Oh for crying out loud.

[limber lion]

This ping wouldn't work if it wasn't there

Man's tripping

[fathom finch]

The FAQ list was up, and it was showing Outlaw and Sub, but not Sin....then I changed it and it's there.

[umbral tulip]

[limber lion]

Welp

[fathom finch]

<sigh> How's Sin holding up in the new Raid compared to the other specs?

[amber fossil]

just wondering... as necro with unity and no tier bonus it is so easy to overcap cp's. Is it viable to swap vigor for deeper?

[bleak sky]

sin good

[limber lion]

Very well, same level as sub

[fathom finch]

I'm considering doing a spec change.

[fathom flax]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ocbpgPfmhFu8GEV6jpQj53

[bleak spoke]

dausegne hc haha

[limber lion]

Better on some fights, worse on some

[fathom flax]

not the best but still good

[limber lion]

Oh ya nice

[bleak spoke]

i got beat by someone with 5 simp buffs today

and only by 200 dps

[limber lion]

We didn't kill Sausage tonight unofrtunately

But I think I'd be around 17k dps with current setup

[umbral tulip]

U got the only tier lockout tech already?

[bleak spoke]

i will say when you have the blades buff as nf

[limber lion]

Yeh

[bleak spoke]

it's so nice to triple garrote

and have full combo points

[umbral tulip]

We got that for normal only so far

[slow marsh]

Raid leader brezzes hunter twice instead of me. makes sense right

[bleak spoke]

i miss shrouded suffocation so much

[slow marsh]

\

[fathom flax]

its coz hes not playing survival

[slow marsh]

Healer asks who has cd's and I say I do. Hunter says he doesn't res someone else

Rl says shut the fuck up

mil has immunity

i say i do too

shu thte fuck up

someone get me out of here

[bleak spoke]

wtf LOL

[limber lion]

I would leave

[bleak spoke]

why

[fathom flax]

just let it all out mate

[limber lion]

No reason to stay

[bleak sky]

4 min fight needing an immunity

[fathom flax]

were here for you

[bleak sky]

tf is that

[bleak spoke]

are they like that

[limber lion]

I wouldn't play in a toxic ass guild like that

[slow marsh]

idk this guild is just stupid af

i'm leaving i just need to find a home first

[umbral tulip]

If he said he isn’t even playing sub I would respect it

What boss is this though?

[amber fossil]

plz and ty

[slow marsh]

desaus

[umbral tulip]

Mythic?

[bleak spoke]

it's not 4 minutes on mythic

[fathom flax]

it's at least 4.5minutes

[umbral tulip]

Is this even a kill

[slow marsh]

it lasted another minute

this is when i died tho

[umbral tulip]

I can’t tell

[slow marsh]

ye it was

[bleak spoke]

oh

wait how is that sub rogue

doing that poorly

[fathom flax]

no procs clearly

[bleak spoke]

wat

[umbral tulip]

[slow marsh]

this was whole fight

the hunter on bottom got rezzed twice

[fathom flax]

nf or double port venthyr for sausage

i am progging it tonight

[limber lion]

Either is fine

[mortal pike]

is cache always bleed for assa ?

[fathom flax]

ass would pull ahead for it because of the lower uptime % right

and sub suffering greatly from time off boss

by comparison

wait no he has 99.8% nvm

lol

[wide ridge]

we starting lords prog now

yall go vigor deeper or mfd

with necrolord of course

[oak sky]

Subt deeper ct

[wide ridge]

bro necrolord with unity feels so good wtf

[wide ridge]

word, thanks

[amber fossil]

finish at 5 or 6 cp?

[wide ridge]

i imagine max -1

[misty holly]

Last night I enchanted my rings to mastery because the sim said so.

I feel dirty.

[slow marsh]

wowprog has been updated boys let's go

seems to be a thing now

[bleak sky]

updated what

I'm looking at it and it looks like the same old garbo website built in 1992

[unborn needle]

Is it still Shadowcore Oil and Phantom Fire for raid?

[wide ridge]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[bleak sky]

never has been

[slow marsh]

i meant mine has

[bleak sky]

oooo

icebladesx on a mission

[past bobcat]

Sin rogue lego for dreads?

[wide ridge]

zoldyuck

and unity, of course

[past bobcat]

what do i craft on?

[wide ridge]

legs can be tier so

i crafted on feet

[past bobcat]

zold when using venth too?

[wide ridge]

you go necrolord on lords

[past bobcat]

Dont have it leveled on venth and kry

so still zold?

[wide ridge]

yes

[zinc frost]

Duskwalkers will most likely be better with 4pc for dreadlords

[past bobcat]

I have 4 pc

[wide ridge]

o

lucky

then i'd probably go dusk

[past bobcat]

on ring i assume

[strange python]

:( wasted money on zoldy pog

[wide ridge]

ye

[past bobcat]

ct or posion bomb?

[wide ridge]

ct

[past bobcat]

godbless

anything else i should kno