assassination

[pearl ingot]

Once you have been one of us…

[brazen zodiac]

havent simmed it yet but im guessin bloodoath ring gonna be fairly good?

[oak sky]

Its not even raging

[slow marsh]

I would sim everything **cuz mastery looking juice now

[brazen zodiac]

good point xd

[oak sky]

Pretty sure mastery is a you need some but not more kinda thing

[slow marsh]

It's like filler

[oak sky]

Yeah

[slow marsh]

after some crit haste it starts going crit mast

[oak sky]

Bloodoath is pretty good though

[brazen zodiac]

nice

[slow marsh]

indeed it is

[oak sky]

I have 278 rn

[slow marsh]

Also I think it changes a bit depending on your cov which is

[brazen zodiac]

also got engraved amp neck from taz wonder if thats gonna be good too lul

probs too much crit

[oak sky]

Crits fine

[slow marsh]

crit is honestly never "wrong" with venth too

[brazen zodiac]

mhm

[timid cloud]

Also lowkey…

Sin in PF & TOP especially feels so good now.

Deathspike on all of these bosses let’s you smash so hard.

Especially Gorechop, you know you get full resets…

So you’re just doing like 20k+ ST

[rigid tartan]

Holy shit can’t wait to try that

[shy quest]

whats the second legendary with venthyr?

[brazen zodiac]

guess im doin somethign wrong >.<

[subtle tundra]

pf/top/streets are good for sin
everything else involves big aoe -> not good for sin

[civic granite]

!guide$

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[timid cloud]

I also think it smart targets? I’ve never used Deathspike before now, so I don’t know for sure. But I was being lazy with that too. Since I just target gorechop & hit my spike button because burrrrr 5000000 charges. But if the fresh adds came in, if I hit one, it’d hit the other instead of gorechop because he already had a spike on him. But I usually just sent it on Gorechop because I was too lazy to target swap back & forth a lot of the time.

[gray fjord]

Deathspike has some unit ID that it goes off of for picking who the second spike is, so it will always cleave onto the same target if nothing moves out of range of your primary target

[alpine latch]

So, for Sin and the new ST optimizations - is the play still to run Unity + Dusk

[timid cloud]

[echo geyser]

deathspike has low cleave range (2nd thrown spike) + no smart target

[tight ginkgo]

is the behavior for deathspike the same as splitting ice?

[echo geyser]

no

splitting ice is way better

[bleak sky]

yes sir

[echo geyser]

if only deathspike was like that

[tight ginkgo]

Okay ha I wasn't sure. I dont play mage so I was curious Thanks, Ram

[echo geyser]

you'd think u could copy paste

[gray fjord]

Yeah I wish Deathspike prioritized hitting new targets without the bleed every time

[timid cloud]

It just straight up felt güüt.

[echo geyser]

but we have to go back and forth 4times to buy 278 conduits

[alpine latch]

Nice. Whether I stay Sub for the tier or not I still have to get KSM on all 3 specs so I gotta make Dusk eventually

[echo geyser]

so im not surprised

[bleak sky]

that would make too much sense

[celest marlin]

wait so is there some new imba 4p tier set assa spec that is better then sub?

[bleak sky]

no

[pearl ingot]

Equal to sub

[timid cloud]

We’re still in Sin copium.

[subtle tundra]

there's vendor in oribos!

[echo geyser]

yeah but its unique

and u have to learn it for all covs in the forge

[subtle tundra]

tru

[modest glen]

still crafting unity 291 on wrists right?

[naive dagger]

that's wild, im 99% sure the 200 ilvl catchup item last patch worked for all covenants

[oak sky]

Damn i thought it was 1 and done

[timid cloud]

I’m pretty sure the 200 ilevel conduits definitely was for all 4 covenants as well.

All of the keys seem really free now.

Might do that 20 Streets & 20 Gambit.

[hollow river]

It wasn’t but I think you could buy 4 at once

Iirc

[hollow river]

Ye

[timid cloud]

I'mma go check right now.

[spice spire]

Check DN

[balmy condor]

How bout you kill DN (denathrius)

[spice spire]

Been trying

Need that mythic vessel you feel

[alpine latch]

Yo, wanna do some more m+ tonight?

lol

[ripe gulch]

can u get tier piece from weekly?

[limber lion]

No

[uneven summit]

So to sim between covenants you gotta just put in the soulbinds right? Does that influence unity also?

[ripe gulch]

the timewalking quest

aww

[alpine latch]

I believe you have to do a "copy" in advanced sims, but I could be wrong

[bleak sky]

yep

[spice spire]

Raid tonight, king. Otherwise yeah

[alpine latch]

Booo

[spice spire]

Double leggos are nice

[alpine latch]

They are

We didn't get a single reclaim last night on Halo

Granted it's only normal, but we shaved off like 1:35 from our kill time

[spice spire]

I’m sure we will

[balmy condor]

Yeah just change soulbinds

Changes everything

[spice spire]

Might even fuck around and go venth (no shot)

[brazen zodiac]

oh shit look out quakes goin ventyhr

real badass

[spice spire]

I have before

[brazen zodiac]

u betrayed the necro cov

traitor

[spice spire]

But I’m a bastion of NL gaming

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[spice spire]

Sometimes you gotta do what’s best for a key/see what venthyr is like on Sylvanas

[timid cloud]

Get gaslit into Venthyr.

[pearl ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/storm-trooper-traitor-starwars-gif-15518569

[oak sky]

Gaslit into fae

[spice spire]

Buddy, I s2g I’ll make NF propaganda

[timid cloud]

[echo geyser]

yeah, thats what i heard

but this 278 is not

[naive dagger]

bliz pls just copy paste, change the name and ilvl

[timid cloud]

I'm actually legit checking on my fresh toons that haven't touched other covenants.

Otherwise it'll live rent-free in my head like playing ||Night Fae||

[echo geyser]

im -6k gold from conduits man

[tacit spindle]

in 2s do you guys think necro assasination is better with a healer than venthyr sub

[timid cloud]

#pvp

We only slay Dragons in here.

[oak sky]

Noooooooo

[hollow river]

NF homie

[gusty mirage]

hey man could be worse

I think I have some gold on my EU druid if you want me to reimburse you for the false hope

[drifting forge]

my iqd sims from droptimizer went through the roof with the new venthyr snapshot build

and I am very sad because I dont like the cube

[slow marsh]

then don't use it

[echo geyser]

[drifting forge]

but number go high

[gusty mirage]

just trying to make things right 😦

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

Bro if iqd is close to any other trinket like within 50 dps its probably worth not playing just because it would tilt me from giving out mana

[uneven summit]

Do we know the difference between venthyr/necrolord with the new info in pinned?

on st

[hollow river]

Probably pretty big difference on ST

Deathspike gives 0 ST

Check whispyr’s spreadsheet for necro ST output

New Venthyr sims are capping out at 17k

[balmy condor]

Need to resim

[hollow river]

Why

[spice spire]

Back to the basement.
Meanwhile I’ll be in the basement of the basement begging rogues to use defensives on mechanics

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Log watching is a new extreme this tier

[hollow river]

Uh oh

Your raid?

[spice spire]

That + bos stuff

[hollow river]

Ooh

[limber lion]

because of Deathspike Necrolord is already behind by 1k

so slap another 300 dps there

[uneven summit]

true true

[soft merlin]

@limber lion what bosses will you play venthyr on?

[gusty mirage]

hey it gives 38 dps

[limber lion]

Halondrus, Skolex, Dausegne, maybe Lihu/Arti

[hollow river]

Yeah and exsanguinate is bis

[spice spire]

2 extra spikes

Huge

Dam

[gusty mirage]

more kevin*

huge dam

I'm not playing mfd anymore

and none of you can make me

[spice spire]

Broke: looking for Kevin buff
Woke: dumping your load during a crit window

[gusty mirage]

I'd rather just play sub for skolex & halondrus

[hollow river]

I’m not pressing fok on pantheon

And none of you can make me

[soft merlin]

thanks

[grim parcel]

Thoughts on 278 totem? I have a 262 one already. Rest was shit, could take pieces to catalyst tier instead

[gusty mirage]

you don't enjoy 1-2cp from fok?

[spice spire]

Totem good

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

you got plenty of time to worry about catalyst tier

[oak sky]

Why are you guys like this

[gusty mirage]

doesn't open up for another 2 weeks

[grim parcel]

278 totem and 278 phial it is then

[gusty mirage]

why am I like what

[grim parcel]

Ty bros

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

I've already come to accept that I won't be top of the meters as assassination, so I'm going to play something I enjoy

shocking, I know

[oak sky]

Play nf don't be a lussy

Pussy

[gusty mirage]

fuck night fae

[hollow river]

Goated feeltcafters? We’re born this way

[spice spire]

Feint more, king, damn

[timid cloud]

Stop trying to gaslight my boy.

[oak sky]

Petition to rename it "it doesn't feel goodcraft"

[timid cloud]

[timid cloud]

Yes you will, King, here, you dropped this. 👑

[gusty mirage]

[brazen inlet]

anyone think you can get two vendettas on remnant of a fallen king?

[gusty mirage]

how long does the LK phase last usually?

note to self check fight timers more

[oak sky]

Not 1:20

So one vendetta

I think its around a minute though

[strange python]

Wait so how desynced are flag and vend with the new tech? Do we hold one for the other?

[brazen inlet]

yeah it’s a little bit over a minute i may try and see if i can get vendetta slightly lower than a minute with the lust and other benefits

[timid cloud]

You have to get really lucky.

If you’re doing burn strat.

[oak sky]

I'm gonna say around 10s off each other, and we always sync them

[strange python]

Not too bad. Really fucking hate mfd tho

[hollow river]

Why do people hate mfd I don’t get it

[strange python]

Just doesn't feel good

Same reason I prefer vigor to DS

[hollow river]

_>

It’s another button to press

For a “free” finisher

[strange python]

DS feels heinous when you lowroll two muts and can't finisher.

Meh

[hollow river]

It’s a dope button

[timid cloud]

MFD is really not that complicated.

[strange python]

Who said complicated

[oak sky]

DS is great you have long bleeds and big dam

[soft merlin]

MFD is good but playing with Vigor feels more nice

[hollow river]

But vigor is boring

The only time you even notice not having Vigor is on the opener anyway

[soft merlin]

True

[strange python]

I don’t like mfd much either

I’ll live

[soft merlin]

Getting that first garrote of feels like ages

[hollow river]

[strange python]

I liked using it on the anduin copies for reset

[oak sky]

I always belf before garrote

In opener

[timid cloud]

It's...just like pressing muti except for 100% get 5 CP...

Not playing Troll for Haste master race Snapshotting Tech...????????????

[strange python]

Trolls are disgusting

lmfao

[timid cloud]

Just simply ignore the feet.

[soft merlin]

How much do you guys sim with 4p ST?

[hollow river]

Not using mfd is disgusting

[timid cloud]

What are you, a foot fetishist?

[tropic quiver]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[timid cloud]

[strange python]

Wait how does night elf work

Do you get a free vanish

With the racial >_>

Or does it not count

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

It used to work like that, still should.

[strange python]

Damn that’s kinda crazy ?

[alpine latch]

Since when? I thought it didn't proc MA?

[timid cloud]

It's not for MA, it's for Subterfuges, IIRC

[alpine latch]

Ohhhh

That I don't know about

[strange python]

still pretty cool

[alpine latch]

I just remember it not proccing MA

[strange python]

If true

[oak sky]

Anti mfd mfs be like "I can't handle pressing 3 buttons a minute instead of 2"

[timid cloud]

I can get fact checked but that was what I recall people did for Garrotes in NYA

[iron orchid]

it doesn't work with subterfuge

it worked with Shrouded suffocation in n ya

[oak pulsar]

have they said anything about hotfixing unity/vendetta yet?

[timid cloud]

Maybe that's what it was, my apologies then, hazy memory sometimes.

[hollow river]

Hot fixing what exactly

[timid cloud]

Yeah, they're about to Hotfix FOK only giving 1 CP soon too! (A joke.)

[oak pulsar]

people said vendetta wasnt getting its cd reduction

[timid cloud]

[oak pulsar]

flag

[hollow river]

I think that was flag not vendetta

[grim topaz]

yaeh I was struggling earlier today

[oak pulsar]

yes sorry miswrote tried to edit failed

[hollow river]

You just have to unequip and log out and do some weird shit

[grim topaz]

when I was testing it I had a 45 sec gap between the 2

[hollow river]

It’s definitely bugged for some reason

[timid cloud]

Wait wat. Did I miss that.

[hollow river]

Apparently switching covenants causes it idk

[timid cloud]

No wonder I'm getting single digit parses.

[oak pulsar]

hopefully its comes with anduin fixes today last night normal anduid was doing mythic mechanics too

[grim topaz]

so basicly I was contemplating putting in a vendetta between the 2 flags

[hollow river]

[timid cloud]

[hollow river]

You can fix it

[grim topaz]

but we have to remember, that it's a small indie company, and we have to accept alot of flaws ❤️

[timid cloud]

No really though, I'm gonna get mad fucking paranoid about that now.

[hollow river]

Just unequip your leggos, exit game, log in and equip Unity first and test

[timid cloud]

Gonna test on a turnip every 10 minutes.

[grim topaz]

@hollow river will try

[hollow river]

Also try clearing your games cache apparently worked for some

[timid cloud]

Btw, that 200 conduit thing? It does work for all covenants.

[hollow river]

Idk if flag was bugged for me last night during raid

I was too exhausted to notice

[grim topaz]

check logs?

[timid cloud]

That moment when the 200 conduit is more reliable than the 278 one.

[hollow river]

🧢

[hollow river]

Not at home atm

[brazen zodiac]

im likin the new guardian one where nobody can pick up the orb

very nice

[hollow river]

Yeah we had that last night too

[timid cloud]

https://i.gyazo.com/4a9ce957b07f1457b84fabe27f6bbb18.png

[brazen zodiac]

everyone's gotta try to click it one at a time and hope for the best

[hollow river]

[timid cloud]

Freshie mage.

[hollow river]

[timid cloud]

Ramfam scammed for 6k gold.

How would I check on logs if my Flag was broken again? No damage right?

[tacit spindle]

what’s the best burst combo for assassination

[timid cloud]

[winter vapor]

With the new guidance for Venthyr /w 4 piece, is it still dashing/unity without tier?

[hollow river]

Just your timings

[tacit spindle]

should I be necro or venth on assas?

[hollow river]

It still did damage and gave you haste if bugged

But no CDR/vers. The Obedience components

[hollow river]

That’s a very broad question

Things that matter: type of content, number of targets, tier set 0p/2P/4P, double legendary etc

Check the pins and faq

[hollow river]

Without tier yes

[winter vapor]

ty

[rapid forum]

playing the "old" nf setup still, to we use shiv or sepsis first ?

[hollow river]

Doesn’t matter very much

But iirc shiv->sepsis

[tacit spindle]

2v2 arenas would it be nec or venth

[hollow river]

Probably necro or NF

NF does really well if you have tier set

But ask in #pvp

[steep quartz]

if we have crafted duskwatchers + unity is it fine to stick to that or recraft to dashing + unity if we dont have 4 set

[clear finch]

You'll be recommended to sim it but overall yes, dashing until 4p then dusk.

[clear finch]

Sim it to see if you're leaving a lot of power on the table.

[hollow river]

I’ve seen some say 291 dusk simmed better than 262 dashing without 4p

So it might not be a big deal

[strange python]

Who has a fat sim i can look at

[hollow river]

For what

[strange python]

just wanna see what 15000k sim with current gear looks liek

[kindred rapids]

He's just enjoying himself m8, link the sim

[hollow river]

_>

[clear finch]

It's like voyeur

[limber lion]

Fat sim as in with someone's actual live profile or a bis profile?

[strange python]

fr dr

[clear finch]

He gonna touch himself to the Sim

[strange python]

live

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uqn452fJ9LRxE7a6Lked4J

Here's mine, idk if it's what you're looking for

[strange python]

nice, thanks

just seeing if i can swap over to sin from sub

gonna try to match that

[oak sky]

Why do I have cevs gear -4p and trinkets

Hmmmm

[limber lion]

Clearing heroic today, hopefully seeing some upgrades

[oak sky]

Lets go gl

I missed heroic clear yesterday but I should be home in time for normal tonight and starting into mythic

[scenic sapphire]

@limber lion With your new updates, should we keep CT up like we do with Rupture? Or is it a thing only during Vendetta and shiv window?

[soft merlin]

how much haste you have in that sim?

[uneven summit]

4set 1 min before raid, feels ok ngl

[slow marsh]

at least 69

[limber lion]

Yes, maintain it

[limber lion]

idk

[outer cairn]

I wish. I can't do this right now because I'm missing so much haste from gear that my sim drops like 2k lol

[limber lion]

I don't look at stats

[steep quartz]

yea dps loss so glad I simmed that

[viscid island]

is there any post where i can find the 4p 2leggos rotation plz?

[limber lion]

!GUIDE

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[viscid island]

thanks

[strange python]

yea i basically just dont have the haste

[slow marsh]

we did it boys

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s2iw67tPQDe7AYTLqVicFY

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uQLvKyFGGfyRx9QK8KFEEJ

sin vs sub

[outer cairn]

i'd like to switch, but even using top gear to sim with dashing/unity both with crit haste, its not enough. my top gear with sin right now at 3pc is like 10.6 but my sub dps right sims at 12.4

[limber lion]

I can tell you

that the stats

do not

matter

at all

[slow marsh]

^

[strange python]

this seems wrong

[limber lion]

You don't lose 2k dps from not having haste

that's just dumb

this is not classic wow

[slow marsh]

ye except it's not

[oak sky]

Him not having 4p could make them further apart tho

[subtle tundra]

people just cant accept that sin sims like sub with 4p

it seems like

[outer cairn]

I only have 3pc

and would run venth

[subtle tundra]

i was refering to iceblades

[strange python]

my gear is not that different from yours https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j76sagXKCS4tDEc4i7raXX

[slow marsh]

you have 2x eon

[outer cairn]

but would we run MfD without 4pc and stick to Vigor?

[spice spire]

Mfd forever with venthyr

[strange python]

2 eon 2k dps?

[limber lion]

You always play MFD with Venthyr

[spice spire]

Has been, will be, forever.

[outer cairn]

well i don't need to recraft unity. yeah its crit/vers but if stats don't matter, then i just need to farm up some cinders and make dashing again

[spice spire]

@slow marsh sub has just one leggo

Nvm head

I’m deadass blind

[iron orchid]

sub has alacrity ?

[outer cairn]

but my top gear sim as Sin/Venth was only 10.5 last night.

[slow marsh]

kek

[subtle tundra]

sin only is good with 4p

[slow marsh]

you win

[outer cairn]

and that low haste felt so shitty trying to keep ct/rupture up and still envenom to keep snd

[slow marsh]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eU6rNGHWHqT5qL5xCx973i

[iron orchid]

[gusty adder]

how exactly do we play CT on ST?

[slow marsh]

You keep it up

[outer cairn]

ok. so maybe test it after i get 4pc

[strange python]

that makes more sense

[gusty adder]

Is it as much uptime as possible, or only on vendet?

[gusty adder]

Alright, but lowest prio I guess, over snd, rupture ?

[outer cairn]

refresh in pandemic?

[slow marsh]

yes

[gusty adder]

and whts its pandemic at?

4-5 sec?

[slow marsh]

4s

[gusty adder]

aight

[slow marsh]

2 in vend with 4p

[gusty adder]

not alot of envenoms you can get in then

[strange python]

i just need a dagger to swap i think https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ro8kQZPAaVEpecozBpQN1e

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s fine

[outer cairn]

oh ok. so try to refresh in pandemic but keep snd/rupture up first

[spice spire]

Envenom is literally filler

[oak sky]

Ct ends up replacing envenom in a way

Until snd is gonna drop

[spice spire]

It’s not some GIGA damage finisher. It’s just a whatever in between the stuff that matters

[iron orchid]

we're the bleed spec not the envenom spec ehe

[spice spire]

Dudes out here really praying for mastery gameplay

[outer cairn]

yeah. i wasn't using it till snd was getting low, but when it gets low, its hard to get that timer back up enough to not having to do more envenoms while keeping the bleeds rolling was what i was struggling with

[oak sky]

Envenom affected by mastery

[subtle tundra]

you wont have this kind of problems with 4p

you have so much energy in vendetta

[slow marsh]

too much *

[subtle tundra]

if youre playing in ST with CT without 4p then idk

[outer cairn]

oh i imagine. its outside vendetta, but hopefully have a little more haste gear by then. my top gear had me literally like switching a ring and some gems but that was about it. most my gear is from m+ and raid and for a bit i was sitting on 0 haste

[spice spire]

It is

[slow marsh]

Ct already outsimmed PB in CT with obedience

[spice spire]

CT in CT

[oak sky]

So mastery gameplay wouldnt be affected by going a bleed build

[slow marsh]

CT in CT in ST in Ct

[subtle tundra]

double leggo + crafted finger with haste should get you decent haste with bad gear

[spice spire]

[outer cairn]

i need a riggleton kill on heroic to get that tier piece. i'd like to see it. i think sub is still great for ST, but sin just offers so much versatility

[hollow escarp]

I'm still using signet of melandrus

[outer cairn]

yes if i can get tier chest, i'd get a crafted 262 with crit haste

[spice spire]

Except mastery also works with PB (it does with CT too iirc? Gotta find the Koji comment)

[oak sky]

Same

[spice spire]

I’m still faulty gaming

[hollow river]

You don’t need a kill for vault chance

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

Yeah mastery works with everything true

[outer cairn]

I mean to try and get it before vault 🙂

[hollow river]

Ahh

[outer cairn]

i only need head or chest to get 4pc

[oak sky]

I hate that i have to keep signet+faulty forever

[hollow river]

I need chest too

[oak sky]

I think only my leggo and a 278 ring replaces signet

[subtle tundra]

nah, just give up on faulty

[hollow river]

We rekill riggleton tonight

Then we reclear normal

[subtle tundra]

it only drains your mentality

[outer cairn]

but LFR isn't up to those bosses so I need heroic kill. would rather kill riggle on heroic than try lords

[oak sky]

Don't have another trinket

[slow marsh]

heroic cache was close enough for me and is way better in aoe

[oak sky]

I didnt kill pantheon this week or last

Soooo

Or wait

Xymox

Whatever

[slow marsh]

ye

also heroic earthbreaker isn't bad

[outer cairn]

now that i have at least 2pc with sub, that SB uptime is crazy

[oak sky]

Idk man like i only get boss kills i can find in pugs this week

Gonna be awkward

[bleak sun]

1/4pc gang here

[spice spire]

What bosses do you need mister agreon?

[outer cairn]

when i get home, i'll mess with top gear sim and see if i can manipulate it to where i have 4pc and dusk/unity and a 262 ring with crit/haste and see what numbers i get. I have a 265 MH dagger and still using a heroic EoN in OH

[oak sky]

1-10

[slow marsh]

i promise you dont need any magic haste number

[oak sky]

I mean idk which ones exactly

Most needed are anduin and lords

Probably could use trinket bosses as well

[spice spire]

Remember my guild is casual Andy

[outer cairn]

plus since crafting dusk on ring, thats some stats to. which means I could actually craft a 262 neck with crit/haste i think. not sure if one of the rings i have would be better than a 262

[spice spire]

We’re doing PP prog Monday, so if you haven’t by then you’ll carry that run Ig

[outer cairn]

Right I get that, but sitting now I'm at 2%. literally

[spice spire]

Also seriously, stats aren’t a thing to worry about.
Even at 2%. Just do whatever sims best

[oak sky]

Ill probably be doing some mythic monday, but if the time lines up or it ends up being possible or smth ill make sure to hit you up :)

[outer cairn]

Right now its Sub lol

[spice spire]

Yessir. Always glad to help

[spice spire]

Stockpile your gear if you prefer sin

[outer cairn]

but if i get 4pc sin, i'd make a switch which is why i wanna toy with sim later and see

i have

[spice spire]

[outer cairn]

haven't sold a damn thing

[oak sky]

Yeah 2% is low enough that it would be noticeably bad

[strange python]

Assuming we hold every second shiv for flag+vend?

Or just send on the assumption it'll come up mid-vend

[hollow river]

I’m sure it’s the same old logic

Hold up to 12 sec for vendetta

[oak sky]

Ye

Might be different if its a vanish vendetta

[strange python]

My only issue with that logic is that holding it for 10 seconds means you would've just gotten another one

[hollow river]

Which is basically every other vendetta

With different wording

[oak sky]

Sure

[hollow river]

What

It’s a 24s CD

[outer cairn]

So we shiv on open, then we should have another shiv outside of Flag, then we should pair shiv again with our next flag or send it on cd?

[strange python]

Vend lasts 20 seconds. Shiv CD is 25 and lasts 9. Holding shiv for 12 seconds would just mean you would have gotten a shiv in during vend if you sent in the first place.

[hollow river]

Please read above

[outer cairn]

right. with dusk we'll get vendetta back quicker

duh

[hollow river]

It wouldn’t have been a full shiv

It’d be really tight

But I’m telling you what it’s always been idk

[gusty adder]

wait

[hollow river]

It’s always been hold up to 12 for vendetta

[slow marsh]

shiv on cd is fine

[gusty adder]

we actually hold vendetta for flag?

[slow marsh]

yes

[oak sky]

Yes

[slow marsh]

it feels terrible

i know

[outer cairn]

but with obe and dusk, they both should be coming off cd around the same time right?

[hollow river]

Just crit more and get higher stacks for flag CDR

Easy

[slow marsh]

you lose a cast over a 5min fight and more over longer fights but the the damage when paired with flag is bigger

[hollow river]

[sonic schooner]

50s vendetta 60s flag

[oak sky]

Its like 5-10s off most of the time

[slow marsh]

you'll end up holding vend for like 10s

[sonic schooner]

It should be somewhere arround that

[slow marsh]

ye

flag isn't 60s

[ebon notch]

THE EASY NATTY RANK 1

this snapshot shit

is nice as fuck

[oak sky]

Sorry who?

[ebon notch]

actually feels so good

very little downtime

[outer cairn]

and then as flag comes off, its basically make sure bleeds, are rolling, build, flag, finish, vendetta shiv everytiime right

[hollow river]

Imagine bragging about parses this week

[ebon notch]

im eu

so it counts

also its private

so it doesnt count

[hollow river]

No it doesn’t lol

[oak sky]

[daring mango]

so with 2-piece, nadija still a little ahead of theotar with haste tea right?

[hollow river]

Worse for eu because you just got double leggo

[kindred heron]

damn so much hate here wtf

[hollow river]

[kindred heron]

GOOD JOB DASPSMAN UR SICK

[slow marsh]

I had r1 for about an hour last night after playing nf and playing it really bad

[oak sky]

@ebon notch dont worry bro parses don't matter ever man

[spice spire]

Whatever sims better

[ebon notch]

hard true

[oak sky]

Did you gap the raid or what

[spice spire]

Healing parses the true end game fr

[hollow river]

Calm down I’m fucking with him but also I’m not

[oak sky]

Facts i cv on cd

[spice spire]

FUCKING AMEN BROTHER

[outer cairn]

Sin getting all hectic with everything bleeding all over the place

[spice spire]

Gaining those seconds through CV usage on dusk

On GOD

[subtle tundra]

21 mists with a really bad route/group i think i can do 20k overall if i omega sweat it

[slow marsh]

yeah except cv costs like 3 energy so

[outer cairn]

cv?

[oak sky]

No lie im a cv abuser i use it waaaay more than feint

Crimson vial

[outer cairn]

vial

lol duh

[slow marsh]

bro let me give you the ez mode rogue healer parse tech

[ebon notch]

nah i was 2nd

[brazen zodiac]

necro pog?

[slow marsh]

when RL says use personals

you feint

when he says healthstone health pot

you vial

[subtle tundra]

yea, it feels pretty good

[slow marsh]

ez

[brazen zodiac]

pog its been super fun

so hard tho im strugglin esp in st

[oak sky]

I would never feint, also my prog has never been early enough that we call for personals

[brazen zodiac]

not sure how the rotation worsks

[subtle tundra]

the ST dmg isnt bad

[spice spire]

You really tryna give him the tech when he was number two last tier

Damn

[dry copper]

The better the group, the worse I find sin does. Cause they kill shit faster.

[slow marsh]

i mean

[oak sky]

Its ok quake he knows i fell off

[hollow river]

Lol what

[slow marsh]

carried by frost amiirght

[hollow river]

We’ve always called personals

[spice spire]

Nah

Agreonr-Tichondrius is a certified gamer

[outer cairn]

last question from me for now as i understand this new playstyle. when flag and vendetta come off CD, we should have all our bleeds rolling first, then we build, flag, and then use whatever finisher we need Rupture/CT/Envenom, then vendetta/shiv correct?

[oak sky]

Frost+ wasteland propriety+token

[hollow river]

Why does early prog have anything to do with that

[subtle tundra]

its not amazing on pure ST but on many bosses you can get fat resets

[slow marsh]

token + frost + recup was just too good

[oak sky]

Personals rarely matter in late tier raiding bro

[spice spire]

More gear you have = less need for personals and healing

[slow marsh]

MY MAN PLAYED WASTELAND

[oak sky]

You can brute force everything

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i was fuckin lovin it against gorg in ToP

[hollow river]

Lol....

[brazen zodiac]

that shit was fun af

[slow marsh]

ok you can have the healer title

[oak sky]

Yeah you missed my secret tech lol

[spice spire]

Man was not joking about being a healer savant

Literally the Ceverion of rogue healing

[slow marsh]

Imagine playing for the raid damn you really are a healerogue

[subtle tundra]

thats not really what i meant, we almost wiped on first pull
had 0 maze pulls, did ST frog, had some weird inspiring shit going on, the end pulls were small-ish etc

[spice spire]

That’s what I’m saying

[oak sky]

Oh wait

It wasnt wasteland

It was the one down there

[spice spire]

Yeah you can’t do both

I didn’t want to correct it but I knew what you meant

[oak sky]

Uh

Its the tea time one

The heal in tubbins

[slow marsh]

o yeah

[oak sky]

I didnt play the avoidance thing

Yeah

[slow marsh]

i play that in keys but the speed avoidance in raid since i always have food

[spice spire]

Broke: damaging as rogue
Woke: healing as rogue

[oak sky]

Wasteland propriety doesnt bring you a good damage avg

Definitely didnt play that

[ebon notch]

first skolex pull i had subterfuge + DS while doing venth tech

lmao

thank fuck we wiped

am i meant to keep up CT outside of the vendetta/flag phase

[oak sky]

Yes

Always

[ebon notch]

ok pog

[nimble tartan]

what does snapshotting mean 😅

[ebon notch]

it means it "remembers"

the stats

from the moment you cast the dot

[sonic schooner]

You basically envenom if you already have all 3 bleeds rolling, none of them are in pandemic, and u dont need to extend snd

[solid venture]

[outer cairn]

So its typically ok to let CT fall off to keep SnD/Rupture up first, but then get CT rolling again asap?

[ebon notch]

maintain CT as long as your rupture/garrote/snd are fine

[slow marsh]

basically CT is envenom replacement

[nimble tartan]

so i have to refresh it at the end of vendetta?

[hollow river]

Yeah

[nimble tartan]

im learning sin

[hollow river]

With 4p

[outer cairn]

i don't think you're going to keep hardly any of them up with 4 pc lol

cuz they are going to bleed so fast

[slow marsh]

you want to refresh gar / rup at the end of vend

CT is meh

gar rup gives energy, CT doesn't

[hollow river]

You can keep everything up

Besides CT for a couple seconds

[nimble tartan]

is vendetta shorter than flag

[slow marsh]

yes

[nimble tartan]

ok

[slow marsh]

you have 4s to play with flag

[nimble tartan]

ty i understand the line now

[outer cairn]

right but you're going to be hard focusing garrote and rupture though right

[hollow river]

And SnD

And CT

You focus em all

[outer cairn]

i meant in the vendetta window with the bleeds rolling faster

[slow marsh]

Ye

[hollow river]

Yep

I did too

[outer cairn]

ok. want to ask again since its buried now. outside of open, we still going to pair flag and vendetta together so as they are coming off cd, we should have all our bleeds rolling first then we build, flag, and then using whatever finisher we need at the moment based on priority Envenom(SnD)/Rupture/CT and then we'll vendetta/shiv as we would in the open yes?

i've been playing sub the entire patch and obviously this new playstyle is foreign to me now lol

[slow marsh]

yes kinda, yes ideally, yes

[oak sky]

I think you always want rupture after flag into mfd ct

[slow marsh]

in the opener yes

but you could already have a high rup up when flag is coming up

[outer cairn]

that makes sense, but outside of open, the bleeds might not be in pandemic

yeah thats what i'm getting at

so its basically priority at that point

[oak pulsar]

does anyone know where a raider training dummie is that isnt close enough to other dummies so that they dont get hit by crimson tempest. im trying the new venthyr rotation

[slow marsh]

just stand at max range from the outside dummy and you can solo CT it

[oak sky]

Theres one in org right

[outer cairn]

man i want to try this. rng gods bless me with 4pc

have to farm some cinders though to make dusk

whats stats look like on a 262 crafted neck? I know on ring they huge

[winged basin]

Can you use logs to see who was dropping earthbreaker missiles on peoples heads on halondrus?

[nimble tartan]

yeah replay on wclogs

and just see who stacking

[winged basin]

Word

I heard some hearsay that I came up in a certain meeting of individuals that I was dropping missiles on peoples head so I watched my vod from streaming last night and know the truth but I wanna be able to see it on logs too

[outer cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-trial-gif-20317643

[winged basin]

[slow marsh]

i've posted many a screen shot from wcl replay when people have tried to blame me for stuff cuz they think i'm quiet and will just take it

[winged basin]

I own up to my mistakes, that’s why I sat for arty cause I was too focused on 4 pc rotation instead of mechanics and kept taking portal early so I could keep my uptime good

[outer cairn]

Just shadowstep the boss?

[slow marsh]

or cloak portal tbh

and save step for tank pull

[outer cairn]

sub double step. i never understood why sin doesn't have 2 charges

[winged basin]

Yeah I mean, I haven’t had issues on the boss all tier, last night was just a tough night for me, I got hit by skolex blue twice and died and that started the tilt

And I typically do cloak it and step for tank pull

[slow marsh]

all good everyone has those nights. especially when you're figuring out something new on the fly

[outer cairn]

we did panth for like the second time and as sub i'm like uhhhh

need way more pulls on a lot of these bosses

[winged basin]

Yeah, I am gonna practice it all week for Monday but I probably should’ve just used DS/PB for reclear and prog

I used DS PB for halondrus specifically so I could focus on mechanics cause it’s a prog fight for us

[limber lion]

yeh if I can do 18k overall in a 17 dos, you can do 20k in +285 mists ez

get sweatier

pump those numbers

destroy the hunters

[subtle tundra]

it was troll guild group

xd

a quickie b4 raid

[visual prairie]

might wake my rogue back up. in that new pin, in the necro aoe opener is there CT?

[winter vapor]

so with dashing/unity, I still need to take CT on some fights right? 0 tier yet but thinking anduin and onwards, maybe halondrus also

[strange python]

I don’t think you take CT on pure single

May be wrong but that’s what I understood

[ebon notch]

how do i know which of the cache trinkets weapons sims best?

i assume the bleed isnt affected by the vendetta snapshot tech?

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

it's not

[limber lion]

always take axe

[winter vapor]

sorry by halondrus i meant lihvium

[ebon notch]

sick

[slow marsh]

I think sword can be good if it lines up naturally though

[ebon notch]

thats what im wondering

[slow marsh]

but it's hard to get it to line up

is what koji said

cuz you want to flag finish mfd finish sword vendetta shiv

wtb better on use haste trinkets though honestly

[wooden kiln]

Can someone tell me where to find the race sim pls? Don't remember where I can find it

[obtuse robin]

google it

[alpine latch]

I really love how snapshotting is referred to as "tech"

[strange python]

Do you

[normal mist]

Is it possible to transform my pve tier set to PvP?

[strange python]

Ok I guess I was mistaken

[slow marsh]

that's cuz it is tech when you take something that should be ancient history and slap it into 2022 wow

[outer cairn]

someone mentioned it. i don't get the snapshot thing with the bleeds and flag

[alpine latch]

lol, sure

[obtuse robin]

as i understand it put bleeds up b4 ven ends

and any haste buff get it b4 ven

and shiv

[slow marsh]

there's 2 different snapshotting things happening now

[alpine latch]

I really dislike snapshotting in most games. Games almost never actually explain it, it's always learned by accident. And on top of that, it's never intuitive in how it's actually done

[slow marsh]

well it's actually one but it results in 2 functions

[minor anchor]

With the new tech for venthyr, what Lego do you go now? Still duskwalkers?

[slow marsh]

still dusk yes

[minor anchor]

Cool Ty

[outer cairn]

the only snapshot i remember is like using subterfuge and then you garrote and then vanish and reapply in its pandemic so it still benefits from subterfuge increase in dmg

[limber lion]

That's not a snapshot lokl

[outer cairn]

again, i don't understand what is meant by snapshot

[grave trail]

With new venthyr we back to MA

?

[polar cape]

If you have a big haste buff then cast your vendetta with 4pc it will keep the effect of the big haste buff even after it expire

[outer cairn]

the bleeds will?

[obtuse robin]

and the other one is ur bleeds keep ven buff after ven expires

[outer cairn]

As long as you keep them refreshed and they don't fall off?

[obtuse robin]

like imagine right when ven is expireing reapply bleeds

it keeps the ven 4p buff

[outer cairn]

right that i understand. but you're reapplying in pandemic windows still yes? you don't wanna overwrite them do you?

[obtuse robin]

yea in pan

[slow marsh]

The 4p vendetta takes a picture (snapshot) of the bleed's current tick rate and just multiplies it by 2. Bleeds don't update their tick rate until the 2nd tick. By front loading haste in the first tick rate of bleeds (flag / alac/ trinkets) before hitting vend you get extra value

[outer cairn]

k. that i understand

[obtuse robin]

the only difference is ct u reapply with 2sec in ven

instead of 4

[outer cairn]

oh

ok let me read that and make sure i understand

[obtuse robin]

yea thats why u do everything in the rotation first and then hit ven and shiv last

[slow marsh]

TBH you don't really need to understand how or why it works, you just need to know to flag, rup, mfd, CT, <insert any other haste buffs like trinket/racial etc>, vend shiv

[outer cairn]

right cuz extra haste means they bleed faster right? so then vendetta takes whatever the increase rate is and then multiplies

[obtuse robin]

trying to dumb it down alot lol

[outer cairn]

yeah i mean even if i don't need to know it, it helps me to understand the WHY we are doing it

[slow marsh]

the why is because blizz coding is sus as usual and the 4p vendetta exsang isn't as dynamic as it should've probably been

[outer cairn]

Right in the open, but outside of open our Flag>Finish will be based on what needs refreshed

[obtuse robin]

wonder how good the sword is

[hollow river]

Not worth afaik

[slow marsh]

sword gives you nut haste so probably better than axe in pure ST now

[hollow river]

Also incredibly hard to align

[subtle tundra]

they were kinda equal

last time it was simmed on nf

who knows on venth

[obtuse robin]

that would mean u would have to wait for the 10 stacks?

[slow marsh]

^ we just said to use axe always because it's easier tbh

and because obed gave vers and vers made axe slightly better than sword

[outer cairn]

i wonder if cache would be better as sin than earthbreaker? in sub top gear always has me using earthbreaker and codex

[obtuse robin]

cache is better then breaker for sin

[hollow river]

Sub and sin are very different

[outer cairn]

well good thing i have both

[slow marsh]

in the middle of your rotation you would just want to flag finish mfd finish then vend shiv

it doesn't have to be rup / CT. but probably the mfd is almost always gonnna be CT since it insta drains in vend

[outer cairn]

that's what i was thinking. Cause i'm like what if Garrote and Rupture is good, but then you need to Flag, CT, then MfD and then use it on whatever then vendetta/shiv

[outer cairn]

but if we flag>ct>mfd>finish> we haven't used vendetta yet

[hollow river]

Flag>rupture

[slow marsh]

tthe point is just to get flag stacked as high as you can within 4s before hitting vend

[hollow river]

Mfd>CT

[outer cairn]

yes, but if rupture doesn't need refreshed

talking outside of open

[oak sky]

Yeah you would envenom

[outer cairn]

i figured

[hollow river]

Or CT

[oak sky]

I just asked cev

[hollow river]

If you need to CT

[oak sky]

Yeah sure

Mfd ct is pretty much fine anyways

[hollow river]

You just reup whatever you need to

Or you envenom

[outer cairn]

if rupture/ct don't need refreshed, envenom is the filler i guess is the rule

[hollow river]

Fairly simple

[oak sky]

Ye

[outer cairn]

god give me 4pc. i wanna make'em bleed. to bad exsang still ain't used lol

miss that build

[hollow river]

[obtuse robin]

i just need one more pc for 4pc

[outer cairn]

same

[hollow river]

Same

[obtuse robin]

and boom insta 1800 + dps

[outer cairn]

i think the only time we ever used exsang was back in legion at one point

[hollow river]

[indigo mulch]

BFA

8.3

😄

[hollow river]

Bfa ye

[outer cairn]

i didn't play bfa

but that does make me remember DfA with sub and main that hit like a goddamn truck

bring it back lol

[obtuse robin]

good ridance i hated that skill

[outer cairn]

i loved the animation

[cinder grove]

is cache still good and is the bleed the one to use?

[obtuse robin]

cache is broken in aoe

and yes axe

[outer cairn]

for venth yeah. even sub rogue faq says if you playing venth, use axe always with cache

[cinder grove]

hmm okay ty

[outer cairn]

I like the fact that this build makes Sin extremely viable. You can ST and destroy and even with more than 1 target, you're still bleeding everything else. Which I know hardcore people would probably go switch to Necro and everything but say in Panth fight, I wonder what that open would look like. Get rupture rolling on one and then flag>rupture the second, then mfd, ct them both and then hard focus one target with the bleeds? I can imagine keeping rupture and ct rolling on 2 targets wouldn't be too difficult

[indigo mulch]

What second leggo do i run pre-4p as necro?

doomblade for 2t and 4t zoldyck?

[outer cairn]

but based off pins, there seems to be really only 4 ST fights, so it still appears that necro would be the way to go for the majority of the raid

[limber lion]

This is correct.

[limber lion]

You have to sim it

but something like that

[outer cairn]

but still dusk for necro w/ 4pc though right

[outer cairn]

whats the sims look like between necro/venth?

[slow marsh]

wym

necro is still king of aoe

you play venth for ST or low cleave and necro for aoe / extended cleave (lords)

[outer cairn]

I'm not in a raiding guild where we go and switch covs between fights

[slow marsh]

and yes they're close enough where you can play either or for the whole raid

[outer cairn]

ok. thats what i meant are they pretty close and why i asked if necro seemed to be the most versatile for the entirety of the raid since there was really only 4 ST fights

[winter gale]

So I want Unity 291 on wrist as Venthyr?

[slow marsh]

wrists is just the safest slot

[winter gale]

And Dashing Scoundrel on Cloak piece?

Withour 4piece*

[slow marsh]

if you don't mind spending like 80-100k for 100dps that you'll only use until 4p then never use again sure

[winter gale]

Is it then ok to craft Dusk on ring and play it while gathering 4set?

[obsidian aurora]

what legendary ilvl do we need to buy to craft Memory of Unity?

[proper tapir]

Okay so with snapshotting, after the opener you play normal (refresh in pandemic window) and your bleeds stay buffed until the next Vend?

[outer cairn]

that seems like it would be really broken if it maintains the x2 the whole time

[proper tapir]

Yeah that's why I'm asking lol

[outer cairn]

i think after vendetta has fallen off if you refresh after that, you don't have the 4pc thing working anymore so then when you refresh in pandemic it resets to normal

[proper tapir]

And that would be preferable over letting them fall off at full strength?

[slow marsh]

no

you want to reapply bleeds a thte end of vend (like 2-3s)

those bleeds will be snapped to the vend x2 speed and give the extra energy

reapply those as close to 0 as possible without letting them completely fall

[subtle tundra]

@limber lion have you done rygelon necro with duble lego?

[slow marsh]

sounds fun

[subtle tundra]

i wanna know if the deathspike in range hits the boss

[gusty adder]

hooly fuck this venthyr-rotation is hard for my old brain

[uneven summit]

Elegy is not that bad a trinket right? 111 dps more than my FCM 246

[proper tapir]

I see, and those post-vend refreshed bleeds will be normal. I get it now, thank you!

[subtle tundra]

im gonna do it rn see if it works

[slow marsh]

nope it's not bad but you'll replace it with cache/earthbreaker/sigil/something else of equal ilvl

[subtle tundra]

if it doesnt i wipe the raid

[slow marsh]

wym if dspike in range hits boss

[subtle tundra]

i bonespike an add

thats far

does it hit the boss too?

[limber lion]

I doubt it, the range is super small

[slow marsh]

no

[limber lion]

It does not

[subtle tundra]

oh

dogshit

[limber lion]

It only cleaves to the target next to the add

and the range is small

[slow marsh]

ye dspike range is kinda poo

[oak sky]

Bro but with so many resets

[limber lion]

Like you probs won't even hit 2 quasars

[slow marsh]

better off playing venth and mfd resetting off adds imo

[oak sky]

Infinity kevin

[limber lion]

I just played Venth on clear, didn't wanna change

[slow marsh]

same

[limber lion]

Played Venth on Lords as well

[slow marsh]

i can see kevin being good though if you hit all ofthem or close to all

[indigo mulch]

You ran venth on anduin aswell? o:

[oak sky]

Ill be venth on most everything except in prog and maybe reclear but kinda depends on how often you have to swap

[limber lion]

Of course

[slow marsh]

venth on andy is juice

[limber lion]

Always Venth on Anduin

[oak sky]

Anduin is an st fight

[subtle tundra]

i just want to get the easy r1s wherever i can so i dont have to tryhard

[indigo mulch]

ST?

[oak sky]

Adds are pad

[indigo mulch]

What about pad?!

[limber lion]

You're lucky that we didn't public log

even though I asked for it

[subtle tundra]

shhh

thanks

[limber lion]

17.5k dps on Lords btw

[subtle tundra]

havent done lords yet

[oak sky]

Lmao

[gusty mirage]

have you noticed some weird cleave ranges popping up?

[slow marsh]

i'm thinking about doing korayn on next anduin kill

[indigo mulch]

17.5k with venth? :/

[limber lion]

Yes

[indigo mulch]

wtb 4s

[gusty mirage]

like I turned around to spike a close quasar and it spiked one like 25 yards away

lmao

[limber lion]

yes

it's the 4set

[indigo mulch]

PLS

Let me have something

._."

[limber lion]

wonder how all of those other people are doing 4k less dps

[oak sky]

Every set haver existing

[limber lion]

with their 2l 4p

[gusty mirage]

then I went to cleave 2 close quasars and it didn't spike at all

[limber lion]

unlucky

my 4set must be better than theirs

have more stats

[gusty mirage]

the cleave range is janky af

[oak sky]

True

[limber lion]

or increase shiv damage by 100%

unnerfed set

[oak sky]

Cev has a better 4p confirmed

Write it down

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion you missed the special ingredient

you're just built diffy

[slow marsh]

to be fair lords is dependant on how monkey brained your raid is during amogus

[limber lion]

wtf

No that hasn't happened to me

The range is just super small always

very feelsbadman

[gusty mirage]

it also happened to me on lihivium

[limber lion]

I mean it's fucking amazing in m+

It feels so great getting so many resets

[gusty mirage]

I went to spike an add and it hit a rooted add 15 yds away

lmao

[slow marsh]

yeah you just hard replace fok with sbs

so nice

[gusty mirage]

and it kept breaking the root and our spriest ran around for the last 15% of the boss

[subtle tundra]

not when you have axe xd

[oak sky]

Does kevin hit 100 instead of 90

[limber lion]

Good thing you don't have to think about that anymore because of Pieces

[slow marsh]

except our raid still does cuz idk why

[oak sky]

Dude so many people use the WA wrong

[hollow river]

What are Pieces

[oak sky]

We have people voting just because they see a vote on someone else

[gusty mirage]

you ever see mfers with 8 votes?

like bro no shot 8 people see that one person

[slow marsh]

they made the amogus vote wa that's very poggers

[oak sky]

Theres literally 5 people that can see oxi

[slow marsh]

that our raid doesn't use cuz "if people just spoke up it's just as easy"

[gusty mirage]

I KNOW

some people were voting just to vote

like bruh

[spice spire]

Wait your guild still can’t?

Even my guild is good about it

[gusty mirage]

we had to do the opposite

[oak sky]

Monkeypeepowicked

[gusty mirage]

a "shut the fuck up and vote" order was put in place

[oak sky]

Yeah in our raid everyone shuts up

[nimble tartan]

y ur rl like that bro

[quaint sequoia]

CT on ST really?

[spice spire]

Yes

With 4p

[slow marsh]

it's almost like there's a reason i app'd to your guild

[quaint sequoia]

fuck

[slow marsh]

i want out

[uneven summit]

got cache allready at least

[quaint sequoia]

I don't fucking want more buttons

[spice spire]

Oh shit icebladesx-mal’ganis

Ayo

[oak sky]

Iceblade sex

[visual prairie]

sex with iceblade's ex

[spice spire]

Y’all some horny mfers

[oak sky]

Omr yall rejected my boy iceblades lose my number bozo

[slow marsh]

go for it

[visual prairie]

i'm just trying to get close to word avalanche

[slow marsh]

na idk if they even peeped it or not