assassination

[zinc frost]

I’m only gonna reserve this absolute degen venth build for skolex and Halondrus

[limber lion]

"I simmed it and it did a different rotation that my sim from 10 minutes ago??? what do"

[timid cloud]

Cev would write an essay every hour.

[fleet anchor]

J. U. S. T. M. A. S. H.

[timid cloud]

Then people would still question.

[versed mica]

@limber lion "and a simple way to do that is to use the opener/talent-setup below and apply the same rotation to every single Flag/Vend/Shiv/MFD window during an encounter."
Wait, does this mean that we want to sync all these every time?

[fleet anchor]

I still find it hilarious

[thorn lynx]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[limber lion]

Whenever possible, go for it

Normal rules still apply

[fleet anchor]

That the Rupture spamming in that cursed Exsang NS APL

Was still only -2%

[timid cloud]

"DiD U RuN tHe sImMs?"

[limber lion]

[fleet anchor]

Casting like 16 superfluous Ruptures

[sturdy merlin]

isn't that higher than sub bis profile ?

[timid cloud]

[fleet anchor]

Don't waste CDs, keep your DoTs up

[versed mica]

Also I take responsibility for jinxing venthyr being the best due to the argument about sbs and flag yesterday

[lean fossil]

man vendetta is a rush with the 4 set lol

[limber lion]

It is not

It's around 130 dps less

[fleet anchor]

[limber lion]

sbs still bis

[bleak spoke]

sbs is cool button

[fleet anchor]

If only it didn't have one hand tied behind its back

Necro's true power would destroy all others

[bleak spoke]

deathspike

[slow marsh]

I mean technically a 291 dashing is +120 but cba crafting a dashing for like a week

[spice spire]

True I wouldn’t either

Once I unlock unity gonna sim and see if dusk is a gain

[bleak spoke]

im like 500 rep from unity

also i need to borrow money from someone in my guild

[subtle tundra]

fucking panthjeona

[slow marsh]

yeah basically 291 dusk that i already crafted is bigger than 262 dashing so we rollin with it

[bleak spoke]

zoinks

[limber lion]

We had a 1.3% wipe on Lihuvim today as well

unluck

[subtle tundra]

its entirely free after reset

[limber lion]

had to call raid

kinda sadge

[subtle tundra]

so many 7+ min wipes

zzz

[versed mica]

Okay. It just seems weird. With they way Vendetta and flag are with cdr, it seems as though things will oftentimes be unsynchronized. Is there any info on how long you should hold each cd before it's a dps loss?

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/frVSCuW8geMZqbUyx4z9oD

Okay here's another take with enchants/gems

[versed mica]

Or do we hit 30 stacks that flag will be consistant?

[limber lion]

so now Sub is ahead by 18 dps

:')

[versed mica]

BASED

[limber lion]

Honestly I would just sync Vend/Flag everytime with double lego

No reason not to

I've tried multiple different fight lengths to see if it fails sometimes

and it's always pretty much marginal

[versed mica]

Good to know, thanks

[limber lion]

Sometimes it even beats the send-meta

[viscid spear]

Are you me?

[limber lion]

ok jk, Sub sims 17k

[versed mica]

it's time

Oh

Now the real question

Do these optimizations make venthyr the pick for m+?

[slow marsh]

you can get like +100 by swapping wrists and pants

[strange python]

was almost free of venthyr..

It was so close

[viscid spear]

[hollow river]

Glad I was too smart (lazy) to farm Torghast for NF renown

[subtle tundra]

fuckaing fakck prototyper

[hollow river]

damn you're a pro typer

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

too late, he said it so it's true

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v9XvgsgncQ3RM4ceX2Wm7y/simc

[versed mica]

It will be ahead in reality bc sin bleed and poisons during downtime pipe hard right guys?

[fallow canopy]

I guess starting venth throughout Shadowlands and being too lazy to farm other covenants renown paid off

[limber lion]

I already corrected myself Mr. Whispyr >:((

[balmy condor]

yeah

but you're not close

[limber lion]

wut

[balmy condor]

open the sim

[limber lion]

yes

sub sims 17k

like I said

[limber lion]

.

:(

[balmy condor]

oh

[limber lion]

op spec

but at least we don't have casino

[balmy condor]

you have to do cringe snapshots instead

[fleet anchor]

tbf I think Sub is a little lower than it could be due to trinkets.

[versed mica]

Buff outlaw and nerf sub

It's that simple

[fleet anchor]

Need to put Earthbreakers on the Sub profile probably

[subtle tundra]

7 really close pulls in a row

wtf

[winged basin]

wait duskwalkers is so fun

I get vendetta up so fast

[umbral rapids]

anyone tried making two leggo rings ?

[winged basin]

they are unique so you can make em, but cant equip both

[umbral rapids]

ok thanks

[glass tulip]

what is this

[subtle tundra]

pantheon

[glass tulip]

oof

[winged basin]

so if I am using duskwalkers optimally, should I be getting like opener vendetta with vanish, vendetta without vanish, then another vendetta by the time vanish is up again?

[grave trail]

with 4 piece do you refresh before vendetta ends regardless of panedemic?

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

ye

[grave trail]

thank you master

[winged basin]

that is so crazy lol

this is way more fun then dashing

[grave trail]

yeah its sick the 4 piece dusk gameplay

hectic on m+ tho

[gusty adder]

waiiit

we back to vent?

[strange python]

check pins xD

[gusty adder]

oohhh

rip

aight

[gusty adder]

thanks

[strange python]

npnp

[gusty adder]

CT too

[whole bay]

fuuuu i just switched back to night fae!

so its not gonna be good? i thought with the 4 piece, night fae was better

[strange python]

not anymore

venth is better than fae

[whole bay]

do the talents for single target vs mythic + stay the same?

[strange python]

i think info should be in pins

[balmy condor]

fae is good

[whole bay]

the dps difference is only 300 right?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[whole bay]

i guess until i parse higher than 80, i wont see a difference

[slow marsh]

Ye cev's new venth sin thing can get pretty close to 17k if you recraft unity on legs? i think

[whole bay]

i got my raid tier piece on legs haha

i thought unity could only be crafted on belt?

[balmy condor]

unity is any slot

[whole bay]

oooh

[balmy condor]

you get belt for free from the questline

[arctic venture]

Today is the best day to use THE GIF!

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[whole bay]

hahaha

[limber lion]

oh no

I have bad news

[arctic venture]

please dont.

[whole bay]

oh oh

[balmy condor]

you mean good news

[whole bay]

chad yes

[balmy condor]

venth is dead

[limber lion]

no

even worse news than before

[balmy condor]

I don't have to update anything

[arctic venture]

simc is getting sick of me.

hehe.

[bleak sky]

damn

sin really popping off today

[balmy condor]

dead spec

[arctic venture]

Dice is another trick, simc soo good but in game doesnt see that nice.

[balmy condor]

aint a soul on this planet that will play that shit

[limber lion]

this is literal the worst thing that could be happening

but I have to say

my new sim is pretty dank

[bleak sky]

show sim

[limber lion]

soon(tm)

[whole bay]

now im confused, is venth in or out haha

[limber lion]

very much in

but kinda cringe

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[limber lion]

necro still op in aoe

yay

[whole bay]

awh snap

[slow marsh]

plz no, i passed on this today

[whole bay]

after i just spent like 40k on a ring for dusk legendary

[slow marsh]

that's all?

[bleak sky]

your profile may vary, please run a sim to evaluate trinket upgrades || ||

40k is hella cheap for a ring

[whole bay]

i couldnt afford the 291

[bleak sky]

oh

[slow marsh]

Ye I probs still wouldn't use it tbh outside of farm

[whole bay]

yeah hahahha

[limber lion]

sim 75% done

[subtle tundra]

wait wtf cev

where did you get iqd from

or is that not your character

[pearl ingot]

i guess thats a sim

[subtle tundra]

he might be simming bis sim

[limber lion]

Yes, I'm simming bis

[pearl ingot]

waiting for this!

[limber lion]

Sigil not bis

IQD bis

unlucky

[gusty mirage]

both of those trinkets are cringe

[pearl ingot]

i got my sigil from last weeks vault =/ IQD isn´t that fun

[subtle tundra]

5 min trinket kinda cringe

[gusty mirage]

ye

give us another amp

[hollow river]

as fuck

[subtle tundra]

but seems juicy on some bosses

[gusty mirage]

minute and a half trinkets are where its AT

[subtle tundra]

like on pantheon

you get giga dam on last phase

[limber lion]

both are vault-only trinkets

kms

[gusty mirage]

I'm just going to finish leveling my hunter

🙂

[limber lion]

Oh fuck

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2wn5ZiFW4JbnHddzA5zg1L

So close

[whole bay]

my god

[limber lion]

@balmy condor now it's under 100 >:(

[balmy condor]

wtf are these mastery gems

[pearl ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/awesome-yes-yeah-baby-cheer-gif-15859596

[balmy condor]

holy fuck

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

kys

[subtle tundra]

mastery tier????????

[gusty mirage]

osh was right

[limber lion]

LMAOOO

[subtle tundra]

you dont mean that

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

cev what the fuck is this

[loud light]

okay whispyr time to update the !bis command

[balmy condor]

Im never playing this dogshit spec

good luck

[gusty mirage]

kek

[bleak sky]

so

is this iqd proccing mastery as well?

[gusty mirage]

@bleak sky you try obe/finality in keys yet?

[bleak sky]

[bleak sky]

I'm not touching rogue

that character is dead to me

it has no 4pc

it's dead

[gusty mirage]

okay you literally play a havoc dh

[bleak sky]

fuck him

[subtle tundra]

ayo tomorrow ill pop some finality keys

[gusty mirage]

spicy unethical padding

[limber lion]

Nah, still crit

[subtle tundra]

maybe some necro rogue keys if im allowed to troll

but i dont have zoldyck

[gusty mirage]

its okay

[plain jetty]

hey guys, if i have my 4p do i play nightfae with dusk on the pantheon fight or is it still venthyr zoldycks

[subtle tundra]

necro

[balmy condor]

pantheon is always necro

[plain jetty]

ohhh interesting

i didnt even consider necro

whoops

[subtle tundra]

its necro for all bosses but skolex/halondrus

[balmy condor]

anything more than 1 target is necro

[hollow river]

well here goes unity wrist i guess

[subtle tundra]

im a belt kind of guy

;3

[bleak sky]

big belt guy here

[hollow river]

i got a good belt from m+ last night

[subtle tundra]

my first weekly was 278 wrists with socket

bad stats though

but its wrists so it fine

[hollow river]

and im making unity crit/vers

[subtle tundra]

same

[hollow river]

i have vers/mas wrists with avoidance and socket

kekw

[subtle tundra]

well i get fat loot from vault anyways, dont care

tomorrow

[hollow river]

goodluck

[bleak sky]

fat wrists with socket again

[whole bay]

cant believe night fae fell behind

[hollow river]

vault fucked me this week

[pearl ingot]

thats the spirit!

[glass tulip]

So what I am hearing from that sim conversation is.... no legion TW except for ring

[surreal halo]

!unity

[prisma monolith]

All slots are close in output.
The best non tier slots across all specs are Belt or Wrists.
The best possible slot is likely Hands, Legs or Head.
Use a simulation to evaluate for your gear situation.

[wooden dawn]

prob been asked but do you play nadjia if you dont get a haste tea proc?

[subtle tundra]

my 1 mythic raid vault will be mythic rygelon chest 😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏

[hollow river]

i have to scrap my 262 celerity for cinders

to make 291 akaari's

[subtle tundra]

not making akaaris 😎

[hollow river]

i have 262 dashing and 3p

so i'm not making dusk yet

[whole bay]

is duskwalker still the best duo leggo?

[hollow river]

ill farm torghast once i do

[subtle tundra]

i mean... you get 100% 4p this reset

[hollow river]

with 4p yes

[slow marsh]

@limber lion our true savior

[hollow river]

how

[subtle tundra]

you drop it?

you get traded like a boss

[hollow river]

love you

[subtle tundra]

you play like a king, you get treated like a king

[limber lion]

we're all in this together fellow assassination brethren

[bleak sky]

FOR SURE 4P

[subtle tundra]

if in m+ we cant perform, we might aswell be good in raid

[gusty mirage]

sounds like its necro for all bosses for me then

[hollow river]

[subtle tundra]

i just hate the thought of changing covenants all this time

[gusty mirage]

yup

I cba

[subtle tundra]

gonna take the L and roll with it

i guess my warrior wont receive any demon weekly at 1 am from my guild i go to sleep

[verbal copper]

necro+zoldyck?

[subtle tundra]

without 4p, yes

[restive falcon]

for CT do we only wanna use it at 4+ cp or just use it before bleed falls off

[limber lion]

Always at 4-5CP

[restive falcon]

but still always prio gar/rup bleed cast before the ct correct, the opener is pretty smooth just wanna make sure

[wild beacon]

[plain jetty]

for any covenant?

[hollow river]

yes

[bleak sky]

Duskwalker op

[plain jetty]

because yu get more value from the 1min vendettas than the bleed execute from zoldycks right?

when you have 4p

[pearl ingot]

But I heared zoldyck isn’t far behind on pantheon and easier to play on this fight

[bleak spoke]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9DiBJUMmCD9PNWNkZYCzt2 god i did the whole patterns within patterns today i HATE rares

[celest ruin]

wait, how do you get tier 285 hands?

[glass tulip]

creation catalyst with an end boss drop is the only way

[gusty mirage]

^

[celest ruin]

oh, TIL

[tawny barn]

zoldyck or dusk for necro in m+

[gusty mirage]

lords of dread gloves converted

[bleak sky]

Do tou have 4p?

[tawny barn]

nope but this is with 4 pc in mind

[limber lion]

Oh wait

I did all the bis sims and whatnot

but I forgot to add in my own additions

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

Oh no

[glass tulip]

[bleak sky]

Even more mastery inc

[glass tulip]

so the gap to sub is closing

[bleak sky]

Crit mastery leggos incoming

[limber lion]

It's not closing

It's opening

... for us.

[glass tulip]

what

[strange python]

assa better than sub copium ?

[bleak sky]

[glass tulip]

the gap opening means our dps would drop

lol

[hollow river]

....wow

[bleak sky]

Say it ain't so cev

[limber lion]

give me 5 minutes

[hollow river]

i'm only simming for 12.3k as sub

[strange python]

explain in WoW terms

[hollow river]

and you're simming for 14k as sin??

[limber lion]

hey my english skills aint top notch ok

[bleak sky]

With 2x leggo?

[hollow river]

yes

[limber lion]

just meant that the gap grows larger

[glass tulip]

give it to me in finnish baby

[bleak sky]

Bruh

[limber lion]

but sub is on the bottom

ok

:

[bleak spoke]

4set doubles

[glass tulip]

I understand now

[hollow river]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fXEdpeeU6qn4C22DVA1obv

i don't have 4p yet

no way 4p is over 1.7k

[bleak spoke]

it's more with kyrian yah?

[hollow river]

dafuk going on here

yeah a bit

[brazen zodiac]

thinkin about necro on guardian

this gonna be fun

[restive falcon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vfQEWBDDvN8tARS9RjjeRy

[hollow river]

maybe kyrian+4p it's better

than 14k

[gusty mirage]

nothing about that boss is fun

[brazen zodiac]

yeah but necro fun

[restive falcon]

WFS better than LP?

[hollow river]

jesus fuck 271ilvl

i'm so left behind rn

[brazen zodiac]

i wonder if i should go zold tbh

[bleak spoke]

the other rogue in my guild @hollow river https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rPkWYNbpLum4AzgqfvudWN

[hollow river]

[restive falcon]

why is my sim tho saying WFS better than LP

[hollow river]

i'm getting fucking bodied

[restive falcon]

back2back weeks i got 278 weapons kekw

[bleak sky]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3AHnQ3PKbfw3gYs4HmBTRh this is 2p

oh you're venthyr

[hollow river]

i'm going to sim kyrian RIGHT NOW

fuck

sims are telling me to take 278 Sack

but i don't want it

[spring bane]

what slot you guys crafting unity on?

[hollow river]

wrist

[bleak sky]

belt

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t8yQwtuW2agYH6WsZ2vQyP

Okay we got 17k

[hollow river]

[bleak sky]

FUU YOU PROMISED ME SUB WAS SIMMING HIGHER

[obtuse robin]

[bleak sky]

[limber lion]

Sub ahead by 40 dps

so technically he's right

[bleak sky]

is 40 not margin at this point

[limber lion]

if you wanna play a casino spec

[bleak sky]

"margin"

[limber lion]

Yes

[hollow river]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h7NDNc23MMcgQb4tX6CJKe

[bleak sky]

if rng fiesta means 40 dps I'll take non-casino everyday

[hollow river]

13k flat as kyrian

[bleak sky]

[wild beacon]

how much degen does 17k involve

[limber lion]

Not that much

[strange python]

can we MFD slice before opener in raids ?

[limber lion]

That actually reminds me I need to check Euphoria-sync logic later on

for ultimate degeneracy

[limber lion]

No, you don't want to do that

Not as Venthyr

[strange python]

but as necro ?

[limber lion]

You don't play MFD as Necro

[strange python]

oh yea its all 2s i see

[bleak sky]

a little bird told me something about shiv gemstone

anything came out of that?

[limber lion]

No

It's beautiful

good variance

[bleak sky]

ok

duskwalker crafting time

[wild beacon]

sub slot machine

[viscid spear]

tried out Unity and Dusk on Phestis, 40sec lFlag

I meant when the Flag stacks wore off I had 40sec til I could Flag again

[storm belfry]

[dark arrow]

any reason why Unity on wrists instead of the belt?

[solar stump]

jailer has a nice belt so assuming mythic bis

[dark arrow]

ah ok so not a rush cuz i'll never do Jailer on mythic, and i'll prob only do it on heroic once for the achievement.

[half tartan]

Anybody know if you can get tier from timewalking this week?

[glass tulip]

I assume the loot rules werent changed so they are probably still out of the loot pool

[frosty cedar]

[echo geyser]

wait what the fuck is this

[limber lion]

[echo geyser]

how can i check the gear

[limber lion]

It's just a bis setup

Don't worry about it

it's not my actual profile

[echo geyser]

yeah ik

[limber lion]

Oh okay

[echo geyser]

no shot u were simming 17k rn

haha

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t8yQwtuW2agYH6WsZ2vQyP/simc

[echo geyser]

no more nf?

[limber lion]

Click on either bar to open up the data

[echo geyser]

[limber lion]

Nah

[echo geyser]

o;

[limber lion]

Venthyr busted

[echo geyser]

so the only necro fights would be pantheon ?

[limber lion]

Nono

You play Necro everywhere but the single target fights

[echo geyser]

oh

[limber lion]

Guardian, Pantheon, Lihuvim, Anduin, Lords, Rygelon

[lunar otter]

necro zold tho ye ?

[limber lion]

Necro Dusk with 4p

On Pantheon with Zold

[lunar otter]

yeyye

i have a 1p tho hahaha

fkn whats t he point

[sudden brook]

aye can i get a quick rundown of all the memes

stat prio covenant legendary with all this shit in place

seems theres new stuff being discovered

[echo geyser]

LMFAO

guy in sin

i cannot

[sudden brook]

i need to get off sub

i legit cant play this abomination

[echo geyser]

u said sin was sleeper spec

[sudden brook]

yeah its

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pKeH6C4Z982ojyU5BbH63u

[bleak sky]

1. venthyr good new tech check pins
2. crit haste
3. play necro on more than 1 target
4. stop playing outlul

[limber lion]

There's the sim

[echo geyser]

time to be 3x spec

[limber lion]

You can see all the equipped gear, covenant and whatnot there

[sudden brook]

i gotta be the 3 time champion

whats the new strat exactly

[limber lion]

It's Venthyr with Dusk/Unity

[sudden brook]

what changes in the "better"

[limber lion]

So we go degen level

and we abuse the haste from Flagellation

to snapshot bleeds with the 4p vendetta

[sudden brook]

is that fucking CT on ST

LOOOL

[limber lion]

yes

[sudden brook]

DUDE

WHY IS ROGUE SO BAD

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[limber lion]

it's legit 8.3 level shit

and best part is that IQD is simming the highest as well

so it's super monkas

it's the worst combination of setups ever

[sudden brook]

fucking backstab in dance sub rogue
fucking CT st snapshotting sin rogue

why cant this class be fucking normal

[echo geyser]

[limber lion]

Outlaw good, unlucky they do 100k less damage

[lunar otter]

devs need to join the disco and see wtf is goin on with the specs lol

[sudden brook]

dude outlaw with dust is actual perfection

its the best the spec has ever been

instead theres snapshotting ct st sin rogue

and fucking backstab dance sub

[limber lion]

[sudden brook]

thats whats good rn

[limber lion]

actual demon specs

[sudden brook]

imagine if outlaw had a 25% tier set

itd actually be perfect

no nonsense

just pure damage with 80 apm

[limber lion]

yeah, can't have that

[half tartan]

Sub will be less difficult to play then sin? or once sin dance is learned not too tough?

[limber lion]

They're both difficult in their own ways

[sudden brook]

so what exactly is this snapshotting shit that needs to get done

[solar stump]

@limber lion are you making unity on legs tomorrow then for this new tech? ( assuming if you dont have set on legs )

[limber lion]

So you want to apply garrote, rupture and crimson tempest, getting yourself to 10 stacks of Flag for 10% haste and let them tick once before hitting Vendetta, because the haste does not dynamically update the tick rate of the bleeds and they actually only update the next tick

You want to make sure to reapply all bleeds before Vendetta ends so you get the maximum value out of the 25-30 stacks of Flag, abusing the overhang of Vend

[limber lion]

It's pretty

degen

[red plaza]

[limber lion]

Nah, I'll just make 291 wrists honestly. I'll start minmaxing gear when I'm closer to bis

[solar stump]

aight fair

[sudden brook]

man i just wanted to like

press venedtta

and envenom

[limber lion]

LMAO

[sudden brook]

tf goin on dude

[limber lion]

yeh we never really press Envenom anymore

CT kinda ruins that for us

[slow marsh]

sleeper spec no more

[twilit hollow]

i cant wait for you guys to find some tech that makes exsang better somehow and make it even more jank

[slow marsh]

i tried

not happening

[outer cairn]

i need to see this rotation and stuff now

[slow marsh]

it's not terribly different'

[glass tulip]

its pinned

[slow marsh]

you just CT before vendetta shiv

[limber lion]

MFD - CT*

[slow marsh]

ye that's what i meant

[limber lion]

Here's the first 11s

[kindred dune]

so what do you guys play in m+ then? also CT on single target heavy fights ?

[limber lion]

You pretty much do that everytime, not that terrible

[slow marsh]

you just play CT everywhere all the tiem

[outer cairn]

but thats as venth right?

[limber lion]

Ye

[solid venture]

Any prepull mfd shenanigans?

[limber lion]

No

[slow marsh]

you need mfd for flag

[sudden brook]

mfers be like i hate rogue my brother in christ you made the damn apl

[solid venture]

Well yea you needed mfd for flag in 9.1 too

[brazen zodiac]

would it make sense that poison simmed much higher then ct in just a simple patchwork sim? i read that ct should be used everywhere so not sure if im just simming wrong

[limber lion]

[solid venture]

Still managed to use it prepull though back then

[outer cairn]

hmmm. i kinda wanna see it, but here's the thing. as sub, none of my gear has like any haste. so unless i get some haste

[dry copper]

have ppl done an apl with a pre-pull mfd/snd? at like -30s

[limber lion]

Yes

[dry copper]

i need an excuse to get back at ppl for stupid font pull timers back in eternal palace

[limber lion]

Unfortunately there ain't many excuses

MFD pre-pull is pretty terrible and would require substantial change in opener logic for a gain of less than 0.2%

[woeful cipher]

anyone have a ballpark for how much of an upgrade the 291 cinch is vs 265?

[outer cairn]

if going venth (wouldn't be cov swapping so just play venth then with CT) what leggo we running with unity? I know 4pc is Dust, but before

[limber lion]

You have to sim it, it obviously depends on your profile and what slot you compare to the 265 belt

[sudden brook]

i did get this last night

[solid venture]

From PF jail to DoS jail?

[sonic schooner]

New tech

[solid venture]

Hard no from me brother

[sonic schooner]

And iqd oh lord

[bleak sky]

would you rather play degen haste snapshotting sin or backstabbing in dance sub?

[sudden brook]

id rather fucking leave this class

idk what they did to it dude

[jaunty steeple]

what the fuck is this

[sudden brook]

they did something fucked up this patch

[jaunty steeple]

[sonic schooner]

Backstabbing in dance

What in the heck is rogue becoming

[jaunty steeple]

luckily I'm vibing with sub ngl

I was going to give sin a shot

but uh

optimizing it sounds a bit too degen

[solid venture]

All this stuff just makes me wanna go back to the pirate life tbh

[sudden brook]

REAL

[sonic schooner]

When do we press envenom now we re getting CT things

[sudden brook]

outlaw needs buffs more than ev

sub and sin are legit degenerate specs rn

[limber lion]

Whenever you have all 3 bleeds up and none of them are in pandemic and you don't risk any of them dropping

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

never

[jaunty steeple]

it's literally only stab in dance guy

it's not that bad

[sonic schooner]

XD

[limber lion]

You only press Envenom to maintain SnD and that's about it

[sonic schooner]

Yea that what I was thinking cev

[uneven hamlet]

the thing that ruins sub for me is the 2cp animacharge jesus christ can't hit it

[dry copper]

usually finish, then wait for a sectec proc

if you're trying super hard

[outer cairn]

just get it out of dance

So we literally build and just keep reapplying CT?

or rupture

[sonic schooner]

Looks like

[leaden talon]

Dash on 0/4-2/4 with double lego

[outer cairn]

i don't understand your numbers there

[limber lion]

that's 0p or 2p with double lego

[outer cairn]

oh

well i just got 2pc

i kinda wanna swap back to sin now though

i bought a cloak to make finality which i mean i need

guess i can get another to make dashing.

but i need cinders

what woudl open look like say on pantheon if we played venth\

[lunar otter]

so just run unity belt if im not mythic raiding ?

[limber lion]

unity belt is perfectly fine

[lunar otter]

and dashign cos im a no tier boy

[sonic schooner]

We were asking to blizzard to make CT baseline, not to make it part of our complete 1 target rotation

[tidal gorge]

Crimson tempest ST again? FFS

Shoot me now

[misty holly]

Do we know how much uptime the sims assume you get from field of blossoms?

[slow marsh]

sim assumes 100%

[misty holly]

oh jesus..

Wonder if Niya might be better then

I would assume like 40% lol

thinking about how much I run around

[tidal gorge]

Is the legendary still duskwalker with that degeneracy? Still don't know if I even want to play like that

[limber lion]

Yes

[umbral rapids]

@limber lion are these changes in raidbots or not yet ?

[lunar otter]

so we get crit vers on belt standard can we cahnge it ?

[limber lion]

Most are, some rotational changes need some looking into before we slap em in

[umbral rapids]

aight safe to sim then i suppose

yall got degen af though what the hell

that's some 8.3 flashbacks

[outer cairn]

man if i wanted to play sin i'd need to recraft dashing and another unity belt with haste crit

or just say F it on the belt

cuz not that much stats

[oak sky]

This doesnt even seem that degen to me

[slow marsh]

well

we've been playing sin as this has been happening

so it's not a big deal to us

[tidal gorge]

Meh. I'm just going to play NF tonight since I was looking forward to that. Will figure this new crap out later XD

[strange python]

My sin sim is so low :( 13k compared to 15k sub

[umbral rapids]

it's fine tbh, it's just funny to me cause i sin has been so cozy

if anything this makes me more keen to play it

[outer cairn]

i'm up to 3 pieces tonight. thankfully

i've always liked sin and i think the bleed build is pretty nice

[strange python]

Necro simming for 13000, NF simming for 13700, sub simming for 14900 :(

[echo geyser]

yeah u need daggers for sin

[misty holly]

We just need another 5% aura buff

[echo geyser]

?

[misty holly]

Come on Ion, 56%. I know you can make it happen.

[echo geyser]

the new discoveries literally made sin 40 dps behind sub

with less variance

[jaunty steeple]

snapshotting shenanigans turn me off ngl

[misty holly]

I thought snapshotting was removed like 4 expansions ago.

[tidal gorge]

I wonder how screwed your dps is if you get a mechanic during your opener

I do kinda feel like I like the set and forget nature of NF

[strange python]

I got a 272. But yeah

[brazen zodiac]

opener in pins also apply to necro in m+ st?

[oak sky]

"Snapshotting shenanigans" bro literally the only change is playing ct and making sure you refresh before vendetta

[jaunty steeple]

[echo geyser]

@limber lion there will be updated faq for this right? how to play etc?

[slow marsh]

whisp said no cuz he quits

[echo geyser]

quit sin or game

[slow marsh]

sin

cuz mfd

[echo geyser]

i am not surprised

[oak sky]

Anti mfd propaganda

[viscid spear]

Wake up sheeple

[oak sky]

Cant wait to get my 285 sylv dagger in season 4

[slow marsh]

[oak sky]

Yeah like my guild will raid sod in 9.2.5 lol

Actually at that point might be a different guild

[manic pebble]

do we always hold vend to line up with flag with 4pcs + 2 legendaries?

my vend always ready while flag is like 15 secs cd

[oak sky]

Yeah

[manic pebble]

I see

what about shiv, still use it on cd or line up with those 2 too?

[oak sky]

You definitely always want it up for vendetta+flag, not sure about using it on cd or not tho

Sounds like a cev question

[brazen zodiac]

so how would you open with necro in aoe? gar sbs gar sbs shiv ct?

in m+ i mean

[manic pebble]

yea, I'm still confused with the timing 😦

[oak sky]

With snd already up, 4 gar into ct then sbs's into ruptures

Then at some point after a rupture or 2 you would vendetta shiv a prio

[brazen zodiac]

ah thx

havin 5 sbs sounds super pog tbh

[winged basin]

What do you guys do to mental reset? I’m sitting out artificer cause the rl thinks I need a break. I’ve died on every one of our artificer pills

[brazen zodiac]

esp in m+

[winged basin]

i am like malding rn

This is unlike me, and I can’t seem to shake the slump

[brazen zodiac]

i usually blame the tank

[winged basin]

[brazen zodiac]

should just go outside and take abreather tho bro its ok

you'll get the fight eventually everyones gotta wipe once or twice :D

[oak sky]

Just gotta think about what you did wrong and how you could live better and bring it back when ur in

[winged basin]

We killed it yesterday and I didn’t get hit by anything, but I died to skolex orbs twice and every single pull of xymox

[oak sky]

It is what it is man

Theres always a reason

If youre just tired maybe being sat is for the best

If its something you can control its still better to identify it and work on it

[red plaza]

Yeah best thing you can do is own up to it and not blame anyone else.

[zinc frost]

Everyone has bad days in raid, chin up king

[winged basin]

❤️

[spice spire]

GG go next homie

Happens to the best of us

[slow marsh]

im about to tilt if i dont get tier from gargleon

[solid mica]

Tru

[spice spire]

What’s gargleon

[oak sky]

Rn im just hoping my guild cant kill anduin and lords today so i can get tier from them tomorrow when i show up

[spice spire]

[outer cairn]

who is better for venth now? Nadj or Theo

[balmy condor]

theo

[outer cairn]

i'm toying around so I can run sims

[slow marsh]

4p aquired boys rip your parses

[split grail]

Turns out duskwalker/unity without the 4pc kinda sucks lol

[umbral rapids]

gzgz

[slow marsh]

except jk cuz mine are private

[brazen zodiac]

necro feels kinda hard in m+

or maybe i just cant tab target fast enough

@oak sky after i throw up some sbs and ruptures and vendetta prio a target, would i just slam envenom and sbs while getting resets?

[oak sky]

For overall you keep rupturing forever but prio mobs like gettint envenomed

[brazen zodiac]

5 charges feels like a lot xd

ah ok

when do we cast shiv?

[zinc frost]

With 2pc get bleeds up, put shiv on a prio target slam envenoms on prio

[carmine dawn]

is deathspike fixed

for lords

[oak pulsar]

does anyone have a weak aura for vendetta so its easier to see the timer so i know i have 5 sec left time to reapply?

[carmine dawn]

just set it to pretend pandemic

are you using afenar's WA?

[echo geyser]

is iqd gonna beat sigil for the new venthyr stuff?

[slow marsh]

yes it does but also that's assuming 100% stats

[lyric crater]

for vamp mfd bis talent for it with x 2 lego

[slow marsh]

idk what it sims at like 70-80% for the one or two times it gives mana

[outer cairn]

not gonna lie. keeping CT and Rupture up is rough

[hollow river]

I think it’s impossible to keep everything up during vendetta with 4p

[outer cairn]

i don't have 4p yet

[hollow river]

You have to let CT drop to get an envenom off for SnD I think

Oh

[outer cairn]

but i also have very little haste. my gear drops has basically removed the stat almost

[hollow river]

Then idk lol

In aoe you should have hella energy

[outer cairn]

probably

flag helps too lol

[hollow river]

Spread dose bleeds

[gusty mirage]

Friends, romans, countrymen

I have ascended

[outer cairn]

so according to the notes it says we should use everything the same way as the open

[hollow river]

40 gamer

4p

Calling it

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

Lucky mfer

Gratz

[gusty mirage]

normal helm

[outer cairn]

i went from 1 pc to 3pc tonight

[gusty mirage]

but we take the Ws

[hollow river]

I didn’t get heroic gloves tonight

Maybe heroic chest tomorrow?

[gusty mirage]

cleared 10/11H and the tier bosses in normal to get it

but we got it

[hollow river]

If not my guild might not reclear normal this week so I’m fucked

[zinc frost]

Gz king

[hollow river]

Hopefully we do

[gusty mirage]

wat

[vast crane]

ok i hope this isnt said further up because i cannot find it, The 2p, does it only affect(effect? lol) the bleeds/poisons that were there before the shiv or is it safe to reapply a new bleed during the shiv window?

[gusty mirage]

prio should be to get peeps their tiers

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

GM said if there’s only a couple people left with 3p after tonight we might not reclear normal

[outer cairn]

Does talents or open change if not 4pc but double leggo?

[hollow river]

...

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

Yeah hella

I think after tonight there’s only 3-4 3p gamers left

So we’ll see

[oak sky]

Pugging norm is ez so

Hopefully

[zinc frost]

Especially with even more anduin nerfs for normal

[brazen zodiac]

silly question but 12.5k overall in a mist 17 sound kinda ok?

also pog dagger

[hollow river]

Yes but pugging=no guildies to trade

[hollow river]

Pog

[tacit leaf]

so, is venth double leggo extra bugged rn? i have tried the unequip and requip unity first and re log workaround, but the CDR still isn't applying to flag

[hollow river]

Been working for me idk

[tacit leaf]

did u have to equip unity first, then duskwalkers, then quit game, and load game?

[hollow river]

Nope

[echo geyser]

did ppl find out if u could use the "old" cov legos not unity with other legos

or do u need unity to make 2x lego work

[hollow river]

You can’t

Afaik

[gusty mirage]

you need unity to make it work

[echo geyser]

ok

[hollow river]

Need unity

[echo geyser]

so instant scrap after quest done

[hollow river]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

it feels good

[echo geyser]

i have made dusk ring after seeing these venthyr tings

[hollow river]

Feels great to scrap obedience

👀

[gusty mirage]

imagine not believing in Kevin Ram

[echo geyser]

idk how i feel about MA tho

[hollow river]

Imagine needing an npc to do your dam for you

[echo geyser]

im gonna need a guide for this new shit tho

[ebon notch]

how can i sim double leggo without double leggo 😠

[echo geyser]

[echo geyser]

top gear

[hollow river]

Sec

[echo geyser]

u use unity instead of old cov legos

[hollow river]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t8yQwtuW2agYH6WsZ2vQyP

Check the APL

[echo geyser]

i need to understand it too

[hollow river]

[carmine dawn]

I’m late to the party

[gusty mirage]

[carmine dawn]

Rings are 160K

[gusty mirage]

looks like someone's buying a token

[echo geyser]

yeah i bought like 7 legos on thursday

saved some gold

[ebon notch]

i did

[echo geyser]

make sure u have no red triangle (left side akaari)

that means u cant use it cause no other "normal" gear

nothing to replace etc

[carmine dawn]

Ugh I have an unmade helm and full heroic tier, do I made unity helm?

Or buy ring and waist and just be out 250k

[echo geyser]

unmade helm? what that mean

unity helm is only rly for 4p all other slots

or 5p

[carmine dawn]

Yeah I have 4p all other slots

But heroic

[echo geyser]

yeah i mean thats fine

im just going belt at start

[carmine dawn]

Hmm, maybe just buy a waist in case for prog

And ring for sin

[ebon notch]

@echo geyser but if i wanna sim 2 leggos why it no workie

[echo geyser]

u mean dusk not unity right

[echo geyser]

it works

[carmine dawn]

Yeah

[echo geyser]

you have to select unity + other legos in whatever slots u wanna try sim

[carmine dawn]

Waist is definitely better for prog. There’s such a high chance you get a helm from vault or raid before you’re on farm

[echo geyser]

yeah i got a head but thats for later

[carmine dawn]

Yeah I’ll just pretend I made a 5head play

[hollow river]

idk what to take tbh

sack is like 100 dps but will be replaced fast

tier shoulders are ilvl upgrade

[gusty mirage]

take the shoulders

so you can trade heroic shoulders

[fleet anchor]

I'd probably grab tier shoulders

[ebon notch]

i did but it just equipped the unity and not the other one

[hollow river]

I’ll double check spreadsheet and see if anyone’s on my token needs shoulders

Probably take them anyway tbh sack would get replaced so fast

[ebon notch]

i had a third leggo selected ignore me please

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

😠

this is meant to be a learning discord

fk off

[tacit leaf]

so my covenent Unity leggo doesn't work by itself

without a 2nd leggo

[lofty pivot]

so sin with necro with unity and dustwalker still best?

[hollow river]

if you have 4p yes

[hollow river]

it should idk

[lofty pivot]

i have 2 piece

[gusty mirage]

play doomblade or zold then

[lofty pivot]

ok

[lunar otter]

so 2 set is still dashin ye?

[restive falcon]

should we be stacking haste gems now?

[tacit leaf]

you're right it should work alone... but it dont

[echo geyser]

depends on gear, use what topgear tells u to

[hollow river]

when i was necro earlier it was working fine

by itself

[hollow river]

if venthyr ye

[tacit leaf]

i'll try covenant swapping i guess

[oak sky]

Becoming a sin boy?

[haughty flicker]

if i play sin instead of sub will my friends laugh at me and my children disown me

[oak sky]

Call them cringe and say both are easy

[steel ridge]

Real chads are yellow

[echo geyser]

i play any specs if they are good

[oak sky]

Sin good

[haughty flicker]

i played outlaw for most of the last two tiers

[oak sky]

I was pretty excited to play sub more this tier guess im waiting until farm now

[haughty flicker]

but it doesnt feel as good now

[echo geyser]

i mean idk if this sin shit needs gear tho

i for one do not have 285 ryg mainhand

[oak sky]

I mean double leggo already pulls sin closer

[oak sky]

I got 278 week 1 vault

M+ cache

[echo geyser]

yeah i had a 278 skolex last week, but i got sat on pantheon so i didnt even bother taking it, if this venthyr discovery was made then i wouldve taken it

next sin fight for me was gonna be lords

thats miles away

[oak sky]

Yeah makes sense

[tacit leaf]

covenant swapping did not fix the venthyr unity

[oak sky]

If my sub ever sims like 100 over sin ill probably play it on skolex and rygie @echo geyser but other than that probably just one trick

I want to learn sub better but it might not be worth

Outlaw arc will come eventually but idk when that will be

[echo geyser]

sub 2x step tho

kinda bussin in raid

i took 0 ring dmg on sausage

[oak sky]

Yeah thats pretty sick

[echo geyser]

xymox

[oak sky]

Vamp tp exists too

[echo geyser]

idk about later bosses, i havent tried

[echo geyser]

yeah but dps loss

[oak sky]

Tru

[clear finch]

I was kinda looking forward to Fae Sin. Lol. Dusk is still the play with Venth 4p right?

[echo geyser]

too weak probably atm sadly

[oak sky]

Yep

[echo geyser]

im gonna play it in hc tonight raid tho

[oak sky]

Dusk cant be passed over

[echo geyser]

try new dust 500 apm gaming

[oak sky]

Ive barely practiced outlaw man

Idk if the zoomer hands are enough

[oak sky]

Yeah dusk everywhere always

[clear finch]

Rog

[bleak sky]

You could also just play fae

[oak sky]

L

Except its deeper subt

Biiiig W

[spare flame]

someone give it to me straight

is this new tech gonna have me playing venthyr assa for another tier

[echo geyser]

yes

[spare flame]

like on st over sub?

[echo geyser]

with CT on ST

with bis gear probably, its less variance and atm only 40dps behind

[spare flame]

ffs

[echo geyser]

i do like rng tho

im a gambling addict

[spare flame]

like i swear the same thing happens every tir. i get excited because subs lookin strong, then some new assa tech/buff comes through and im back to playin assa

[echo geyser]

get the sub cf's to find new apl improvements

[spare flame]

i guess machine gun vendettas will be fun

and slowin the apm down is a nice touch being the old fuck that i am

[chilly marsh]

still using zoldyck for dungeons?

[oak sky]

I mean idk bro last tier sub was just better

[chilly marsh]

i like to play both

timed all 20 with sin last path before coming back from a break

[steel ridge]

What new assa tech?!

Nvm 📌

[slow marsh]

Ye

I played NF on skolex tonight right after getting 4p and uhhhh let's just say I insta swapped back to venth.

[steel ridge]

Lemme guess, the haste field is a pain in the ass

👀

[slow marsh]

Yes but moreso I was just having a harder time tracking stuff while moving. Like I figured I'd go NF so I could deal with the mechanics easier but afterwards I think I would rather play the flag mini game

Over the track your shiv mini game

[hollow river]

i need a WA for those blue puddles

i can't even see them half the time lmao

[steel ridge]

Flag should line with vendetta so it’s probably the most practical anyway

[slow marsh]

You have to hold vend for every flag which feels bad but oh well ig

[steel ridge]

Mfd is spice

Mfd ct

I am getting some 8.3 vibes here

[echo geyser]

ct st

u love to see it

[slow marsh]

Wonder if there was someone who called the CT ST thing way back

[echo geyser]

vendetta = exsang with 4p

dusk = vendetta often

CT = low duration dot

[steel ridge]

Many asked about that

[echo geyser]

[tacit leaf]

@hollow river swapping to sub rogue and trying that didn't let unity work either....

[safe sluice]

without any tier is dusk or dashing will be better for 2nd leg?

[slow marsh]

[clear finch]

Dusk with 4p
Dashing without.

But also yeah Sim 😅

[oak sky]

I mean it defo was being looked at as i rember

[steel ridge]

doesnt really matter, take what you have until you get tier

[hollow river]

yep i definitely called it

[slow marsh]

Ye it was I am just cuz I got in 'trouble' for saying that we would be using CT in ST

[hollow river]

idk friend i guess do a bug report

do you not have a second leggo to use with it?