assassination

[stray pumice]

thank you

[undone eagle]

is this a new thing or im trippin?

that increased my mastery

[balmy condor]

That’s sub mastery

[undone eagle]

Yep but it has always been there right? I rarely play the spec

[weary marten]

yes

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

Since legion

That’s what sub mastery does

[undone eagle]

nice

[weary marten]

what stat will we put on unity if we wanna use it for sub and assa ? crit versa ?

[blissful forge]

do i funnel as an assa aswell or do i put ruptures up on as many targets while holding CT up

or do i just hold CT up and press FoK and Env into prio target

in m+

[weary marten]

you drop some rupture at least to get enough regen to spam

[blissful forge]

alright

so just hold up snd with like 1 or 2 envenoms or so?

[weary marten]

depending on target numbers, prio target or no

[woven bane]

do you use the haste buff from the cache trinket in st?

[pliant nest]

we dont use FoK on 2 targets right?

[subtle tundra]

no, not even on 3

[pliant nest]

ok thanks

[echo geyser]

3 for poison app right

but not spam

[spice spire]

Ye

[indigo ginkgo]

hey!!
So do we use has necro heimer or marileth ? with 4pc and dusck

[spice spire]

Whichever sims better

Is a cop out but real answer

[indigo ginkgo]

heimer for me simc better, but i was seeing logs and saw that for example ceve uses marilth

and thought , does he now someting ehehehe

[wide ridge]

We gaming

[strange python]

Where is BiS list for ass rogues?

[oak sky]

Isnt one, we recommend simming yourself with top gear for all upgrades

[balmy condor]

That’s fine, 1 mediocre stat won’t matter really

[balmy condor]

Always axe

Sword is…. Not great

[weary marten]

thanks for your answer even after some time

[balmy condor]

Honestly all the necrolord soulbinds are basically equal

[balmy condor]

I’m just catching up

[weary marten]

sure but you could just scroll down and be like, fuck this question ^^

So you deserve that big thank you for that

[balmy condor]

:)

[indigo ginkgo]

thanks

[serene shell]

correct me if im wrong but anduin looks to be assa fight to me?

[strange python]

think its more sub for funnel

but i play assa on all bosses, couldn't care less 😄

[balmy condor]

Yeh def not an assa fight

[ashen scroll]

For m+ I play zoldy right?

[limber lion]

or duskwalkers with 4p

[balmy condor]

Dusk with 4piece

But yeh

[ashen scroll]

im a 2p shitter

[balmy condor]

Zold otherwise

[serene shell]

I just feel like assa could but more damage into remnant cause of dmg amp than sub could ever hope to funnel

[balmy condor]

What damage amp

[limber lion]

intermission

[balmy condor]

???

[limber lion]

Anduin takes 300% damage

from you hitting Remnant

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[limber lion]

that's what he means

[balmy condor]

But that’s for everyone?

[serene shell]

you get 200% dmg amp

[balmy condor]

Why would that benefit sin

[serene shell]

to all abilites on intermision

[limber lion]

it doesn't

whatsoever

Sub will 100% do more damage

every time

[balmy condor]

If sub does 10k and sim does 9k

And you buff them both by 200%

Then it’s 20k and 18k

[serene shell]

but assa has much frontloaded dmg with vendetta and sepsis

[balmy condor]

Okay?

[serene shell]

np jsut felt strong cds would benefit more on this fight than funneling

was wrong it seems

[subtle tundra]

the intermission is long

like a minute

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s a full minute

You gotta have venth boomkin level burst for it to matter that much

And sin burst already isn’t that much higher than sub burst

Whatever extra damage you do in the first 20 seconds is gonna evaporate in the next 10

[glass coral]

Fairly new to assasination but mostly learning it fo certain fights in raid. Been deciding to lvl NF or Necro for covenants. The fights I plan to use sin on is lords and pantheon. Is necro the play on those 2 fights?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[glass coral]

Sounds good thanks. Guess I gotta do the cov campign….

[versed mica]

I just wish sub wasn't so

[storm belfry]

May be a dumb question, but Is the 2p dynamic to bleeds? Or just the ones that are active when you shiv

[limber lion]

It applies a debuff on everything around you, which increases the damage of all bleeds/poisons for the entire duration

and that applies to all bleeds, existing and new ones that you apply during it

very poggers

[storm belfry]

Okay nice. Ty Cev

[spare flame]

Does the assa 2 pc still work for bleeds cast on a target AFTER shiv has been cast?

Sorry im sure thats been answered several times but I dont see anything about it in the faq

[violet jackal]

it was answered 5 lines up. .

[winter vapor]

without tier Necro is still go to for Lords right?

[limber lion]

With and without, yes

Always Necro

[winter vapor]

ty 🙂

[winged basin]

so for night fae, what are we pressing as our "in stealth" ability? just mutilate? or we actually use ambush for it

and I assume it doesnt proc MA

[limber lion]

No, it doesn't do anything special

just use the Ambush proc

[winged basin]

word, thanks cev, and good luck on lihivum, I was lookin at ya 😛

[tender garden]

is sepsis going to take over in PvE content?

[limber lion]

thank you!

[strange python]

that 2 piece crimson tempest into shiv on anduin shadowream with mobs stacked

[winged basin]

crafted 291 duskwalkers for whenver I hit 4 pc ecks dee

[dusk summit]

Would it be worth crafting a 291 of zoldycks till we get the 4pc?

[winged basin]

I don't use zoldycks for anything but m+ and pantheon

[dusk summit]

All i do is m+

mainly cause we dont have the ppl for raids

[winged basin]

oh for sure then, if you dont raid that seems worth to me.

[dusk summit]

if you raid the doomblade?

[winged basin]

I raid with dashing cause it sims highest.

for me personally

[dusk summit]

Don't have dashing and I dont intend to make another lego. Got way to many.

[winged basin]

haha, well dont forget you can destroy the ones you dont plan to use for the materials

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

1 million gold right ?

[balmy condor]

Bout 550k

[strange python]

fair

[balmy condor]

Ring and neck were 350

The other 3 together were about 200

[bleak sky]

Damn boi

You got kinda scammed

[uneven hamlet]

geez

[winged basin]

oh nice lmao

[uneven hamlet]

whispyr is a rich boi

[gusty mirage]

wat

[winged basin]

im just lazy

I got my guild telling me to go sub

so im gonna get 4 pc this week magically

and ego our sub rogue

[balmy condor]

[winged basin]

well no not the sub rogue, the rest of them telling me to go sub ecks dee

[gusty mirage]

I upgraded my pvp dusk to 291, crafted a crit/haste 291, zold to 291, and I have the bracers ready for unity

[balmy condor]

Don’t make fun of me oxi

[gusty mirage]

and I spent like 120k total

[balmy condor]

I bought the cheapest stuff

[gusty mirage]

wtf is going on a52

[balmy condor]

At 3am, on a Thursday

[gusty mirage]

oh

rip

peak shark hours

[balmy condor]

:/

[gusty mirage]

if you need gold my hpal's got like 1.5 mil still

[balmy condor]

They weren’t cheaper at time for the rest of the week

I’ve been keeping an eye on it since Monday

[winged basin]

so uhh, what changed in night fae to make it gigachad with 4 pc? it not only confuses me but disgusts me :))))

[gusty mirage]

sepsis go brrr

[balmy condor]

4 piece + 2 piece + sepsis interaction + double legendary + shadowblades garrote + haste = good

[winged basin]

helpful as always thanks babes

[limber lion]

what the actual fuck

I can't get a single legendary for 120k

[winged basin]

my duskwalkers just cost me 78k

[strange python]

My ring was 120k

Went down to 80 tho

[winged basin]

zuljin op?..

[bleak sky]

nothing, he done goofed

I bought rogue leggos, dh leggos and 1 dk leggo for less than what he paid

[lean coral]

Dude in my server sells any leather slot for 60k

Saved my life

[gusty mirage]

stop using your secret cartel connects to get cheap leggos

but I nabbed 2 rings for a total of 44k, bracers for 38k and boots for 40k

[glass tulip]

I paid anvil gaming to make my leggos

No cap

[gusty mirage]

twas nice

[gusty mirage]

they need the help

[glass tulip]

I heard they just had another walkout

[gusty mirage]

your charity will not go unnoticed when they win the RWF

[winged basin]

heroic artificer, if you clear traps they come back to same spot?

[gusty mirage]

yeah

it's better to save cloak for the shitty overlaps in p3

[winged basin]

instantly or set time?

[gusty mirage]

they come back after like 10s or something like that

[glass tulip]

After set time, maybe like 10-15s

Yeah what oxi said

[gusty mirage]

so it can be useful to have someone clear if you get some unfortunate baits next to a portal

[lean coral]

Don't let your guild make you the trap bitch

[glass tulip]

It's long enough that you don't have to worry about them while you are teleporting for a set of rings

[lean coral]

That's for dks

[gusty mirage]

and hunters

[lean coral]

And hunters

[gusty mirage]

because fuck hunters

HELL YEAH

[lean coral]

Yeh

[glass tulip]

Can paladins freedom?

[red plaza]

Squash that now before mythic prog 😂

[gusty mirage]

nah but they can bub it

[red plaza]

Don’t let them get any ideas

[glass tulip]

LiG just tell bubbly to do it himself if he ever asks

[lean coral]

is there a reason why the raidbots opener uses ambush in the fae opener

over mut

[bleak sky]

because ambush does more damage

[limber lion]

ambush better

[lean coral]

kay

[winged basin]

my raid lead said and I quote "that sucks" cause we have 1 hunter, and 2 rogues, and our 1 dk is our tank lmaoooooooo

[lean coral]

wut about paladins

[bleak sky]

what sucks exactly

[lean coral]

his guilds tryna make him clear traps on xymox

[winged basin]

well we aint in there yet but me and the sub rogue are gonna be clearing lmaoooooooooo

[bleak sky]

there's no reason to clear traps

[lean coral]

thats what im sayingh

[brazen zodiac]

imagine

hi minal

[bleak sky]

I mean outside of very fucked scenarios that someone fucked

sup vita

[winged basin]

ecks

dee

[brazen zodiac]

whats poppin

[bleak sky]

mad that we went for xymox instead of dasaugne after skolex

but it's fine

[lean coral]

my guild went for sausage first

[brazen zodiac]

XD

i just killed h andy in a pug somehow

[lean coral]

and a bunch of people arent swapping to add so its annoying

[brazen zodiac]

bout 10 wipes ezpz

[bleak sky]

nerfs are very big big big

[lean coral]

they nerfed that man into being pmuch normal

[brazen zodiac]

what nerfs

darn

[winged basin]

I think we go to heroic tuesday

[lean coral]

no second abomb

[winged basin]

idk

[bleak sky]

no more 2nd monstrosity

[brazen zodiac]

oh that sucks

[bleak sky]

yeah

[brazen zodiac]

zzz

[lean coral]

only difference pmuch now is that you dont aim stars at adds

[brazen zodiac]

i always thought thtt was a ranged mec

[lean coral]

i guess theres limited clears in last phase but he dies before thats an issue

[brazen zodiac]

apaprently not cuz i got it like 20 times lmfao

[carmine fable]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Haste > Vers > Mastery
Note: Having a frost set equipped makes crit much better, usually making it your best stat by a good margin.

[winged basin]

I read dreamwalkers soulbind abilities and everything makes more sense

wow all the changes needed to be made with 4 piece make me mad uncomfortable

[steep quartz]

When we get our two set is crimson tempest buffed by the shiv aoe debuff? Or does that only apply to rupture, poisonbomb etc

[limber lion]

Crimson Tempest is a bleed

Shiv does work with it

It affects all poisons and bleeds

[mortal crystal]

It's probably mentioned here, but what is a good opener on Lords of Dread?

[balmy condor]

Gar sbs gar snd sbs

[brazen inlet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[brazen inlet]

!plater

[timid cloud]

What's the safest NL Soulbind, Cev?

If you were just to do an entire run with NL

N

[dusk void]

On average how much does Duskwalkers reduce the CD by?

[hollow river]

1 minute

[limber lion]

Marileth

[strange python]

guys any tips for heroic anduin ?

like im in first group and im saving vendetta for the mob downstairs

but like covenant talent wise

[timid cloud]

[tender quest]

what haste % to aim as assa?

[umbral rapids]

no specific %

loot stuff, sim stuff, wear stuff sim says

[bleak sky]

82.5% haste

[timid cloud]

[bleak sky]

minimum

[winged basin]

am I misunderstood? we going subtrefuge with 4pc too?

[timid cloud]

Ya

[winged basin]

ugh

this upsets me greatly

[bleak sky]

can always play another spec

or suboptimal talents if you'd rather

[umbral tulip]

What’s wrong with subterfuge?

[slow marsh]

What's wrong with subt yeah

Lol

[umbral tulip]

I like when my garrotes go brrr

[strange python]

ppl used to master assassin

is why

they dont like it

i said the same about subterfuge before using it

[slow marsh]

Imo subt so much better just because you don't have to switch around between st and 2t/multi builds

Also subt is guaranteed vs taking MA and not critting in the window. Felt real bad

[wide ridge]

90%ish crit during MA window and getting 2 cp mutilates

[slow marsh]

Yeah I've had my fair share of 99.5% crit (not an exaggeration) during MA window and still only getting 2/3 CP on muti

[oak sky]

Solution: 100% crit MA

[slow marsh]

Tru

[misty holly]

Am the opposite, I just stayed subterfuge because I kept hitting garrotte by habit when I tried MA lol

[strange python]

my issue was that the opener just didn't feel as meaty

im used to subt now

i dont mind

[misty holly]

It takes me too long to unlearn habits, so unless it's a significant dps difference I often just stick with what's working.

and since subterfuge was good for M+ anyways, that makes it even harder to unlearn something

since Im doing it in every M+ key

[hollow escarp]

that's lucky

[storm onyx]

Didn’t mutilate have a crit modifier in its first iteration?

[balmy condor]

depends what you mean by "first iteration"

[glass tulip]

well if this isn't the most beautiful thing I've ever heard

[oak sky]

Wish i got that dm

[echo geyser]

is that who i think it is

[spice spire]

I can’t even leak my DMs
I get some fucking goats tho

[glass tulip]

you can dm me but I have no idea who you are thinking of

[spice spire]

It’s me

[echo geyser]

are u NA tho

[glass tulip]

yes

[oak sky]

He is

[glass tulip]

but it is an EU person

so he may be onto something

[oak sky]

Bro i leak all my dms u guys are posers

[echo geyser]

i know who it is

[spice spire]

I’d get whispyr cancelled Smdh

[glass tulip]

dm me i wanna see

because I dont know why this person is relevant

[oak sky]

Mav swapping eu gg

[spice spire]

Ramfam, lore haver

[glass tulip]

i had never heard of them before

[echo geyser]

[glass tulip]

i want to

[spice spire]

Y tho

[glass tulip]

bc america sucks bro

I could go be italian or some shit

[spice spire]

Oh you mean just move

[ebon notch]

So how good would PvP badge be for assa now that we have 1 min vendetta?

[spice spire]

Yeah dub

[oak sky]

Good not good enough bozo

[ebon notch]

Could it be worth at a certain ilvl?

[oak sky]

Like every other on use is better

Cache sigil iqd

[ebon notch]

Yeah cause you're hardstuck 1400

[oak sky]

Earthbreaker

[glass tulip]

💀 now im scared bc ramfam knows something i dont about this guild

[ebon notch]

Getting 20 agi on use on god

[hollow river]

LOL

REKT

[oak sky]

I dont pvp

So i cant be hardstuck 1400

[spice spire]

He’s the healer in his 2 comps

[ebon notch]

4 set nf assa in PvP is insane actually

If I can dump my stuff it doesn't matter if I get cc'd

They just melt

[hollow river]

Even 2 set is insane

[oak sky]

Howd you know bro ur a mf worldofpvp watcher

[spice spire]

You think he earns these healing parses without pvp practice?

[hollow river]

Sepsis fucks

[spice spire]

Fellas always be log watching

In all content

[ebon notch]

Sepsis actually fucks

[spice spire]

Mfer you breathe in FF, I’ll know them parses

[ebon notch]

No 🧢

I'm really curious to see how AR and shadow blades feels on assa

[oak sky]

I have a friend in ff i tried to log watch but i couldnt rember his chars name 💀

[ebon notch]

Does the cd of vendetta drop even lower because of the increased regen?

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

It goes to :55-1:00

Afaik

[ebon notch]

What is it without? I haven't checked but it feels close to 1 min for sure

[hollow river]

Without what exactly

You talking about the AR regen specifically?

4set should be basically 1 minute vendettas or slightly less

[static coral]

With double leggo about to hit is it still general consensus outlaw is better at m+ ?

[hollow river]

I’d say outlaw and sin have been about the same in m+ for a while now

Sub has just been flat out better

[ebon notch]

So it's the same with AR or without?

I don't understand your previous comment in relation to this one

[hollow river]

i didn't know you meant the AR when you said inc regen at first

thought you were talking about the inc regen during Vendetta from the 4set effect

it's all roughly 1 minute, you might gain an extra few sec from the AR i'd guess

[ebon notch]

Yeah sorry for the lack of transparency

[violet hemlock]

isnt getting it to a minute p much playing on gcd

[autumn frost]

I have no tier yet, and with double legendaries coming out on tuesday I'm trying to figure out where to craft dashing. Considering feet doesn't contest tier slots, why wouldn't I craft dashing on my boots over cape?

I'm basing this on the recommended slot being back.

[violet hemlock]

Id say its not worth recrafting dashing for most

[autumn frost]

I want that dps output now!!!

[violet hemlock]

well if its a temp thing Id sim it

and go with what slot gives the best dps rn

[autumn frost]

Good point!

[rotund oak]

2 days more

[violet hemlock]

Imagine having 4pc 😦

[rotund oak]

all in good times friend!

[gusty mirage]

better than it has been

[brave gazelle]

Its decent but any of our "bis" or go to trinkets will beat it at the same ilvl
Its a good start if you've nothing else decent and like pvp but it'll be replaced easily by a raid trinket or vial/totem

[pure moth]

2nd run

[toxic verge]

Guys will assa compete will Sub when 2 leg arrives?

(Considering 4p and NF + Dusk build)

[brave gazelle]

In what context ay

[toxic verge]

forgot to specify. Raid, Single and AOE...

[oak sky]

Yes it will in st its still gonna be behind but it gets pretty close

Aoe not even close

[toxic verge]

yeah. So sub it is.

[brave gazelle]

For the raid on some fights I feel it will and others it won't
For pvp id say they're on par in the fight hands
For m+ subs still probably gonna be lots better

[toxic verge]

I hate sub.

[oak sky]

Cleave will stay better on sin

[brave gazelle]

Right*

[brave gazelle]

End of the day unless you're a mythic raiding pumper play What you find most fun man, you're not gonna be a hindrance playing assassination over sub

Just as long as you're no one of those pirate rpers over in outlaw ;)

[oak sky]

Even mythic raiding pumpers are still one tricking sin

Maybe not in world first, but definitely in hof, including our buddy ceverion

[brave gazelle]

Saw that exercute necro build infectious was using too looks hella fun

[wild beacon]

Play sin then

[steel ridge]

you what

[brave gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/pewdiepie-9year-old-army-t-gay-congratulations-for-legal-reasons-thats-a-joke-gif-13924557

[balmy condor]

That’s just one boss in the raid sadly

[torn atlas]

You mean I shouldn't have crafted these 291 zoldyk pants?

[balmy condor]

Zoldyck PANTS?

You crafted zoldyck on PANTS

On a TIER SLOT

[timid cloud]

This mans has 4P already & is prepared for his BIS.

[balmy condor]

Zold on legs isn’t even bis

Cause then you can’t put unity on helm

Cause it would break tier

It’s so cursed

[hollow escarp]

unity on head

[brave gazelle]

Aye is unity on head no the go to?

[hollow escarp]

depends on what tier pieces you currently have

[brave gazelle]

A meant best case scenario

[balmy condor]

Unity on head is the best case yes

Once you have all your 285 tier and shit

[drifting cloud]

you can get 285 tier from mythic raid slot without killing the bosses I assume?

or?

[civic granite]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[subtle tundra]

unity on waist, like a king

cause if i dont got a quality belt, what gonna hold my massive balls

[pallid panther]

anyone got 4pc and killed heroic Lords of Dread?

tossing up duskwalkers vs zoldycks

[hollow river]

you can sim it

just make it a 2 target X minute sim

[thick furnace]

Will you use crimson tempest in single target once you have 4 set Boni? What are you guys thinking?

[vestal wren]

probably worth to look at a sim

[hollow river]

only if talented into it for cleave already

you wouldn't use it in a pure ST fight

[thick furnace]

Yea that’s clear. But is it worth talenting for pure single because it will tick twice as fast due to set?

[hollow river]

no

[thick furnace]

Okay thanks mate.

[hollow river]

np

[timid cloud]

YOU HEARD IT HERE ITS HELM OR BUST BOYS

[rotund oak]

anduin pumping tonight

[indigo mulch]

I must say necro sin is bae

[remote shoal]

should I maintain tempest on the 2target part of pantheon? or just wait for 4 target

[solid venture]

always refresh CT in pandemic window

[remote shoal]

ah ok cheers

[solid venture]

its big dam with the 2set. will most likely be your top dmg spell throughout that fight if you use it correctly

[remote shoal]

I tht it might not be worth on 2 target but idk CT very much

cheers

[peak musk]

with 4pc and subterfuge do you use the “old bfa opener” to extend garrote?

G - Snd - G?

[zinc frost]

gar - snd - ambush

[pseudo hamlet]

About the tier and legendaries - whats the best option? I mean the total BIS pieces?
I am still currently at 0 tier slots(🥲 ), but I am collecting 278ilvl pieces from the M+ for the cypher.

[zinc frost]

It’s in #assassination-faq for what’s BIS in regards to 4pc + double leggo

You’ll want to run venthyr for double leggo and necro for cleave/multi-target fights with no tier set

[lunar otter]

do we use all sbs charges on single target im a new necro boys 😄

[solid venture]

you dump them when you get heirmir gemstone proc

use 1 on pull then wait for gemstone

[lunar otter]

only got marileth atm 😄

[solid venture]

better start farming some boreghast then ^^

[lunar otter]

ye i am

[solid venture]

marileth is good on add waves cuz u get alot of resets for kevin buff

[lunar otter]

gotta do campaign first to unlock them then lvl them up >.<

and mari for m+ ye?

[solid venture]

most likely yeah

[lunar otter]

aoe opener ?

[brazen zodiac]

spam all ur buttons on keyboard and pwn

[lunar otter]

kk

[uncut knot]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[solid venture]

garret 1 garret2 garret 3

[spice spire]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[celest marlin]

yo is dagger from m+ the best idea if not raiding hc?

[hollow river]

In what context

Just for farming weapons in general? Yeah

Run a Droptimizer on raidbots to see which dagger sims the best

Usually Mists dagger or PF

[timber gale]

is it like. pretty bad to craft unity as a ring over wrists or does it matter that much

[spice spire]

Since you want dusk on ring and they’re unique equipped it’s not great

[timber gale]

can you not wear 2 rings? I guess i never knew; I always expected they would behave differently

[spice spire]

I pinged

Afaik you cannot.
Can’t say I’ve tried given we haven’t had double leggos.
But the way it behaves in sims it doesn’t seem so

[hollow river]

I don’t believe you can use 2 rings since they’re unique-equip. That’s always been the rules with 2 identical rings unfortunately

[timber gale]

yeah i guess i felt like they wouldn't be the same item once you make them into legendaries

but i at least understand why ppl are sayin' belt/wrist/helm better now

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

Ngl would be kinda cool if you could use 2 rings

[slow marsh]

Fun detected

Must disable

[spice spire]

Silence survival hunter main

[slow marsh]

But on the real I'm hoping for the mythic chest tier tomorrow from vault and then I'll craft unity on my head

[spice spire]

Disgusting

4p hoper

[pure moth]

haha

[hollow river]

LOL

He overdosed @spice spire

[slow marsh]

I'd rather get rid of the gross gloves but apparently sim tells me I need some more mastery in my life so /shrug

[spice spire]

Bro?

[solid venture]

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

Autocorrect lmao

[hollow river]

In his wife

[spice spire]

How many times have you said in my wife?

[hollow river]

She needs more poison damage bro

[slow marsh]

Prolly

[spice spire]

Iceblades secretly married oshosi

[slow marsh]

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

Lmfao

[sturdy merlin]

Hey guys i see that unity should be crafted on wrists, wouldn't it be better to craft it on neck?

it gives big stats and doesn't take a tier slot

[copper hazel]

jailer neck

[slow marsh]

It gives big non agi stats on neck

[spice spire]

Jailer drops a neck.

Same with belt

Same with x y and z piece.
It’s a general guideline. You aren’t hamstrung into following it, but wrists are somewhere non-invasive for “bis gear”

[sturdy merlin]

Ah yes i always forget about neck not giving main stat

[gray hazel]

Does the 4 set do a one time snap shot of the bleeds? Or is it 100% faster the entire time vendetta is up?

[strange python]

crit haste on all leggos right ?

zold, dusk

[solid venture]

you can refresh garrote and rupture just before vendetta ends and it will snapshot the 4pc effect until gar & rup runs out / you reapply them again

[solid venture]

yeah, although crit mastery might be better on zold

[raven vapor]

Unity is a normal craft right? base item + missives + dust/cinders/flux?

[drifting cloud]

is there like a tldr for idiots like me of everything that changes in general raid gameplay with 4p

[hollow escarp]

#assassination-faq message

[drifting cloud]

I forgot to put the word rotational in there

like how important is it to redot before vendetta expires atleast I havent seen that written anywhere

[solid venture]

pretty sure you always want to reapply garrote and rupture right before vendetta ends

[spice spire]

Yes

It’s fairly important mr. ryler

[surreal halo]

Currently sat at work with no ability to sim p.much before starting HC Lords of Dread, and haven't really played assass since CN Doomblade. Currently have 4set and 265 obedience, is it likely worth crafting a 291 duskwalker ring when I log on? Or stick with obedience as single Lego?

[spice spire]

Duskwalker

Is definitely better

[surreal halo]

Beautiful

I'll craft just before raid then - thank you!

[spice spire]

But also gear compare makes it easy but I’m demonic and sim on my phone all the time

Best of luck mister army

[surreal halo]

Thanks friend :)

Phone simming is next level

[slow marsh]

Phone simming is how I know I have an addiction

To tc

I'll just be on the pooper simming some random shit just to see green blue and yellow numbers

[hollow river]

Someone get this man to rehab

Hopium, copium, Mastery with his wife, and now phone simming addiction

[solid venture]

there's worse things to be addicted to tbh

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

What are you saying mister iceblades

[slow marsh]

That I sim on my phone when I can't sim on my PC even though I'm at my PC most of the day so yeah

[spice spire]

Real

[brazen zodiac]

yo quake

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vpXLyHP7yrbWQqpeELn8dF

this seem reasonable?

also goin to another driving lesson

[spice spire]

Yes

Also gl vita

[brazen inlet]

does fan of knives not give as many combo points as shuriken storm?

[lean coral]

Nope

Unless you crit

[restive falcon]

i have a upgradable phial and now so'leahs but i also have a heroic sigil

what do we want for so'leahs? do we want crit or haste

[lean coral]

You can sim that

See which ones better for you

[restive falcon]

im simming whats best rn cause my phial is 255 and my so'leah is 259 but waiting till reset tomorrow to upgrade and was just wondering which is better

wait @lean coral how do u sim with haste and crit?

gear compare doesnt have anything for specific crit or haste and neither does top gear unless im blind

[brazen zodiac]

ru talking about the trniket

its in advance doption i think

[restive falcon]

ye

oh

i do see now

ty

[brazen zodiac]

o kk

there u go

[alpine radish]

Unreal from echo for that kill still had like 15 seconds of massive bang to go

[hollow river]

Idk if I would’ve upgraded a soleahs

Or is it that good for sin

[alpine radish]

Sims okay but kinda tricky if youve got decent stats already i think there is def better out therr

[hollow river]

Yeah I’m just not spending any Valor until I get a Phial

Once we get to Pantheon I’ll likely upgrade a dagger for main hand

[alpine radish]

Im scared of upgrading weapons as i know i only need a m+ dagger in vault for it to be useless 😂

Alot of points

[fading wigeon]

lol same reason I have been sitting on my 262 dagger, so worried about that m+ dagger drop , but will probably follow trickz and just wait for phial with my valor

[bleak sky]

Idk, just upgrade it on a tuesday

Or Wednesday if euro

[spice spire]

Upgraded my busta phial just to get a 262 Saturday night

Hate life

[hollow river]

That’s why I’m waiting lol

[craggy oak]

Anyone here with 4pc yet? Wondering on your thoughts on how it plays and feels.

[proper tapir]

With 4p and dusk while playing necro, do we use the vend on CD between vanishs? Or hold it a bit to sync with shiv maybe?

[limber lion]

feels good

[limber lion]

Yes, we use Vendetta on CD as much as possible

you hold Shiv for Vendetta, not the other way around

[balmy condor]

Die

Tier abuser

[timid cloud]

Whoa!

[balmy condor]

Just wait cev, I’ll get 4 piece and all you private logs will be blue

[timid cloud]

You literally cannot say that..

That’s TOXIC

Bug abuser Whispyr, hiding the secrets….

[balmy condor]

My one kill on the boss will take the top 200 slots and it won’t be close

Running laps

[timid cloud]

You’ll be 5k ahead.

It’ll be Whispyr, Whispyrr, Whispyurr

In all 10 slots.

[balmy condor]

Nah im 21k ahead like a fucking half marathon

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

21k got me feeling like savage

[limber lion]

I'll think about it

nah

I'm good

[brazen zodiac]

ill take up that offer tbh

sup cev

[limber lion]

Well jokes on you blue is my favorite color

[balmy condor]

I dont give a fuck about hoes
I dont give a fuck your bros
I dont give a fuck about your toes
Your hoes
Your manicure or pedicure toes

• Sir Lanez of Canada 2021

[limber lion]

💙

[brazen zodiac]

sup whisp

how r u cool gamers

[balmy condor]

it's rise and grind

gotta fill an empty vault full of dogshit wrists and rings that I won't use tomorrow so I can tell myself that I at least tried

[limber lion]

I'm just practicing for a concert on Friday, maybe run a key or two later

[brazen zodiac]

pog

i parallel parked for the first time today

ezpz

[limber lion]

I've never driven a car

[balmy condor]

who ask

[cobalt hemlock]

you are playing an instrument or sing?

[hollow river]

Deeem gurrrl

[brazen zodiac]

ur gf did in my dms

?

[limber lion]

I have a viola gig on Friday and a violin gig on Thursday

:')

[cobalt hemlock]

thats crazy

[hollow river]

So fiesty this morning omg

[balmy condor]

oh makes sense

[brazen zodiac]

i hope u get a tier piece in ur vault

[brazen zodiac]

oh really?

[balmy condor]

my gf usually gone to work by the time I wake up but she works late today

so I wake up

this bitch just snoring like a fog horn bruh

[indigo mulch]

Do it.

[brazen zodiac]

but whisp

who ASKED

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

hi oxi

[bleak sky]

[indigo mulch]

I kicked my gf out of bed when shes snorig to loud.

[brazen zodiac]

thats based ok

[balmy condor]

my fat fucking nuts did, they grew so large they developed complex thought and detached themselves from my body, walked to your moms house and inserted them into her mouth

[indigo mulch]

:Toxic:

[brazen zodiac]

dude my moms like an obese walking corpse

u rather cut them off then stick them near her

[limber lion]

I'm sure she's a nice lady

[balmy condor]

nah

[brazen zodiac]

and if ur nuts ARE able to d that then go i demand you let us talk to them

who knows they might discover new sin tech :O

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor you want some of the cloaks and gloves I’m about to get?

[echo geyser]

juicer vault

wish u all the luck oxi

[hollow river]

I bless this box with many virtuous items

[brazen zodiac]

watch him take a socket tomorrow

[echo geyser]

its so hard to take sockets

[balmy condor]

nah he's gonna have tier in it, but it's an ilvl upgrade

[echo geyser]

cause even base items are good from m+

[gusty mirage]

The last 2200 honor was pain, 6 rbgs for 2k honor

[brazen zodiac]

idk even if its like a minimal upgrade itd still take socket

[echo geyser]

i havent started pvp yet this week

5.5k to go

[brazen zodiac]

like 30 dps <socket idk

[gusty mirage]

What did I do to deserve this? Huh?

[brazen zodiac]

wait i saw they removed the 278 conduints from the new enlightened dude

so anyone know how we get em now?

[gusty mirage]

They moved it to the covenant vendors in oribos

[balmy condor]

3k io

[brazen zodiac]

ahhhh ok thanks

[gusty mirage]

The quartermasters

[brazen zodiac]

thats all 20s timed right

[limber lion]

something like that

[brazen zodiac]

based ok

[gusty mirage]

Not necessarily, just 3k io bro

[brazen zodiac]

just get 3k io bro come on it aint hard

[limber lion]

I'm not getting it

[brazen zodiac]

wtf do u even 3k io?

[limber lion]

because I couldn't care less about 17 dps

[gusty mirage]

I’m close

[brazen zodiac]

close to death if u got almost 3k io

[gusty mirage]

Only 308 more IO

[limber lion]

If our conduits were actually good

if only

[brazen zodiac]

if only

one day cev

[limber lion]

one day?

hell noi

[brazen zodiac]

next xpac

i promise

[gray fjord]

How much do you wanna bet you have to rebuy the 278 conduit for every covenant.

[limber lion]

this system can die

[gray fjord]

[brazen zodiac]

dont worry the dragons gonna take care of u

[limber lion]

yuk

[brazen zodiac]

they gonna give u all the high tier ocnduits u need

[loud light]

will they give us conduit energy too

[brazen zodiac]

no they want you to suffer

[gusty mirage]

Nah the one they put in 9.1.5 gives you 200 of all

[gray fjord]

Ah did it? that's good to know, oxi. xD

[gusty mirage]

Even blizz is too lazy to recode that

[gray fjord]

I figured they'd be trash and not know how to

[gusty mirage]

If the original one didn’t, I’d bet my life on it

Copy paste forget - Activision Blizzard

@limber lion if I get gladiator this season will you finally be proud of me?

[proper tapir]

Thank you, Cev. Any rule of thumb? Hold shiv for up to X seconds to sync with vend?

[limber lion]

Just use every other Shiv with Vendetta.

Vend + Shiv
Shiv
Vend + Shiv
Shiv

[limber lion]

I've been proud of your ass since cn

but gladiator is insane if you get it

I can't even get Rival

[jaunty kayak]

worth using 262 iqd instead of 252 amp with 255 phial on lords + rygelon hc progress? :D

[limber lion]

I play 2-3 games and then I have to stop, not for me.

[limber lion]

Just sim it and trust the sims

Doesn't really matter that much honestly

You will not get full value from your IQD on Rygelon though

[jaunty kayak]

hmmm... and what % of stat proc is reasonable to sim "reality" ? :D

cuz 100% stat proc has to be sim bait

imo

[limber lion]

You can sim something like 80%

but it doesn't really matter that much honestly

I would just sim 100% and keep in mind that in most fights I will not get multiple uses out of it

Unless IQD is super duper ahead of everything else, I wouldn't play it

[outer acorn]

How much haste is optimal for LoD to swap from vigor to DS?

If that even matters

[gusty mirage]

There’s no haste breakpoint

[timid cloud]

You pick it or you don’t.

Vigor is the comfy talent.

[umbral rapids]

doesn't it make more sense to play ds if necro anyway?

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

During Gem you get gigga CP.

[outer acorn]

so what would you recommend for a rusty guy who hasn't played assa since BFA?

[balmy condor]

in terms of what

[bleak sky]

reading the guide, pins and faq

[balmy condor]

I recommend a mcgriddle and 10 nuggets

[red plaza]

Bacon or Sausage McG?

[mortal pike]

[balmy condor]

sausage

[mortal pike]

I havent had a mcgriddle in so many moons

[timid cloud]

I eat like 100 nuggets, 4 spicys, 2 doubles, & 4 large fries.

Gotta bulk.

[oblique wasp]

Hi guys, can I ask - for pure single target, is it better to roll Lethal Poisons conduit or can I switch it to Maim, Mangle? (I am Venthyr with Theotar)

[timid cloud]

It’s usually LP though. MM is poop unless there’s like…a massive conduit level diffy, but there usually isn’t.

I think you only take MM in PvP right now if you were to actually use it.

[deft vault]

nah lethal is still better there in pvp

[oblique wasp]

ok thank you very much 🙂

[timid cloud]

I got some sausage right here for you hotrod.

[spice spire]

????

[bleak sky]

[timid cloud]

Anyone else stuck in Plaguefall jail?

[spice spire]

Nah I’m free

Tazavesh jail inc

[bleak sky]

tfw phial not good

[bleak sky]

I'm dreading running streets for that stupid tank trinket

[open arrow]

so with only 2 pc, should you go doom instead of flag as venthyr? my 262 doom lego sims like 150 dps higher then my 291 flag lego

[spice spire]

Oh true

[spice spire]

Do you have mfd > vigor set?

[open arrow]

I'm using vigor

[copper zephyr]

do assa rogues want to swap to double sylvanas mythic daggers like sub or is there no weaponswapping going on (during execute*)

[spice spire]

For venthyr, it’s generally better to run marked for death

[bleak sky]

no weapon swapping

[cedar edge]

(pvp) what poisons should i apply in gates?

[spice spire]

#pvp is a better place

We’re all PvE andys outside of a few

[open arrow]

ye I simed with mfd and it sims higher but still with doom instead of flag xd

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Oh hey there’s one rn

[gusty mirage]

Next time, just ask in #pvp to save you the trouble of asking in multiple channels. But to clarify:
Assassination plays crippling and deadly poison in pvp
Outlaw/Sub play crippling/wound

[timid cloud]

Hemotoxin…

[cedar edge]

no one answers in pvp channel

[bleak sky]

you did JUST ask this in pvp channel

and it's a slower one

give them time to answer

[cedar edge]

I asked in this channel 1 min after asking in pvp channel

[bleak sky]

Once again, pvp is a >slow< channel. Give them time to answer. Alternatively if you want an instant answer, use the serch box in discord and you'll likely find what you're looking for.

[cedar edge]

Why would i ask in pvp channel instead of asking here when i get faster answer here?

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

Because the vast majority of people in the spec channels don’t pvp at all, it’s just a safer bet to get accurate information in pvp

[cedar edge]

Good point

[timid cloud]

Because most can only give you a side-ball from what we barely know, which may even be wrong.

When In reality you’ll get more accuracy, as Oxi said from the actual PVP channel.

[gusty mirage]

If that makes sense at all. I hope my first reply didn’t come off as aggressive I just wanted to try to save you some effort checking all the spec channels

[timid cloud]

Example…

[gusty mirage]

I should really unmute the pvp channel though

[timid cloud]

Here’s the example.

[bleak sky]

all channels muted

[gusty mirage]

Silence DH main

[timid cloud]

I was wrong. Want to know what I used if I didn’t get an answer?

https://drustvar.com

[bleak sky]

I'll mana break your healer in 2s

[gusty mirage]

Thoughts for a new pin in pvp 👀

[timid cloud]

Yeah. It’s not actually that bad.

[gusty mirage]

Manabreak deez

[timid cloud]

Gotta not get killed In my full CP kidney though.

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I’ll get to working on a tldr for the pvp channel

[timid cloud]

DH CAN DIE

BIG DAM BIG DAM GOGOGOOOOOGOGOG

[deft vault]

@cedar edge Deadly/crippling

[rapid forum]

hey, how can i do a shadowstep moseover macro ( for friends for example) that also steps on my target if i dont have a mouseover?
#showtooltip Shadowstep
/cast [@mouseover,exist][] Shadowstep
tried this so far, but it doesnt work on the boss anymore

[bleak sky]

#displaytooltip
/cast [target=mouseover,exists,nodead] Shadowstep; Shadowstep

if you have something steppable on your mouseover, it goes there. if not, steps to your target

[timid cloud]

Apparently Cache is only worth 10 more DPS in comparison to my 252 Salvaged...

[rapid forum]

worked, thanks

[subtle tundra]

its not that impressive on ST

[limber lion]

yeh pad trinket

[strange python]

Sigil or ooze gamers

Sadly I won't see pantheon kills till farm

[bleak sky]

show your guildies the power of necro sin

[strange python]

They don't believe me that sin on Tuesday will slap

Also we're cutting our melee since our healers aren't great and animastorms are slapping

So it'll be war/war/enh/frost DK

And dh for debuff

[timid cloud]

[strange python]

Can't imagine theyll change that for first reclear at least

[limber lion]

heroic or mythic?

[strange python]

Mythic

[limber lion]

Assa is good

#trust

[strange python]

We're on lihuv ATM. But obv not extending

I know. But they don't believe 4set deathspike will outpeform those specs

[limber lion]

noobs

[strange python]

:/ doesnt help that there's like 5 public sin kills

And they assume the sub kills are just due to lack of other options for those rosters

[limber lion]

I can take pictures of our kill if you want more proof

Probs not enough to convince them though

[strange python]

Just a DPS breakdown on kill might help

Yeah they'll hand waive away with "but double Lego warrior slams"

As though deathspike won't pump

[strange python]

You running heirmir?

[limber lion]

Deathspike is good on 4t

Yes

[strange python]

Throw out sbs to all targets when they activate, then dump the charges when gem comes back up?

I haven't touched Necro all expac

[limber lion]

Pretty much

[strange python]

Necro seems...kinda easy unless I'm missing something

[limber lion]

With DS you get combo points rolling much faster

and you can save up charges for p3 beforehand

[strange python]

DS crimson????

[limber lion]

Yes

[strange python]

Interesting

[limber lion]

EP/Subt/DS/Alac/CT

Every single boss, except Skolex/Halondrus

[strange python]

Yeah I know the rest never change

[loud light]

sbs should stay on them from p1/p2 into p3, they're cheaters

[strange python]

I thought it was vigor with CT

[limber lion]

Nah they have no synergy together

[strange python]

I guess energy isn't as big of a deal with 4set and dusk

And obv 4 targets to rupture

[bleak sky]

cev what are you doing to those poor mobs

[strange python]

Hmm. Zold or dusky for panth

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

Zoldyck

[spice spire]

I think the more disgusting thing is

[limber lion]

It's much easier to play and p3 is the part that matters the most

[spice spire]

The 47 parse above him

Aff locks truly vile creatures

Damn

[limber lion]

They also get fed externals to make that happen

Our warlock, Bish, was getting PI + Faeries

[spice spire]

VILE

[bleak sky]

look at those numbers

affliction warlock FUCKS on pantheon

[spice spire]

Wait

Where’s pushba

[limber lion]

on the bench

[spice spire]

DAMN

[bleak sky]

no 4p = bench

EZ CLAP

[glass tulip]

just got soleahs trinket in 1 kc

ezclap

[strange python]

Cev, you got a personal damage breakdown from that kill? Surprised the three public logs are so much worse

[drifting cloud]

theyre not cev

[limber lion]

Barely doing more than an assa rogue when they're getting fed PI's and BE's though

And "Assa is a bad spec for Pantheon"

[ebon notch]

this was mythic with zoldycks?

[limber lion]

Yes

[ebon notch]

you never cease to impress

thats an unholy amount of dps

[bleak sky]

you're not a point of comparison though let's be honest

[limber lion]

Mm maybe, but I still think there would be some Assa gains to be had all around, but people just default to other specs

Assa is a super dead spec this tier for some reason

Not Outlaw-level dead

but still kinda dead

[spice spire]

They’re not believers, Cev

The faithful will be rewarded

[limber lion]

But yeh, I don't mind it

Love to see Sub getting some recognition after such a long time

Actually a decent spec nowadays

[cunning locust]

which stats should i get on 291 cov leggo if i'm gonna play sub and assa?

[strange python]

I would like it if I didn't hate weapon master and 4set so much

[limber lion]

Crit/Vers is perfectly fine

[kindred rapids]

@limber lion teach me your ways

I need to make a case for why I should be in for mythic guardian with no tier bonus

[gusty mirage]

do you have 0 pieces still?

[limber lion]

This is our first kill without 4p

[kindred rapids]

yes

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Just tell them Assa execute good

and execute good on that boss

[kindred rapids]

we're going into mythic before doing hc lod or rylegon

[strange python]

That sounds like a mistake

[gusty mirage]

why

[limber lion]

Yeh literally 0 reason to do that

[strange python]

Hc lod and rygelon are giga easy and tier is way better than the bad loot table on guardian

[kindred rapids]

dunno

[limber lion]

HC Lod/Rygelon are easier bosses

and they drop tier

and you will not kill LoD/Rygelon on Mythic

[gusty mirage]

lmao my RL was planning on going into mythic

[strange python]

Also unlocks those tier slots for vault in heroic

[gusty mirage]

saw liquid kill skolex right before enrage

and was like nah nah we're full clearing heroic and normal for 2 weeks

now we kill tier bosses in normal (and jailer for the peasant strength 2hander users) and 10/11H

[strange python]

We took 40 pulls to kill artificer mythic and I'm still mad about it

[grim tangle]

skolex without 2 set was pretty rough dps check ngl

[strange python]

Fucking boomie got autod on platform 1 by going too early 7 times

[gusty mirage]

yea and at the time he made the decision we had 2 people with 2pc, our brewm and a spriest

lmao

[old halo]

I am the sad one in my raid group with 0 teir pieces, with double leggo should i wait to switch to nf until i get the 4 set?

[bleak sky]

melee in my skolex kill were absolutely pepega

none of us could actually do damage

[strange python]

We had to drop the raid down to 3 melee for skolex kill

And there were still pools everywhere

Melee range healers are a cancer on this game

[gusty mirage]

oh I saw

dw

[bleak sky]

myself included

[gusty mirage]

I can't wait to die to skolex because I zone out and get hit by a pool

[strange python]

There's a good WA

[bleak sky]

next week we obliterate the boss

[strange python]

Does a little countdown till the pool hits the ground

[bleak sky]

[gusty mirage]

[uneven hamlet]

a problem on our prog is this, we raided 2hours wih ppl getting portals to drop after going to plataform, we learned to wait at the end of the night lo

[gusty mirage]

progress is progress

[strange python]

I got real sad seeing might and vodka down artificer in an hour

While we took two nights

[nimble tartan]

wtf i was marker man i called stack for my melee and healers

we were so cleann

but we had like 8 melee men or s/t

[strange python]

Our melee are...not very good

Our ranged are some fucking pumpers

[gusty mirage]

slurp also built diffy

[cedar edge]

Will bis leggo change?

[limber lion]

With 4p?

With double legendaries?

[cedar edge]

yea

[limber lion]

With 2p?

[cedar edge]

all of it

[limber lion]

Gotta be a bit more specific