assassination

[oak sky]

lords of dread AND rygelon tier

[timid cloud]

That had a socket & some speed too.

But I saw the helm & I knew I had to take it.

[oak sky]

leech for sure

you wish it had leech

[timid cloud]

I had leech on the uhhh trinket & other ring.

LOL

Signet

[hollow river]

I wonder if trying to snapshot haste from Cache with 4p will be good

[misty holly]

Is it really only 3% chance for a vault slot to have tier?

[hollow river]

For m+ slots yeah

[brazen zodiac]

its 3% chance for the m+ slot yeah

[hollow river]

Though it seems more than that tbh

[brazen zodiac]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qv9DwC1963yedC8xC3vqKx huh i figured the 278 arch spider lady ring woulda simmed higher

[hollow river]

I see a lot of people get it from m+ slots

[brazen zodiac]

who knew

yeah maybe it is higher lol

[hollow river]

Arachnid cypher isn’t as good this tier as last I think

[brazen zodiac]

probs not

[hollow river]

Because it’s heavy crit

I mean it depends on your profile for sure

[slow marsh]

That head is bis until tier and possibly after until recraft

[brazen zodiac]

yeah rn it rly wants this helm

[hollow river]

But I think bloodoath signet is better

[brazen zodiac]

what the helm i got ice?

ah

[slow marsh]

the tricorne

[brazen zodiac]

ah

[slow marsh]

is the best non tier helm

[west ice]

Hi - if i have Obedience already crafted on an item to 291, will it become useless when we get Unity lego? did i just waste my gold crafting it? cheers

[hollow river]

But the ring will be used even after tier

[slow marsh]

yep

[hollow river]

Until you have something better ig

[west ice]

well thats annoying

[slow marsh]

It's almost like everyone was saying to not recraft 291 obed unless you had a shit ton of gold

and wanted to waste it

[hollow river]

Should’ve asked around before crafting king

Or if you’re in a top 10 guild

[slow marsh]

if you're in a top 10 guild you should have enough gold to where it doesn't matter

[gusty mirage]

Do I get pants from halondrus tonight and ascend?

[slow marsh]

well you have 3 chances at them so

i hope so

[brazen zodiac]

OXI

caps

if u wanna run LFR hala later i can trade u the pants

i have that FAT lfr luck

lfr sylv dagger, halandrous pants,

[hollow river]

I can trade pants too

👖

[slow marsh]

same

and i'd rather trade you than my guild

@gusty mirage

[hollow river]

LOL

If anyone from my guild that’s on my token needed them I would’ve done Lfr last week

But idr if anyone went and did it

[slow marsh]

I did that last week but only one person came so I rather increase oxi's chances since he's the homie

[gusty mirage]

I want y’all to be happy and have amazing days/weeks/months/years filled with good food and good times

[hollow river]

Oxi always be blessing my vault

We gotta help him out

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

We gaming, tonight we clear heroic

[brazen zodiac]

no but srsly if anyone wants lfr pants lmfao hmu

[gusty mirage]

I get 4pc and still do less damage than a MM hunter with 2pc

[brazen zodiac]

shits HARD out here

[gusty mirage]

It’ll be great

[hollow river]

Same, all heroic and normal then back to Andy prog

[slow marsh]

[brazen zodiac]

i gotta wait till tomorrow :(

lol i got anduin to like 2% in a pug then they disbanded feelsbad

[hollow river]

Hunter and DK aoe are just blasting man it’s insane

[slow marsh]

Frost DK is super good right now

[timid cloud]

Best idea tbh

Get a toon with only tier boss lockout.

[hollow river]

Frost dk is op as fk

[slow marsh]

I don't see a world where you play UH anymore

[timid cloud]

That's what we're doing I think.

[hollow river]

We have 2 DKs

[timid cloud]

Halo, Lithium battery, Anduin & the rest

[hollow river]

1 UH 1 Frost

[slow marsh]

We have bdk and frostdk

the frost blasts but is an ape

[hollow river]

The UH says he’s gonna go frost after tier set I think

[timid cloud]

Aren't they all?

[slow marsh]

true

[timid cloud]

All Frost DK players are

ME LICH KING

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

Oddly enough he's one of the best m+ tanks i've ran with

maybe explains why he's such a monkey as dps

[timid cloud]

[alpine latch]

wow toxic ... just rubbing it into my face 😦

[gusty mirage]

[alpine latch]

At least I locked in my necklace for the rest of the tier

Never need a new neck again

[gusty mirage]

I got to watch people post their 278 tiers last week

[alpine latch]

Hey man, I'm happy for you

I'm just sad for me

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

I’m sad for all the homies

[timid cloud]

Oxi on that Sigma male.

[gusty mirage]

I’m also sad for the guy who made our shoulders vers mastery

Because he thought that was a good idea

And he’s clearly dumb

[alpine latch]

I'm going to try to get a normal Rylegon kill before my raid tonight

And if I really have time, LFR Halo

[gusty mirage]

The trick to getting loot is for someone to murder you on mechanics so you gray parse

At least from personal experience

[alpine latch]

that's probably true - most of our people with tier are our underperformers

[timid cloud]

[slow marsh]

the tier stats are way too sub friendly

and the sub 4pc is way too strong

coincidence?

[timid cloud]

HEY You're saying the banned word again

Don't let Cev see that.

[quasi grotto]

is there 262 craftable backs ? ( not leggos )

[gusty mirage]

Haste mastery?

[timid cloud]

||Stats||

[gusty mirage]

Yup. Any slot besides weapons

[visual prairie]

hey, without us underperformers, you wouldn't have any overperformers

[quasi grotto]

tf are they called

[ripe gulch]

is dashing even worth crafting?

[visual prairie]

you're welcome. thanks for the gear

[slow marsh]

well it's big mastery and like 30 haste

[gusty mirage]

I’ll find it for you one sec

[timid cloud]

Cev said Dashing is pretty worth for Anduin.

But I don't know if that's after 4P as well.

[gusty mirage]

Shadowlace Cloak @quasi grotto

[timid cloud]

I think that's just for right now.

[gusty mirage]

Probably not when you get 4pc

But who knows

The concept of dashing on anduin is for the giga energy regen on poison crits

[slow marsh]

but 1min vend is mega for anduin

since you can use for each phase

[gusty mirage]

Yuh

[timid cloud]

I think I'll play Sin this time for Anduin.

[slow marsh]

We kept wiping because we couldn't kill the big add downtairs for some reason so I swapped to sub so I could carry the dam

[oak sky]

dude why is there mastery on any rogue piece

[slow marsh]

I'm gonna try necro sin for it this week to see the difference

[slow marsh]

the fact that we have 2 mastery tier pieces, one is big mastery, and no big haste pieces

[gusty mirage]

Mastery is good stat

Just confusing set of stats tbh

[oak sky]

its like outlaw and sin both like haste

no big haste

[gusty mirage]

Like if you don’t know what to throw on it

Throw crit vers lmao

Bam good for all 3

[slow marsh]

ye the crit vers pieces are decent

[gusty mirage]

Someone tell blizzard to hire me

[slow marsh]

and the chest is good

[oak sky]

why arent the shoulders high haste low vers

anyone/

[slow marsh]

who knows

at least we have one big ilvl tier piece with good stats

[brazen zodiac]

holy shit they changed the color of the swirls on anduin downstairs

there is a god i repeat

there is a god

[gusty mirage]

Because you touch yourself at night

Next question

[oak sky]

how did they know

[gusty mirage]

You mean you don’t like gray swirlies on a gray platform?

[gusty mirage]

Because Ion and I have a live feed

It’s lawyers exclusive

[brazen zodiac]

no sir i rather eat nails while whispyr roasts my parses

[gusty mirage]

Agreoncam.tv

[oak sky]

is lockpickinglawyer there too?

[brazen zodiac]

inf act i rather eat nails with milk and ketchup combined

[slow marsh]

No Results Found for “Agreoncam”

[gusty mirage]

You’re not a lawyer bruh

We get the special settings with our bar cards

[brazen zodiac]

not complaining but they didnt have to make it that ugly ass bright blue color too..................

coulda just been extremely black or somethin to fit the THEME, the VIBES

[slow marsh]

who cares about themes

[brazen zodiac]

im fighting anduin not the smurfs

[slow marsh]

true

just dont get hit in the first place and then they never change it

ez

[brazen zodiac]

i feel like gargamel gonna team up with anduin and pwn me

[timid cloud]

Ayo...

@oak sky

[oak sky]

yo

[brazen zodiac]

i honest to god just cloak lmfao

[timid cloud]

Why is your name so horny...

[slow marsh]

Cuz the man is horny wym

[timid cloud]

[brazen zodiac]

why isnt ur name horny

[oak sky]

i thought it was funny

[spice spire]

I was about to ask what you mean then saw it

@oak sky hey

I can be your valorant e-girl

[slow marsh]

I can play raze and pretend to be an egirl

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

egirls play sage

fake valorant player

[slow marsh]

i've been compromised

[timid cloud]

Idk which is more emotionally damaged though.

WoW or Valorant ones.

[oak sky]

bro wow egirls are too old for me

[timid cloud]

[slow marsh]

Raze is a good guess tho since it used to be the literal easiest damage op

[oak sky]

no offense to wow egirls

[timid cloud]

Viper best girl.

She's a Sin Rogue.

[slow marsh]

Viper is best gril but no grils play her

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

This is becoming a conversation

[deft vault]

Wasnt there a trinket tier list somewhere ? i remember seeing it in pins but cant find anything

[spice spire]

I just wanted to be agreonr-tichondrius’s sage :/

#assassination-faq @deft vault

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

viper Thinkge

[quasi grotto]

Thanks @gusty mirage
Decided I'm not spending 100k just to get zold for pantheon
Will wait till I get a back 😂

[timid cloud]

I play Rogue in every game, she is Rogue.

SIN ROGUE OTP (Except M+, because it's stinky.)

[deft vault]

@spice spire Thank you

[timid cloud]

uh-oh.

Varas is typing...

[subtle tundra]

you literally cant call yourself otp if you just swap to sub

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

@timid cloud a word please

[timid cloud]

LOL

[oak sky]

im a real otp dont listen to these other posers

[subtle tundra]

otp
swaps to sub

[balmy condor]

openly saying you don't play sin in m+ summons varas to the channel

it's a global ping

[timid cloud]

I'll just @ him next time.

[subtle tundra]

🥰

[timid cloud]

Save myself the trouble.

LOL

[spice spire]

I’ve never once failed varas

+2 carrying guildies? Still sin pal

[timid cloud]

Okay, but about this 1 CP per FOK bug...(Not an actual bug for clarification.)

[balmy condor]

yeah for the boss damage obviously

[spice spire]

YOU GET IT

[timid cloud]

I'm gonna get gaslit into playing Sin in keys.

[balmy condor]

no I don't actually that sounds miserable

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

NF sin for mists, trust

[subtle tundra]

im playing ds in keys so my boss dmg is actually kinda dogshit

[bleak sky]

ONE MORE PIECE BOIS

ONE AWAY FROM BEING A FREAK

[subtle tundra]

specc'd into sub

[oak sky]

how do you get wicked pocopoc

@gusty mirage

[bleak sky]

sub to JPC

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

any ZM experts

[balmy condor]

so then what do you do man

[subtle tundra]

cope

[oak sky]

oh its part of a daily i think

yikes

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/gay-guys-look-back-hold-hands-gif-14267492

me and real sin otp

[slow marsh]

@limber lion

[gusty mirage]

Just hope you get a cloak from a ZM WQ

[hollow river]

There’s a WICKED pocopoc?!?

[gusty mirage]

100k for a cloak these people high?

[oak sky]

witch pocopoc

i dont think i can find the eggs

for the treasure

i have boomer eyes

[clever kindle]

pocopoc bro?

[glass tulip]

wicked pocopoc you gotta use the forge tap

[clever kindle]

that little mfer does not fuck around

[gusty mirage]

Wha

[clever kindle]

was doing almost 3k dps on his own with me standing there

[gusty mirage]

Yeah what mavv said

[oak sky]

idk what the forge tap is

[clever kindle]

its the item u get from firim

[gusty mirage]

It’s the thing you use to suck balls

[clever kindle]

to crack eggs

[oak sky]

idk what ur talking about

[gusty mirage]

As dirty as that sounds

[ripe gulch]

any idea how sin will compare to sub with 4 set double lego on m+?

[oak sky]

is that a daily

[clever kindle]

the ball fondler

the orb encapsulator

[gusty mirage]

Yeah where you absorb energy from the balls in the middle

[glass tulip]

once you do the daily once you can get your own

and use it whenever

[oak sky]

oh ive never done a daily

which one is it

[clever kindle]

I like the new zone

[glass tulip]

kekl

materials of creation

from firim

[oak sky]

its not up today

maybe tomorrow

[clever kindle]

shouldnt matter

just go talk to firim

you can get a spare tap to use

[glass tulip]

you need to complete that quest once I think to enable that option

maybe not though

[clever kindle]

You might be right I think I did that the first day so I wouldnt have noticed otherwise

but if the actual yellow quest isnt there that means you did it already, I think

[loud light]

I went around using that forge tap and like half the time it would make the orbs glow but didn't even give me any items

seemed buggy

[glass tulip]

well you either get the quest stuff or a rare drop]

so if you arent on the quest you wouldnt get anything

[clever kindle]

nah its intentional not everyone gives you stuff, normally its just for a quest but there are actually certain orbs that give you materials needed for an achievement

[glass tulip]

unless you get a rare drop

[clever kindle]

the ephemeral strands turn into an orb you can open also that drops a key for the provis cache

and has a chance at a pet I guess

[quasi grotto]

Nahhh it's 40k for it , and 50k for leggo base

[gusty mirage]

Even 40k is yikes

Cloth is cheap af and you only need one essentia

[limber lion]

[slow marsh]

oh i thought that was you in varas's gif

mb

[strange silo]

is there a way to slam the sylv dagger in top gear if u dont have one? or is there a way to compare covenants in gear compare?

[lone minnow]

Guys for assa, is it good to run double on use trinkets?

[limber lion]

I don't leave my house, so that wouldn't work

also I'm pale as shit

[lone minnow]

or is phial still worth running

[limber lion]

if I were to jump naked into a snowbed, you wouldn't be able to spot me

[slow marsh]

phial is still worth but double on use is fine if your sim says to use that

[gusty mirage]

I’d jump in after you

[lone minnow]

hmm, just cuz IQD and first sigil sim so high

[slow marsh]

I wonder why

[gusty mirage]

Honestly I’d just run Sigil/Phial

Fuck giving healers mana by accident

[timid cloud]

Cev whiter than Mayo???

[oak sky]

mayo spicy

[slow marsh]

that's a risk i'm willing to take tbh

[timid cloud]

Fuck IQD

All my homies hate it.

[slow marsh]

But also cache is much more interesting than iqd so

[trail temple]

im looking at wowhead and on the raid page it is showing 2220021 for talents. i am assuming this is if u have 4 set? it does not say

[slow marsh]

what does your sim say when you sim talents

[trail temple]

not that. but i wanted to ask because i like to know why

or what

[lone minnow]

iceblades solution to all: check sims

Kappa

[slow marsh]

I mean if people would just sim before coming in here then more than half of the repetitive questions wouldn't exist

[slow marsh]

Because 4p make rupture go boom and DS makes rupture go more boom

[trail temple]

i did. if i should not ask a question to know more then i will not ask any more questions

just let me know thats what i should do

[slow marsh]

Na that's fine to ask questions I don't mean that

[limber lion]

4p yes, but it's also the norm for Necro, changing PB to CT on cleave.

[balmy condor]

all of the wowhead stuff is for 4 piece double lego

the tabs are labeled

[slow marsh]

Talents are one of those things that can be subjective based on profile and guides generally use the "bis" profiles so that's why I say to sim talents, not that you can't ask questions

[trail temple]

im on the raid page. i was checking which bosses to use crimson tempest and i saw the other talents as well. i did check myself before coming to ask but again just wanted to know why those talents

thank you

[balmy condor]

yeah crimson tempest just wins in any situation with adds or 2 target

[slow marsh]

Rule of thumb is if there's more than 1 target then use CT + DS

[balmy condor]

but the rest of the talents are pretty static

the moment you get 4 piece you basically never change anything except CT and PB

[trail temple]

alright thanks

[balmy condor]

np

[foggy thicket]

guys, will zoldyck still be BIS in aoe fights (pantheon/lords of dread) with 2 leggo and 4 pc?

[limber lion]

Yes

oh wait

just kidding

lmao

haha

4pc

no

duskies king

go dusk everywhere

:)

[foggy thicket]

ty

so i'll not craft zoldyck anymore haha

[strange silo]

is it hard to manage bleeds on 4targets with 4p while vendetta is up? otherwise execute on pantheon will be hell i guess 😄

[alpine radish]

https://youtu.be/G5TwLNB0fIY randomly came up in my recommended on youtube , wonder if its got anything to do with halondrus 😂 😂 😂

[limber lion]

Impossible.

The 4p changes the rotation quite drastically

[hollow river]

I thought Zoldycks would be better

For guardian/pantheon at least

[limber lion]

Maybe

You gotta sim it

[hollow river]

You were the one that told me this I thought

[strange silo]

thats nice to hear 😄 but u do get double the energy right? because it the dmg tick are faster?

[hollow river]

Yeah during vendetta

[strange silo]

yea ofc

[timid cloud]

Lords of Dread with 4P

[strange silo]

imagine 4p lets bleeds/poison run overall 100% faster 😄

[bleak sky]

[balmy condor]

I mean if you're looking for the execute specifically, then yeah, zoldyck crushes it

like no shot zold loses on 4 target execute

[limber lion]

I've never yet talked about 4p

Every tactic and decision I've shared are done with the assumption of 0p or 2p

[balmy condor]

but if that's better overall

kinda yikes

gets really complicated

[limber lion]

I would probably play Zoldyck on prog on Pantheon even with 4p

but yeh, Duskies probs too strong for the first 60% of the fight

where Zoldyck just gets 0 value

[slow marsh]

also using zold with 4p but trying to keep hp even

[clever kindle]

Thats for the warlocks to worry about

[brazen zodiac]

how about them great vault changes tho

pog

[viral locust]

?

[brazen zodiac]

yo blizzard cannot be this disrespectful plz tell me im reading this wrong lmfao

[hollow river]

Socket items as a consolation prize

[brazen zodiac]

it actually says 1 renown LMFAO

[hollow river]

You think blizzard cares

[brazen zodiac]

1 token for 1 renown SO pog

[hollow river]

[brazen zodiac]

so incredibly based

[hollow river]

Should be at least 10 lmao

[oak sky]

i mean

renown is easy

so it doesnt really matter

the socket is good

[brazen zodiac]

yeah its just hilarious

[oak sky]

rather this than grinding sockets forever

[brazen zodiac]

how do you even get sockets if not great vault lol

[oak sky]

you dont

[brazen zodiac]

besides drop/luck

yeah figured ok lmfao

[oak sky]

i think its good

less degen

[brazen zodiac]

doesnt it have to be full vault tho

[oak sky]

lets them make systems that are more interesting than grinding for sockets

[brazen zodiac]

or is it you just take tokens

[oak sky]

take tokens

[balmy condor]

idk I liked korthia just having sockets whenever you wanted

[brazen zodiac]

nice

[oak sky]

but you need at least 3 slots

[brazen zodiac]

ah ok

is it the more you fill the more tokens you get or is it always 6

[oak sky]

yeah but this way you don't have to do korthia

6 max

[brazen zodiac]

yeah actually grinding korthia sucked no different then grinding for drop/luck

[oak sky]

at least like this my shit vault week serves a purpose

[brazen zodiac]

ig no reason to choose a semi upgrade if its gonna get replaced cuz sockets ust gonna be better

[timid cloud]

I mean tbh…

Flux is worthless outside of spending 2k to craft.

Should’ve just had that be the socket currency when I got like 30k…

[brazen zodiac]

are u able to throw a socket on tier gear?

[red plaza]

FR. You make tier with it too, might as well put sockets

[oak sky]

Flux is for catalyst as well

[brazen zodiac]

saw helms an option but

[alpine latch]

Flux is going to be used in the Creation Catalyst

It's only worthless for 3 weeks

And then you'll need a ton of it

[timid cloud]

If you get a socketed piece, like I got today, a helm, you can craft it into a tier piece & it should keep the socket & any leech, avoidance, & speed.

I’ll have a fuckton of it regardless.

Cyphers will be worthless soon too.

[hollow river]

Too bad only helm is the socketable tier slot

Wait are gloves socket item

Idr

Nah idts

[timid cloud]

Negatory.

Helm, neck, waist, bracers, fingers.

[hollow river]

Also on PTR you could recraft non tier items to have different secondaries

Or some weird shit

[slow marsh]

Ye idk if that was intended though

[hollow river]

And could upgrade M+ gear and it had a chance to roll a socket after upgrade? I don’t remember exactly was weird

[timid cloud]

Seems strange.

But just Blizzard things.

Clear concise communications.

[slow marsh]

I mean it'd be kinda cool to be able to use catalyst to fish for stats

Since xpac is over

[strange python]

blood oath signed with socket from vault, suppose i cant complain

signet*

[obtuse robin]

300 dps gain so i guess cant complain

[limber lion]

300 dps is massive

[obtuse robin]

yea its good for m+ to im just like most other tier starved

my raid only has 6 2p

[timid cloud]

Only players with any sets are healers. Zzz

[clever kindle]

healer sets

[cyan kite]

Our Hunter/Mage/Druid token is approaching disenchant level of saturation and no one else even has 2p

[clever kindle]

think about all the damage theyll do when they overcap ur hp

[cyan kite]

Same token that got their mythic weapon token from the earliest and easiest boss in nathria

[late birch]

Is phial still bis?

[oak sky]

Pretty much, but other stuff is much more competitive

[nimble tartan]

dam i got the 278 phial in my box too

not even good..

[gusty mirage]

You’re playing sin?

[frigid kestrel]

I wouldn’t say it’s not good, it’s just not BIS

[nimble tartan]

of course i love sin

[gusty mirage]

Kiss me

[nimble tartan]

on the cheek

[normal slate]

how do i not get tier 2 weeks in a row with 8 boxes =[ . Then vault wants to give IQD =[

[hollow river]

Every other combination is double on use

🤮

[frigid kestrel]

I’m just sitting here wondering how many bosses it’s gonna take to get me last piece. Killed Holondrous 5 times and he ain’t giving up the goods.

[frigid kestrel]

Ye I hate that

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage LFR Spot in vault had the sauce

hate this game

[split grail]

Stupid question: With the 2pc I have to actually enemies bleeding and poisoned right? It's not like a thing where they take extra damage just from my main target being debuffed

[oak sky]

yes

[split grail]

Thought so, thanks

[wintry terrace]

Kinda sadge the tier set doesn't have much haste at all. A lot of our haste has to come from other sources. The stats are pretty good for sub though.

Just got 2p, raiding heroic today maybe to get more but I kinda wish it was stat'd a bit more haste heavy haha

Still trying to transition from the massive crit scoundrel build but i haven't been that lucky in m+ with haste gear

[hollow river]

Just stay on the grind and you’ll get there

[wintry terrace]

Has anyone tried 2p sin in m+ yet? Sure obedience sub will beat it overall but is it competitive with crimson tempest and 2p?

[hollow river]

Yeah some people have

And sin has always been viable

[wintry terrace]

Yeah, sin was sleeper, especially on tyrannical weeks

[hollow river]

But yeah now it gets an extra little bump

[normal slate]

so is IQD really taht bait? it is simming about 100 more dps than the ring from my vault

[subtle tundra]

ayo did someone type sin m+

[hollow river]

Iqd is good

[wintry terrace]

Im excited to try it out this week with 2p

[hollow river]

If you’re down to deal with it

[subtle tundra]

i'd tell you how good it is if i had it

[normal slate]

how does it work, i avoided it this whole expansion

[hollow river]

Look it up

A lot to explain

[wintry terrace]

basically on pull you get a nice damage boost, using it after that its random stuff

depending on situation

I got a phial and first sigil already, been pretty lucky on that front

[plain jewel]

hi. just ressubed. I know duskwalker is recommended, but for me doomblade on cloak is simming higher. with blindside and DS. only 1 legendary sim though

[oak sky]

duskwalker is only when you get the 4p set bonus

[plain jewel]

ah gotcha

[gusty mirage]

don't play blindside

it's only good for pure ST

and there's 2 bosses without adds in the entire raid (3 on normal because jailer's heroic mechanic is an add)

[plain jewel]

ty. also First Sigil a good trinket upgrade? 5 min CD seems a lot

[frigid kestrel]

Yes, that vers hit different.

[limber lion]

It has its uses especially with the 4p. It's definitely a niche trinket.

[winged basin]

feel so useless as a sin rogue in keys

dont do nearly as much damage as a sub rogue

[hollow river]

damn they gutted heroic Andy huh

[kindred rapids]

second monstrous removed?

dang

[bleak sky]

do higher keys

[winged basin]

just did a 15 and felt uselss

im just dogass

if it aint raid, I cant do it

pvp, m+

[hollow river]

can i get a for this box

[frank stag]

It's a struggle and takes so much effort. Hopefully having tanks that position stuff reasonably well. Maintaining debuffs on targets. It's not fun, but satisfying when you can execute it.

[winged basin]

just sadge

messed up a guildies key cause I just cant seem to turn my brain on

[frank stag]

Try to get a cache trinket. That makes it much more powerful and fun!

[winged basin]

yeah hoping I get some goodies from raid tonight

still have 0 tier

[frank stag]

Ooouch 😦

[hollow river]

keys take a lot of practice and repitition

its a lot of enemy abilities to memorize and deal with while also doing aoe rotation

[winged basin]

yeah, I was finally starting to be solid at them last tier, was at 2k io right off the rip, then I took a 5 month break and its like I cant play the game again

[hollow river]

welcome back

[winged basin]

just disheartening is all LMAO, yall some good listeners

[bleak sky]

too low to be impactful as sin, honestly

shit dies too fast

[winged basin]

yeah, sub rogue pulling 16-24k and I am like hehe look at me! im doing 13k on some packs hahahaha....

and thats by full sending aoe

[frank stag]

Tbf, we lost a bunch going from last tier, to now. No more frost gems and the relics are a completely different mechanic to utilize.

[winged basin]

yeah, shards made the game ez mode :///

[red plaza]

Hardest part of m+ sin for me is getting the triple garrote off on Enchanted packs. That and SBSing the wrong targets. Y’all tab targeting or clicking on frames?

[frank stag]

I don't think anyone was prepared for that change...

[hollow river]

wow vault actually trolled me

been a while since that's happened

oh nvm

tier shoulders

[winged basin]

I got haste mastery gem slot helm ECKS DEE

[limber lion]

But they didn't really do that much for m+

[winged basin]

I will get 2 and 4 piece when I can buy it smh

2 weeks of raiding, and havent gotten ANYTHING lmao

[limber lion]

But yeh 2p makes the damage skyrocket

[winged basin]

its just unlucky, I have like a no loot debuff

no good vault gear, no raid gear

[limber lion]

how many bosses have you killed

[hollow river]

well there's 2p i guess

[limber lion]

pog

[hollow river]

those 278 sinsoaked waders tho....

[winged basin]

everything up to anduin twice

[limber lion]

on just normal or?

[winged basin]

yeah

[limber lion]

yeah that's not too many to be honest

[winged basin]

yeah :/

[limber lion]

You have around a 10% chance of getting loot from one boss

and you've killed 14 bosses

[subtle tundra]

there are people with double full normal+hc bosses and 0 dropped

[hollow river]

people get loot from bosses directly?

i forgot that mechanic existed

[winged basin]

I think we are prioing heroic soon

just need to get more people 2 set

the guild is pretty fresh, so theres still recruitment and stuff

I chose raiding with friends over hardcore raiding, but we wanna casual push mythic this tier so thats good enough for me, though I would rather be in heroic rn getting ready for mythic

[balmy condor]

I love having 1 piece

[frosty cedar]

same

[balmy condor]

thats okay

I didn't get it from normal or heroic the first week

or the second week

but this week

this is the week

[bleak sky]

this week for sure

[zinc frost]

I’m gonna be rocking that double leggo no tier set game look out

[dull osprey]

so with Cache of Acquired Treasures, do I pop it in my opening burst even if its not the axe, or do I just do less damage in burst to save for the axe?

[hollow river]

i guess i take 259 tier shoulders for possibility to trade

[drifting cloud]

the secret is to kill bosses that drop it

[hollow river]

278 waders are tempting af tho

[subtle tundra]

@balmy condor its fine, this is our week, king

[balmy condor]

lihuvim normal x2 heroic x2
halondrus lfr x1 normal x2 heroic x2
anduin normal x2
lords normal x1
rygelon normal x1

[misty holly]

Any idea if skirmish or stats on chest is better for us?

[balmy condor]

you can sim that in raidbots, but usually skirmish

[drifting cloud]

yes that makes you on par or even behind most of us, and majority of people dont have 2set 😛

10% per boss

[balmy condor]

yeah but people pull their shit out of vault

and I don't

[drifting cloud]

yeah well that just small sample size rng what can you do

[balmy condor]

I can cry and shit and cum

[drifting cloud]

I got loot from skolex and then nothing after in hc

that felt unlucky

[mortal pike]

is cache as broken for assa in keys as it is for sub?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[mortal pike]

aka does fok apply it

WHY

[subtle tundra]

why not?

[mortal pike]

it's a literal crime

[gusty mirage]

want one of mine?

[subtle tundra]

hmm

cope

[mortal pike]

Ive been coping

[gusty mirage]

I got 2 of mine from vault

[mortal pike]

How is outlaw supposed to compete

[zinc frost]

You’re not alone king

[mortal pike]

About to make some new friends

[gusty mirage]

you can have my gloves

[subtle tundra]

you dont

[balmy condor]

by doing more damage

[gusty mirage]

man the hd kekw is nice

[mortal pike]

I could make a psuedo argument by yelling loud enough

but now with trinky

its impossible

Does the assa 2 set scale it too?

[balmy condor]

the trinket is like 6% dps overall in keys

[subtle tundra]

outlaw has been worse than assa since 9.1, just outlaw 1tricks coping

[gusty mirage]

no

[balmy condor]

it's not even that crazy

it just looks crazy cause you pop it on big pulls and it goes crazy

[mortal pike]

Depends on key for me

[balmy condor]

3 min cd

[mortal pike]

In like sd/hoa as sub its 10-15 %lol

Havent tested it as assa so dont have a reference but

Feels weird that fok is applying it

[balmy condor]

I mean it's a critical hit

[gusty mirage]

its like 18-20% for me as sub, 15-16% as assassination because fan of knives sucks dick

[balmy condor]

overall?

[mortal pike]

make BF crits apply it

[gusty mirage]

yea

[mortal pike]

Yea its stupid

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

BF what?

[balmy condor]

no shot dude

[mortal pike]

bladeflurry

Im pretty sure in a monk/war group I could hit 18k overall as sub with it

in a SD

if not higher

[balmy condor]

it's only doing like 15% in the actual pulls I use it in

wtf you mean it's 18% overall

[clever kindle]

ayo

[mortal pike]

grats champ

which part are we pogging?

[clever kindle]

hmm 2 set or dagger

[drifting cloud]

if you do less overall it will be a higher % of it 😎

[gusty mirage]

dead ass it was doing 18% overall for me

but that was a dos

so

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

go try it in dos

with giga pulls in ardenweald

[mortal pike]

Yea its only that high in the giga aoe pull keys

[hollow river]

Difficult choice

[mortal pike]

dos/sd/hoa etc

[gusty mirage]

shit was doing 38% of my damage on those pulls

lol

[mortal pike]

cross your fingies its cycled to bleed on the big pulls

[hollow river]

Obviously tier would be a bigger upgrade rn AND 278/285 daggers are obtainable from raid

So

[mortal pike]

Anyone have 4 set yet in here?

[gusty mirage]

I'll get it for sure tonight

[hollow river]

They wouldn’t dare speak

[gusty mirage]

[mortal pike]

same...

helm or chest for me and im gamin

then I slam pvp dagger and swap assa

[hollow river]

I have shoulders and legs now ig

[limber lion]

tomorrow.

[gusty mirage]

[empty hinge]

imagine looting even 1 piece

:_)

[mortal pike]

Its so good too because im only one with 3 set atm

so ima probably slide into the tradeable 4th slot tonight...hopefully

[subtle tundra]

3 set

complains

[gusty mirage]

they play outlaw

[oak sky]

otp

[gusty mirage]

4pc is probably a dps downgrade for them

[oak sky]

plays sub

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

We build with fok at 5 right?

[gusty mirage]

yeah buy eyedrops though

[oak sky]

at 4

[gusty mirage]

cause you'll be crying

4+

3 to reapp poisons

2? delete your rogue

1? stop following nochill

[oak sky]

[hollow river]

Wait

[gusty mirage]

I'm waiting

[hollow river]

So in p3 pantheon were supposed to fok

[gusty mirage]

yes

[hollow river]

I only fok’d poisons lol

[gusty mirage]

how is it having tanks that actually tank them together?

is it as nice as I think it is?

[wintry terrace]

yes

lmao

[hollow river]

LOL

It’s a fun fight ngl

[gusty mirage]

you don't have 1 tank having 1 off in narnia?

[hollow escarp]

so melee don't get hit by blue tornadoes

[oak sky]

yes

[viscid spear]

732-874-373 stat coverage, 32%-30%-32%, Crit-Haste-Mast

[wintry terrace]

Nah, we focus kyrian one at first so that when she jumps off it's not a big deal, then we kill them all together

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

My Ocular went Haste

[hollow escarp]

that's so

9.1

[viscid spear]

Got a chest from Vault and it swapped my shit from Crit to haste

[obtuse robin]

so sim question

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8k3xTyHy7APLVC1i51bEA4

but when i sim tea

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pTTYx5TFXVXin8NNDxrkZu

why are the numbers changing so much esp the base

[gusty mirage]

advanced has wft

[obtuse robin]

ty

[gusty mirage]

try the topgear w/ wft and it should be closerish

[inner granite]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[hasty siren]

semi dumb question....am i supposed to avoid dung slice sim?

[subtle tundra]

no

[placid pagoda]

Does stuning the ads on HC anduin stop them exploding?

[oak sky]

tbh aoe stuns are worth even just to group them but st stuns might not be worth

[placid pagoda]

Yeah, on the intermission phase i should clarify - currently sweep into totem but some are exploding

[woven ruin]

Has anyone thought of obedience and zoldyck, until 4pc anyway?

[bleak sky]

yes

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GMXg8KjFMLnqcu9irkBXeLDhELg2wNtG9bteEV5BsZ0/edit#gid=201737681

though the link is now dead for 2pc + double leggo sims

[slow marsh]

after playing venth zold for a few things I can assure you that it is indeed not the play

[woven ruin]

Yeah, wasnt seeing it and hadnt seen anyone yay or nay it yet.

[modest barn]

which 2 stats should i add to my leggo? crit and haste?

[bleak sky]

yes

[balmy condor]

For what fight

[hidden bloom]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[tulip kernel]

is there ever a time i should be pooling energy

[umbral tulip]

For envenom but not during shiv or vendetta

And its a small gain

Afaik its less than 1% DPS

Its in the method guide I think

[glass tulip]

Anyone got a raid I can steal a spot in this week (and every other week for the rest of progression)

[hollow escarp]

[oak sky]

what does that even mean

sounds like it might mean you need a new guild period

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oooiQ3GzHhBMp31Hb1jk5a feels so trash compared to https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qoKAEGNe9mEPSWyKnhbA2V

[winged basin]

to be fair that double edge of night is mondo boosting the sub parse no?

scaling shadow damage, that youll keep til rygelon

probably still even want one in off hand all tier tbh

[slow marsh]

yes you do

[jaunty crystal]

same ilvl and you have 3k dps on me

[balmy condor]

4 piece

sim is illegal

get him out

[umbral rapids]

[hidden pagoda]

Guys, any weakauras that you like or would recommend?

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[hidden pagoda]

tks! Didnt knew the command

[limber lion]

comparing a dogshit covenant and a dogshit legendary as assa to the absolute bis setup on sub

good comparison

wrong talents, wrong lege, wrong covenant, wrong conduits

[sonic schooner]

Let's just say wrong spec

[limber lion]

I guess Necro is fine this week with 4p, but not playing dusk is just trolling

[carmine dawn]

cev when im doing 2t cleave

[brazen zodiac]

sup cev

[carmine dawn]

and shiv is up, do i focus envenoms on target? or do i just keep up rotation as normal

[limber lion]

yo

[limber lion]

Nah, just keep doing your normal rotation and making sure bleeds don't drop.

[carmine dawn]

bleed mgmt number 1 gotcha

shiv is just another CP builder then?

[limber lion]

Of course you want to maximize the Shiv value by using as many Envenoms during it as possible and that's where pandemic bleeds help

[carmine dawn]

use on CD

[limber lion]

but it's not worth slamming 1 envenom if it means your rupture drops

[carmine dawn]

ok so being good lets me squeeze in an envenom

focus on pandemic.

gotcha

[limber lion]

Yeh you pretty much just use it on CD, especially with 2p where it becomes an AOE cooldown

[carmine dawn]

thanks dood

hope you're having a good week

[limber lion]

Thanks, you too!

[glass tulip]

That was the implication, yeah lol

[oak sky]

good luck

[glass tulip]

Yep, not looking forward to looking as progression is starting but I couldn't hang with those guys anymore

Just some real.... Interesting people...

Time to hone my assassin blades in the dark

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/skfy9qTsjYPxa4txSypm9t tbh it's only like 600 dps

still quite far behind

[limber lion]

lmao assa sucks

[zinc frost]

The true D tier spec

[balmy condor]

it catches up a little more with double lego

but uh

yeah

it's not great

I hate to say it

[bleak sky]

imagine having 4pc

[balmy condor]

but this patch is like actual scaling

[bleak sky]

[balmy condor]

sin has a stronger tier

stronger double lego

has to play catchup on daggers

realistically for early prog

it's just not really that close

[brazen zodiac]

f

[obtuse robin]

sin gang

[slow marsh]

Sin doesn't scale

[umbral rapids]

i tried it for the first time today on pantheon

ngl it was fun af and i didn't play sin in forever

[bleak sky]

and that's just 2p huh

[bleak sky]

man what the fuck is this

let us logwatch

[limber lion]

Damn a lot of big boys pumping

Oxi getting r1's on Sausage, Iceblades on Pantheon

love to see it

[slow marsh]

bro how many times have i said my guild private logs so nobody can see their monkey parses

[bleak sky]

give them a good ol slapping

[slow marsh]

I paid the price for the r1 tho i was in too much of a rush to swap back to sub for lihuvum and accidently left pelagos on

[umbral rapids]

lol i did that on lords it wasn't fun

[split grail]

CT on dreadlords or not?

[limber lion]

Of course

You always take CT on 2+ targets

[limber lion]

I did something similar where I had Zoldyck on for Rygelon

would not recommend

[slow marsh]

kekw

yeah that wouldn't be ideal

[winged basin]

1 PIECE BABY 1 PIECE

[limber lion]

gz

[winged basin]

thank you father

do we go duskwalkers on 2 piece?

[balmy condor]

4

[winged basin]

mkay

[balmy condor]

because ya know

vend tier bonus

vend legendary

it makes sense

[winged basin]

oh im dumb.

my b

makes sense

[modest barn]

is it just more worth it to buy a leggo instead of leveling up the recipe

[balmy condor]

what

[restive falcon]

axe did 822k on andiun yuge

[limber lion]

Yeh it's pretty poggers

[restive falcon]

ct on lords of dread? i did yesterday and was a bit aids

[limber lion]

Yes

you play CT on every single boss with adds/multiple targets

[restive falcon]

yes honey back to ct

[limber lion]

CT is poggers

Imagine not playing CT

ct bis

[midnight trellis]

Uptime on ct/rupture/garr here?

[midnight trellis]

I see, ty

[limber lion]

Should be something like 90%, 99% and 99% on a patchwork boss

but you know

Lords and their Among Us

[midnight trellis]

Ye mechanics

[limber lion]

sussy bakas

[rotund oak]

cancer boss

[pliant granite]

I heard NF sin with 4pc compares with sub ST

is this true?

[limber lion]

Nah

I mean it's decent, but Sub is quite a bit ahead honestly

But Sub is also a casino spec with the 4p

[rotund oak]

Sub is on a league of its own

[pliant granite]

I hate sub i wanna be a sin boy

[limber lion]

You can be

I only play Sin myself

I'm sure you can too

[rotund oak]

in all honesty

sub is OP

[slow marsh]

Sin will be more consistent damage for what that's worth after 4p

[modest glen]

Isn’t sin only like 400 dps behind sub for ST with bis gear? Looking at fuu sims

«Only» 400

[wide ridge]

do we have info on how often we can craft a tier piece whenever that comes out?

im hopeless here my dudes, no tier drops whatsoever

[lean coral]

i assume axe is best for lords of dread

for xymox

[limber lion]

Sure

[restive falcon]

when you get 4piece do you get rid of obedience and go make duskwalkers?

cause i just got 4piece

[limber lion]

Yes, you have no use for Obedience anymore

you'll be getting Unity next week

just play Duskwalkers on every boss this week

[restive falcon]

should i switch to fae yet or not yet

[hollow river]

we're fucking gaming boys

[limber lion]

Only next week

[hollow river]

got 3p from raid trader

and i got cache drop

[restive falcon]

alright ty

[limber lion]

sheeesh

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

everyone's blasting

we love to see it

[hollow river]

why are you private logging

i'm tryina have something to beat

[limber lion]

Colour privatelogs on prog, we'll stop after a week of farm

so in... 4 months? lmao

[hollow river]

ooh

haha

[limber lion]

This is the first tier they've privatelogged

some people apparently get frustrated when they get a bad parse on prog

so private logging might help with that

[balmy condor]

projecting

[limber lion]

can't have a bad parse when you're the only assassination rogue

[balmy condor]

true

bad spec

[limber lion]

:(

sadness and sorrow.

[split grail]

Hmm...I think I must be using CT wrong

[limber lion]

What makes you think that?

[split grail]

Garrote and Rup did more damage

[limber lion]

It's just another bleed that you maintain, similar to rupture. You don't spam it but you don't want it to drop if you can avoid it.

On Lords?

[split grail]

Pantheon

[limber lion]

Yeh that's def a bit interesting

CT should def be up there

[split grail]

I can share logs if someone wants to go over them

[limber lion]

Send em

I have to hop off in a few mins but I can take a quick peak

[split grail]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Pr24TLq8JCHKdpQn/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=166

[hollow river]

so like

does anyone else just get smacked for 100k when they shadowstep Skolex?

[clever kindle]

no but I just had blade flurry reflect on vigilant guardian which im like 99.9% sure it didnt do last week

[hollow river]

i've died on at least 2 farm kills to that shit

[clever kindle]

it killed me in .4 seconds

[limber lion]

Yeah your uptime on CT is definitely on the low side

[clever kindle]

boop

[limber lion]

You just need to press it more aggressively.

You seem to reapply ruptures a lot and using Envenom a bunch

You need to replace one of those with a CT instead

[thorn fjord]

Was raid bots updated?

[limber lion]

CT is higher on the priority list on AoE

[thorn fjord]

My Sims are abort 200

About

Both specs

[split grail]

Should I not bother with envenom at all in a cleave fight?

[thorn fjord]

Are short *

[limber lion]

You should because you want to maintain Slice and Dice

But other than that you rarely press it

[frank stag]

Been there, done that 😦

[limber lion]

The priority in AoE is as follows:

1. Maintain Slice and Dice with envenom
2. Maintain Crimson Tempest
3. Press garrote on cooldown
4. Maintain Ruptures
5. Fill with Envenom

Sometimes you have to slam an aggressive Envenom instead of reapplying Rupture or whatever because you cannot let your Slice and Dice drop

[split grail]

Hmm....I thought that's what I was doing. I guess I just missed too many cts

[limber lion]

But other than that you want to prioritize maintaining CT up as much as possible

It's our strongest ability in AoE

[split grail]

My WA was tracking it's uptime. I just need to make a better one

[limber lion]

Would highly recommend that you play Zoldyck on Pantheon as well, instead of Dashing

[thorn fjord]

Any reason why my Sims would be 200 shorter than yesterday?

[limber lion]

Just reapply it whenever the remaining duration is 4s or less.

[limber lion]

Can't think of anything. Are you sure it's the exact same? Make sure all buffs/windfury etc are on point

[thorn fjord]

Yeah if looks the same

[limber lion]

link em