assassination

[ashen scroll]

Sub funnel during flag

[subtle tundra]

How's assas prio dmg in aoe with 4p double leggo? Compared to sub

[hollow escarp]

only 4p gamers can answer that

[hollow river]

I bet it’s a lot better, but still not as good as sub

[subtle tundra]

If its close, assa also does way more aoe when doing it

[hollow river]

Wot

[vestal wren]

sin:

sub:

[hollow river]

You mean assa does more aoe when trying to funnel prio dam?

[subtle tundra]

Mmmmm numbers I coom

[vestal wren]

so tl;dr: not good

[hollow river]

Because 4p gonna make it difficult for assa to do anything to other mobs during Vendetta

[subtle tundra]

Yea

[hollow river]

Besides CT

[vestal wren]

?

[subtle tundra]

It still has fok, poisons and CT rolling

[hollow escarp]

deadly poison

[hollow river]

Don’t copium me, copium Varas

[balmy condor]

Yeah but fok does way less than storm

[hollow river]

Shuriken Storm does more than that homie

[subtle tundra]

Mmmmmmmm 2pc shiv

[balmy condor]

Storm hits like a truck

[ashen scroll]

Fok is trash

[vestal wren]

sub has a quite exclusive aoe, but if you funnel on sin you also keep less bleeds active

[balmy condor]

Mmmmmmmm 4pc sub crushes that

[subtle tundra]

I'm on sin channel, trying preach for sin and I get bullied by sub uglies

[balmy condor]

You get infinite shadow blades foks

Excerpt it’s better

And does more damage

[civic granite]

hi all someone can tell me what is the best on necro and fae for raid pls ! some people tell me fae but i see all big assa on necro . help me pls

[hollow river]

Both

Depends on boss

[balmy condor]

Fae is best on single target after tier and double lego

Necro is better on cleave

[bleak sky]

hmmmm 0pc sub crushes that

[hollow river]

No one is running Fae until we get Unity

[hollow escarp]

I do

in mists

[hollow river]

Well you’re weird

And

[civic granite]

so for u with Unity its viable ?

[soft merlin]

when you get double lego + 4p fae is worth it

[hollow river]

With double legendary Night Fae is good. But mainly just on certain bosses

Necro will likely stay the best for at least 2 bosses

[hollow escarp]

pantheon and dreadlords

[hollow river]

Yeah

[rotund oak]

How venthyr pulls ahead kyrian ;o

[hollow river]

Oh and don’t forget 4 piece set bonus from tier set

Forgot to throw that in my comment

[soft merlin]

@hollow river but do you run dusk all the way with 4p? Even on pantheon/lords where zoldyck is giga

[hollow river]

?? It’s priority damage sims

Venthyr aoe/funnel>Kyrian

[hollow river]

Pantheon might be zoldycks, but lords will be Dusk

[rotund oak]

yes,still had the impression kyrian ER-Dance is stronger

[vestal wren]

because of flagallation, its basically the reason people run venthyr almost exclusive in m+ on sub

[hollow river]

Nah anytime there’s funnel Venthyr is stronger

[vestal wren]

also this is priority damage in aoe

[rotund oak]

yeah,its the only reason that can explain it tbh

[hollow escarp]

you don't really get to use the anima charged combo points in funnel

[rotund oak]

true

[hollow river]

Kyrian is better in pure ST

Skolex/Halondrus etc

[rotund oak]

yy

thought sub venth was a thing only for m+

[hollow river]

Idk what you’d play as sub for pantheon

Assuming venth

[jade minnow]

wanna bet ur virginity?

[rotund oak]

[hollow escarp]

same reason you would play assa on halondrus?

[hollow river]

Whoru

[jade minnow]

e*

[hollow escarp]

nevermind, it's probably not the best comparison

[rotund oak]

U want notrickz u hae to fight for him

thats not the art of luuuuv

[hollow river]

Ye I just meant what cov would be optimal for sub on that fight

[hollow escarp]

necrolord

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

Go get your 2P

Oh wait

You tried

[jade minnow]

i'm 1 P pony , also can you elaborate on why you think fae beats necro on lod?

[ashen scroll]

Fae beats nf

[rotund oak]

[hollow river]

Where did I ever say that bucko

I said Dusk probably for LoD, I said nothing about nf

[balmy condor]

nf stands for night fuck, like I did your mom

[bleak sky]

bro you got a fixation with moms

get that checked out

[hollow escarp]

or maybe they have with him

[balmy condor]

What you think I go to therapy for

[bleak sky]

twinsies

[balmy condor]

It’s anger issues

I go to therapy for anger issues

And also cause my mommy issues

But it’s the anger issues first and foremost

I swear

[bleak sky]

both daddy and mommy issues

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

very pog

but on topic again

do simms

go run math

see if doomblade vs duskies vs zoldies for Lords whispyr (4pc double leggo)

[balmy condor]

At 1am yeah no

[bleak sky]

go bedge then you degen

[balmy condor]

I am bedge

Take my name out your mouth bruh what

[subtle tundra]

I go to bedge with yo mom

[bleak sky]

gottem

[strange python]

bed time

[bleak sky]

[subtle tundra]

Sorry can't relate, european

[thin trout]

progressing anduin heroic atm - semi consistently reaching p2 with 100 energy now and progressing towards hitting the 2nd p2 now - I see alot of people using Crimson Tempest - it ups my damage a bit, but by just a bit, how do u guys feel about it?

[strange python]

Just by using CT a few times in that fight it easily becomes my top damage sometimes

[fallow otter]

Does your group struggle to kill the adds?

[thin trout]

not really we have a windwalker and arcane mage and a guardian druid with 4 set who ocmpletely tops the damage meters with the 4 set

[fallow otter]

Forget CT then

Your job is ST

[thin trout]

i think our problem yesterday was that it lagged super hard when that phase started

[fallow otter]

Just pump the monstrosity and other prio targets

[thin trout]

yaeh will do my st was pretty high without 2 set

[fallow otter]

Parse later, kill boss now

Or go sub

😊

[thin trout]

ekschually considering going sub but i like sin

[fallow otter]

Yeh stay sin, pump prio targets at the right time

That's the job

[rotund oak]

Tell ur gf u need more s@x u will be fine

[balmy condor]

Screenshotting and sending to her

[native belfry]

Hey guys, what stats to craft on zoldyck? Like crit mas?

[fallow otter]

Some guilds need the aoe so the answer can be different

[balmy condor]

Everything crit haste

[rotund oak]

Happy to help u guys 🤘 gogo

[native belfry]

Even zoldyck? Why?

[balmy condor]

Because haste and crit are good stats

[bleak sky]

they're drinking the crit/mastery ceverion juice

[balmy condor]

Idk bro

Why is the sun not a cube

[native belfry]

KekL

K, thanks)

[rotund oak]

the sun is flat,do ur own research 😄

[balmy condor]

Who got the idea to punch holes into donuts

Fkin bozo

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/mom-your-mom-fuck-it-stick-figure-f-your-mom-gif-7973111

[rotund oak]

😂

savage

[subtle tundra]

never ever insult mastery

may not be the best, but it has a good heart

[bleak sky]

stop huffing copium varas

it's gonna destroy your brain

[subtle tundra]

i was thinking about playing elegy + so'leahs in im m+ for omega stats pog

but that would mean not playing cache

[balmy condor]

Bruh

He’s off the deep end

[subtle tundra]

maybe i just have an open mind

[solid mica]

Not playing cache

[lunar otter]

any one runin zoldyck in m+ ?\

[oak sky]

its pretty good

on venthyr obedience is prob better

but zoldyck gives you good overall dam

[spice spire]

Zoldyck’s is the play with NL for sure

It’s good

[lunar otter]

i wanna send assa in keys but sub sims 2k higher >.<

[spice spire]

But I do prefer obedience if venthyr

Way of the road

Sin is a lot more work for less damage

[lunar otter]

yea 😦

[subtle tundra]

dont care, still blast 😏

i would only play sin if people didnt cry about it all the time

cant even play at the start of the season whatever i want

hurrr durrr isnt sub better? yea it is, suck it

then why am i outdps'ing the fire mage?

[misty holly]

I haven't had too much problem getting groups as Sin... I will say my damage feels disappointing compared to last tier though. Hopefully some set bonuses help.

I group a lot with hunters, warriors, and DH and they are all crushing me on the meter in dungeons.

which wasn't the case last season.

[subtle tundra]

dh is bad overall

hunters and warriors are currently blasting

you wont touch them on the meters on any spec

[spice spire]

Real

Losing to a warrior 6 ilvl below me was some real sobering shit

I’ve beat some dh, but by and large they feel much stronger than last season

[subtle tundra]

fuck i still need to do a nw

i havent done any this week

[spice spire]

I gifted mine to guildies and got 0 IO for it

I still have to do one as well, currently trying to do my PF grind on an easy week

[hollow river]

I have no idea what I’m doing on mine either

[spice spire]

Same

Warrior main now ig

[oak sky]

warrior is so cool BatChest

[hollow river]

I just smash buttoon

[oak sky]

fotm losers

L

[subtle tundra]

wdym

varasedger isnt a loser

[spice spire]

Buddy I had it prepped last tier

Get woke pal

[hollow river]

Same

[oak sky]

just wait for agreboner in 9.2.5

[hollow river]

Rolling my enhance rn when it’s lvl 58

Would be fotm

[oak sky]

or if blizzard is cringe im going agrebones

my dk ❤️

[spice spire]

Assuming this is a long ass tier

my 218 dk is #3 rn

[oak sky]

yeah

rn my mage is #2

but alliance gets unlocked in 9.2.5

[spice spire]

Oh wait

True

[hollow river]

They’re gonna make so much money

From race changes

[oak sky]

maybe a little off me

[hollow river]

Same

I hope they make it easier to unlock all allied races

I like zandy troll, nightborne, void elf etc

Zandy troll warrior is bis

[misty holly]

I can't wait to race change to Vulpera and keep raiding with my friends in 9.2.5

[hollow river]

[frozen zenith]

on Lords, we try to keep crimson tempest on the boss at all times or mainly during the execute/zoldycks uptime?

[vestal wren]

9.2.5 dungeon groups:
"only nf due to shadow melt skip"

[hollow river]

Try to keep it up on both bosses always

Cleave them with it

Just upkeep the bleed

[frozen zenith]

ye ik thats what I did

but it still feels bad when you use barely any envenoms

[hollow river]

Envenom is just a filler spell

We cast when there’s no more bleeds to cast

[oak sky]

allied races arent that bad

you p much just play thru legion and bfa once

[hollow river]

I thought night borne was a pretty big grind

Needing exalted or something with their faction

[umbral rapids]

Was it exalted ? I thought the mount was exalted

[oak sky]

nah they removed all the rep requirements

[umbral rapids]

Oh right

[oak sky]

but you do have to do some suramar stuff

[umbral rapids]

Man i forgot that was a thing

[hollow river]

Oh really?

[oak sky]

i have nightborne tho

[hollow river]

What about that sick ass tabard

[oak sky]

suramar is cool anyway

[umbral rapids]

In 8.3 they removed them no ? Or SL launch ?

[oak sky]

idk i dont care ab tabards

[hollow river]

With the purple smiley face

Wonder if I can complete legion and bfa requirements while leveling a char

[undone eagle]

Hm , doomblade lego is not as good anymore right?

[oak sky]

bfa for sure legion i think you almost can

er

actually for legion stuff you have to do argus

which is like for sure past 50

[hollow river]

The raid?

Or

A zone

[oak sky]

zone

the raid is antorus

[hollow river]

Ahh

[oak sky]

argus is the final boss too ig

[hollow river]

I need those red and blue scythes

[oak sky]

world soul or smth

its where the draenei are from

so poggers

[hollow river]

But you can start leveling in those expac and I guess finish whatever you need to even after you hit 50

[oak sky]

yep

thats what i did

i leveled my monk on alliance in legion

and did all the suramar stuff

[hollow river]

Idk what to level lmao I don’t have much left

I guess I could level a DH in Legion

[oak sky]

the bfa ones take a while too btw

not forever

but a bit

ye legion dh is pretty good

[hollow river]

Which ones?

[oak sky]

cant remember at this point

[hollow river]

The races?

[oak sky]

ive done most of them

yeah like some of the achievements take some time

[hollow river]

I’d like to imagine bfa is zandy troll and magger orc

[oak sky]

uh

its zandy troll and vulpera

i dont have maghar

lemme check rq

yeah maghar is from bfa too

you just do the war campaign

zandy is tides of vengeance quests and main story i think then vulpera is just doing the voldun questline

[hollow river]

VE is Argus stuff

[oak sky]

yep

[hollow river]

Nightborne is suramar

[oak sky]

you get lightforged and ve for argus

highmountain is just finishing the highmountain leveling zone

[hollow river]

Guide says you need exalted with the Nightfallen

[oak sky]

nah

its not true

[hollow river]

Which I guess isn’t true anymore

[oak sky]

guide should have everything right except that

[hollow river]

That tabard is dope tho

[oak sky]

i used those guides a lot

[hollow river]

Kk

One of these days, deep into the dark depths of farm...

I will start this grind

[oak sky]

i think ive done all the achievements

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

i just havent done the final unlock quests yet

[hollow river]

It’s a lot to do if you want then all tbh

[oak sky]

not that much

[hollow river]

I just want the dwarf/the elves/troll and maybe orc

[oak sky]

you can go do some of the bfa stuff with your rogue

[hollow river]

Yeah I can prolly do all of this stuff with my rogue

[oak sky]

some it might be more worth to level through on a class tho

[hollow river]

But questing on a lv 60 is

[oak sky]

but like bfa stuff that youve already mostly done might be better on rogue

[hollow river]

Errr

Already mostly done?

[oak sky]

🤔

did you never level in bfa

[hollow river]

🤔

no

[oak sky]

i leveled through it when i started

and ive done it like

[hollow river]

I always leveled in Cata/WoD

[oak sky]

5 more times on different alts ive never playe

d

[hollow river]

Because it’s faster

[oak sky]

bfa doesnt take brainpower

mop is actually fun so ive done it a couple times

legion is ok

[hollow river]

o:

I was gonna lvl my DH through legion anyways

It’s still chillin at lvl 16 rn

[oak sky]

if you dont want to hate yourself while leveling i like mop or legion tbh

just a little slower than wod

[hollow river]

Well cata is pretty brain dead too

[oak sky]

BRO

[hollow river]

And all the quest and zones are super close together

[oak sky]

i dont have the mechagonian threat quest

smh

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

i did

like all of it

[hollow river]

I forgot I might need mechagnome

[oak sky]

when i was alliance

and i never finished the last one

[hollow river]

And then you faction swapped and lost it all?

[oak sky]

yep

the last one was do operation mechagon

[hollow river]

Wow that’s so fucked up dude

[oak sky]

and i never did it

[hollow river]

We’re going to need mechagnome aren’t we

In 9.2.5

[oak sky]

nah

if its like 20 dps

i just won't bother

[hollow river]

It’s typically like 150-200

[oak sky]

not tryna be a diaper baby

[hollow river]

Or something wild

[oak sky]

last tier i think belf was the best actually

[hollow river]

Nah ain’t no way

[oak sky]

crit gud

[hollow river]

Haven’t they always done all the sims as mechagnome

Because it sims the highest

[oak sky]

i dont have the race string or i would sim my guy rn

[hollow river]

Belf was def best for horde

I’m orc now tho

[oak sky]

im still belf

[hollow river]

I might be doing pvp this season

So I switched orc

[willow eagle]

Can you proc master assasin talent with shadowmeld?

[oak sky]

if you trust bloodmallet then void elf is the best rn

which i would be down for

[limber lion]

Void Elf is best by far

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

void elf is cool as shit

[limber lion]

I simmed all races for my character and everything else was within 20 dps

[hollow river]

Why tho

[limber lion]

and Void Elf was +80 dps

[oak sky]

there you go

[limber lion]

it's nuts

[oak sky]

relatively close

[hollow river]

What does VE do

[oak sky]

void elf just has a damage proc

[hollow river]

Ah

[oak sky]

its pretty good tho

[hollow river]

Similar to undead?

[oak sky]

ill link

sec

[hollow river]

They have a couple damaging effects

[limber lion]

and they have the void orb teleport thingy

[misty holly]

Void elf has 1/2 transmog cost. It is super broken.

[limber lion]

poggie

[hollow river]

I heard the port was meh

[oak sky]

port is good for priest shaman and dk

actually

not shaman

[hollow river]

But I bet you could do some sick stuff with it

[oak sky]

i dont think they can go void elf

[hollow river]

Don’t think so

[oak sky]

but anyways my dk is a void elf because i thought it sounded cool

[hollow river]

Priest and dk ye

[misty holly]

Port is good for moving past barrier or something, but it's not good for mobility. Moves too slow.

[oak sky]

and thats why i'll be a void elf dk alter in 9.2.5

[hollow river]

Looks like I’m gonna be unlocking void elf

That’s horde too wtf have I been doing

[oak sky]

void elf is alliance

[hollow river]

80 dps?? We’re all trolling

Oh

Nvm

I’m trolling

[oak sky]

its like their blood elf

[hollow river]

Yeah

[oak sky]

and nightborne is our nelf

[hollow river]

Gotcha gotcha

[subtle tundra]

yes? im a troll?

[oak sky]

oh cool sha of fear is up

[hollow river]

Yeah you’re a troll

[oak sky]

where my dk was

[subtle tundra]

ofc im a troll, best race

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

i did not get the mount

Sadge

[hollow river]

That’s another char I could level

Dk

I’ve always loathed that class idk why

Ever since it was introduced

[oak sky]

looks cool to me

im just leaning into being a boomer zoomer

sin main

dk alt

ill never escape it

[hollow river]

Lol wdym

[oak sky]

slow specs

[hollow river]

I didn’t know dk was slow

[oak sky]

well

boomer specs

[hollow river]

I knew unholy was kinda slow

[oak sky]

either way

[hollow river]

Isn’t frost a bit faster?

[oak sky]

idk

dk is pretty boomer overall though

[hollow river]

Frost is really good this tier

[oak sky]

ye

[hollow river]

For cleave

[oak sky]

im probably doing unholy idk how much ill mess around with frost

[hollow river]

Our frost dk been doing numbers

##,###

Like 25k dps on Anduin

[oak sky]

i mean idk

[hollow river]

Padding omega

[oak sky]

my dps was pretty good on anduin

[hollow river]

_>

[oak sky]

i was well over 20k before lust

[hollow river]

Rogue is basically bottom dps

[oak sky]

lol

[hollow river]

It should be bottom dps on that fight if everyone else is playing correctly

[oak sky]

[hollow river]

Even sub rogue BP spammers

Dk, DH, mage, hunter, they all blow that shit out of the water lol

I’d mention ww but dead spec so

[oak sky]

30 wipes from today

didnt hit lust

didnt hit p3

ill top the boss

[hollow river]

Raid full of baggers

[oak sky]

and i dont even think im doing nearly enough dam

[hollow river]

You’re doing fine

[oak sky]

i probably won't even get a sick log

[hollow river]

For rogue

Definitely not

Play Deathspike for sick log

[oak sky]

sounds like cope

[hollow river]

The issue atm is some people have 4p already

[oak sky]

but yeah fuck anduin gonn alower my avg

[hollow river]

You can’t keep up with some of them by default

Too many power spikes this tier

[oak sky]

i cant keep up on all stars because my guild hasnt killed all the bosses

unfortunately

[hollow river]

We’re still on heroic Andy

[oak sky]

same

should die tomorrow

we did an extra day today

[hollow river]

We reclear tomorrow

[oak sky]

its monday

[hollow river]

Full heroic then Normal tier bosses

[oak sky]

oh

i meant t oday

lol

[hollow river]

Lmao

[oak sky]

sorry i havent slept yet so its still yesterday

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

hmm i better sleep i need to do keys today

[hollow river]

Yeah I need like 4 more

[oak sky]

Same

[limber lion]

I haven't seen many Assa 4p's. Most rogues who get 4p just insta-swap to Sub

not sure if I've seen any to be honest

[oak sky]

Theres like 1 or 2 dusk logs on every boss

[limber lion]

not a single one in the top 10

with a 4p and dusk you'd automatically get top 10

a lot of people play dusk without the tier set

because they're dumb

seen some night fae as well with literal 0p

[lunar otter]

will assa top logs ay rekon or just gonan be sub all the ways

[hollow river]

Yeah some people just don’t want to spend any extra gold

[limber lion]

on some bosses assa might do better

[hollow river]

Or their rogues are brand new

[indigo mulch]

Overall i think sub will do better

[limber lion]

I'm not swapping to Sub, not even on Halondrus

The spec which you play better

will do better

[hollow river]

Sin will always do better on Pantheon and Lords of Dread

Unless sub has GOD mode procs

[limber lion]

And Vigilant Guardian and Rygelon

[hollow river]

Meh

[limber lion]

And maybe Sausage

[hollow river]

Zoldycks on Gaurdian?

Rygelon I think is debatable

[limber lion]

Yes

[limber lion]

I don't think so.

100% a Necro Assa fight

[hollow river]

God procs could inflate sub logs

[zinc frost]

Yeah the resets on bonespike on Rygelon is good

[hollow river]

Sub has like 18k peak variance

Or some shit

[oak sky]

Sub gains nothing from the rygelon balls while sin can abuse them

But like its possible sub tuning can overcome that

[limber lion]

Yeh

They're never stacked or close enough to benefit Sub funnel

[oak sky]

Yep

[limber lion]

but you get 100% Kevin uptime with Assa and you can funnel everything on the boss

[oak sky]

I noticed that and tbh i initially was thinking outlaw is the best on that boss

[hollow river]

I’m talking about ST variance

[oak sky]

Probably the only fight where passive cleave is actually useful

[limber lion]

Ye

[oak sky]

Ill be necro sin there though

Not sure if ill bust out the nf or just play sub

Could be nice to have the 2nd spec in my pocket

Not be a onetrick and all

[hollow river]

I mean any fights where sin is even competitive I’ll play sin for sure

I just can’t swap cov so often for heroic

[oak sky]

Ye im just venthyr unless its gigatroll

[hollow river]

Sub is really fun man

[oak sky]

Or if i want to try something etc

[limber lion]

I'm swapping covenant for every single boss on Mythic

[hollow river]

I didn’t like sub much in Sanctum

[oak sky]

Oh on mythic 100%

[limber lion]

because not doing that would be unnecessary sandbagging

But yeah, heroic is kinda whatever

[hollow river]

But it’s really good rn

[limber lion]

Just run Necro Assa and you're chill, or Venthyr and swap between Sub/Assa

[hollow river]

Eh I’d rather wait a bit longer

Until we have full 11/11 on farm

[limber lion]

imagine farming all 11 bosses

and not just the 5 tier bosses

[hollow river]

I run Venthyr and swap specs rn

Same as sanctum when it first came out

[zinc frost]

Jailer farm, gross

[oak sky]

Last tier farm there were 9 bosses

[limber lion]

we're not doing jailer on any difficulty for weeks to come

[hollow river]

Yeah we skip Normal Jailer every week

[oak sky]

Yep

Fucks your vault

[hollow river]

NEED MORE TIER

scratches neck like crackhead

The neck off Jailer though

Probably Heroic is better than any 278 neck

[indigo mulch]

I need one more piece =c

[hollow river]

If I had to guess

[pure moth]

Killed it last night.. got the rune trinket. Its interesting

[hollow river]

Trinkets would be a good reason to kill him

But tier is top priority

[pure moth]

Yeah

[limber lion]

What makes you think that?

[spice spire]

Mastery; not even once

[zinc frost]

Yeah feel like there’s better neck pieces to get from M + vault

[spice spire]

Triple secondary is nice, but don’t think it makes up for the ilvl difference, yeah?

[limber lion]

The amount of stats is still the same, even though there's 3 stats

You get 97 97 97 crit, haste and mastery from the heroic neck

which is 291 stat

A 278 mythic neck is 300 stat

[slow marsh]

Ye h jailer is kinda pointless

I could maybe see them buffing his loot table

[spice spire]

Tier only gamers

[odd heath]

Adding a tier set item to jailer, tradeable for any part

Would be good imo

[limber lion]

A bit too loaded and it's a bit too late now

[slow marsh]

Ye idk if that would fly at this point

All they can do is buff his loot if anything

I.e trinkets

[vestal wren]

chains trinket could be nice

also daggers

but ye, not that big

they just need to add a tier token to him, and you would have a lot of incentive to go and kill it

[slow marsh]

Jailer doesn't have daggers

[vestal wren]

oh correct, i always forget

[slow marsh]

You mean the fist?

[limber lion]

The best item Jailer drops

is the mount

[slow marsh]

Ye it seems to be the popular suggestion but at the same time feels unlikely

[limber lion]

and it's not even that good of a mount imo

[vestal wren]

na i was under the impression jailer had the dagger, but it is rygeon

[limber lion]

[vestal wren]

mounts are about prestige tho

[limber lion]

ya

[vestal wren]

so can look like a garbage bag and you would use it to show off

[limber lion]

you know you'll see me flexing it if I get it

even if I hate it

[hollow river]

Ooh my b then

[hollow river]

The mace from the Jailer is quite strong apparently

Could be a decent thing to get for your warriors/DKs

[vestal wren]

to bad neither sub nor assassination will use it

[hollow river]

Yeah I meant from a guild point of view

It’s a 2 hand I believe

Not sure if Normal mace would replace 259 Jaithys or not but I’d hope it would

[violet hemlock]

apperantly jaithys aint that good according to some of my guildies

due to 2 handers having an insane stat budget

[hollow river]

I wonder how Fury distributes it’s weapon stat power

Like if OH is weak same as for us

[violet hemlock]

a 252 is bettter than a second hc jaithys in some situation for fury

[hollow river]

Yeah

Or 2 252s

It’s odd

[violet hemlock]

ye

its not eon good

[hollow river]

And apparentlyDK doesn’t do the final upgrade for Jaithys?

Like feeding it the final weapon

Because it’s a downgrade

[violet hemlock]

Whats really fucked is hunters preffing 252 over the legendary bow

[hollow river]

Then why do all hunters complain

About never seeing the bow

[slow marsh]

Cuz hunters like to complain

[violet hemlock]

cause they also dont get vault loot

[hollow river]

Hunters are actually pretty respectable for not complaining much

[slow marsh]

Meanwhile mm is destroying keys

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

But me no get bow

[hollow river]

MM is blasting

It’s insane with 2P

[violet hemlock]

I wish a had a single tier piece 😦

I wanna swap sin but dont wanna have to make the 4 leggos that will be trashed before sdusk so waiting till 4pc

[hollow river]

Same

[slow marsh]

Should wait for 4p anyways tbh

[violet hemlock]

ye

[hollow river]

I don’t want to craft: Dusk/Zold/Akaari/Finality/Unity

[violet hemlock]

already have fae up specifcally for this

[hollow river]

But I must have them ALL

[violet hemlock]

and necro Ive had up forever

is the burst actually rresonable on 4pc sin or is it still kinda meh

[hollow river]

I think it’s still gonna be a sustain profile like always

But it’ll look closer to subs profile where it bursts up a little every minute

[violet hemlock]

subs a lot flatter as kyrian

[hollow river]

Not really

You’d be surprised

Fuu was showing me the graphs last night

It’s a little flatter yeah but tbh not by much at all

[violet hemlock]

I guess mikanos does make er hit pretty dam hard

and ur garuanteed to hit like 2 cps instantly

[hollow river]

I’m just surprised sub doesn’t ever run the Kyrian conduit

[violet hemlock]

sub has good conduits

[hollow river]

Pressing ER every 45 sec

[violet hemlock]

probs at some target count its worth

where pv loses value and kyr conduit gains

[hollow river]

I don’t think they ever play it

[spice spire]

Deeper is an auto slot for most

[hollow river]

Of course

[spice spire]

Which means fewer slots while we’re starved for them

[violet hemlock]

is it even worse on 5 target sustained

[spice spire]

WPS + Covenant conduit gaming

[violet hemlock]

even tho u wouldt play kyr on 5target sustained

[slow marsh]

Only for OL

[kind talon]

outlaw chat

https://tenor.com/view/wisdom-wisdomous-intelligent-smart-gif-14536675

sin chat

https://tenor.com/view/how-iplaysmash-gif-5006024

ill be back next week

[slow marsh]

Kekw

[subtle tundra]

man i literally get bullied in this chat when saying good things about assa

[slow marsh]

[kind talon]

im soz

[gusty mirage]

Please don’t

I hope we wake up Tuesday and outlaw gets buffed so the pirates can scurry back to outlaw and leave us alone

[spice spire]

If you don’t hate yourself, are you truly an assassination gamer?

[gusty mirage]

[kind talon]

but ill be helpful then

like

ds is good

and

EP is good guys

😈

[gusty mirage]

Ground breaking stuff

You should be a theorycrafter

[kind talon]

ty

i am one for otualw

[umbral rapids]

[kind talon]

(the most complex speck)

[spice spire]

(Thinking is hard, just press flashy buttons)

[kind talon]

no

pushes up glasses

[spice spire]

Sin is a GIGA complex spec, trust (I like to watch videos while raiding)

Less so this tier hecking four piece

[kind talon]

its quite complex because you have so many viable talent

(unlieks outawl)

[gusty mirage]

For sure, tons of viable talents

[hollow river]

You’re our favorite punching bag

But also our OTP hero

Ever since Whispyr abandoned his title

[spice spire]

He runs sub, he’s dead to me

[hollow river]

I run sub too

Wait

Varas does?

[spice spire]

Yeah he’s forced to

I’m memeing of course

[limber lion]

Ya'll are filthy

smh

this is as much Sub as I have played

[clever kindle]

only my boss damage parses

[limber lion]

I don't even have a soulbind

[clever kindle]

never seen an add in my life

[limber lion]

I've never set foot in Elysian Hold

[clever kindle]

I havent changed to the sub spec since legion

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

Don’t look at me I’m hideous

[limber lion]

kyrian worst covenant in the game

[gusty mirage]

I’ve recently come to the conclusion that despite my venthyr fanboying earlier this expac

I despise everything about the covenant

[limber lion]

Night Fae > Necrolord > Venthyr >>> Kyrian

[gusty mirage]

I’d rather be kyrian than venthyr at this point tbh

[limber lion]

I enjoy Necrolord the most probably in terms of dps rotation

But I'm not much of a fleshcrafter

I need that mobility button

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’s necro > fae >>>>>>> venthyr = kyrian for me

[subtle tundra]

get... better?

i wanna faeee

[gusty mirage]

You can

Don’t let your dreams be dreams varas

[subtle tundra]

yessssss wednesday ============================================= 4pc

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

today == 2pc

weekly vault == 3pc

[limber lion]

I can't wait to get 4p on Wednesday

gonna be so dank

[subtle tundra]

wednesday raid == 4pc

[echo geyser]

We perma fae with 4p or still necro cleave

[subtle tundra]

necro until double leggo

and for aoe necro i guess

with double leggo

[limber lion]

Yeh, Necro still bis on aoe/cleave

with 4p/dl

[lavish hazel]

necro cleave

death pike turbo strong with with 2p

[timid cloud]

[glass tulip]

[alpine latch]

Is there a "best" option to make Unity on if I, ideally, want to play all 3 specs without crafting 3 separate unities?

Just go Crit/Haste or Crit/Vers and throw it on bracers and call it a day?

I still very much want to main Sin for raid, I just like it more. However I do want to get in some keys this tier as Outlaw and Sub

[brazen inlet]

how often do we end up getting vendettas with 4pc dusk?

[pearl ingot]

~1 min

[gusty mirage]

I’d probably make crit/vers bracers then

[alpine latch]

okay - that shouldn't set me back too much in terms of raw Sin ST damage

Probably like 30-40 DPS

[gusty mirage]

Probably not even that much tbh

[alpine latch]

Okay cool

[gusty mirage]

Yeah secondaries are kind of whatever

[alpine latch]

My goal was KSM on all 3 specs, and I'm open to messing around with Sub in raid for farm nights, but IDK if I'd actually commit to it on prog unless I became good at it and we just needed the extra damage

[umbral tulip]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[clever kindle]

if you want to learn a spec imo just smash a target dummy for an hour or two then hop into keys youll be blasting in no time

lets you build up the muscle memory a bit first

[limber lion]

Yeh like Oxi said, it's kinda whatever. Stats are fluid with all having their own dr's and whatnot, so by you investing in crit/vers bracers, you'll want more haste/mastery from other sources

[alpine latch]

Yeah, and that's fine

I'm just tired of buying so many damn leggos

[vestal wren]

i think belt does not rly overlap

[limber lion]

Resounding Clarity is belt/shoulders

so I wouldn't

I mean

nevermind

LMAO

[slow marsh]

kek

[limber lion]

Yeh Belt is fine

[vestal wren]

haha

bracers probably work too

[limber lion]

Yeh I mean the Jailer drops a belt

but mythic Jailer ain't exactly dying anytime soon

[vestal wren]

not sure if you want to make ring

because dusk on ring

[limber lion]

can't have 2 lege rings

[vestal wren]

and it would mean you miss out on this bad boy

[limber lion]

but ideally we'd want unity ring and dusk chest probs

[glass tulip]

say it aint so fuu

dont hurt us like this

[vestal wren]

[hasty crater]

Where is that from

[limber lion]

Legion TW

[vestal wren]

timewalking

[subtle tundra]

double ring leggo?

[vestal wren]

mav you only need to do 2 things and you can skip the ring

[subtle tundra]

omega pog stat distribution??

[hollow river]

He said dusk chest

[subtle tundra]

no thanks

[spice spire]

Back to the TW mines with you

[subtle tundra]

im going atleast 1 leggo on ring

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

to get good stats

[limber lion]

yes

like I said

[hollow river]

He said unity ring

[vestal wren]

#1 open the talent window
#2 spec into subtlety

[limber lion]

we use lege ring

and lege chest

[subtle tundra]

go fuck a dog

[limber lion]

or dusk ring

and unity chest

[hollow river]

I don’t think you can even 2x leggo ring

[limber lion]

either way

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

They’re unique equip

[limber lion]

you canb't

[vestal wren]

to be fair venthyr would use the ring too

[hollow river]

What the hell

[thorn fjord]

[hollow river]

Quakes dog is highly offended

George don’t roll that way homie

[clever kindle]

I did get a 278 crit vers ring from my chest this week

[spice spire]

Exactly

He’s a good boy don’t do that to him

[subtle tundra]

sorry, i have these outbursts

[hollow river]

George way to trill to be hanging around with normies anyway

[subtle tundra]

its not ok

[hollow river]

Only sin OTP’s

[subtle tundra]

literally just did 22 dos as sub

wdymmmmmmmmmmmmm

[hollow river]

Exactly my point

You’re not a OTP king anymore

[subtle tundra]

cause i get discriminated

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

Is this bis for sin/sub?

[vestal wren]

idk why but chest does sim worse for my sin profile

[hollow river]

I’m assuming it is for sin

[thorn fjord]

Sub 2p feels so much better than Sin 😦

[limber lion]

it is for sin, yes

[vestal wren]

the ring is best for outlaw/sin and sub venthyr

kyrian it isn't

[thorn fjord]

swapped over to Sub last night for H Holondrus and man did it feel better

[vestal wren]

maybe it still is best on halondrus

no aa misses

so i would say sub can't skip it

[hollow river]

What about Faulty?

[subtle tundra]

you guys are mayoneese eaters cba

[pearl ingot]

i wanted to sim for halondrus hc, this is my best result. wondering why it isn´t venth tho. Am i missing something? Is there room for improvements i missed (besides playstyle)?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pLZrY2eQ5XByuQkx2gNVLG

[thorn fjord]

wtf is mayoneese

[vestal wren]

faulty is bis on outlaw

[hollow river]

Oops

[limber lion]

that's an assassination rogue.

[hollow river]

Assa channel

[limber lion]

What is this sim?

[vestal wren]

sub its good, but we have better options, sin similar

[limber lion]

Why is it 3 minutes?

Why didn't you sim other talents?

You didn't even sim Venthyr

Also doing this is super duper useless

You always want 1 Celestial and 1 Sinful, so you don't have to sim those

You should also slap haste enchants on and only sim all gems

[pearl ingot]

that is the summary of my sims / usually the fight lenght is ~6 min but last time i asked for help how to sim a boss someone said i should sim 3 min

[hollow river]

Yeah this is a huge waste of room in your sim iterations

[vestal wren]

burning some sweet cpu time on useless iterations

[pearl ingot]

was the last step after comparing gear/talents/conduits

[hollow river]

Who on earth told you 3 min

[pearl ingot]

i asked for pantheon hc someone said 4targets/3min

[limber lion]

Yeah you don't want to do that

[limber lion]

Yes, I probably did

because the last phase is 4 targets

3 minutes

[pearl ingot]

i dont question those community figures

[limber lion]

Halondrus is not a 4 target 3 minute fight

[hollow river]

That’s for execute phase specifically

[pearl ingot]

no

[limber lion]

Halondrus is legit 7 minutes or something

[pearl ingot]

yeah 😦

[limber lion]

Just stick to the normal 5 min sims

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hrFkN4tNMpdy4de1f23Yau

[pearl ingot]

so we sim it like the fight really is

[limber lion]

This should do you well once it finishes

[hollow river]

You also set boss HP to 50% for pantheon execute sims

[pearl ingot]

okay

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hrFkN4tNMpdy4de1f23Yau

That's the final result

Necro is 221 dps worse

[pearl ingot]

ty

so does it depend on theotar´s tea buff which is better?

[limber lion]

No

If you roll down you can see Nadja as well

Nadja is 94 dps better than Necro as well

[pearl ingot]

just trying to learn simming correctly, ty

[limber lion]

and now that you know that Venthyr with MFD and Theotar is best

you should now sim all trinkets and whatnot

and then gems

and only gems

[pearl ingot]

okay

[hollow river]

Why not ring enchants?

[limber lion]

Because then you'll end up with something like this

Enchants and gems give the same amount of stats

[hollow river]

Yeah

[limber lion]

so instead of enchanting crit and socketing haste

you enchant haste and socket crit

and avoid the enchant simming entirely

[hollow river]

Gotcha gotcha

I’ve had some weird outcomes with gems n shit lately

Specifically for sub telling me to gem crit when my vers is hella low and crit is hella high

[echo geyser]

did u sim both at once tho

[hollow river]

Yeah

[echo geyser]

not having 1 equipped and simming only 1 type

[hollow river]

I had 1 equipped by I selected both to compare

Can you not have them equipped that’d be weird

[limber lion]

doesn't matter what's equipped

you just have to make sure to press the "replace enchants/gems" buttons

if you want to sim different enchants

[hollow river]

Ye

Maybe I had it off I’d have to check

May have forgotten since we’re done with dom shards

[inner granite]

Anyone able to assist with a log review of my recent rygelon kill? Making a swap to sin just want to see what I am missing.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9c2WfmxjCpnYADvR#fight=6&type=damage-done&source=33&view=timeline

[sinful citrus]

Wps should be better than lethal for you conduits on mobile so not sure but you might have delayed vendetta you have 3 casts when you could have had a partial at the end if it was used on cd

@inner granite

[gusty mirage]

Set up a thread for you @inner granite

Help him lads

[strange silo]

my spells/dots and stuff deal way less dmg then my melee my melee is always pretty much the highest do you guys have the same problem?

[limber lion]

Is that a problem?

[strange silo]

not really but kinda feels weird dont know

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's a non-issue

[alpine latch]

In the likely event that I get double legendary before 4pc (shit I hope I even get 2pc in the next 8 days), do I just start prepping for 4pc and make Unity + Duskwalkers?

[hollow river]

Kind of a personal decision homie

Your gold and time

That’s prolly what I’d do. Or use my old Dashing with Unity

[alpine latch]

Time is easy, I have nothing to do outside of work. Gold, I've been spending non-stop for 2 years now

The move to Illidan definitely hurt

[spice spire]

Palmer a confirmed whale

[hollow river]

I mean dashing Obe is best combo anyway, besides Zoldycks deathspike on a fight or two

I’m just gonna use my old dashing and craft akaaris for sub

Until I’m ready for Duskwalkers

Maybe I’ll craft Zold

Dunno depends on when we start mythic prog

We’re probably another week or two from mythic prog if I had to guess

Still need heroic Andy

[alpine latch]

In Legion I made over 150m gold. Between BFA and Shadowlands I've spent like 130 of it. I'm probably going to have to start getting rid of a few TCG items 😦

Plus I still have to gold-cap a gbank for my friends birthday, because that's what I've been planning on getting her for a while now

[hollow river]

Watchu got cuz homie I’m buyin

[alpine latch]

So that's another 8m to finish that bank off

I'd have to look. I gave some of it away

[strange python]

150 mil @.@ I’ve never even seen 1 mil

My man an economist

[clever kindle]

haha im sure

brother I was selling agi pots on illidan last night for 380g a piece

There its easier to ride whales wakes because there are a few really heavy hitters that constantly frequent illidan, so just find what they flip and ride the coattails

[alpine latch]

Yup. I've been crushing on armor kits

Making 20-30k a day

[clever kindle]

I wish I still worked from home on some days so I could sit there and at least just flip herbs into pots etc

[modest barn]

what are tier sets? how do i get them. sorry for stupid question

[alpine latch]

Tier sets come from raid, but can also come from Great Vault by both doing PvP and Mythic Plus. There are 5 items in total, and you get a bonus for wearing 2 of them and another bonus for wearing 4 of them. The bonus varies by spec

There's no bonus for wearing all 5 of them

[modest barn]

are there specific slots that tier gear is for

[spice spire]

This should answer all of your questions https://www.wowhead.com/guides/assassination-rogue-tier-set-bonuses

It goes over it pretty in depth, slots, bosses, bonuses, etc.

[modest barn]

thank you

[alpine latch]

No problem man

[subtle tundra]

@limber lion on rygelon ep or bs? necro with ds obv

[balmy condor]

We never play blindside

It’s either ep mfd before tier or ep ds after tier

[subtle tundra]

it sims better for me 🙂

but im asking for a specific scenario anyways

probably ep, but asking to make sure