But I have 20% more vers than you so shouldn’t I be doing 20% more damage???
#assassination
hollow river
spice spire
So they just have nonstop burst
spice spire
Not literal nothing mind you but close
timid cloud
Yeah.
spice spire
Flag goes down to like 1s
Sbs not affected 
gusty mirage
But I have 20% more vers than you so shouldn’t I be doing 20% more damage???
Yes that’s exactly how that works
gusty mirage
Sbs not affected <:rooSuffer1:718970432484540558>
Naw they hotfixed that
spice spire
Oh real shit?
gusty mirage
Or at least they should have
hollow river
Yes that’s exactly how that works
OK thank you for confirmation
timid cloud
You’re actually supposed to go the PVP trinket on them now to keep up with the refreshes.
spice spire
Have done 4 keys this week and 3 were venthyr
gusty mirage
Yeah everything speeds up meow
spice spire
gusty mirage
Kick CD too
gusty mirage
No but it makes me harder
timid cloud
spice spire
Broke: using urh for damage CDs
Woke: using urh for extra feints
gusty mirage
timid cloud
If you know what I’m referencing, you get a hug.
gusty mirage
Broke: using urh for damage CDs
Woke: using urh for extra feints
Imagine ignoring the cdr on door of shadows
Pathetic
timid cloud
No but it makes me harder
spice spire
No but if you ever want to see some cursed shit.
MM hunter with cache will make you mald
Literally can’t miss
spice spire
Wdym I was peaking at 52k dps
How much was axe tho 
timid cloud
Yeah. I’m excited to do that on my Hunter this week, especially on Fort where the things actually live through my burst.
Axe in 8 Target was 30% of my damage or more.
spice spire
My rogue is so fucked in m+ my warrior is closing in on numbers. And he’s arms
alpine radish
Whats the difference i ilvl
spice spire
And the warrior has tier 
timid cloud
I was a bad boy. I did the ||black powder||
spice spire
7?
alpine radish
I reckon i could do more as a 226 warr than my 250+ 😂
timid cloud
I’d play mine if it wasn’t on Alliance…
alpine radish
I insta invite good warriors in the pug game
grim hornet
haven't tried this patch yet but 9.1.5 i got mine to 246-250 or something and its just nuts in keys
spice spire
OH that reminds me, ran a 5 for the weekly yesterday and I beat a 253 venthyr rogue in HoA. With 27% black powder
On warrior
alpine radish
Gotta love specs where 1 button carries theit damage 😂
Spear of bastion go burrrrr
timid cloud
That was me, Quake.
spice spire
Oh no
timid cloud
I was the Rogue.
spice spire
Homie if you have 3 rogues, you’re more mentally ill than @gusty mirage
clever kindle
I know someone with 6 shamans
timid cloud
Actually nuts.
spice spire
Straight up.
Aight imma need you to delete this rn
timid cloud
If I go past 2 Rogues & I won’t have an excuse to be dogshit anymore.
spice spire
Same
timid cloud
clever kindle
cat is 4 fite
timid cloud
spice spire
Won’t accept this feral Druid SLANDER.
If you have a feral player, those are some loyal mfs and he probably frags.
Buddy, boomkins are the problem
alpine radish
Hahahahaha
spice spire
Buddy, you were literally told this by a hero class
gusty mirage
… I have 3 rogues
gusty mirage
spice spire
Yes but do you BP spam and still lose to a less geared ARMS warrior in a dungeon?
spice spire
He had the goyles and lost on boss fights 
He just didn’t know how to ST at all, it felt like.
Seemed like an alt
rapid flame
Havent really played assa in new raid, mainly been playing sub; looking at lords of dread tonight and usage of xymox trinket, i take it you play axe proc and try and line it with flag as long as there's no loss in amount of uses? This is for 2-target cleave anyways
hollow river
Havent really played assa in new raid, mainly been playing sub; looking at lords...
Think we take axe in all scenarios now
spice spire
Anything 15k on first boss is a disgrace 😂
He hit checks notes 8k
rapid flame
Think we take axe in all scenarios now
alright, sad to hear no sword usage; axe in all scenarios as assa aswell 
alpine radish
Reckon axe will get nerfed?
hollow river
Reckon axe will get nerfed?
Ehh hard to say
alpine radish
Does a far whack of dam by the looks of it
slow marsh
They want raid trinkets to be good but idk if it should be THAT good in aoe
alpine radish
Idd
slow marsh
Either way we're chillin cuz even if they nerf axe sword is still super good for us
alpine radish
Dont agree with them nerfing phial still though - bastards
Not from a rogue stand point
slow marsh
Wym it's still our strongest trinket even after the nerf
alpine radish
Ww needed that ST
slow marsh
rapid flame
axe is fun to play with x) big pulls in mists hoa, as sub atleast its doing 600-700k for me
(dont nerf pls)
whole wadi
has anyone found a way to sim the new primary stat procs on jewellery?
thorn fjord
You guys talking about the xymox trinket?
timid cloud
I think that’s about the crafted 262’s with the effects.
civic granite
hi all some one got a streamer rogeu assasinat raider ?
slow marsh
I don't need a new comp I just need a gpu then I will do the same
alpine radish
Found it cheaper to buy a prebuilt in a computer shop than building again 😂
gusty mirage
has anyone found a way to sim the new primary stat procs on jewellery?
its like single digit dps
slow marsh
It's a 41 agi buff that you have 10% of the time even when looking for it
Source - me on halondrus in a spot by myself so I could see the dots
whole wadi
its like single digit dps
yeah but how do you know, I was asking for a way to sim it to get an actual picture
slow marsh
Still wishing I would've gotten the secondary stat proc
timid cloud
How long does that one even last?
slow marsh
The primary stat isn't worth bothering about
timid cloud
I thought it was on kill.
slow marsh
The secondary is on kill
spice spire
buy me a new computer and I'll stream every day
Need you to stream to sandbag our numbers
You’re gonna get us nerfed homie
slow marsh
It's 20s for the secondary stat
timid cloud
We become mail at 40. Late game bay-bee.
slow marsh
What’s the ICD?
There isn't one I think. It's just when you kill stuff and it stacks
bold lintel
What you guys think about Zoldyck Insignia with tier set?
limber lion
I don't need a new comp I just need a gpu then I will do the same
dw WoW is optimized like shit where your gpu literally does nothing
GPU just chilling during raid
while CPU going 
slow marsh
Well ye but for streaming my gpu can barely hang
I upgraded my CPU first because of what you said
meager swallow
Has anyone else played rogue recently and noticed that they have just randomly been removed from stealth?
gusty mirage
GPU just chilling during raid
until you stream off your gpu
then they both turn into an inferno
meager swallow
Like, standing still, no negative modifiers, just getting yeeted from stealth. It's been happening all morning without taking damage.
meager swallow
Yes
limber lion
That's because Pocopoc is searching for treasures
and when it spots a treasure, it counts as an action
so it pulls you out of stealth
meager swallow
But he's not up.
meager swallow
WM on
red plaza
Just get the WQs done and get out. Flying is next week to do all the things there XD
lyric crater
i take it night fae still go to with duouble leges
muted ivy
lyric crater
k
meager swallow
Hmmm. So it looks like the buff for searching was up, but poc wasn't. Thanks Cev.
limber lion
lyric crater
so how much haste do i want or whats the soft cap
pure moth
You'll have to keep simming as you get gear to determine based on your profile.
dull osprey
So I want to push sin in arenas this season. What are some good resources to see how sin is supposed to be played and what comps I should be looking for? I know its not the same playstyle as sub (been told its more akin to warrior)
alpine radish
There is a pvp tab
gusty mirage
#pvp would be a better spot to ask questions, but as for your best resources for info
you're kind of limited to youtube guides, Palumor puts up some decent ones, Pika occasionally drops one, and to skill-capped
skill capped is probably the best resource for gaining arena knowledge
besides that it's literally just going in and playing games
figuring out what works and what doesn't
gusty mirage
all good my dude
dull osprey
And yeah Pika is who was inspiring me to get guud
gusty mirage
I can give you some basics, but I'm not exactly glad/r1 experience
dull osprey
My mans makes it look fun
alpine radish
Hes v entertaining
I dont even watch for the pvp i watch because hes naturally funny
dull osprey
I have to remind myself its not as easy as he makes it seem lol
gusty mirage
I have to remind myself its not as easy as he makes it seem lol
sometimes though, you'll just hit those GCDs right and delete someone
alpine radish
And very comfortable with his binds
gusty mirage
and it'll feel fucking great
dull osprey
I’ve had a few games already (v low cr) where sepsis deletes our target
I assume once I get into the better leagues that won’t happen as much
With purge/cleanse
alpine radish
Nope theyll respect cds alot more
gusty mirage
you playing mostly 2s or 3s? @dull osprey
alpine radish
Ppl dont even know someone is about to blast at low cr and dont use defensives or immunities haha
Amount of pallies that dont pop divine when theyre gonna die is hilarious
dull osprey
I was doing yolo 2s with my elemental bud lol
dull osprey
Ooohhh. Bet
dull osprey
I’ve not REALLY arena’d since the op corruptions of BFA lol
I got carried by mind flay
gusty mirage
Ppl dont even know someone is about to blast at low cr and dont use defensives o...
or the pallies that bop against you, then die because they can't bubble
unlucky
dull osprey
Just stun the target its wrecking and smoke bomb my tentacle
alpine radish
or the pallies that bop against you, then die because they can't bubble
Or pop bop when they think you are doing the dmg but its actually your firemage team mate 😂
dull osprey
Then before bfa I didn’t arena since cata 😅😅😅
dull osprey
or the pallies that bop against you, then die because they can't bubble
I had this happen actually
mint valve
When we get 4p and double leggo will it be zoldycks/unity necrolord for pantheon/lords of dread fight?
Or will nightfae still be better?
iron orchid
I guess it would come down to the damage profile you need, even for those 'cleave/AoE' fights, it may all come down to some prio damage being thrown on the right target, in which case NF will be better
muted ivy
iron orchid
Best damage output overall would most probably be necro zoldyck yup
muted ivy
necro/zold 100% for pantheon, i haven't seen lords of dread yet
iron orchid
I don't even know what those fights will look like on Mythic
Pantheon becomes even more cleave-oriented ?
muted ivy
should be the same, just more health and mechanics
again just for pantheon, no idea about LoD 
subtle tundra
fuck yea only took 7 pfs to drop phial
subtle tundra
tonight i also drop tier set from anduin + lords + rygelon and get 4pc, havent killed any on normal/hc yet
modest glen
craft doomblade or obedience 291 now? if waiting is not an option
alpine radish
Crafting obe will be a waste of gold
modest glen
true, both feel wasted but maybe obedience more so
muted ivy
craft zoldyk or dustwalker if you really want a 291 rn
alpine radish
Wouldnt even bother making either doom or obe 291
subtle tundra
craft 262 something 
muted ivy
i guess dashing is you really want
bleak sky
craft doomblade or obedience 291 now? if waiting is not an option
Why would you bother with that right now
cloud reef
tiny toxic blades 291 would be safest
brazen zodiac
goood morning gamers
muted ivy
modest glen
guilds wants everyone to have 291 for raid tonight, trying to explain it's a waste
grim tangle
just don't be poor and it's not a waste
bleak sky
guilds wants everyone to have 291 for raid tonight, trying to explain it's a was...
is your guild really high ranked?
muted ivy
just make the 291 and have it be worse then point them back to your explanation
but make the 291 something you'll use in the future
stray mural
I’m about to make the switch to Venthyr. What is the quickest way to get the covenant conduit up to a decent item level? I’m thinking learn the BoA from the vendor to get it to 200 and then grind some Korthia to get it to 226 then idk
modest glen
maybe i'll make a zoldyck then
and no, not high ranked at all so doesnt really matter
bleak sky
getting a 291 right now prob doesn't make that much of a difference honestly
clever kindle
I’m about to make the switch to Venthyr. What is the quickest way to get the cov...
korthia since you can get the bonuses for extra research and shit now shouldnt take too long to max them out
stray mural
Yeah I sunk a lot of time and was spending all of my research on conduits. I got every Assa conduit to 252 but never bothered going back
grim tangle
I’m about to make the switch to Venthyr. What is the quickest way to get the cov...
venthyr covenant conduit drops from halls now, so if you're going to farm anything, farm that
muted ivy
to get the 226 condy thing you just need friendly with Zereth Mortis rep i think
stray mural
Yeah I’m honored I’ve been keeping up
I haven’t bothered to look at the vendor to be honest all I know is that you need revered for doubles
muted ivy
should be the 2nd thing in the store right behind the Unity power
soft merlin
4p 1 lego, you go NF dusk, right?
civic trellis
Do we still pool before casting shiv?
slow marsh
4p 1 lego, you go NF dusk, right?
NL
soft merlin
Ok, with Zoldyck then?
slow marsh
4 is dusk
subtle tundra
once you get 4p youre locked into duskwalkers
soft merlin
yeah, but 4p with 1 lego - you commit duskwalker nf on st fights?
pantheon etc you go necro with zoldyck
unborn needle
Do we have a boss list that we should run Crimson Tempest? I'm thinking Dausegne, Xymox, Pantheon, Lihuvim, Anduin, and Rygelon? Also, while pure Single Target on those bosses, is it ever good to cast CT to put the dot on, or just don't use it without adds? How many adds are needed to make CT viable over our ST rotation?
slow marsh
pantheon etc you go necro with zoldyck
no you go duskwalker
acoustic siren
how can i pump in heavy AOE? feels like i never can hit more then 10k dps in big packs? do i have to spam rupture or whats the way?
slow marsh
Do we have a boss list that we should run Crimson Tempest? I'm thinking Dausegn...
pretty much if there are any adds run CT
same logic goes for necro but the gap isn't as high yet
unborn needle
how can i pump in heavy AOE? feels like i never can hit more then 10k dps in big...
Same question for me too. Assas feels bad in M+ and Raid Trash scenarios.
soft merlin
no you go duskwalker
Ok, so 4p with 1 lego is NL Dusk.
clever kindle
as soon as you have 4p its duskwalker all day
slow marsh
everywher
soft merlin
allright, thanks! 🙂 when you go NL you go bonesmith or marileth?
or is it just preferance?
slow marsh
you'll have to sim I think
soft merlin
fair, thanks once again
slow marsh
Generally it's marileth if you can get any add resets and bonersmith for everythign else, but marileth sims higher for me in ST with just 2p
soft merlin
will sim and see
subtle karma
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
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gentle gyro
ok short question, if I want to keep Zoldycks for M+, should I re-craft it on boots? (just assume money is no issue)
got a 262 version on legs, but that'd be in conflict with (potential) tier
indigo mulch
I crafted mine on boots. I dunno if that was the right move.
pure moth
Top pin, but yes boots
muted ivy
if gold doesn't matter then what does
gentle gyro
ok I can't read
i read the first pin but stopped short off the last line
apologies
muted ivy
wait y'all do DPS? 
spice spire
I don’t
gentle gyro
i usually get forced on a healer for raid / m+
but this tier everyone wants to heal for some reason
spice spire
Good
hollow river
but this tier everyone wants to heal for some reason
Makes pug life easy
muted ivy
maybe cuz they mega buffed R druid?
hollow river
That’s another reason I wanted to go warrior. Tank my own keys.
Or enhance whammy and heal em
visual prairie
perfecto playing sub on pantheon. :<
spice spire
slow marsh
perfecto playing sub on pantheon. :<
he has 4p and is more comfy on sub so makes sense
gentle gyro
i've a few pulls on hc pantheon and the fight becomes better when you get used to it
muted ivy
much easier than Sin as well, not having to track 2 bleeds on each boss + CT
well, much less attention required to specifics
pearl ingot
how do we sim for guardian? is it hectic add cleave? i am a bittle lost with adapting all those sim types for the new raid
slow marsh
also much less damage but it's whatevs for them i guess
visual prairie
wanted to see necro sin. curious how it would do compared to their big cleavers. can't even see the rogue on meter showing top 12
jade minnow
someone is just ahead, is it even good now?
hollow river
much easier than Sin as well, not having to track 2 bleeds on each boss + CT
What do you even do?
Storm-powder the entire fight???
muted ivy
i haven't actually done Sub on tht fight, but I guess
slow marsh
someone is just ahead, is it even good now?
trolling or they have 4p
hollow river
Sounds really boring
solid mica
Why ppl running shiv conduit on pantheon?
slow marsh
but still trolling to play vigor
hollow river
Sin is super fun on pantheon
limber lion
Pantheon is my favorite fight by far
slow marsh
Why ppl running shiv conduit on pantheon?
they have 4p so they use dusk
limber lion
Why ppl running shiv conduit on pantheon?
Because they're lazy and don't care about minmaxing
limber lion
slow marsh
but some people are uhhhh special and have been using dusk from the getgo
oh the conduit
muted ivy
oh def boring, but if youre progging RWF boring gives you a lot more attention to spare than super fun
slow marsh
lmao
solid mica
Fair
hollow river
Why ppl running shiv conduit on pantheon?
Why wouldn’t you
slow marsh
Why wouldn’t you
play sin on pantheon and tell me how many times you envenom in p3
solid mica
Youre usually trying to cleave the targets evenly why would you want to juice one?
spice spire
000000000
slow marsh
LP is just better
its already fairly close in ST
but in that case they're running dreamweaver so it doesn't matter cuz you take 3 potency anyways
slow marsh
no
hollow river
hollow river
Compared to everyone else’s aoe
solid mica
Almost hit 12k with no tier 
warm drift
hey, how is deathspike performing? tried some keys its rly fun to play. but i cant come to a result myself
gusty adder
Is this perforated veins? lol
slow marsh
what does it say below
slow marsh
where is this
gusty adder
assass faq
gusty adder
ah, ofc. The picture was just what knocked me out
upbeat needle
yea np
slow marsh
gusty adder
I was like - the fuck is this secret meme-tactic/combo with sepsis that wanted me to use sub-conduits :b
slow marsh
do you have 4p
upbeat needle
nah fuu just said fuck it and made the conduit green
muted ivy
it's green tho, so obv for Sin LOL
solid mica
I'm assuming axe from cache has no synergy for us yea?
gusty adder
do you have 4p
naa, was just looking into it - one piece off 🙂
upbeat needle
I'm assuming axe from cache has no synergy for us yea?
axe is cracked
slow marsh
I'm assuming axe from cache has no synergy for us yea?
if by no synergy you mean that it's the best to pull then yes
muted ivy
crit famously has no synergy with Sin 
upbeat needle
axe in M+ is crazyyyyyyyyy
solid mica
Just meant like I assume it doesnt interact with legendarys and talents and such
slow marsh
ofc not
upbeat needle
shit did 350k in one pack
solid mica
I know its fucked already
upbeat needle
I was like omg
solid mica
Yeah its gross
muted ivy
doesn't interact with doomblade or anything like that, but we do crit a bunch so it synergizes in that way
upbeat needle
sucks using double on use and soon as you're able to use cache it changes to fucking sword
or wand
slow marsh
he's used to it from me
slow marsh
but i'll wait since i'm sure others will ask a million times
hollow river
Hidden Blades with Axe !!!!
vestal wren
ah, ofc. The picture was just what knocked me out
oh, ye my mistake
hollow river
Like actually
vestal wren
was a copy/paste issue, thats how it should look
(did send whispyr a update)
slow marsh
I should prolly stop someone is gonna actually think i'm serious
Too many new faces in here lately
hollow nexus
why are most ppl in the logs running CT on anduin?
kinda assumed poison bomb was the go to for us to do dmg on the boss
hollow river
why are most ppl in the logs running CT on anduin?
Because there’s adds and cleave
And damage amp cleave
hollow nexus
hmmm
yea fair, but it feels like tehre is no need for me to run it in almost any group ive joined so far. other people just melt adds during lich king phase
might be good for when you go down
limber lion
why are most ppl in the logs running CT on anduin?
Because Poison Bomb is like +8 dps on single target by default
CT is a massive increase in 2+ targets and Poison Bomb is a very very minor gain in single target
You should always run CT in every encounter with 2+ targets to be honest
With and without tier set.
spice spire
That’s x2 though pal , +16 WHOLE DPS
hollow nexus
hmm okay thanks for the advice
spice spire
/s in case anyone’s unaware
muted ivy
god Sin's last talent tier is so garbage
hollow nexus
always thought the difference between poison bomb and ct was bigger on st
spice spire
It is not
hollow nexus
yup ive heard that now 😛
but poison bomb feels so good when it procs back to back in a shiv window
spice spire
I don’t really feel PB, but different folks, different strokes
hollow nexus
yea its just preference to me
muted ivy
"feels" 
"looks" 
limber lion
You can honestly run CT on every single boss, but it is a bit of a feelsbad talent on single target.
As in it feels bad to press and keep up
hollow escarp
limber lion
wtf
spice spire
Soon
spice spire
limber lion
bruh
hollow river
no socket on helm
-_-
hollow escarp
man, after killing 11 tier bosses week 1 and only looting one piece
also my monk got mythic anduin helm lol
spice spire
Oh from m+
hollow escarp
yeah ofc
spice spire
I was very confused at first
hollow escarp
but I did kill all normal tier bosses last week and lihuvim hc on monk and got nothing
limber lion
I've killed all tier bosses on normal, heroic and lfr and I've gotten 1 piece
poggiewoggie
limber lion
Our Demo is pumping with his 4p
hollow nexus
You can honestly run CT on every single boss, but it is a bit of a feelsbad tale...
yea thats the thing for me
hollow escarp
Our Demo is pumping with his 4p
our affli lock got 3 piece week one, 2 of them on HC 
he was the 2nd affli lock to kill Halondrus
solid mica
Wpuls be cool if PB could charge up based on cp spent and store liek 2 on use charges
vestal wren
<:peepoHappy:723279641233719326>
nicu
vestal wren
yikes
viscid spear
pog
zinc frost
just got 5p
Our lock was first to get 4pc. Is there some sneaky lock bias going on here?
civic trellis
Long time I didnt play assa so I have some questions 😛 All this questions are in a 2t scenario.
- Its okay to refresh rupture on our 2t during vendetta but not during vendetta + shiv right?
- After vendetta is off, its okay to refresh rupture / garrote / Crimson at any time (even during shiv)?
charred wraith
any reason why ppl go subterfuge on dreadlords outside of it sims better?
glass tulip
I feel like you answered your own question
brazen zodiac
XD
spice spire
limber lion
Long time I didnt play assa so I have some questions 😛 All this questions are i...
- Correct, you reapply the bleed on the second target outside of Shiv.
- Yes.
limber lion
any reason why ppl go subterfuge on dreadlords outside of it sims better?
It's just much better than Master Assassin especially with 2p, and if you play Zoldyck it becomes an even better choice.
civic trellis
1. Correct, you reapply the bleed on the second target outside of Shiv.
2. Yes.
Thanks 🙂
limber lion
I gotta say Rygelon is a pretty fun fight as well as Assa
oak sky
Mfdeez
limber lion
Nah
oak sky
Necro?
limber lion
I'll give the secret tech now that I've killed it and my parse is 3k higher than current public r1
oak sky
Lol
civic trellis
Do you run zoldyck for both? lords and rygelon?
spice spire
He’s been converted
limber lion
I just got my 2p from Rygelon as well
civic trellis
(as necro)
limber lion
Venthyr is goner
oak sky
Definitely not zoldyck on rygelon
limber lion
Do you run zoldyck for both? lords and rygelon?
Nah, Dashing for Rygelon
spice spire
AYO
limber lion
Zoldyck for Lords sure if you want
civic trellis
Dashing, uhm okay, not doomblade anymore?
I remember playing doomblade a few months ago
oak sky
I get to do anduin all raid monday idk if we get to lords or not
limber lion
Dashing, uhm okay, not doomblade anymore?
Just sim both and see which performs better for you
Dashing is better for me
oak sky
Operation saving private pushnoir
vestal wren
tbh i already got this one traded from our tank, its not even that bad on subtety
oak sky
Did echo do more splits yesterday
wispy chasm
Will we ever craft unity on head once we have all 5 tier pieces?
limber lion
or doomblade
Just sim it
rotund oak
Just sim it
U need to open ur twitch client and activate ur stream
limber lion
Necro dashing? >=O
If it sims better for you
limber lion
U need to open ur twitch client and activate ur stream
Game already freezing during raid, no can do :'(
drowsy parcel
hello and welcome to kevin gang
winged basin
We don’t have double leggo 4 pc sims yet do we?
Curious, cause having a convo about sub vs sin rn and wanted to have a lookie look at some numbers
balmy condor
all in the spreadsheet
winged basin
Thanks bb
obtuse robin
is cev full necro now until 2 leggo 
strange python
Curious, cause having a convo about sub vs sin rn and wanted to have a lookie lo...
tell them no one wants to play sub, they just have to cause of the xpack systems
balmy condor
winged basin
Ooh necro is making a huge comeback? This makes me genuinely happy
strange python
I@ fucked then that shits 40 lol
split cape
balmy condor
axe
solid mica
Venth assa just feels so good
What feels good about 20 stack flags 
strange python
20 stacks? Yikes
solid mica
Always feels lackluster vs sub flags
limber lion
Mythic Guardian down 
oak sky
serene shell
playing assa on pantheon feels like good old feral 
limber lion
Yeh, Pantheon is bis
strange python
I’d say I prob average like 25-27 stacks every flag
zinc frost
Mythic Guardian down <:EZ:653881481097248798>
gz king
echo geyser
!guide
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limber lion
<@!165215952479322112> is deeper only with 4p btw? mid raid, just got 2p
Always
limber lion
thoughts on zold vs doom for lords of dread
I would play Zoldyck
glass tulip
Zoldyck them down ramfam
spice spire
<:Sinscheme:540181921913896971>
Fellow necrolord enjoyers getting repaid for their faith
solid mica
cache trinket is so op in aoe
Careful, we dont want any "adjustments" to that badboi
spice spire
I relish in the success of the homies, it makes up for the emptiness of my loot failures 
spice spire
Delete the vod
solid mica
I relish in the success of the homies, it makes up for the emptiness of my loot ...
Pvpin?
spice spire
I’m debating it.
I can’t complain too hard, 278 dagger week one is nice
glass tulip
I got gloves from pvp so now I'm hardstuck at heroic ilvl
solid mica
spice spire
<@!141252922649477120> not playing outlaw for lords of dread?
That’s because ramfam is a lad
oak sky
well respected young man
echo geyser
idk tier seems more value on sin vs outlaw
limber lion
Hell yeah
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eePRFgc78Mc7j57zyQACmD
2p acquired, still doing 1.2k less than in SoD
oak sky
what the you found heroic chest
limber lion
Yuup, Rygelon came in clutch
oak sky
best piece
balmy condor
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eePRFgc78Mc7j57zyQACmD
2p acquired, still...
2p acquired, still simming less than sub rogues with no 2p
mortal pike
How much did you gain from the 2 set cev?
limber lion
How much did you gain from the 2 set cev?
Around 600 dps
mortal pike
I needa sim my self in assa now that ive got 2 set. For outlaw is was 220 dps rofl
bleak sky
2p acquired, still simming less than sub rogues with no 2p
REAL AND TRUE
viscid spear
Lords of Dread as Sub 
bleak sky
Ask them about their 2-4 target cleave though
listen could you stop hurting me? thanks
vestal wren
Lords of Dread as Sub <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
just need the 4p 
vestal wren
we are on anduin normal, and 0 tier so far, i don't hold my breath for tier
jovial spear
Will 4pc assa Beat 4pc sub on ST?
solid mica
I wemt from 0-3 last night so i believe
vestal wren
Will 4pc assa Beat 4pc sub on ST?
no, but it will get closer
shy dust
Ask them about their 2-4 target cleave though
Just wait on that sub 4 piece
And see who will be laughing on 4t
spice spire
And see who will be laughing on 4t
Don’t hurt me mister artist formerly known as uwulane
Not like this
echo geyser
any non biased opinions where sin will actually be better than sub/outlaw ?
maybe i should go dagger lootspec
strange python
i just enjoy playing it more than sub
limber lion
<:beare:587982296062361622> any non biased opinions where sin will actually be b...
Pantheon, Dausegne probably, Guardian, maybe Rygelon, Lords of Dread
bleak sky
<:beare:587982296062361622> any non biased opinions where sin will actually be b...
pantheon is probably a pantheon fight after 4p even
dasaugne though?
limber lion
Sub is def better for Anduin, Artificer, Skolex, Halondrus
limber lion
dasaugne though?
Sausage is pretty much a 2T fight the entire way through
But Sub definitely might have more prio damage for the add if that's what your guild needs
limber lion
with 2p u just perma necro
Nah, with 4p you perma-necro until you get double lego
then you play NF and NL
2p doesn't change much, you still play Necro/Venth
cold rampart
2p acquired, still simming less than sub rogues with no 2p
that is a tilter tbh
literally sub is brain dead spec so ez to play and high dps so annoying man
hollow river
<:beare:587982296062361622> any non biased opinions where sin will actually be b...
Pantheon and maybe lords of dread
hollow river
Pantheon, Dausegne probably, Guardian, maybe Rygelon, Lords of Dread
Dausegne and Rygelon just because of adds?
balmy condor
literally sub is brain dead spec so ez to play and high dps so annoying man
if you say sub is braindead then I don't wanna know what you think about sin
limber lion
Dausegne and Rygelon just because of adds?
Yes, you get 100% uptime on Kevin on Rygelon
very poggers
but the adds are never close enough for sub funnel
cold rampart
if you say sub is braindead then I don't wanna know what you think about sin <:K...
sin is for chads
balmy condor
yeah but sin is even easier
kindred rapids
I like sin because I never have to think about my rotation
Just go full autopilot and still parse 99s
cold rampart
yeah but sin is even easier
how
you basically need to maintain dots
sub is pressing two buttons
limber lion
It's funny because Sin is definitely the easier spec in 1 target
but the more targets you have, the easier Sub becomes and the harder Sin becomes
kindred rapids
if you consistently have 5+ targets sub is easy
but in reality the number of targets is constantly changing
limber lion
But difficulty is subjective, some people think that maintaining dots is super hard and some people think it's the easiest thing in the world
Honestly who cares
kindred rapids
Like I'm sure I could get about as good at sub with time, it just feels like it requires a lot more effort for the same result.
balmy condor
how
sub has to maintain slice and rupture, sin has to maintain rupture and garrote
sub hits symbols on cooldown
sin hits shiv on cooldown
sub has to change generators depending on dance/no dance
sin hit mut
sub has to hold cds to line up with symbols
sin has no cds
sub has kyrian cp and an auto passive to pay attention to
sin
sub has to pay attention to perforated veins
sin
subtle tundra
should i try to pug rygelon normal??
i want that chance for tier
and next time i raid is monday :((
my guild wants to kill it hc first
limber lion
should i try to pug rygelon normal??
Yes, Rygelon is ez mode probably idk
subtle tundra
(i protested, since i want 2pc for m+)
limber lion
We two-shot without anyone knowing any mechanic
lmao
Surely it's doable with a pug that knows what to do
subtle tundra
its fun on hc
limber lion
Yeh really good fight for Necro Assa
subtle tundra
man i want tier set :///////
subtle tundra
it does dmg
limber lion
:^)
subtle tundra
i guess ill just do the dungeons i havent done and be over with m+ this week
except for alts lol, gotta do 4x on each
echo geyser
do u guys play marileth or still heirmir in keys
figure i should get used to playing sin, what better way than m+
pallid bough
Yeh really good fight for Necro Assa
Rygelon is? Really?
marble hemlock
lots of extra CP 
limber lion
Rygelon is? Really?
You literally have 2+ targets 100% of the time with constant add waves coming in all the time.
slender berry
do you build up your dots before pressing vendetta on malganis
limber lion
You SBS the boss and the spark thingy and then keep sending SBS on the add-waves that spawn
slender berry
or just yolo on pull?
pallid bough
You literally have 2+ targets 100% of the time with constant add waves coming in...
Oh
limber lion
or just yolo on pull?
Just do your normal single target rotation on him using Garrote on the second target when it comes off cooldown and Rupture after Shiv
limber lion
Is it just padding
wut
limber lion
how is getting 100% uptime on Kevin and funneling combo points on boss padding
pallid bough
I am fried
limber lion
Yeh it's cool dw
bleak sky
wps for sure
rotund oak
drinking beer,simming my stuff and watching ramstream
final necro vs venthyr comparisons
its ridiculous how many multipliers necro gets
but ye venthyr is stronger for me
and the most freaky is that doomblade is stronger than obedience
venthyr doomblade
subtle tundra
@limber lion did you play vigor,ds, or mfd or rygelon?
limber lion
<@!165215952479322112> did you play vigor,ds, or mfd or rygelon?
DS on Necro everytime
subtle tundra
i tried mfd for the resets but it was honestly overwhelming
limber lion
Yeh for sure
but DS is really good as Necro because you can get 5-6 CP for a single bonespike
it's nuts
subtle tundra
boss seems really fun and once everyone knows what to do it all seems so smooth, i like it
unlike lords where everything was chaos
limber lion
Yeah Lords is just all about surviving
and dodging green puddles that are hard to see
subtle tundra
we have lowish dps though
our healers got so so many tier pieces
like
illegally many
tank has 4p...
viral aurora
can someone explain to me how this cache trinket works
viral aurora
https://www.wowhead.com/item=188265/cache-of-acquired-treasures?bonus=6805#comme...
ty
craggy nimbus
Anyone that knows if you still get loot from worldbosses even if you haven't unlocked it so you got the weekly quest for the kill - the one with anima reward, 500 or so
strange python
Really tired of arguing with our warrior every tier that he should not be refusing to trade phial
"but it's bis until this other random trinket!"
pure moth
Just dont run with the warrior.
strange python
He's the first to volunteer when I ask for PF runs
pure moth
might have to start sending individual messages for who you want in group.
limber lion
showing up to a normal pug is fun
I really, really want the Sigil trinket
someone pls bless me so I get it from the m+ cache 
slow marsh
i have it but not using it
pure moth
its been quite nice
spice spire
the m+ cache?
slow marsh
i'm saving it in the backpack in case it jumps up after 4p
limber lion
i'm saving it in the backpack in case it jumps up after 4p
It definitely will
Also keep in mind that Skolex for one is a 6 minute fight
This is a normal Sigil on 6 minutes
A heroic one would be nuts
It's a heavy dps check fight with our current gear, Sigil would be soooo good
slow marsh
Yeah esp if you hero at start
limber lion
Yeh'
solid mica
what soulbind for lords of dread?
limber lion
Heirmir
bleak spoke
Do you play zoldycks
limber lion
That or whichever is the best 2t legendary for you
lavish swallow
This might be a noob question but what is the interactions between MA and bleeds/poisons? If I re after I don't up with shadowmeld/vanish does it have a 100% until I leave stealth or how would that work?
bleak spoke
That or whichever is the best 2t legendary for you
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wb6fGiFXrHoQJ5Q9hpm7Tp still duskwalker's 
bleak spoke
is there ever any uptime problems on lords of dread, i feel like blasting normal told me absolutely nothing about the fight
uhh, yeah 
limber lion
Yeh we just run Dusk everywhere
limber lion
is there ever any uptime problems on lords of dread, i feel like blasting normal...
Nah
it's the same fight just a bit more hectic
bleak spoke
what i'm afraid of with duskwalkers is like the subtlety problem kinda where like when you lose uptime you kinda get really mad
drifting cloud
does heirmir become better on 2t? because on patchwerk its simming less for me
oak sky
heirmir been simming better for me in multi target
limber lion
Yeh
bleak spoke
like if i get the debuff and have to pass it during vendetta
limber lion
It's better in AoE, except if you get add waves
bleak spoke
i feel like i'm probably getting owned
oak sky
marileth is really good with resets so like add fights and m+
limber lion
resets just too op
oak sky
i found pantheon the same way
bleak spoke
basically use sbs as like
a on the global mfd?
how many seconds of rupture do you need to have it up for it to be worth
nowadays
oak sky
like 15 i think
can do a low cp rupture
for shorter
if the add insta dies you definitely wouldn't rupture it tho
only if its up for a while
oak sky
if its living for like 10s you could probably throw a rupture on it
should be pretty easy to figure out how long it takes to kill it for your raid a couple pulls in
bleak spoke
if it lives a lil while i guess i'll like sbs -> rupture and call it a day
if it lives like idk 15s probably garrote it even or something
cleaving on sin is always interesting to think about 
lunar otter
Should we just all go necro , how bad is sub on necro for keys tho :(
versed mica
Necro is awful for sub in general
limber lion
it should insta die right
The add on Lords?
It stays up for quite a bit of time to be honest
You can slam all 4 dots on it
Gar, Rup, SBS, CT
alpine latch
ugh, it's so weird vanishing and garroting in raid
limber lion
You'll get used to it sooner than later
alpine latch
yeah
Feels like I'm just farming PF and interrupting those damn slimes
lol
My guild is doing this tier completely ass backwards and it's frustrating the hell out of me
solid mica
we axe boiz all the time with cache on necro?
balmy condor
yes
solid mica
ty sir
bleak spoke
The add on Lords?
sounds good
alpine latch
how
People think we should skip normal altogether "because we can kill it on Heroic". Meanwhile, we're only 1/11H and we only even killed a single tier boss because we added a 3rd night last week (on normal)
People who chronically underperform's ego has dictated our progress so far
And it's been a massive shit show
echo geyser
is the 2p tier snapshotting all ur bleeds/poisons or can u apply new ones after pressing shiv and still get the benefit? @limber lion
slow marsh
4p snapshots
you can apply new ones in shiv and it's fine since it's a debuff on the enemies at the time of hitting shiv
@echo geyser
echo geyser
is it an aura around shiv target or do they have a debuff, so if u pull new mobs nearby they wont have it?
the debuff
slow marsh
its a debuff at the time of application, not an aura unfortunately
echo geyser
i see, ty
slow marsh
npnp
slow marsh
wym dread lords is actual perfect as sin
civic trellis
I mean there is a lot of shit going on
slow marsh
It's just straight-forward 2t cleave with a 3rd target occasionally
solid mica
w
lofty pivot
Hey all, so I want to be top dps all the time in mythic + but I am having troubles getting 8k dps, I htink I need to swap my legendary and covenant is the guide there good for saying what to get?
slow marsh
if that makes sense
slow marsh
there's a lot of "things" going on but none of them really matter
stay out of purple and if you get green go give it to ranged and step back to boss
untold nest
But when there is like 10 melees is not
Bench your melees. Easy solution 🙂
alpine latch
How's Sin doing in raid for you guys?
I'm still topping my guild damage, but that's not saying much 😕
limber lion
It's great, I love it
hollow escarp
a bit behind on spider boss, but it's fine
alpine latch
Good, glad to hear it's competitive
I'm hoping for 2pc tonight
We're doing Lithium/Halo and then working normal Anduin (I hope we have time to actually work on him)
limber lion
Took me 17 tier bosses to get 2pc
limber lion
Maybe you'll be more lucky
alpine latch
I took my alt rogue today on a pugging marathon and got us a tier-only lockout
After spending 4 days convincing people we aren't good enough to skip normal and tier sets are more important than anything
midnight trellis
Any peeps that play assa and sub? What do you put on your symbols/dance binds? (Assuming blades=vendetta)
midnight trellis
Hmm I see
hollow escarp
my G is Shiv on sub/outlaw and Ambush on assa
limber lion
midnight trellis
Just have 2 empty buttons where I usually put cd’s 
Do you ever want to muti instead of ambush out of stealth?
hollow escarp
limber lion
Do you ever want to muti instead of ambush out of stealth?
As a Venthyr you'd want to Mutilate instead of Ambush
Venthyr lads are greedy for those CP's
midnight trellis
Oh ok I see, good point indeed ty
limber lion
Otherwise always slam the Ambush
alpine latch
my G is Shiv on sub/outlaw and Ambush on assa
Hah .. g and t are my defensives on all of my characters
hollow escarp
kinda excited to play duskwalker
hollow escarp
hollow escarp
I played mostly assa 2p this week, felt really nice
and sub on anduin
also given how many adds are up on anduin burn phase, assa funnel is good enough
gotta be unlucky to not fill combo points bar in one fok
limber lion
Ya
civic trellis
not sure if sbs resetting in dread lords is a bug or intented
Iirc happened something similar with generals/denathrius
hollow escarp
different entity
you also probably become friendly with the boss
and unfriendly with your team
balmy condor
Can't wait for 4p in 2 months
6 weeks till catchup 
strange python
crimson tempest on pantheon?
balmy condor
yes
spice spire
I took my alt rogue today on a pugging marathon and got us a tier-only lockout
did this on my warrior alt 
dull osprey
I just got the cache of acquired treasures. I'm assuming I want to pop it on the haste buff right? or do I just pop in burst and hope for the best?
balmy condor
all the buffs last until the next usage
balmy condor
idk which that is
dull osprey
wand
dull osprey
They must have changed that cache
the axe buff lasted 25s
OH SHIT! I just saw how much bleed damge the axe does, even inside the 25s window
mortal pike
yea its really good
balmy condor
I wish I had one
dull osprey
didn't realize the damage scaled up. It was ~23k bleed
I got it from the heroic weekly
Thing is dope
mortal pike
Have the sims been updated to only use bleed yet? Last I checked it just slammed it
dull osprey
Does that axe apply to sub as well? just always slam axe
gusty mirage
Have the sims been updated to only use bleed yet? Last I checked it just slammed...
yes
mortal pike
ty C:
mortal pike
what about blade rush 
gusty mirage
should do it, crits apply the bleed
limber lion
<@!165215952479322112> couldnt quite catch you Dx
Hah, just had to kill it for a chance at Sigil. That group didn't even have a monk in it and everyone was doing under 10k dps
Didn't get sigil either :'(
I just want a sigil lalalalaa
heady rain
for cache of acquired treasures trinket whats the best wep for assa? haste?
limber lion
Axe
balmy condor
yes he said that thanks
limber lion
oh
limber lion
no
limber lion
2222223
glass tulip
oh thats what I meant
