assassination

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

WHAT IN DE NAME OF DE LOA?

[spice spire]

I still have to make tormented king

[limber lion]

Any +0 scorer's in the chat?

literally 0 score

[spice spire]

Wait yes actually had a real bad one

[gusty mirage]

Yeah that was my 16 streets lmao

I was lowest dps in my 16 streets at 9.9k overall

And it took us an hour and 6 minutes

[limber lion]

But to be fair it's an overtuned dungeon

[gusty mirage]

I’m not touching taz until May

[limber lion]

but yeah I'm never doing a single key again with pugs

[gusty mirage]

Don’t care

[limber lion]

I'm over it

[gusty mirage]

2 nerfs and it still sucked ass

And the ones today aren’t going to magically save 10 minutes

That 15, we were pulling menagerie with 3 minutes left lmao

[spice spire]

I have yet to step foot into upper taz

[gusty mirage]

It’s better than streets

[spice spire]

Do you pull menagerie second to last, oxi?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s not AWFUL

[gusty mirage]

Idk man I gotta go through MDT and figure out a route

[spice spire]

Legit mailroom + menagerie are horrendous

Rest kinda chill

[gusty mirage]

Because every route I’ve done has been horrendous

[spice spire]

Trash in there gonna suck

I didn’t mind the one we did

[gusty mirage]

Idk if there’s a good route tbh

All the trash is fucking terrible

[spice spire]

Yeah I don’t either

It’s so fucking clumped

That like

One kick will ruin your day

[timid cloud]

The commander needs to get gutted again.

[gusty mirage]

We love circle abilities that chunk you for 70% of your health with feint on a 15 tyran

It’s good stuff

[timid cloud]

The trash in there just slams for no reason.

[polar cape]

I liked the trash railling the tank on a tyra weeks tougb <.>

[timid cloud]

Yeah. I liked people eating 5 stacks of the beam at the start then flopping.

[gusty mirage]

Like idk how a tank lives a double pull without all CDs this week

Like bruh

The trash is the overtuned part

[timid cloud]

All CD’s & lust throughput.

LOL

[gusty mirage]

The bosses didn’t feel necessarily unfair

Tbh

But the trash fucks

[timid cloud]

The bosses in streets are fine.

Mailroom is whatever.

At least It isn’t HM

[violet hemlock]

the bosses suck for uptime

fuck em

[gusty mirage]

Also why can’t we evasion the mailroom boss’s whirlwind?

[clever kindle]

Im not gonna lie

[gusty mirage]

It’s physical damage

[clever kindle]

I have not even entered that dungeon once

this whole expac

[subtle tundra]

meh, the 3 boss wing is really easy now

[gusty mirage]

I feel like upper taz will be fine on fort weeks

But streets is a no go

[subtle tundra]

but i guess i dont pug

[gusty mirage]

That’s a 15 weekly no leaver

[timid cloud]

Weekly no leaver don’t be a dick please don’t yell at me I’ll cry kinda key.

[subtle tundra]

streets should be easy af now too with all the mob nerfs

[bleak sky]

gambit does seem very ok to run

[spice spire]

Bro you get kicked once in the town plaza, you’re pulling the room

[timid cloud]

Getting beat down in the mf STREETS

[alpine radish]

Gambit timer is rough i dunno 😂 one wipe = deplete dunno if its just me

[viscid spear]

CREDIT CARD

[timid cloud]

Can’t wait to spend 1m on a leggo.

[muted ivy]

the timer does feel a little short, but if they just add like 5 more minutes i feel like it should be fine

[bleak sky]

I don't get it

[timid cloud]

[bleak sky]

my man what

gambit's timer is fine

[alpine radish]

In comparison to other dungeons it isnt

You can get away with a wipe in others you cant in gambit

[timid cloud]

Yeah. Give that shit the Shrine of the Storms treatment.

[alpine radish]

Streets you can wipe

[timid cloud]

Make it a 50 minute timer tyvm

[muted ivy]

it is 1st week so idk, but they could add some time

[timid cloud]

DOS too.

[bleak sky]

we wiped 2x on soleah on a pug 2 days ago

[timid cloud]

These % buffs are REDONK

[bleak sky]

almost timed it still

[timid cloud]

I don’t believe this will account for tier & double leggos.

[bleak sky]

the problem is the graveyard not being on soleah's room

[alpine radish]

Ofc

[viscid spear]

Son, i am disappoint

[alpine radish]

Patch launch it feels rough

[bleak sky]

the walk from murlocs to soleah is shit

[alpine radish]

Will be fine

Storming and bursting will be fun there this week

The perfect storm out there 😂 😂 😂

[spice spire]

I love being knocked up nonstop

[alpine radish]

https://tenor.com/view/hurricane-irma-windy-strong-winds-hurricanes-hurricane-season-gif-9719909

Gambit this week

[muted ivy]

knocked up you say?

[alpine radish]

Mgggggrrrllllll spammed in chat

[timid cloud]

In Stormheim.

Fort fish sticks.

I will pass away now.

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’s pretty unforgiving

[alpine radish]

Dont find the place difficult

[gusty mirage]

But gambit is so much less miserable than streets which is impressive considering the bosses suck ass

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

Rune boss & trash blows.

[alpine radish]

Problem is the fact in pugs noone knows how to do anything

[gusty mirage]

The MURLOCS RUN BRO

WHY

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

[alpine radish]

Rune boss is a joke now but ppl still fuck it up

[timid cloud]

No amount of % slow does it.

[gusty mirage]

Then the fucking healing totems

[alpine radish]

You literally have time to trial and error the runes without console

[timid cloud]

I only have so many stuns.

[alpine radish]

Its the fact its so easy to chain pull the totema will be a problen

[muted ivy]

just drag the murlocs back into the boss hallway

[alpine radish]

Isnt there one shellboi each group?

[muted ivy]

LoS them right inside the doorway

[alpine radish]

Should be fairly easy to manage but depends on the runners pulling

Yeah noticed alot just using woi and running to entrance and pulling them in there

Makes sense

[timid cloud]

Some of them don’t have a fish stick guy.

[gusty mirage]

and if another pug tank

links me the dratnos route

I'm going to fucking scream

[timid cloud]

LOL

[slow marsh]

bro drat knows everything he's never wrong

[timid cloud]

Yeah. His tier lists are SO good.

[slow marsh]

so are his clickbaits

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

The tettles special.

If we aren’t doing a 2/2/6, 2/3/9, 2/4/12 raid group, we simply cannot clear it properly.

We NEED to Dratnos route every key.

[bleak sky]

so it's tettles that coined this shit ratio?

[clever kindle]

I think its more from previous breakpoints for bosses

[timid cloud]

No. That’s been a ratio since the beginning of time it feels like.

[clever kindle]

like when scaling would get easier

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

[bleak sky]

oh ok

[timid cloud]

But it’s not an amazing metric to go by anymore.

[clever kindle]

Right the mechanics on bosses vary enough that you cant use a template for scaling

[timid cloud]

Just a lot of pugs believe that is still the best metric you must live by.

[slow marsh]

I'm still a fan of the -1 comps

[clever kindle]

I guess it gives pugs a bit of structure to go off of rather then just adding infinite people until your full capped and your ratios are all over the place or dps is forced to go heals

ill keep my heroic runs for drunk weekend raids with the guild soon lol

[viscid spear]

me waiting for servers when I know I'ma just be disappointed

[spice spire]

Rogue loot doesn’t matter

Better see some good mage loot

[viscid spear]

I didn't specify

[spice spire]

Did you only do 3 keys on your rogue though?

Unfortunate

[viscid spear]

I was looking for keys but was drifting off

I think I need to start doing cocaine

[spice spire]

Uhhhhh

[gusty mirage]

servers are up

gl on vaults friends

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage phial today

I feel it

Or tier

Is my cop out

[viscid spear]

I'll grind this week, for sures

[spice spire]

Get sleep tho papi

[gusty mirage]

or tier?

so I can get 1 pc?

LOL

[spice spire]

Yessir

[gusty mirage]

I have 9 boxes

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

if I don't get one upgrade

I'm uninstalling

[solid venture]

pvp box

[slow marsh]

trash vault rip

[echo geyser]

show vault

[slow marsh]

already rage logged

[fading wigeon]

ok boys, i need opinion help here, not sim advice. do i take the tier here ?

[slow marsh]

if hunter gets tier or weapon new main

[trim zinc]

hype

[gusty mirage]

yes

only reason to NOT take tier

is if you get a weapon or like a max ilvl phial

[fading wigeon]

thanks OXI

lets go boyssss!!!

actuallky dont want to spam in here

lol

[slow marsh]

@echo geyser

[spice spire]

[timid cloud]

https://i.gyazo.com/e3809981320b78010848a956c8bc926c.png

TIER

[slow marsh]

can i have yours

[timid cloud]

But the homies got max phial & a 278 tier helm from M+

):

[copper sundial]

I hate this channel on vault day

[spice spire]

Relish the homie’s success

[brazen zodiac]

yo quake

am i takin the 278 tier piece

give it to me straight

[kindred rapids]

I quit

[restive falcon]

i got 278 tier gloves from vault

lets go

[obtuse robin]

if u dont we are over

[brazen zodiac]

dude

im stressing

[obtuse robin]

is that tier piece feet?

or the graps

[spice spire]

Literally always unless phial

[echo geyser]

278 mythic tier gloves

[spice spire]

Or other hyper specific piece

[obtuse robin]

so fucking lucky

[spice spire]

Mythic tier early >>>>>>>

[brazen zodiac]

shit the ring has a socket too

pog

[spice spire]

Tier sister - get that 2p quick

[brazen zodiac]

if only it wasnt mastery pepehands

[somber hill]

Has anyone used cache of acquired treasures? it seems very wonky to use

I have that and first sigil rn

[scenic kelp]

someone know how it works with the set pieces from 9+10 boss with the item level? will we get it on 285 or will it be on 278 downgraded?

from mythic+ vault

[strange python]

Oh Lord. Is double on use actually our bis?

[spice spire]

This should answer

He had a 268 helm piece

So your m+ will be a 278 from m+

[amber fossil]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[lone junco]

I got a big phial last night. So I'll be happy with most anything from vault.

[alpine radish]

Thats pain right there

[slow marsh]

its fine i took chest for now and i can turn it into tier later ig

[alpine radish]

Is that in 5 weeks or something

[slow marsh]

yes

but trying to look on the bright side xD

[gusty mirage]

someone explain to me

why our tier set is haste/mastery on gloves

please

[amber fossil]

Is 252 The First Sigil's vers really as good as the sim says? +115 over 246 phial/239 sal fus amp

[gusty mirage]

like.... why

[gusty mirage]

yes its a good trinket

only shitty part is its a 5min cd

[alpine radish]

For dem m+ stats

[gusty mirage]

for which spec though?

[alpine radish]

😂

Druid

[gusty mirage]

bro every tier

my early vaults

are always haste/mastery

should I just reroll rdruid?

[alpine radish]

Bis rdudu

Oxidudu inc

[limber lion]

imagine giving a shit about stats

[alpine radish]

Ilvl ftw

[spice spire]

Vault check mister ceverion

Oh wait

[limber lion]

14 more hours

[gusty mirage]

I don't need to imagine it

I don't have another piece

so the stats matter

[limber lion]

but do they?

[gusty mirage]

252 haste/mastery is a downgrade over my 252 crit/vers

[limber lion]

Oh right that's what you mean

right

fo sho fo sho

[gusty mirage]

because apparently 15 boss kills give you 0 tier

[upbeat needle]

#NoTierGang

[limber lion]

but you'll end up using the tier gloves for the rest of the expansion once you get the other pieces

[gusty mirage]

indeed

[limber lion]

So it's kinda whatever

[alpine radish]

Its okay catalyst is in 6 weeks

😂 😂 😂 😂

[limber lion]

We had to specifically tell people to equip the tier items at least once

[gusty mirage]

I already have m+ gloves sitting in the bags

[limber lion]

because most of the tier items are a bit yikes on stat-wise

[gusty mirage]

yeah

I mean I have to take these gloves and wear them at least once

but its normal

so I wouldn't even be able to trade the heroic ones if they drop

[amber fossil]

yikes, just noticed that. Is there any info yet on when to use it? First Vend or wait for lust?

[misty holly]

Looks like Ooze Gang is back!

[timid cloud]

First heroic tier, it's gloves.

I will pass away.

[somber hill]

so this is telling me Earthbreaker over first sigil 265? lmfao what?

[spice spire]

It got fixed in sims last night

It’s pretty good

[somber hill]

oh word?

[obtuse robin]

my only choice

[gusty mirage]

just pop it during your first vendetta and then forget about it for 5min

[gusty mirage]

BRO YOU'RE ZOOMING

WDYM

YUGE 36 speed

[nova zenith]

Is Ooze affected by the Well-Placed Steel conduit?

[brazen zodiac]

lmao

[obtuse robin]

[amber fossil]

ty oxi

[obtuse robin]

it feels wierd being sad at a 200 dps increase

[somber hill]

cursed ass vault jesus

[spice spire]

[somber hill]

brb taking attendant tokens

[obtuse robin]

yo dont post thats cursed might rub off on others

[misty holly]

I doubt it.

[somber hill]

also i have weapon cache trinket has anyone used it it feels super clunky, and like when its off cd takes like extra time for it to be activateable

[strange silo]

Hey i know we wanna get duskwalker on ring but wouldnt chest be better if by luck we already got 4pc without chest set piece? or is it just because rygelon loot on mythic is 285 so overall bigger ilvl gain?

[echo geyser]

bro

3 tier pieces?

[hollow river]

ya

[echo geyser]

[hollow river]

and 278 sack lol

[echo geyser]

sack poopy

[hollow river]

i guess we take the 275 legs

[echo geyser]

for sure

[hollow river]

and i read they fixed the earthbreakers trinket

i wonder if 252 is better than amp or phial

[oak sky]

are discord pictures bugged for everyone?

[hollow river]

yes

[oak sky]

Sadge

[hollow river]

i can see some other people's after a while

but i can't see my own

[oak sky]

im doing online class so i can watch world first lol

skipping the in person

[hollow river]

lol

nice

[oak sky]

rygelon looks so interesting

[hollow river]

yeah

[oak sky]

well i got a weapon

and 252 hands

which is the slot i already have

guessing i take wep

[alpine latch]

I'll find out what I got in like 4 hours 😦

One of my guildies got heroic helm

[rotund oak]

sick,gz for legs

[oak sky]

already have heroic hands

[rotund oak]

GIGAdagger

poggers

[hollow river]

you def take wep

[echo geyser]

sin needs dagger

[hollow river]

hell yeah

[oak sky]

yerp

[hollow river]

here come the parses

[echo geyser]

soleah idk how good it is now

[oak sky]

simming to double check nothing else is giga

soleahs

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

for example

[spice spire]

99.999999% sure you’re taking dagger buddy

[oak sky]

a weapon is pretty good though

[spice spire]

Good shit nonetheless

That’s like

[oak sky]

i still lose to all the bozos with 2p

[spice spire]

A 5% upgrade for me

[rotund oak]

278 dagger haste vers

[spice spire]

True

[rotund oak]

is autolock

[spice spire]

Fucking bozos

[muted ivy]

just get the 2pc

[rotund oak]

and u buy us an icecream coz we cheer for u

[spice spire]

Buddy that’s not going to fix his healing parse

[oak sky]

kinda seems like tier has a decently high droprate

[alpine latch]

We get more ST power from 4pc, right?

[spice spire]

Unless 2 piece affects leeching

[oak sky]

in vault anyway

[spice spire]

We get a bit from both

[oak sky]

we get a lot of st from both yeah

its more like we get aoe from 2p

[spice spire]

Exact numbers in spreadsheet

[muted ivy]

more dmg = more leech

[spice spire]

Yessssssir

[alpine latch]

Aw shit, I didn't check the spreadsheet

[oak sky]

and no aoe from 4p except we can press it in aoe

[spice spire]

And if it affects the potency you’re chuckling

[alpine latch]

I bought a 262 helm and Anduin's helm is my lowest ST upgrade from Normal at 551 DPS, lol

[spice spire]

Wtf

[alpine latch]

what?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mCG8bPsr5FTHE4tufUHxxp

That's my normal droptimizer I ran last week

[muted ivy]

RIP Winds of Winter shield, the only thing that was fun about shards

[spice spire]

Oh you have the 1p already

[alpine latch]

yeah

I got gloves

from normal

[plain jetty]

Hey guys. Is it worth it to try and play assassination on fights where sins damage profile is better than sub’s if I only have 6% haste with my current gear or should I just play outlaw or sub?

[alpine latch]

Sorry, I thought that was obvious

lol

[spice spire]

I thought you meant in normal in general lmao

[oak sky]

2% gain on the wep quake

[spice spire]

Play whatever does best. Haste numbers don’t matter.
They feel better, but whatever performs better will be best

That’s a cop out answer I know but it’s honest

Oh wait you have double daggies don’t you?

[oak sky]

outlaw loves haste too btw

yeah i do

[plain jetty]

I was under the impression outlaw wanted to stack vers/crit because they had haste built in the subclass

[spice spire]

You mean alacrity? We run that too

[plain jetty]

I’ll just have to try both I guess because sub on a few of these bosses ain’t it lol

[spice spire]

You still want haste as outlaw

[spice spire]

Pantheon is 1000000% an assassination fight. It feels right

[plain jetty]

Yeah I was thinking this fight would feel good as assassination. First boss seemed like outlaw would do well. Only thing left is to convince my raid team to let me degen and switch covenants 2-3 times a night

[oak sky]

oh ye can we wormhole to haven yet

[winged basin]

Is shadowstep not supposed to work on Halondrus btw? Is anyone else having that issue?

[plain jetty]

I hope so but I haven’t checked

[spice spire]

First fight doesn’t feel good in anything tbf it falls over

[winged basin]

All 4 of us rogues were unable to use it due to it saying “we are mounted”

[spice spire]

This is a bug currently

[winged basin]

Word

[spice spire]

I’ve seen several others say the same

[muted ivy]

heard there is a war mode quest to get it

[spice spire]

[winged basin]

i just saw the hotfixes posted and didn’t see any mention of it so I was curious

[plain jetty]

Wait I had no problems shadowstepping to halondrus

[oak sky]

and i heard it was straight up getting added this patch

hmmmm

[winged basin]

All 4 of my guilds rogues + me couldn’t do it haha

[zinc frost]

Got an absolutely gross vault, wish me luck in raid for tier bois

[rotund oak]

can confirm,i couldnt step on holandrus as well

[plain jetty]

Now I’m worried

Because I did it on Tuesday and Thursday last week

[winged basin]

It was very unfortunate, cause I don’t like that mechanic LMAO not will I stop dpsing the boss to position properly cause that’s for scrubs

[muted ivy]

one of my guildies said something about it last night i think

[plain jetty]

I really didn’t want to have to learn that mechanic

[spice spire]

Yeah this is new so guess who’s learning

[uneven hamlet]

its a drop from the paragon boxes

no joke

[winged basin]

It’s not a difficult mechanic (atleast it wasn’t on normal) but it’s definitely feels bad when rogues can’t do rogue things in a raid with 9000 knockback mechanics

[rotund oak]

be a proper assa rogue,stand on the left side as of the entrance and pump,stand between an orb and the boss

[alpine latch]

I wonder how much over 17k we're getting this tier once we get optimized gear

[rotund oak]

no idea but assa looks very scary this tier

im srsly fukin hyped

looks like its gonna dominate

[alpine latch]

There's no way in hell I'm using double on use, though

So I'm losing 1% no matter what, lol

[muted ivy]

i would like to say im surprised but am i really?

[cinder grove]

is crimson tempest worth using on prototype hc?

[copper sundial]

Yes

[balmy condor]

tell that to loktark

[spice spire]

OBVIOUSLY NOT INCLUDING MYTHIC

[grizzled orbit]

👀 The vault came through today.

[limber lion]

[viscid spear]

[grizzled orbit]

I only killed Normal Anduin last week too.

[solid venture]

my gm is convinced the first boss isn't overtuned just by watching a vod from lok's guild

[balmy condor]

[solid venture]

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[solid venture]

guess i'm hard sandbagging if they decide to prog mythic tomorrow

[balmy condor]

already did the math

🧮

[viscid spear]

I have my tin can ready for your correspondence.

[timid cloud]

The ABBACUS IS OUT

[viscid spear]

Alert the elders, we must start the fires for the sacred smoke signals

[strange python]

just bought leggo ring

my bank is in pain

[echo geyser]

how much was it

[strange python]

100k (a lot for me)

[echo geyser]

for 291?

[strange python]

yea

[balmy condor]

wait that's not even bad

[strange python]

its not

thats why i bought it

[balmy condor]

I saw 291 necks going for over a million earlier

[oak sky]

its like 200k on my server rn

[strange python]

on illidan

[echo geyser]

in theory mats should only be like 40-60k

[strange python]

262s were literally 100k earlier

soo

i saw this and I was like,,, ill take it

[echo geyser]

what did u craft

[strange python]

not crafting yet, going to craft dusk

[hollow river]

neck are 100-200k on my server

[strange python]

fully embracing sin

[subtle tundra]

im crafting dusk tomorrow, i get 4p 100%

[strange python]

thats what im saying

believe in the dream

second week 4p

[solid venture]

anyone else have 0 tier pieces?

[strange python]

i just got like 5 pieces first week, cause im ungodly lucky for some reason

didn't need more than half of the stuff tho

[solid venture]

i killed 7 on hc , 8 on normal and looted 1 item which i had to trade

real fun

[strange python]

your time will come

dw

luck comes in waves

[balmy condor]

same here, except I looted a lihuvim dagger which is -2% for sub

[hollow river]

do the sims run after the earthbreaker's impact thing?

the puddles

[kindred rapids]

hmm, what slot should I craft zoldyck on

[hollow river]

since it's been fixed

[solid venture]

next tier im gonna have to sacrifice my cat to get better rng

[rotund oak]

james playing assa for lords of dread and he is necro

cant confirm what leggo he is using

anyone can understand?

[balmy condor]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4pchpAJTGs7Fz7UZwM7Zjy

already updated

[hollow river]

?

what is that?

[balmy condor]

trinket comparison?

[solid venture]

i can't see doomblade debuff on the frames

[hollow river]

i don't want trinket comparison

[solid venture]

so maybe he's using zoldyck?

[hollow river]

i mean ty for that info as well

[rotund oak]

its doomblade,reckognized the debuff

[hollow river]

but not what i asked whispyr xD

[balmy condor]

I mean you asked do the sims run

and I linked you a sim with the updated numbers

[hollow river]

no i mean like

the earthbreaker trinket

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's in there

[hollow river]

do the sims get the extra dam from the puddles now

[balmy condor]

yes

[hollow river]

since it was fixed

kk

[balmy condor]

that's why it needed a resim

[hollow river]

i see

idk if i run it

252 sims better than my other trinket

but its double on use

and id have to run after the puddles

[strange silo]

Hey i know we wanna get duskwalker on ring but wouldnt chest be better if by luck we already got 4pc without chest set piece? or is it just because rygelon loot on mythic is 285 so overall bigger ilvl gain?

[hollow river]

lmao

[balmy condor]

the latter

[strange silo]

ok ty

[hollow river]

and now phial magically sims better then eye trinket

_>

for me

[vestal wren]

phial is rly good

[hollow river]

yeah but 252 gland simmed better than my 246 phial

last week

now it's flip flopped again

[peak bobcat]

is this a dagger angle?

[oak sky]

if you need the tier i would go tier

[peak bobcat]

none of them are tier

lol

[oak sky]

oh

wait those are boots

lmao

yeah dude dagger 100

but if you arent sure still you can just sim it all to confirm dagger

[peak bobcat]

the dagger is going to win 100% of the time

[rotund oak]

tangle dagger

is huuuuge

hands down

[oak sky]

i mean ilvl is the biggest thing

any 278 dagger would be really good

[rotund oak]

we need assa rogue streams here

[oak sky]

haste dagger is just a bonus

[rotund oak]

where is cev,need to slap him

[peak bobcat]

jpc playing necro assas rn

[steel ridge]

was

[rotund oak]

yeah,doomblade necro assa

for lords of dread

i didnt like it(the leggo choice)

[oak sky]

most of us will probably be tier set double leggo gamers by then

[limber lion]

dead anduin pov

as in me dead, anduin alive

:')

[oak sky]

[rotund oak]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[balmy condor]

woah mythic anduin? you're cracked!

[oak sky]

BAAAAAAAAAAAAT

[rotund oak]

Looks cozy

all the gank dead in a circle

😅

[limber lion]

yes very poggers

[ripe pine]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
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IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
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[brazen zodiac]

pog.

[vital haven]

is droptimizer bugged or something

[bleak sky]

why would it be?

[limber lion]

okay we finally killed it

holy fuck

tank and healer tier sets POG

[subtle tundra]

we got clean pull on last phase just now pog

we wont get it tonight tho, but with tomorrow's nerfs ez

[spice spire]

THE CLASSIC HOMIE

[subtle tundra]

@limber lion how many people in your kill had 2pc?

just curious

[limber lion]

0

[subtle tundra]

cool

tmr we get 4pc right?

291 duskwalkers poppin

[limber lion]

Yeah for sure

[limber lion]

I would like just one piece to start off with

[quaint sequoia]

If you get tier in a +15 m+ slot from vault, what ilvl is it?

mythic?

[bleak sky]

278 yes

[quaint sequoia]

time to pray to rngesus then

[copper sundial]

Same

Got sigil and cache instead

[balmy condor]

ABAN

[balmy condor]

wait sigil is our bis trinket wtf you mean sad

[copper sundial]

Just the order of it lol

[limber lion]

gibe

:(

CACHE?

[copper sundial]

Ya xymox thingy

[limber lion]

man you're drowning in goodies

[balmy condor]

sigil + cache is like

godlike trinket rng

[limber lion]

Cache is super duper super op

like omega duper op

You'll get r1 by just having the trinket equipped and pressing it on cd

[copper sundial]

I even got a new phial. Guess i blew throgh my trinket rng for the tier

[balmy condor]

this dude

[limber lion]

bruh

[balmy condor]

complaining

about getting 3/4 best trinkets atm

[bleak sky]

[copper sundial]

[bleak sky]

this person got more raid loot in one character than I did in 2

[balmy condor]

and it's the best drops

[subtle tundra]

complains

[bleak sky]

I'll go fork socket

[balmy condor]

y'all still simming 1k below sub?

[bleak sky]

try 2k

[slow marsh]

no i have 50% haste i am sin god mrglrlglglrlg

[balmy condor]

I'm catching up to my sub sim

because I have looted 2 pieces of gear

that are only usable for sin

[bleak sky]

sub is 11169

I'm not close to that on sin nah

[balmy condor]

I'm 10.9 vs 9.6

[bleak sky]

9.6?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[oak sky]

makes sense

[bleak sky]

nice name

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k6pmHDBnPB12kfuxLRhxyB

maybe 9.7

but uh

yeh

[median silo]

Do I even waste a 291 leggo on obedience if I'm not pushing mythic this week. Seems kinda meh

[balmy condor]

can't really do much

[balmy condor]

not unless you got gold burning in your pocket

[limber lion]

Any CT spam enjoyers in the chat?

[balmy condor]

bro wtf

[subtle tundra]

MEEE

[copper sundial]

I too enjoy spamming ct

[subtle tundra]

i DO spam ct in m+ sometimes ;3

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

[glass tulip]

wait cache is good? for me last week a 252 simmed at -450

[whole wadi]

how much haste should i aim for in m+ or what would you recommend simming fightstyle wise to get the best results

[bleak sky]

ardenweald pulls in dos

[limber lion]

You shouldn't look at stats for m+ at all to be honest

[bleak sky]

[limber lion]

But if you must, you sim TOP GEAR with Dungeon Slice

Never sim stat weights

[whole wadi]

i usually just sim 1 boss since thats why im there anyways

[subtle tundra]

im not even top ST usually anymore

in m+

[median silo]

if u have a bad healer and can't replace it I like to run a bit more verse but yeh'

[whole wadi]

thank

[limber lion]

You can sim priority-rotation so it focuses more on prio damage

if that's what you want

[limber lion]

Anduin intermission

[whole wadi]

that would be what im looking for ye

[spice spire]

It got fixed in sims, same with halondrus trinket

[whole wadi]

i got a 278 sack of terrors, was like a 2.2 % upgrade

[limber lion]

CT enjoyers

PB enjoyers

Take your pick

[limber lion]

Poggie

[spice spire]

Sack gaming

[oak sky]

this anduin?

[limber lion]

Yeh

just killed it, very pog

[oak sky]

i went pb in normal because who cares

[tulip kernel]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

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[limber lion]

yeh that's fine in normal

[oak sky]

idk if my guild can do heroic this week

even with nerfs

[subtle tundra]

haha tomorrow is the seasonal check of the dungeons to see what dungeons to farm before raid

[vital haven]

am i crazy or is a 265 dagger not better than 259 mythic sylv

or did i miss something

[limber lion]

just trust the sims

ilvl is probs better on mainhand but not oh

[vital haven]

ok thanks based cev

[fleet anchor]

Cosplaying a Sub Rogue?

[limber lion]

Feels good

Dashing is pretty cracked for CT spamming

You Envenom once then spam CT

[safe barn]

i think i read the 2pc wrong

i thought it would spread the poisons and bleeds

but it "only" increases dmg, right?

[oak sky]

yeah

[hollow river]

got the tazavesh daggie

[limber lion]

Ye, you apply bleeds and then you press Shiv and it increases the damage of those bleeds

poggie

[hollow river]

from dungeon

[violet jackal]

same

[safe barn]

guess i'll still don't dmg in prototype fight then

[limber lion]

with or without 2p?

[safe barn]

when the p3 starts, i can't handle all the stuff going on and get like 5 fps

[safe barn]

both

[limber lion]

ah right rip

[balmy condor]

When are you coming over for some sack gaming

[spice spire]

oh buddy omw my way

[glossy tulip]

Are you guys just picking the sword proc with the acquired trinket? or is the axe useful too. I just got it but I'm not liking how it feels too much

[copper hazel]

axe is the bis pick for that no?

[limber lion]

For aoe yes. Wand for st

It's a mega busted trinket and will 100% get nerfed

[dawn ivy]

wait is it actually busted? thought it was mediocre-decent

[glass tulip]

even with fix 252 still sims at a loss

I wanna go brrr

[dawn ivy]

it sims even for me against a guardian amp

[balmy condor]

it's mediocre single target

but axe is crazy aoe apparently

[dawn ivy]

ooohhh

[civic locust]

What talents do i play for prototype pantheon as venth?

[oak sky]

ep subt ds ct

and go necro

[civic locust]

dont have it leveled

[glossy tulip]

yeah I just popped almost 300k AoE on a single cast

[oak sky]

well if you dont i would go just normal raid setup with ct probably

can always sim and check if other talents sim higher on 2t or 4t

subt might

[echo geyser]

actually i dont have zoldycks crafted for necro sin

prototype is the only fight?

[oak sky]

first boss maybe

and if execute is really giga

[echo geyser]

crit haste pants?

[oak sky]

yep

[glossy tulip]

das god

[echo geyser]

actually i have normal tier pants

[oak sky]

boots then i think

[echo geyser]

the amount of gear i have in my bags + bank

is too much

[muted ridge]

!bos

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[muted ridge]

Anyone knows if you can Evasion the balls on Halondrus ?

[echo geyser]

sounds like a cloak to me

[muted ridge]

yeah, cuz my DH friend apparently had a situation where he Blured it

so asking

[echo geyser]

never tried

blur + 10 magic dr on dh + random shield u prob dont feel it

[muted ridge]

could be

[burnt latch]

Whispyr being called out for saying exsanq is bad in jpc chat cuz some random guy saw a chinese rogue ”blast” with it on ptr is the rtwf content i need

And the guy doesnt even believe the sims just saying this is personal preference no data behind either claim

Content

[bleak sky]

ram you're a hoarder

you need help

[echo geyser]

only 2 items in my bag arent used

gear

[bleak sky]

ditch that speed gear

[echo geyser]

bank is questionable

[bleak sky]

[pearl ingot]

I tryed to listen to my mates and played sub on halondrus hc now I have a „1“ log…back to assa :/

[hollow river]

Same it’s tragic

Too much random gear from new zone lol

The 233s are safe to vendor aren’t they?

[echo geyser]

@oak sky

they were cheaper anyways

[echo geyser]

no thats my speed set

[oak sky]

why would a tier slot cost anythin

g

i bought 262 belt ram i can play sub now

[echo geyser]

[hollow river]

I meant in general

[oak sky]

once i find subs rhythm it should be ezpz

[amber fossil]

man, my luck... got a sigil in the vault and only piece looted in 7 bosses was, you guessed it, a sigil

[oak sky]

L

[hollow river]

Lmao down BAD

[amber fossil]

every single person in raid rolled for it lol

[hollow river]

Loool

It’s bis for basically everyone

[amber fossil]

ya, made someone very happy today

[echo geyser]

@oak sky

wrong stats

too tired

[strange python]

@echo geyser

[hollow river]

[echo geyser]

u got me

[strange python]

first week m+ so important

[echo geyser]

when i heard u only need 2k i completely stopped doing keys

[strange python]

I think they're pretty fun, urh is a very nice power

despite the cancer affixes I've enjoyed this week

[echo geyser]

needed to save my mental for +15 farm this week

would suck to loot 255 with tetiaries or socket

[strange python]

I've got a 255 phial

cursed, now it never drops

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

i dont mind the new affix

just annoying killing miniboss on bosses

@strange python have you been raiding

[strange python]

yeah 7/11h

[oak sky]

POGGA

[strange python]

just the normal amount, chilling at wr500

have you been raiding?

[oak sky]

yer

[strange python]

[oak sky]

same as u pmuch

[strange python]

what is the affix like on assa btw?

the orb part is rly bad I imagine?

but then 2t is good when the miniboss spawns

[slow marsh]

It's fine

[oak sky]

orb part feels pretty bad

i just let others focus usually

[slow marsh]

You cd boss and funnel on adds

Getting anything other than ur is trolling

The mini boss has been spawning right as the orb dies today so it's been pretty nice

[dusky vault]

Is Ur the cdr one?

[viscid spear]

[limber lion]

yes

[frank stag]

Looking for some thoughts and recommendations on choosing between 265 tier gloves or 278 IQD from vault please.
I've ran multiple sims for different combinations, but that can't account for what will or won't simply be replaced no matter what in a matter of a few weeks. Simply for tier gloves, I could get from normal or LFR, but trinkets aren't so easily replaced.

[limber lion]

I'll have you know that IQD is a really, really good trinket and it's likely that you will never replace it

[red plaza]

Just wait until you do raid this week

[limber lion]

But tier is obviously tier and choosing tier will allow your guild to trade tier items to other people in the raid as well

It's the obvious choice for higher ranked guilds who value tier over anything else, just to increase the possibility of trading tier to others

But IQD is a great choice to be honest. If you're not forced to take tier and you're in no rush, in the long run IQD is the better choice

@frank stag

[dusky vault]

Yeah you will likely not see another 278 IQD all expansion, however if your a high ranking guild tier could be very important

[serene wyvern]

guyz, just wondering...why does maximum says to loot head?

[limber lion]

Not exactly sure what you're referencing

[serene wyvern]

on his stream it says make sure to grab helm tier from vault

[limber lion]

Because he wants you to get tier from vault and then join their split runs so you can trade the tier helm to them

[serene wyvern]

yeah i got that but why specific the helm?

[limber lion]

You're probably missing out on some context

[serene wyvern]

https://gyazo.com/0d0a352a7a0e047db008608b552b17fe

this is what i got

like any tier set is good but why the helm xD

[limber lion]

Maybe they got an excess of every other tier piece

and are lacking on helms

Who knows

[serene wyvern]

could be

idk i tought helm had smth specific

[limber lion]

nah

[oak sky]

@limber lion @balmy condor why is sylv dagger simming higher offhand than heroic offhand

mfd?

[frank stag]

Yea that's what I'm thinking. At least wait til I see drops this week.

[frank stag]

Much appreciated for the input.

[hollow river]

i mean tier>everything right now

having more tier will also let you trade your raid more tier

[oak sky]

kinda but also long term good

[hollow river]

idk i'm never using IQD

ever

[oak sky]

3 trinkets are better

so i would say thats safe

[hollow river]

yeah

[oak sky]

except 278 iqd would be good until you got those better trinkets

[hollow river]

sure but

more tier pieces in your raid over all

is better for progression

if we look at it from a group stand point as opposed to a single player

tier acquisition is the most important role in progressing this raid as far as possible as early as possible

[oak sky]

cev already made that point tho...

[hollow river]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limber lion]

IQD is our BIS trinket

just saying

[hollow river]

Just discussing

[oak sky]

@limber lion

[hollow river]

No it isn’t?

[oak sky]

why

would

[limber lion]

Yes it is

[oak sky]

sylv dagger sim higher

[limber lion]

IQD + Sigil

[hollow river]

Erm

[oak sky]

ooh hes right

[limber lion]

Oh yeah sorry, I missed out on that

[serene wyvern]

no more phial?

[hollow river]

Phial/sigil

[limber lion]

@agreonr

[oak sky]

i just simmed across talents

[hollow river]

Is what I saw

[limber lion]

@oak sky your guess is as good as mine.

[oak sky]

its always higher than heroic dagger offhand

[limber lion]

I have no clue

[balmy condor]

phial sigil

[oak sky]

whispyr

help

[hollow river]

Iqd is like

[limber lion]

sim say is good so i use

[hollow river]

3rd or 4th

[limber lion]

:)

[oak sky]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pEXktDVNtvh36gCWNdU2Nc

@balmy condor

why

[limber lion]

Oh okay

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4pchpAJTGs7Fz7UZwM7Zjy

I just trusted this sim that Whispyr posted 3 hours ago

which has Sigil + IQD

[balmy condor]

yeah that's actually bait

[limber lion]

okay chill

[balmy condor]

because ptr sim apparently

[limber lion]

sigil iqd

or nah

[balmy condor]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5bkiFu2icJrcTE13VGEcQ6

[limber lion]

okay fuck that

[serene wyvern]

phial always bisss

[limber lion]

not another tier of dogshit ass boring ass residentsleeper ass slimy ass phial

[oak sky]

bro why cant they just make a good passive raid trinket

rip bells

ooh maybe quake in keys

[limber lion]

Oh well, I'm never getting a phial anyways

so I'm counting that out

all m+ trinkets at 278

are out

[oak sky]

when is whispyr explaining why dagger wrong

[limber lion]

Guess I'm a Sigil/Earthbreaker boy

[oak sky]

i mean this sylv dagger difference seems correct

but i want to know why whispyrs sim was different

[limber lion]

Which dagger are you looking at?

Rygelon or the lower ilvl ones?

[oak sky]

265 lihuvim

[limber lion]

idk

sylv dagger good

[limber lion]

Lihuvim would be MH for me with a Sylv off hand

[oak sky]

this is whispyr's sim

[limber lion]

right

[oak sky]

and mine is up a couple messages

[limber lion]

can't find yours

[oak sky]

the one thats beating sylv dagger is the one in my bags

[limber lion]

but yeah

are you simming yours with tier set as well

[oak sky]

no i dont have tier set

[limber lion]

yeh

[oak sky]

that could be why

[limber lion]

I mean that's double lego + tier set full bis sim

so everything could be different

[oak sky]

ye

i simmed across talents

maybe the stats become more valuable when you get tier

[timber pawn]

is there a preliminary sin trinket power list yet?

[oak sky]

sigil looks good, cache looks ok, phial or the earthquake trinket from raid look good

sim yourself as always

[timber pawn]

yeah I got earthquake in vault but passed on it as helm bigger upgrade for moment being

figured sigil was 1 wasn'tsure if there was a clear cut 2 yet

expected phial fully beefed up to probably be 2 again

[winged basin]

should I just sim obed vs dashing?

prolly dumb question but I am thinking obed is stronger now that we arent using shards

[limber lion]

You should sim it. They sim pretty similarly for many

Obedience sims better for me, but I've seen Dashing sim better for some

[winged basin]

I did right after asking lmao

obed sims -1 dps lower

[limber lion]

Of course it depends on the encounter as well

[winged basin]

im crit capped so I figured it would be close

[limber lion]

Just play either

Obedience changing timers might make it a better pick for some fights

or worse for that matter

[balmy condor]

@oak sky

[oak sky]

someone changed their build

[balmy condor]

was literally just swapping to deeper

[oak sky]

L+ ratio + ur better

[balmy condor]

L + ratio + you'll beat me today

[oak sky]

wait

you got a lot of gear

i have jack shit :/

[balmy condor]

I have a dagger and a chest

and that's it bruh

[oak sky]

belt

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah

[oak sky]

that ones cool as fuck