assassination

[limber lion]

not

drop

anything

You maintain all dots on all targets, garrote being the exception because it's limited by cooldown

[opaque creek]

"So every minute, you need to land on average: 9 ruptures, 9 garrote, 5 CT, 4 envenom so that's 18 finisher aka you can do max 2 builder between finishers and even with the little extra help from SBS generation, that's impossible"

[hollow escarp]

Ceverion turning into Guy

[opaque creek]

I simplified it

[limber lion]

I already replied to you

[opaque creek]

so it's understandable

[limber lion]

and said that you complicate it way too much

[opaque creek]

what do you not understand

about the fast that

[limber lion]

no

????

[opaque creek]

18 finisher = 42 builder per minute

[limber lion]

You obviously have not played this spec

since legion

go hit 4 dummies

[opaque creek]

= on average 2.333 builder / finisher

[limber lion]

and tell me what happens

[echo geyser]

[opaque creek]

you stick a garrote in here

once every 2 finisher

You do not have enough CP on 4t on average

[rigid mango]

I havn't played since bfa but I can still tell that the way you're going about it is wrong

[opaque creek]

it's math like basic math

[marble hemlock]

It is certainly possible to maintain all of that with current gear levels and decent crit. 2 builders per finisher is more than enough for a spec that generates ~3CP on average per fok and finishes at 4+

[limber lion]

If you're struggling to keep everything up, it's fine to let a few ruptures drop off

that's fine

[marble hemlock]

Now the argument shouldnt be about what to drop under ideal circumstances, because under ideal circumstances nothing drops. However downtime due to mechanics, or misplay in the rotation can lead to something dropping off, and my best guess would be is that you drop a rupture before dropping ct/snd/garrote and try to catch up on it

[limber lion]

but it is not ideal in any way

[marble hemlock]

I'm also not sure that if snd is within pandemic, if its best to envenom or hardcast another snd for a full duration one

[limber lion]

hello cutie, nice to see you here once in a while

[marble hemlock]

All of these are very situational decisions that really shouldnt happen though. If they do, you gotta play catchup on everything anyway, not just a single GCD

If a rupture drops somewhere, its likely youll also be falling behind on CT refreshes, pushing you into a higher CP/GCD builder situation which is likely to lead you to making the mistake of using more foks and not using Garrote on CD etc.

But there is no guideline as to what to let fall off/not use, as we build APLs and sims on the idea that you play things correctly, and when you do, nothing drops.

As every "falling behind in rotational priorities" situation is different to one another, its impossible to give specific guidelines on it

And we cant sim around it either

[limber lion]

We do use a priority system for determining what abilities and buffs we want to prioritize. In this case it's SnD > CT > Garrote > Rupture, but these things are always assumed in a vacuum. M+ is an everchanging environment and it's hard to say what button to press when.

[opaque creek]

Thanks for clarifying it 💖

[marble hemlock]

Cev and me said the same thing though

[viscid spear]

[limber lion]

Team effort

[opaque creek]

It's so weird than SnD it first prio

[viscid spear]

Shitty day at work and this is distracting me from it

[opaque creek]

Like I have trouble to understand how it's SnD that the most dmg per blabla

[limber lion]

It is for sure, I thought it was weird as well when we started delving into AoE and whatnot more

[opaque creek]

So counter intuitive

[marble hemlock]

You'll realize why when you do a 10t AoE pull and Melee is still your 2nd highest damage source

[limber lion]

But a single Envenom extends Slice by 15s and that's not taking into account the Envenom buff that increases your poison damage on everything around you

[rigid mango]

Gotta come home and visit the family here and there

[limber lion]

Like when you're constantly using FoK, you'll also be constantly reapplying poisons and doing poison damage, even more so with the Envenom buff.

Melee is just giga goated nowadays

It has been pretty over the top since the pruning in BFA.

[marble hemlock]

Cant wait to get 4pc and play deeper. AoE gameplay with deeper is some of the most fun you can have in this game still

[hollow escarp]

especially when you compare it with legion melee damage

[limber lion]

Yeah exactly

I remember when someone flamed me in Spires because melee was my #1 damage

[marble hemlock]

lotsa people gonna be realizing vigor aoe rotation is ez mode

[limber lion]

and that I'm a shit rogue

:(

[marble hemlock]

well

not false

but not because of melee being highest

[kindred dune]

how would a solid opener in m+ with a bigger trash pack look like? is it 4 times garrote into CT?

[limber lion]

Yeh, assuming you have Slice and Dice already up from previous pack or you saved combo points from there.

[kindred dune]

if not up, how would the opener look like?

[limber lion]

In place of CT you just use SnD and then get your CT up soon after that

[fading adder]

I got flamed in a top that melee was my top damage and that I bought my rank 1 title

[viscid spear]

Were you top dps?

[limber lion]

Yeah, funnily enough I did 3k more dps than the person flaming me

gotta vent your anger out on someone I guess

[fading adder]

Yea. People love to tell rogues how to play but no one wants to play rogue 🙃

[limber lion]

We depleted the key because of the person fucking up skips twice, that's why he felt the need to flame someone

[viscid spear]

My Alli guild is like that
No one plays Rogue at max level but they still question things

[limber lion]

it wasn't his fault that we depleted the key

that we had to kill 4 extra packs because of his failure

it was my fault because my melee was my top damage

:/

[marble hemlock]

cev trash confirmed

[limber lion]

me rn

[opaque creek]

https://gyazo.com/1a86e8088bb80252e46e9bc5f00dd716

[fading adder]

I’m sure there’s a discord out there that could teach you to play rogue better

[opaque creek]

this is 4 target execless

with probably a few fuck ups

SnD = DP application (not dot, only initial tick)

[limber lion]

woah that's crazy, can you link me to that discord? :O

[opaque creek]

and melee dmg

and it's not that much

like if I remove 33% melee dmg (50% atk speed)

and let's say

I have 40% envenom uptime

so like 12% extra poision application

So I remove 33% from 5.6 (melee) and 12% from 5% (DP application)

[marble hemlock]

Please stop napkin mathing

[fading adder]

#213777374385405955 message

[opaque creek]

it's like a 1.8+0.6=2.4% dps loss

[fading adder]

I gotchu dude.

[opaque creek]

dropping snd

[hollow escarp]

[opaque creek]

not counting what you win from it

Oh yeah envenom dmg

Oh yeah probably not worth at all

fuck

[viscid spear]

Made more popcorn

[limber lion]

Assassination has so many moving parts, it's pretty much impossible to count stuff like that

that's why we have the sims for that

and the sims say SnD op, so we press it

[viscid spear]

Dis gun b gud

[marble hemlock]

That's not how anything works. You're looking at entire fights and talking about a situation in which you'd not have SnD up at all. That's not at all the discussion we were having, which was about ideal usage of individual GCDs. Individual GCDs value and which ability to drop or not would be based on the opportunity cost of that specific situation youre finding yourself in

And none of that can be looked at in a vaccuum

[limber lion]

Also in m+ you usually end a pack with leftover cp, so you more often than not start a pack with 40+ seconds of Slice remaining

so you don't actually even have to press it a single time or even press Envenom to maintain it for that matter, because of the leftover cp/duration

[opaque creek]

I'm talking about pantheon exclusive

[marble hemlock]

When we're talking about individual GCDs, we typically look at DPE (damage per execute), which in the case of garrote or rupture would be the damage they do over their entire duration, for example. The problem is that for SnD in particular, that value is incredibly hard to quantify due to the way the rotation plays out and what a single press of an envenom button actually does over the next ~6-7seconds

[opaque creek]

Like M+ you work around it's really like

you have a lot of margin

pantheon way less

[limber lion]

that's interesting because now you're forgetting a million other things

[fading adder]

The priority system has worked well for me on pantheon. We’re going in on Monday and I’m gunna do it as necro sin. Makes uptime on CT, and Rupture so much more manageable.

[limber lion]

like lust, group comp, windfury, raid buffs, cooldown usage, enemy hp, fight duration

and so on

[marble hemlock]

Not pressing envenom and dropping SnD comes at the cost of having to spend the CP again later anyway to refresh it. So any gain you get in that specific moment of dropping SnD, is lost later when you have to cast it again instead of using it on smth that has higher DPE.

[limber lion]

napkin math just doesn't work when there's so many moving parts

[marble hemlock]

That why it's basically impossible to math out

[opaque creek]

Yeye forget about dropping snd I was just trying to eyeball why it's important to keep it up

[marble hemlock]

It seems incredibly counterintuitive that SnD has that high prio on AoE, I was very skeptical of it myself

[opaque creek]

It seemed counter intuitive

ye

[limber lion]

Yeh it's counterintuitive for sure and we can all agree on it

but somehow it's still mega good, so we gotta press it

[opaque creek]

I'm trying get a rule of thumb for when I'll have to do pantheon and maintain all that shit in a fight

but it's probably like

[marble hemlock]

The funny thing is, that Envenom basically has the lowest prio, as all dots take a higher one, but maintaining snd is the most important part in AoE.

[hollow dirge]

It’s counterintuitive as a single gcd, but considering you can maintain it easily for an extended period of time, dmg gain per use is massive

[limber lion]

Yeh, Envenom is both the lowest prio and highest prio

[marble hemlock]

So maintaining SnD is basically smth that shows you how well you play your rotation

If you feel like you can "afford" to press Envenom, youre doing great.

[limber lion]

But don't worry

I can assure you that on Pantheon you will drop bleeds

it will happen

because there's soooo much shit going on

[marble hemlock]

And dropping any of the spells isnt a big deal, really

[limber lion]

and that's fine

just get those bad boys back up and you're chilling

[opaque creek]

Dropping SnD is so annoying

to recover from

ngl

[marble hemlock]

I'd argue its pretty much impossible to play the Assa aoe gameplay perfectly

[limber lion]

Ye

[opaque creek]

or dropping to many ruptures

[hollow escarp]

don't forget to prio dots on Duty before she flies away

[marble hemlock]

I fucked myself on our pantheon kill because i didnt pool SBS charges

So i started p3 with only 1 charge

Cost me a lot of DPS

[hollow dirge]

Yeah. Which is why reward for playing it well should be high. And yet, fok/bp wins ezpz

[marble hemlock]

[hollow escarp]

yeah, sbs disappears from bosses in intermission

actually sucks

[opaque creek]

Sometiems it's also cancelled mid air

even when all is fine

f***ing annoying

[hollow escarp]

I think that's deflecting

[marble hemlock]

Yeah well, I play games to have fun. Playing a difficult rotation and succeeding is fun. Of course it would be nice to do more dps than a very basic or simple aoe rotation, but thats the way it is

Doesnt take away from my enjoyment of assa aoe gameplay though

[hollow dirge]

100%

[marble hemlock]

Monks doing 150k dps pressing sck 9times in a row isnt particularly engaging or difficult gameplay

[fading adder]

Or BP spam as sub lol

[hollow dirge]

Sub has some decision making atleast😂

[hollow escarp]

bgl, I've been enjoying m+ bosses on assa this patch so far

since the affix helps you funnel

[viscid spear]

Or BF spam as Outlaw

Oh wait

[hollow escarp]

[fading adder]

Necro sin has been the most fun sin iteration in a while. Big fan

I wanna play 2p in keys asap and see how it feels

[hollow dirge]

Yeah. Shame the legendary is not doing shit for st

[marble hemlock]

Assa gonna be pretty neat once we have 4set/double leggo in m+ i think

Doubt we'll be playing zoldyck anymore tho

[hollow dirge]

It would be decent, instant full cp even on st, low cd, utilising it into heirmir’s crit buff would grant you couple of fast finishers

[marble hemlock]

Getting 1min vendetta in m+ is gonna feel great

[marble hemlock]

that would still be shit

[opaque creek]

Ok so I think for pantheon it's like ye if you maintain at least 2 ruptures, CT, snd, and garrote on cooldown you're omegafine since you're always running on 5 bleed so energy cap

[marble hemlock]

But yeah

It is what it is

[marble hemlock]

You need to stop thinking in terms of what to do "worst case" as your worst case is dependant on what actually happens.

[opaque creek]

https://gyazo.com/f7107cd95508cee9b114187229be091f like this is 2 min 10s dummy single CD usage, 4t, execussionless

[marble hemlock]

The skill in Assa AoE is to make the correct choices when things go wrong, but theres a lot of different things that can go wrong

[opaque creek]

with zoldyck leg sooo basically no leggo

[marble hemlock]

You need to play the rotation expecting you play it flawlessly, and since that's almost impossibel to do, you need to make the correct choice whenever smth isnt going perfectly. Whether its you missing a GCD due to not being in melee range for a garrote, or having to adjust your builder choice because duty is flying away etc.

[opaque creek]

and I still think my opener is dogshit

[marble hemlock]

weaving in sbs as fillers when you had bad fok cp gen

[opaque creek]

4 target aoe opener <______>

[hollow dirge]

It would be ok. It’s a high hitting ability, and you’d get full cp on each use. If properly released on heirmir’s crit proc, you could fit in quite a few envenoms into a shiv

[opaque creek]

Thing is SBS is like a cheat code

on 4t

it's like "insta CP cap"

"PANIC FULL CP"

[marble hemlock]

Yes, and since it has charges, you shouldnt use it on CD

But use it as a filler

[opaque creek]

yeye

[marble hemlock]

Ideally you use it during gemstones, if everything goes fine, but again, thats not gonna be the case

Youre trying way too hard to think of an ideal way to play it

[opaque creek]

Yeah ideal way but practical

[marble hemlock]

You wont be sitting on the boss dodging stampedes and thinking about any of those priorities you just outlined. Youll have to learn to actually play it

[opaque creek]

Exactly that's why I was asking about dropping something

[marble hemlock]

That won't be a conscious decision

You wont be in a bad CP gen situation and think back to your discussion on ravenholdt with Cev and Seli on what to cast

Because you literally only have 1 sec to choose your next builder

[opaque creek]

What

[limber lion]

Sometimes you notice that your rupture is about to drop off, so you reapply rupture. But then you notice that oh shit my CT has 1s remaining, so you panic-build to try to refresh it

[opaque creek]

ofc you practice your stuff so when you are in those situations you know how to react

if I don't know the rule of thumb I won't make the correct decision

[limber lion]

You just have to constantly keep track of everything and that comes with practice

[opaque creek]

Or weakauras

You can tweek your UI so that something is more important than other stuff

If I don't know the rule of thumb I can do that

can't*

[limber lion]

Everyone makes mistakes and that's fine

[marble hemlock]

But youre basing your entire choices and decisions on how to play when things go wrong. Thats not the way to play. The way to practice is to get things right, not play a suboptimal rotation because you expect things to go wrong.

[opaque creek]

Idk man

[limber lion]

Yeh

[opaque creek]

Worked fine so far

[limber lion]

Is "fine" what you're going for?

[opaque creek]

idk

is top4 world fine

[limber lion]

Exactly, you're the only person who can make that call

[marble hemlock]

You literally argued an hour or so ago, that its impossible to do it, despite us telling you its possible. So go into a 4t fight and make it happen, instead of settling for less than that and figuring out the best way to drop something from your rotation

[opaque creek]

You work theoritical best, and then you work your recoveries from when you deviate, and you adapt on bosses

and you go back to the theoritical best

[marble hemlock]

And everytime it doesnt work, which will happen a lot, youll get better at solving the problem of getting back into the proper rotation

[opaque creek]

Yeah exactly

[marble hemlock]

But that isnt a theoretical exercise. Its a practical one. The priorities dont change

[opaque creek]

so you need to know how to go back to proper rotation properly

Let's say you drop SnD AND rupture

Which one refresh first ?

[marble hemlock]

But as we already said like 4 times, that heavily depends on what actually went wrong in the first place

[opaque creek]

Those kind of scenarios

[limber lion]

SnD

[marble hemlock]

There is no plan to make for that

[limber lion]

Yeh

[opaque creek]

Yeah of course

[marble hemlock]

Your priorities are still the same

[opaque creek]

It's just an example

[marble hemlock]

Whether you drop a rupture, a snd, a ct, or a garrote. Your priorities to getting back to track remain the same.

[limber lion]

This conversation has moved from "it's impossible to keep everything up" to "what do I do when I mess up?"

[marble hemlock]

You keep the same priorities when something goes wrong. There's no deviation in rotational priorities

[limber lion]

But yeah, practice makes perfect that's all there is to it

[opaque creek]

this is like good priority system

I wonder if it shifts between targets

like maybe it's not same prio in 5t ? 6t? 3t ?

[limber lion]

It is always the same prio

Except in 1 target

Because we don't play CT

[marble hemlock]

You do on Vigilant

[limber lion]

true true

[marble hemlock]

But yes, on 1t you dont play CT. You play sub

[opaque creek]

I'm like 95% sure it's impossible even for computer to follow these rules on patchwerk 4t:

1. Never drop SnD
2. Garrote everytime it's available without overcapping CP
3. 100% uptime CT
4. 100% uptime Rupture on 4t
5. Shiv, vendetta, etc
6. Never cap SBS
   With 2222223 talent and zoldyck leg (or no leg w/e)

(no particular order)

[umbral rapids]

LOL

[spice spire]

It takes a ton of practice, but yes, you definitely can. It helps with a good plater profile, a ton of practice, and some forward planning.

[gusty mirage]

Plater*

I gotchu boo

Autocorrect strikes again

[echo geyser]

This spec channel has so much green

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

just like your parses

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

Don’t bully Ramfam 😦

[marble hemlock]

i love ramfam

but he only wants nova, not me

[echo geyser]

[spice spire]

Are you bullying GIGA fragger ramZAMN?

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-oh-shit-oh-snap-uh-oh-oh-god-gif-5682814

[spice spire]

It’s okay he only wants George too

[gusty mirage]

Is this true ram?

[echo geyser]

I do love all RH pets its true

[marble hemlock]

see

he loves you oxi

[gusty mirage]

Yeah unlucky guys, the pets are the best parts of your personalities

[marble hemlock]

oxi is my fav RH pet

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

But to respond to this, yeah it’s hard to keep everything up all the time. Your goal is to strive for 100% uptime on all of it, sometimes that’s extremely difficult to do and that’s alright. Just follow the priority of which is most important and go from there tbh

[opaque creek]

https://gyazo.com/f854798ebe8a416d0900e2c0b2fb61e4

so yeah

even computer drops rupture

Unless he's like

taking what

taking 1 min to land 4 ruptures in opener (more or less, eyeball)

[gusty mirage]

No one expects 100% uptime on everything, even if the bot does do it it’s going to be almost impossible in an actual boss scenario

[opaque creek]

@gusty mirage I was just saying how it's impossible to not drop anything in 4t

people where saying it's possible

[gusty mirage]

I mean it IS possible, but it’s hard as fuck

[opaque creek]

computers can't do it

[gusty mirage]

Like extremely hard

[opaque creek]

no

computer can't do it

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[ember mural]

[gusty mirage]

Yes it is possible

[opaque creek]

record a pov and show me then

[gusty mirage]

No

[opaque creek]

how you do all this

Then why you bother trying to convince me it's possible

when you can't do it yourself

[hollow escarp]

check his bio

[gusty mirage]

The same reason you’re arguing against 4 CFs that it is impossible

For funsies I guess

[shrewd night]

Cant we just agree to disagree that one person here is the prodigy that will prove everyone wrong. And leave it at that.

[opaque creek]

Not the first time that happened here

[marble hemlock]

May I ask why it would matter whether or not it is in fact possible?

[hollow escarp]

not sure what you are trying to achieve with this

[marble hemlock]

Your rotational priorities dont change whether or not its possible.

[lone yarrow]

sulvanas dagger nerf no ?

[hollow escarp]

no

[opaque creek]

Just principle, because first I came asking "It's impossible to maintain all that shit so what do I drop" and answer is like "It's possible you're just not doing it right, practice more"

when the computer drops rupture

[lone yarrow]

tien nova =p

[opaque creek]

[cold rampart]

why use mfd if people are smashing logs with vigor

[marble hemlock]

yeah ofc. technically its already impossible to do it all because you dont start the fight with everything already running, and it takes a good 20-30seconds to do so

But we're not engaging in "technically" and "ackshually" discussions here. Its pointless. You asked whether its possible to maintain everything. It is. Doesn't mean its possible under all circumstances, when you have to deal with random CP gen from FoK and SBS.

There will be moments where it wont be possible due to any number of reasons. Your rotational priorities dont change when that happens, and you always play as if you could, under all circumstances, maintain it all. Because, as the sim has shown you, it is possible for the majority of teh fight.

[opaque creek]

Oh computer does rupture at max-2 also

That helps

[umbral rapids]

nice typo

[opaque creek]

XD

[cold rampart]

?

[opaque creek]

And CT at max-2

Ok ok

So in AoE it like shifts from "only max-1" finishers to a "max-2"

[marble hemlock]

no

[spice spire]

If you’re running obedience, it’s important to maximize your flag stacks, mfd does this - that’s a primary reason to. Vigor is very “set it and forget it” some people cba.

But the primary use of MFD is to maximize your flag stacks is the long short of it

[cold rampart]

well i dont have obedience yet so

cba it is

• when do i have to make duskwalker ?

[limber lion]

with 4p

[opaque creek]

I mean when rupture / CT drops, computer refreshes at 4 (when playing DS so 6 max cp)

[rapid forum]

Honestly not worth it to craft obedience now if you don't have it, gonna switch in a week or 2 anyway when everyone got 4 set

[marble hemlock]

That doesnt mean you change your finisher priority to max-2

You still want to cast your finisher with max -1

[opaque creek]

Yeah but shouldn't hesitate to dump 4 cp to refresh a dot that expired

[marble hemlock]

But when the choice is between not having the dot up, or casting with with -2, then -2 is acceptable

[opaque creek]

ye

[marble hemlock]

Doesnt change the prio. The prio doesnt change.

[opaque creek]

It's just https://gyazo.com/6fd662269e333c656e0f42c65da71561 was a bit misleading

[marble hemlock]

It's not misleading

You should always finish at -1 or max.

Doesn't mean you will always do so.

But you should.

[rapid forum]

You should always use a seatbelt, doesn't mean people always do it

[opaque creek]

Also any idea why the compooter gets 3 cp from a single SBS?

https://gyazo.com/fc0af0c7aad439facfedb6cb8bc27b3e

in opener ?

[marble hemlock]

Because it crit?

[opaque creek]

shouldn't it be 2 then?

[marble hemlock]

No?

SBS is supposed to generate 2CP on the first cast on the first target, 3 on a second etc. It just doesnt do that half the time due to 🍝 code.

And ofc +1 if it crits.

[opaque creek]

so tooltip is ass

https://gyazo.com/012fb2d491c940ad1fcf3a1408428425

[marble hemlock]

No its not

[opaque creek]

First bone spike counts as an active bonespike ?

[marble hemlock]

Yes

Its supposed to, anyway

[opaque creek]

so it's like 1 base + 1 because it's active (somehow?) + 1 crit

okok

[marble hemlock]

That's the way its supposed to work, yes. Only works half the time.

[opaque creek]

the "because it's active parts" only works half the time ?

that's what you're talking about ?

[rapid forum]

Hey, still better than during sod, when it just completely broke half the time

[marble hemlock]

Yes.

[hollow escarp]

sbs on Sire

[marble hemlock]

Its a 50:50 on whether or not the server calculated the first bonespike as already having the debuff applied or not

Which is annoying.

[opaque creek]

X_X

[marble hemlock]

Been like that ever since the SBS rework in 9.0.5

[marble hemlock]

It didnt break half the time. It just broke. I'm pretty certain they tried to fix the bug we are just talking about, and failed to do so and instead broke it more so it didnt give refunds at all when castm ultiple times, and would only ever generate 1CP.

[opaque creek]

(Does distance helps to get the extra CP?)

Like casting SBS max range ?

[marble hemlock]

Would I have said it's a 50:50 if there was a way to control it and make it consistent?

[opaque creek]

Idk I thought 50% is a little high odds bc I've never got it to work in like 10 tries

maybe I'm just unlucky

[mint valve]

assa with 4p is going nightfae right?

[kindred heron]

Check the Assa FAQ! Theres nice graphics saying when we go assa and when we go necro

[mint valve]

yup! sorry just saw it! thank you sir

how do we get dashing

from current content?

im looking at my powers and i actually dont have it 0.o

[hollow escarp]

if you don't have it then it should say where you get it from

on the tooltip

[mint valve]

it says council of blood

nathria?

[hollow escarp]

yeap

you could also try to get it from grateful offering vendor in your covenant sanctum or in Korthia

both require some reasearch or rep

so probably it's faster to stay 1h in queue for Council if you don't have progress on covenant sanctum or korthia

[untold nest]

@balmy condor is your sheet about covenants correct? Cuz it’s showing best ST covenant is necro

[mint valve]

yeah ill queue up for a council kill on LFR while i do the convenant shit.. LOL

[pearl ingot]

what would be the "Fight Style" if i want to sim for prototype?

[alpine latch]

What food are we running this tier? Is it haste food now?

[limber lion]

Sure

[limber lion]

4 targets 3 minutes is fine

[pearl ingot]

ty 🙂

[limber lion]

Another 1% wipe on Pantheon. I guess I'm never killing this boss

I've spent over 5 hours on this boss with various pugs

[hollow escarp]

[limber lion]

just give me the kill

[hollow escarp]

reminds me of my first coven hc kill

spent Christmas eve with pugs on that boss

[umbral rapids]

zoldyck necro?

[viscid spear]

Hyjal, that takes me back.

[strange python]

@limber lion on pee pee. Aka pantheon. What covenant you go and lego.? Im thinking necro but unsure of lego. I cant hit higher derps than 11k+ as vent.

[limber lion]

Correct.

[limber lion]

Necrolord with Zoldyck.

[strange python]

K thx

[umbral rapids]

super tempting to try it at 65 renown ngl

[limber lion]

doesn't matter

[umbral rapids]

aight fuck it sending it

[limber lion]

higher renown literally is like 12 dps

[umbral rapids]

yeah i also wanted to try kyrian outlaw on it

[limber lion]

[umbral rapids]

shouldn't be bad

big ER cdr

[viscid spear]

[umbral rapids]

[strange python]

Lul craplaw. Is still crap. If so why not just go on warrior

[viscid spear]

We don't do Smurf Angels in this channel

[mint valve]

2p for assa doesn’t change any covenant and legendary yet right?

The chart only mentions 4p

[mint valve]

does ambush do more damage than mutilate?

[limber lion]

It does

but it also gives less combo points and has a lower chance of applying poison

[umbral rapids]

man i've rarely been excited about sin stuff

but pantheon zoldyck necro sounds fun af

[weary marten]

hey guys my Broker's lucky coin proc in 242, is this trinket worth ?

https://www.wowhead.com/item=190389/brokers-lucky-coin?bonus=1487:8142

[bleak sky]

Sim it

[weary marten]

ok didn't know if he was included in sims or not

was also to have a background check

[cold rampart]

we cast flag on cd ?

[limber lion]

Yes as much as possible

[cold rampart]

even without obedience ?

[trim zinc]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2A9XLMbFzfCrTpZ8/#fight=25
look at this, one boss with 40k hp and we died

[limber lion]

is that a private log?

[trim zinc]

is it? lol sorry

[limber lion]

slam some screenies in the chat

:p

[trim zinc]

that was the dmgs and mine there

we had 8min fight tho LMAO

[indigo mulch]

[limber lion]

same

[rotund oak]

How are u doing that much dmg

what a freak

[limber lion]

a lot of practice

[trim zinc]

yeah right

[limber lion]

6 hours of Pantheon in fact

[rotund oak]

rly?

[vestal wren]

uff

[rotund oak]

dafuq

[limber lion]

Yes

I've been in over 10 Pantheon groups

and not a single one has killed it yet

they all just give up eventually

and the group dies

[rotund oak]

do we like need anything from pantheon as assassination?

lootwise

[limber lion]

Other than the trinket and ilvl upgrades, not really

[rotund oak]

basicly what am i even asking yeah

[limber lion]

Nothing major

[rotund oak]

yy

[limber lion]

Lihuvim is the most stacked boss for us currently

Until Rygelon next week

[frozen zenith]

How do I sim prototype pantheon? wanna check if its worth running my lower ilvl zoldycks over obedience

[limber lion]

but I can't find a single Lihuvim group

so I have to do Pantheon groups that kill Pantheon

so we can do Lihuvim after

[limber lion]

I can already tell you that it is worth it

You don't even need to sim it

[frozen zenith]

even if its 235?

[limber lion]

Yes

[hollow escarp]

you lose on some stats, the effect is the same

[frozen zenith]

do u run master poisoner with it?

or do I stick with elaborate

[limber lion]

You never run MP anywhere

I ran 2222223

As Necrolord

[frozen zenith]

ye ik but I didnt run zoldycks since early nathria

[balmy condor]

Where are you seeing that?

[sterile chasm]

what is bis trinkets now

[balmy condor]

FaQ

[empty ivy]

Yo guys, am i allowed to post logs in this channel and u guys can like point out some improvement points?

From one of my assassination rogues in my current team

[untold nest]

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Yeah the set bonus is strongest for necro

[balmy condor]

Yep

[empty ivy]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rYZ9dH317cPXnhpL

If u can look at Lyssarah that would be great

We want to give feedback what he can improve on

[civic granite]

night fae is bad on rogue assasinat for raid ?

[balmy condor]

Until you get 4 piece double lego, then it’s the best covenant

[civic granite]

ye ok so i ahve to play other convenant before get the set ?

[bleak sky]

only if you want to.

[balmy condor]

If you want to be optimal, yeah

[civic granite]

ok ty

[winter vapor]

Is theotar tea still hate crit this tier?

haste*

[vestal wren]

haste seemed good yes

[quaint condor]

cev saying zoldyck’s good I’m gassed up
Went Venthyr this week, I think Im gonna try necro next week

[limber lion]

Necro is a lot of fun for sure

[strange python]

1 out of 4 here we go

[limber lion]

God damn, congrats

[strange python]

after trying out sub on several bosses i have officially concluded that i do not like that spec

for this raid

i kinda enjoy assa much much more

less punishing 😄

[limber lion]

that's what we like to hear

[brazen zodiac]

sup cev

[pseudo hamlet]

CT > PB in Sepulcher? Most of the bosses I did seem like CT would've been actually better.

[strange python]

id like to know this as well

but on subcreation 99% use PB

[limber lion]

CT for most bosses

[winter vapor]

Halondrus and the oracle being exception?

or well, worm

[limber lion]

Halondrus and Skrillex, yes

[tulip kernel]

wait since when is necro the play?

[limber lion]

Since forever, it has always been a go-to for cleave/aoe

but in SoD the frost shards pushed Venthyr a bunch ahead so it wasn't really worth it

[tulip kernel]

wait so doomblade/necro is bis atm?

[limber lion]

For some bosses yes

but not all

Venthyr is still a lot better on most

[rotund oak]

Seli close on killing Anduin HC

veeeery close

[subtle tundra]

cringe boss

[rotund oak]

now i understand why Cev is playing Zoldyck's

leggo is massive for hectic execute phases

anduin must be one of those

also noticed crimson tempest back in the menu or what

poggers

[obtuse robin]

ct is good this tier

it seems

[rotund oak]

nyalotha vibes

letsgo

[subtle tundra]

very cringe to swap around tho 😦

[rotund oak]

yo idk,mfd and stuff

looks comfy

[grizzled orbit]

Having to use 6 tomes per raid is cringe for sure

[brazen zodiac]

mfd so fun on guardian

[rotund oak]

im so HYPED for assa this tier

cant wait for the tier set,im gonna pump so much ❤️

[brazen zodiac]

thats the spirit

[slow marsh]

I mean you should probably swap covs for the st bosses anyways so there's no reason not to run pb for the two bosses then CT for everything else

And if you don't want to take literally one minute to swap covs then Necro / CT is probably best overall for the raid

[scenic kelp]

why play most of the ppl in logs with vigor ? mfd is 150dps increase for me 😄 or is it simbait?

[slow marsh]

lazy

[brazen zodiac]

trolls

sup ice

[slow marsh]

sup

[brazen zodiac]

skolex

[slow marsh]

fun

[rough kraken]

fan of knives or mutiliate on 3 target? i persume fok

[pseudo hamlet]

4 or more

3 if they aren't poisoned(just for deadly)

[rough kraken]

scenario is pantheon phase 1 2 bosses and the add on them

so im sending mutiliates?

[violet hemlock]

Muta probs

That add insta dies

I just sbs then ignore

[strange silo]

are we sure with the xymox trinket we want the wand as st? the axe does almost all the time more dmg for me

[limber lion]

Yes during p1/p2 you only press Mutilate, during p3 you only press FoK

FoK is obviously a great tool to use if you have to get some distance because of mechanics or whatever

but mainly you should be using only Mutilates during p1/p2

[hollow nexus]

i just got it and im curious about this aswell

[rough kraken]

thanks

[solid venture]

15 bosses killed, 0 loot

thx blizz

[kindred heron]

uh oh since every fight is cleave basically

NF dream dead

[strange python]

is necro literally, throw spike and forget

im prolly missing something, ive never used it before

[limber lion]

You dump every other charge during Gemstone windows

Save up charges for adds and whatnot

[strange python]

Interesting, ive never been necro before so i'll have to check it out a bit

[celest marlin]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[vestal wren]

necro dream then?

[rotund oak]

Necro-zoldycks?

gigachad assa execute phase

[strange python]

Is necro better on 2 target as well

[winter vapor]

So vigilant Necro is better - running venth with MFD atm, do I switch to vigor for that fight if going necro or stay MFD?

[trim zinc]

@limber lion i killed it and that was my worst try LMAO

[limber lion]

Just use Vigor or DS as Necro

[limber lion]

Sim it

[limber lion]

ouch

[strange python]

I just have only 40 renown on necro rn so it wouldn’t be representative

[kindred heron]

friendship with NF ended, necro is my new best friend

[trim zinc]

first was the kill and the second one was another 0.03% lmao

[rotund oak]

affliction hardcarry holymolly

[limber lion]

shoulda beat everyone

but good job

:D

[tired falcon]

Bdk pumper

[trim zinc]

ya im sorry, imma try harder next time

[tired falcon]

Sad boomy player almost getting gapped by a bdk

[ruby stirrup]

yo. can you do on prototype ads cheese as assa?

[trim zinc]

cheese?

[ruby stirrup]

with vanish

[balmy condor]

You can but the cheese is very difficult to pull off

[trim zinc]

can u explain?

[balmy condor]

If you’re the only person in the raid in combat with the adds and you vanish it’ll despawn

[trim zinc]

lol thats kind fun to try
ty for explaining

❤️

[limber lion]

It is not

You just stand next to the add, the second it spawns you hit it and then vanish

it's very simple

Almost every pug is doing it, it's almost a requirement :P

[glass tulip]

Don't you just beat the adds anyway?

[limber lion]

The first ones spawn at 5 seconds

so no you don't.

[glass tulip]

Oh right, forgot about those lol

[limber lion]

Those are the ones you cheese, everything else you beat

You never kill the second batch in p1 and the first patch in p3

[glass tulip]

But if hunters throw down wild spirits, warriors are spinning, or whatever else, that first add is going to be in so much combat

[limber lion]

No they won't

There's 4 spawns

you vanish 1-2 spawns

[glass tulip]

Oh I see

[limber lion]

the boss is stacked on top of one add spawn

[glass tulip]

So that one dies and the others you solo chees

[limber lion]

You solo cheese 1 or 2

and kill 1-2

[glass tulip]

Just throwing knife vanish?

[limber lion]

or get a second rogue and then do 3 together and kill one

yeh

Just need to have the raid stacked on top of the boss

so they don't troll

[glass tulip]

So I assume you would open, apply dots, do the add thing, then come back and vendetta?

[grim tangle]

can hunters do it with feign death

mages?

[limber lion]

Correct, most pugs require you to stand next to the adds in the beginning and just stand there for 5 seconds before they spawn so you don't mess it up

No point risking failing it to get garrotes and sbs running

but if you can consistently do that then that's fine

[plush delta]

In M+ on large pulls i.e. 12+ mobs, is it a dps gain to spam CT assuming you have put initial bleeds up and are capping on energy?

most info says CT should be maintained for the bleed only and refreshed ~2s

[zinc frost]

Nah no need to spam it, just get ruptures out after CT then just focus a mob down with refreshing CT if you need to

[indigo mulch]

Man, hc anduin is a monster o_O

[wild beacon]

How long is the fight?

[brazen zodiac]

10 minutes

[limber lion]

Just got my second heroic pug kill

5 more to go

[indigo mulch]

[limber lion]

4 days for 2 bosses

[brazen zodiac]

pog

its been rough out here

[limber lion]

I died toward the end, but whatever

at least got the kill

[timid cloud]

So you can Vanish the ritual adds out?

[limber lion]

I just want a Lihuvim kill but there's no groups :'(

[limber lion]

Yes

[timid cloud]

Yeah, getting past Pantheon seems so cringe as a pug.

Do I just tap it then Vanish?

[limber lion]

Yes

[timid cloud]

I might try it out tonight.

[limber lion]

You stand next to it, it will spawn and channel an ability

during that channel you hit it once and vanish

and it goes

[timid cloud]

There's no shot that's staying in for very much longer.

I'mm try to abuse it though.

[brazen zodiac]

zzz

[winter vapor]

few of the top logs cough Cev Cough are using Plague for necro soulbinds, whats the play compared to heimir there?

[timid cloud]

Damage amp.

Send them to the bone zone.

🍖

[limber lion]

Merileth is much better on fights where you're constantly getting resets from add-waves

Heirmir is better for constant damage without add waves

like Heirmir is better on Pantheon

[winter vapor]

So with all the adds, no need to save for gemstone windows?

ie getting resets all the time

[limber lion]

There is no gemstone windows with Merileth

That's a Heirmir conduit*

[winter vapor]

yeah sorry, being dense

[limber lion]

Ah lmao

but yeah, use them sparingly with merileth. Just avoid overcapping, saving any other bonespikes for any adds

[winter vapor]

thanks Cev, as always

[limber lion]

Good luck!

[winter vapor]

we had a possible bug on heroic guardian so just normal this week :p

[drowsy parcel]

hc anduin is rough

[limber lion]

Sure is

[drowsy parcel]

feels like a mythic boss

[limber lion]

Yeah, we're all just super undergeared without tier sets/double legos/low ilvl

I like the boss though

[zinc frost]

Look at you, rolling up to pugs and casually getting rank 1 parses

[limber lion]

Well, I don't know if it's casual if I've spent over 4 days trying to kill these bosses

I get good practice with bad groups

[zinc frost]

I do like Dausegne for sin

[limber lion]

Gonna go try my luck with Skolex next, don't have WFT this time around unfortunately

[limber lion]

Me too!

[zinc frost]

I’ll keep a look out for that third R1, keep pumping legend

[timid cloud]

Da-sausage is free as a Rogue.

Waves? Don't even KNOW the mechanic.

[bleak sky]

it's fun as fuck though

like SUPER fun

[limber lion]

<3

[viscid spear]

Is it wrong to have Halondrus as my favorite encounter in the raid?

[dense jackal]

Hey, so zoldyck is the legendary choise for m+ content?

[zinc frost]

Either zoldyck or obedience if running venthyr.

[bleak sky]

it's a good fight

[dense jackal]

i'm running venthyr, it's great on bosses but usually for the rest i'm falling way behind...in Tyrannical weeks is great, but other then that...

[obtuse robin]

we are like 40 hours from reset and only 27 guilds have guild H anduin

according to io anyway

[timid cloud]

No, it’s a good fight, neat noises & cool mechanics.

[indigo mulch]

They will 100% nerf anduin again.

;X

[obtuse robin]

how many guilds killed h sylvv like 130

first week

[timid cloud]

Also ground shaking is so cool, since no other bosses really do it so it makes sense to have something have a sense of realness.

Week 1? Fuck no.

[viscid spear]

I mean I haven't seen Pantheon or Anduin myself, but Hal's fight stands out to me

[timid cloud]

That boss was riddled with issues.

Frames being the main factor.

You’d lag out for the first 30 seconds of the boss or more.

[indigo mulch]

kek i remember that

[obtuse robin]

yea but more guilds still killed it

well tbf we r undergeared heavy

more so then sod

[timid cloud]

A lot of guilds weren’t even getting past Painsmith.

[indigo mulch]

I'd say most guilds

[timid cloud]

Even on Heroic, simply because of how the fight played out before it got nerfed.

[drifting cloud]

I mean the number he told you is correct

[bleak sky]

It's a hard fight, and it's fine that not everyone kills it week 1 right

it should be MUCH easier with 2p next week

[drifting cloud]

ofc, but the number is still alarmingly low, yeah theres 2 days left in the reset for eu

and entirely possible he gets another small nerf before reset

[limber lion]

any free looters in the chat

[drifting cloud]

but top20 guilds are struggling on it in splits

[limber lion]

Okay, there goes my 100 average

[timid cloud]

Fair enough. But also this isn’t the AOTC boss. Could be a big ‘ol pushover Jailer.

But I’m not really expecting that since Anduin is only the 8th boss & he gives a bit of trouble even on Normal.

[obtuse robin]

good tier fuck sod

[timid cloud]

I thought the raid was fine, it was only the people who made the experience miserable.

That’s why it’s easier to find enjoyment in things like that.

The fights were fine, it’s just when you get some dumbasses at Painsmith & Fatescribe you wanted to roll your eyes through the back of your head.

[balmy condor]

My healers get aggro when I vanish because of hots :)

[limber lion]

that has never happened to me

in 6 hours of doing Pantheon

[balmy condor]

Yah idk

[limber lion]

das crazy

[balmy condor]

I tried it in a pug

We didn’t kill because lmao

But I legit could not get it to work

Even once

[limber lion]

That's odd

[hollow nexus]

how can you see with the so'leah trinket what stats to get when simming?

[limber lion]

This is under simulation options in the bottom.

[hollow nexus]

aah thanks

so i just need to do 4 separate sims with the different stats right

[limber lion]

There's probably an easier way using advanced, but that should do

but honestly the answer is haste

you just want haste

[hollow nexus]

yea i was just curious about the stats how much i win/lose

[drifting cosmos]

thank you to ppl who contributed to FAQ, it's giga detailed

[obsidian aurora]

anyone mind sharing when to use cds in m+ bosses?

[timid cloud]

Uhhh, you kinda just send them on CD.

Except maybe like…DOS last boss.

You save something for the totem.

[obsidian aurora]

i been with the new affixes

[zinc frost]

I’d legit just be sending CDs and if you get CDR send them again. If it’s fort week and CDR gives you vendetta again you just just send it on prio target

[bleak sky]

this is not a thing

you asked this in sub chat and you had a great answer from LiG

play the game, use your cds and you'll have a feel for it.

[brazen zodiac]

lol

sup minal

[glass tulip]

That would be my recommendation as well, what I'm always thinking is will I have my CDs up by the time i feel like I need them? So if you are like two pulls away from a boss, that's really the only time you need to think about saving them. Or if you are going up to the enraged spirit in other side?

Something like that, otherwise. All you do is just rip it on CD and do as much damage as you can to the right targets @obsidian aurora

[hidden bloom]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spare geyser]

Hey all, are any of you facing this issue in the new raid where the boss is pulled by the tanks as normal and immediately stealth is broken? I'm a Venthyr assassination.

[glass tulip]

I have not had that problem, but also does it really matter? You should be hitting the boss in the same global anyway

[bleak sky]

my shadowstrike man

[glass tulip]

Venthyr assassin can't ss

[bleak sky]

my AMBUSH

[stray mural]

what would be better in keys? suboptimal bonespike usage or flag

[zinc frost]

What do you mean by suboptimal sbs usage? Like not getting proper snipes, resets etc?

[stray mural]

every pull in keys im garroting 3 times, spiking once, rupture, spike, spike, rupture and like after that i get lost in the sauce maintaining bleeds

i can tell which pulls i manage it successfully and which pulls i dont because the damage meter isnt completely scuffed

like sometimes i manage to let all of my bleeds fall off despite hardly pressing envenom???

[zinc frost]

Shouldn’t be falling off if your using a decent weak aura and name plate add on to track bleeds.

And with bonespike, get your charges off at the start then you focus on low hp snipes to Optimize damage. Otherwise you can roll obedience with venth, it’s better prio damage anyways

[brazen zodiac]

@past bobcat

literally any question you have can be found here, type !guides, check FAQ, look around, ask some questions. REALLY cool people here too who will help out if need be

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[brazen zodiac]

also check pins it has all the sim comparisons for sub/sin

[glass tulip]

classic tanner

[oak sky]

normal halondrus with no tea

[timid cloud]

CWINGE

[oak sky]

ill have tea tomorrow

no worries

i havent looted since vg

i for sure get tier off anduin

[glass tulip]

100%

[oak sky]

then i have 2p for halondrus heroic tomorrow LOL

that would be so free

[glass tulip]

its already free

[hollow escarp]

normal before heroic?

[oak sky]

nah

we just did through xymox on our raid days

sunday is extra

extra normal raid

[hollow river]

I haven’t looted jack shit except a cloak

Prayge for the 6 slot box

[glass tulip]

im trying to get 1800 rn so that every slot is at least 265

except 8/8 raid 😢

[clever kindle]

ayo same

I got dogshit shoulders I wont be able to use later

and a 259 chest with mastery off the world boss

biggest upgrade this week was a boe ring

[zinc frost]

Yeah I got heroic ring off guardian and it’s a dps loss. Thanks

[hollow river]

i haven't had time to push pvp vault

i might next week

[brazen zodiac]

classic mavverick

[slow marsh]

Yal like weiners

I prefer those all beef ones from costco

[timid cloud]

Glizzy God

[oak sky]

easy bro we got n andy down

didnt play ct cba to swap talents

[glass tulip]

ez clap

[nocturne geode]

got Halondrus down on heroic

😏

rank 1 healing parse 😄

[cerulean junco]

Lol nice

[glass tulip]

thats hot

dont tell agreon he fell off + ratiod + L + hes white

[nocturne geode]

LOL

[timid cloud]

• He's 4'11 + he thinks toothpaste is spicy + he rocks a bowl-cut + wears windbreakers like it's the 90's

[nocturne geode]

on the real tho that fight was fun af ngl

[misty holly]

Any idea how good the Ripped Secrets dagger set is?

Any chance it's worth using over 252s

[oak sky]

its bad

[gloomy knoll]

doesn't fit my narrative i'm gonna wear it anyways and say Agreon said it's good if asked

[oak sky]

its good

@gloomy knoll

[gloomy knoll]

i fucking knew it!

lol

[oak sky]

make sure to quote me

👍

[hollow river]

Rygelon int dagger is actually bis for rogue

[balmy condor]

Commit die

[timid cloud]

I will be passing away.

It’s BIS for sub, don’t you see? The Verse from it is so good that the weapon damage isn’t even needed nor the agi!

(That’s a joke, please do not take this seriously.)

[hollow river]

you'll never catch me coppers

[shrewd night]

BRB asking whispyr to adjust Sims so we can feed newssites some misinformation

[balmy condor]

You tryna get me fired on god

[shrewd night]

Means more time with us! Your beloved underling waifus.

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

shiennar

[shrewd night]

[reef axle]

do we still hold flag if we using obe?

[mint valve]

send it unless symbols coming up in 10 i think?

i dont remembmer

[oak sky]

wrong channel homie

[mint valve]

my bad

well

same thing

but with shiv right?>

LOOL

[oak sky]

shiv doesnt matter with flag

[thin trout]

was acutally considering using leeching poison there too

but boy avoidance/leech seem to be strong stats this tier

[limber lion]

Do we still hold flag?

We basically never hold flag unless you're syncing without missing casts

Even less so with Obedience

You send Flag on cd pretty much all the time

[north basin]

Assa beats sin in pure ST? Iam out of the loop ;(((

[warm drift]

It doesn't, but with 4p and double legendary the gap gets smaller. I assume you mean beats sub

[violet hemlock]

assa=sin

so that statement makes no sense

[north basin]

Ye sorry sub vs sin..

So if the gap small its good... given both specs 2legs+ equal gear 🙏

So i dont have to play mandatory something.

[violet hemlock]

Well u never have to play some spec unless ur like raiding in rwf guild

but ppl always make it out like u do

[thorn fjord]

Morning all!

Working sucks 😦

[spice spire]

Agreed

Would much rather be doing keys rn

[thorn fjord]

or sleeping

[spice spire]

What’s that?

[oak sky]

i need to do 1 more tommorrow for vault Deadge

[spice spire]

I need 2 more 15s for max 278 vault gear

[oak sky]

i procrastinated a little hard on this one

[spice spire]

I hate this fucking affix

[thorn fjord]

Need 1 more also -_-

and we're trying for 2 more heroic bosses tonight before reset and we dont usually raid on Mondays

[pure moth]

capped vault, but not all will be 278 rip

[spice spire]

Coupled with the fact that I’m running with a lock + dh/MM/Fury warrior and no one focuses the one they need

Yeah I’m 278/278/272

[oak sky]

Im heroic heroic normal 278 278 nothing

[thorn fjord]

They selfish about explosions? lol @spice spire

[spice spire]

I’m literally normal and that’s it
Raid #2 tonight

Lock doesn’t touch either lol

[oak sky]

Yeah we have raid 3 tonight

[spice spire]

But I meant the seasonal affix

[thorn fjord]

yeah the seasonal sucks

[clever kindle]

I got 2 heroic boxes and ill have 1 +15 m+ box so

[spice spire]

Yeah and they always want cooldowns but won’t target

It ruins my ramp

[thorn fjord]

yep

[spice spire]

And I don’t get great use of it

[thorn fjord]

I've been holding off major cc's on boss pulls during tyranical till after the vy dies

cd's* not ccs lol

[oak sky]

Urh has felt like the move most of the time tbh

[thorn fjord]

Its been a toss up.. most of my guild prefers the Vy but the pugs i've ran will mix it up between both

[spice spire]

Urh is almost always what we do

Urh is 100000000% the play while you’re undergeared I feel

[oak sky]

Vy is good if cds are about to come up sometimes for sure

[spice spire]

Healers and tanks getting more frequent cooldowns to keep people alive

[oak sky]

Wo can even be decent for some routing stuff

[spice spire]

Or I’ll use Vy when we’re overtime and about to hit a boss

[thorn fjord]

Yeah Wo is useful too

[spice spire]

Wo actually kinda cracked on DoS ngl

[oak sky]

Ye

[thorn fjord]

its nice on SD too

[oak sky]

I think this affix gives you some really interesting choices

[thorn fjord]

would imagine Hall too

[spice spire]

It gives interesting choices, just wish it wasn’t so buggy/clunky

[oak sky]

Ye

[gusty mirage]

The affix sucks

[spice spire]

It could have been implemented better

Like the choices, hate the path to get there

[oak sky]

I think the time it feels worse is when ur fighting a boss

Worst

[gusty mirage]

The best part about encrypted is that it’s not prideful or tormented

[spice spire]

It’s for sure packs for me.
Since AoE classes AoE and don’t focus

I didn’t mind tormented

[gusty mirage]

And you’re not perma slowed for the entirety of the final boss

[spice spire]

Prideful though

[thorn fjord]

i agree with agreon

i hate them on the bosses

[oak sky]

Thats not like a problem with the affix thats how you play it

[gusty mirage]

Also the geometry shapes don’t count toward the urns in SD

[oak sky]

Thats pretty lame tbh

Spiders counted

[spice spire]

I prefer timing keys but miss the numbers

[gusty mirage]

Explosives don’t anymore either

[oak sky]

Explosive is cringe

[spice spire]

Oh ALSO the fucking feather doesn’t

[oak sky]

(I say that because i dont hit them)

[spice spire]

That casts fiery cantrip

[oak sky]

Thats giga cringe

[gusty mirage]

Ah well. Back to farming mawshrooms in korthia

[spice spire]

Yeah it was an extendo kill and it didn’t die

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

Mount farmer

Lol

[spice spire]

New affix had turned him into a mount farmer

Real

[oak sky]

I could go back and get 1 more mawshroom

And get the mount

[gusty mirage]

Y’all don’t know the secret sauce?

[spice spire]

Sauce?

[gusty mirage]