unless blizzard fucked up
#assassination
bleak sky
balmy condor
you literally cannot not get it
oak sky
If you dont pick up the quest
hollow river
you literally cannot not get it
i didn't
i don't think i picked up the quest before kill
oak sky
Bet thats why
balmy condor
yeah that's a problem
hollow river
lolz
balmy condor
no quest = no drop
oak sky
Never gonna need the normal skip tho
oak sky
Its gonna be irrelevant by 4 kills
oak sky
Especially with creation catalyst
Thats as good as possible tbh
Anduin probably isnt doable for most guilds rn
Even after nerfs
hollow river
halondrus H fucks lmao
oak sky
We're doing halondrus monday
drifting cloud
thats what you get for going sub!!
balmy condor
you have an unfair advantage, you always play with a billion ping
you're used to it
oak sky
Tbh if the gold from the split lets me buy rc while still having enough for my 291 leggos i might play some sub next week
bleak sky
you have an unfair advantage, you always play with a billion ping
when I move to the MURICAS
oak sky
Lower muricas
bleak sky
that's me when I play with 10 ping
hollow river
bro my shit was freezing a lot
oak sky
Bro ur never getting 10 ping
hollow river
like i'd do 2 gcd's and lag out for 4 seconds
hollow river
i usually play with 40ms
oak sky
I live in LA and i get 20 ping on west servers
oak sky
You know I grew up 20 mins from blizzard hq lol
hollow river
also feel like sub is horrible on high ping compared to sin
sin i can lag out while im pooling
oak sky
Everything sucks on high ping
hollow river
balmy condor
You know I grew up 20 mins from blizzard hq lol
what is that in normal people lengths, like 50 feet?
balmy condor
socal fuckers really be like "I have to drive an hour to university" and they live on campus
drifting cloud
I have 20, no clue where data centers are but I doubt theyre closer than 1k km from me
oak sky
I live on campus
balmy condor
yes that's the joke keep up please
balmy condor
you walk FIFTEEN MILES to class?
oak sky
bleak sky
you walk FIFTEEN MILES to class?
up the hill twice
bleak sky
oak sky
Its downhill then uphill the way there downhill then uphill the way back
slow marsh
Hey guys
oak sky
when I move to the MURICAS
Are you actually doing this tho?
bleak sky
waiting on some stuff
slow marsh
Why are so many of you private logging
bleak sky
but it's very possible
oak sky
Damn thats cool
bleak sky
Why are so many of you private logging
you are free to check my shit parses
oak sky
U know where u would be moving?
hollow river
?
peak bobcat
Is it locked in yet
hollow river
ooh
oak sky
dont worry i havent done halondrus yet
hollow river
weird
hollow river
i have a sub log doing the same thing blades
slow marsh
I had to hold cds and it felt real bad
peak bobcat
Halondrus slaps
slow marsh
Then wehere is it getting the 81 from
bleak sky
U know where u would be moving?
LA / San Diego maybe
oak sky
pog
slow marsh
LA gross
oak sky
my hood
oak sky
so true
bleak sky
(actually not true)
oak sky
ive been in socal my whole life
balmy condor
Then wehere is it getting the 81 from
there are only 54 sin rogues who have killed heroic halondrus
balmy condor
100/54 means each position is worth 1.851% of a parse, you're in position 11, that puts you down 20.37% of a parse
slow marsh
oic
this is why you're the math guy
That means absolutely nothing but it just feels good to say sometimes
oak sky
nah
oak sky
3rd raid day is monday
balmy condor
well, it's actually n-1 so I guess you're down 18.51%, which means 81.5%
and that number makes sense
balmy condor
because whispyr is playing sub on that
you're damn right I am
slow marsh
oak sky
i dont have rc
balmy condor
you see that? that is 750 dps
hollow river
sub destroys that fight
balmy condor
yes 3 rogue specs top 3
slow marsh
Maybe if I had a second dagger and my sub simmed significantly higher then i'd play it. But I played it a few pulls and it didn't impress me much
hollow river
i was doing 10k sustained on every pull
balmy condor
but holy fuck it's not even close
oak sky
if i had rc i would
idk if i have enough extra gold for it tho
gotta conserve for 291s
grim tangle
I mean it's heroic just do the mechanics and the boss dies anyways doesn't really matter
grim tangle
hopefully they fix the miss chance before mythic so I don't have to go sub
bleak sky
I mean it's heroic just do the mechanics and the boss dies anyways doesn't reall...
yeah halondrus is not a soft damage check at all
def not a fuckfest on p3
grim tangle
it's a fuckfest because people fuck up mechanics
just do it right and it's easy with garbage damage
balmy condor
just have your healers heal p2 and p3
they don't need seeds or anything on pantheon
just run IQD and give them some mana it'll be fine
bleak sky
pantheon isn't a damage check and neither is anduin btw
anduin right now is feeling a lil sus
like the barriers are sus to heal
grim tangle
do you guys really raid 12 hours a week
bleak sky
what? no
balmy condor
like the barriers are sus to heal
the adds in p2 apparently are like near impossible damage checks before the fear comes out
balmy condor
do you guys really raid 12 hours a week
I do
minal raids uh, 18? 19? hours a week
cause he's insane
grim tangle
I mean 12 hours for world 1000 seems pretty insane already
hollow river
we're trying to halve our ranking this tier compared to last tier
first CE for the guild in SoD
balmy condor
yeah my guild added a third day for this tier cause we weren't happy with our placement last tier
hollow river
we're aiming for at least 250 US
balmy condor
nice nice
drifting cloud
16 hours at least this week
bleak sky
I mean 12 hours for world 1000 seems pretty insane already
who you calling wr 1000 buddy
tf
hollow river
<:starege:923197272064426075>
wut
balmy condor
Ryler the ethical no overtime gamer
hollow river
kek
drifting cloud
16hours in 4days?
hollow river
5
drifting cloud
oh 5 for na peps
hollow river
3/3/~4/~4/2-3
drifting cloud
omg thats somehow worse than 4x4
hollow river
i enjoyed it
progging these heroic bosses before we outgear the fuck out of them
is super fun
grim tangle
so many guilds could save tons of raiding hours by just prepping a little bit more
hollow river
i think we were pretty well prepped on those
balmy condor
just kinda farm
hollow river
yeah only last tier gear pretty much
balmy condor
but yeah Idk either
our raid lead prepped pretty hard
everyone went in knowing mechanics
hollow river
same
bleak sky
so many guilds could save tons of raiding hours by just prepping a little bit mo...
there's only so much you can prep
we're not all wfr
and people learn timing on shit by wiping as well
slow marsh
so many guilds could save tons of raiding hours by just prepping a little bit mo...
Can you send me your spreadsheets with all your strats and cd usage for rogue ? Clearly you have a huge dong so I'd love to learn from you
My man raids 4 hours a week and killed 7/11h on Monday night
What a god
grim tangle
only boss I even tried to minmax damage is prototype so far
that's definitely a boss you can wipe to lack of damage in last phase
I mean I really don't think you guys actually think all your raiders were ready for those bosses and knew mechanics beforehand and then still somehow wiped over 20 times on a single boss before anduin
surely you have all weak links in your guilds
slow marsh
oak sky
thats definitely true
balmy condor
yes, there are weaker players
oak sky
but i would say its usually poor prep on behalf of everyone
at least in my experience
not the raid leads fault
balmy condor
thats how guilds work
bleak sky
I mean I really don't think you guys actually think all your raiders were ready ...
you 8/10 yet bud
oak sky
but some people have never even seen what the boss looks like
grim tangle
no we only raided 4 hours so far
slow marsh
Me either bud they exude excellence so
balmy condor
idk why people feel the need to flex how little they raid
oak sky
do you private log anbob?
grim tangle
there was a "so far" in that sentence
balmy condor
I can play the game less than you poggers
balmy condor
uh huh
slow marsh
I raided 10 hours am I good enough for @grim tangle
oak sky
are you yellowr?
grim tangle
I really don't care how much you raid
slow marsh
Oh wait
oak sky
might sound crazy but a lot of low ranked guilds need more time
grim tangle
yeah that does seem pretty insane? but I guess they weren't raiding that much when they got that ranking
slow marsh
Somehow everything makes sense now
grim tangle
you don't raid 12 hours a week
oak sky
its 1 extra hour every raid night to do 12
if you add that on the back end its not really much more commitment tbh
grim tangle
hey groots is in your guild that's cool
oak sky
idk him hes new
grim tangle
yeah I know
spice spire
unironically think it's a good tier for you, ag.
People were too wary before, but after two tiers of crazy numbers, surely if you look, you'll find a guild that'll value you
oak sky
last tier i had to wait a long time for good logs
slow marsh
Bro
oak sky
my gear was behind for a loooong time
slow marsh
Surely I won't get denied for not raiding in BFA 
oak sky
dont worry
its happened to me a few times
at least i assume so
i know a few have definitely clearly wanted experienced players, or have let old players come play with them again etc
slow marsh
Get out shaman
oak sky
do more dam bud
spice spire
Get out shaman
mad because mister minalba is alreadyu 7/11H on 7 characters, and 8/11 on 3.
grim tangle
you could definitely join a better guild agreon, just gotta wait a couple of weeks for people to get benched or quit and then apply everywhere
bleak sky
mad because mister minalba is alreadyu 7/11H on 7 characters, and 8/11 on 3.
anduin hard
slow marsh
Minalba actually a fiend
bleak sky
but so far it's a BANGING fight
spice spire
nah, whispyr is sandbagging u dw
oak sky
my goal is to not swap into a guild thats already killed anduin or jailer
bleak sky
like by far the best fight on the raid
oak sky
that would be really ass
bleak sky
(so far)
slow marsh
Idk jailer looks lit
oak sky
yeah
bleak sky
ye ye
oak sky
i want to prog that for sure
slow marsh
Can't wait to get mollywapped by dominated warriors
spice spire
quakewar definitely a dom
slow marsh
Skolex is ezpz
oak sky
other fights are too good
oak sky
i would be ok with missing xymox prog
but
i think lihuvim wing is the preferred wing to miss
overall
if i jump
slow marsh
Ye fk the st wing
oak sky
but missing halondrus would suck
sausage should be fun pantheon is pretty fun
lihuvim is fine hopefully slightly better in mythic
ending wing is gonna bang
I'm positive
grim tangle
penultimate bosses have been garbage all of shadowlands
slow marsh
Earlier someone was like "I hope dread and rygleon are pushovers so we have some chill after anduin before jailer". I was like uhhhhh
oak sky
i hope theyre similar difficulty to anduin maybe slightly easier at worst
slow marsh
I mean they're surely gonna be overturned af
oak sky
good
grim tangle
they should be harder since they drop higher ilvl
oak sky
im gonna be honest though i read the bosses through and they look pretty good
slow marsh
They do look enjoyable
bleak sky
Earlier someone was like "I hope dread and rygleon are pushovers so we have some...
hell no
oak sky
not sure how that will apply in practice but they look nice
bleak sky
I want them to be somewhat challenging
slow marsh
Ye I want them to be harder than anduin
We got the tier for 8 months
Don't give it free
oak sky
double leggo tuning
slow marsh
Yeah
oak sky
it looks like a standard 3 phase encounter, from what i can tell he phases in a very interesting way
VERY
interesting
slow marsh
Ye should be fun
oak sky
anduin has mechs
bleak sky
you did normal anduin right
bleak sky
ok so
when the intermission is up and you have his soul
on the 2nd one you already do so much damage that it's damage capped
oak sky
yeah like mythic won't have a dps check
but that doesn't mean it won't be hard
there were no dps checks in sanctum and....
oh wait
bleak sky
sylv didn't really have a dps check anymore for us right
oak sky
no lol
I practically could solo the boss dam
we killed her with like 5 people dead multiple times
i mean in prog it was a little harder
but even then we killed it with our warrior's gear broken
like he deadass did tank damage
slow marsh
I mean sylv wasn't necessarily a hard fight it was more a war of attrition
oak sky
L
grim tangle
must be playing nadjia
oak sky
only when i got agi tea
slow marsh
Nadjia thrill lines up real nice right now if using obed
slow marsh
Which is saying something cuz I hate her
oak sky
nadjia is definitely better on some of these fights with high movement
grim tangle
theotar way better for healing parses though
slow marsh
Ofc token op
oak sky
don't I know it
trail temple
hello. for simming i am currently doing patchwerk - 1 boss - 10 minutes. is there a better way to sim than this?
trail temple
alright thanks
slow marsh
What about 40second sims
glass tulip
oak sky
nerfd
strange silo
Hey quick question 9.8k overall in dos 15 is ok?
balmy condor
sure
strange silo
alright ty!
nimble tartan
hollow river
the cov campaigns?
tame rose
i think i've peaked as a player
brazen zodiac
xd
oak sky
i think i've peaked as a player
damn theres a new king
spice spire
brazen zodiac
if we didnt have bonedusk i think maybe i do 300 more deeps
so close yet so far
i gotta get better nameplates the stackings so dog with mine lmfao
brazen zodiac
is it?
oak sky
for what
brazen zodiac
vigiliant lul
oak sky
oh
brazen zodiac
i wanna do what cev did necro seems fun
brazen zodiac
same
oak sky
during the shield
oak sky
which was really troll
slow marsh
I'm really troll
brazen zodiac
yeah but ur real cool
slow marsh
🧊
balmy condor
is it?
No it isn’t it says rank 30 right there
But it’s real funny
Cause no one plays sin rn
slow marsh
Whispyr such a hater dang
brazen zodiac
mad cuz bad
oak sky
theyre tired
brazen zodiac
tired of trash spec :(
oak sky
too much zoomin for no reward
slow marsh
You act like we need a 30% tier set to be relevant
oak sky
except outlaw is p much fine
balmy condor
yeah but so is outlaw
The difference is I don’t care about how they feel
balmy condor
Legitimately nathria pt2 atm
vestal wren
tbh sin will get a lot from 4p, so it does not need blizz to buff it
slow marsh
No we do need buffs
balmy condor
My sub sim is farther % from my sin than it was in early nathria
balmy condor
tbh sin will get a lot from 4p, so it does not need blizz to buff it
I agree, it just sucks that the start of the tier has such a skew
But it keeps it interesting I guess
So that’s cool
slow marsh
Give another 8% aura I dare them
brazen zodiac
lmfao
vestal wren
Give another 8% aura I dare them
to outlaw ?
slow marsh
😆
vestal wren
balmy condor
tbh sin is holding up quite good
Yeah it’s doing well on cleave fights
slow marsh
It's cuz truers are gonna be true
balmy condor
But then you look at like push vs cev now that they raid together
Push obliterated cev on halondrus
slow marsh
And fotmers are gonna fotm
balmy condor
Like it wasn’t even close
slow marsh
Push is a hacker man
vestal wren
but similar should happen on the covenant fight
oak sky
sin is mucho worse in pure st
balmy condor
Yeah I think it wasn’t as much though
Idk
Sin single target is sad atm
And it’s less funnel
Like yeah it cleaves
But so do 25 other specs
oak sky
tbf though sin has good st compared to other classes just not compared to sub
balmy condor
Yeah also true
oak sky
pretty good, not outlier great
balmy condor
^
vestal wren
sub/sin both did parse rly well in sod
marble hemlock
Push obliterated cev on halondrus
Considering sub gains 15-20% DMG on that boss specifically, i don't know how that is in any way a good comparison
slow marsh
Venthyr KA says otherwise
balmy condor
It’s okay though it’s end of expansion sin will scale it always does diamond hands
vestal wren
and sin did dominate cn after buffs
slow marsh
⚖️
oak sky
sin was an external whore in sod
slow marsh
And so were you
vestal wren
sin tier set has absurd value tbh^^
slow marsh
😆 😆
oak sky
kinda like rn sin was pretty close to sub in terms of tuning
marble hemlock
Assa not having melee misses is not nearly as much of a gain as it is for sub
balmy condor
Considering sub gains 15-20% DMG on that boss specifically, i don't know how tha...
15-20% is real high of an estimate, even in a vacuum compared to nothing, and even less when compared to sin, which also gains a good amount from not missing autos. I agree it’s more, but cmon
slow marsh
Memes aside I'm fine with where things seem to be falling
My only legitimate complaint is still that sub gains much more from funnel than assa
But that's whatevers
grim tangle
my main complaint is deathspike bad
vestal wren
My only legitimate complaint is still that sub gains much more from funnel than ...
sub has funnel, sin has cleave damage
i think it balances out
marble hemlock
How is it high of an estimate when you generate a shitton of extra CP and energy, and have a ~15% higher sblades uptime, vs just getting 20% more melee+instant damage, which for assa is barely a 4-5% gain at most
vestal wren
covenant fight -> sin fight
halondrus -> sub fight
slow marsh
Don't forget our poison bug is still a thing
marble hemlock
Sub is ridiculously broken on halondrus
vestal wren
funny thing is
grim tangle
is it a bug that you cant miss or did they just decide to design it that way
vestal wren
this is in part due to devs trying to not buff sub directly in where its good at
put in its sustained damage
marble hemlock
It's just the way the boss works
vestal wren
(change to sht to proc on 3/4 instead of 4/5)
marble hemlock
We've had that in the past
slow marsh
I mean it's fine that sub is good that's not the issue imo
marble hemlock
I.e krosus in night hold
vestal wren
krosus, kingaroth, potentially avatar all worked like this iirc
slow marsh
Its more that sub gets relevant tuning / fixes and assa gets aura buffs
marble hemlock
Where dh was just super huge due to not missing autos and an entirely new build being playable just for that boss
balmy condor
How is it high of an estimate when you generate a shitton of extra CP and energy...
Because https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rUqmBq5EHnekxGEqut46fj says it’s way too high
That puts the gain for sub at 6%
marble hemlock
Would love to see a sim with current gear, without 2pc that already boosts sblades uptime
marble hemlock
And keep in mind that halondrus is also a fight where you spend a significant amount of time in sub 50 dagger phase while no one else can realistically DPS well
balmy condor
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kwFM7myKXaQe7vgz1QVSSE
For reference, sin is about 3.5%
marble hemlock
Idk man, the sim has 4.4% sylv dagger in the breakdown. All the logs have at least 10-12%
marble hemlock
yeah
so how is that a good approximation of the gains were seeing on halondrus right now
its great that its easily simmable tho, like fuu said
balmy condor
because it approximates the gains from not missing
We know sub gains from daggers more than sin
That’s not earth shattering news
But it’s good because sub is good and the daggers are good primarily
And that’s balance that should be held against it
The same way it was a burden in sod
The autos missing is a cherry on top
But the primary reason why sub is good on halondrus is because it abuses sylv daggers and it’s simply better single target
balmy condor
didn't know this exists: `auto_attacks_always_land="1"`
I didn’t know either but koji drug it out of the depths of simc hell, apparently was a thing they implemented for Krosus and then never got used again
marble hemlock
why doesnt that line work for me ><
marble hemlock
no error
just says its 0% difference with and without
even though i literally copypasted your raw input
marble hemlock
balmy condor
just says its 0% difference with and without
Oh are you doing it in the same sim
It’s a sim-wide option I believe so you can’t do a quick copy
Has to be 2 sims
vestal wren
I didn’t know either but koji drug it out of the depths of simc hell, apparently...
nice
marble hemlock
are we sure that line is working correctly tho?
like
it certainly does something but
ah nvm, im dumb
with misses
so i just used pushs last sim profile with current gear, and its a bit more than what you simmed at max ilvl whispyr
but yeah, 20% is definitely a bit too high
balmy condor
Yeah like 1.5% more tops right?
balmy condor
Yep
marble hemlock
so even 15% might be a bit high, but its definitely in the ballpark of ~10% or so
just based on comparing the dmg distribution youd get in a sim, and what we actually see in logs
so my argument still stands, that using halondrus as the fight to say "look, sub is better in st than assa, and incredibly so" is a bad choice of a fight
balmy condor
Sylv daggers are just something you have to account for imo
marble hemlock
cause it certainly benefits the way sub does damage more so than it does assa
balmy condor
Like that’s just sub being sub
marble hemlock
so the already existing gap between the two just gets increased further
balmy condor
Sure
I agree that it’s not a fair comparison the same way cleave on sub vs cleave on sin isn’t a fair comparison
marble hemlock
sure, but the same way we say that sub vs assa was a bit of an unfair comparison on sylvanas due to barely hitting 3stacks the entire fight, needs to also be applied on a fight that is significantly better for the daggers, like hal
balmy condor
One of them is significantly better geared for it
marble hemlock
obviously the spec benefitting from it more, is gonna perform even better comparatively on a fight that is suited for it
we wouldnt be using vigilant guardian damage to boss to compare st either for that same reason
overall this hc clear i didnt feel bad at all playing assa on any of the fights
and i was trolling on some of them playing ct/subterfuge everywhere
balmy condor
Yeah idk
I see the logs
But I just can’t get myself to play it
There’s a better option sitting right next to it
marble hemlock
thats because youre weak
months of sylv prog as sub has made your bones brittle, your mind weakened, and youve become a shell of a man
timid cloud
Whispyr on that Black Powder gang shit.
trail temple
if i dismantle my legendary will i get all the parts back or just the soul ash. looking to make Obedience instead
lunar otter
timid cloud
i am using dashing scoundrel. is that worth doing?
Yes, you currently use Dashing if you are the other covenants primarily, as many use Obedience with Venthyr for Single Target.
trail temple
Yes, you currently use Dashing if you are the other covenants primarily, as many...
ok thanks
strange python
Urh giving vend cdr only to take it away is fucking troll
ashen scroll
It doesn't even apply to dance or symbols
marble hemlock
Urh giving vend cdr only to take it away is fucking troll
it doesnt
its an UI issue
weakauras and stuff show the remaining CD based on the cdr as long as its active
strange python
I was checking actual spell on spell bars to be sure.
marble hemlock
standard UI just counts down the CD correctly, which gets boosted
strange python
It gave me jackshit
marble hemlock
my flag was losing 3sec cd for every sec that expired
strange python
My flag was. My vend was ticking fully normally.
marble hemlock
so after it ran out it had like 30sec left
but WA showed 10sec
until it expired
then the WA went back to 30 as well
yeah, a bunch of abiltiies arent affected by it atm
strange python
Right. Flag did that. I wasnt getting any vend CD at all
marble hemlock
didnt pay attention to vendetta when i was playing assa
sbs doesnt get reduced
neither does sdance/symbols
cold rampart
sonic schooner
Because execute is usually a good option in progress
oak sky
people are only going it on pantheon
on pantheon its because its better and does more damage
balmy condor
ty
limber lion
only boss to use zold on is pantheon
And Vigilante
limber lion
people are only going it on pantheon
And Vigilante
viscid spear
limber lion
???
balmy condor
but I guess if you're tryna pad adds like a parse whore
limber lion
The boss literally starts at 30% and you get 0 value from Obedience during the adds
The entire boss is in execute
limber lion
Yes
balmy condor
hellfire citadel vibes
gloomy knoll
rotund oak
Cev's r1 parse on vigilant guardian 
what a chad
Is necro pulling ahead venthyr b4 set pieces?
marble hemlock
no
but the difference is small
venthyr/fae pull ahead more the further you get into rental powers, so 4pc/double leggo make necro worse by comparison, than it is rn
rugged meadow
hello can anyone link what two legos would work together well on on assass? kind find anything on the net
marble hemlock
marble hemlock
Theres also multiple guides on the internet that go into plenty of detail on that, so dunno how much you actually looked :>
zinc frost
venthyr/fae pull ahead more the further you get into rental powers, so 4pc/doubl...
Imagine a world where deathspike was actually decent in ST
marble hemlock
Googling "bis assassination legendary" gets me the Wowhead, Method and Icy Veins Guides, all of which answer your question :>
rugged meadow
Theres also multiple guides on the internet that go into plenty of detail on tha...
i only saw it on single lego
and i dont like using icyveins for guides
marble hemlock
hollow river
i thought vigilante guardian started at 50%?
marble hemlock
Both have double legendary listed.
And as the author of the IV guides, may I ask why you don't like using them?
marble hemlock
Like, I'd obviously like to get feedback on what makes people not wanna use it, whether its stuff like layout or information contained in them. Anything that helps make them better is a welcome suggestion 🙂
But yeah in any case, you can always check the pins in this channel or the #assassination-faq for information like that, and all the guides are up to date on them as well.
!guides
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
rugged meadow
okay thanks for the help!!
marble hemlock
Anytime.
molten galleon
Can I refresh the durration of Crimson Tempest and if on what left durration ? 🙂
wild mural
yes, 3-4s
subtle tundra
❤️ you too
kindred dune
can anyone share a video of how to play assa in m+? I googled a bit but didn’t find any real gameplay where the actual spell usage is shown
I have troubles finding the right rotation it seems
spice spire
Videos are difficult to do, as the spec can change by patch. And even optimization can occur within a patch.
Often, you’d be better off reading a guide then looking for a streamer that’s just casually playing.
That way you’ll at least have an indication on what you’re doing, but you can see what someone else is doing in real time
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
dusky tide
Any sims about new procs on new 262 crafted gear?
spice spire
All three of these are written by high profile, world class rogues. And I do recommend any of them
limber lion
I have troubles finding the right rotation it seems
There is no set rotation for assassination in m+
There's just a set of rules you have to follow and things to keep in mind
spice spire
I skimmed over m+ 
limber lion
- You have to keep SnD up at all times with Envenom usage
- You want to use cooldowns as much as possible
- You want to maintain CT on 2+ targets at all times
- You want to use garrote on cooldown and rupture everything that you can
If everything around you has rupture, gar and CT applied, you start slamming Envenoms
Once a bleed enters pandemic, you reapply that bleed
timber gale
did a few bosses on sin today and a weird question bc it’s been a few weeks
limber lion
Mobs closer to death don't need to have bleeds reapplied because you want to guarantee close to maximum value, so slam Envenoms instead
What's up?
kindred dune
1. You have to keep SnD up at all times with Envenom usage
2. You want to use co...
ty 🙂
it seems that I dont really have time to use any envenoms, so I was wondering how important SnD is in the first place
I'm kinda just trying to rupture everything
but I think I didnt use enough CT overall
timber gale
I have so much crit now my opener always gives me 4cp; do I still want to snd that? I was having more success with like, garrote -> snd -> mut -> begin vend + flag combo point dumping but I’m out of practice with the ‘launch sequence’ of venthyr
limber lion
it seems that I dont really have time to use any envenoms, so I was wondering ho...
SND is the single bigges thing
timber gale
I didn’t raid a lot in sod on rogue but now I have like 40% crit bc of it lmao
marble hemlock
Keep in mind that assa is one of those specs that gets to choose how to use every GCD, as you have the choice between an aoe finisher or singletarget finisher when spending CP, or using an aoe or singletarget CP builder as well. So youll always have to adjust gameplay based on what the current pack or pull needs
rotund oak
SND is the single bigges thing
teach me the ways of the assa rogue mr rank 1 zoldyck parser
timber gale
I haven’t made a rogue legendary in over a year ya boy is still rocking the 235 zoldyck legs
limber lion
I have so much crit now my opener always gives me 4cp; do I still want to snd th...
As Venthyr you'd still want to do Mutilate - Slice - Mutilate. We've tried all combinations before and they're all within margin honestly. If you get a cheeky 20s pulltimer, you can use MfD and Slice pre-pull and start with Garrote - Muti - Flag instead.
umbral rapids
Lmao
marble hemlock
Zoldyck masterrace, tbh
timber gale
luckily this tier I will finally Do That
limber lion
Starting gar - slice - muti is honestly just as good, but doesn't make too much of a difference
marble hemlock
Seems like a good legendary again this tier. The boss design in SoD kinda made Zoldyck a bit of a bad option
timber gale
Yeah it was more that it felt bad to sink like 3-4 cp into a slice and dice when Envenom keeps it infinite anyways
limber lion
I haven’t made a rogue legendary in over a year ya boy is still rocking the 235 ...
Good thing there's 2 great Zoldyck fights in Sepulcher and it's the best legendary in m+ so you're chilling
rotund oak
looks dope,gonna craft it 100%
marble hemlock
Few bosses that really needed high sustained DPS during the last phase, but SotFO has plenty of those
rotund oak
thinking if it acutally buffs sepsis as well
umbral rapids
Good thing there's 2 great Zoldyck fights in Sepulcher and it's the best legenda...
Panth and lords of dread ?
timber gale
so garrote snd was feeling Better but clearly there’s a much shorter window to get the envenoms running
limber lion
Yeah it was more that it felt bad to sink like 3-4 cp into a slice and dice when...
Yeah definitely, that's why we want to do Bonespike - Slice as Necrolord because the single combo point is enough to retain it. But it doesn't really matter either way
marble hemlock
single combo point 
limber lion
so garrote snd was feeling Better but clearly there’s a much shorter window to g...
You can honestly do either. I think I simmed it and it was within margin, like within 3 dps
marble hemlock
sometimes it gives 2! 😛
umbral rapids
Rarely now 
limber lion
I get my sbs parried too often :'(
timber gale
Yeah from just today raid leading it felt like Guardian, Pantheon, Halondrus, Xymox, and Anduin are all pretty important burn phases
marble hemlock
But yeah, I think we tried a bunch of different openers at some point, and realized that changing certain abilities in the opening sequence barely makes a difference in overall DPS output. Like 3-5 DPS seems about right
limber lion
Like honestly one of the most fun encounters I've played in a while, excluding Sylvanas
kindred dune
Good thing there's 2 great Zoldyck fights in Sepulcher and it's the best legenda...
is zoldyck also good even when you're venthyr (for m+)?
marble hemlock
Gotta make sure to pool SBS charges before p3 though, cause they lose the debuffs when P3 starts
timber gale
especially Halondrus - we listed on the 2nd reclaim bc he was below 50% and it’s so funny bc after that it’s like
50% burn phase good luck lmao
limber lion
is zoldyck also good even when you're venthyr (for m+)?
Yes! Obedience allows for more prio damage, but Zoldyck usually offers more overall damage if you're into that. Either is fine for stuff like 15's
timber gale
had him at 25% before he got back in the ground and still had a billion orbs and almost didn’t make it
Crazy fun fight
spice spire
Can’t beat cev’s typing 
umbral rapids
That fight is so sick
marble hemlock
I think for Anduin youll probably play something that boosts damage during the LK phase though. Ultimately youll just do more damage that way due to the 200% damage buff, to have the boss lower already when the burn phase actually starts
limber lion
Yeah, it gets super hectic towards the end - and I love it
umbral rapids
No parry too pog
marble hemlock
Venthyr seems pretty good there as you have a lot of adds that give consistent 5cp FoKs
limber lion
Honestly I've enjoyed every single boss this tier so far. Of course mythic versions and killing stuff on farm for 6 months will kill the enjoyment out of any encounter
but so far so good 
marble hemlock
You enjoyed Vigilant Guardian? :>
spice spire
Honestly I've enjoyed every single boss this tier so far. Of course mythic versi...
Even vigilant 
echo geyser
rotund oak
Cev is special 😄
limber lion
I started enjoying Vigilante a bit after I switched to Zoldyck and wanted to parse whore
umbral rapids
kek
limber lion
I do think it's the most boring fight we've had since Legion
marble hemlock
eonar 
spice spire
Literally the only fight that I have a negative feeling toward.
The rest of it has been fantastic
echo geyser
Parsers can make enjoyment out of anything it seems
limber lion
But here's a secret for any parse whores out there
echo geyser
kindred dune
so Zoldyck legendary for feet slot, correct?
umbral rapids
I do think it's the most boring fight we've had since Legion
It’s much better on mythic tbh
limber lion
Just join a group with shitters who are at like 230-240 ilvl
umbral rapids
But yeah hc is bad
spice spire
so Zoldyck legendary for feet slot, correct?
So as not to interfere with tier, yes.
limber lion
If you're in a group of massive gamers at 255+ ilvl, you barely get to touch adds
spice spire
Otherwise, it would have been legs
limber lion
but when there's 20 players sitting at 230 ilvl, you're mega chilling
I've honestly not looked into the mythic fights at all yet, might need to take a peak
rotund oak
Parsing elevated to science
spice spire
We about to see the like 500 Cev logs in heroic again?
limber lion
Only got one public parse so far :(
spice spire
😦
limber lion
Also won't be boosting much or at all this tier, so eh
spice spire
Pushnoir pushing his anti-ceverion propaganda 
/s
marble hemlock
20man anduin tonight, gonna be fun playing that fight with more than 10fps
rotund oak
20man anduin tonight, gonna be fun playing that fight with more than 10fps
got pizza rdy for the oven,plz stream 😄
marble hemlock
will do for sure, dw
rotund oak
❤️
kindred dune
So as not to interfere with tier, yes.
sorry last question: stats still haste, crit for m+ right?
marble hemlock
Depends a bit on what part of your DPS you wanna prioritize improving. Haste is the worst stat for AoE, Mastery the best
But Haste is much better than Mastery on st (until we get 4pc+double leggo)
marble hemlock
Crit is really solid for both, so id recommend going like 40-45% crit, and then balance haste+mastery
kindred dune
so for the legendary you would take crit, mastery then?
marble hemlock
Depends a bit on your remaining gear. I have my Zoldyck with Crit/Mastery but I had very little haste with the SoD gear, so I recrafted a new one with crit+haste instead for tyrannical weeks
limber lion
so for the legendary you would take crit, mastery then?
I think you're overvaluing the meaning of stats here. You honestly don't have to think about them too too hard
marble hemlock
Assa is a lot about choosing whether you wanna do the most AoE you can do, or the most ST you can do. Depending on that choice, you either go crit+haste or crit+mastery.
limber lion
Focus on your gameplay first before you start minmaxing stats 
marble hemlock
Yeah
kindred dune
thanks so much for your replies 🙂
marble hemlock
Stats make very little difference compared to optimizing actual gameplay. Assa is probably one of the most difficult specs to play "correct" on AoE, if you can even call it that
kindred dune
I have 37% crit, 17% haste, 22% mastery at the moment
limber lion
Seli is obviously playing at a very high level so he has to do more optimization. You don't have to worry about stats, just get the rotation down
If you don't know what buttons to press in AoE, you're not ready to minmax stats
kindred dune
thanks!
marble hemlock
Not even sure what stats I'd play on Pantheon Zoldyck, haste seems kinda unnecessary on 4t cleave 
marble hemlock
Basically, if your SnD drops on 4t or more, its because you're not being as efficient with your resource/CP usage as you should be
Still happens to me sometimes too
When I miscast a rupture somewhere or refresh CT too early, I knwo that somewhere down the line ill drop my snd as a result, even if it happens 20sec later
viscid spear
All this Zoldyck talk 
echo geyser
limber lion
I would like to emphasize that Zoldyck is overall a terrible legendary choice for single target. The strength in Zoldyck is the niche that it provides
viscid spear
Is it worth crafting then?
limber lion
If you really need execute, it might be a good choice
It is, because it's our best legendary in m+ and best legendary on Pantheon
spice spire
Burn phases are important on quite a few fights. That’s where it would succeed.
That and pantheon is a lock
limber lion
Maybe on some other bosses as well, who knows
limber lion
Yeah. Could still be good on that for the last burn phase on the boss, which is the important bit
But who knows
Guilds will probably one-bang it anyway
viscid spear
Loot pinata
marble hemlock
Zoldyck has always had value on fights where the damage checks up to the execute/last phase arent that tight
opaque creek
What's the target number to drop garrote ?
limber lion
What's the target number to drop garrote ?
2345890890346
marble hemlock
Shadowlands just didn't really have a lot of those encounters, with Denathrius being the only example of Zoldyck being really good
limber lion
@opaque creek You never drop garrote, you never drop CT, you never drop SND, you never drop rupture
marble hemlock
P1/P2 DPS barely mattered on that fight, but P3 was very tight on the DPS check, so it was "bis" there.
opaque creek
It's impossible to keep Rupture, SnD, CT and have Garrote almost always on CD on 4 targets
limber lion
It is not
viscid spear
P1/P2 DPS barely mattered on that fight, but P3 was very tight on the DPS check,...
I remember Sire prog on my Alli guild, trying to get through P1 quickly
marble hemlock
It's possible
limber lion
Garrote is impossible to keep up that's correct
marble hemlock
The less crit you have, the harder itll be tho
limber lion
because it's limited to 3 targets without use of subterfuge
oak sky
What the fok
limber lion
but everything else is fine
viscid spear
What the fok
The FoK is you
spice spire
Someone who hasnt slept yet
viscid spear
Sleep in the shower dumdum
opaque creek
So every minute, you need to land on average: 9 ruptures, 9 garrote, 5 CT, 4 envenom so that's 18 finisher aka you can do max 2 builder between finishers and even with the little extra help from SBS generation, that's impossible
marble hemlock
Garrote is a builder
viscid spear
Dude are your tanks pulling a dozen groups?
marble hemlock
We're talking about Pantheon
limber lion
So every minute, you need to land on average: 9 ruptures, 9 garrote, 5 CT, 4 env...
You're complicating it way too much
oak sky
I know i didnt peak
marble hemlock
2 builders between finishers is absolutely normal, considering with 40-50% fok crit were looking at 3cp per fok, on average.
viscid spear
Wait did I miss when SunL asked about Panth? I thought he was asking in general
limber lion
You just press garrote on cooldown, it's literally a free generator ability and doesn't cost anything on 4 targets because you're at energy saturation
marble hemlock
i mean its even easier on bigger pulls
limber lion
You have 60 gcd's on 4 targets per minute
marble hemlock
Since you get higher CP generation with more targets
limber lion
because you're at energy saturation
It's not impossible by any stretch of the word, you just need to get used to it
not refresh stuff too early
and you're chilling
marble hemlock
The only way anything is running out, is if you messed smth up. Which is totally fine, because its not easy at all to do any of what we're talking about
Multidotting "perfectly" in melee with stampedes and tornados happening and knockbacks and dodging spears, is hard.
marble hemlock
I didnt even play Zoldyck on our kill 
oak sky
Bro i had deathly shadows on by accident for a good 4 pulls
oak sky
Ok time for bedge
marble hemlock
do i play venthyr for anduin tonight? 
viscid spear
I haven't seen Panth, was gonna try and pug Heroic tonight
opaque creek
I think I'll drop a few rupture here and there then
hollow escarp
do i play venthyr for anduin tonight? <:monkaHMM:537999299439493126>
first public assa log inc? 
marble hemlock
I dont actually know which ability is the least DPS loss to "drop" if you misplayed. I just kinda wing it
opaque creek
back in legion it was drop garrote
marble hemlock
Kinda depends on the situation
opaque creek
since it auto generates 1 cp
limber lion
bruh
limber lion
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marble hemlock
AP coefficients have changed a lot since then
limber lion
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opaque creek
5 cp per 2 builders
limber lion
garrote is literally our best ability
and it's not even close
like literally the best button we have
in the entire kit
it does damage, it generates energy, it generates cp, it's cheap
viscid spear
Back in the Legion the thing that dropped was not your BiS leggo
limber lion
it's literally the best ability in the entire kit
And like you said
IT GENERATES 1 CP
Rupture uses 5 cp
why would you want to use 3 abilities to get one rupture off
but not 1 ability
for one garrote
sounds pretty blasphemous to me
but yeah, the game changes with every single patch
limber lion
no wonder some things change
viscid spear
The more things change the more laundry you have.