assassination

[brazen zodiac]

but yeah should probs stay away from them otherwise whisp will come and steal your nose

[slow marsh]

stat weights are pointless is all

[autumn frost]

But 50% crit feels so nice for consistency on sin :(

[slow marsh]

you can get one piece of gear that changes the entire chart

[vestal wren]

stat wights are fine, just need to be re-done every time you change a gear piece

so not that great

[brazen zodiac]

yeah

hi fuuu

[vestal wren]

you basically do redundent work if you use stat wights, also hi

[slow marsh]

Ye it doesn't do anything top gear doesn't

[autumn frost]

Not having rng on opener is nice.

[vestal wren]

also we all know the magical 33.
33% crit and 33% mastery
(jk ofc)

[slow marsh]

we still have some rng on open but ye not as bad as 9.1 i think

[brazen zodiac]

magic number for vers tho is 23%

dont forget

[vestal wren]

that seems to high

just take a multiple of 3

[brazen zodiac]

i honest to god wouldnt know ive only ever played sin rogue and havent seen it above like 5% i think

[vestal wren]

so 3x3 = 9% versa

stick with the magic 33

[brazen zodiac]

ik sub is like versa lovers unite kinda thing i think

33 is a scary number

its like 32 but even scarier

idk if i can do it........

[vestal wren]

ye sub rly likes versa

[brazen zodiac]

so cute i hope versa loves sub too

totally ship it

[hollow river]

Your boy got a new gpu finally

[brazen zodiac]

gpu?

[obtuse robin]

dam

[brazen zodiac]

either way pog!

[hollow river]

Graphics card

[obtuse robin]

i just ordered a new cpu and mb like an 1 hour ago

[hollow river]

Cpu will come next

[brazen zodiac]

oh pog pog

[obtuse robin]

5900x

[hollow river]

But my 1030gt had to go

[brazen zodiac]

yo black wanna paly league?

[hollow river]

My shit would stutter mid pull and I’d overcap CP

[obtuse robin]

im doing some research on something atm i can play like in a hour or so

[brazen zodiac]

what u researchin

[hollow river]

I’m bout to tear shit up

[obtuse robin]

on ups

[brazen zodiac]

same but i cant get it fixed so i just have to cope

ah gl

[obtuse robin]

unterruptable power source

[brazen zodiac]

actually changing my resolution to 1240:720 or whatever it is made it super easy to play

but before that sasuage lady fight was AWFUL

[cerulean nest]

for pantheon p3 with zold and subterfuge is it better to vanish-garrote at the beginning of the phase with lust or save vanish for when the bosses are at 30% health?

[limber lion]

Vanish immediately

Get those bleeds up and running insta

[cerulean nest]

fsho

also whats the best sim format for the fight? just deciding between trinkets

[limber lion]

Just sim 2 targets and 4 targets

I personally would focus all my efforts on p3, meaning I'd sim 4 targets starting at 50% hp

[cerulean nest]

word I'll try it

ty

[limber lion]

enemy_initial_health_percentage=50

[brazen zodiac]

lol hi cev

how are u

[cerulean nest]

where do I stick that? custom APL says its an invalid command

[limber lion]

expert mode, header

[cerulean nest]

bless

[limber lion]

jk header

[cerulean nest]

blessx2

[gusty mirage]

Has anyone ever told you how wonderful you are?

[cerulean nest]

lmao

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jTQz8bpxABqcCYypHjzJxt

well this'll be fun

[brazen zodiac]

is that patchwork 2 min 4 bosses ?

[pure moth]

Is this a permanent play on the encounter? Zold, deeper. Or just for progression until we get gear and things die faster?

[limber lion]

Permanent

[balmy condor]

like my love for you

[limber lion]

Probably playing Duskwalker's with 4p though

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

<3

[cerulean nest]

5 mins, forgot to change the time

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m93sRf6gPthYKJLLv2ikKN

theres 2 mins

[brazen zodiac]

hm guess ill take a look at mine

are you doing this in top gear or

[limber lion]

Yes

but it literally doesn't matter

just play those talents

with zoldyck

you don't have to sim every gear for it

[brazen zodiac]

hm

okie dokie

[cerulean nest]

I was just curious about trinkets. it wants Eye trinket over the others I have

[limber lion]

Yeh

[vestal wren]

what fight style is that that you are on 20k dps

[oak sky]

4T 50% 2 min i think

[vestal wren]

ah okay

[cerulean nest]

I see you with that #1 spot @oak sky

[oak sky]

[limber lion]

gamer moves

[safe patrol]

Do you do more auto attack damage/melee than a sub rogue in raid?

[limber lion]

why does that matter?

[oak sky]

we probably do because we have more haste tho

[safe patrol]

Cause mine was much higher than the sub rogue in raid with wft so just curious

[limber lion]

we definitely do, especially when using the cos ring

[safe patrol]

Aaa yeah I played with a lot of haste

[limber lion]

yeah you really shouldn't look at melee ever

it's passive thing

[safe patrol]

And cos ring

[limber lion]

never ever compare melee

[safe patrol]

No no I was just curious

[limber lion]

Yeye sure sure

[thorn fjord]

Cev bullying people now

[safe patrol]

Was just first time properly raiding with windfury so why I looked a bit at melee

[limber lion]

[cerulean nest]

I said NEVER look at it

[kindred heron]

Cev when are we getting logs to learn from and analyze

[oak sky]

theres been a lot of arguments today

[limber lion]

Oh, what'd I miss?

[limber lion]

During farm :')

[brazen zodiac]

ive learned so much from agreons long in the last 3 hours

my brains gonna explode

too many gars to keep up with

[oak sky]

me and seli then sapzilla and the entire channel argued

its pretty much resolved

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

well me and seli is resolved idk about sapzilla

[brazen zodiac]

what were u guys talking about

the outlaw stuff?

[oak sky]

nah me and seli were talking about something else but it was kinda stupid

[brazen zodiac]

meh

wouldnt say stupid if it was worthy enough to bring up a big discussion

:D

agreon do u play league

[oak sky]

yeah

[brazen zodiac]

do u wanna play a game?

[oak sky]

im doing some ZM stuff rn

maybe some other time

[brazen zodiac]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/693661973065236550/945846868913582110/caption.gif

[oak sky]

but yeah bottom line people are gonna see any tiny thing today and think more drama is gonna start

[brazen zodiac]

:c

[limber lion]

Okay glad to hear it's nothing too serious

[brazen zodiac]

im not gonna lie without my glasses that emote looks like a pregnant pepe

had to squint for that one cev

[oak sky]

theres another version with a third leg

[brazen zodiac]

i thought it was like a fetus kicking lmfao

[bleak sky]

not this one

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

sup minal

[bleak sky]

waddup

[brazen zodiac]

dying cuz my bfs dad cooking chicken but its so spicy the air itself is like

hard to breathe? idk wtf hes doin down there LMFAO

i smell the cooking and the spices are burning my nose lmfao

[bleak sky]

at leastt it's seasoned

[indigo mulch]

Sounds amazing 😮

[brazen zodiac]

itll taste great in a burrito

[indigo mulch]

After I worked in a Korean restaurant my version of spicy has just dramatically changed.

[brazen zodiac]

hm

[grizzled jay]

hi memers

[hollow river]

Wut

[balmy condor]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ConcreteCourteousFluke-mobile.mp4

[limber lion]

I wish that was me

[brazen zodiac]

i like

visually hear that imagine and idk how to feel

[balmy condor]

visually hear

[brazen zodiac]

precisely

ur emotes so cute god

[limber lion]

visually hear

imagine

[brazen zodiac]

imagine

[hollow river]

Can you physically imagine?

[brazen zodiac]

if you're high enough yeah i think so

[hollow river]

Must be some really good lsd

[brazen zodiac]

yeah pretty much

[hollow river]

I can’t wait to slap this GPU in

After raid ig

[brazen zodiac]

i cant wait to do something with this spicy marinated chicken

burrito for everyone

[hollow river]

🤤

[glass tulip]

I could hear colors when I got really high

That one was interesting

[oak sky]

its called synesthesia

[brazen zodiac]

oh thats cool

[oak sky]

pretty cool shit

or maybe its spelled synesthaesia

cant remember

[brazen zodiac]

idk how yall get that kinda high my highs are like someones gonna find me and kill me but im vibing kinda high

not see blue and talk to purple about the weather in africa

mav u should tell them about ur edible experience lmfaooo based

[oak sky]

im not a stoner like you guys

[brazen zodiac]

idk i wouldnt call myself a stoner

[oak sky]

either way

[brazen zodiac]

sure i smoke weed 24/7 but like thats apart of life routine at this point so like is it really being a stoner

file some paperwork hit the bong do some more paperwork ezpz

also Synesthesia is when you hear music, but you see shapes. Or you hear a word or a name and instantly see a color. Synesthesia is a fancy name for when you experience one of your senses through another

pretty cool close enough

[oak sky]

isnt that what hearing colors is

like

exactly

[glass tulip]

I've been high 2 times in my life and it's been in the past month lmao

[oak sky]

ok

[glass tulip]

Would call myself an alcoholic before a stoner

[oak sky]

ill amend my statement

i dont get high

[glass tulip]

Straight edge andrew

[bleak sky]

[oak sky]

not quite

[bleak sky]

bi edge andrew

[oak sky]

uh

no 🍆

not a fan of that

[timid cloud]

Not what I heard.

Cause you love it when Oxi just FUCKS YA

[oak sky]

true

:c

[timid cloud]

:3c

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confusion-shocked-shock-hmm-gif-16655331

[viscid spear]

oxi is a firm but fair lover.

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/donaldduck-sleep-gif-5122603

[viscid spear]

Cydone is in position

[oak sky]

i just got deepstar polyp rng all my fishing was a waste

[glass tulip]

Ez

But also sad

[brazen zodiac]

whats it like

sounds fun

[viscid spear]

Straight edge

[limber lion]

Is this assassination chat or dank weed ganja 420 chat?

[slow marsh]

LET ME SEE THAT COCK BOI

🐓

[viscid spear]

I am a pure soul, Cev

[cold rampart]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Haste > Vers > Mastery
Note: Having a frost set equipped makes crit much better, usually making it your best stat by a good margin.

[ocean cipher]

Hey gamers! We're startin with daddy Halondrus tonight. Do we like Nadjia for this fight if venthyr?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

high movement 🤤

[viscid spear]

Had some people saying to stay in front of Hal while he moves in order to not get knocked in the wrong direction.
Problem is they don't know it's the orb that pops up so they're not positioning themselves correctly and get yeeted off the bridge during transition

[balmy condor]

[viscid spear]

I love the fight though, he's THICC and he SUCCS

[zinc frost]

It’s funnier when people follow you and go “this guy knows which direction to go” then suddenly shadow step whilst everyone else gets yeeted

[viscid spear]

I had pugged it and we had wiped a few times, one of which involved the tank getting pushed out of the room before it got closed off

[kind talon]

that would be me

not oxi

[bleak sky]

raid time

prayge for tier set

[viscid spear]

So I, along with a few other people, emphasized the importance of priotizing staying ahead of him over damage.
Then we killed it with no deaths.

[junior rampart]

Raid bosses feels much easier than this week's tyra bosses in m+. Their HP don't go down at all.😅

[viscid spear]

Yeah apparently the m+ bosses' health was doubled

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion

[obtuse robin]

yea 15's are 20's now and boss hp doubled

[balmy condor]

L + nerfed + raid trinkets pog

[gusty mirage]

yeah lemme go check my bags for those real quick

oh wait

[balmy condor]

don't worry

they'll get tuned

big buffs

[gusty mirage]

you're just mad I didn't show you my toes

[balmy condor]

I am

[junior rampart]

timewalking cache has chance to drop tier piece?

[balmy condor]

no

[junior rampart]

oh! not worth doing.

Thank you Whispyr

[balmy condor]

definitely is worth doing

[echo geyser]

[hollow escarp]

Free transmog

[echo geyser]

whats the 2nd highest valor score?

[dawn ivy]

wut

[echo geyser]

for step 11

whats the score req

2.4k is for max valor upgrade

but whats the 2nd highest

[marble hemlock]

you sure about the 2.4k?

like a day or 2 ago it said 2k score

on the l12 one

[balmy condor]

I thought it said 3k on l12

to match with the 3k KSM

[echo geyser]

wtf

[balmy condor]

[echo geyser]

thats not intended but good

they added 2 new dungeons with same req as 8 dungeons in s2

insta pf farm then

3k should be for the 278 conduit, but still timegated by revered chapter 7 or w/e

[violet hemlock]

hc panth seems like such a clusteruck

[brazen zodiac]

yeah but its a fun clusterfuck

[violet hemlock]

not when the tanks keep the bosses in the nados

and I cant hit the boss

[brazen zodiac]

idk if thats a tank thing tbh its a bullshit ability

but she spawns it right by her side or in general in melee so just instantly move ig lol

[obtuse robin]

first wave of class nerfs r here

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[frosty cedar]

all according to the plan

[glass tulip]

2500 is KSM / max valor upgrade

[balmy condor]

then why's selis thing say 2400

[bleak sky]

7/11H

no tier

died on free bosses

[balmy condor]

we get it, your guild is better

[bleak sky]

no no we're getting it too homie

[gusty mirage]

Wait y’all didn’t get halondrus yet?

[spice spire]

If they were better they’d be 8/11

Hello?

[bleak sky]

we can't, whispyr is doing 6k dps as sub

[gusty mirage]

Yo you’re actually toxic wtf

[bleak sky]

holy shit look at that 10/10 man in a suit

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

I miss the old Minalba, the kind gentle soul who hadn’t turned into a fiend

[spice spire]

Man’s flaming an assassination OTP for playing sub

[gusty mirage]

???? He didn’t mention me anywhere

[bleak sky]

now fr tho

[spice spire]

The guide writer himself hello?

[bleak sky]

oxi you look good as fuck

[spice spire]

Sin really is horniest channel damn

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

it aint even horny

it's just an honest legitimate compliment

[spice spire]

Aight homie boner check then

[bleak sky]

flaccid 100%

depression man

[spice spire]

Ahhh real

[balmy condor]

sorry I had to scroll my details

its just

[spice spire]

Well I hope an you get an ounce of life from your interactions here mister minalba.
The world is a worse place without you

[balmy condor]

you're so far behind

[spice spire]

There’s so much NF in a row

That’s so cursed

[bleak sky]

wait you don't have details nicknames enabled?

that's disgusting

[slender berry]

What are those dps numbers

Is that 9.0??

[balmy condor]

dangerous stuff to stream my guy

[oak sky]

true

[bleak sky]

fair fair

[slow marsh]

Imagine only doing 6.7k as an arms prolly in wft group

[balmy condor]

I wanted to turn it on for raid specifically

but I think there's some streamer mode shit I have turned on

that blocks it

or something

idk

[slow marsh]

Also I played kyrian sub for hhalondrus and it felt weird, not doing that again I think

[bleak sky]

man I'm omega sad

I was at 10.3k before going into the 3rd room

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

Maybe if I had double dags but

[bleak sky]

I was about to BLAST

[balmy condor]

legit the best fucking spec on that fight

[slow marsh]

Ik

[bleak sky]

but my shadowstep didn't go off on the kknockback

mouseover macro

I just deleted this fucking macro

[slow marsh]

I ditched mouse over step a long time ago

[balmy condor]

I ditched my last mouseover with pantheon prog

[bleak sky]

sbs mo?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[slow marsh]

Naaaaaaaaaa sbs mo still too good

Imo

I did clean up my plater after it tho

[balmy condor]

I just click the target

in aoe you can't mouseover the right target

and in cleave it fucks you over cause you mouseover the wrong one

so like

[slow marsh]

Just wait for deathspike then it won't matter

[balmy condor]

what even is the point

[slow marsh]

If I'm being honest tho for pantheon I stopped looking at nameplates and just looked at the boss bars on the right to track my bleeds

Cuz fuck that

[uncut sluice]

Sorry if this has been asked but I haven't seen it. On Dausegne - Staggering Barrage.. If someone gets targeted by it and I need to help soak but am low on hp, can I cloak it and still count as a soak person for damage distribution, or will that effectively act like I am not part of the soak?

[glass tulip]

Idk man I'm drunk, also 7/11H + 30% anduin wasn't hard, what is your guild doing

Also, am drunk, just to reiterate so all flame is just real honest your guild is dog

[bleak sky]

[balmy condor]

it acts as a soak

[uncut sluice]

Thats what I thought and have been doing, just wanted to double check that I wasn't actively contributing to extra raid damage ❤️

[upbeat needle]

giga flex

[glad siren]

sims are down and i'm dumb... haste and what ? is what i'm supposed to be puttong on leggo right now?

haste crit?

[glad siren]

oh shit i'm sorry whispyr ty

[balmy condor]

Np

[slow marsh]

My zold says crit mastery

[abstract junco]

Quick M+ related question: what’s the play with encrypted relics breaking stealth on pull and on buff? Is that WAI or bugged?

[slow marsh]

I assume intended because of chain stealth with wo shenanigans

[abstract junco]

Probably, yeah. It’s going to be amazing, trying to thread subter garrotes through that on spiteful

[slow marsh]

Yeah idk I'm underwhelmed in general by the affix considering it's supposed to be the last until next xpac. On one hand the cdr can make for some nutty combos, on the other it still ends up being more annoying than anything for most groups

[abstract junco]

Had a fun moment with it in streets realizing that Wo was the play on mail boss, but yeah mega troubled by the restealth woes. Definitely a big issue.

[craggy nimbus]

Does anyone have any decent logs from the raid I can compare with?
I thought I did decently and compared to other dps in the guild, I did, but parses were green 😱

[limber lion]

You can just go through the top logs, just make sure to not look at the external-heavy ones

[craggy nimbus]

Aye true, thanks.

[gentle flower]

yo

tl;dr whats the best cov for sin rn single target

is it still venth?

[solid venture]

yep

until you get 4 set, then u go night fae

[cold rampart]

guys should i make the zoldyck lego?

i've seen the prototype logs and everyone is almost wearing it

is it gonna be good in mythic?

[subtle tundra]

depends if its worth wasting thousands of gold for 1 fight to get a bit more dps

[quasi ledge]

Just make it if you have the other legendaries. You either have the gold or you don't, and it takes under an hour to torghast for the mats

[peak bobcat]

Does necrolord pull ahead on 2T fights like dasausage?

[oak sky]

Full 2 target like pantheon or probably lords of dread yes

Added cleave target like dasausage its pretty even but with high uptime adds necro is better

And resets

For kevin

[peak bobcat]

Cool, thanks. I haven’t messed around with necro since nathria, trying to find spots where it’s good

[umbral rapids]

Does zoldick work on sbs ?

[peak bobcat]

I believe so yeah

[oak sky]

Yes

[umbral rapids]

Okok

[hardy dagger]

Necro assa feels so good on pantheon

[strange python]

it does

in general feel very good

shame desthspike offers 0 ST

otherwise would've been viable maybe in raid

[marble hemlock]

hey

its like

2dps

on st

not 0

[strange python]

:peepo grasping at straws:

[subtle tundra]

well if i play master poisoner and then spec into leeching poison i can also get 2dps

[trail mica]

Im trying out assassin in m+, what legendary would be the best for low-ish keys? 10-15

[gusty mirage]

Zoldycks

[iron escarp]

Heya guys is assas same as sub aka need old daggers to min/max?

[gusty mirage]

Nope. Once we get heroic raid daggers sylv dagger goes bye bye for us

[iron escarp]

Ah that might tempt me to swap then

was put off by rogue because i missed last patch

[gusty mirage]

If you’re curious about the actual numbers, Whispyr simmed it for us (you can find the link in the first pin)

[iron escarp]

Ah thanks mate, is assas weaker than sub/

?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah, assassination’s baseline is lower than subs

Plus sub juices the sylv daggers

So right now it’s a bit behind but once we get tier and double leggo it’s like a. 300-400dps dif between the two

[iron escarp]

ok cause was considering rogue or frost dk, but i think rogue would win overall dps in almost all situations lol

[gusty mirage]

Rogues more fun (totally biased opinion here)

[iron escarp]

Hehe i used to raid mythic with rogue last expansion so i do like them

[dawn anchor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[iron escarp]

Now to convince my raid them that rogues are a ranged dsps

dps

[iron escarp]

guys is night fae still gonna be the go to with 4 set?

[slow marsh]

NF/ Necro

[iron escarp]

For raiding is it night fae?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah, when we get 4pc and double leggo we go fae

[iron escarp]

Ah ok, worth just going fae now then probs.

Although i have to farm TC to get leggo... yikes...

How is it as rogue loll

[slow marsh]

ezpz

[iron escarp]

Assas is good in there?

[slow marsh]

just stealth to last bosses with decent powers you'll be fine

[iron escarp]

Lol

No remnants etc id get 2 shot surely xD

[craggy nimbus]

You go at floor 8 or 9 for the fastest farm. Stealth to the end on every level, kill small boss, get animapowers, repeat, kill endbozs. Each floor took me about a minute to complete at ilvl 247 🙂

[subtle tundra]

yo so conclusion on so'leah's secret technique?

cause i got it and my dear warrior friend wants it

and he threatened to not give me necro banner

if i dont trade

[vestal wren]

its decent, not the best trinket you can get

[cold rampart]

in my sim dashing has more dmg than doomblade

who shall i trust

[gusty mirage]

trust the sim

[cold rampart]

what about trinkets i have 246 phial and vault of the wardens and fusion amplifier

can i not wear double use trinkets ?

[vestal wren]

you can, just sim if its good to do so

[winter vapor]

so what are you guys doing in terms of targetting for the affix?

still new but its screwing up my target prio

[gusty mirage]

I pretty much ignore it and just passively cleave it

[balmy condor]

I hit one with a garrote

[winter vapor]

thanks

2nd boss SD is fun

[slow marsh]

I throw an envenom at ur to make sure my group doesn't troll and get vy

[limber lion]

[slow marsh]

[subtle tundra]

"kill urh team" - mage combusts, warrior spears

[limber lion]

vy bis

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[balmy condor]

Vy sucks

[brazen zodiac]

hi gamers

[limber lion]

they all suck dick

[balmy condor]

The damage proc is like 0%

[bleak sky]

all of them suck

this affix sucks

delete it

[balmy condor]

True

[bleak sky]

have you slept whispyr?

[spice spire]

Can you talk mister Minalba?

[bleak sky]

yes sir

My sleep schedule is impeccable.

[spice spire]

truly

[bleak sky]

8 hours a night, regular days, never went more than 48 hours awake at a single time.

[spice spire]

8 hours a day without fail

[bleak sky]

[balmy stump]

I haven’t played the new patch yet 💀

[spice spire]

wait only 48? homie you're lackin'

I might be more fucked than you

[bleak sky]

oh no

[bleak sky]

new raid is fun

[spice spire]

@balmy stump I'm enjoying it so far, i do think that the m+ affix is whack, but the raid is pretty neat

[bleak sky]

so far it feels better than SoD

and yeah the affix is BAD

[balmy stump]

Awesome, Let’s see if I can work my way back to a CE guild in one tier LOL

[spice spire]

I'm a Wo savant, even though i target urh.

[balmy stump]

Will probably be mostly m+ and pvp like last tier

[spice spire]

fury warrior presses buttons and it's

[balmy stump]

Sod sucked tbh

How is sin sizing up this tier?

[bleak sky]

looks good

all rogues look good right now

[balmy stump]

Awesome

I mainly sub for pvp and m+

I like sin a lot better for raid

[bleak sky]

oh yeah you're gonna be fine in M+

sin feels a little weird with the new affix

[balmy stump]

I like sub and sin a lot

I hate outlaw - which my guild hated me hating lmao

[limber lion]

Just wiped on the first boss because both tanks died

very pog

can't kill a single boss with a pug

it's doomed

[winged basin]

Yo so we haven’t had any major rotational changes since last tier right? Just trying to cross my ts and dot my I’s before I raid for the first time since mythic Soulrender ecks dee

[timid cloud]

You pugging H Cev???

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

nothing big, no. There's a snapshot that happens once you get 4pc where you want to put bleeds up in the last seconds of vendetta to extend the effect, but aside from that it's business as usual

[winged basin]

Word, I’m excited took a phat break and came back with a new group to kill things with :))

[limber lion]

Yes

Guild killed everything already while I was gone, now I gotta pug em all

And it's rough

[timid cloud]

[viscid spear]

Well gl to ya Cev

[steep quartz]

am starting out sin this xpac is there a tldr reason why nadja isnt used over theotar? would assume the haste proc would make it decent

[quaint condor]

do we run shadowcore oil or sharpening stones?

[thorn fjord]

Oil

[bleak sky]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[bleak sky]

everyone runs stones+agi pots though

[thorn fjord]

I've been using phantom fire and oil since nathria lol

[quaint condor]

ty!

[limber lion]

No we don't...

We have never used oil

or pf

[timid cloud]

Someone just woke up & found out they’ve been using the wrong pots for the entire expansion….

[timid cloud]

Nadjia gains more value when there’s a lot of adds to put into your Thrillseeker buff. Theotar gets an extra potency & also a haste buff from the tea, 3% flat. (If you roll it.) if you want it TL:DR’d

But you’d have to ask one of the simulator mans to give you the actual number mumbo jumbo, am bad at math. Me only press button.

[steep quartz]

ty

[timid cloud]

Sin FAQ updated?!

[balmy condor]

it already was but I'm adding some stuff and then shuffling things around

so it's gonna be blinking a bunch in the next hour-ish

[timid cloud]

[limber lion]

cute visuals

[vestal wren]

🙂

[deft scroll]

Hey guys can someone tell me why i shouldnt spam CT on 4+ targets? The numbers say yes, the guide says no. thx in advance 🙂

[drifting cloud]

"the numbers"

[viscid spear]

Sin FAQ

[grim tangle]

the numbers don't say yes

[deft scroll]

5cp envenom 3268dmg , 4 target CT 4x1176dmg i dont understand

[balmy condor]

you are completely missing the added poison damage

also you're going off tooltip numbers

[timid cloud]

Didn’t you sim a CT spam & it was like…only above…11 or 15 targets, something silly like that?

Last time we spammed CT was in like BFA.

[balmy condor]

I don't remember the number when CT spamming is worth

but it's a lot

[timid cloud]

Where’s my OBEDIENCE?!

[balmy condor]

in unity

you don't get a choice on that anymore

[timid cloud]

Oh I didn’t notice you were saying it was for unity.

[balmy condor]

yeh

not much of a reason to include info relevant for the first 3 weeks of a raid imo

I imagine someone hopping into the patch in a month or something

and just instantly having unity

[timid cloud]

It’ll also save you trouble of having to edit it in a few weeks.

[balmy condor]

yuh

[mortal pike]

did anyone do some decent M+ testing on ptr with 2/4 set?

[bleak sky]

seli did, I think Iceblades also did

not sure on Varas

[mortal pike]

Did they say if it felt good haha

[bleak sky]

no

[timid cloud]

[limber lion]

2p feels good, 4p feels too hectic

Changes the playstyle a bit when you don't have time to multidot everything around you and have to constantly keep reapplying bleeds on your main target

[versed mica]

No doomblade memes when necro, we only play dashing?

[slow marsh]

Tier makes sin m+ better but feel 2x as hectic as it already was

[limber lion]

that's a good Vigilante parse right there

tank literally soloing 100k hp

lmao

[limber swallow]

he's not soloing. I see a bone spike debuff helping out 😉

[winged basin]

So I join this guild of old friends put together from past guilds right, and they beg me to raid, then today they tell me they have 5 rogues 😂😂

Finna flop my whole pp on the meters Monday night

[glass tulip]

[balmy condor]

god I wish I was the meters right now

[winged basin]

you could be 😌

[balmy condor]

[winged basin]

New raid pretty sin friendly? or we pretty equal with sub? They are all sub players and I’m an sin otp

[bleak sky]

Who's them

[winged basin]

better relax before you make me act up

Idk, just randoms, everyone is like 10-15 ilvl lower then me (the rogues that is)

[timid cloud]

Do it.

Ego them so hard they go Sin.

[winged basin]

I only know one of them, I know I’m finna boogie, I’m still a little rusty from my break but I am a dang boogie master

[timid cloud]

We log watchin’ tonight.

[slow marsh]

Someone tldr me the legend of toadie

@spice spire

you're supposed to be a loremaster or something

[winged basin]

HAHAHA

[balmy condor]

Doug ain't shit bruh

[winged basin]

Quake remembers me and my guild so mentally unstable they sat me for being highest damage

come on mane

I’ll kiss you on the lips, keep playin

[spice spire]

lore aint free anymore homie

you gotta pay for it

being green has changed me

sorry king

[winged basin]

LOL

[spice spire]

long time, toadie

[winged basin]

Hi bb, I came back, the heavens opened up and told me Azeroth needs me

[slow marsh]

i'll give you a peek at my normal logs as payment

[spice spire]

ayo?

👀

[winged basin]

I can’t wait to post my logs in sin chat, nothing gets me going like cydone having to explain pooling to me 5 times cause I’m dumb

[indigo mulch]

So do i still run Obe venthyr with 2 set? D:

[balmy condor]

if it sims higher

[indigo mulch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hpiCE2dJnqZdCVh5uez796 😒

[timid cloud]

LMAO

[balmy condor]

didn't you just ask for obed?

[indigo mulch]

No, i was just under the impression that obe was supposed to be the go to for 2p.

[strange python]

lol im #62 assa rogue on twisting in rio 😄

[balmy condor]

I wish I had your money btw

a crit haste AND a crit vers obed

[timid cloud]

Wait you don’t?

[balmy condor]

dudes fucking drowning in money

no why would I craft 2 obediences for that

[timid cloud]

We need to get my boy in some sales.

[balmy condor]

swapping from haste to vers

for what

5 dps?

hyperpoggers

[timid cloud]

Yes.

5 DPS is 5 DPS more.

[oak sky]

I need money :l

[timid cloud]

Agreon only got #1 by 2 DPS

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oaDdQnHZW3qkR6HixFDE3y

I lied

it's 3 dps

with a margin of +-5

[timid cloud]

LOL

[indigo mulch]

with mfd

ripsanity

[balmy condor]

of course with MFD

you'd be insane to not play mfd

[indigo mulch]

its so annoying ot play with mfd though, ngl

[balmy condor]

yeah but it's 150 dps more annoying

[indigo mulch]

[bleak sky]

I saw that

[balmy condor]

also now the difference between crit/vers and crit/haste is ONE dps

[bleak sky]

[balmy condor]

[winged basin]

somethings never changed lmao

[latent gazelle]

[gusty mirage]

yeah take extra notes

mfer

[indigo mulch]

Wait, you run teo nowdays? D:

[gusty mirage]

nowdays?

dawg I got some news for you

[balmy condor]

I mean

[indigo mulch]

I haven't really played for months 😄

[balmy condor]

yeah that would do it

cause theo has been the better choice for... well months

[oak sky]

Whispyr with 2p we fully maintain ct don't we

[timid cloud]

Yeah. It’s been like that for AWHILE

[torn atlas]

Yeah. But imagine like, a 2million second long fight. That's 2m damage just gone cos you didn't swap gear

[balmy condor]

oh true

[limber lion]

wtf

[indigo mulch]

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

Big Brain time

[steep quartz]

for the well placed steel does that affect poisons already applied to the target or only to stuff placed after the shiv

[old halo]

already applied

[steep quartz]

awesome

[shadow tulip]

Yo, is there a spreadsheet of BIS items? Or do they not exist?

[balmy condor]

we don't support bis lists

just sim yourself

[shadow tulip]

Uh huh. So just take everything and go raidbot

Okie, gotcha

Not even possible stat prio? Roughly

[balmy condor]

there's like 80 combinations that are within 0.2%

stat prios and bis legos and stuff are all in the FAQ

[shadow tulip]

OMW

[kindred dune]

hey guys, wanted to ask if anyone knows if there is a weakaura where the nameplate color changes from yellow to red while rupture debuff comes off target

[versed mica]

Any reason why sin faq in one section says we're using dashing for all covs while in another it says venthyr goes obed?

I'm picky lmao

[echo geyser]

dashing seems outdated or?

[versed mica]

I'm saying in one section it implies venth will go dashing, but in another section it says venth goes obed

[limber lion]

We never use Dashing anymore

pretty much

Can you point out where it is so we can get it fixed?

[versed mica]

But now that you mention it, I thought dashing was only good last tier with frost set

[limber lion]

You can use a plater profile/script for that. Elvui's nameplates comes with a built in feature like that

[kindred dune]

yeah I found one with glowing pandemic, but nothing with colorizing yet

[limber lion]

You can steal my plater profile. It colors the plate whenever SBS is applied

just change the condition from SBS to Rupture and from green to red

[cloud reef]

its because of tier

with 4pc tier you take dusk

without you take dashing

[versed mica]

I know, I'm just saying that one section it says use dashing till 4pc and another says you use obed with no tier/leggo

[kindred dune]

funnily enough I installed your plater profile some minutes ago, can you direct me in right direction where to change it? (thank you I found it)

[versed mica]

And again, idk how dashing is the best in those contexts with no frost set from raid

I'd expect doomblade to Sim higher but idek

[slow marsh]

why

[versed mica]

I guess the second image is leaving out obed bc it's assumed it will be with unity

Dashing wasn't the best in CN, wasn't good till frost set

But I guess the numbers could be different now idk

OH WAIT

Poison damage increase

2pc

Wow I'm dumb

[slow marsh]

dashing is still good without 2p

[versed mica]

I know it's good but I thought doomblade was just better, I guess it changes with gear

[balmy condor]

doomblade and dashing are very very similar

basically interchangeable

dashing is better on 3+

doom is better on 2

they're equal on 1

dashing becomes the better option with tier, and it's something every rogue already has

so there is no reason to ever recommend doomblade

[versed mica]

Even with necro?

[balmy condor]

even with necro

[slow marsh]

the reason dashing got "found out" (not necessarily true but for mainstream it was) was because it was already super close to doomblade to begin with, and someone realized that it had crit synergy with frost

[versed mica]

Damn boi

[slow marsh]

dashing was always good

[versed mica]

Aight I have been corrected

Although... I am slightly curious about something

In ZM there are two rares that drop a MH and OH dagger that has a bleed proc

I wonder if doomblade works with it...

[balmy condor]

it does not

and the proc is shit

[slow marsh]

for reference btw

[balmy condor]

the dagger set is actually just worse compared to any daggers that are even 3 ilvl higher

[limber lion]

Just got my first heroic pug kill

[versed mica]

Damn

[limber lion]

but wow companion keeps crashing so I can't upload the log :(

[versed mica]

Bruh

[limber lion]

Oh it went through

pog

[versed mica]

Poggers

[limber lion]

Decent Vigilante parse

[strange python]

I got my 2 piece yesterday I am disgustingly lucky

[limber lion]

I wonder why everyone's playing Doomblade/Obedience on Vigilante

[slow marsh]

probs cuz it's a joke fight

[strange python]

They don’t own zoldyk

[limber lion]

mad cuz bad

[slow marsh]

na idc

[limber lion]

"I won't play optimal setup because it's a joke fight ree"

[slow marsh]

glad you got the r1 tho

[limber lion]

Not a good reason imo

It's like playing Doomblade on Pantheon

[strange python]

I don’t think a lot of people have that leggo crafted

[limber lion]

makes no sense

Of course you'd play Zoldyck

[strange python]

oh that’s what I do xD

[limber lion]

The main boss dude starts at 35% hp or something

100% an execute fight for mythic as well

[strange python]

Maybe if legendaries weren’t a 100k a piece

I’d get a zoldyk

[limber lion]

You'd be surprised

because Zoldyck is our best m+ legendary

And has been since 9.0

A bunch have it crafted

[slow marsh]

this is promising though

[strange python]

I been griefing since 9.0 then

I stay griefing

[limber lion]

Ngl, I honestly think Necro is the most fun covenant there is

[slow marsh]

I agree and I think most would

[strange python]

Only one i haven’t tried

[limber lion]

Yeh probably

[strange python]

Maybe should

[limber lion]

It's a shame Deathspike is 2 dps

[slow marsh]

I mean yeah but the fights where deathspike is relevant it's actually god tier

[sterile chasm]

hola amigos

[limber lion]

Deathspike just has quite a small range

so it's a bit incovenient

[sterile chasm]

in late game we doing head unity and finger?

[limber lion]

But yeah, it's definitely super massive for like Pantheon

[sterile chasm]

legendaries?

[limber lion]

In super late game with full tier set and full mythic gear, yes

But for most it's wrists/ring

[slow marsh]

pantheon, lihivum, xymox, kind of desengue

[limber lion]

No point making legendaries on tier set slots, it's a bit grief

[limber lion]

true true

[versed mica]

Still bad they fixed some cov leggos for other classes to make them have more ST or Aoe to fix the one trick but deathspike was untouched

I miss necro sin

[slow marsh]

I wish they would've brushed up deathspike too but at the same time it will certainly have it's moments where it's real strongk

Can't have necro be bis on everything

[limber lion]

Yeh I agree, it's just a shame that you can't switch covenants everywhere

[spice spire]

Having some variance on which covenant is good is a good thing, but yeah, Cev, exactly

9.2,5 tho

[slow marsh]

Yeah the one thing that I think they missed was at least being able to cov swap in haven

[glass tulip]

Getting to swap covs means no fighting trash

[spice spire]

WAIT. This is the strat, “sorry guys, I’m optimizing”

[limber lion]

Or like a covenant swap module inside the raid

[slow marsh]

The conduit thing + portal in haven is a godsend, just wish you could also swap covs there

[spice spire]

But then no boes

[limber lion]

Portal?

[slow marsh]

to orib

waystone

whatever

[limber lion]

Oh right

[glass tulip]

I have gotten 1 heroic boe drop in all of shadowlands

[slow marsh]

I set my hearth to haven and it takes all of a minute to swap covs and check conduits

[glass tulip]

Same but it's still annoying to have to load in and out or orib

[limber lion]

wait

I was wondering what happened here when all the buffs dropped at the same second

but I just remembered that I died on that pull

Tried to be heroic and interrupt an add during the big aoe with cloak but ran out a bit too early

[brazen zodiac]

based

[limber lion]

I was dead for over 20s

[brazen zodiac]

died on pull and no res for 20 seconds

sounds like they find you stinky

[limber lion]

Nah, I died 1min 46s in

[hollow escarp]

you still on pantheon?

[limber lion]

Nah, I killed Vigilante just now

It's time for the wormy-boy

Vigilante was my first hc kill

took me 3 days to get one

[hollow escarp]

left left left

[limber lion]

[hollow escarp]

right right right

[brazen zodiac]

up up up?

[limber lion]

We lost our Enha, time to parse green

[proper tapir]

Hi. I'm trying to learn necro for aoe/m+, I see people going marileth or hermir; is there a distinction between when to use one over the other?

[slow marsh]

If you get lots of resets marileth, if not then heirmer

[proper tapir]

Ah, like SBS resets from mob deaths? I assume that is related to Kevin debuff uptime?

[limber lion]

That's correct

[proper tapir]

Thanks, any insight into how many resets per min or something to help draw a line in the sand?

[limber lion]

There really isn't anything

But generally Merelith is better for M+ just due to the nature of M+

Heirmir makes more sense in raids on bosses without many add-waves

[proper tapir]

Okay, thank you. I'll set mere for M+ and heir for raids.

[limber lion]

[upbeat needle]

So I'm looking in #assassination-faq and can't find the conduit 'Leathal Poisons'

@balmy condor ?

[limber lion]

It's "Lethal Poisons"

but what do you mean you can't find it?

[upbeat needle]

lmfaoo I'm memeing the spell check

[limber lion]

Good for you.

[bleak sky]

[upbeat needle]

Whis bout to hit me with the !ban

[limber lion]

Fuu made the graphic

[balmy condor]

@vestal wren made the graphics

[limber lion]

So yell at him

[balmy condor]

:P

[upbeat needle]

GOD DAMNIT FUU

[balmy condor]

but that's a good shout

thanks for pointing that out

[upbeat needle]

I like the graphic tho, liked the first one sub faq was hoping for one in assa

necro gonna be a good time this tier

SBS is lit

[limber lion]

Yeh, SBS is great fun

[viscid spear]

Whispyr right now

[fleet anchor]

Anyone who argues SBS isn't fun just doesn't like fun

[hollow nexus]

Did they fix the panteon vanish thing for the adds?

[balmy condor]

not to my knowledge

[hollow nexus]

Hhmm tried to do it again today and it didnt work

Also couldnt find a bugfix or anything like that for it

[balmy condor]

well it is very difficult to pull off properly

[hollow nexus]

Maybe i just got lucky on my pantheon kill

Got told i had to hit it and then vanish which seemed to work

Or is there more to it?

[brazen zodiac]

vanish bug?

[bleak sky]

if you're targeted bby the adds or something you vanish and they disappear

[balmy condor]

you have to be the only person in combat with the add

no starfall

no dots

not even a hot on you since that would constitute healer aggro

[bleak sky]

oh so it's basically not a realistic scenario

[strange python]

does zoldyck on feet slot sound ok

[balmy condor]

yes

thats the preferred slot

according to wowhead, the faq, and me

which are all me

so I guess rip

[wild beacon]

identical gear inputs (rough BIS with my guild's expected 6/10M progress). i'm checking to see if any mythic items from earlier bosses are better than heroic items from later bosses. specifically, if the M Skolex daggers are better than the H Rygelons (as we likely won't kill M Rygelon).

I am not sure where i've fucked up but gear compare is giving me a +1.7% increase with M Skolex daggers https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j9YsCFiNqMsQ3YPjtTD2q4

But Droptimizer run against Mythic bosses is showing the dagger as -0.5% decrease https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ePAeXGYupveqsrnGbG78TX

can anyone see what i'm doing wrong?

[balmy condor]

your gear compare enchants the daggers

[wild beacon]

hmm i must have messed up the base gear input and not enchanted the daggers

[balmy condor]

also those talents are giga fucking scuffed

if you're comparing with 4 piece and double lego

[wild beacon]

thanks for taking a look, i'll fix all that up and give it another go

[balmy condor]

@wild beacon https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/FayGPaRYF9jYT3HjA64u6

[wild beacon]

very much appreciated

[balmy condor]

np

[storm belfry]

so if im just gonna m+ game on my rogue, assuming necro is the go for double leggo + tier. i read the pin just want to make sure i read right/understood

[balmy condor]

yeah

but venthyr is probably still preferred

for the prio damage

[storm belfry]

w herimir as the bind

[balmy condor]

all of the soulbinds are pretty close but heirmir is probably marginally better

[storm belfry]

yeah i made the swap to venth, i see NF is good but i cba to level another renown up

got venth and necro at 80

[balmy condor]

it's really not that bad honestly

you buy the book for 40

[glass tulip]

Well you get 40 for free

[storm belfry]

no i know

[balmy condor]

and then the campaign gets like 30

[storm belfry]

i just ddi that for like all covs on like 7 toons

i dont wanna do it again lmao

[glass tulip]

F

[storm belfry]

idk i might do it

[balmy condor]

7 toons

[storm belfry]

liike later

yeah man

[balmy condor]

[wild beacon]

you ok bro

[storm belfry]

i alt whored a lot

we had teh time

i mean what else was i gonna do lmao

i just only did venth and necro on rogue so i didnt bother

so i can just stay venth then whisp?

[glass tulip]

Level your NF to 80

[storm belfry]

mavv stop pls lmao

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh if you're just doing m+ you don't need fae

[glass tulip]

I feel that, I did the whole ass night fae campaign on 5 characters pre-9.1

[storm belfry]

yeah i dont plan on raiding on the rogue this tier except for shots at tier later down the line

yeah man same

i did all campaigns at least 4 times, nf 6, and i think kyrian was my lowest w 2

something like that idk, was a ddark time

[storm belfry]

aite man ty

kinda happy we using duskwalkers

always thought that looked good

any chance we use zoldyck in keys on fort week or not anymore w the new set and double leggo

[balmy condor]

dusk probably just way too strong prio

[storm belfry]

for sure

[balmy condor]

I mean it stomps dslice pretty hard

[storm belfry]

aite ill just remain vampy

w duskwalker

[balmy condor]

and typically dslice is loving zold

[storm belfry]

ty for your input and time

❤️

[balmy condor]

pleasure

[reef axle]

would it be crazy to just stay necro with execute legendary for rest of heroic week including outaside pantheon, the spec still does quite well 🤔

[balmy condor]

I mean

you do you I guess

[bleak sky]

omg i got it

[oak sky]

BAAAAAT

@bleak sky is that from normal

[bleak sky]

yes

and I killed myself with a shadowstep

[hollow river]

what is that

[balmy condor]

the skip item

[hollow river]

what do you get it from?

anduin?

[balmy condor]

yes

[hollow river]

i didn't get one from him

[balmy condor]

they're guaranteed drops

[bleak sky]

that's weird

yeah