assassination

[brazen zodiac]

im perma res sickness

[copper sundial]

Still good

[brazen zodiac]

yeah are u just pugging heroic/norm to get p1 parses?!?

based

[serene shell]

zoldyck on feet?

[brazen zodiac]

no legs

[slow marsh]

if it's new zold then feet sure

[brazen zodiac]

oh yeah i guess

having to recraft zold :(

[muted ivy]

legs if you want to gamble

[brazen zodiac]

ice would it matter if its on legs tho until tier piece?

[slow marsh]

na legs more stats

[brazen zodiac]

hm

[gusty adder]

You would still run vigor for proto Ud assume?

[slow marsh]

legs leggo is more stats but you trade off a good cleave stat tier piece

[slow marsh]

DS

[vestal wren]

gz

[gusty adder]

Oh rly? BS as well?

[slow marsh]

no ep

[gusty adder]

Ok

[slow marsh]

If you struggle to keep ruptures and CT up there could be an arguement for mfd

But that's probs not a real issue until 4p

[muted ivy]

or if you're bad

[cold rampart]

doomblade better than dashing?

[slow marsh]

yeah but i probs wouldn't recraft unless you have oodles of gold to spend

it's not that big of a difference and you only use it for a week or two

[cold rampart]

i crafted it long time ago

thank god my gold wasnt a waste

[slow marsh]

then ye

[cold rampart]

what about obedience ?

[slow marsh]

obedience is better

[cold rampart]

but mines is 235

blood and dashing 262

[muted ivy]

[slow marsh]

then just use doom ig

[cold rampart]

shesh a lot of changes

[slow marsh]

been talking about it for a couple months tho

[clever kindle]

forgot what slot zoldycks went on and ran out of time + already bought a cloak during break last night so just upgraded doomblade

Close enough

[slow marsh]

DB is fine too, more value in more of the fight

[muted ivy]

9.1 makin me think cloak is the only slot legendaries go on

[slow marsh]

srsly

[scenic kelp]

hello, which cov and which legendary would you prefer atm as assa?

[limber lion]

Depends on what content

Necrolord/Venthyr currently for m+

and raid

[scenic kelp]

ah sry forgot. for m+

[limber lion]

Necro with Zoldyck for bigger overall, Venthyr with Obedience for most prio damage/single target

overall pretty similar numbers tbh, Venthyr is probs the better choice for most

[slow marsh]

my opinion is that necro slaps hard for pantheon and lithium but other than that ye what cev said it's pretty even

[limber lion]

I agree with that, but he was specifically asking about m+

I would never ever play Venthyr on Pantheon, Necro is omega strong there

And so much fun

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion hi ur cute

[drowsy parcel]

necro gang always and forever

[limber lion]

@gusty mirage no u

[slow marsh]

ye i played venth in our quick normal just because we were rushing and it felt significantly weaker

[brazen zodiac]

necro hard to play

advice on managing plz

i like ur plater for it tho cev makes it kinda easier to see

[slow marsh]

mouseover sbs

[limber lion]

use a good plater profile

yeh there you go

if a nameplate is red = press sbs on them

If all nameplates are green = use during gemstones

[brazen zodiac]

colors hard 2 see

:(

[foggy thicket]

Guys, is there an addon that I can see all bosses near me and the remain time of my dots on them? I really need it for Prototype fight...

[thorn fjord]

Elvui is nice

[slow marsh]

plater

[thorn fjord]

that too

[foggy thicket]

I want to see the dots in a different bar, not in nameplates, can plater do this?

[thorn fjord]

I think Omni CC does that

[cold rampart]

if i have guardian and vault of the wardens trinkets which one do i open with ?

[bleak sky]

bruh

im pugging heroic pantheon

look at this shit

[foggy thicket]

Why are you using venom rush?

[bleak sky]

?

It's not me?

lmao

[foggy thicket]

alacrity is so much better

ahhhhhhhhhhh

haha

sorry

[spice spire]

Unsure what’s more mental here, their build or lugging heroic pantheon week 1

[gusty mirage]

they nerfed it

[spice spire]

Gonna nerf you

[gusty mirage]

just shoot me in the head and put me out of my misery

[spice spire]

[timid cloud]

I wanted to pass away on N Anduin last night.

[thorn fjord]

We got him to 3% last pull 😔

[flint pond]

Would necro zoldyk still be the play after 4pc/2nd leggo on pantheon?

[bleak sky]

probably

[spice spire]

Yeah

Deathspike go Brrrrrrrrr for the cleave fight

[flint pond]

K, just making sure it’s worth to craft zoldyk

[spice spire]

Oh I didn’t read Zoldyck

I’d hold

Duskwalker is considered bis in dungeons at 4p

[timid cloud]

I got some dyck for ya hotrod.

[flint pond]

Ah ok

[spice spire]

So maybe not there buddy

I just saw Necro; just woke up

[timid cloud]

I think it could be though.

[flint pond]

I would assume it would be? Just because the last phase can get spicy

[slow marsh]

I mean

Depends on fight timing

i'm assuming with more gear last phase just melts like butter

so if you only get one vend anyways then yes zold

But wont really know until later next week ig

[flint pond]

Yeah just mostly considering prog atm

[timid cloud]

I believe in the power of Zold.

[slow marsh]

Prolly lose too much from 1st and 2nd phase for prog after 4p tbh

[clever kindle]

the nerf was mostly to donnys dot though right and the pinning animation

[slow marsh]

Denny dot is what wipes though

[clever kindle]

imo it seemed timing was much more important but now that they have the shields not despawn out of p1

[gusty mirage]

which were arguably the hardest parts tbh

[slow marsh]

ye

[clever kindle]

I guess for us things fell apart from other stuff

Mostly kicks

[gusty mirage]

yeah kicks is huge

[slow marsh]

hard to tell when the spears are hitting and denny dot just fucks

[gusty mirage]

each bolt is like 100k absorb

almost

[clever kindle]

gloom bolt turret during winds etc was fucking us up

but we got it worked out with our backups

[subtle tundra]

yo i love urh from encrypted, cant wait to get 2pc with it

shiv into shiv real quick

18 seconds of shiv continuously jgfhniufbufhbu ofgh

[brazen zodiac]

wreknm

fun stuff

[solid venture]

omg urh from encrypted

[viscid spear]

urh?

[alpine latch]

blah

I have so much raid to pug this week 😦

I really need to get a shot at set pieces, even if it's on Normal

[spice spire]

One of the encrypted affixes

Drops cooldowns

[clever kindle]

even mythic guilds will be doing normal this week so dont feel bad about it

Set at normal ilvl > no set at all

[alpine latch]

We only got 3 bosses down in Normal 😦

Never even pulled a Heroic boss

[clever kindle]

Realistically the bosses are pretty hard, I swear this is some of the slowest heroic prog ive ever seen

in terms of raw numbers of people

[thorn fjord]

Normal is pretty easy but yeah heroic has some spicy encounters

[alpine latch]

I've only seen 4 of the bosses. I need Halondrus, and then I'll start working on the left side

And hopefully get 1-2 bosses down in Heroic this weekend when I'm not farming keys

[thorn fjord]

im wondering how hard M Guardian is going to be

[clever kindle]

Most people did the other side first because Xymox was bugged but im not sure if that was a heroic only issue

I doubt guardian will be much of an issue

[timid cloud]

Halondrus is a patchwork boss basically.

[alpine latch]

Yup

I'm just trying to rush tier pieces, for obvious reasons

And my guild hasn't killed a boss that drops them, so I'll be pugging those

[timid cloud]

What order did they go?

[alpine latch]

We went right, so Guardian -> Skolex -> Xymox -> Halondrus

We just couldn't get it. 2% and 3% wipes

[timid cloud]

):

[hollow river]

These bosses even for heroic required a little bit of research tbh

Last tier I jumped into heroic just watching the yt videos of the boss mechanics

[alpine latch]

yeah

[hollow river]

This tier some of them are a bit more difficult

[craggy nimbus]

We struggled a bit in normal aswell but we managed to get 6 out of 8 kills over two days. Got tier legs but nothing else. We're only a heroic guild so no biggie with progression yet but it seems a bit harder than usual for a raid^^

[hollow river]

Yeah I think they’re overcompensating a little bit because

1. Last tier was really easy
2. This tier is going to be like a year long
3. When we get tier sets and double legendaries we will blow through the content

[brazen zodiac]

you think a year long? lo

[hearty dock]

I found some necro tech on Pantheon. If your Heirmir cheat procs you can remove it by getting pinned by one of the arrows

[brazen zodiac]

huh

[hollow river]

Yep

[drowsy parcel]

remove as in instadie or come back to life again

[hearty dock]

It removes the buff so you don't die

[hollow river]

Arrows?

[obtuse robin]

the pins on panth

swords

[hearty dock]

Duty's Pinning Volley. The shit she throws while she's blowing you back

[hollow river]

Ahh

Some hella situational tech

[solid venture]

any kevin enjoyers?

[hearty dock]

But tech nonetheless

[thorn fjord]

We're going to be playing this tier till next expansion gets announced =(

[clever kindle]

Im pretty sure we will get some news after the world first race. One of the things Blizzard has said thus far was there there was even quest lines that werent on the PTR to avoid spoilers

[hollow river]

The next expansion will prolly get announced sort of soon

But it’ll take forever to come out

[clever kindle]

I think they are waiting for those to be revealed and the world first race to be over to make the announcement, because it might not make as much sense without the context of how the expansion ends

[hollow river]

Yeah

[thorn fjord]

True

[obtuse robin]

itll be an end of this year or march 2023

[thorn fjord]

This may be my last tier though for a while... but I always say that 🤣

[clever kindle]

November release

[hollow river]

I’m willing to bet it’s March 2023

[clever kindle]

I dont think it will be a full year but who knows at this point

[slow marsh]

I mean tbh this tier seems > sod already and we don't even have last 3

[hollow river]

They’re gonna need time to make Legion 2.0

[thorn fjord]

Hoping jailer isn't another 15 min fight lol

[hollow river]

Hard agree

[slow marsh]

They said they were going to stay away from 15min fights but who knows

[hollow river]

So much better so far

Anduin is pretty long

[slow marsh]

They also said they were bringing back rogue utility so

[clever kindle]

I dont think well get Legion 2.0, their USAToday interview seems to indicate they won't be going back to the grind for power model

we did get utility

[hollow river]

Could be almost 13+ on mythic

[slow marsh]

Anduin not actually that long

[clever kindle]

boss damage is a tool

[obtuse robin]

anduin like 9 min

[clever kindle]

cheat death is technically a cooldown

[obtuse robin]

atm

[gusty mirage]

oh god

[hollow river]

Ooh?

I heard it was like 11

[gusty mirage]

jailers is going to be like 37 minutes

[obtuse robin]

on normal

[slow marsh]

anduin is 9-11 mins on heroic and we don't have tier or double leggos yet

[hollow river]

Watch Jailer be 3 minutes

[thorn fjord]

Don't you put that bad juju on us man

[hollow river]

The hardest 3 minutes of our lives

[gusty mirage]

still less disappointing than nzoth

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

Yo anduin damage amp is kinda nuts tho

[obtuse robin]

it is

[thorn fjord]

Anduin arrows are trigger inducing

[hollow river]

Can’t wait to funnel Andy with Eviscerates

[thorn fjord]

Garrosh gonna come back and slap up all the homies

[slow marsh]

na he ded ded

[obtuse robin]

so is arthas 😦

[slow marsh]

maybe

[obtuse robin]

not good enough to catch seli

[gusty mirage]

can we have a conversation with mr. 4 externals doing 1k less dps than seli?

[obtuse robin]

[slow marsh]

vigor

[gusty mirage]

you seem shocked

[slow marsh]

Black should know better

[obtuse robin]

nah im holddat

lol

[slow marsh]

oh good

You beat him where it counts though

[obtuse robin]

boss dmg?

oh not having vigor

[slow marsh]

boss dam

bunch of padders

[obtuse robin]

man word

i heard theres nothing u hate worse then a padder

[slow marsh]

Only when i'm not padding 🐵

[obtuse robin]

lol

[brazen zodiac]

pog black

[gusty mirage]

you really gonna do me dirty like that?

what the fuck man

[slow marsh]

What i do

[gusty mirage]

you literally stopped at 33

[marble hemlock]

hes sniffing my ass

on spot 34

[gusty mirage]

weird

I said we were holding hands when I was above you

and you say I'm sniffing your ass

DEAD TO ME

[marble hemlock]

i mean

since youre below me

that makes holding hands hard

[obtuse robin]

oxi a bottom confirmed

[gusty mirage]

well I sure as fuck aint sniffing your ass

I have nothing to hold on to

[marble hemlock]

thats more like

[marble hemlock]

see

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

so you were lying anyway

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

private?

[gusty mirage]

no?

[gusty mirage]

wtf

BRUH

WHAT

[marble hemlock]

ahahahahaha

get fucking bent

[slow marsh]

someone pulled a deleto

[gusty mirage]

suck my balls

[marble hemlock]

not from up here

[obtuse robin]

oof

[thorn fjord]

Booo I'm 51st right now =(

Thanks for making me feel bad

[brazen fern]

Anyone got a PI Dps Gain for 9.2?

[gusty mirage]

"up here"

you're just as washed as I am old man

get it together

[marble hemlock]

wdym washed?

i played subterfuge/ct on every boss cause i didnt wanna respec

[oak sky]

least lazy sin rogue

[gusty mirage]

also

I checked my logs on my phone browser and they're popping up

[bleak sky]

[thorn fjord]

I ran Pb on account of being lazy lol

[bleak sky]

but normal logs are dead yeah

[hollow ether]

How much dps is double 259 EoN worth right now?

[gusty mirage]

bro I knew I wasn't tripping

[gusty mirage]

I haven't done normal

[bleak sky]

THAT EXPLAINS IT

[gusty mirage]

whispyr did some sims, they're in the pins

[hollow ether]

Shit sorry I missed it

[oak sky]

doing my first normal kill today

[hollow ether]

Big dumb

[gusty mirage]

all good

[thorn fjord]

Yall making me want to stay sin next week based solely off principle

Fomo

[gusty mirage]

idk man I tried sub on halondrus

and I've come to the conclusion that I have no business playing sub

[thorn fjord]

Lol

[obtuse robin]

lmao

i feel the same way

[thorn fjord]

I bet you're still better than 80% of the other sub rogues

[slow marsh]

i played sub for normal anduin

[gusty mirage]

I made the mistake of playing a spec I have like maybe 10 boss kills on since the first month of the expac on prog

[slow marsh]

and let's just say i'm not doing that again

[thorn fjord]

Sin feels like shit on anduin

I got up to 22k during lich phases

In sub

[slow marsh]

how many times did you hit black powder instead of evis

[oak sky]

sub is really broken on anduin

[thorn fjord]

Every time 🤣

[slow marsh]

exactly

fuck sub

[thorn fjord]

And was using tornado lmao

[oak sky]

oh but apparently he wasnt even playing sub

[latent gazelle]

Can’t let mages and monks have all the fun…

[slow marsh]

200% damage amp on boss and people choose to pad on adds instead

makes sense right

[oak sky]

for sure

especially when theres a million little adds that sub can funnel off for free

[slow marsh]

exactly lol

it was fun tho ngl

[oak sky]

i mean ye

im not gonna play sub on it

[thorn fjord]

It's extremely fun lol

[brazen zodiac]

gamer

[oak sky]

just cba

[slow marsh]

ye same

[thorn fjord]

I still end up being top boss dmg anyway

[oak sky]

but objectively sub is much better on it

[slow marsh]

so long as they're not spamming bp yes sub is better

[marble hemlock]

theres nothing objective about it

not every guild runs a WW and 3 fury warriors on that boss

and deals with the adds smoothly

[oak sky]

ur gonna tell me sin has better aoe than sub now or what?

[marble hemlock]

im saying that "objectively better" is a bad choice of words when were talking about a phase that has 3 different DPS goals

[oak sky]

ok sure

[slow marsh]

I mean if your spec is supposed to do big aoe then yeah sure but as we know from m+ sub isn't an "aoe" spec

[thorn fjord]

Sub is swimming a put 700 more than sin for me now so even for ST I'm seeing more value

Simming

[marble hemlock]

yeah and every boss is a pure patchwerk fight

[oak sky]

my assumption is boss damage= boss dead and i was working around that, not to say that sin is bad or that other stuff isnt important

[thorn fjord]

About* Holy shit

[marble hemlock]

so basing spec-choice in a raid on sim dps is definitely the right thing to do

[thorn fjord]

Every boss is a ST boss if you believe

[fringe kraken]

sub is actually kinda fun to play ngl

[thorn fjord]

[marble hemlock]

sub is definitely more fun on ST than assa

but like

ive decided to go on a crusade against "simdps = best spec in raid"

[thorn fjord]

Ayyy a fellow Carl @fringe kraken

[slow marsh]

sub st benefits heavily from adds and sin doesn't, and it only gets worse as tier comes into play. that's my point. idc about simdps

it's already proven simdps and tier lists are stupid, just hop into outlaw channel for 2 seconds

they haven't stopped memeing about it

[thorn fjord]

Lol

[marble hemlock]

and yet most sub rogues are gonna go into anduin as kyrian, even though venthyr would be inarguably better on that specific fight for LK damage

[oak sky]

agreed

[slow marsh]

ye ofc. cuz a majority of players don't understand their spec they just copy paste

[marble hemlock]

the fight is also a bit more than just the intermission

[oak sky]

and some people hate respeccing just like seli

[slow marsh]

xD

can't even be bothered to tome

[marble hemlock]

ye

[thorn fjord]

I have way more verse crit gear than I do haste crit =(

[marble hemlock]

cuz we dont wipe to dps

so why would i bother

[slow marsh]

idk why would you

[marble hemlock]

ill just have to respec back again for the next boss where that cleave DPS actually matters

(its a dumb excuse, i 100% should tome and respec)

[slow marsh]

it's also normal so who cares

[thorn fjord]

That's giving up 🤣

[marble hemlock]

i mean, im solely talking about heroic

normal is a meme anyway

[thorn fjord]

Big true

[slow marsh]

week 1 heroic and normal things should be taken with a grain of salt still

[marble hemlock]

literally oneshot anduin normal with half the guild not knowing shit about the fight

[brazen zodiac]

olol

[thorn fjord]

It's a rinse repeat fight on normal

[marble hemlock]

assa has its place on anduin. it deals pretty decent damage in the downstairs phases, if you struggle with dealing with the adds there. i.e. in our case, we only ran 1 DK, so that made things a bit more sketchy on the 2nd kingsmourne

[slow marsh]

you're not punished really for the matching, you're not punished for stars, the barrier is ez soak with half the raid

[marble hemlock]

its also solid 2t cleave for intermission, and dealing enough damage to the massive soul is quite important

[slow marsh]

ye

[marble hemlock]

if youre funneling as sub, youre just pumping boss damage, youre not helping push the massive soul faster

[slow marsh]

that why i'm just gonna stay sin for the whole tier

unless jailer is like extremely slanted towards sub but I have a feeling it might be the opposite

[marble hemlock]

and while theres an argument for sub being the dedicated LK damage-dealer, especially as venthyr, a lot of guilds will not struggle with bossdamage but with soul damage

[thorn fjord]

I'm swapping back once I get more haste

[oak sky]

it looks like pure st so its probably not gonna favor either one much

[slow marsh]

I'm sure there will be a surprise or two on it

outside of having to keep azeroth alive

[oak sky]

i read the journal

[thorn fjord]

I hope so

[oak sky]

dont remember seeing adds in there

but you never know

[marble hemlock]

they only nerfed fiendish soul HP so far

and the massive soul is, well, massive

[grim tangle]

I look at mavverick's prog logs on anduin and he was doing as much LK damage as sub logs I've seen

[marble hemlock]

we didnt manage to kill the 2nd one in 28man raid before we lost the dmg boost

[slow marsh]

Sin isn't just favored when it's 2t cleave

[grim tangle]

really not convinced sub is better on the fight

[thorn fjord]

Not necessarily better... just feels more comfortable imo

[marble hemlock]

depending on how well people deal with the small adds, sub doesnt gain that much value

cuz they dont live that long

and some evis funnel you gain is a bit offset by not casting sstrike

[slow marsh]

Sub just gets slightly more value out of the damage amp but sin is just as good and will only even out with tier

[marble hemlock]

dedicating a full set of vendetta+flag on LK is gonna be solid dps as well, especially as you can guarantee 5cp every fok on that fight. and the difference between mut+fok is much much smaller

[thorn fjord]

Any of y'all have 2 set yet?

[oak sky]

this is just normal but i think its pretty telling tbh

boss dam logs

[slow marsh]

I could even forsee some weird interaction with the 200% damage amp favoring sin if you can get double vendetta with 4p

[marble hemlock]

it really isnt

[oak sky]

unsure if it includes damage to lich king honestly?

i would assume it does

[grim tangle]

boss damage doesn't include intermission damage

[oak sky]

and

[slow marsh]

The LK damage goes to anduin so yes

[oak sky]

yeah

thats what i figured

[marble hemlock]

so the spec that has better st potential and will most likely be solely focused on doing st, is performing better on st than the spec that will most likely be cleaving harder and spending more resources on AoE

insane comparison

[slow marsh]

also you have people like me

who mostly otp sin

that went sub just to see

what it's like

and i've determined i'm gonna stay sin

so

give it a couple weeks

Just like there were sub rogues that stayed sub for pantehon

[marble hemlock]

ill get beat on bossdamage as assa while beign specced CT and casting SBS on massive souls and multidotting it and casting CT.

[slow marsh]

deathspike stonks though

just one intermission could give you kevin for the rest of the fight

[marble hemlock]

gonna call it now

[slow marsh]

could give you kevin for the rest of the raid tbh

[marble hemlock]

best spec for anduin is outlaw cause you can get 15+ MFD resets to spam dispatch into LK

[echo geyser]

[marble hemlock]

i knew that would summon you

ram

[oak sky]

a shame all 15 adds die at roughly the same time

[marble hemlock]

just mention outlaw and he shows up

[slow marsh]

more mfd means more vanish which means more dreadblades which means more flag which means more damage

@rram

[gusty mirage]

he's been here

he just doesn't like you cause you stink

[echo geyser]

just mfd on sin for envenoms

[marble hemlock]

you would know, being below me like you are, so you get all the smell downwind

[slow marsh]

Oh yeah big envenom damage

[thorn fjord]

I'm sure you'd be able to figure it out @slow marsh

[oak sky]

i shouldnt have signed up for the liquid normal split now i have to skip class and watch the recording later

[gusty mirage]

sorry I can't hear you from the heroic rankings

[echo geyser]

if all small adds die perfectly 1.5sec within eachother

then ur basically a sub rogue with envenom

[slow marsh]

you must have envenom confused with something else

[marble hemlock]

id just like it if people would make less definitive sounding claims this early into a new tier

theres a shitton of people just reading, lurking, trying to gain information for what theyll be playing in their raid, and statements like these can be very misleading when not put into the right context

[gusty mirage]

you mean like: if you play ANYTHING except sub on anduin you're throwing

[marble hemlock]

yeah

[echo geyser]

im sorry ill go back to outlaw

[marble hemlock]

nah

you stay

[gusty mirage]

don't, come back we love you

commas are important ladies and gents

[echo geyser]

[slow marsh]

you're throwing hands

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

I definitely said that

[gusty mirage]

listen man I ain't tryin to start anything

[oak sky]

I didnt say that I'm playing sin anyway

[gusty mirage]

I'm just saying you're all wonderful, except for seli

he's grumpy

[oak sky]

couldn't be me

[echo geyser]

both fire mage and arcane beat sub in lich king dmg, but im pretty sure raid was padding too much on small adds

didnt have perma funnel

[marble hemlock]

dw youre still cute

[bleak sky]

what'd you think of the new seasonal affix ram?

you're zooming through rio

[thorn fjord]

Shuriuken tornado goes burrrrr

[marble hemlock]

"definitely didnt say THAT"

[gusty mirage]

yeah? Well you're gorgeous. How do you like THEM apples?

[echo geyser]

seems alright atm, both days i played was only on tiny sleep

[bleak sky]

rip

[echo geyser]

no opinions rly

[bleak sky]

sleep good

big sleep = big io

[oak sky]

sorry does that say anything but sub is trolling?

I must have missed where I typed that

please point it out

and

[thorn fjord]

Spicy

[bleak sky]

here

[marble hemlock]

its implied, yeah, when you claim smth is "objectively" best

[bleak sky]

caught in 4k

[echo geyser]

can u have someone never go down phase on anduin?

[oak sky]

best doesn't mean required

[echo geyser]

or does everyone have to go down ?

[marble hemlock]

when i say pistacchio is objectively the best ice cream flavor (which it is), then that means eating anything else is inting

[slow marsh]

I had pistacchio last week

[marble hemlock]

thats kinda how tehse definitive statements work

[oak sky]

like

[copper sundial]

Tiramisu flavored ice cream plz

[marble hemlock]

it may not be what you meant

[oak sky]

you could say objectively a boomie is good for p1 sylvanas

[marble hemlock]

but its what people with less class/game knowledge than you will read

[oak sky]

maybe even the best class for it

but that doesnt mean you needed it

[oak sky]

I think this is a fair statement, but I don't think its fair to say that I'm calling other specs troll, especially when I'm planning on playing sin myself and have said that multiple times.

[marble hemlock]

i really dont care whats fair or not. i just dont want people who join the discord during one of the busiest times of an expansion to go into a spec channel and read super definitiv yet super subjective statements like that, if at all possible. nothing more.

[bleak sky]

sub being objectively better than sin for M+ doesn't mean sin is bad

something being better than the other

doesn't mean the other one is automatically trash D tier

[oak sky]

I don't disagree and I appreciate you pointing out that I shouldn't be saying that in a spec channel seli

[marble hemlock]

aight

[thorn fjord]

Pirate sucks prove me wrong 🤣

[bleak sky]

watch guy play

[echo geyser]

[marble hemlock]

no minal, doesnt mean any of that. but a lot of people lack the understanding of game design/balancing to take a statement like "sub is objectively better than assa in m+" with the nuanced stance that such a sweeping statement requires

[glass tulip]

I don't think you ever have to go down, just that typically you need everyone to have a turn... Unless you're like echo and you're finishing the phase with 20 seconds left on the timer lol

[marble hemlock]

people go out and look at tierlists exactly because they want quick and useful information. definitive statements are neither, unless they are objectively true. but they often simply cannot be, as theres more to a specific specs viability than just simdps or performance in one of many part of the fight

or dungeon, for that matter

[oak sky]

yeah I was just trying to share my thoughts on anduin I didnt want to mess with other peoples play or decisions at all that wasnt my intention

[thorn fjord]

Also your own personal ability to play certain spec/class

[marble hemlock]

well, if you cant play assa in st, then idk what would help you anymore

[thorn fjord]

Alot of people who haven't been playing long or come back after a long hiatus usually tend to think the game is easy/simple

Sin is definitely more user friendly for those coming to rogue not really knowing what to do or what's going on

[marble hemlock]

but yeah

love you all

just been seeing a lot of stuff recently that i simply disagree with, so ill be going hard at those to get it out of peoples heads. nothing personal @oak sky

outlaw prolly has more good fights for it, than sub does atm

(only counting first 8)

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/gross-bleh-nope-grossed-out-yuck-gif-5759353

[oak sky]

i for sure think sub is overrated

not gonna elaborate

[echo geyser]

we love outlaw

but also sin

and sub

[thorn fjord]

We love rogue!

https://tenor.com/view/jack-sparrow-gif-18925797

[oak sky]

we love ramfam

[thorn fjord]

This you @echo geyser ?

[marble hemlock]

i dont

[echo geyser]

will be interesting how mythic bosses look

[thorn fjord]

Uncap outlaw and then we can have a conversation

🤣

[echo geyser]

also not to mention last 3 hc

[gusty mirage]

why does everyone keep saying that?

[thorn fjord]

It's the meme

[gusty mirage]

I dead ass think some outlaw rogues believe it

lmao

[marble hemlock]

dont lump me in with the rest of you cultists

is all

[echo geyser]

i member seli outlaw keys in season 1

good times

[marble hemlock]

[thorn fjord]

Legion outlaw will always be the goat

[marble hemlock]

[drowsy parcel]

wod combat

[thorn fjord]

I didn't play wod... did combat have BF?

[gusty mirage]

ye combat always had blade flurry

ever since we were wee little rogues ganking poor clothies in stv

[thorn fjord]

I mained mage up until legion

But didnt play panda or wod

[marble hemlock]

used to be a 2min CD tho

that gave 15% attackspeed

[thorn fjord]

Interesting

[gusty mirage]

and pretty sure it was just 1 additional target

[marble hemlock]

nah

it got changed a lot

[gusty mirage]

I meant like og bf

when did they introduce killing spree? was it tbc or wrath?

I can't remember

[thorn fjord]

Anyone else procrastinating on covenant farm? I gotta do nf and kyr =(

[red plaza]

What were you doing for 6 months of 9.1? 😂

[thorn fjord]

Playing halo

[gusty mirage]

nah I've been 80 on all for like 2 months now

[thorn fjord]

Ugh I should have just done it

After getting ksm I would literally only log-on for raid

[slow marsh]

wrath

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

KS was used in Wrath to rail into people on flying mounts.

It was nerfed for that reason going into Trial of the Crusader.

You'd fly up, be next to someone, hit KS, you'd kill them, then parachute back down.

[rotund oak]

The awkward moment u do a mists 12 and u loot the dagger and 2 keys laters u do a mists 15 and u loot another dagger 😅

its the game telling me to play assassination or what

[slow marsh]

KS was huge stonks in ICC after DBW tho

Those were my glory days as a pvper

I wasn't even good I just had mega armpen and one shot people on goes

[winter gale]

Can switching talent macro be made for mft/crimson tempest?

mfd*

Since they are not same row

[hollow river]

Why would you ever do that

Just to switch talents?

But yeah you can

[clever kindle]

Because it was a meme to give sin uncapped targets and not outlaw who was traditionally used for AOE and now doesn't have a niche at all outside of 5 target cleave

Not that I care at this point it is what it is

[gusty mirage]

by "traditionally used for AOE"

are you referencing bfa?

[clever kindle]

That was their niche in legion as well not that anybody really played it then because it was pretty underwhelming

Prior to that you could say it was a cleave niche

[slow marsh]

Sin has one shitty builder that got uncapped and a decent aoe finisher. Very different from uncapping outlaw who gets to hit everything for free by pressing one thing every 10 s

[oak sky]

Except outlaw has nothing in this timelinr

[clever kindle]

Its mainly crimson tempest and that's not the only component to Outlaw aoe but we're splitting hairs at this point

[winter gale]

die to the specific keybind, nothing else. Was thinking to make it like that so some cross spec talents stay binded on same spot

But nvm, Ill manage to do something

[clever kindle]

At this point in what situation do you want an Outlaw Rogue over either a Sub or Sin rogue, in any situation or niche

[rotund oak]

make that last ''10s'' 1second or less to match outlaw's apm 😛

[clever kindle]

averaging over 1 APS

[rotund oak]

if ur apm is 80 per minute uve got skills of gcd

so ye

[slow marsh]

I'm all for buffing outlaw and keeping all three specs relevant....it's just dumb to think that outlaw was every going to get fully uncapped when they have blade flurry

[clever kindle]

Yes, outlaw has blade rush, mfd, vanish, etc

[slow marsh]

top normal anduin log blade flurry is over 20% of their damage. For pressing one button

top sin anduin is like 13% CT

[clever kindle]

I didnt think they would be uncapped but it would have been nice to have tailing damage or something

[slow marsh]

Increasing to 8 would've been nice

[clever kindle]

comparing 1 finisher to a modifier and* an already more complicated rotation

[slow marsh]

Outlaw isn't complicated why do people say that

[grim tangle]

would outlaw even gain anything from getting uncapped? considering they uncap classes by reducing their damage with more targets

[slow marsh]

Yes outlaw would be massive if uncapped

[rotund oak]

outlaw would ''feel'' alot better if it was uncapped but the actual dmg gain wouldnt be

insane

[slow marsh]

They literally just continue their ST rotation and do damage to everything

[clever kindle]

Ive played both at mythic level, Outlaw is definitely harder to play, simply put you have more plates to spin to do the same damage

[slow marsh]

THey don't change anyhting

[grim tangle]

but the damage would be the same?

[clever kindle]

thats just wrong on so many levels

[rotund oak]

thats relative

[slow marsh]

how is it relative

you press blade flurry

press blade rush

[oak sky]

Outlaw is a more complex st rotation but since its aoe and cleave add nothing new its easier than some other specs in aoe

[slow marsh]

you ER

[clever kindle]

You're playing different based on a few different roll the bones combos, it's slight adjustments to things but you're layering a lot of it on top of each other, efficiently resetting cooldowns

[slow marsh]

then you continue to spam SS dispatch

[clever kindle]

this is a truly dank take

because every single pull your cooldowns might be on a completely different timeline

[rotund oak]

if u roll true bearing and u need to swap u need to re-set-up

[slow marsh]

You don't play different based on rolls

[rotund oak]

or BS

[clever kindle]

what

[slow marsh]

the only roll that changes anything is BS

and you finish on 4 instead of 5

lke whoopdie do

[rotund oak]

both bs and tb can change the playstle

[slow marsh]

tb doesn't change playstyle at all

it just gives cds faster

[rotund oak]

it changes the pace

[slow marsh]

which isn't playstyel

you do the same thing

[bleak sky]

it's just faster

lol

[slow marsh]

more frequently

[clever kindle]

yes it is? Your rotation is literally changing

[slow marsh]

it literally isn't

[oak sky]

Grand melee changes playstyle it makes me go afk

[slow marsh]

you do evertything in the same order

[clever kindle]

Blade rush is a rotational ability reset by CDR and vanish will be as well

[rotund oak]

.. outlaw is a spec tah feeds itself,if u roll TB and vanish ambush into a broadside

[timid cloud]

Wdym, you’re telling me you don’t like a 16m long Slice & Dice????

[rotund oak]

u just change eveyrthing

u finish and clock faster

[brazen zodiac]

love it

[clever kindle]

whats a slice and dice, my brain has degraded from playing sin for a tier

[rotund oak]

its different

[slow marsh]

except you dont

[clever kindle]

I think I cast it once at the start of SoD and its been up since then

[slow marsh]

I don't get what you guys think changes

[rotund oak]

u clock faster

skills clock faster

come of cd faster

that changes prio

basaed on cd

[slow marsh]

prio doesn't change at all tho

which is why i'm confused

[tight ginkgo]

The prio doesn't change. It just might not be static in terms of what comes up when.

[rotund oak]

so u need to BtE above other finishers or vanish

[slow marsh]

You just ss less and finish sooner

[bleak sky]

is bte active? yes? ok I keep doing my rotation wow

[rotund oak]

What id u hav eot swap

[balmy condor]

Just because it’s faster doesn’t mean the logic changes. The logic stays regardless of the speed

[rotund oak]

its not that simple

its not assassination

[slow marsh]

It is that simple

[clever kindle]

and the speed is what makes it difficult

[slow marsh]

it literally is that simple

[weak plover]

Is there a way in advanced sims to sim the 3 different weapons from cache of acquired treasures?

[balmy condor]

Not yet

Axe in aoe, wand in single target

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/entertainment-michael-jackson-wow-amazing-interesting-gif-14302319

[slow marsh]

😆

[balmy condor]

Here’s a better question, does alacrity change your rotation

[clever kindle]

Is haste the same as cdr

[weak plover]

What is alacrity

😄

[balmy condor]

For outlaw, yes

[timid cloud]

Haste per finisher

[bleak sky]

something that should be reworked

[strange python]

I think it's funny when sub and outlaw rogues feel superior to sin rogues when the reality is that a blue parser is a blue parser regardless of spec

[slow marsh]

[rotund oak]

no it has nothing to do with superiority,its more complicated

[timid cloud]

[thorn fjord]

Easier to Oj parse when nobody is playing the spec

[strange python]

Don't think I've ever seen an orange/pink sin rogue unable to do the same on outlaw and sub, and same in reverse.

[thorn fjord]

😂

[rotund oak]

and alacrity doesnt change anything its a haste buff

[balmy condor]

Haste means more casts, more casts means more finishers, more finishers, which means cdr

[timid cloud]

That’s not true.

[rotund oak]

Yes and what about it

[bleak sky]

watch me this tier

logwatch me

about to get 99s on every spec

literal beast

[balmy condor]

If your argument was consistent you would say haste changes your rotation

[bleak sky]

built different, menace to society

[slow marsh]

multi spec gamers

[strange python]

I think you're saying what I'm saying...any rogue parsing 95%+ as any spec will be able to do the same as the other specs with like a week of practice

[rotund oak]

its not that simple because buffs can overlap,not TB alone 😛

[timid cloud]

Just because I’m pressing my buttons faster does not make the rotation any different.

[strange python]

Unless they're bad

[bleak sky]

I read that as "able" instead of unable

[clever kindle]

Yes it does when those buttons come up in a different order

[thorn fjord]

i can oj parse with sin and sub... cant with pirate as hard as i try

[balmy condor]

Why are we talking about overlapping buffs now

[grim tangle]

I can't parse 95% as outlaw

I don't have a sword

[clever kindle]

No one talked about overlapping buffs

[strange python]

Some people just don't gel with certain specs. But on the whole I mean.

[bleak sky]

ackkchually going from 80 apm to 85apm is really hard ok

[balmy condor]

Sapzilla literally just did 15 seconds earlier

[slow marsh]

Oh darn I have BS and skull and xbones I guess I just have to SS once and finish instead of twice

[strange python]

Low key think energy management as sin is harder than button mash as outlaw.

[clever kindle]

I thought you were talking to me, my bad

[thorn fjord]

Energy management? Y'all dont just bash your face on the keyboard?

[slow marsh]

The only thing "hard" about outlaw is making sure you vanish on cd and filling every global

[strange python]

I'd bet the average "outlaw is akshually super hard" players wouldn't get 3/4 env in a shiv, bad uptime on dots, and this coming tier would whiff vend windows

[slow marsh]

as long as you smash buttons on your keyboard as outlaw you'll be fine

[timid cloud]

I can’t tell if this is goalposting…

[balmy condor]

4 envenoms during shiv

[timid cloud]

4?!

THIS LEGION?

[oak sky]

Envenoms during shiv matters

[balmy condor]

This man is CRACKED out of his mind

[rotund oak]

because its that interaction that makes a specc looking like it goes into crack.If u roll TB and BS u litrally press more btes u build with less ss,u dump less dispatches,u press more BF's,u vanish more and all this might not be on the same ''rotational'' logic because they are not coming back at the same time.(We have to send eveyrhting on cd there because we dont want to overcap on anything 😛 )

[timid cloud]

He’s getting 5 CP EVERY hit.

[thorn fjord]

the dream

[clever kindle]

thats when u crit with ur dick

and 2 daggers

[thorn fjord]

i think you guys are arguing semantics at this point

[timid cloud]

[strange python]

And then number of mutilates you press changes based on how much you crit. Every spec has adaptation.

[balmy condor]

Double critting with shadowblades from sepsis and then getting 3 more envenoms in during the last 4 seconds of shiv or something

[clever kindle]

1, 2, or if the game truly hates you

3 mutilates

[timid cloud]

[slow marsh]

I only get 5 bangers every time I roll, only reason I pink parse on outlaw

[thorn fjord]

I suck at RNG making me a useless pirate

[oak sky]

Respeccing subtlety and abusing a bug to get their 4p set as sin then slamming envenom into envenom to achieve the fated 9 envenom shiv

[timid cloud]

I’m gonna c*m.

[balmy condor]

Better than any external

[clever kindle]

damage to all those puny weakling mobs that arent bosses vs damage to bosses

[oak sky]

My envenoms in shiv BAAAAAAT

[balmy condor]

[rotund oak]

Assa's adaptation is press one more mutilate,outlaws is gs/mfd/vanish-ambush/sbs-ER?/

[clever kindle]

a story of not running out

[strange python]

You guys aren't shivving at 3, env>double crit Mut>env>double crit Mut>env>double crit Mut>env every pull? Skill issue tbh.

[timid cloud]

LOL

[rotund oak]

i may forget something about otl 😄

pistol shot

[slow marsh]

pressing more buttons =/= adaptation

[clever kindle]

what they should do is give outlaw 3 more off cooldown buttons that marginally increase dps and then wonder why theres 500 players

[strange python]

Our demo lock 98 parsed sanctum on his alt outlaw rogue. It's not a hard spec.

[bleak sky]

what does one thing have to do with another though

[rotund oak]

adaptation is how u press more buttons based on ur combat state wdym.Its the definition of adaptation

[strange python]

If someone who isn't even a rogue can do it, it's not very hard.

[slow marsh]

except you're not pressing any more buttons than normal

[clever kindle]

pepega take

[slow marsh]

i dont get how you dont understand that

[bleak sky]

people can play multiple specs

what a shocker

[slender berry]

i can log on literally any class in the game as long as it has gear and parse 98 , it means nothing

[timid cloud]

I’ve been told…

[clever kindle]

because you play one spec it means your bad at other classes

[strange python]

He's not a rogue player. He's a warlock otp who made an alt.

[oak sky]

No spec is hard they are all solved and have a known rotation they are all learnable

[timid cloud]

I’m a multi class lord by some people.

[oak sky]

Like

[timid cloud]

[slow marsh]

do you even shiv to 5

[balmy condor]

Pooling cp for shiv

[strange python]

Y'all too hyped on arguing with this outlaw, running way too hot.

[rotund oak]

that we can all agree 100%

[thorn fjord]

"Do you even shiv to 5"

[clever kindle]

NO my spec is the hardest and everyone that doesnt play it smells

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

So why are you arguing about outlaw being harder homie

[thorn fjord]

Sin channel spicy today

[slow marsh]

[clever kindle]

Its an opinion and was the topic of discussion

[timid cloud]

[nimble tartan]

i am the greatest player of all time everytime i touch my keyboard and log into world of warcraft azeroth moans

[bleak sky]

outlaws are madge because they press 3120 buttons a second to do 85% of sins single target damage

[rotund oak]

because there is a lvl of mastery that requires more to achieve between those two specs

says that both are not hard

doesnt mean they are

[bleak sky]

absolutely true and facts

[rotund oak]

ive agreed that both are learnable

[timid cloud]

Okay.

[strange python]

Shit was pretty obviously a joke. Y'all are heated today because of the outlaw huh

[timid cloud]

Outlaw is a pick up & play spec. That is just the hottest take.

[balmy condor]

I’m not heated at all

[clever kindle]

Outlaw is just rogue fury warrior

[oak sky]

Im laughinf

Internally

Rn

[clever kindle]

[timid cloud]

I’m dying, cringing, & laughing at the same time.

[strange python]

This channel hotter than a Ukrainian energy plant atm

[slow marsh]

ooga booga zug zug included

[clever kindle]

[bleak sky]

this is colder than my heart brother

[thorn fjord]

too soon

[balmy condor]

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

Outlaw presses a lot of buttons

This is my take

[rotund oak]

./vanish

[clever kindle]

this is true

[rotund oak]

😅

[clever kindle]

many buttons little value

[timid cloud]

[bleak sky]

we should just agree

[rotund oak]

[bleak sky]

that sub is objectively the best spec and just play sub

[timid cloud]

STOP

Seli is gonna come in here & beat you.

[clever kindle]

I have a restraining order against Sub after Legion sorry

[bleak sky]

I'm 6'11 305 lbs built like a tank

[clever kindle]

I was forced to play on Wifi

[thorn fjord]

Right? Why not just play Afi lock if you're going to play sin

[clever kindle]

and 65% of the time my DFA combo wouldnt go off

[thorn fjord]

[rotund oak]

sub is considered the strongest rn but i dont wanna touch it for pve,its depressing to press 5 buttons

[clever kindle]

even after the animations did

[timid cloud]

You have to add in that you’re joking during a busy time like this.

[rotund oak]

cant wait to sht on sub with NF assa

will send the pain

[thorn fjord]

Shaq?

[bleak sky]

shaqondeez nuts

gottem

[clever kindle]

I saw shaq DJ at EDC

[timid cloud]

Who didn’t?

Dude is a giant.

[clever kindle]

Was significantly better then I expected, he goes by DJ Diesel

and yeah also very easy to spot in the crowd afterwards

[oak sky]

Shaq does a lot of cool shit

[bleak sky]

he tells good stories

idk if they're cap or not but I like listening to him

[thorn fjord]

he bought me a bike at a walmart

[strange python]

If having the most buttons on your bars is the metric for spec difficulty then clearly druids are impossible.

[slow marsh]

I only have 4 buttons

they are all 4 macros

that cycle through my rotation

Oh sorry thought I was in TSL in BM channel my bad

[thorn fjord]

Lets all just reroll frost dk

[versed mica]

I've been kind of enjoying arms warrior lately, let's reroll that

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/handbag-fasion-gif-3534591

[brazen zodiac]

please u got the warmest soul in the land

who u tryna fool

[bleak sky]

I've been salty af all week in here

[brazen zodiac]

have u

last i remember u were having a mental breakdown over the new affix

cute

dont be salty too much sodium is bad for ur insides

be bitter cant go wrong with that

[thorn fjord]

Give it a few weeks and the 9.2 excitement will die down

and the channel will go back to being quite

[versed mica]

I don't like the new affix either lol, having relics on bosses stresses me out lmao

[obtuse robin]

trust vit she knows all there is to know about insides

[subtle tundra]

im just happy i dont have to play with slow every end boss

[bleak sky]

That's def nice

And tanking without soggy up must be nice as well

[brazen zodiac]

you bet ;)

wait probably not good to wink at that dear lord

[obtuse robin]

no its not lmao

[brazen zodiac]

hey i gotta have fun with my job

[obtuse robin]

fun doign ur job

[brazen zodiac]

cant be all doom and gloom even tho its literally exactly doom and gloom

XXD

[obtuse robin]

dear lord stop

[tight ginkgo]

After the bonus effect faded in a top I ran this week I was like “and that’s it.” And I felt a little sad. But then was stoked I wasn’t slugging around dodging her shit

[brazen zodiac]

u dont understand if i dont meme ill literally just not wanna do it

its so depressing

[obtuse robin]

hahaa

[brazen zodiac]

probs same reason why cops make those kinda jokes and doctors and stuff

mere cope

[gusty mirage]

[obtuse robin]

i know bro

[brazen zodiac]

@bleak sky if i make u some cinnamon french toast will u be a happy gamer

[gusty mirage]

I want cinnamon french toast 😦

[brazen zodiac]

u get some too

everyone gets some

[brazen zodiac]

ANATOMY OXI

ANATOMY

u cant perform a heart tap unless u know where the heart is RIGHT?

[obtuse robin]

after what she just said idk if i want food prepared by vit

[brazen zodiac]

i promise u

im probably the cleanest person u would meet

lmfao

i have 2 bathrooms 1 for work 1 for life

well 2 showers i mean

[tight ginkgo]

Are you a serial killer irl or something

[brazen zodiac]

shut up u would ABSOLUTELY eat my spicy mac n cheese with chicken marinated

no im a funeral director

i pump dead people

[tight ginkgo]

Oh hey cool

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i get to make mere cope jokes and look at weird stuff

[gusty mirage]

taken out of context, this is great

[brazen zodiac]

yes it absolutely is

plus i get to do all different cultural stuff and see how other religions and stuff do their thing

super eye opening stuff

[obtuse robin]

mf said i pump dead poeple

[tight ginkgo]

Yeah funeral directors do good stuff

[obtuse robin]

im fucking done

[tight ginkgo]

Good on you.

[brazen zodiac]

sure some days i have to call the police cause the family brings a giant sword to perform a ritualistic cleansing but

other days its pretty casual

[obtuse robin]

[brazen zodiac]

im not joking about that either people are WILD

and i think that was like what my 6th day on the job at the new place?

[brazen zodiac]

yeah but sadly a lot do a lot of bad and its been legal to do so for so long

and i mean since like the 1960s

the only reason why things havent changed even more is cause of JFKs death

[tight ginkgo]

Sounds like my work as a public librarian :)))))

[brazen zodiac]

LOL

sounds based man idk

my bfs dad said to me "back in my day we had public librarians who knew everything"

like u guys just dont exist anymore lmfao

[obtuse robin]

have you see the show you

[brazen zodiac]

whats it about sounds spooky

[tight ginkgo]

I’ve not

[bleak sky]

vita: based

[brazen zodiac]

some of it is bro like

[obtuse robin]

stalker librarian serial killer

[tight ginkgo]

And yeah librarians out here fighting for people’s right to free stuff. Among other things.

[brazen zodiac]

on god the crazisst funerals ive been to are baptists and not crazy as in bad but crazy as in like

like these guys are dancing praising god that their loved one is dead cause to them they made it into heaven and its like

idk its so cool how other people look at death vs america

its all doom and gloom but these people throwin parties and dancing like icrazy

cuz to them its just another journey into whatever comes after death

its also just based these dudes rip their shirts off and jump on the casket screaming joy to the world

[dreamy quail]

little curious.. been running sims on my character and its actually telling me to go haste/mastery.. is there a soft cap for mastery that I'm missing? I thought we wanted to go haste/crit? I mean I'll follow the sims but just wondering

[slow marsh]

if you are coming from 9.2 we have a ton of crit

[brazen zodiac]

maybe u just got enough haste/crit and now ur stats want a lil more other stuff

that too u probs have more crit then u need

sup blades

[slow marsh]

As long as you top gear all your stuff then just follow sims

stay away from stat weights tho

[dreamy quail]

ty figured as much...

[brazen zodiac]

i dont think stat weights are that awful if you know how to use them properly