assassination

[limber lion]

They killed all 6 up to Halondrus

[nocturne geode]

what if cev just thinks hes not doing splits? 🤔

[oak sky]

Nice

[limber lion]

Missed out on 6 bosses unfort and one tier boss

[upbeat needle]

rip

[limber lion]

But it is what it is

[slow marsh]

Cev not doing splits, he's a chill gamer now

[timid cloud]

[limber lion]

Yeh, big chilling

[oak sky]

I cant wait to get my 2nd tier piece off halondrus on monday

[slow marsh]

Bing chillin still getting ezpz r1s

[timid cloud]

I can’t wait to get my first & it’s that shit haste mastery piece.

[nocturne geode]

soe mastery good

some*

[timid cloud]

I’d love to get gear from heroic!

[brazen zodiac]

hey cev im pokin around ur plater profile, having trouble trying to figure out how to make it so enemy nameplates dont fade under any circumstances. any advice?

[nocturne geode]

🙂

[brazen zodiac]

also sup

[timid cloud]

[slow marsh]

general settings, transparency

used for nothing

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i found that, selected nothing

but its still fading

[slow marsh]

Use no combat alpha

[nocturne geode]

i got that 5 min cd trink

poggies

[brazen zodiac]

is that also in general settings, ice?

found it

ty very much!

[slow marsh]

Yeah np i'm messing with mine too xD

[brazen zodiac]

the search bar in plater actually giga useful lmfao

would you by chance know how to adjust the size and textures of our bleeds and other dots?

[slow marsh]

Buff settings - aura frames

[oak sky]

U wanna be like me

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

OH WAIT

[limber lion]

@spice spire

private logs

[spice spire]

Private logs

My one weakness

[limber lion]

floor pov

[spice spire]

Luckily there’s a Colour rogue streaming

[oak sky]

Give it to me straight cev

Whats the number to beat

[limber lion]

Well according to that pull

[oak sky]

Kekw

Idk if I can do that one

[limber lion]

But around 10.4k I think

[fallow canopy]

Any thoughts on the cache trinket from Xy'mox?

[nimble tartan]

omgg cheat death did not save u!!!

[balmy condor]

Pretty good

[spice spire]

Ur pretty good

[fallow canopy]

I've read somewhere that the wand is good for st and the axe for aoe but I'm not sure if that kind of thing is simmable through raidbots? I've tried simming it but it was a dps loss on a shitty trinket I have from SoD

[balmy condor]

It’s simmable but I think you need custom code

Trinkets are still not fully implemented

So it’s all going to be under simming until all of them get tested and put in properly

[fallow canopy]

oh well, thanks! I'll try using it to get used to the buff and the timing with it and see how it feels

[cedar edge]

Sub vs assas, arena, 9.2?

[slow marsh]

#pvp

[glass tulip]

2s sub 3s sin I would say tho

but im also bad so

[limber lion]

@oak sky yeah just killed it, this was it

[solid venture]

[oak sky]

Ok now I need to beat him too

He got externals

[limber lion]

Yeh, 4 PI's

yuk

[oak sky]

[fleet anchor]

I mean Halondrus numbers are gonna be all over the place

[oak sky]

I got fae guardians on xymox

Kinda pissed about that

[fleet anchor]

Depending on how much you have to run out

[subtle tundra]

i dont run out bruv

[oak sky]

I didnt even know i had them

So i didnt play around them

[limber lion]

Yeah but that goes for every boss in the game pretty much

If you get cucked by mechanics, it's over

:P

[fleet anchor]

Fight will be a lot different on Mythic when you don't have like 13 melee taking up literally every square inch of space around the boss

with the AoEs

[limber lion]

Yeh

[fleet anchor]

Lots of these fights scale REALLY badly with number of raiders

in terms of usable melee space

[spice spire]

The true question

[fleet anchor]

Just play that fight on 10 man and chill

[spice spire]

Did you defeat the sub menace?

[fleet anchor]

So much space for activities

[limber lion]

Nah Sub is op

Push did 11.5k

[fleet anchor]

I mean Sub with 0% miss chance on Halondrus is gonna pump

[spice spire]

push needs to chill

Yeah for sure though

[fleet anchor]

Our DPS was really low because of our positioning strat but I was #1 in our raid as Sub by a considerable amount

[spice spire]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/29#boss=2529

Holy moly

[fleet anchor]

DW specs gonna feast on that fight

[limber lion]

Me and Push both beat the previous top boys

rogue-boys

together

[fleet anchor]

That fight is kinda cheating the stats for melee specs

[limber lion]

🤝

[proper summit]

😦

[fleet anchor]

I'm gonna love when Blizz looks at the Heroic W1 stats and thinks melee is OP

[limber lion]

[fleet anchor]

So we can watch Balance Druids doing 18k DPS during prog

[spice spire]

Boomkin buffs inc

[fleet anchor]

Buff Balance and Warlocks

Clearly

[balmy condor]

Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw

[fleet anchor]

It's actually moderately amusing

That the top specs on T28 4pc profiles

Are Balance, Warlock, Frost Mage, Elemental

And they're all at the bottom this week

🤣

[bleak sky]

are you also playing sub cev?

for halondrus

[balmy condor]

B Tier spec Whispyr was right actual SAVANT of a tier list maker, infinite IQ, tettles crying and shitting and cumming

[spice spire]

Feral Druid truly needs a nerf

[nimble tartan]

u good bro?

[bleak sky]

all the 6 outlaw players

[glass tulip]

dont forget farding

[bleak sky]

absolutely cracked out of their minds

[fleet anchor]

Balance D tier

Needs buffs

[fleet anchor]

Make it happen

[balmy condor]

I’m opening Twitter right now Qwik won’t know what hit him

When he finds out I was on a limit max stream for 2 minutes and 27 seconds

[subtle tundra]

whispyr

[balmy condor]

Oh man

[subtle tundra]

you are my mommy

[spice spire]

Since I can’t log watch Cev, I’ll await this juicer

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

is deeper stratagem in m+ optimized?

like ruptures on 4cp

to get energy rollin

on pull

[balmy condor]

That doesn’t sound good

[fleet anchor]

Why would CP matter

[balmy condor]

Also why would the ruptures matter you get 3 garrotes out at the start anyway

Maybe even 4

That’s already nearing saturation

[fleet anchor]

I mean Ruptures still do more damage

[balmy condor]

Yeah but the argument is for the energy right

[fleet anchor]

What part of the argument?

[balmy condor]

This

[fleet anchor]

It's never been worth caring about CP other than 4+ for Rupture, Deeper or not

[limber lion]

Nah

[balmy condor]

But the energy rolling at the start of pulls is the garrotes

Are… the garrotes

[fleet anchor]

Rupture has the same DPS no matter what, it's just the duration that is lower

[balmy condor]

The energy is… the garrote are

[fleet anchor]

And the duration is unlikely to matter in this situation anyway

[balmy condor]

Idk fuck english

Yeah

[fleet anchor]

And energy efficiency doesn't matter when you are energy capped

[balmy condor]

True true

[unborn needle]

With all the adds/cleave in this raid, I feel like Assas is going to feel bad vs Sub once we have 4pc sets.

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

You mean the other way around

[limber lion]

Assassination >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sub in cleave

[fleet anchor]

Well depends on the Sub lottery

Sub highroll pulls will be giga lol

Sub AoE damage is gonna be super gambling

But personally I expect to be swapping spec a lot

With 4pc

Right now I think Sub is probably just better for most fights without tier

But Assassination looks pretty juicy going forward once they pull closer

[solid venture]

got r1 on xymox

[balmy condor]

For now

[fleet anchor]

Just assume Cev has R1 on everything and is just hiding it

😛

[solid venture]

my log is private too

[spice spire]

Push has been pushing the private logging agenda for Colour.
Truly an enemy of log watchers everywhere

None of this info is true btw

[subtle tundra]

i couldnt type cause i started the boss, but my argument is that on pull the targets with garrotes wont always get poison so sometimes its a very slow start

[timid cloud]

Sub is fucking GARBANZO in 2 targets.

[oak sky]

Little better with set

[bleak sky]

still trash

but better

[oak sky]

Oh yeah

[bleak sky]

still absolute shit getting run over by a truck of flaming shit

but better

[timid cloud]

100% x 0.10 is still nothing.

[oak sky]

Playing sub on dreadlords will be grief

[timid cloud]

[limber lion]

Okay our healer just got 2 set

[slow marsh]

rip

[limber lion]

I've heard the same tale from multiple guilds now

:(

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s just how it be brother hit a fok

[spice spire]

OOOOOOF

Any pieces Cev?

[solid venture]

healers getting all the loot

did 6 hc bosses today and 0 loot

[limber lion]

I've gotten 0 loot in total.

[timid cloud]

Friends guild had their Enhancement get 2p

Actual

[oak sky]

Gingi got hunter 2p

Lucky guy

World first 2p

[drowsy parcel]

trial resto shaman in my guild got 2p

[oak sky]

Im gonna get 2p monday when i get loot off halondrus

[limber lion]

Who wants to take me with them to do the first 6 bosses on heroic :3

[cerulean junco]

Week 8 tier set incoming

Was told you can’t get tier from vault next week which is sad if true

[copper sundial]

That would be a shame

[limber lion]

I don't see why you wouldn't

Maybe I'll pug the first 6 on heroic

probably a miserable experience

[spice spire]

That sounds miserable yeah lol

[copper sundial]

I wonder if pugs are already clearing that

[spice spire]

Xymox on heroic sounds like absolute dog water

[oak sky]

You can get tier in vault starting the 8th

Which is tuesday

From all slots i think

[timid cloud]

If you even make it that far.

[glass tulip]

That is correct by what I know

[timid cloud]

Imagine trying to do Prototype with pugs.

[glass tulip]

you'll only get 3rd raid slot on normal

unless you are gigachad

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

Ill have at least 5 good ilvl slots

[timid cloud]

No shot very many people kill Anduin this week.

[oak sky]

Unless they nerf it

[timid cloud]

Not including any M+ gear.***

Or if you do…p-p-

🤢

PvP….

🤮

[glass tulip]

we're going into normal anduin tonihgt, hope we dont pull heroic

[timid cloud]

I think we’re going to do Xy’mox & spidery, then go to normal & do spidery & Anduin.

[obtuse robin]

yo @limber lion your plater profile doesnt show sbs bleed on mob how i fix that

[timid cloud]

Not looking forward to Xy’mox after what I saw in N…

[zinc frost]

We did a couple of pulls of Anduin, very spicy fight

[limber lion]

Yes it does

It colors the entire bar green

[obtuse robin]

ahhhh

[glass tulip]

we took about 5 pulls and got to 2nd intermission so it should go down easily

we have 4 hours for raid

[timid cloud]

Was it a lot of setup?

[glass tulip]

everyone but me goes in blind

which I was not told so i did homework lol

so just fucking around its not that bad

[oak sky]

I dont mind xymox i think its a solidly ok fight

Have to see mythic to be sure

[spice spire]

I don’t either, I’m personally a fan of boss design so far

Outside of vigilant

[oak sky]

Yep

Vg is so bad

[glass tulip]

I played like shit on both xymox difficulties

[charred wraith]

xy mox is cool, if on mythic it plays towards the overlaps its gonna be awesome immo

[oak sky]

Like i dont think I fully understood how bad vg was when i watched peoples takes on it and ptr testinf

[spice spire]

It did originally

But I don’t think that’s the change

[oak sky]

My favorite part of xymox is when you take the portal and he says "you cant even control where you stand" then you immediately get gripped to the tank

Its like donny cleansing your sins

Sick fight moment

[glass tulip]

RP in encounters

[oak sky]

Bro

Dialogue helps me get my bearings and shit

[spice spire]

Heard you were into ERP! (extreme raid progression)

[oak sky]

Unironically

[glass tulip]

it really does

[woeful wigeon]

i like the never ending bag you get from him

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

Like rp calls can help your timings and stuff a lot

[spice spire]

Yeah they do

[balmy condor]

Rip Penis

[spice spire]

It’s why my game sound is at 3% and not 0

[timid cloud]

The pen is in her mouth.

Right Whispyr?

[glass tulip]

the rhythm of mutilate globals help my rotation

[balmy condor]

that's right

[glass tulip]

no cap

[balmy condor]

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

Sir?

[woeful wigeon]

whisp is it normal i am struggling to reach 6k dps on boss as 250ilvl in norml feels weird tbh

[balmy condor]

no that's frankly a skill issue

[oak sky]

[spice spire]

Is this another whispyr fan boy? Aka <Dead on my Screen> - Area 52?

[oak sky]

Might depend on the boss

🤔

[glass tulip]

wdym quake i grew up playing music so the sound helps me remember what im supposed to do next

[spice spire]

Maybe for VG

[balmy condor]

yeh I guess VG

but like

first boss

lmao

[spice spire]

You’d think something else would help you gain rhythm not checks notes mutilate sound byte

I’m memeing ofc, whatever works

But that’s unironically an interesting thing

[balmy condor]

mavverick the gamer with two left feet hands

[drowsy parcel]

sub is the rhythm spec for rogues i think

assassin is more grooving

go with the flow

[thorn fjord]

Which effect do we want on the crafted ring?

or is it in pins

[balmy condor]

avoidance

[thorn fjord]

my brain is fried

Ty @balmy condor

[versed mica]

Outlaw is

[balmy condor]

dumb as fuck?

[drowsy parcel]

outlaw

[versed mica]

Lmfao

[nimble tartan]

me listening to my shadowstrikes feeling the tempo

pure skill

[thorn fjord]

for raid Aealic Harmonizing Stone would be the regeant to go with right? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

sure

idk what that does

but sounds cool

[loud light]

pretty sure the uptime on that thing is awful

[gusty mirage]

What did I come back to

[paper bridge]

Someone knows why Warcraft Logs removed parses ? I nearly dropped 100 ranks because my highest parses were removed xD

*from SOD

[median silo]

hacker

[oak sky]

a lot of parses got removed because of the dagger bug

[loud light]

unethical dagger-er

[viscid spear]

Killed both tier bosses, nothing
Got a dagger tho

[paper bridge]

I sold my soul for pi and empowerment on this try’s

[viscid spear]

My Mage gets PIs all the time, Rogue gets zilch

[median silo]

You need to cause a rift between the priests and mages. Comment to each other in DM's about how the other 1 is so slow on their buffs

[austere lintel]

is theotar simming better than nadja when the tea gives a certain buff?

[glass tulip]

usually crit and haste sim higher while the others are lower

you can check it with an advanced sim and paste this at the bottom

profileset."versatility"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=versatility"
profileset."crit"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit"
profileset."haste"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste"```

[austere lintel]

tyvm

[gusty mirage]

Bear Druid kindred?

If so that’s why, sac/guardian KA was giving us free stacks of banshee’s

Wcl flagged em

[lapis trail]

is the Cache of Acquired Treasures actually decent or just a sim trap?

[glass tulip]

mine simmed at -500 dps

so I dont think its bait lol

[balmy condor]

cahce is okay

[restive falcon]

whispyr is it alright to play venthyr with 4piece double leggo?

the night fae leggo doesnt seem fun but still playing around wit hit

[balmy condor]

fae is ahead a good bit

but sure

[bleak sky]

everything is alright to play

if it makes you happy

[balmy condor]

I don't really get the fae lego thing though

with 4 piece sepsis gets condensed

and it's fine

[bleak sky]

it's a videogame and you gotta have fun

[restive falcon]

is it just the night fae leggo the reason we go fae?

[balmy condor]

it's tier + night fae lego

[viscid spear]

It's Sepsis' interaction with 4pc

[balmy condor]

no

[limber lion]

Necro is a better covenant without double lego, but Deathspike is a dead legendary

[balmy condor]

it's 2 piece with sepsis, and 4pc subt garrote interacting with shadow blades

[gusty mirage]

[strange silo]

wait i dont get it how does the 2 piece interact with sepsis? i mean doesnt shiv already interact with it

[upbeat needle]

Hmmm

@limber lion Think necro will be better for H Prototype at 64 or should I just stick Venth Obe

[balmy condor]

necro is for sure the way on pantheon

[upbeat needle]

EVEN AT 64??

[balmy condor]

2 piece increases poison damage, sepsis counts as a poison

[balmy condor]

idk what that number means

but sure

[upbeat needle]

Renown

lol

[balmy condor]

oh

lmao like that fucking matters

[oak sky]

you would only be missing empowered conduits

and

heimir has shit late traits

[balmy condor]

oh no my 1 empowered potency conduit

what shall I do

[oak sky]

if you went marileth i guess it would matter more right

[balmy condor]

without this 30 dps

[upbeat needle]

oh shit

[strange silo]

ohh okay so does it count twice 40%? because sepsis already deals nature dmg right?

[upbeat needle]

well iight bet

good looks gang

[balmy condor]

the 2 piece is it's own debuff

if that's the question

shiv already increases nature damage baseline

regardless of 2 piece

[strange silo]

so it buffs the dmg pop at the end of sepsis or am i stupid and dont get it because sepsis the dot part is nature dmg right? so shiv already buffs that part

[balmy condor]

shiv baseline increases nature damage, sepsis is nature damage, all of sepsis gets buffed

2 piece buffs poison damage, sepsis counts as a poison for that, all of sepsis gets buffed

they are each their own buff to the ability

[limber lion]

Yes

[balmy condor]

therefore they stack

[limber lion]

Necro with Zoldick

[upbeat needle]

Still SBS>Gar>SBS>Gar > SND Opener on Proto?

[limber lion]

doesn't honestly matter

[gusty mirage]

Zold gang

[limber lion]

just put up all bleeds asap

[strange silo]

ok that i got yea kinda brain lag thanks for the explanation

[upbeat needle]

and vanish for empowered garrotes on boss

got it

[gusty mirage]

Wha

[balmy condor]

ye

[limber lion]

Yeh

[gusty mirage]

Y’all mfers playing subterfuge on pantheon?

[balmy condor]

of course

[upbeat needle]

let's blast

yeah Oxi it's the move

[oak sky]

yes

[upbeat needle]

apparently

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

subterfuge for sure on pantheon

[oak sky]

subt better for full 2t cleave

[upbeat needle]

DS too Oxi

[oak sky]

simmed and Led and ratioed

[upbeat needle]

DEEPER MAN

[oak sky]

indeed

[gusty mirage]

Wild

I inted my pantheon kill

[upbeat needle]

Cev what about Venom Rush

[oak sky]

its been simmed

[gusty mirage]

Too bad so sad

[limber lion]

wtf

[upbeat needle]

Heard it was super cracked talent

LMAO

[oak sky]

someone ban him

[gusty mirage]

I was thinking about playing subterfuge and talked myself out of it

[upbeat needle]

!ban Trench

[gusty mirage]

Just gonna delete that

[balmy condor]

yo bet I can do that

[gusty mirage]

And pretend you didn’t type it

[balmy condor]

I played vigor cause I'm a clown

[upbeat needle]

bro Whispyr

pls

dont

!ban

[balmy condor]

!ban @upbeat needle

[upbeat needle]

DONT

SAY IT

[gusty mirage]

Vigor felt like a waste of a talent tbh

[upbeat needle]

wait Oxi what you delete

[gusty mirage]

Completely unnecessary

[solid venture]

Didn't feel that bad at all tbh

[bleak sky]

he about to delete your account homie

[balmy condor]

yeah but what you gonna do

[gusty mirage]

The stupid you posted. You’re welcome

[upbeat needle]

ayoooooooooo

[balmy condor]

we kyrian sub until xymox today

[oak sky]

ur basically gcd locked even with deeper on pantheon

perma 4+ dots

[upbeat needle]

I lowkey forgot what I said I be typing away

[gusty mirage]

Xymox is fun

[gusty mirage]

Lmao bruh I’m scared to check how much energy I wasted

[balmy condor]

can't wait to kick balls on halondrus

[upbeat needle]

You mean Xanesh??

[balmy condor]

but the only balls I'm tryna kick are @gusty mirage's

[gusty mirage]

I’m killing your beep boop friend tonight whispyr

And he’s gonna drop a tier piece

Or dagger

[balmy condor]

got my steel toed boots on

[gusty mirage]

[upbeat needle]

Guys I think I found a cracked build for Sin

[balmy condor]

the way he likes it

[gusty mirage]

Stop I can only get so hard

[balmy condor]

!ban

[upbeat needle]

No?

[gusty mirage]

Delete this or I delete you

[strange python]

i played sub a lot the past few weeks i forgot how good assa feels in keys

[strange python]

pls tell me u use this to roleplay in dalaran sewers

[upbeat needle]

Yessirrrrrrr

That's my RP build fasho

I only play Assa in ToP tbh

[timid cloud]

What in the mental illness...

[upbeat needle]

#MakeVenomRushGreat

I would say again but I don't think it's ever been great

[viscid spear]

What build is this?

[spice spire]

Pantheon probably

[limber lion]

Yeh

Unlucky Pantheon wipe

[viscid spear]

Wasn't it good at some point in BfA?

[brazen zodiac]

necro?

pog

[zinc frost]

What percentage was boss?

[limber lion]

2%

[zinc frost]

Sheesh, you are an animal

[bleak sky]

that's some damage

[limber lion]

I've been here

for over 3 hours now

on this single boss

[glass tulip]

in a pug?

[violet hemlock]

I do arti tn is he hard or should I be chilling

[limber lion]

yes sir

We didn't kill it :'(

But at least it was good practice

[timid cloud]

Told you, that boss is miserable.

[hollow escarp]

takes a few pulls

[timid cloud]

I mean fun, but also like...it's a struggle.

Idk what I'm doing for Anduin N

Like setup wise.

Suggestions?

[limber lion]

3.5 hours worth of pulls

[timid cloud]

[limber lion]

pugs are rough

Super sadge I missed out on our heroic raid today

[timid cloud]

Yeah, that's a pug killer right there.

[limber lion]

But we got to 2% with the pug

so that's pretty pog

good practice

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

That's actually nutty.

[hollow escarp]

don't think I'll pug anything other than guardian, skolex and maybe sausage

on alts ofc

[limber lion]

Our guild two-shot Pantheon

so this 3.5 hour grind is a bit miserable in comparison

[hollow escarp]

didn't make it to raid?

[limber lion]

No, I had a concert

[violet hemlock]

howd the concert go

[limber lion]

Got to kill Hal with the guild, but missed out on everything else

[limber lion]

Good, pretty fun

[spiral moat]

Hi, noob question. For this fight do you Mut or FOK for Ph1 and 2? Before all 4 of them comes down

[limber lion]

Mutilate

[spiral moat]

Thank u 🙏🏼

[upbeat needle]

8% pull on Proto is this even good?

fucking hard as shit managing all these bleeds

[violet hemlock]

well ur doing less than enhance so cant be good

[limber lion]

Yeh that's decent

my best pull was the 13.4k without wft

but the best pub pull is 12.4k

But it's good practice for maintaining bleeds

Just keep wiping on it for 4 hours and you'll get used to managing the bleeds

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[brazen zodiac]

yeah esp with necro

[viscid spear]

Necrotic Wake group asking for a Necrolord

Unless they mean the name of the dungeon is Necro...

[upbeat needle]

bro we just killed and I got 9.7

fuck

[viscid spear]

[upbeat needle]

I died in p3 I got giga griefed

[oak sky]

Literally I was around 12.6 but renewal was out in narnia and took a fex extra seconds to kill because half the boys were dead

Also @bleak sky why no venthyr dh

[limber lion]

yeh the p3 is fucking rough

I like the gameplay portion of it

but I fucking hate dying to passive damage from not getting enough healing

like literally nothing I can do

[oak sky]

Ye

Not fun

[limber lion]

all potions healthstones cloak

everything on cd

and I dodge everything

and still die

[oak sky]

Im sure that won't happen in your main raid

[limber lion]

Yeh def

I was surprised they killed it in 2 pulls

They said it's a tough boss

but almost oneshot it

But yeh def a pug nightmare

I'm sure you'll eventually outgear the fight so it's whatever

[upbeat needle]

what's the move for Lihu

prolly venth w CT right?

[limber lion]

Yeh

[bleak sky]

not until double leggo

and I'm gonna delay venthyr as much as possible

because it's shit to play

[strange silo]

Artificer with ct too or nah?

[snow skiff]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

yes

[strange silo]

thanks
and i looked at the guides method one isnt updated yet,wowhead recommends ct and iv says pb :d

[balmy condor]

don't look at guides for boss info that's hella dumb just look at warcraftlogs

[brazen zodiac]

really ct on art?

well shit rad

[slow marsh]

Why not

Pretty much any fight that has more than one thing to hit we run CT

[strange python]

Question : ) on pantheon would you rupture all 4 adds or just 3

[slow marsh]

bleed everything

Zold puts in work

[glass tulip]

theotar really is just cancer on these fights

[trim zinc]

hype first piece

[glass tulip]

dausegne felt terrible

[hollow escarp]

venthyr feels good on that fight

[glass tulip]

nadjia would be good, theo was not

shade spawning right before the burn on the wrong side

running rings, etc

[hollow escarp]

I'm thinking more about door

[glass tulip]

A single door is more than enough when you can shadowstep it too

[slow marsh]

nadj procs are actually really nice for obed

[glass tulip]

yeah im gonna be trying it next week

[slow marsh]

easy leg tier boys

[brazen zodiac]

pog

both the warriors in my group got theirs first

[hollow escarp]

wrong items

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[glass tulip]

15 bosses 2 pieces

[balmy condor]

I got lihuvim dagger

0.3% mainhand

[hollow escarp]

[glass tulip]

[balmy condor]

it's -2% for sub though

[glass tulip]

the plan is all coming together....

[hollow escarp]

giv dagger

[glass tulip]

on to heroic anduin

downed normal anduin in 2 pulls 🙃

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[glass tulip]

and I got dropped in p1 because people cant take stars out of the raid

[brazen zodiac]

yeah that mechanic based

idk

[limber lion]

+1% for me, gibe ;(

requesting someone to take me with them on a heroic sightseeing tour of the first 6 bosses

[brazen zodiac]

i mean

we're doin like the last 3 of the first 6 tomorrow around 8 but im sure ur tryna find one rn lmao

anduin fight super fun

too bad my shit gets so laggy i cant just mfd 24/7

[limber lion]

Nah, I'm an EU boy

I doubt I'll find any guild who'd take a heroic refugee like me with them

[glass tulip]

[hollow escarp]

very unlikely

[limber lion]

because it'll risk me getting gear

which is something that they def don't want

A free dps who knows mechanics is always a fun addition

but a dps who steals all the loot

not so much

[obtuse robin]

yo on anduin all player heals contribute to the barrier right? like even dps using a cookie

[brazen zodiac]

oh right eu :(

[brazen zodiac]

pfft ur trolling bro ur like 50 dps in one dude

the ladies would LOVE YA

spread the positivity

[limber lion]

Nah, people just value gear over anything else the first few weeks

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i figured thatd be the real issue

[limber lion]

But I think I can pug Lihuvim or whatever his name is

and I'll be chill

So long as I can get that done

Well, I guess I need to kill a few more to get some vault options as well

ugh

[brazen zodiac]

ugh

i wish u the best of luck

[limber lion]

tyty

[brazen zodiac]

i cant beleive i didnt get a single piece of loot tier

how dare the rng gods do this to me

watch cev you gonna get the 2piece the lords have spoken

[slow marsh]

These sub players are dogs

i guess next time i'll pad on adds more

xD

[glass tulip]

what boss is that

[bleak sky]

lihuvim (?)

[glass tulip]

im also jsut confused what im looking at

[balmy condor]

I assume that's overall/boss damage?

but that doesn't make much sense either

maybe big add during intermission?

and just intermission?

but that's confusing too

[zinc frost]

Is the top one add damage bottom one boss damage?

[glass tulip]

damage to non boss mobs vs total dps I assume

[slow marsh]

it's anduin

Top is add damage bottom is boss damage

[split grail]

Quick question: Phantom Fire or Agi pots?

[glass tulip]

agi

[split grail]

ty

and stones over oil, yes?

[zinc frost]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[amber fossil]

when I input the !oil info into raidbots I actaully get a -value for using fire oil/oil. spect stonestone give +33. How can it be using either gives a -value?

[balmy condor]

because there's a default

[brazen zodiac]

hi whisp how u doin

[balmy condor]

halondrus pumps

[amber fossil]

I fig the default would be using nothing

[balmy condor]

no, the default is double stone agi I think

[upbeat needle]

I wonder how quickly logs gonna get inflated

Hmmm I sayyyyy

2 weeks

[clever kindle]

pantheon dead

[split grail]

Hmm...I never even thought of doing one stone one oil. But I guess since it's not optimal theres no point anyway

[upbeat needle]

Gz

[clever kindle]

ty

[upbeat needle]

We downed panth, lih, and art tonight. Felt good

[clever kindle]

just got to lih

[upbeat needle]

Panth like the worst boss and I think they just nerfed it

Or going to nerf it soon

[upbeat needle]

5 pull boss max bro

heroic right ?

[bleak sky]

Yes in 2 weeks while literally everyone is progging through mythic logs are gonna get inflated with externals

[glass tulip]

we are getting below 50% on H anduin, mid P2 is a real puzzle

[bleak sky]

does he die at 0?

[glass tulip]

yeah

1st intermission is lust, im scared to see 2nd without it

the necrotic burst add

[clever kindle]

ye heroic

the damage output of this boss seems so low compared to pantheon lol

[oak sky]

@bleak sky do i wake up early to trade liquid tier

[upbeat needle]

Fuck Minal I got the answer for you

SO

do you work tomorrow and if you trade tier do you get you gold from liquid?

[oak sky]

i have class tomorrow but its probably after the run

[upbeat needle]

DO YOU MAKE GOLD

BY TRADING TIER?

[oak sky]

2m if i actually trade

[upbeat needle]

Go get that bread boy

[oak sky]

aightr

[upbeat needle]

easiest 2m ever

Never been easier

[bleak sky]

easiest 2M

[timid cloud]

Gold is forever.

Loot is temporary.

Also signed Jersey.

[oak sky]

i only care about the gold

jersey is cool but i dont need it or anything

(i also wont get a drop)

they gave me a green check i think that means im picked

[slow marsh]

Swag

[floral shoal]

Which progenitor reagent do we use? Primary stat for raid and secondary for m+?

[slow marsh]

Probably secondary for both

Primary stat is really low uptime and gonna get replaced anyways

[split grail]

realm second on heroic Xymox. Should have just done the other bosses first lol

[balmy condor]

nah xymox is the play

xymox is a push-over

pantheon is harder

[gusty mirage]

xymox post-nerf is for sure significantly easier than pantheon

[clever kindle]

28th on illidan pogu

no tier set or dagger tho

[oak sky]

xymox wasnt that hard tbh

[gusty mirage]

those adds were kind of a bitch before they got nerfed

[oak sky]

even before nerf

we just held some cds for the adds

[gusty mirage]

ye we learned you had to focus them

yup

[clever kindle]

I think were gonna come back and kill xymox on sunday

[gusty mirage]

now you can prolly just passively cleave them

tbh

[oak sky]

then literally you make it through lust and you can make it through like the rest of the last phase with most of your raid dead

[gusty mirage]

also the wall hitbox being janky didn't help

this raid so far is a lot more fun than sod though

halondrus was fun af

[glass tulip]

doing this boss with 27 people feels so cringe

[gusty mirage]

anduin?

[glass tulip]

yeah

[clever kindle]

The scaling seems bad on a lot of bosses

[gusty mirage]

it's okay man just use your fancy new conduits that you got

fat 15 dps increases

[clever kindle]

I got bad shoulders

[gusty mirage]

I got a cloak and triple threat conduit

and planned execution

oh and lethal poisons I guess

[clever kindle]

I swapped to necro for pantheon and got sudden fractures

[gusty mirage]

[carmine token]

Yes dude such a cool boss concept!

[gusty mirage]

I hope they like take that forward tbh

[carmine token]

I definitely agree

[gusty mirage]

a lot of interesting fights this tier

[carmine token]

Some cool stuff yeah

[timid cloud]

The only bad fight so far is the first one.

But it'll be more fun on Mythic.

[spice spire]

I got bad news

I don’t think so

[slow marsh]

It will just be annoying on mythic

[spice spire]

Yeah

[slow marsh]

Casters that you have to cc / kick

More adds to ring out of defense zone

It's just as dumb just added annoyance because adds live slightly longer

[spice spire]

Maybe my alacrity won’t drop while waiting on adds

[glass tulip]

fuuuuuuuuck

got within 5% on the necrotic add to go to P3

[gusty mirage]

guardian sucks dick

actually a terrible boss

[glass tulip]

cooldowns are very telegraphed by now so thats nice

wont kill it this week but next it probably goes down p quick

[cerulean nest]

zold on pantheon right?

[gusty mirage]

ye

[past bobcat]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pwG5qHKE5YHefGGZ7NwwNX is this worth for panth fight over going 10.3k sims on sub?

[gusty mirage]

I don't think I'm understanding your question

but if your question is if you should play assassination over sub for pantheon

the answer is yes

[past bobcat]

Would someone be able to look and see if thats the best setup I have picked?

[gusty mirage]

you'd play subterfuge, deeper strategem, and crimson tempest for pantheon

that's for a patchwerk style fight, pure ST

and on pantheon you have consistent 2T cleave through p1 and p2, and 4T cleave in p3

[somber hill]

sync w vendetta set and forget?

[gusty mirage]

yeah I'd use it to juice your vendetta window

[somber hill]

ya i used it on lihuvim

was hitting bigggg envens

was forced to hold vendet for add instead of in opener, felt bad but worth for team ig

[green ledge]

If i look to make zoldyck only for raid prog on pantheon should i make it on feet in case of tier set?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[green ledge]

ty

[sudden sigil]

What is the best overall raiding leggy?

Is it oby if im venth?

[gusty mirage]

Yes, for other covenants you can check the pins

[sudden sigil]

Thanks love

How big is le sylv dagger for assa?
I know it boosts sub quite abit, but i saw pics that every hc dagger > sylv dagger, is this true?

[vestal wren]

it is not as big for assassination

you replace it once you get heroic weapons

[sudden sigil]

Coolio

Thanks fuu

[tropic quiver]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[brazen arrow]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

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IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
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[strange silo]

is it just me or is sin dmg in m+ pretty weak atm? i mean i know im not good in m+ but still.
did a +10 plaguefall and had 6.9k overall

[solid venture]

sin in lower keys is kinda meh

everything dies before bleeds run out

[subtle tundra]

i've been doing decent in high keys

"high" for the start of the season ofc

[strange silo]

even in 15s i dont deal that much more had like 8.3 in mists 15

[solid venture]

yea thats a bit on the low side

[strange silo]

i died 1 or 2 times in pack but meh i dont know

[subtle tundra]

you can definetly do more

[strange silo]

do we use envenom in packs? just to extend snd right? otherwise we just spam fan of knives and apply rupture+ct

[subtle tundra]

yes, to extend snd and towards the end of the pack

[solid mica]

yo what...1200 vers? jesus

[strange silo]

hm ok and i know i suck at cd management do i just slam vendetta, vanish and flag i safe cds way too long

[subtle tundra]

honestly, same

i hold vendetta and vanish too much

i want 4pc to play duskwalker

so i can SLAM IT

[viral locust]

Sins damage in keys ought to go up with the 2P aswell

decently

[subtle tundra]

i've started hating obedience in m+

actually, obedience in general

sometimes 20 stacks, sometimes 30

so cd is all over the place

[strange silo]

i had no luck in normal and will do lihuvim hc sunday and dont think my guild can kill halondrus hc so no 2pc for me this week

[subtle tundra]

a lot of people wont have 2pc

[strange silo]

true that

well ok back to keys i guess playing keys is the best way to gain knowledge i hope

[subtle tundra]

well i've been playing assa in m+ since bfa season 1

[strange silo]

i just started my sin in 9.1 and had a 6 month break

[subtle tundra]

its always just underrated since it gets outshined by sub/outlaw

[grim hornet]

1 thing that tilts me from sin in m+ is having my soothe tied to a soft dmg cd

i know its probably not that important, but i can't stop thinking about that

[subtle tundra]

unfortunately, raging will be sub week for me :/ i will just tilt out of my mind when having to hold shiv for important soothe

with 2pc

normally its ok

[violet hemlock]

or just make sure u have a druid/hunter in ur grp

[strange silo]

ok 8.5k overall for dos +11 should be fine right?

[small nymph]

I guess, that's what I usually do when there isn't a good bursty dps in there

Otherwise I'm sitting on 8k when I'm doing 15's and higher

[normal mist]

Do we already have 4set chads?

[balmy condor]

Would be crazy chads considering you can’t even get more than 3 tier pieces this week

[small nymph]

You guys getting tier pieces?

[umbral rapids]

@balmy condor do you happen to have 2 target sims ?

[balmy condor]

I have the results in my head

Whatchu need

[umbral rapids]

i was just curious how it compared to sub

with leggo and tier

[balmy condor]

It does giga more

[tropic echo]

is sin just inferior to sub rn? i dont want to switch but rankings are making me feel like i should

[balmy condor]

Sub is better on every fight except pantheon atm

And arguably dasausage

Not to say that sin is bad on any of them

But sub is predominantly edging out sin on most fights

[tropic echo]

cant decide if it's actually worth trying to learn, shit is hurting my head

is venthyr sub better than sin? because im not switching covenants rn

[balmy condor]

Venth sub does the same thing venth sin does but better yeah

It’s honestly not that bad though imo

Symbols on cooldown, everything else with symbols

Backstab between dances with perforated, don’t cap on dance charges, flag into a finisher every time

GG you have the knowledge you need to purple parse every fight

[viral locust]

My brain lacks the wrinkles to play sub and raid lead at the same time.

[tropic echo]

okay so I can macro symbols SD and SB together since none of them are gcd

[balmy condor]

Sure

[tropic echo]

and are always used together i assume

[balmy condor]

For the basics that works fine

[small nymph]

How much difference is there between the two specs if you don't have Sylvanas daggers?

[balmy condor]

Probably couple hundred

[umbral rapids]

ty

[fleet imp]

This is so true. Never played Sub in raid, first 3 HC bosses purple parse with outrageus misplays 👀

[thorn fjord]

I've betrayed you boiz 😦

Sub gang till i get 4p

I was able to do much better with it last night

oh lol you guys were already talking about that LOL

[vestal wren]

you can play sin on covenant fight

[thorn fjord]

my ears were ringing I guess 😂

[limber lion]

I reckon most sensible people would switch if they played both specs well

[thorn fjord]

For sure... Right now my optimal set up is uncomfortable for me to play in sin... Not a fan of blind side and my haste is still kinda low so it feels clunky for me atm

BUT I'LL BE BACK

[limber lion]

Byebye blue boy

[vestal wren]

necrolord 📈 on that fight

[limber lion]

Good thing we don't care about either of those things

But I guess it doesn't matter

[thorn fjord]

more pew pew makes me a happy boy

[bleak sky]

Blindside?

[thorn fjord]

Blind side is simming higher that EP for me

than*

[vestal wren]

if its only bs that prevents you from playing sin, just spec into ep and

[thorn fjord]

its also the haste... im not under performing

[bleak sky]

Ep is probably better in most fights anyway

[thorn fjord]

just not enjoying the flow

[bleak sky]

It's a slower spec for sure

[alpine latch]

I lost more power than anyone from Dom shards in my guild, and I'm still just absolutely destroying everyone in damage. I honestly don't get it...

[thorn fjord]

Game is hard for you guildies?

[alpine latch]

I guess man, IDK. We didn't even get normal Halondrus

[thorn fjord]

Our demo lock is a savage but yeah i'm up there too after losing the 2k

Rogue still in a really good place

[alpine latch]

On our two best pulls (around 3% wipes in Normal), I beat #2 DPS by 1450 DPS and 1550 DPS

And one of those I butchered the fuck out of my opener

[fallow bramble]

what was your overall dps in this try?

[thorn fjord]

sounds about right though tbh... was finishing top 3 on most fights aside from guardian

In SIN

[zinc frost]

PI?

[alpine latch]

I didn't look. I'm sure I'm getting PI once our priest swapped to pick up heals

But I was smashing early in the night when both of our priests were Shadow also

[zinc frost]

Must just be pumpin homie

[alpine latch]

Naw

We just have people who did 4500 DPS on Halondrus

And they should be doing 50-60% more than that

[hollow river]

Ehhh not true for everyone

That fight is very hard to dps as ranged

[kind talon]

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeesh

That’s huge

[alpine latch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xJgmRB2q3bwZQMAp#fight=21

Yeah, it wasn't great

[thorn fjord]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6TwhcRXLBrH7pP32#fight=25&type=damage-done

@alpine latch atleast I beat out or wf bot

Our

Also our Demo is taking Pi's now =(

[sullen torrent]

demo with pi

demo with no pi =(

[kind talon]

pi is the only issue

for sure

[thorn fjord]

The second lock was a warrior main and he just switched so he's still learning

[kind talon]

[brazen zodiac]

good morning

[alpine latch]

Okay, so right now I'm running EP/MA/MfD in raid - do I ever hold MFD to line up with Shiv?

I've just been slamming it on CD

[hollow river]

On CD

[alpine latch]

Okay

[hollow river]

Unless Flag is in 15 seconds

[alpine latch]

I've held for like 3s, but mostly I'm just slamming

[thorn fjord]

it usually lines up with shiv at some point

not always though obv

[kind talon]

if u slam it every time

it will line up with flag every time

:D

[hollow river]

Unless you get resets on adds

Can throw off the alignment a bit

[past bobcat]

strat and suber for proto right?

[serene shell]

If i plan to play assa only for pantheon should I get duskwalkers or zoldyck?

assuming 4 pc + 2 leg

[brazen zodiac]

hey do you guys feel theres any point to sim specifically for the last phase of prototype?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/918714046872715315/949325438143066132/unknown.png

[clever kindle]

Doubt it, maybe for mythic once things are figured out but ultimately it will depend on your group makeup

but I dont think theres anything on Pantheon you would have to change your damage texture for, just optimize for hitting 4 boss targets that have to die at the same time

[slow marsh]

the more important statistic from your pull

[slow marsh]

no

necro zold, bleed everything and blast

crit mastery stonks

[cold rampart]

is blindside and deeper better than elaborate and vigor ?

[brazen zodiac]

zold on proto or we talkin about m+

[wide bolt]

on proto

[slow marsh]

zold on proto

[slow marsh]

ep mfd

[brazen zodiac]

zold on proto oh lovely

[cold rampart]

huge difference between vigor and mfd?

[slow marsh]

yes

[thorn fjord]

Vigor is useless

[slow marsh]

bruh 4t execute

[copper sundial]

Necro zold worked well on proto

[brazen zodiac]

yeah

i thought about it yesterday but

[cold rampart]

got nerfed?

[brazen zodiac]

no just not as good as mfd

[slow marsh]

This was normal with venthyr obed. would've been like +2k with necro zold

[brazen zodiac]

XD

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[cold rampart]

so mfd got buffed

[brazen zodiac]

guess ill try it

no mfd didnt get buffed, at least no recently

it did get changed from like some 30 second cooldown thingy if i remmeber

[slow marsh]

the apl for mfd got buffed back in september

[brazen zodiac]

but there was some sim optimizations a while ago

yeah

mfd more fun

snipe em lil fuckers

[cold rampart]

what about trinkets what are bis ones?

[brazen zodiac]

idk check the pins im sure itll tell u

[slow marsh]

the ones that sim highest for you

[copper sundial]

Several good trinkets

[brazen zodiac]

yo ice wanna play league

[slow marsh]

can't i'm on the grustle rn

[copper sundial]

Phial, sigil, SGT, IQD ect

[brazen zodiac]

grustle to where

[cold rampart]

phial got nerfed so bad

[slow marsh]

r1