assassination

[slow marsh]

alt f4

[hollow river]

Death spike

And MFD

[muted ivy]

you funnel all your groups away from you passively

[bleak sky]

all means both of the rogue specs

the 2

[timid cloud]

Gonna play all funnel specs.

[bleak sky]

the two specs that exist

[timid cloud]

Enhancement is next.

[hollow river]

This guy enjoys being below tank dps

[timid cloud]

Wouldn’t know.

All my tanks are dogshit.

They pull around the Rogue so I can be #1 DPS

[alpine latch]

There doesn't really seem to be that massive of a difference between Sin/Sub, which is nice

Especially considering Sub's sims are already minmaxxed for legendary placements and Sin's aren't

[timid cloud]

It’s about 1k diffy.

But also how you play is important.

[alpine latch]

From what I'm looking at it's less than 600 difference and Sin also isn't fully minmaxxed

16727 vs 16143

[limber lion]

It varies from person to person

[alpine latch]

Oh yeah, I'm just going off of the projected sims

[limber lion]

My difference between sub/sim is smaller than for someone who mains sub and has geared toward sub

[vestal wren]

is that sub vs. sin?

[alpine latch]

Yup. I know my Sub set sims higher, but I also know that it would take me a couple of weeks to get even close to it

Yes - based on your spreadsheet vs Whispyr's

And Sub's appears to be minmaxxed for legendary placement, but Sin still has their on their bracers

[gloomy epoch]

my sub sims are about 1200 dps higher

[muted ivy]

for the start of the tier Sub lost a lot less than Sin

[gloomy epoch]

at 254ilvl

[hollow river]

They pull 1 mob at a time?

[spice spire]

Didn’t you get an absolutely juiced 16.4 @limber lion ?
Highest I got was 16282 iirc

[alpine latch]

Yeah - I'm specifically looking at the spreadsheets. Not what my current sims show me

[vestal wren]

sin is min/maxed at around 16.4-16.5

so only marginal behind sub

[alpine latch]

Yeah that's not bad at all.

[spice spire]

Yeah of course, mister Palmer.

[vestal wren]

i did find a upgrade to the tier profile today, did send it to koji to correct ^^

[alpine latch]

Also, I don't have a Mythic Edge of night, so that alone is like 150-200 DPS right there from what I remember seeing on Sub's FAQs

I might be off on that number though - it's been a while since I have looked

[gloomy epoch]

Probably why your sims are close to each other

[vestal wren]

but sin rly only gets ahead with tier set

tier set has such a insane value

[alpine latch]

My guild is slow and steady. We probably won't even have AotC for 5-7 weeks at the earliest

[vestal wren]

(ahead means on par in output, not simming higher than subtlety)

[alpine latch]

I'm going to wind up having to pug all of Heroic and like 4-5 of Normal this weekend

Just for a shot at some tier gear

We're probably only getting 4 bosses down this week and we started in Normal

[muted ivy]

gl getting to tier bosses in heroic with pugs (not sarcasm)

[alpine latch]

I know, but I don't have a choice

If I want a shot at the item, I just have to suffer and hope that a miracle happens

[muted ivy]

i believe

[alpine latch]

lol, I don't

But I appreciate it

[muted ivy]

gotta manifest that shit

[sharp zodiac]

A heroic pug getting passed Xy’mox/Pantheon would be very very difficult this week

[alpine latch]

yeah

It's just what I have to do, unless someone takes mercy on me and invites me to a fun run their guild is doing (which almost never happens the first month or two).

[muted ivy]

pantheon seems more viable for pugs

[spice spire]

Yeah if I’m pugging, I’m going left

Killing worm, then letting Jesus take the wheel to see if the group survives Xymox

[alpine latch]

Well if anyone is in a weekend guild and has room for one more... Let me know 😂

I got 2 amazing healers who I'm sure would come with if your guild needs it

[hollow river]

Lol not right now

Low ilvl plus no like “meta strats”

Pantheon pugs are prolly hell on earth

[limber lion]

Yeah, that was with a 291 helm though so take it with a pinch of salt.

Anyways, we're chillin

You can play either spec and do super well

[alpine latch]

Yeah

I just love Sin's playstyle - I always have

[limber lion]

My DH friend is simming 9.2k

[muted ivy]

tbf i havent done either on heroic yet, but pantheon vs xymox i'd say panth would be easier for pugs

[limber lion]

So our 10k looks pretty damn appealing to me

[muted ivy]

not that you're likely to kill either of them lol

[hollow river]

Xymox apparently got nerfed before release

Or something

[muted ivy]

still, portals + one shot rings + tank pull seems like hell for pugs

[lucid birch]

The end of pantheon is pretty bugged tbh

[slow marsh]

is he playing the night fae dblades/felblade build?

[lucid birch]

Annoying as hell

[hollow river]

How

[lucid birch]

It like

As they die they were often respawning at their spawn locations with an extra 100k health it was very fucked

Happened to us numerous times

[limber lion]

He's either NF or Necro

Not sure

[hollow river]

Oh that’s weird af

[limber lion]

But yeh, saw some rwf sims earlier as well and it's not looking good for a bunch of specs

[hollow river]

I haven’t seen that

[limber lion]

without double lego/tier set

[slow marsh]

I know that the NF build doesn't sim as high ST but pads like a hobag

[lucid birch]

Kept happening repeatedly ask whispyr

(He was there)

[limber lion]

Saw bunch of hunters of all specs around 9.1-9.4

We're chilling

[slow marsh]

ye

[hollow river]

Who are you

[limber lion]

My friend was annoyed that all the pins and suggestions in the Havoc discord were Necrolord/Night Fae

[fleet anchor]

I think Hunter sims may be misrepresentative (as is tradition?) for whatever reason because Hunters are doing really good damage atm

[limber lion]

but his Venthyr sims like 500 dps more for him

lol

[lucid birch]

Whispyrs guild officer ig

[limber lion]

Azortharion cheating sims

[fleet anchor]

There is an overwhelming thought for DH that Venthyr playstyle isn't appropriate for a lot of fights, which I kinda agree and kinda don't agree with.

[slow marsh]

Whispyr's PI simp *****

Fixed

[limber lion]

Yeh, I figured as much

Told him the same thing

[kindred rapids]

probably why blizzard doesn't pay attention to sims

[limber lion]

and kept suggesting for him to sim movement and add fights as well

[lucid birch]

Still going to the boomy for now

[fleet anchor]

I mean MM Hunter being that low is probably correct

But BM is definitely doing very good damage right now

[hollow river]

That’s toxic

[kindred rapids]

too much incentive for communities to sandbag if they did

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

na its correct boomie is still boomie

[lucid birch]

Whispyr pumped as usual

Used some excute leggo on pantheon guy is cracked

[timid cloud]

Unless they rework that bm tier though like they said…

Mm Stonks.

[lucid birch]

Revealing the tech I guess

[spice spire]

Man is a Zoldyck’s enjoyer

[timid cloud]

Who isn’t?

[slow marsh]

yeah but is it even a crit mastery zold

?

Nope crit haste

[spice spire]

Man is a Kevin savant tho

[viscid spear]

Just because it feels good doesn't mean it's good

[timid cloud]

Can’t wait to play DS, Subter, Zold, Kevin for Pantheon!

[spice spire]

Oh buddy you already know I’m pumping Necrolord

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

You forgot CT king

[timid cloud]

I mean that’s a given.

Master Poisoner too.

[lucid birch]

Do I release the breakdown

[timid cloud]

[lucid birch]

[spice spire]

Buddy

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

You came to the wrong discord

We’re already log watching

[lucid birch]

[timid cloud]

YEAH?

You scopin’ me out????

[lucid birch]

Rogues….

[spice spire]

Sudden fractures at 213 tho

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

About to have words with your boy, mister dsnow

[timid cloud]

Wait, can’t you get the 252 conduit from M+ now?

[spice spire]

But also cydone, that went without saying

Yes

[timid cloud]

You definitely get 226’s from Friendly rep.

Enlightened*

[spice spire]

He went Necro sin for that fight only

[timid cloud]

Ohhhhh

[slow marsh]

he was a non believer until last second so he didn't get it upgraded

[lucid birch]

Lmaoo

[solid mica]

Using Marileth then?

[spice spire]

Yes

He was

[slow marsh]

true believer

[solid mica]

Pog, I was planning on necrosin for pantheon too

[hollow river]

I can’t find whispyr’s character

[solid mica]

Hes logs out in stealth

[spice spire]

Not a true log watcher

Disappointing

[viscid spear]

[hollow river]

What freaking server

[solid mica]

That pepe is creepy af

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Area 52

[slow marsh]

just search heroic pantehon logs and filter sin

[hollow river]

Weird that didn’t show up

[viscid spear]

[hollow river]

I see an 60 ilvl undead rogue named whispyr on a52

[spice spire]

Mister notrickz lacks the critical information

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

@bleak sky concerns regarding your healing sir

[solid mica]

Tell me hes an undead based god too

[hollow river]

He’s not

That’d be cringe

[solid mica]

Eeeeeez on the undead boiz

[hollow river]

I used to be undead

[solid mica]

[pliant nest]

why are so many people playing obedience now? wasnt doomblade always better?

[limber lion]

lmao

are you living in 9.0?

it hasn't been good in a long time

only good for non-venthyrs

[hollow river]

Fucking alt code names

[viscid spear]

†

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

He got a cheeky r4 though

Very nice

That’s some good tech right there

[pliant nest]

well doomblade still sims better for me and quite a few ppl in top logs play it

just noticed that more people play obedience

but i seem to recall that it wasnt good for sin after the nerfs

[hollow river]

It was still good

Frost shards getting buffed just turned us towards Dashing

Plenty of good logs with Obe in 9.1

[timid cloud]

It just needed good fight timings & a little bit more thinking to play Obe in 9.1

So most just opted to play Dashing. Less work.

[charred mango]

How much haste do you all have? I’m thinking of going assa for the prototype pantheon (sub for everything else) and so far I feel energy starved at 12% haste

[timid cloud]

Well are you taking into account that you get haste from Alacrity?

So when you’re in the fight, you aren’t actually at 12% haste anymore.

[charred mango]

I guess I’m asking about base haste

Yeah true

[hollow river]

More haste isn’t going to make you feel less starved honestly

[timid cloud]

^

[hollow river]

More bleeds up will make you feel less starved

[timid cloud]

Only time you don’t feel starved is when you’re in lust or vendetta, basically.

[charred mango]

Okay, I guess with the two +targets it will feel better

It’s been a while since I’ve played assa, forgot how slow it can feel sometimes

[bleak sky]

same, snow is gonna guide me through healer log tho

man is an absolute chad

[spice spire]

Was that your first time healing?

[bleak sky]

massive healer

raid yeah

[spice spire]

Hpriest?

[timid cloud]

Shaman does a splash.

[spice spire]

I’d say not bad given first raid healing

[timid cloud]

It’s super effective!

[bleak sky]

oh it was absolutely atrocious

[timid cloud]

Did they just take gigga dam?

[bleak sky]

the raid? yes

denathrius too stronk

[timid cloud]

Also play a healer for any of your raid groups or keys & you find out who is the shittiest.

[bleak sky]

tfw no key group

[timid cloud]

I’d do a key with ya pal.

[spice spire]

Buddy just outdps me as a healer too

I’m ready for it

[bleak sky]

I need 2 other dps +tank +healer

so the rogue can blast and not spend 55 min in a key ever again

[carmine dawn]

quake

i think ima run venthyr and sin/outlaw depending on the fight. would you run nadjia on outlaw or sin i dont feel like swapping every time

although tea getting fucked may make things impossible

[spice spire]

Im no longer a nadjia fanboy and strictly theo gamer

Yeah that’s the thing is if you roll agil tea on either

You go nadjia

[carmine dawn]

hows kyrian sin

[spice spire]

So I think we’re just sad here buddy

Awful

It’s playable

Awful is relative. But seal fate makes it very unfun to play around without legendary

[carmine dawn]

did u raid ln

[timid cloud]

ER Is a yikes for me dawg.

Neato for outlaw though. Would recommend.

[slow marsh]

run nadjia on outlaw for sure

[timid cloud]

I will never spend 55 minutes in a key nowadays.

If it’s a minute over or something fine.

[slow marsh]

inv me

[spice spire]

Did I raid in what

[timid cloud]

But if it’s struggle, I’m not getting paid so I’d rather go find another key & not reward that kind of behavior.

[carmine dawn]

sofo?

[timid cloud]

Oh. That was LN

[carmine dawn]

last night

[timid cloud]

last night acronym boomer quake.

[spice spire]

Yeah, did normal

[carmine dawn]

as sin?

[spice spire]

Hyper casual guild.

Yeah

Played like dog shit

Was a good time

[timid cloud]

I thought it said iN

[carmine dawn]

howd it feel

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

It felt weaker for sure

[slow marsh]

You thought so?

[spice spire]

But gameplay wise it felt as it always has

[carmine dawn]

outlaw looks good for first fight

[spice spire]

Whatever is good for first fight

[slow marsh]

You already play outlaw so i'd say just play outlaw until tier starts getting out

[spice spire]

I’m staunchly against the first fight

Bad design imo

[carmine dawn]

i play both

[spice spire]

Rest is pretty great

[slow marsh]

But as sin I kept up / beat out my sub guildie who has an extra dagger on most pulls

[spice spire]

I didn’t just omega slam top spot, so yeah, it felt a bit

[timid cloud]

First boss isn’t fun until the execute.

Nothing lives at all. Straight up feels like a trash pack.

[spice spire]

I was top on 2/3 fights. Doing supplemental calls is still new to me

[carmine dawn]

hm i think

[timid cloud]

Last time I had a good first boss fight was Wrathion, or Shivarra.

[carmine dawn]

ill just run naj outlaw and theo sin. and just be smart about swapping so tea doesnt fuck me

[spice spire]

Ye

That works

[spice spire]

Grue was neat at least

It wasn’t a great design

But it had some interesting stuff in powers

[slow marsh]

You could always play draven outlaw 🤮

[timid cloud]

I would rather pass away.

I remember when I did though when swapping was not the move…LOL

[carmine dawn]

i mean i guess i can just

[spice spire]

Would you rather go NF sin?

[carmine dawn]

set hearth to ori

[timid cloud]

I definitely had some Draven Outlaw TOP’s….

[carmine dawn]

and play kyrian outlaw

[timid cloud]

[viscid spear]

I'd rather go Kryian Frost DK

[slow marsh]

set hearth to haven

take port to ori

and you have forge in haven

[carmine dawn]

well im trying to avoid the forge

[spice spire]

I’d think that’s the play? Until 4p if you’re dedicated to outlaw with invigorated iirc.
My perspective on what I do is always going to be different from other CFs as I’m the most casual, and easily least skilled CF in the discord

I literally slammed heirmir sin played like garbage and was chuckling

[carmine dawn]

fair enough but dont discount yourself

[ocean cipher]

Is CT worth on 1st boss or do the adds just die too fast?

[slow marsh]

Idk dreadblades seems like it'd pop off with timing

[spice spire]

That’s not even a discount, all of the CFs I’ve seen are just quite good

[spice spire]

Even in my experience stuff died way too quick

[ocean cipher]

ok word thx. We have no warrs or hunters for tonight so I'm curious how our cleave will be. I'll just have to see how it goes.

[viscid spear]

[strange python]

at how many stacks of Ephemera Dust do you reset them on Skolex heroic ?

[slow marsh]

whenever your healers can't heal it anyomre

just have to feel it out

[limber lion]

good start.

heroic gamers tomorrow

[hollow river]

You guys started in normal?

[limber lion]

yeh, just did 5 first bosses on normal quick

then clearing entire hc

then coming back to normal

[hollow river]

Ahh I see

[limber lion]

gives everyone a quick picture on what happens on the first 5 bosses

[hollow river]

Gotta try and scoop that heroic tier first

[spice spire]

Yessir

[limber lion]

yuhh

[spice spire]

These kill timers

[limber lion]

accidentally played Doomblade on Artificer

that's why the low dps

unluck

[spice spire]

Our normal sausage was 6:42 because a ton of people died

In the first minute

[limber lion]

Those bosses were a breeze

[timid cloud]

What is this? 9.0?

[spice spire]

They are

[limber lion]

[timid cloud]

My mans literally FLAMED Doomblade an hour ago.

He bamboozled us! Secret strat all along!

[spice spire]

I called for a wipe with 15% left and 3 dps - no breezes and we decided to kill anyway got a while ass vendetta off

[tiny ember]

Yo bois any idea how to get rid of the double garrot

think it's plater but unsure

[timid cloud]

That's the garrote talent.

Iron Wire

It shows as both.

[tiny ember]

I don't have it talented

[timid cloud]

Then hmmm

Silence portion showing?

[tiny ember]

dunno how to check

but i want it gone and i dunno how XD

[weary marten]

no there is the silence part + the dot part

you would need to remove the id of the silence part if that's what you really want

[unborn needle]

Now that some of the sims are out, is there a comparison of a fully geared (double leggo, 4 pc) Assasination vs Sub rogue dps comparisons out? I'm still trying to decide between the two, but haven't seen fully geared sims for both.

[hollow river]

Check the links in the pins.

Those spread sheets have been out for a couple weeks now

[median silo]

Awful lot of blue names floating around. Traitors

[unborn needle]

I see the sims for Assasination in the pin, but I don't see anything in the sub discussion.

[bleak sky]

so this message isn't pinned for you?

got a special version of discord over there?

[muted ivy]

It’s pinned in the main Sub channel not the discussion thread

[bleak sky]

and even in the sub 9.2 thread fuu linked his sim 32 min ago

[strange python]

is torghast still the best way to get renown atm

[wide ridge]

zereth mortis campaign gives a ton

but if youre 40 i'd do torghast until 60ish then campaign

should take you close to 80

then some world bosses, covenant dailies and youre done

[strange python]

alright thanks

im around 60 atm

farmed kyrian and realized i don't want to play sub : )

[glass tulip]

Good choice, we love that

[mortal pike]

Anyone else have issues with skolex just turning around and one tapping melee because range dpull early?

[spice spire]

That’s a mechanic

If no one is in range he just mollywops the closest person.
I shroud tanks in that way when the boomkin pulls early

I don’t get got

[winged basin]

IM COMING BACK TODAY YO, LOST ARK SHMOST ARK WOOOOO

[spice spire]

[craggy nimbus]

Was there a document with things we can cloak in the new raid?

[bleak sky]

!bos but it's still WIP

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[winged basin]

How much catchup am I gonna have to mess with if I’m 248?.. I know I missed a lot of new things namely a 2nd Lego?

[craggy nimbus]

Aye aye, ty

[bleak sky]

2nd leggo isnt out yet

[craggy nimbus]

Well, new raid isn't in that document yet :>

[bleak sky]

well I did say it's work in progress

[craggy nimbus]

Anyone know if we can cloak and ruin the traps on Artificer?

[bleak sky]

you can test it

[craggy nimbus]

Aye aye, no worries, I like you anyway ❤️

[limber lion]

Literally none

[bleak sky]

and share your findings with the people that maintain the spreadsheet

[limber lion]

The raid opened today for EU, double lego is not available

You haven't missed out on anything yet

[craggy nimbus]

Yup, trying after the break

[spice spire]

You can cloak the traps

They reform on heroic +

They will be removed on normal

[mortal pike]

Im trying to explain that to my guild right now Dx

[spice spire]

Just stealth tanks in to be safe

Or don’t prepull

But that second part is hard for boomkins

[mortal pike]

Yea that's what im doing next week haha

[spice spire]

Our raid lead is one, will literally say, “don’t prepull” and then prepulls

[craggy nimbus]

Thanks for the reply

[spice spire]

It’s wired in their brain

[spice spire]

No worries.
Sheet should be sorted by the weekend. But that one is going in there
You can also cloak the haste debuff on skolex until mythic iirc

[craggy nimbus]

Just did it, took care of six traps then cloak ran out just before I took the last one, got stuck then a ring wrecked me :>

[winged basin]

ooh word, cool beans, I mean I don’t imagine I’m too far behind didnt the patch like just drop? I almost fully mythic geared from last tier

[winged basin]

THATS WHAT I LIKE TO HEAR

[craggy nimbus]

Just me that got bored really fast with the new zone?
I was gonna do the campaign on my holy paladin but have noooo motivation whatsoever to do it again

[copper sundial]

No

[visual prairie]

when was the last open world area that didn't get boring fast really? killing 10 blooblahs and touching 12 glowing heehoos

it's been the same for 10 years

[pseudo hamlet]

I liked Mechagon, it was kinda cool.

[visual prairie]

i feel like maybe i did too, but i think it was because i played with warmode on back then

i should just turn that back on

[strange python]

doing pantheon heroic is a lot of fun.. hope it still feels good to play after 4 pc

[hollow river]

You’ll basically just be stuck doing ST during Vendetta

No big deal

[winter vapor]

i hope it lives a little longer on heroic

long ass way to go for adds too

[hollow river]

I’ve only done heroic so far, it’s a really fun fight

[limber lion]

I can't wait for heroic tomorrow

[glass tulip]

you can

[limber lion]

I'll be 1 hour late because of a gig, hopefully the boys don't blast too hard

so I get to do some bosses as well

[spice spire]

Scamming the raid by skipping the snoozer boss plus trash

[obtuse robin]

how does nl feel on panth

[glass tulip]

@slow marsh ^

venthyr felt good, just flag the highest boss bc your raid sucks and you need to help catch up to even

[oak sky]

Necro was good

Big dam

[brazen zodiac]

yeah?

[obtuse robin]

alright gonna dust of nl for it then

[limber lion]

NF?

oh

nl

[obtuse robin]

lol

[glass tulip]

nl

[limber lion]

why did I read nf

[solid venture]

[limber lion]

monkas

necro is a bunch of fun for sure

[glass tulip]

its not in finnish youre good bro

[solid venture]

ceverion been reading too much NF propaganda

[limber lion]

reading?

[solid venture]

inventing

[brazen zodiac]

same

[limber lion]

I'M THE FUCKING CREATOR

[brazen zodiac]

whats poppin gamer

sup black

[limber lion]

There it is.

[solid venture]

sorry chief

[obtuse robin]

hai

oh let me spy on vits logs brb

[limber lion]

Necrolord felt really good on Pantheon for sure

Normal died too quick

[glass tulip]

nochill beat me on Linda but he also got PI

[spice spire]

Ceverion, Propaganda spreader

[brazen zodiac]

theyre not that bad

my skorlex is awful cuz my boyfriend tickled me midpull and i died

fucking nerd and i took CT on guardian

which was insulting

[glass tulip]

[obtuse robin]

i forgot how to spell ur name

[brazen zodiac]

badbttch

area52

[glass tulip]

brokebttch

[brazen zodiac]

600k pog

[nocturne geode]

🤔

[brazen zodiac]

we grindin, i upgraded my cipher bullshit with the synthesis and the materials are going for like 90k

[obtuse robin]

what does that mean

[brazen zodiac]

idk just some materials goin for a lot

to craft like battle pets and mounts

[obtuse robin]

oh i read it has one effected the other

[glass tulip]

the glimmers are expensive

[obtuse robin]

the lattics to

[glass tulip]

ye, we were randomly getting glimmer loot during raid

like just standing there and it was spawning in our inventories

very weird

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i have no idea

i got like 5 of them last night

[subtle salmon]

guys is best PvE spec Sin?

[limber lion]

No

[obtuse robin]

atm sub is ahead

[brazen zodiac]

:(

[obtuse robin]

sin still doing viable dmg

[brazen zodiac]

viable

[obtuse robin]

as in very good

[brazen zodiac]

very good.

[raven vapor]

Skolex hc dagger simming as a dps loss over mythic sylv dagger, does that sound correct?

[hollow river]

Yep

[gusty mirage]

but you don't play sub

so checkmate sub rogues

we got cev

the handsomest rogue in this galaxy

they can keep their dps

we got the charm

[bleak sky]

And we got you

[slow marsh]

❤️

[gusty mirage]

the stinkiest rogue ever?

I know

[bleak sky]

This cat is too cute man

Just like you

[limber lion]

man I can't wait for tomorrow

some heroic boyos

potential loot

[quasi grotto]

Pantheon was mad , is shiv env still prio?

[limber lion]

normal was fun, but it ended too quickly and was too easy

[limber lion]

whatchu mean

[quasi grotto]

With mechanics I was super struggling to keep all bleeds up

[limber lion]

Yeh

But you def want to slap garrotes/ruptures/ct on anything that you can

[quasi grotto]

Something I need to work on but would inprio bleed over shiv env?

[limber lion]

Play it like you would a 4 target m+ pull

[quasi grotto]

Never played sin in multi target 😂

[limber lion]

If you're playing for overall, then no, of course you'd want to Envenom if you're at saturation

[quasi grotto]

Not like this anyway

[limber lion]

I mean

If you're playing for overall, then you apply all bleeds

[zinc frost]

Necro on pantheon is so good

[limber lion]

you slam shiv and continue applying bleeds

if you're playing for prio, then you want to slam Envenoms during Shiv

but only at energy saturation

[quasi grotto]

Right okay that will be where I was going wrong

I was juggling tons and damage was pretty low

And add spawns first 10secods ruining opener 😫

[glass tulip]

just dont swap

that first add is still inside of everyone's aoe opener too like wild spirits and stuff

it basically insta dies anyway

[quasi grotto]

Yeah and I had to go next add

Was that or bench 😂

[glass tulip]

same thing I did on KT, just stay on boss til vendetta runs out

[limber lion]

How much did you do?

[quasi grotto]

27 man was aids , they dropped to 20 and inended up there anyway

[limber lion]

Was it heroic Pantheon?

[quasi grotto]

Yeah hc I hit 8.9k on like 8% wipe

[limber lion]

Yeh it's definitely a bit on the lower side

but that's fine

it's the first day

get used to the mechanics

[quasi grotto]

Yeah and multi target is a massive weak spot for me atm

[limber lion]

come blast dps meters in a few weeks

no rush

[quasi grotto]

Dropped fro 27 to 20, damage put me on le bench but they got the kill eventually

Now I have a better understanding about dotting should be able to do better next week

[copper sundial]

Marileth for this fight you reckon or heimar

[slow marsh]

heirmer

[rocky ruin]

What trinket are we using going for Phial?

[limber lion]

Phial is good

Sigil is good

[copper sundial]

Ill be farming for phial yet again

[slow marsh]

IQD is good

SGT is good

[brazen zodiac]

ur good

sup blades

[slow marsh]

na im buns

[brazen zodiac]

u got nice buns

u wanna play league ZM bored

also the console enchantments kinda slap

[slow marsh]

playing lost ark rn waiting for tank to do keys

[brazen zodiac]

pog

rep check soldier

[slow marsh]

like 2k honored

[brazen zodiac]

3.2k into honored im slackin tbh

[slow marsh]

not really rare farming since we get it at the same time

[brazen zodiac]

yeah im just doin it for the ciphers

[hollow river]

how much rep does the weekly give now?

[glass tulip]

1250

[bleak sky]

no sin allowed bois

[slow marsh]

wot

[umbral tulip]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

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[bleak sky]

I'd play sin for pantheon only but no cov swapping sadge

[slow marsh]

why

that's stupid

[zinc frost]

That’s sadge, such a fun fight for sin

[slow marsh]

that's literally just dumb

do you not have a wl

[obtuse robin]

am i missing saomething why cant u swap

[grim tangle]

we can't waste 30 seconds having people switch covenants so instead we'll just get more wipes because of people playing suboptimal covenants

[slow marsh]

srs

[obtuse robin]

[limber lion]

RWF guilds had a similar rule, but that's because they have like 2-3 b2b runs they have to do

so if everyone switches covenant between every single boss, it gets a bit long

but for a normal guild that only does one run it literally should not matter whatsoever

[bleak sky]

yeah but people get antsy if we take too long to pull

because someone is swapping covenant

or multiple someones

[limber lion]

that's why you need to have the people switching leave before you get there

during trash they change

and when you get to boss, wl insta summons stone

it takes 30 seconds tops

takes longer to explain the mechanics

[bleak sky]

that's true true

[slow marsh]

yeah that's how i think of it

[bleak sky]

but they also get mad at people leaving during trash

[slow marsh]

and cov stuff should already be set up before you swap so it's just hearth swap, set soulbind and accept summon

[bleak sky]

about to run my first sin key tho ice

[bleak sky]

YE BUT THEY GET MAD ABOUT THE 5 SEC IT TAKES

[slow marsh]

GL

new affix is trash imo

but it does make every boss fight a 5 second 4t cleave so

[marble hemlock]

explaining mechanics

you just pull and see what the boss does

[bleak sky]

absolutely trash

[limber lion]

Is that why you wiped 8 times on Pantheon?

[bleak sky]

wrong reply bbut you get the point

[limber lion]

I kid, I kid

[slow marsh]

it does next to nothing to alter how you do dungeons imo

[bleak sky]

ya

[slow marsh]

you can strat it out and game it, sure, but for what?

[marble hemlock]

[bleak sky]

like CDR is somewhat ok for getting flag back faster

but jesus what a shit affix

[marble hemlock]

didnt you wipe 6times on xymox cev?

[bleak sky]

i'd take prideful back honestly

[slow marsh]

i said the same thing

and i didn't like prideful

[limber lion]

We have not even entered our foot in HC yet

[marble hemlock]

lmao

[limber lion]

We oneshot everything on Normal though

[marble hemlock]

practicing strats

[limber lion]

if that's something to brag about

[marble hemlock]

on normal

[limber lion]

nah

[marble hemlock]

[limber lion]

Our normal raid day is tomorrow

[drifting cloud]

🙈

[limber lion]

so today was a freebie for anyone who wanted to come

not mandatory

[marble hemlock]

"voluntary extra raid"

dunno going normal first is kinda troll

[limber lion]

I would have loved to raid heroic today tbh

[marble hemlock]

cuz if someone who got set on normal gets it again on hc

thats just pissing away loot

[limber lion]

Nah

We just did up to the tier bosses

first 5 bosses, then logged off

[marble hemlock]

ah

so just 5bosses

[limber lion]

We clear hc tomorrow and come back for normal later

yeh

[marble hemlock]

makes sense

[limber lion]

just a sneak peak

I was getting pumped up and it ended

too soon

The raid looks pretty damn nice though, at least from what I can tell from the first

5 normal bosses

[marble hemlock]

idk

every boss looks the fucking same

visual clarity is in the gutter

game runs at 15fps with 30man size

[limber lion]

Yeah, optimization in wow is terrible

[marble hemlock]

coming back from a bunch of LA nolifing, wow is just a fucking mess visually

[limber lion]

It's still so heavily reliant on CPU

and doesn't fully utilize gpu

it's awful

[marble hemlock]

i dont really need to see 3 wild spirits and 7 frozen orbs and 3 ashens and 50 pets

[limber lion]

Yeh that's true

[marble hemlock]

the ashens, sure

[limber lion]

Wish there was a way to filter stuff out

[marble hemlock]

but please just let me fucking turn off friendly spell animations unless theyre actual buffs

[limber lion]

Would help with clarity and performance

[marble hemlock]

a shitton, yes

[limber lion]

Did you get any good loot?

[marble hemlock]

got the 5min trinket

[limber lion]

[marble hemlock]

that makes me channel my fleshcraft

and doesnt reset on wipe

[limber lion]

I'm jelly

LUL

Yeah, but it's omega bis with the tier set

[marble hemlock]

i guess?

only if i play fae tho init

which i wont

[limber lion]

Yeh, not sure, haven't simmed other covenants with tier set

[marble hemlock]

feels like too many good necro bosses

[limber lion]

It's just much more frontloaded burst

[marble hemlock]

and the ones where youd run a st setup

[limber lion]

yeh for sure

[marble hemlock]

youre not gonna play assa

why did a fucking spider just drop down from the ceiling out of nowhere and land on my sushi

the fuck?

[limber lion]

what the

[limber lion]

Yeh, I think I'm in Assa prison for the rest of my life

[marble hemlock]

i mean, ill play assa everywhere as well but yeah

[limber lion]

Unless Assa is like super bad on ST, I don't see myself swapping ever

[marble hemlock]

dunno, the nightfae cope is annoying

[limber lion]

I've tried other specs and classes but idk

[marble hemlock]

when theres like what

2 st bosses

in the first 8

[limber lion]

Yeh

I played Necro on 3 bosses as well, out of 5

[brazen zodiac]

sup cev whats poppin

[limber lion]

Necro is cracked

[brazen zodiac]

nerco on proto looks rad

[marble hemlock]

its great on a bunch of fights

prolly go sub or full st assa on halondrus/lihu

but beyond that its just all cleave

maybe sub on xymox for prio on the shit adds

and double step/door

[limber lion]

Sausage was great for ST Assa as well I reckon

[brazen zodiac]

sausage lmfao

[limber lion]

I gotta say though

That the very first "fight"

is probably my least favorite fight

that I have ever done

[wild beacon]

it's a weird one

[limber lion]

just a bunch of dicking around

waiting for stuff to happen

[wild beacon]

yeah the downtime is awkward af

[limber lion]

Running after a mob just to get one SBS off before it dies

[wide ridge]

which covenant did yall go on anduin fight?

[marble hemlock]

havent pulled anduin yet

[limber lion]

Subtlety

[marble hemlock]

just did 7 on hc today

normal tmrw and then gonna smack that anduin nerd

[limber lion]

Yeh I think it's a safe bet waiting for some nerfs

Already got some a few hours ago

[slow marsh]

they nerfed it twice already

[limber lion]

Yep

[marble hemlock]

love how every guild is just not streaming their anduin prog

[slow marsh]

that was expected though

@ both

[marble hemlock]

saving strats

[limber lion]

I honestly don't even know what Anduin does

I haven't bothered looking into it

I know there's an intermission with a shit load of small boys

[marble hemlock]

i didnt know what half the bosses today did either

[limber lion]

and one big boy

[marble hemlock]

but theyre all simple enough

[limber lion]

but that's about it

yeh for sure

[marble hemlock]

im just chilling in hc week

and then mythic is where i find my stride

and start actually doing stuff

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[gusty mirage]

de sausage is fun

ngl

just a neat mechanic

[obtuse robin]

i liked it to as long as the tank keeps moving the dude from the puddles

pretty easy

[slow marsh]

just stand in them

help your healers parse

[marble hemlock]

our MT is finally back for progress properly

[obtuse robin]

times when i miss frost

[gusty mirage]

yeah after banging my head against xymox for like an hour and a half

[marble hemlock]

after he was kinda distracted sod/cn

already hardcarried today

[gusty mirage]

desausage was a good change

seli

go do keys so I'm not 4th in the world for sin rogues

ty

[brazen zodiac]

dude

everyone flamed the fuck out of my tank last night cuz she just refused to do that lmfao

[obtuse robin]

cant wait for that 1

[brazen zodiac]

and we just couldnt hit the boss

[gusty mirage]

it's a lot like sylv tbh, a lot of personal responsibility

and a lot of the tanks knowing what to do

[obtuse robin]

does st work there

[gusty mirage]

yeah you gotta burn the acolyte adds first

so funnel/prio is giga important

[obtuse robin]

i ment

[gusty mirage]

assuming you meant single target

[obtuse robin]

shadow step

[gusty mirage]

step?

ye

you can step/doordash/fae blink

[obtuse robin]

ok good

[slow marsh]

ye you want to step out of tank pull tbh

[brazen zodiac]

wait xymox or sausage lady

[slow marsh]

l;ike insta

[gusty mirage]

xymox

[obtuse robin]

xymox

[brazen zodiac]

for st

oh you can st through the walls of death coming towards u?

kinda rad

[gusty mirage]

yes

[obtuse robin]

and dbl dos

tasty

[brazen zodiac]

dbl?

my brain

[obtuse robin]

double

[brazen zodiac]

also i sentu cipher

[gusty mirage]

ye I doored every circle of doom coming in from the outside

[obtuse robin]

nice

[gusty mirage]

just chilled near mid and just cast door dash as soon as it hit the platformish

keep a charge for execute phase though

that's the part with the worst overlaps

[obtuse robin]

dos and step away after pull

ez

[gusty mirage]

ye it makes life SO much easier

[umbral tulip]

Is it worth to keep up crimson tempest on 1 target during cds without dashing or only outside? Also, about pooling if shiv is about to come up and I am at max combo points should I just send an envenom so I dont lose the cp from shiv or pool anyways and overcap? what are the conditions for pooling even?

[brazen zodiac]

i like goin through the portal too its funny

[slow marsh]

without dashing you keep CT up outside of shiv

Until after tier

pooling is less than 1%

but if you are already pooling and near max you would just finish then shiv on cd so you dont overcap energy or cp

[umbral tulip]

cool ty

so that includes in vendetta as well?

like in vendetta with no shiv

[slow marsh]

Correct

[umbral tulip]

[bleak sky]

running necro doomblade in keys

hate it

[jade abyss]

hey guys short question atm i play venthyr assa and in the wowhead guide stands that i use flag before i use vendetta and on icy veins after using vendetta whats the correct usage ?

[oak sky]

Bruh

[oak sky]

I played some zold yesterday

[bleak sky]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

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[oak sky]

Flag before is slightly more dps per sims but as long as you do it consistently you should have good results in the long run

[timid cloud]

Any thoughts on the new rings with enchants on them?

I'm still thinking if I wanna get one.

Like if that gain secondaries on kill one is good, I'd totally pick one up.

[hollow river]

I wish we could sim them all easier lol

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

It doesn't come with the effect sim at all.

[hollow river]

Yeah

We won’t use them long

I’m buying one before mythic next week

Gonna see what heroic I get first

[jade abyss]

thanks alot !

[hollow river]

Pantheon?

Necro is my only 40 renown left

Wonder if it’s worth to run necro Zold anyway

[oak sky]

I meant in keys but also on pantheon yes

[hollow river]

For the execute and better cleave

[oak sky]

Mmm

If you were renown 60 i would say yeau

Yeah

My pantheon setup is necro zold ep subt deeper ct

Think thats bis

[hollow river]

Well I’m gonna try to get necro ready for mythic

[zinc frost]

Yeah I tried that as well, it slaps

[hollow river]

Deeper? 😮

[oak sky]

Yep

Sims higher in cleave

[strange python]

DS and CT feels scary on the energy

[oak sky]

Nah

[hollow river]

I mean if you’re running necro

Keeping bleeds up become pretty easy

So you get saturated

Without heirmir though

Do you just hold SBS charges and not overcap?

And insta SBS every new target?

[oak sky]

You have infinite energy on 2t/4t

I was heirmir

[hollow river]

Oo

[oak sky]

Better in 2t and 4t both by my sims

[hollow river]

I saw that whispyr ran Merelith or w.e

[oak sky]

My sim said heirmir so i went heirmir

Marileth would be good with a lot of add resets

But i was literally getting 2 the entire fight

Didnt think it was worth

[hollow river]

Gotcha

[oak sky]

And then like yeah you sbs new targets and you make sure to have 1 in the bank and 1 coming up before p1 ends

And you probably want to have 3 for p3

I was hitting close to 12k on our best pulls which is pretty decent I think

[obtuse robin]

wat fight is that

[timid cloud]

I'mma try it out tonight.

[oak sky]

Theres probably people out there with much more practice on necro that could play it better

But I'm positive my build is right, at least for my gear

[limber lion]

Heirmir > Merelith on Pantheon

[oak sky]

Indeed

[limber lion]

Zoldyck > Everything else on Pantheon

Necro > Venthyr on Pantheon

[brazen zodiac]

whats the playstyle with necro? you just kinda slam sbs off cd but keep a charge?

[limber lion]

DS > Vigor/MFD on Pantheon

(when running Necro)

[strange python]

Assumption is you SBS three of them during gem window

And don't overcap outside it

[limber lion]

You use all charges on all targets, saving up charges when needed

If no extra targets are available soon, you use all charges during Gemstone windows

[oak sky]

Yup

[brazen zodiac]

thanks chief

guess i should give it a shot lmfao

[oak sky]

Definitely plan to pool charges for p3 tho

[limber lion]

It's really fun

[oak sky]

Its interesting for sure

[limber lion]

Yeh

[oak sky]

P2 feels the best for me

[limber lion]

P3 of Pantheon was great

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i liked in in m+ figured itd be more different in raid

[oak sky]

My opener is still a little scuffed

But maintaining feels really good

[brazen zodiac]

whats the opener for nerco? can i find it somewhere in the faq?

[strange python]

I feel like the outlier. P3 pantheon felt brutally unfun.

Screen clutter is off the fucking charts

[oak sky]

Its awkward opener with 2t as well

[plush isle]

@limber lion Does Spike get dropped when the first two bosses switch ?

[oak sky]

I kinda liked whispyrs where he would go gar sbs gar sbs on each target

Since that gets you a fat snd that wont drop

[violet jackal]

yes

[oak sky]

Lets you set up better

[strange python]

Holding snd till after all of that??

[oak sky]

Yup

[limber lion]

Here's my opener on it

[oak sky]

Its a full cp snd

[limber lion]

Slice didn't drop

[plush isle]

So you want to have 3 Charges when all of them are back in the last phase

[oak sky]

Not sure if its optimal tho

[limber lion]

But it definitely is jank

[brazen zodiac]

two gars?

you running subt?

[limber lion]

I would still recommend gar slice gar sbs sbs rup sbs env

[limber lion]

Yes

Subt/DS/CT

[brazen zodiac]

for specifically proto?

[limber lion]

Yes

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i felt ct was pretty pog

gotcha

[limber lion]

And for majority of Necro fights tbh

[brazen zodiac]

what fights you feel are nerco? i thought guardian at first but lul guardian

or vigilant i mean

[oak sky]

Lords of dread

[slow marsh]

Sim does gar gar slice spike spike muti rup then doesn't rup 2nd unitl after shiv

[brazen zodiac]

ah

[oak sky]

And also maybe lihuvim

Imo

[slow marsh]

Which seems weird to me

[limber lion]

The opener honestly doesn't matter that much

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[limber lion]

The sim always prioritizes pressing abilities asap to reduce the amount of lost casts

[oak sky]

Thats what i was doing at first actually

[brazen zodiac]

nerco's pretty much pog on any fight that has adds up for a long period of time yeah?

[slow marsh]

Also adds come out pretty quick so i feel holding the 3rd spike might be worth idk

[limber lion]

But for a poison heavy aoe opener, I'd recommend just getting all bleeds up asap

and then going to normal rotation

[limber lion]

I agree

[slow marsh]

Yeah i'm doing it later so we'll see how I play it I guess

Will probs try a couple different things

[limber lion]

This was my first time ever pulling it so I wasn't sure how fast the bosses would stack up

But yeah, I think it's fine to use Slice at 2-3 CP to ensure it doesn't drop

Mine didn't drop with just 1 cp, but it's definitely a bit risky

[strange python]

Sbs might be good on artificer. At least on heroic. Our only close call was the intermission wipe adds which lived awhile

[limber lion]

can't afford to have dead gcd's or it drops and it's a massive loss

[limber lion]

Definitely.

[slow marsh]

Sbs will be better on xymox mythic

not worth for heroic imo

[strange python]

Heroic artificer was a wall for a lot of people tbf

[oak sky]

My initial thoughts were necro on xymox pantheon dread and lihuvim

[limber lion]

Necro on first boss so you don't have to afk until the boss comes out

[slow marsh]

lol tru

[limber lion]

And can snipe adds during p1

[oak sky]

Yeah pretty much lol

[limber lion]

for funzies

[slow marsh]

just see how high you can get kevin stacked

[oak sky]

I played venthyr because i didnt feel like swapping

[limber lion]

Good breakdown

[oak sky]

LOL

I didnt even go ct on boss

1

Cba to care

[slow marsh]

I believe that necro is better for desausage too, at least with tier. Iirc whisp simmed and it only took like 30% uptime on a single add for necro to beat NF / venth and the add is about that

[oak sky]

When I simmed it was roughly equal

Pretty sure whispyr simmed with deathspike

Might be wrong on that

[slow marsh]

Yeah he simmed with full setup

[oak sky]

But i remember a high gear sim where necro was better

[slow marsh]

but my point is that you could just go necro if you go that wing first

[limber lion]

I completely forgot there was an add on Sausage

[oak sky]

Atm i think venthyr is better since they do same dam and venthyr can burst the shields better

[brazen zodiac]

when you simmed it, did you do patchwork or something with cleave?

[slow marsh]

the shield is kind of a joke tho

[oak sky]

Well

[brazen zodiac]

i wanna run some sims myself but i highly doubt i should use patchwork lfmao

[oak sky]

Necro adds like 20 dps or something

So I would rather do slightly more to the joke shield

[limber lion]

I'll have you know that unless you're saving up Flag for the shield, Necro will do more damage to it

[slow marsh]

I mean sure

[oak sky]

I simmed cleave add 2t 3t and 4t necro heirmir vs marileth vs venth

[oak sky]

Flag just came up for it for me

It was around the same timer

[limber lion]

Back in CN I remember simming Necro vs Venthyr prio-damage

when everyone kept saying that Venthyr is the prio-covenant