assassination

[gloomy knoll]

ret is fucking trash

[oak sky]

idk for start of the tier

tbh

[gloomy knoll]

tier set is so bad

[timid cloud]

I played Ret in Legion, mained it.

Was the worst shit in keys.

[gloomy knoll]

lol

[timid cloud]

Dies all of the time.

[gloomy knoll]

dude i pull aggro

so much in keys

i pull aggro on fucking bosses in keys

like what

it's so dumb

[empty hinge]

I miss momentum/bloodlet legion dh

[timid cloud]

Final verdict then ES.

[oak sky]

im probably just gonna do mage for the start of the tier like playing it whenever i can but then unholy at 9.2.5

[gloomy knoll]

unholy is

STRUGGLIN

[timid cloud]

Rip aggro then bam get globaled before you BOP LOL

[gloomy knoll]

mage seems ok

[oak sky]

dont care, just feel like playing it

[gloomy knoll]

lookin like a frost tier

[oak sky]

its an alt

[timid cloud]

At least it isn’t Frost DK.

[gloomy knoll]

fair

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

i like fire better than frost but frost is ok

its a pretty casual alt

[gloomy knoll]

yea

[timid cloud]

[gloomy knoll]

i'm either making havoc or warrior

not sure yet

[oak sky]

i played it in mythic a bit at the end of this tier

[gloomy knoll]

mage is always fun

[timid cloud]

I’ll play both Rogue specs.

Dunno what I’ll alt, tier looks friendly for alts though.

[oak sky]

true

once creation catalyst comes out we're just gonna go crazy

[timid cloud]

Flux isn’t hard to accumulate, & you only need to hit revered once.

[dusky vault]

even with swapping gems dashing is still best in ST by 0.4% lol https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kkGfATDKarANXCh6KUmazz

[timid cloud]

You could probably fix some things about it & squeeze out some more.

Any haste tea simmers?

[empty hinge]

Is it worth now to have obedience on helm

Since shards aren’t working

[timid cloud]

It’s min-maxy.

[spice spire]

Don’t want it to impede your 4p tho

[gloomy knoll]

yea is just a slight gain for a very short window

[timid cloud]

I don’t think it’s worth the 100k gold for less than 100 DPS.

[gloomy knoll]

honestly not that worth

[timid cloud]

Maybe even more, depends on the server.

[gloomy knoll]

especially cuz u might be moving around

leggo slots

depending on what tier you get

/ what drops you get early

[hollow escarp]

sold a helm for 50k yesterday, prices dropped

[timid cloud]

I posted both of mine the other day, with & without. 26 DPS difference.

[spice spire]

Pretty giga

[timid cloud]

Anduin is the one that drops the head.

So if your guild full clears then you get the helm it’ll be

[proven river]

should i continue running NF, or swap to venth?

[round harbor]

do what your heart tells you young one

[proven river]

roll necro, got it

[spice spire]

Continue venth until 4p double leggo or even just keep venth.
Necro is good with 4p 1 legendary

[proven river]

im rolling NF currently, was curious about swapping to Venth over necro for double leggo
Roling necro as my cov was just a joke

[spice spire]

Yeah this info is in the pins but venth is fine.
Can’t recommend NF until 4p double leggo as bis

[zinc frost]

4pc single leggo necro is where it’s at

[proven river]

gotcha, might have to make a change soon then

[nova saddle]

what spec looks to be the best for 9.2 raids? I see a lot of people playing assa

[lusty oar]

probably assa, sub maybe get nerfed and outlaw got baby pew pew

[vestal wren]

i don't think that sub gets nerfed

[abstract flicker]

does it count as nerf for sub when they change the dagger effect?

[hollow escarp]

why would they do that?

[abstract flicker]

cause they dont want to be a nhc sylv dagger in offhand bis for the rest of the expansion maybe? idk maybe its fine 🙂

[balmy condor]

doubt they'll touch daggers

[hollow escarp]

they are nice but not that op

considering we replace the daggers on heroic week as assa

[robust sandal]

Boring for sub though

I think there’s a chance they get nerfed

[hollow river]

[winter stirrup]

There are a new dagger with the 9.2 that's better than Plaguefall's one ?

[hollow river]

Raid dagger maybe

[limber lion]

The dagger that drops from the second to last boss is bis as it's the only one at that ilvl

[violet hemlock]

Isnt taz one good stats too

[limber lion]

But that's on mythic only.

[hollow river]

Probably gonna need a prog dagger anyway

Before you get rygelons

[hollow escarp]

they should make daggers have int/agi so we can trade with casters

[hollow river]

Idk if I love that idea or hate it

Would make it easier to get in the end tho

[limber lion]

That's what the Sylv daggers are for

[winter stirrup]

Sylv dagger ...

man

[hollow river]

Yeah but if a 278 drops from the vault 🤤

[hollow escarp]

week 1 vault dagger, week 2 vault phial

[torn atlas]

Oh yeah. That Sylv dagger I definitely got and the other rogue in our guild missed out on... 😔

[rotund oak]

thats how u win the game

[hollow escarp]

that was me in 9.1

[rotund oak]

ive had the worse GV loots since it was out,literally nothing impactful

its like it never existed

[hollow escarp]

was way more lucky than I deserved ngl

[torn atlas]

I can't actually complain. I was one if the first in our group to get dom set, and got 252 phial and totem very early on.

It's probably fair I missed the daggers.

[rotund oak]

never seen a poxstorm or a phial 252

the entirety of my gear was from keys upgraded or raid

[limber lion]

Me neither

[rotund oak]

even now,ive yet to see anything impactful,its like the g@me says f@ck you,you aint getting anything

10 keys done every single week btw

[hollow escarp]

I should have farmed more keys the past few weeks

don't really have good replacements for dom gear

[limber lion]

Why would you need replacement for them?

[hollow escarp]

and I still have heavy crit gear

just better gear

[limber lion]

Idk, the dom gear is pretty good

Haste/crit on almost everything

[rotund oak]

stop it and open ur stream mr Cev

show us assa tech

[limber lion]

I tried doing that during Echo's dagger split

only to die to banshee's

[hollow escarp]

was that in P2?

because I only remember 2 rogues dying in P3

[limber lion]

Yeah, I died from the very last Banshee's Wail in p2

during the second burn

Everyone just stacked and pressed cloak

I tried running away but couldn't get away from the 30 rogues

[spice spire]

Not important, did you obtain the bag?

[limber lion]

so I just died

[spice spire]

[hollow escarp]

I moved away on that

so I can cloak the next one

[limber lion]

Yeah, I was #1 in dps there

so I got greedy

wanted to save cloak for p3 as well

not worth

[limber lion]

nope, still poor as fuck

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

Surprised how Lolae beat everyone though

as a necro gamer

[hollow escarp]

I blame agi tea + doomblade

[spice spire]

Necro Sin rogue supremacy ;>

[limber lion]

I would play Necro in Sepulcher

but I'm still rocking 54 renown

and I'm not doing any Torghast

[hollow escarp]

time for shaping fate

una dailies can wait

[spice spire]

I was gonna say

It’s story time soon

Free 6 rep probably

Other than that, run it in keys and it’s freelo

That’s what I’m doing with NF.
I’ll int a few for you renown

[hollow escarp]

75 is the last point you get powers anyway

or hp

[slim wagon]

I thought last empowered conduit was on 78 but I dont trust my memory

[limber lion]

That's correct, but the last conduit is the finesse conduit, so doesn't matter

[slim wagon]

prototype pantheon looks like a great fight for necro assa with zoldyck

[alpine latch]

Alright, took most of the week off.. What did I miss?

Are we still up in the air as far as trinkets are concerned?

Or has that all been fleshed out now?

I didn't see anything in faq or pins in here/thread

[timid cloud]

Trinkets still aren’t simmed.

[spice spire]

Trinkets still barely implemented afaik, won’t know until a bit further down the road. Tbh you haven’t missed much Palmer

Except me gaslighting cydone toNecro

[timid cloud]

LOL

[alpine latch]

Yeah - so just gather every single damn one and wait to boost them with Valor. Got it 🙂

[timid cloud]

I had a guy get mad at me this tier at the start, for not wasting all of my valor for a phial at the start.

It was like a really low ilevel one, & I was still farming 10 PF’s a week.

[alpine latch]

All I do for Valor upgrades is I run a +12 GV sim (which in 9.1 was the highest you could boost to), and then when I got the highest item on the list, I boosted it

That's what always made the most sense to me

[spice spire]

That’s sound logic

[timid cloud]

I had a max one last tier, then I got another 226 from a low key this tier, & is was in the middle of farming a 236 one, when he got REAL mad about me not dropping all of my valor week 1-2 on it.

[alpine latch]

yeah

Unless I got an item from a +15, I probably wouldn't waste Valor on something week 2

There's way too much that can change in the first month, and TBH I'd rather upgrade a weapon than a trinket if at all possible

[timid cloud]

Yeah, we had words, trust me…

[spice spire]

Like breakfast? Or Howdy?

What kind of words

[alpine latch]

My guild isn't RWF, or even CE. Our goal is 4/11 and my personal goal is 6/11 (I'm going to be pugging Mythic ASAP now that I'm Horde on Illidan)

[spice spire]

My goal this tier is mythic anduin

Since it’s going to be a loooong one

[alpine latch]

yeah

I'd love to get Anduin. Part of that is also 100% on me, though

I'm the recruitment officer

So if I can't build us a roster to get it, then we won't get it

[spice spire]

You don’t say

[timid cloud]

Not kind ones…

[spice spire]

The other person I’ve seen in that discord is a recruiting officer?

[alpine latch]

My niece once asked me (as a 36 year old dude) if I was pregnant. Those weren't kid words 😦

[timid cloud]

LOL

[spice spire]

I mean…

Were you?

[timid cloud]

Why wo u hayv a bwig ‘ow pot bewwey uncle pawlmer?

[alpine latch]

Nope, just really, really fat

[timid cloud]

[viscid spear]

Man loves his food

[timid cloud]

Imagine not liking food, bet your sweet bippy someone throws down a feast I’m first to do a munch & a crunch.

[alpine latch]

Eh

I'm actually super picky

A lot of people turned to drugs/alcohol for their problems

I ate my feelings

[viscid spear]

I'm imagining the characters from Inside Out

[gusty mirage]

We covered this topic already

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Only women get pregnant in the butt. You should know this Mr. I work in a hospital

SMH

[spice spire]

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

If you don’t pay attention to anatomy

It makes perfect sense

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

You act like that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever said

And we both know that’s not true at all

[spice spire]

That’s not even top 20 homie

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

Clearly women eat baby food and it causes a baby to grow in their stomach.

[gusty mirage]

He’s onto something

[spice spire]

[timid cloud]

The stork delivers the food too.

[viscid spear]

Just like wherever you plant bird seed, you see a bunch of birds there the next day.
Simple science.

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

[viscid spear]

The mascot for Vlasic is a stork, ergo pickles are the best baby food as ot helps them grow.
The baby wincing in agony clearly shows it is working because the baby is stretching its face muscles in anticipation of growth.

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

👩 + 🍆 = 🤰

There's no pickle emote

[balmy condor]

The world is what you make it

[spice spire]

Life has many doors, ash boy.

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

These are some cursed emotes I found when I searched pickle.

[viscid spear]

This emoji is from a server that is either private or unavailable

They all say that

[viscid spear]

You dare mock the son of a shepherd?

[spice spire]

I would never

[balmy condor]

Shepherd? I barely knew her

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/reactions-gif-23256961

I will now take Wilfred and leave

🐐

[bleak sky]

There are no Brazil servers

Big ass pandemic means I can't see gf because she's back to living with her parents

So I got ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD dedicated just to wow+work

No I'm not crying you're crying

[timid cloud]

Lol

[balmy condor]

I know

But you’re on like

200 ping

[bleak sky]

THAT'S ALL I HAVE

it's either that or not playing wow

And 150ms ain't that bad I swear to God

[inland hull]

I believe you, I get the same in East Texas aka "the land that broadband forgot"

[bleak sky]

Rip Texas

[echo geyser]

So thats why u play sin

[balmy condor]

Literally any infrastructure -

Literally any infrastructure, but in Texas -

[bleak sky]

And somehow my dh parses are better

[limber lion]

WoW is definitely playable with high ping

[viscid spear]

Texas

[bleak sky]

[limber lion]

I mean it feels like shit, but pretty doable

[bleak sky]

Yeah spellqueing helps

[limber lion]

Yeh, I've done a bunch of ptr tests where I have over 250+ ping

and it's kinda fine

It's just that you end up queueing a mutilate and overcapping cp more often than not

which is no gucci

but otherwise honestly kinda whatever

[echo geyser]

I cannot play sub or outlaw with lag

Even fps ping whatever

hate it

[limber lion]

low fps is the worst personally

it just tilts me

so I play worse

[echo geyser]

Mm hunter was also ok

[bleak sky]

Me having another shadowstrike go off after the first one put me to 5cp

[limber lion]

yeh, it's always the generators

[echo geyser]

Reactive gameplay with lag

Enjoy new sub tier set

[spice spire]

Bruh, my hunter was working with 300+ ping every raid

Man was raiding from Sri Lanka

[inland hull]

Define "working "

[bleak sky]

I'm planning on going sub, but if it's that bad somehow I go back to sin

[fading wigeon]

wait Quake are you Lankan?

[viscid spear]

Are you a fan of Texas teams?

[limber lion]

nah it's okay

you're free to leave

[echo geyser]

maybe u can get used to it

[limber lion]

[bleak sky]

Two of our raiders (fire mages/frost mages) are from the Philippines and South Korea. I've no idea how they play this game

[spice spire]

I am not

[limber lion]

we don't want no haters in here

only lovers

[spice spire]

One of our hunters were

[fading wigeon]

oh thats awesome

[bleak sky]

The only thing I hate in here is you not loving me

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

I run with a nice 44ms

[bleak sky]

[spice spire]

On eastern US

[limber lion]

True, I only love logs

because I'm a whore

[spice spire]

Had to run from Australia once for a key and it was 250+ms

[limber lion]

logs and big numbers

[spice spire]

Dudes are built diff

[bleak sky]

Straya ping is a no go

It's always nearing 400ms to me, I just can't play with the aussie gamers

[spice spire]

If it was bad for me I can only imagine how bad it is for you mina

Dudes in the Midwest were like “only 100ish ping@“ and I’m nearing 300

[bleak sky]

And it's sad because during NA degen hours it's only them doing the big boi keys

[viscid spear]

I used to play on the Arizona server, and I live out East. So I don't like Outlaw bc it always felt off

[timid cloud]

Y’all hating on Texas again??!

[spice spire]

Always

[bleak sky]

Yeehaw

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

Nice power grid

[timid cloud]

Hey, we made it this year.

[spice spire]

So far

[timid cloud]

Bet your ass I was like this the entire time though.

[balmy condor]

It’s been 2 months slow down cowboy

[spice spire]

In 2021 you guys got too hot and too cold for the power grid

[timid cloud]

Too hot, wouldn’t know, too cold. Whewie.

Had no power for like 4 days.

[inland hull]

Same, fuck that noise

[timid cloud]

Was fun playing in the snow though. I’ve only experienced it a few times in my life.

[spice spire]

Yeah - that shit sucks.
And the surge in pricing, really fucked system

Snow can be fun
But also

Ted Cruz? L

[timid cloud]

Greg Abbot. L

[spice spire]

Texas really out here with nothing going for it, except some exceptional gamers

[timid cloud]

Roll his lil dumbass.

On outta here.

[spice spire]

Whataburger? L

[timid cloud]

HUH

Delusional.

[spice spire]

Did I stutter homie

[timid cloud]

Someone take this green name from this man.

[inland hull]

Watch. Your. Mouth.

[spice spire]

Aggressively mediocre and I had to wait 30 minutes because there’s one in this state and it happens to be where I live

[timid cloud]

I’ve heard from people who have had in & out. It is the better specialty burger. While in & out….is good at making a simple burger.

[spice spire]

At 2 am*

[inland hull]

Must be nice up there in your ivory tower

[timid cloud]

I’ve never heard waiting for 30m

[viscid spear]

Sports teams are doo doo

[balmy condor]

I live in california and I think in’n’out is legit one of the worst burger places I’ve ever been to in my life

[timid cloud]

Spurs have been dogshit since the greats retired.

[spice spire]

That’s a people thing.
Like 30 in line kinda deal

[balmy condor]

And I get raked over the coals by Californians all the time for that take

[timid cloud]

Manu, Duncan, etc.

[spice spire]

That’s a meme, think it’s over hype tho tbh

True

[viscid spear]

Jesse, I mean Cole, no!

[spice spire]

Never had in n out.
Heard consistency is the draw, same for whataburger

[timid cloud]

In & Out is a simple burger joint, you can’t mess it up when you only have 1 type of burger.

[proper sage]

SimPle and bad

[viscid spear]

I lived out in CA for 10 years before moving back east to NJ, and I miss Jack-in-the-Box all the time

[timid cloud]

Whataburger is a specialty burger kind of place, which it does well, even if there’s certain drawbacks.

[spice spire]

Holy shit, Lauren exists

[timid cloud]

I love Jack in the box.

[proper sage]

Where

[spice spire]

“Specialty” the specialty is like jalapeño or a patty melt

[timid cloud]

Sonic too.

[spice spire]

Everywhere and nowhere at once

[timid cloud]

I do custom orders every time tbh.

[balmy condor]

Have you been?

[brazen zodiac]

good morning gamers

[spice spire]

Everyone always asks where have you been, but never how have you been 😔

GM vita

[brazen zodiac]

im starting my driving lessons in a few pog

[bleak sky]

[brazen zodiac]

look at minal pepe and i coming for u in our new whip

[viscid spear]

[timid cloud]

Double meat, double cheese, toasted on both sides, Monterey Jack, bacon, no onions, no pickles, root beer, & fries.

[brazen zodiac]

totally how I'll look like tbh

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

Ash irl

[viscid spear]

I only wear black and autumn colors.

[inland hull]

As we replace gear in early prog with the intention on swapping to NF when double leggo and 4pc are in, are we aiming to keep crit stacking anymore?

[bleak sky]

Sim it and send it

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

What mister minalba said, but haste is back in the menu as a stat we want a bit of compared to 9.1s “stack crit at all costs”

We’ll want a mix of a few stats

But as always

Potential upgrade? TIME TO SIM IT BABY

[timid cloud]

[inland hull]

Quit teaching me to fish, damn

[dapper yew]

So early on, we want to be Venth?

[slow marsh]

[bleak sky]

Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe it's pinned.

Maybe it's personal preference

Maybe it's fight dependent

[spice spire]

Venth and Necro both fine.
4p double legendary looks to be very good for NF and venthyr,

For exact numbers you should always check the pins - whispyr does a pretty good job at keeping it up

He’s kind of a 🐐

[dapper yew]

Thank you

[slow marsh]

[spice spire]

We all know which side I’m on

[slow marsh]

Same buddy

[dapper yew]

What team are you on?

[slow marsh]

They said necrolord was dead on arrival. We will prove them wrong

[dapper yew]

lol

[inland hull]

Tbf, sbs is very satisfying

[slow marsh]

And by they I mean me too 🤣

[viscid spear]

Fury Warrior?

[bleak sky]

yeah he's playing brown outlaw

[spice spire]

Just gotta be the second best rogue in the guild

[viscid spear]

we no Mage tho

[timid cloud]

More of a Night Fae gamer myself…

[slow marsh]

Tbh I'm sure I'll end up playing all 3

[spice spire]

We do have a mage for now

[slow marsh]

No reason not to this tier right

[shy marten]

someone said step kick is good but

#showtooltip
/cast [@focus] shadowstep
/cast ]@focus] kick

is not working for me, does anyone have a working step kick? (both target and focus target)

[slow marsh]

Your bracket is backwards

[viscid spear]

[shy marten]

good eye

[viscid spear]

Is that me?

[spice spire]

Nah, I’ll discuss with you later mister ash? This is for boomer rogues only

[shy marten]

uh still didn't work

oh i need to spam the macro and the kick is late, is there anyway to make it spell queue from range?

[slow marsh]

Probably

[echo geyser]

just spam it yeah

[slow marsh]

I thought the idea was to make it a 2 hitter tho in case you want to step kidney

[viscid spear]

Well if we need what we need it's only natural I fill in as the newbie

[shy marten]

i jsut have to spam it? there's no way to get rid of the delay where i cant spell queue kick because im out of range?

[thorn fjord]

how bad are we gonna suck tomorrow? 😂

[slow marsh]

We? xD

[bleak sky]

About as much as every other class that just lost a ton of borrowed power.

[copper sundial]

[thorn fjord]

Gonna feel dirty running Obedience tomorrow night as sin

[gusty mirage]

can you sim my love for you?

[echo geyser]

idk if u can queue spells like that

[slow marsh]

Been playing obedience on farm so snooze ya lose

[echo geyser]

what is the problem ? @shy marten u are missing ur kicks because u try to step kick last second?

[timid cloud]

No, too many variations.

[bleak sky]

maybe /stopattack in there helps?

before the shadowstep

[timid cloud]

[shy marten]

no im just trying to be ready for when i step into dungeons haha

[echo geyser]

i never have issues with my focus step macro

i just press it twice

[bleak sky]

you don't need that

[shy marten]

never played a rogue before

[timid cloud]

Tbh….

[slow marsh]

Oh you're fine then

[bleak sky]

you're the keybinds person right

[timid cloud]

I think everyone just manually steps nowadays.

[bleak sky]

you don't need ANY of this fancy stuff you're trying to come up with

[echo geyser]

its more useful on sub where u have 2 step charges, idk if sin ever has extra steps left over

[thorn fjord]

unless you're in arenas

[slow marsh]

You're not playing high enough dungeons for a missed kick to kill you anyways and things will be close enough for you to just focus kick if you really care

[bleak sky]

sin is slow as fuck boiiiiii

[timid cloud]

We’ve all had mouse over issues with step or something has gone wrong to make most of us not want to do that.

Simply step faster in PvP

[shy marten]

yeah whenever i try to mouseover step it sometimes does weird things like my mouse isn't exactly lined up and i just step to the target im targeting

[slow marsh]

Mouse over mfd, sbs and door is all I have left

[thorn fjord]

Gladius makes it alot easier to focus macro shadowstep

in pvp

for me anyway

[nocturne geode]

ive had that happen in raid sometimes ill go to step and end up somewhere else xD

[inland hull]

I stepped to sylv on first burn phase and dropped through a hole on the bridge

Twice

[nocturne geode]

^

[gusty mirage]

shadowstep on sylv

was actually the dumbest shit ever

[nocturne geode]

or go to step to a friend and end up on sylv

like ummm?!?!? awk

[limber lion]

That should not be possible in any sense of the word

because when you step, you appear behind the target

and Sylv always faces toward the raid group

I have never had issues with that

[timid cloud]

https://m.twitch.tv/clip/SlipperyRelievedKeyboardTheRinger-gT-tG8Av9PEb9HC4?tt_medium=mobile_web_share&tt_content=clips_viewing

[nocturne geode]

just because it hasnt happened to you though doesnt mean it doesnt happen right? just a question

[inland hull]

After running out for darkness, I stepped back in

[limber lion]

ah right, during the burn

[timid cloud]

Example of why you don’t mouseover step.

[nocturne geode]

yea

[limber lion]

I thought you meant running toward her before the burn

[gusty mirage]

I've shadowstepped to sylv in p1 after she landed in her final jump spot

[limber lion]

didn't think you would be using shadowstep during the burn

[gusty mirage]

and stepped into 4 arrows

[limber lion]

it should be on cooldown at that point already

[gusty mirage]

sylv was like 40 yards away

[timid cloud]

I’ve definitely shadowstepped a chain or two.

[gusty mirage]

like bruh

[timid cloud]

[limber lion]

No, if something is impossible, then it's impossible

[nocturne geode]

falling thorugh the brisdge isnt impossible

[limber lion]

It's not

[nocturne geode]

it happen all the time

[gusty mirage]

then I started waiting for 1 or 2 seconds after she finishes her little gymnastics moves to step

[limber lion]

Shadowstepping Sylvanas when you're running toward her for the burn

and falling through

is

100% impossible

you being a dummy and falling is on you

not shadowstep

[timid cloud]

For the one on the bridge?

[nocturne geode]

wouldnt surprise me tbh

[timid cloud]

It puts you on the edge.

But it doesn’t throw you off.

Like in Sanguine Depths final boss.

Y’all ever shadowstep her when she does the explosion? Fear of god.

Living life truly on the edge.

[bleak sky]

shawdowstepping muezallah

[timid cloud]

Oh well it puts you in front of him, not that bad.

[limber lion]

You shadowstep Sylvanas

[gusty mirage]

iirc it'd step you off the platform for like the first 2 weeks

[limber lion]

it puts you behind her

on the very massive platform

where there is no holes

[snow forge]

never forget death from above'ing maiden in tomb of sargeras in legion and following her down the hole

[nocturne geode]

ive seen people fall through that floor

[limber lion]

it's not a random spot where you shadowstep

????????????????????????????

[nocturne geode]

happened to a holy priest after angel

[slow marsh]

its after veil only though righht

[timid cloud]

I always get put near the brown bridge, might be getting there too late.

[limber lion]

what

you literally cannot fall

through the grey floor

that she's standing on

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

[limber lion]

and where you burn the boss

there is no holes

the holes are on the bridges

on the ice bridge

and the muddy bridge

[slow marsh]

ther'es a bug you can fall through the map if you step too quick in some instances

[limber lion]

wat

[nocturne geode]

yep

[slow marsh]

but only after veil iirc

[timid cloud]

There’s one where it sends you up into the sky if you shadowstep to her in p1

[slow marsh]

Ye JPC on one of the recent clears fell through the map on burn phase, it'

[thorn fjord]

never had any of that happen lol

[slow marsh]

it's hjappened to plenty of people

[thorn fjord]

That sounds awful lolol

[nocturne geode]

i had that mistake once in p1 of shadow stepping her while she was jumping and got dc'd xD that was a funny one

[inland hull]

I die stepping to all kinds of dumb shit: painsmith balls, muehzala, jailer eye. Hell, i stepped to someone that had been yeeted during the remnant fight

I'm dumb

[timid cloud]

Okay no one is stepping Painsmith balls week 32 of the tier.

[thorn fjord]

lol

[timid cloud]

[inland hull]

Not now

[thorn fjord]

I've managed to live after stepping a ball but its tricky

not worth the work lol

[inland hull]

Week 1, oh yeah

Big time

For science

[timid cloud]

You get stunned for like 10s. Best pray nothing else happens & you don’t get a trap.

LOL

Yeah true though, big evasion testing time.

[thorn fjord]

Best is when you'd get wrecked by the Eye beam even after its already almost next to you and the game doesnt want to put you where it should have

[nocturne geode]

why not just cloak beam xD kekw

[inland hull]

I was in a mythic eye run and was gonna door through the beam (which I'd done many times on heroic), fucked my cast timing, got nuked by the beam, and was not asked back the next raid night

[timid cloud]

That is a little funny though, that it puts you to the stage left of the boss.

[spice spire]

Stepping through beam was bis

[timid cloud]

But normally you just cloak it.

[nocturne geode]

i never tried stepping that tbh

[timid cloud]

Since healing is never an issue.

[thorn fjord]

I'd save cloak for shit on the floor

[limber lion]

You should have always used shadowstep on Eye

It always puts you on the exact same position every time

So you can dodge the beam consistently every time without losing uptime on the boss

[bleak sky]

wat

[thorn fjord]

it would bug out on me sometimes if i was stepping left to right

[bleak sky]

you're doing it early then

[thorn fjord]

nah the beam was already almost all the way to the side... it was just dumb -_-

[slow marsh]

i mean doesn't matter now right lol

[thorn fjord]

Nope lol

[timid cloud]

Wdym.

Limit Rogue funnel today…

[thorn fjord]

1 mil gold boiz

[timid cloud]

(Not really.)

[inland hull]

CT impacted by the 4pc, right?

[limber lion]

Yes

[inland hull]

I feel like sin is gonna be substantially more powerful in m+ this season

[limber lion]

I don't know about substantially better, but definitely better than before

Vendetta is a great prio-damage ability though

And with Dusk available very often

[timid cloud]

We still can get snuffed out by any of the other top AOE specs.

Us when the mobs die in .02 seconds.

[spice spire]

Real

But also having a pseudo aoe CD will be nice

[inland hull]

My group maxes out at +20. Mobs tend to live a while with us

[bleak sky]

big doubt

legit

[timid cloud]

If we don't have Shrouded Suffocation baked into Subterfuge next expansion, I still will never believe in Sin making it to the greats of M+

Also if FOK gives 1 CP per 10 mobs as well.

Beyond cringe.

[inland hull]

Imma prove you maybe-not-but-probably-right

[bleak sky]

hope you do

[timid cloud]

I might only still do Sin for TOP at most.

But even then, I still only do Outlaw for it.

[bleak sky]

Sub is probably really good for TOP with tier set

[slow marsh]

Sin will be better than current but you have to remember that the functionality of sin isn't changing in m+

you still have to work 2x as hard to output the same damage as any melee cleave spec

[timid cloud]

Just our damage.

Is gonna be a smidgen more bursty.

Catch me dead...

[slow marsh]

Our damage has never been the issue, it's how we get our damage

sub hits two buttons in aoe for big dam, we have to tab bleed everything

[bleak sky]

that's not a problemm

[timid cloud]

wdym, CT garrotes aren't enough?

[bleak sky]

front loaded vs ramp spec

doesn't matter tbh

[slow marsh]

it does when our ramping itself is the damage and what we're ramping to doesn't do much damage (env spams)

[bleak sky]

it does a fine amount of damage

[slow marsh]

it's not evis

[bleak sky]

the problem is you can't funnel

you can but you can't

[slow marsh]

yeah

[bleak sky]

aoe generator is dogshit

change fok and maybe sin is in a real good spot

[timid cloud]

1 CP per 10 mobs

hehe xd

[inland hull]

And there goes my smile

[slow marsh]

but even if fok gave cps per mob like storm we still wouldn't output as hard + easily as sub imo

[timid cloud]

His optimism: Crushed

[bleak sky]

and that's fine

but right now I feel very useless as sin in some keys

others you can play and still do good but

[subtle tundra]

imma prove you wrong

🙂

[bleak sky]

you're a gamer though

i'm a plebian

[subtle tundra]

everyone is a gamer

[bleak sky]

couldnt even get the title man

[subtle tundra]

you just gotta believe

[bleak sky]

this season for sure

[slow marsh]

I was so confused by your prof pic varas i had to clikck to understand xD

[subtle tundra]

no more exams when people are pushing (cause the season will be so long nobody will be playing)

[timid cloud]

What is that PFP...

[echo jay]

I know sub is ahead in ST, but since I have no sylv daggers, would I still be better off sin?

[slow marsh]

It's sweaty sonic

[bleak sky]

sonic covered in cummies

[timid cloud]

Oh I know...

[slow marsh]

or that

[timid cloud]

I meant...

[bleak sky]

sub is still ahead of sin

doesn't matter if you have daggers or not

[echo jay]

Ok thanks

[subtle tundra]

propaganda

if you only get good sin gear, you will sim as sub

(i will only get good sin gear)

[bleak sky]

tfw there's a 1k gap between sin and sub in current gear

[subtle tundra]

did you optimize your sin gear?

[bleak sky]

ye

I can only get to 9.870 or something

[subtle tundra]

cause if you wear full crit without frost, its fucked

[bleak sky]

I spent a good bit simming combos

and it's depressing

I think cev and oxi managed to get 10k but

[subtle tundra]

havent simmed myself

so i wouldnt know

[bleak sky]

ggive it a go

[subtle tundra]

gaming tarkov now

[bleak sky]

you're gonna see that sweet drop from 12k or so to 9

[spice spire]

Enjoy it while you can

Next week you’re a sleeve to the grustle

[subtle tundra]

wednesday is full mage keys ( 😔

[bleak sky]

mage?

bruh why you betraying us

you're the chosen one

[subtle tundra]

helping guild with gearing, very sad

[bleak sky]

depresso

[subtle tundra]

if i get a hc tier piece on mage i can then trade it on normal

the faster the 4p the faster the prog

[bleak sky]

true true

[spice spire]

Man is out here doing splits

[bleak sky]

god I wish that were me

[sand sigil]

? link kt

it*

[bleak sky]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u5hi966zZ8XPSgiAcV5qrH

that's me sin

you could add haste tea string and get like +70 or sommething

but cba

[subtle tundra]

i didnt tell my gm i'd have an alt so i wouldnt have to gear it

[limber lion]

There's a bunch you can do

[sand sigil]

does it have dom sockets on?

[limber lion]

You can definitely get to 10.2 I reckon

[bleak sky]

yea gems werent changed ig

[bleak sky]

nah

[limber lion]

My current sim is 10.1

[bleak sky]

alll off

[sand sigil]

o fuck i thought that was good for some reason lol

i just checked my sub sim yeah that's a rough spot lol

[bleak sky]

na james it bad

[subtle tundra]

man i still dont have kt shoulders :((( they dropped the only week of raid i missed

[bleak sky]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5ZNbwrJu6BmtEMpro83JKC

like look at the diff

[limber lion]

600 dps

not bad

[bleak sky]

that's 1k that's not 600

[sand sigil]

yeh 10895 best i can do

[limber lion]

no shit sherlock

but you literally don't optimize your gear

[bleak sky]

listen here you finnish boi

[limber lion]

and go "waaaa 1k"

you can get 10.2

but you choose not to

and instead just whine about it

smh

[subtle tundra]

since im romanian i will steal some dps from sub

[limber lion]

[bleak sky]

how do you expect me to optimize my gear

with stuff I don't have

?

[limber lion]

what are you on about

you literally just said

[nocturne geode]

relax guys so much hostility in here

[limber lion]

1. Gems

[nocturne geode]

we all rogues

[limber lion]

2. Obedience helm

3. Tea

[bleak sky]

yea i'm rerunnning gems

[limber lion]

You got all of that

[bleak sky]

Obedience helm for 1 week

[limber lion]

It's something you can do

but choose not to

[bleak sky]

sure let me run that

[nocturne geode]

i agree w you minalbasap as i too am a poor boi since the communities were shut down

🙂

[bleak sky]

private boosting inc

<The Prophet and Friends>

[nocturne geode]

who'd of thunk making me buy my power would make me not want to worry about it unless i have too

literally got ce as fae before it was cool

🤔

[limber lion]

In what tier?

[nocturne geode]

sod

[limber lion]

Noice

[nocturne geode]

all my kills are fae

[limber lion]

Why though?

[nocturne geode]

never swapped till farm to other covs

[dawn ivy]

[limber lion]

I'd imagine you'd do the reverse

instead of sandbagging your team on prog

you do it on farm when it doesn't matter

[nocturne geode]

sandbagging? LOL im not pushing HoF

retired from that stuff not enough time

[thorn fjord]

im only simming 9.7 in sim right now 😦 prob get an extra 100 when i swap crit enchants for haste

but it feels bad and i really dont want to start sub

But its looking like i'll need to

[brazen zodiac]

yall wild im max 9.2k

wtf

[timid cloud]

I MEAN...

That's still a bit of sandbag, no flame.

HOF or not.

[nocturne geode]

must be why i still parsed alright compared to other venth rogues right?

sandbagging

[timid cloud]

[bleak sky]

means you could've done a lot more

[limber lion]

Sure, but intentionally playing a covenant that is over 800 dps worse than the better covenant

[bleak sky]

holy shit this sim is taking FOREVER

[limber lion]

is sandbagging

no matter what level you play at

[nocturne geode]

ahh must be sandbagging too bc i couldnt get a faulty

in over 100 runs

[limber lion]

That's not how that works

[bleak sky]

you didn't make a choice to not get faulty

[limber lion]

You have a choice of switching covenants whenever you want

[bleak sky]

but you did make a choice by running fae

[limber lion]

You chose to stay Night Fae and do 800 less dps

than you would have as Venthyr

[nocturne geode]

no i played what was fun

[limber lion]

There you go

[copper sundial]

Im gonna be sandbagging my raid group i don't wanna play sub :(

[nocturne geode]

im not playing sub either i dont like it

[limber lion]

You don't have to

If you play Sub worse, don't play it

If you don't like it, don't play it

[thorn fjord]

But I gotta be the very best

[limber lion]

I won't be playing Sub either because I play Assa much better than Sub

[copper sundial]

I do play it worse

[thorn fjord]

Like no one ever was

My sub play is worse than my sin play but I can still play it optimally for the most part

Just hate sub... comparing Sims now

If its more than a 600 difference then I'm running sub

[inland hull]

I'm just better at sin, so my dps is higher as sin in raid

[clever kindle]

Sub is more likely to look better early with the daggers

well see I guess

[thorn fjord]

I've got a mythic and heroic dagger rn

[nocturne geode]

never got one to drop here heroic or mythic and only seen 1 drop in all my kills haha

[limber lion]

Only got 1 dagger from all Sylv/Sire kills and vaults.

[thorn fjord]

Got my mythic out of box this week.. go figure lol

[limber lion]

9.2 will be my tier of redemption

[thorn fjord]

Last week 😔

[clever kindle]

9.2 will be the tier 7 of my guild mates dont quit after we kill painsmith

[bleak sky]

@limber lion btw

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4vijwNrKCLHvrSSNwmd4Ny

barely 10k and that's all my "best" gear I guess

[thorn fjord]

10k is nice though

[bleak sky]

and haste tea

[thorn fjord]

That with all haste gems/enchants?

[bleak sky]

yes

I'm assuming it wants even more haste but I don't have the gear to feed it

[thorn fjord]

Yeah my crit is sitting at 44 right now

Haste is pretty low

[limber lion]

Rip

[spice spire]

Colour stonks

[limber lion]

I can get to 10.1 without a mythic Sylv off hand

which is around 120 dps or something for me

oh wells

[spice spire]

Tbf you were stupidly juiced mythic week

[limber lion]

I was one of the most geared rogues for one single week, that's correct

I did get a heroic Sylv dagger from my second kill

[bleak sky]

you're still pretty juiced ngl

[spice spire]

That makes the gear situation infinitely more tragic tho

Not for as much as he’s killed

[bleak sky]

like I have decent gear and you still shadow me by a good 100 maybe 200 dps

[spice spire]

Cev’s luck past like week 6 was tragic

[limber lion]

Yeah, probs missing quite a bit of gear in terms of optimizing for 9.2

but pretty much got everything from mythic raid except the dagger

[subtle tundra]

i still remember the week after we first sylv kill i get ~1k dps from gear upgrades(not dom shit)

[limber lion]

I remember when I was tilted that Mizutani got his shards in one week

I had 5 dom sockets, but I got my full set after 3 weeks

Useful sockets when you don't have shards

[spice spire]

Mizu was also juiced forgot that

Now he’s on the cat arc

[limber lion]

Yeah, he beat me by far the second week because of shards

No one really had shards the first week

but oh boy the second week

[spice spire]

I forget how fucking awful that system was

Always focus on the gameplay negative

Forget about the gathering negative

[bleak sky]

yeah shards are god awful

you get a big juicy 150k crit? it's very pog

you don't crit? gl doing damage mate

[copper sundial]

Never forget the 12.7% crit rating KT kill

[frigid kestrel]

What am I doing tomorrow? MFD/Blindside?

[hollow nexus]

how do we use bone spike?

[spice spire]

Whatever sims best

[spice spire]

First global > during gemstone windows > avoid overcap

[frigid kestrel]

MFD Blindside it is then

[spice spire]

If Kevin, you want to keep Kevin buff up

[hollow nexus]

do we just spam it or like save a charge

yea im using kevin

[frigid kestrel]

ive been ignoring and straying away from MFD all Xpac

[thorn fjord]

You guys running Nadja?

[spice spire]

Then you’ll use it to keep the buff up as much as humanly possible @hollow nexus

[thorn fjord]

Nadia or whatever I'm slow

[hollow nexus]

okay ima go look for something to track it in that case

thanks guys 😄

[spice spire]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=352110/kevins-oozeling

And no problem king

[spice spire]

Almost certainly theo with good tea iirc

[timid cloud]

Remember when we thought Unholy was gonna be good?

OH BOI

Were we fucking wrong.

[spice spire]

Remember ranking UH to 5 first,

[timid cloud]

Yep.

Biggest mistake of my life.

[spice spire]

Gaslit, cydone

[timid cloud]

Good thing I got banned.

[spice spire]

These mfers really out here

[timid cloud]

So I just leveled up Frost on the second Rogue.

[hollow escarp]

I only ranked to 4, but Dyz was 5

[spice spire]

I went to 5
Big mistake

[timid cloud]

Oh that was another mistake I made, I didn't level up my set, I leveled up execution gem because it was mathematically better.

[frigid kestrel]

Im assuming MFD from stealth on pull and on CD (Use and Pool right before Flag Burst)?

[timid cloud]

I was a big dum-dum.

[frigid kestrel]

or am i an idiot and its in the pins?

[hollow escarp]

if you have 30 sec pull timers, yes

[timid cloud]

You don't MFD pre-pull, this isn't Sub.

[frigid kestrel]

Man idk, ive legit never once used MFD

[spice spire]

Mfd logic revolves around doing it in your flag windows to maximize your stacks

So with obedience it’s line up - use on CD - line up - use on CD iirc

[frigid kestrel]

Gotcha

[timid cloud]

Oh lord, I forgot our rotation was I was typing it out for MFD.

[copper sundial]

I got so unlucky with shards that by the time i had the set frost was a thing.

[timid cloud]

I haven't raided in 2 weeks nearly on my Rogue. I'm passing away...

[spice spire]

Should have gone NF

Pod saves you

[timid cloud]

STOP

I should've gone that Necrolord Puzzle you gave us a few months ago.

[spice spire]

[inland hull]

One nice thing about grinding renown for NF is that Torghast has some juicy sepsis powers

[timid cloud]

Yeah, it's the best one.

[clever kindle]

I really like necro in torghast too

[frigid kestrel]

Been on this training dummy for 20 minutes i cant Been on this training dummy for 20 minutes can you not get 30 stacks of flag?

[spice spire]

You can

It’s just rough and requires decent rng

[frigid kestrel]

Welp im glad im not tripping. i always thought you MFD gamers were getting a full 30

I am now at peace

[limber lion]

I tend to get 29 most of the time

[fervent rune]

Will we still use MFD when we switch to NF?

[limber lion]

27-29 is pretty much the default everytime

[limber lion]

No.

[umbral rapids]

you gold mfd for it yeah?

[frigid kestrel]

im getting stuck in the 25 - 28 range

[umbral rapids]

hold*

[limber lion]

Yes, you hold MFD for Flag

[frigid kestrel]

Ye i hold

[umbral rapids]

feels odd having the full cd on it ngl

[frigid kestrel]

What's your Haste/Crit at @limber lion

[limber lion]

What does it matter?

[frigid kestrel]

Curious

[limber lion]

I recommend you stop looking at stats altogether

But I think I was around 48% crit with the dom set

currently 38% crit

28% haste

[frigid kestrel]

last question, whats the opener with MFD?

[glass tulip]

mut - snd - mut - arcane torrent (if elf) - garrote - flag - rupture - vendetta - shiv - vanish - mut - env - mfd/env

[strange python]

out of curiousity, does anyone know when bleeds on poisoned targets gave energy?

like when that was added

[weary marten]

i've seen some people pressing vendetta before flag ? is it weird ?

[strange python]

oh apparently legion. huh

[weary marten]

pretty sure even in wotlk talents it existed

[gusty mirage]

Cata. Patch 4.0.1

[bleak sky]

Patchmaster Oxi

[strange python]

must be under a different name

[limber lion]

Doesn't really matter

[timid cloud]

Alright Oxi.

[strange python]

because venomous wounds was added in 7.0.1

[timid cloud]

What patch was Sin the best in Wrath?

Go ahead & tell me.

With that one-shot Muti build.

[gusty mirage]

Dunno I played combat daggers

[weary marten]

at least the when target dies affected by rupture you gain energy proportionally to remaining duration existed in Woltk

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

hmm interesting

[timid cloud]

I actually don't even know the name of it, it was before 3.3.5

[rotund torrent]

Sup guys, How is the opener with 4pc rn?

[bleak sky]

You can check those in the sims 🙂

[gusty mirage]

Assassination used to rely heavily on ruthlessness and seal fate for cp generation vs energy regen. Not entirely sure when that changed because I quit at the end of wrath

[brazen zodiac]

i did it gamers i drove a car!!@

sure i almost took us into a snowbank and made an old lady shit herself but i got the hang of it afterwards!!!!!!!

[spice spire]

Proud

[brazen zodiac]

tomorrow ill be a pro >:)

[bleak sky]

this effect on necks isn't being accounted for in raidbots, is it?

[glass tulip]

24 hours gamers, we're almost there

[granite mist]

Does anybody know if the Cypher equipment works in things like M+? Like the helmet with Cosmic Blast etc.

[bleak sky]

still almost a week until rogue raid

[glass tulip]

[fervent rune]

I believe it’s just in the zone Jaron

[glass tulip]

dorki is coping calling assassin A tier in M+ lol

[spice spire]

Mister dorki can check his bank account for that one

Also minalba, why a week on rogue raid?

[bleak sky]

we raid fridays

and sat

[glass tulip]

casual weekend rogue

[spice spire]

[clever kindle]

short lived like when I got shiv nerfed and that build died

F

[soft merlin]

we go obi lego tomorrow instead of dashing because no dom sockets and more haste instead of crit?

[timid cloud]

Well...

At least we're not playing Hidden Blades in ST, y'know?

With FOK being a great builder. :^)

[soft merlin]

Good point

[spice spire]

Whatever sims better for you

[old thistle]

Shiv would do more dmg in wrath the dmg was affected by weapon speed

There was a meme spec that lived like two weeks with that

That and honor among thieves bug

[storm onyx]

Paper cutter daggers 1.2 speed poison build was fun

[plucky isle]

what lego is used now as necrolord? is doomblade still viable?

[old thistle]

Sin had the hunger for blood changing every patch

[bleak sky]

check pins and also sim it