assassination

[balmy condor]

Plenty of people yes

[slow marsh]

tru we got you as a CF

❤️

[glass tulip]

legion TW is scheduled for 2nd or 3rd mythic week iirc

[gusty mirage]

I mean compared to like decanter of anima winds and shit it’s still p good

But yeah

[balmy condor]

Is that after they moved it?

[glass tulip]

Moved when

idk

[balmy condor]

They moved it like 2 weeks ago

[glass tulip]

oh, those were the only dates I was ever aware of

did they announce it being moved?

@balmy condor @obtuse robin Looks like April 12 now

[balmy condor]

Yah that seems reasonable

I couldn’t remember the day

[glass tulip]

not sure what xpac this one is

[balmy condor]

That’s wod

[glass tulip]

Mop Next week, then wod then legion then

[oak jungle]

!guu

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[bleak sky]

[obtuse robin]

ahh cool

[proper tapir]

Hi, so we use ambush over muta whenever we can now?

[spice spire]

Yes

[proper tapir]

Thanks

[wanton path]

holup I'm out of the loop why we using ambush now?

[cerulean nest]

anyone know how long Anduin fight should be?

[echo geyser]

bout two fiddy

[tame coyote]

we still run crit, haste or replacing haste with mastery?

[hollow river]

haste crit

you will likely take ilvl over everything at first

vers and mast will gain a small bit of value since shards are gone, so you will likely want a little bit, but still our worst stats

[bleak sky]

more damage

[wanton path]

I assumed as much was more wondering why

like what changed about the poison app chance

is it just scaling or

[echo geyser]

isnt it cause we moved away from MA and went subterfuge?

[sturdy merlin]

Hey @bleak sky tryna get that million gold from Liquid ? 😛

[wanton path]

ah right so its for new build makes sense

[bleak sky]

I see all you yellow bois

traded a jaithys now time to collect the real dough

[sturdy merlin]

[echo geyser]

crazy that bid war from all the rwf guilds

10mil for tier pieces man

[gusty mirage]

kind of, the whole use mutilate instead of ambush thing was a combination of poison damage, doomblade being used at the time, and combo points

[glass tulip]

sub 3 min fight

[cerulean nest]

that'd be kinda cool lol

mechanically super challenging, but really short

[proper tapir]

Wait, so we only use ambush if we run subterfuge? I'm simming best with MA and doomblade (yes, I'm venth), should I still be ambushing?

[echo geyser]

i thought subterfuge was new default? or is that only with tier

[bleak sky]

if you're running MA you're not ambushing

[balmy condor]

Subterfuge with tier

Ambush always

[bleak sky]

subterfuge = ambush

[echo geyser]

i havent done any sin sims yet

[balmy condor]

You ambush with MA

[echo geyser]

is that 2p already?

[balmy condor]

With 4 piece

[echo geyser]

ok nice

[bleak sky]

when, how

then the !mut rules would apply, no?

[sturdy merlin]

only on opener i guess ?

[bleak sky]

or are you just talking about sepsis

[balmy condor]

2 months ago when cev checked mut vs ambush and ambush was better

Gear changes small things like that all the time dunno

Ambush from sepsis was always neutral

The sim has never not ambushed from sepsis

[gusty mirage]

it was always kinda close before cev looked into it, ye?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

It was pretty bad in nathria when I first implemented it

Then in sanctum is was a little worse to neutral

Then in 9.2 it’s better

[limber lion]

There was multiple reasons, like the introduction of CTTC. The rule was made before CTTC was a thing

We also used to play Doomblade, which is obviously reliant on using Mutilate more

Ambush is lit, press it

[cerulean nest]

when though? just during opener/vanish?

[proper tapir]

So even with sanctum gear (no tier) and doomblade? Still ambush?

[limber lion]

Always

[cerulean nest]

doesn't it require stealth if not talented?

[limber lion]

Whenever you can use a generator and Ambush is available, you press it

Meaning from stealth or with Sepsis

[cerulean nest]

ah right

[limber lion]

Obviously you don't press it

if you can't

but if it's available and you need a generator, you press Ambush

[cerulean nest]

yeah by "always" I thought I was missing something

gotchu

[proper tapir]

Yeah, okay. Thanks team!

[limber lion]

:)

[bleak sky]

I'm not seeing it in a quick sim tbh

assuming 9.1.5

[limber lion]

As Venthyr you never press Ambush

Because Venthyr is more reliant on combo points because of Flag

[bleak sky]

that explains it

Actually don't see it in necrolord either

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3XT3hLHWLUeiHg1cKp7Aff/simc (Doomblade)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aHfy1m3pAtgeemUZ1UwXDb/simc (Dashing)

[limber lion]

You don't use it with MA either

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

this though?

[balmy condor]

Are you sure

[bleak sky]

like

[balmy condor]

I thought part of the whole thing with ambush was that it was better everywhere

[oak sky]

why would you use it with MA

[balmy condor]

That was the cringe

[limber lion]

ambush,if=variable.use_filler&(master_assassin_remains=0&!runeforge.doomblade|buff.blindside.up)

[bleak sky]

exactly what I'mm asking myself

[oak sky]

everything but MA makes sense

[bleak sky]

subterfuge? I get it, vanish and ambush sure

but MA it's weird

[slow marsh]

because first global doesn't matter in ma

the cp doesn't

[bleak sky]

it's not ambushing in MA either ice

look at the sims

sure there's that condition over there

and I guess that cucks it but idk

[balmy condor]

Where’s the stealthed list

Am i blind

[bleak sky]

idk sim man you tell me

[limber lion]

This is with Necrolord

So the rule applies only to Venthyr, as you'd expect

But again

like

[balmy condor]

@limber lion I’m on mobile but I’m not tripping right

There’s no stealth list

[limber lion]

every iteration of Ambush

is like 3-15 dps

[limber lion]

Right

[slow marsh]

wouldn't it have slightly less value on necro lord if using DB tho?

[balmy condor]

Where did it go

[bleak sky]

there's a link for dashing as well iceblades

[slow marsh]

o

i'll look in a sec i'm trying to close out a league game

[bleak sky]

ya go get them

[limber lion]

There's only a vanish list

[bleak sky]

did you delete them

on accident

[limber lion]

Precombat, default action list, cooldowns, direct damage abilities, damage over time, vanish

[limber lion]

The sim I posted is done with Dashing

Using Ambush during MA is better for Necro everywhere

Venthyr is the only exception

[bleak sky]

did you remove a condition somewhere in your sim?

[limber lion]

Yes

[bleak sky]

thihs one

oh ok

[limber lion]

Yes

But like, using or not using Ambush is a super minimal gain

doesn't really matter either way honestly

[bleak sky]

yeah +12 right might as well be margin of error

[limber lion]

Yeh

[slow marsh]

Would it not get bigger with gear though

I thought that was the reasoning ambush was creeping back in the first place

[limber lion]

Venthyr is the only one that sucks dick because you always have to use 2 generators b2b during MA during Flag

which is just a waste

[bleak sky]

we can check that lemme grab whisp T28

[limber lion]

No, the reason is that that line has not been touched or looked into since 9.0.5

A million things have changed

CTTC was introduced

We don't play Doomblade

We don't value CP with other covenants

etc

[slow marsh]

I mean either way it doesn't really matter we're hopefully only playing venth for like 2 seconds

[bleak sky]

cev do you have to go in advanced sim and paste the APL without the condition to test it with t28 gear?

[limber lion]

I mean you have to paste the entire profile in and create a copy of the profile

And have the copy of the profile not include the condition

[bleak sky]

k

[limber lion]

I mean, you still have to include the ambush line but you have to modify it

but I'd like to remind you

that with the t28 profile

we never use master assassin

so doesn't matter either way

[bleak sky]

welp you're right

uhhhhhhhhh

how to test

[limber lion]

what exactly are you trying to do?

[bleak sky]

this

[cerulean nest]

https://tenor.com/view/math-what-i-dont-understand-confused-lost-gif-9121307

[bleak sky]

it's +12 with sod gear, but would that number get bigger with 9.2 gear (if we were to play MA)?

[limber lion]

but

[slow marsh]

It doesn't matter imo

[limber lion]

why would you test that

[bleak sky]

I read your justification though

[limber lion]

when we never play ma

[slow marsh]

Subt is only -27 behind MA on necro with current gear anyways

on ST

[echo geyser]

[limber lion]

Yeh, subt actually sims higher for me than MA on my second rogue

haven't simmed it on my main

anyways, here's the result

same low numbers

as I said

[bleak sky]

I really do gotta learn how to sim

[limber lion]

gear does not matter

[bleak sky]

[limber lion]

it's about cttc introduction, not using doomblade, not caring about cp

and so on

everything that was listed in !mut

[echo geyser]

is garrote > snd enough to keep snd up with subterfuge opener?

[limber lion]

yes

[echo geyser]

nice

[bleak sky]

so about that stealth list though

[limber lion]

previously the sim would use slice very late because it wanted to build cp for it

but now it does not matter

[bleak sky]

is there anything important missing in the APL that you remember cev?

whispyr seemed a little worried that it was missing

[limber lion]

Stealthed Actions

Nighstalker on 3T: Crimson Tempest

actions.stealthed=crimson_tempest,if=talent.nightstalker.enabled&spell_targets>=3&combo_points>=4&target.time_to_die-remains>6

Nighstalker on 1T: Snapshot Rupture

actions.stealthed+=/rupture,if=talent.nightstalker.enabled&combo_points>=4&target.time_to_die-remains>6

Subterfuge: Apply or Refresh with buffed Garrotes

actions.stealthed+=/pool_resource,for_next=1
actions.stealthed+=/garrote,target_if=min:remains,if=talent.subterfuge.enabled&!will_lose_exsanguinate&(remains<12%exsanguinated_rate|pmultiplier<=1)&target.time_to_die-remains>2

Subterfuge + Exsg on 1T: Refresh Garrote at the end of stealth to get max duration before Exsanguinate

actions.stealthed+=/pool_resource,for_next=1
actions.stealthed+=/garrote,if=talent.subterfuge.enabled&talent.exsanguinate.enabled&active_enemies=1&buff.subterfuge.remains<1.3

This is the normal stealth-list that he was talking about

Which has rules for Nightstalker/Subterfuge mainly

[bleak sky]

hmm

[limber lion]

But that entire section is missing for whatever reason

[bleak sky]

yea and nothing there would have made a difference for ambush anyway right

so

[limber lion]

With MA, correct

[bleak sky]

+12 big

[balmy condor]

That’s not my job

@fleet anchor would be the person to ask

The stealth action list on sin seems to have magically disappeared

[bleak sky]

[balmy condor]

It’s still being called in the default actions

But it doesn’t show up in sims

[balmy condor]

These sims for example

[limber lion]

@balmy condor I looked through, and looks like they're not listed under the Action Priority List category.

You can still see them in the profile properly.

[bleak sky]

[limber lion]

Kinda weird how it's disappeared from the APL dropdown category though lol

[balmy condor]

Hm

Maybe if the list doesn’t get triggered

It doesn’t show?

Kinda weird behavior though

[limber lion]

Yeah, tried a sim with subterfuge and the list pops up

interesting, never noticed that behavior before

[balmy condor]

I kinda hate that ngl

[limber lion]

ye fo sho

[fathom swift]

lots of specs have like aoe lists that dont get triggered on st etc.

[glass tulip]

[balmy condor]

you yoinking my emotes bud?

[glass tulip]

as you can see what I sent was a completely original image

[oak sky]

i got this one into my guilds server

[viscid spear]

Guys, NFTs are serious business, stop messing it up

[fleet anchor]

What do you mean?

[balmy condor]

didn't realize that if an action list never gets called, it doesn't appear in the html report

with MA sin never hits the stealthed list

so it doesn't show up

[fleet anchor]

Yeah MA doesn't really use anything in the Stealthed list

[indigo totem]

What's the official verdict on FoK? Is it bugged, but working as intended like the old vanish bug or is it just garbage? 🤔

[oak sky]

what

what bug would there be with fok?

[indigo totem]

@oak sky cp generation, my bad, should have specified

[oak sky]

thats not a bug

it gives you 1 combo point+1 per enemy it crits on

basically 1 cp baseline + seal fate

works different from shuriken storm

[glass tulip]

1 cp

[indigo totem]

@oak sky OK, thanks!

[amber fossil]

yikes, if I had known Enlightened rep was going to be so hard to come by, I wouldn't have skipped 1-3 chapters on alts

[timid cloud]

"1 cp"

LOL

I wish FOK was as good as Shuriken...

[glass tulip]

you dont need the rep on alts though, except to get conduits

[amber fossil]

well, theres the memory for lego

[hollow river]

acc wide

[amber fossil]

req's revered

[gusty mirage]

leggos are account wide

[oak sky]

memory is account wide

[amber fossil]

well hot damn

[gusty mirage]

learn it on your main where you have the rep and it'll be available to craft on alts

don't torture yourself friend

[oak sky]

that shouldve been obvious tho all leggos are account wide arent they

[hollow river]

the only thing you need rep on alts for is Honored to craft 291 legendary base items

if you're a gold goblin

[amber fossil]

I am at the q-master and there is no mention of account wide

[oak sky]

honored has the 239 conduit item

[gusty mirage]

legendaries are account wide

it won't show up on the vendor

[oak sky]

think about it you can only buy the sephuz pvp leggo once

[gusty mirage]

if you went and leveled a new rogue to 60

it'll have access to every legendary your main rogue does

my night elf rogue alt

every single legendary

[echo geyser]

oh man im gonna make more rogues now

[timid cloud]

You didn't know 'bout that?

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

my level 50 void elf rogue:

[glass tulip]

revered

[timid cloud]

You guys clearly don't get banned enough.

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

[timid cloud]

[glass tulip]

Anyone got a shroud / cancel bron stacks macro

I know ramfam does but I dont wanna tag him if someone has it available :)

nvm I figured it out

/cast Shroud
/cancelaura Bron's Call to Action

[junior rampart]

Would secondary stat proc'ing trinket is better even if its a bit lower ilvl? like 236 ilvl.

[balmy condor]

better than what

[glass tulip]

and also the answer is sim it

[brazen zodiac]

[indigo totem]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[modern holly]

guys how much is your overall dps? I cant seem to get above 9k with 247 gear in m+ and i think its a bit low

[timid cloud]

Too many factors go into overall.

[glad siren]

now that dashing isn't a thing anymore...

what are the stat weights i should be focusing to get... is it crit vers?

[timid cloud]

Pull size, dungeon, fight length, group comp & what your CD’s are looking like. Don’t worry about it so much.

[timid cloud]

Crit / Haste, but as always sim yourself.

[modern holly]

my mates worry about ot more than me, if the fight is less than 30 secs, i cant pull more than 8k, on big pulls that are longer duration its fine, 14-15k but overall im around 8.5

[glad siren]

ty yeah just wanted a kind of broad late game idea

[modern holly]

im not sure if i should change to sub for m+, ive always played assasin and i dont like the idea about changing spec now

[glad siren]

^ i feel you there

[modern holly]

maybe things will get better with the set bonus...

[timid cloud]

You’re fine with Sin until 25’s

If you’re expecting a Rogue to be top of the meter all of the time in M+ it just won’t ever really happen.

It gets massively outshined by stronger AOE DPS, such as MM, Frost Mage, WW, etc.

[modern holly]

warriors with way lower gear are above me always...

[timid cloud]

Yeah. That’s expected.

You could be in BIS & still get snuffed out by certain alts if they’re played well enough.

[modern holly]

ty mate

[jade minnow]

is it bug or what?

[oak sky]

probably just showing the actual piece and the item you loot

[jade minnow]

doesn't show on others

[leaden garden]

Is asa considered a slow paced specc atm? not played asa since bfa. is there a lot of time spent pooling energy?

[hollow river]

there's some time spent pooling yeah

it gets a bit faster paced after you get your tier set in 9.2

[glad siren]

sin just seems much easier to me

[vestal wren]

it is, but it gets a little more tricky with tier set

[jade minnow]

am I missing something but why the profile has those items

instead of those

[oak sky]

Head isnt tier in the profile since we only need 4/5

And the hands on your screen kinda look like the mog might be for another class honestly

Like visually it doesnt match up with the rogue set

Could just be a tooltip kinda thing in the dungeon journal

[jade minnow]

they are literally in the journal

[limber lion]

Because the tier sets and their stats were literally changed less than one week ago

They used to have copy-paste stats from SoD previously

The profiles were made before the tier set stats were changed

[jade minnow]

so the stats on wowhead are what we are going with?

just to be sure

[placid dawn]

just sim your character, that is almost always the best way to go

[limber lion]

Whatever is in the dungeon journal is correct

[dense bramble]

do we have a data for 9.2 already?

[limber lion]

a data?

what does that mean?

[bleak sky]

Release date?

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

[vestal wren]

raid opens next reset, infos about legos/etc are in the pins

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

gm oxi

[gusty mirage]

Gm my good friend Minalba

[bleak sky]

[sterile chasm]

Hello

[meager basalt]

yo so i like the standard blizz frames but is there an addon to put like time remaining text on the dots/bleeds i have on my target?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah you can get weakauras that do that for you

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[gusty mirage]

Those two have trackers for bleeds

[meager basalt]

i cant believe this isnt standard in wow

[gusty mirage]

Neither can I tbh, they should def improve the default nameplates too

[quasi ledge]

Try Interface > ActionBars > "Show numbers for Cooldowns". It'll show the number countdown on your abilities, maybe it'll add them to your target as well

[meager basalt]

yeah i tried tht and it didnt work :/

[gusty mirage]

Yeah a good WA pack is essentially a must have these days

[quasi ledge]

But even just a couple of WA's are gonna be much better either way

[meager basalt]

wait this is like a full on rogue WA kit

[gusty mirage]

I’d just delete the stuff that isn’t bleed trackers

[meager basalt]

wait lemme take a screenshot and show u

1 s

[gusty mirage]

I might be able to find you something for just bleeds one sec

[bleak sky]

good guy CF 🥺

[gusty mirage]

Ah you’re looking for something that tracks bleeds on the nameplates then?

[meager basalt]

yessir

its killing me

having to look at their actual name icon

to see my bleed timer

[gusty mirage]

I’d download plater (cause the default nameplates are actually buttcheeks)

And use @limber lion ‘s profile

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

[meager basalt]

thank you brother ima go play with tht

[gusty mirage]

[shy marten]

hi guys how do you guys bind ur spells

[echo geyser]

12345 qerftgzxcv + modifiers

[shy marten]

can someone send me some pictures of how they bind their rogue + something else (preferably fdk/bdk/hpriest/rsham/rdruid/aff/destro so i have a reference)

[echo geyser]

m3 m4 m5

copying someone binds is not very wise

very personal preference

but there are good binds in terms of reachability

[shy marten]

well that's why i want + a reference so i can refer to how i bind those other specs

cos i think usually people have spells that do the same thing across specs bound pretty much the same?

[echo geyser]

yes

i got my kicks and stuns always same

and focus macros as well

[shy marten]

i dont know how to deal with the excess of utility buttons to press

what spells do you have on focus?

currently i only have kidney and cheap but i think i need more like shadowstep?

[gusty mirage]

you don't need a focus step macro unless you pvp

[bleak sky]

that's entirely down to preference right

[echo geyser]

kidney blind gogue cheapshot kick shiv

[trim raptor]

Whats talents are we playing on the first week of raid? Still ep ma vigor?

[echo geyser]

focus step kick as well

[bleak sky]

I don't think you can really base your stuff around someone else's binds

[gusty mirage]

we haven't played vigor in months

unless you were not venthyr

[trim raptor]

Is it mfd now? Haven't raided in a while

[gusty mirage]

ye

[shy marten]

see normally i have focus kick and maybe focus on 1 cc and that's it

idk how im gonna bind so many spells

[gusty mirage]

pretty big optimization was found in ~octoberish?

[echo geyser]

u use modifiers

imagine u have 10 base binds or w/e

add shift + ctrl modifiers

now u have 30 binds

[trim raptor]

Interesting. Ill check it out

[echo geyser]

also modifier macros work if u dont want a lot of stuff on ur bars i guess

[trim raptor]

Currently watching perfecto using mfd

[echo geyser]

but they do exact same thing

[shy marten]

i want to keep say f, shift-f, and control-f to do the same thing, but i guess that wont work since focus and the own spell only takes up 2 slots

[echo geyser]

why do u want them to do the same thing

i dont have to use ctrl that often tbh

only a few binds with it

shift is my main modifier

[shy marten]

well i want like i have c for kidney

i have shift-c for focus kidney

[echo geyser]

yeah thats good

whats the issue with that

[shy marten]

i dont have enough base spell + shift mod slots for these focus spells cos the other specs i play dont have this

i alot of my shift spells are used for defensives and long CD spells that means i cant put the things that need focus macros on those or the non-mod ones

[echo geyser]

ah u mean ur bars are too small?

i know that feeling playing dh in bfa

going to outlaw rogue

[shy marten]

just not enough space in a way that would let me transfer the same kind of spells to the same buttons

[echo geyser]

i dont use modifier macros myself, but that would solve ur issue unless u want to add more buttons to ur bars

[dense bramble]

a date. Yes, release date

[shy marten]

i normally have at most 1-4 and r f as my dps rotations

[limber lion]

9.2 was released last week...

[shy marten]

and then t for kick, then a bunch of shift for long defensives and non-mods for offensive and shorter cd utility stuff

[limber lion]

It's literally been playable for 5 days now.

[shy marten]

but most specs dont need focus macros for their utilities

[dense bramble]

damn i tought it would take longes

[echo geyser]

i mean focus kick is something that p much all classes can use, unless the spec doesnt have a kick

[shy marten]

yeah i guess that's on caps lock though

[echo geyser]

but ur right, not many classes have a lot of utility stops

[red plaza]

Maybe look in to a MMO mouse?

[shy marten]

yeah maybe i need to get one :/

[limber lion]

I only bind everything left from 4rfv

[shy marten]

like a lot of specs i can just bind them on zxcv and shift-zxcvrftg

[limber lion]

I don't go near tgb5

There's definitely enough keybinds there

and I only use a shift modifier personally

[shy marten]

can you show me your binds ceverion?

[limber lion]

I do have my spammable abilities on my mouse which I use a lot, but I also have them bound on the keyboard for convenience

[gusty mirage]

I use ctrl for some stuff, but 90% of my modifiers shift

[limber lion]

I highly recommend just making your own binds

[gusty mirage]

I think I have just sprint on control

[limber lion]

My binds are shit for anyone else but me

[shy marten]

it's just for inspiration

[red plaza]

I’m guessing you’re trying to PvP? You don’t need to focus that many of our abilities

[limber lion]

I mean yeah, PvP is definitely a different beast

but just slam some binds on control and you're set

[shy marten]

well not really but i might try pvp in which case i would really need the macros to be in places i already am familiar with

[limber lion]

Give an mmo mouse a go

[gusty mirage]

yeah an mmo mouse is legit so useful

[red plaza]

PVE the only focus macro you really need is kick. Possibly kidney and blind

[gusty mirage]

looking for inspiration from other's people binds doesn't really do much for you, just try diff stuff out and hit a dummy

and see how it feels

you can worry about macros and shit later

[shy marten]

well i wanted to see how people cross class bind on rogue

[limber lion]

Bottom row is for my mouse

[shy marten]

like i'd imagine if u played dk then evasion = ibf and cloak = ams

something like that

[limber lion]

But as you can see, everything is bound on top as well

I have my interrupt on F on all classes

I have my movement ability on R on all classes

[gusty mirage]

double on-use gang too?

[limber lion]

I have my finisher on E on all classes

I have my generator on 1 on all classes

Just figure out buttons that works for most if not all classes

and you're set for life

[gusty mirage]

ye

[limber lion]

Covenant ability on C for every class

[gusty mirage]

just keep it consistent as best you can

[limber lion]

Movement speed on x

[gusty mirage]

but you won't be able to for everything

[limber lion]

But again, these work for me but might not work for others

James moves with his mouse and turns strafes with XZ

which is super cringe

but it works for him, so why not

[gusty mirage]

tru

[shy marten]

eh, i find that when i have someone else's 2 class keybinds i can find my binds easier

[limber lion]

People are very different

Some people have smaller hands

Some people have large hands

Some people have an mmo mouse

[dawn ivy]

you lose linear understanding of button layouts though

[limber lion]

Some don't

[dawn ivy]

everyone has their interupt on different bindings

or self heal

or cloak/evasion

[limber lion]

You just need to make keybinds for yourself

And if you're going through keybinds now, I highly recommend that you do it slowly and finding the perfect setup for you

Don't rush it and just copypaste someone else's setup

[dawn ivy]

like i have kick on 7 for literally every class i have ever played for almost a decade

[shy marten]

well okay i mean it like, if you played dk and rogue, where would you put feint

and what would be on the feint keybind for dk

[dawn ivy]

i have it on ctrl 4

something similar

[limber lion]

It's important to also remember how your class plays rotationally

[dawn ivy]

a short defensive cd

maybe their personal ams

[shy marten]

that's what helps me find my keybinds

[limber lion]

It's better to have buttons that you press back to back on different fingers

instead of one finger doing gymnastics

I think some of my keybind choices are cringe nowadays

but I've gotten super used to them so no point changing really

[dawn ivy]

i have my movement abilities always bound to 9.s9,c9,a9 i have kick on 7, i have stuns on 8, immunities on 10s, ranged damage on 12

[limber lion]

I wouldn't put Slice on 3 for example

it's one of the best binds we have and as Assa we literally press it once per encounter

[dawn ivy]

no matter what class/spoec i play thats what i do

[shy marten]

well tbh, you showing your bind doesn't help me until you show me also something else

like i need a different class/spec that i have binds already set up to reference

[dawn ivy]

what class are you playing

[limber lion]

That's exactly why

you have to setup your own binds

[shy marten]

fdk/bdk/hpriest/rsham/rdruid/aff/destro

[limber lion]

you got it

[gusty mirage]

seems to be a really weird thing to focus on ngl

there's some abilities that just don't translate over

[limber lion]

that's why you don't look at other people's binds

you look at your previous binds on other characters

[shy marten]

yes i know, that's why i look at how other people swap the binds that dont translate

[bleak sky]

I'm gonna upload a few images here, I play a couple of those classes listed

[gusty mirage]

they don't

[limber lion]

They don't matter

[gusty mirage]

they just put stuff where it works for them

[limber lion]

You slap them somewhere where they feel good and make sense rotationally

[bleak sky]

this is me on rogue

[limber lion]

cringe sub rogue

[gusty mirage]

nice useless 3 min cd next to symbols

actual garbage cooldown

ggs only

[bleak sky]

this is bdk

[bleak sky]

I don't think I'll play sin for 9.2

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

[bleak sky]

help the mods are bullying me

[gusty mirage]

we're not mods

learn 2 read nerd

[bleak sky]

and this is resto sham

now a bunch of stuff are macro'd together on rshamm

[dawn ivy]

i linked sub rogue setup and didnt even get a comment, while you get absolutely dragged

[cerulean nest]

im overwhelmed trying to wrap my head around both specs, all different covenants, different openers/rotation quirks, stats etc. lol

[red plaza]

I didn’t play ptr at all, but 4 piece double leggo nf assa seems like it’s gonna be fun af

[bleak sky]

yea you're a || cutie ||

[gusty mirage]

[shy marten]

alright thanks minal

[bleak sky]

but still, binds vary from character to character

[limber lion]

I was about to link my aff setup but I figured it didn't make sense

so I didn't

:')

[bleak sky]

and you just put them on where they make sense

[dawn ivy]

ive never played a spec/class that didnt translate every single ability

[gusty mirage]

he decided he wanted to be my friend, this is how I am to friends

[dawn ivy]

i knew where every ability should land within a few hours of gameplay

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

how do you translate cloudburst totem to rogue?

[limber lion]

I definitely don't

Shit feels awful for a while

[gusty mirage]

yeah bro sprint bind

[limber lion]

but you find a bind

and get used to it

[bleak sky]

[dawn ivy]

is that a short offensive cooldown?

[shy marten]

well, it took me a while to translate my rsham binds into a hpriest layout, that took a while

[red plaza]

Assa rogue to 9.0 aff lock took a minute

[shy marten]

but i was very happy with where all my binds landed

[dawn ivy]

yeah cloudburst is a 30 second offensive CD

boom put that bitch on the shiv/symbols bind

ez

[limber lion]

where do you put seeds of corruption

[dawn ivy]

some place very easy to hit but not in the center of your rotational keys

thats aoe mf

thats on 5

right where my crimson tempest is

[limber lion]

sure

where do you put agony?

[cerulean nest]

which fights besides prototype pantheon do you see sin being the clear better choice for prog?

[limber lion]

where do you put corruption?

where do you put siphon life?

[dawn ivy]

agony? that shits a constant applied rotation ability i put that on 3 or 4 prolly

corruption on 1

siphon life on mmmmmm somehwere in 1-4

[limber lion]

siphon life is a talented ability though

you sure you want that on 1-4?

it's a niche choice

[dawn ivy]

i think drain soul or siphon life

[shy marten]

well like i dont know where to put tricks, but with minal's pictures i can bind it to the same button as lichborne

so that really helps

[dawn ivy]

i dont play lock so dont actually have muscle memory lmao

[limber lion]

Yeah, what I'm just trying to say

[bleak sky]

it doesn't help

but you do you

[limber lion]

is that it doesn't matter

[bleak sky]

those are literally personal preference

[limber lion]

everyone's binds are different

[dawn ivy]

stuff like tricks, i have a bar with random utility that i shove all into

[limber lion]

and everyone has their own setups

Just use whatever works for you fam

[shy marten]

yeah but seeing how other people can help me find the right binds for the right spells i guess

[limber lion]

I assume you have 567890+´ on your mouse Parsley

or are you saying you're pressing cloak with your left index

[dawn ivy]

yee 1-12 and i use ctrl/shift/alt

[limber lion]

oh ye

so it's a full mouse setup

coolio

[dawn ivy]

yeah and then i have small stuff like target focus on R, stealth on C

[limber lion]

yeh

A good mouse definitely helps

[shy marten]

@bleak sky where does focus kidney and focus cheapshot go

[limber lion]

focus cheapshot

[bleak sky]

[shy marten]

do you not need that?

[bleak sky]

I don't have those

[shy marten]

aha

[limber lion]

you do not.

[bleak sky]

I have exactly zero focus macros

[gusty mirage]

explains a lot

[shy marten]

sounds sus but ok

[bleak sky]

io check?

[gusty mirage]

2642

[bleak sky]

fucking PLEB

[gusty mirage]

at least I can type

[bleak sky]

it's my second language ok

[gusty mirage]

it's also my 2nd language

[bleak sky]

fuck

I was about to pull a xenophobic card

[gusty mirage]

I didn't speak english until I was 4

[red plaza]

[bleak sky]

see I learned at 5 so I'm in clear disadvantage

[limber lion]

you started early

[gusty mirage]

wish I didn't have to

[bleak sky]

and when I was 5 you were 30 already

[gusty mirage]

would've rather learned a cool language

but my parents decided to immigrate here

[gusty mirage]

I was 42, get it right

[shy marten]

is there a mouseoever macro for step for current target, allies and enemies on mouseover?

all my macros are either ally or enemy not both

[limber lion]

I honestly consider English a very cool language

Much better than Finnish

[dawn ivy]

yeah there is

[limber lion]

Actually useful internationally

[bleak sky]

well English is useful

yeah

[limber lion]

Across the globe

[red plaza]

You can mousevover in default UI now

[bleak sky]

Finnish is sus

[red plaza]

I believe

[dawn ivy]

#showtooltip Shadowstep
/cast [@mouseover] Shadowstep
/cast Shadowstep

[gusty mirage]

/cast [@mouseover, help, nodead] Shadowstep```

[dawn ivy]

oh yeah default ui i havent looked at that yet

[shy marten]

yea but that one is scuffed i dont like it i tried

[gusty mirage]

or /use [@mouseover, exists] spell

much less janky

[shy marten]

what's the difference between use and cast

[limber lion]

I don't use a single mouseover macro

on any ability

[dawn ivy]

step is the only one i use

[bleak sky]

step and sbs

[limber lion]

I used a step macro at one point

[dawn ivy]

nah not even sbs for me

[limber lion]

but it failed me too many times

so I just tossed it

would just randomly step on the boss instead of ally

[dawn ivy]

yeah im still kinda hesitant to use the mouseover capability of it

[limber lion]

because the boss has such a big hitbox

[dawn ivy]

yeah exactly

[gusty mirage]

I deleted mine after I tried stepping someone on Xav and the stupid fucking lantern got in the way

😦

[shy marten]

well i just have every single spell besides rotational stuff on all my characters on mouseover

[limber lion]

yeh mouseover fails too often

[dawn ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/pika-blinking-pikachu-blinking-guy-blink-gif-15521840

[limber lion]

can't have that

[shy marten]

kick heals grip etc etc

[red plaza]

😬

[limber lion]

that's fine

if it works for you

then all the power to ya

[dawn ivy]

its crazy how every time i hear anyones kkeybinds it sounds cursed

[gusty mirage]

@dawn ivy nice new name sir 👀

[shy marten]

aight thanks for the help it has been very insightful

[dawn ivy]

WAIT WOAH

WOAH WOIAH

ayo PUT IT BACK

[bleak sky]

mod abuse

[limber lion]

no :)

[frigid kestrel]

That’s happened way to many times on mythic Zoth prog to me

I kept my SS macro and just adjusted added a shift function for Allies. So now whenever I want to step to an ally I just shift mouse click, and when I want to SS to a enemy i just mouse click

Havnt had an issue since

[fleet imp]

Guys do you know if this procs even if you dont kill the add?

necro Sin on add bosses seems solid, it also soft Simp the raid since it will most of the time stacked

[frigid kestrel]

For anyone interested

#showtooltip Shadowstep
/cast [mod:shift,@mouseover,help,nodead][mod:shift,help,nodead][nomod,@mouseover,harm,nodead][nomod,harm,nodead]Shadowstep;

[slow marsh]

Don't think we'll use emeni, Kevin more op for add fights imo and heirmer better for lighter cleave

[fleet imp]

Kevin should be better for hard swap isnt it?

[slow marsh]

Kevin is also easy to stack really high on adds after deathspike whereas LBE requires sbs every 5 secs since it doesn't stack

[fleet imp]

can you have multiple Kevins?

at the same time

[marble hemlock]

no

[slow marsh]

No but the duration stacks on itself

Lbe overrides itself

[marble hemlock]

the way it works is that you get a buff that maintains kevin. kevin just attacks whatever you have in your target, and after hitting it once, applies the debuff with the dmg amp for 30seconds. so you can switch targets and have the debuff active on multiple targets. debuff on the target disappears either after 30sec of kevin hitting it the last time, or when you lose the buff that allows kevin to be there

[slow marsh]

So on add fights where you're dumping 5x sbs and getting resets you can easily get 1.5min Kevin for example

[rotund oak]

that presupposes u r using deathspike

[fleet imp]

this wont happen

[slow marsh]

Yes it will

[fleet imp]

does the SIM count LbE stacks?

[bleak sky]

"Lbe overrides itself"

[fleet imp]

I mean does the SIM count being in a raid and getting the buff

[slow marsh]

Lbe doesn't stack

Is the point

[limber lion]

No, the sim does not count the value your team gets from you using LBE.

Because sims don't work like that

[bleak sky]

sims are for yourself and not simp benefit

[limber lion]

It depends on what other specs you have in the party, what their cooldowns are like, how well they play, what point in the encounter you're at

and so on

[fleet imp]

i assume it only counts your value than

[limber lion]

That's correct.

[fleet imp]

that was my question, sorry for bad explanation 🙂

basically Kevin is better when you swap damage to other adds that last for a bit

you get more value there

[limber lion]

It is not possible in any way to currently sim how much benefit your raid gets from you playing LBE from a single sim. You can individually go through it in advanced sims by making profilesets for the other 4 specs in the party and then applying LBE buffs to the profiles according to your sbs usage

Yes, Kevin is generally a better choice.

[slow marsh]

Kevin is also better for adds that die quick tho

[fleet imp]

yes I know, I was wondering about my self only

[slow marsh]

Easy stacks

[rotund oak]

imagine tracking lead by example

is that possible through logs?

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[rotund oak]

hmmm

[fleet imp]

Emeni sim (without team benefits) its just that, while on the other hand Kevin is abusable since you can stack it thanks to adds

so the SIM from Marileth is lower than the actual potential damage output on boss with adds

[rotund oak]

kevin is obv better, but its interesting how LBE would work with deathspike

[slow marsh]

If LBE stacked on itself then yeah it'd be nice

[rotund oak]

yeh

[fleet imp]

on paper my sim is Emeni > Marileth

but on add I can abuse Kevin more

[slow marsh]

Did you sim heirmer

[fleet imp]

yes lowest of the 3

probably due to Crit being useless

[slow marsh]

Did you sim with gemstones or 3 pot

[rotund oak]

hmmmm

[slow marsh]

Crit is very much so not useless

[rotund oak]

lowest

is kinda idk

[slow marsh]

Seems sus

[bleak sky]

so

[rotund oak]

ye

[bleak sky]

can you link your sims

[slow marsh]

^

[fleet imp]

sure

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xma2iWSxgkPg4aMru4FXv9

only gems and ench should be changed

to haste ones

[slow marsh]

Oh vigor

[rotund oak]

eh vers gems?

[fleet imp]

actually I will do a proper one gonna change gems and ench

[bleak sky]

I'm rerunningg

[slow marsh]

Same

[fleet imp]

not vigor?

[slow marsh]

Probs not but we'll see to be sure

[bleak sky]

sim running slow af

[slow marsh]

Lots of sims for raid prep I think

Been like this all week

[fleet imp]

Had 10 q beore

now giga slow

[rotund oak]

replacements with haste gems and enchants should do the trick

[bleak sky]

I forgot to click replace enchants

[slow marsh]

I mean emeni Sims decently on ST because pustules is nice damage but heirmer should still beat it I think

[rotund oak]

even crit gems could sim higher than vers gems tbh

😄

anyway lets wait for those sims

[slow marsh]

Gems won't make as big a difference on sin tbh

I can full gem and enchant vers and it's not even 80dps I think iirc

[fleet imp]

I think Kevins sims is wrong

it says 20 seconds

while ingame its only 10 seconds

[echo geyser]

nah its just cause different classes

have diff amount of kevin

like mage is 3min cd on their ability

[slow marsh]

Rogue Kevin is 10s but we have charges so

[fleet imp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cHkK7wJVN2RAgcEVHz67JG

@slow marsh @rotund oak

[rotund oak]

422dps more

or nvm its the default

[slow marsh]

Yeah it's +173 but yeah that's better

It gets even bigger with more adds

[rotund oak]

anyway

should sim emeni as well

[fleet imp]

yea emeni is pepega

[rotund oak]

to see the dps variation

[fleet imp]

it was in the sim

[rotund oak]

on the soulbinds

[fleet imp]

but doesnt show cuz lower i guess

[rotund oak]

lul

😄

[slow marsh]

Enemi is close / can win in ST but it's barely by +40 for me

[rotund oak]

yy

same for me

somewher around 55 or somehting

[slow marsh]

Lbe can likely be improved with apl changes but it's still jumping through so many hoops for a slight gain on st and most likely loses on cleave still

[dull path]

heya peoples, best rotation guide just wowhead or anyone got a good vid. was searching for it, didnt find much besides 9.1, 5month old ones

[slow marsh]

Using flesh for dps on prog is kinda to me

[slow marsh]

Wowhead is updated

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[fleet imp]

seems like Kevin gaming than

[slow marsh]

All 3 are updated and good

[fleet imp]

thx for the check 😄

[slow marsh]

Np

I'm actually interested in seeing if zold will get played

Again

[fleet imp]

1 quick pop of fleshcraft also extend kevin's right?

[slow marsh]

No

[fleet imp]

but cringe if soak mechanics

[slow marsh]

Flesh gives stats

[dull path]

gotcha, cheers

[fleet imp]

what with?

[slow marsh]

Marileth 1st conduit

[rotund oak]

mastery

[slow marsh]

It's mastery default but can be other stuff too depending

[rotund oak]

basicly it depends

[slow marsh]

But mostly gonna be mastery

[rotund oak]

yeh

[fleet imp]

the one you use on dead body?

[slow marsh]

Yeah it gives mastery if there's no bodies around tho

As default

[rotund oak]

if u hover over the soulbind trait

u will understand 😛

[fleet imp]

bold of you to assume I understood it after reading it

good good to know

120 mastery

for 2 min

not bad

[rotund oak]

for some reason im laughing like an idiot

[bleak sky]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/poxQX6SdV9e985MtHn2UqT

[rotund oak]

compared to theotar umbrella

its much less

plus we get to flag

for maximum pump

[slow marsh]

True but it's always on vs standing in umbrella

[fleet imp]

seems to be lower than what I simmed

[rotund oak]

truueee

[fleet imp]

20ish

[bleak sky]

margin of error

doesn't matter

[rotund oak]

uve gone less by 10

execution at dawn

[fleet imp]

since its so close to Marileth

[rotund oak]

[fleet imp]

Marileth should win on non pure ST

[slow marsh]

And tbh there's 0 reason to play NL on ST during prog

The two st fights are on the same wing too

[rotund oak]

generally marileth wins coz sbs ''funnels on non pure st

venthyr for maximum pump,TV ur target ezmode

[fleet imp]

NL seems more handy for progress

on early bosses

[rotund oak]

seliathan would love u

like literal love on 1st sight

[fleet imp]

there is sooo much movement on the bosses

might be arguably close to Venthyr

[slow marsh]

Eh it just comes down to if there are adds or not

[fleet imp]

I guess in 2/3 days we will know more 😄

[slow marsh]

Adds? Necro. No adds? Venth or NF after tier

[fleet imp]

yea I like this

[rotund oak]

cringe fae all the way

TO windows + dusk

[fleet imp]

from the first 8 bosses where would you potentially play necro for similar or better performance?

[rotund oak]

prototypes

and 1st one

[slow marsh]

Everything other than skolex and halondrus

If you never go down on anduin I guess but I'll still play Necro I think

[normal mist]

"If you never go down on anduin"

[slow marsh]

[fleet imp]

I guess I dont be THAT guy anymore hoping for a mate to be trapped on Xymox to get free cp

[small nymph]

Do we know if this procs of poisons/bleeds?

[slow marsh]

Poisons and bleeds are a damaging ability so I would say yes just based off the text

[still ledge]

Okay if I want to do both PvP and PvE do I want doomblade or Duskwalker?

[limber lion]

Depends on with what gear

With tier set you def want Duskwalkers for both probably

But currently Doomblade unless you play Venthyr

[rotund oak]

both and dont hear Cev,he's an undercover outlaw

[dawn ivy]

i THINK that trinket was based off apm, not damaging sources, but that can easily be wrong

[still ledge]

So duskwalker?

[rotund oak]

if u wanna play NF in both pve and pvp yes

[still ledge]

I hate boreghast and do not want to do it more than I need

Yeah I play NF

[unique dew]

so i been seeing mixed reviews. for assassin raid, is venth the go to conv now?

[rotund oak]

then dusk 100%

u will use it for both pve and pvp

[still ledge]

Aight, going duskwalking then

[dawn ivy]

youll be venthyr at the start of the raid

then youll transition to NF as you get either tier or double leggo, i forget which one triggers NF being better, i'd GUESS 2p tier

[unique dew]

@dawn ivy thanks. that is maybe why i saw both

[limber lion]

4p and double lego

4p makes Necro better, double lego edges it out to NF because Deathspike is a dead legendary for Necro

[unique dew]

so with 4p, u want to go back to necro?

[limber lion]

Yes

Or well

"back to"

idk about that

[dawn ivy]

ah yeah forgot about the akward necro tech

[limber lion]

but yes, Necro looks good with 4p

[unique dew]

what about keys? which one will probably be top for assassin?

[limber lion]

There ain't no awkward necro tech

it just got a lot better because SBS was made to work with the 4p Vendetta

[dawn ivy]

well theres the small window where necro is BiS right

[unique dew]

i normally get 2400 on my healer, but im not playing healer this season. sticking to just my rogue to do pvp/keys/raid

[limber lion]

Necrolord probably

Really depends on what you want to do honestly

We won't know for certain until we get to play around with the tier set and double legos for a bit honestly

They fixed some bugs with Deathspike, but it's still a bit awkward to play with

[unique dew]

true. thanks for the heads up. ill stay venth for raid/keys until the 2p/4p comes out

[raven wyvern]

I have a question about envenom. do I want to just press it to keep the buff up? I feel like im pressing it too quick because i feel really energy starved 90% of the time unless i pool for shiv

[limber lion]

Honestly that doesn't matter too much. You can pool a bit before hitting Envenom, but that's about it

We normally pool at max-1 CP and until around max-30 energy before hitting Envenom

but pooling is very minimal nowadays, so it doesn't really matter

Usually pressing Envenom asap is better for most because it guarantees that you get as many Envenoms/Mutilates in your important windows as you can

I for one have tried pooling a bit during Vendetta/Shiv windows, so I wouldn't overlap Envenom

only to lose out on an entire Envenom cast because I was greedy

You can try to pool outside of Shiv/Vendetta windows, but always during Shiv/Vend, just slam that shit as much as you can.

[cerulean nest]

we talking shiv slam??

[grim topaz]

thoughts on well placed steel vs lethal poisons?

[gusty mirage]

wps > lp

[grim topaz]

yeah thought so, been running that all tier aswell

[gusty mirage]

ideally we play triple potency - cov condi, wps, & lp

[grim topaz]

Next tier we get 1 more pot slot, so that'll be Sepsis -> WPS -> LP I suppose

[gusty mirage]

I mean I've had 3 since like September 😛

[grim topaz]

I feel kinda mehh about the shiv window sometimes, I always try to make sure my dots are filled before I slam it, but might just have to send it and let bleeds run out for a sec or 2

not like my dps is bad anyways, pulling 11.8k no externals on guardian

[dull path]

thoughts on Crimson tempest vs Poison bomb for m+? or do i just sim it?

[marble hemlock]

CT

always

anything that isnt pure ST, you play CT

[dull path]

gotcha

(maybe a dumb question) how does rogue sim dgs? patchwork multiple targets or dungeon slice?

[vestal wren]

dungeon slice is in general a good estimate

[bleak sky]

might want to read the guide as well for sin

[dull path]

been working on that 🙂 just dont like CT ;p

[spare crow]

Hello! Um.. dunno if this is the right channel to ask for this. I wanted to start farming the old legion artifact transmog, particularly interested in some of the assa ones. Is there a way to check at what point of the whole questline I'm stuck at and what I've got to do next? Thank you in advance!

[balmy condor]

There’s a #transmog channel that probably knows better

[spare crow]

thank you!

[glass tulip]

I did that last month, just search through wowhead for the questlines

Some of the rep was not fun to get

[dull path]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[mystic osprey]

What’s the single Lego recommendation until NF when we get the four piece tier?

I see obidience as Ventyr but dashing seems to sim better…

[bleak sky]

As you saw in the pins, obedience is the single leggo recommendation.

But as always,

[blazing lake]

how strong is assa weaker than sub? Considering the realities of boss fights and not 100% uptime on targets

[limber lion]

Yes, weaker than sub

[slender berry]

it might maybe see use for its damage profile with double legendary and 4p

but 100% depends on the bosses

[glass tulip]

or on 2-3 target cleave fights

like pantheon, dreadlords, etc

[vestal wren]

sub/sin are also fairly close with good gear

but early on it seems like sub will win out

[slender berry]

im feeling the zoldyck double sylv dagger for jailer insane difficult execute phase

[spice spire]

[slender berry]

wondering if that could be a thing or sub has as good or better execute bcus better dagger value

[vestal wren]

double sylvanas is better in 25% execute

people already have a plan to switch to it during the fight

(yes, subtlety always comes up with stupid stuff like this)