assassination

[cerulean nest]

so garrote from stealth, vanish and 2nd garrote a little early, 3rd garrote at 7 secs, 4th garrote at 1s

[limber lion]

yeh

[cerulean nest]

perf

[limber lion]

Just needs a bit playing around with

[glass tulip]

oh yeah I forgot they'll be fast bois

[cerulean nest]

and then let that last one basically run out before refreshing

[limber lion]

Exactly

[glass tulip]

so how long does it actually last with the set?

[limber lion]

That's the only one you actually let entirely bleed out

[cerulean nest]

cool

[gusty mirage]

what do you mean

[limber lion]

9s without pandemic taken into account

[cerulean nest]

but none of this will really matter as much until 4set right?

[tight ginkgo]

Only Mario / Sonic. That's the law. Knuckles can only watch.

[cerulean nest]

are we still running subt before then

[spice spire]

Homie?

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

You good?

[gusty mirage]

no real point tbh

[glass tulip]

where is penis-kun

[tight ginkgo]

[spice spire]

What in Tarnation is happening

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/shotgun-shoot-fire-gun-yosemite-sam-gif-5980355

[wide ridge]

Legendary Choices with 1 Legendary:
Venthyr: Obedience

im assuming this is with the mfd build right

[gusty mirage]

yuppers

[spice spire]

Iirc yeah but lemme check rq

Nvm oxi a goat

[gusty mirage]

if you're venthyr you're pretty much sandwiched into mfd until 4pc

[lavish hazel]

mfd sims higher on venth ?

[spice spire]

Yes

Has been for a while, since like.
September? October?

[limber lion]

Honestly since its introduction in 9.0.5

[cerulean nest]

so literally same build we have now

until 4p

[limber lion]

but someone forgot to implement it

[spice spire]

I’ve learned to just listen to Cev on raid topics.
You’re what, 4/4 this expansion on improvements?

Including ambush before snd

[limber lion]

10 months ago

There's always gains to be found!

[spice spire]

During 9.0.5 wtf

I agree, but the success rate is pretty nutty ngl

[carmine token]

I run Vigor instead of mfd because it's less buttons to press. What's my damage loss gonna be in keys lol

[surreal vale]

Where should i craft the new lego for Assa ?

[spice spire]

I still remember “fuck I’ve been hitting this dummy for 5 hours on PTR”

[limber lion]

Well tbf, I've also tried hundreds of different things that ended up being neutral or a loss

but we don't talk about those

[limber lion]

Vigor is good in keys, no worries buddy

[spice spire]

Key loss isn’t major tbh

[alpine latch]

Vigor is the play. IDC what anyone says

[spice spire]

I responded to the wrong thing

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

I meant to laugh at Cev

[carmine token]

Ahh okay cool

[limber lion]

yes, i'm the laughing stock

[carmine token]

Outlaw is like my 'i wanna press buttons' spec, sin is just comfy dot mgmt

[spice spire]

I was laughing at not talking about the neutral stuff

[limber lion]

Yeh I honestly like all 3 specs

They have their pros and cons

But Assa reigns supreme for me

[gusty mirage]

I laugh at how devishly handsome you are yet you're still unaware of it

[alpine latch]

If being the laughing stock made me better at this game, I'd gladly take your spot.

People hate me anyway

[limber lion]

bro I slept for 2 hours last night and ate like shit and drank piss, my skin hasn't been this bad in months

[gusty mirage]

You're one of the few regulars that haven't found themselves blocked by me for any amount of time

[gusty mirage]

and you still look the way you do

[alpine latch]

Hey, you also said I was cool!

I feel like a winner!

[limber lion]

I guess looking like a baby has its benefits down the line

[clever kindle]

technically you can also use subterfuge now for what is pretty much a wash in dps, very close in the sims Ive done anyways Your mileage may vary

[limber lion]

but I'd rather look like a hunk like Mr. Lawyer here

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

I'm not exactly doing well on the Tinder game

[spice spire]

Think a prerequisite to CF is you have to be devilishly handsome

[alpine latch]

Just come out as fat. I did it and I've never been happier.

[limber lion]

unlike this qt here

man's flexing multiple hotties

[alpine latch]

That's actually a lie. I'm not happy, I just eat my feelings. I have a lot of weight to lose

[gusty mirage]

yeah unfortunately my tinder settings don't allow me to put my settings that far away

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

Damn

[gusty mirage]

You are a cool dude, I stand by that statement

[spice spire]

Also I can say by some miracle, I’ve never had to use tinder

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

I used to be the opposite, used to be the skinniest boy in town.

But not happy either

So we got that in common

[gusty mirage]

I wasn't happy at my skinniest nor at my biggest

moral of the story is love yourself because you're fucking awesome

and don't let anyone tell you otherwise

[spice spire]

Wow, wholesome and real advice

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I usually charge $300 an hour for my real advice

[spice spire]

Man I hate lawyers. At least you’re not a disability lawyer

[alpine latch]

I grew up boxing and playing football, but I was always super depressed even as a little kid. When I stopped being active, the weight just never slowed down.

[gusty mirage]

these student loans aint paying themselves buddy

[normal mist]

quit

profit

[spice spire]

That was just a caveat tbh

[alpine latch]

The last time I weighed under 300lbs is probably like 7th grade

[spice spire]

People should be paid for what they enjoy

[spice spire]

You got it papi.
Iirc you lost a lot of weight during the pandemic at one point? Yeah?

[alpine latch]

I did. I'm around 375 now

I've mostly been hovering here for the last few months

[spice spire]

Plateauing is natural king

You’ll get there, dw. Just gotta keep grinding

[alpine latch]

Well, this is actually good. My mental health hasn't been great over the last year or so

So the fact that I've controlled it this well is actually a huge positive

About 6 months ago I started only getting 3-4 hours of sleep a night

I either can't fall asleep, or I do and then I wake up at like 3am and I can't fall back asleep

I'm excited for warmer weather so I can get out of the house again

[tight ginkgo]

Legit, it sounds diminutive but walks in the sunshine are BIS

[alpine latch]

Oh, 100%.

It's been nice out the last few nights when I got home, so I walked a bit

But then last night we got a half inch of ice

It was 65 on Wednesday 😦

[tight ginkgo]

ya, ive been in the boston area for the past 6 years or so. and I decided after this past snow storm that Im going elsewhere haha.

[spice spire]

It was 70 last night 20 this AM

goat stuff

[spice spire]

Where to mister muse

[tight ginkgo]

TBD :)

Somewhere less expensive which is pretty easy to achieve

[spice spire]

Don’t come here

It’s so expensive these days, don’t think quite Boston level but still

[tight ginkgo]

[alpine latch]

Yeah, in St. Louis we get more ice than snow most years

It sucks hard

I either need to go somewhere warmer or colder

[spice spire]

Squeakers squad reunion tho?

I went to St. Louis right before the pandemic actually. Nice town… until it’s not then it’s REALLY not

[tight ginkgo]

Same! For a conference. It was a lot of fun to walk around.

[alpine latch]

Yeah, it's coolish

All depends where you go in STL really

There's some great places and some awful places

STL is still pretty segregated, honestly

[spice spire]

[alpine latch]

It's getting better ... But it has a long way to go

[wary ice]

this is probably a dumb question

but would it make sense to throw dagger at the end of vendetta windows similar to garrote and rupture refreshes in 9.2 w/ 4pc

[gusty mirage]

wow congrats you just described every city in the midwest

[spice spire]

Oh that’s right the Midwest is just that

Mid

[limber lion]

throw... dagger?

[balmy condor]

nah if it were mid, there would be good parts

[spice spire]

Palmer

He’s a good bean

[wary ice]

I saw the Deadly poison fix

and it got me thinking to the time the legion rotation was literally throw dagger

[balmy condor]

you realize the legion rotation throw dagger was because of a bug

[wary ice]

yeah

[balmy condor]

okay

[limber lion]

Yeah, we don't do dagger throwing or fok generation in single anymore

very bad idea

[wary ice]

like i said

[limber lion]

:P

[wary ice]

Just wasnt sure if anyone thought of it 🤷

[timid cloud]

Don’t forget the fan of knives build too.

[limber lion]

What's the deadly poison fix by the way?

[timid cloud]

Horrible times.

[wary ice]

4pc works on it

[limber lion]

Ah that one

right

[wary ice]

so the theory (however flawed) was that it'd be a gain to get a garunteed DP proc at the end of the vendetta window

and throw dagger is garunteed application

[timid cloud]

Any Hidden Blade enjoyers?

[wary ice]

or poisoned dagger or whtaever it was

[limber lion]

Yeh, dp gets reapplied constantly due to mutilate/melee

[wary ice]

Yeah

[limber lion]

and it's much more efficient to reapply gar/rup

[timid cloud]

[limber lion]

but yeh, I see the logic there

[wary ice]

It wasnt unfounded it was just probably stupid

[limber lion]

:P

tbf most gains/losses come from wild ideas and feelcrafting

can't find new gains if you never try out new stuff

gotta keep an open mind

[wary ice]

MY favorite meme build is still the 8.3 double ungent caress build

[limber lion]

I liked the crit build of 8.3

it was pretty dank

[wary ice]

most corruption builds were silly enough to be memorable

if only that system wasnt horrible 😦

[limber lion]

some more than others

and some positive, some negative

tentacles and stars

straight to the bin

[wary ice]

I've always maintained that im very happy corruption happened but i would never want it to return

[gusty mirage]

someone should relay this message to nochill

esp the 2nd part

[limber lion]

The only place where I used FoK to generate cp in single target was on Sylv p3 when jumping platforms

And on Sire intermission

[wary ice]

honestly thats brain

[limber lion]

fok bad

all my homies hate fok

[wary ice]

coming off 9.1.5 buff tornado

Fok is ass

i hate pressing it

[hexed frost]

How are my fellow garrote appreciators doing this fine weekend?

[brazen zodiac]

hi guys!

[brazen zodiac]

i like FoK :c

[alpine latch]

It feels so bad having 48% crit, having a gigapull in m+ and getting 2 CP

When you pull 20 slimes in PF and you FoK and get 2-3 CP

Like wtf...

[cerulean nest]

do we know which trinkets are looking saucy yet?

[grim tangle]

phial

[limber lion]

No, trinkets are still bugged and a lot of them are seeing nerfs

[dawn ivy]

do we even KNOW what some of them do?

like the 30 second rune trinket or the 3 minute weapon cache?

[cerulean nest]

saw soleah's just got nerfed

[alpine latch]

I just really, really hope that we don't want the Legion ring/trinket

Doing that grind in a week sounds miserable

[cerulean nest]

yup lol

[alpine latch]

Do we know how many weeks it'll take for us to craft a set item?

I saw a lot about how the system worked, but no actual numbers

[limber lion]

anywhere from 1 week to 6 probably

but more than likely you'll see a full set in 1-3 weeks

Depending of course how much you stack up your great vault each week

and whether or not you clear normal/heroic raid every week

[glass tulip]

You mean when the creation catalyst?

It opens on week 8 if that's what you meant

[limber lion]

oh how long to craft it

oh

right

yeh

uh

[swift mauve]

are we going kyrian or night fae in next path?

[glass tulip]

[limber lion]

Kyrian??

[swift mauve]

i don't like them too

[limber lion]

Don't worry

Kyrian is awful for us

always has been, always will be

[spice spire]

Even if it weren’t, I’ve paid whispyr off

[sonic spire]

This is an @balmy condor appreciation post, that is all

[alpine latch]

Oh, I meant more of a "How many weeks to craft a Mythic tier piece"

Because really, that's all we're going to actually do is create Mythic pieces

[limber lion]

No clue.

[glass tulip]

Yeah 8 weeks.

[alpine latch]

Hopefully it's not 8 weeks per item

That would suck

[glass tulip]

Nope just for the 1st one

Then there are like charges or something, probably weekly

I'll find the article

https://www.wowhead.com/news/creation-catalyst-preview-location-how-it-works-tier-conversion-costs-325856

Blue post said:

Catalyst charges will start relatively rare (1/week) then accelerate in acquisition rate as the patch moves towards the future. These values will gradually accelerate over time, to the point where eventually you will be earning a charge every other day.

[uneven hamlet]

that will be so good for alts, it has to have a catch, blizz won't let us so happy

[glass tulip]

And these charges are universal for alts even if they aren't active, so you can log onto an alt in week 12 and craft 4 pieces immediately

[limber lion]

Yeah, you just need the compatible piece

You can't just poof it out of thin air

[glass tulip]

Right, throw a chest in, get a tier chest

[limber lion]

If you want a 272 tier chest, you need a 272 chest

yeh

so if you want a mythic tier piece, you still need a mythic chest

[alpine latch]

It's fantastic for me, since we're not a HoF guild.

I'll still be raiding in July

While most of you guys are chilling waiting for the next expansion

I'm just hoping we get 6/11M this tier

[glass tulip]

You got this bro

Big goals

[alpine latch]

We've gotten to 3/10 without ever having a full roster 3 tiers in a row

With a full roster we could potentially see a nice push

[spice spire]

Mood

[glass tulip]

One week we can get 12 rogues to come dps your raid

Push you for an extra boss

[alpine latch]

yes please

[glass tulip]

Imagine 14 rogue on guardian in SOD🤣

Well actually 12 so we can toss a monk and a dh in there

[alpine latch]

haha

Shit, what was the 2nd boss in Hellfire Citadel?

Where you basically just hyper-stacked mage/rogue

the big robot dude, damn I can't think ofit's name now

[upbeat needle]

what about me dad

[stable isle]

iron reaver

its beautiful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV3dBSHBbVo

[alpine latch]

Yeah, that's it!

[oak sky]

Seli coping in the questions both the guests are gonna say outlaw

[oblique wasp]

Hi guys, can I please double check that Vigor is preferable for M+ while Stratagem is better for Single target / raid please?

[hollow river]

For Sanctum raid we run mfd if Venthyr

We also typically run MFD in m+

Unless you’re an off brand covenant maybe

We only use Deeper in pure ST like Guardian. With Blindside too

[oblique wasp]

ok thanks, and with respect to changes in 9.2? I admit I switched to Stratagem because it will likely be used in 9.2 and I tried to get the feel or rotation with it ...

[echo geyser]

rly?

[grim tangle]

no

[balmy condor]

stratagem in 9.2 with double tier, mfd until then

[hollow river]

I’ve definitely heard you can run mfd in m+ for resets

Ig it makes triple gar fugly but meh

[grim tangle]

you can definitely run anything on that row in M+, most people run vigor though

[echo geyser]

smoother less effort less apm

[oblique wasp]

that's what I wanted to doubel check with you .. I tried MfD before nad Strataagem in dungeon setup and it was horrible

I cant help but Viger helps me to really hurl all dots and stuff ... then it gets ok

*Vigor

[echo geyser]

helps u setup dots faster to have good energy flow for sure

im a big vigor user

[hollow river]

[oblique wasp]

I must admit I don't like MfD very much

[hollow river]

Haven’t seen a ram sin stream almost ever stop holding out on us

[echo geyser]

wdym i did one key that one time

[hollow river]

Mfd is awesome

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

[echo geyser]

i used vigor

[hollow river]

For PF

[echo geyser]

[hollow river]

Should’ve used mfd

Smh

[echo geyser]

[oblique wasp]

and use use first one to SnD am I right? because I am afraid that with MfD I will have same problem with setting up pull .. like it will be slow and I will get nervous

[alpine latch]

I’ve never seen anyone run MfD in keys, ngl

[hollow river]

Oh what the hell

[hollow river]

No

[spice spire]

Mfd is common

The extra energy is the strong part of vigor

I’m a key vigor enjoyer tho

[hollow river]

Mfd in raid you use it for more Flag stacks

[visual prairie]

m+ logging can be sporadic, but the overwhelming majority of logged keys are vigor

at any significant difficulty

not even close

[hollow river]

Not many people log keys

[alpine latch]

According to Subcreation it’s used less than 2% of the time

[hollow river]

Yeah go check raid logs

Majority play vigor in raid too

Which is just wrong

[alpine latch]

I definitely used Vigor in raid.

[visual prairie]

i mfd in raid, but vigor in keys

[spice spire]

Vigor heirmir in raid

[oblique wasp]

so I tried everything you said here - thank you very very much guys, and I think my problem was the stratagem in dungeon and that one more mutil .. I just tried MfD, it will stepping out of comfy zone but I will give it a try

[hollow river]

If you like vigor for dungeons just play vigor tbh I’m sure it’s fine

Mfd is just usually better for raid. Besides Guardian boss, you run Blindside+Deeper Strat because it’s pure ST

[oblique wasp]

if you say it is ok I will do that - and one more question as I am Venthyr - with Vigor, I am usually able to stack Flagellation to 25-29 stacks depending on how I get Seal Fates ... is that bad more less bad or how is it please?

[hollow river]

That’s fine

With mfd you will get higher stacks more consistently though

[oblique wasp]

oki

[hollow river]

You just use mfd with Flag always. And you can use mfd by itself in between Flags but try to make sure you have it up for Flag

I think you can hold mfd ~15 seconds for Flag iirc

[oblique wasp]

oki

[brave moth]

Can someone explain why sepsis/NF will be best with 4 piece? I havent looked into nf consuits maby im missing something. Cuz I know the ability itself gets 30sec cd removed if it doesnt last its full duration. Does that have something to do with it?

Conduits*

[gusty mirage]

Because the 2pc buffs sepsis damage

And the conduit adds a bunch of damage as well

[brave moth]

So the cooldown will stay 1 min 50

[echo geyser]

1.5min

not 1min 50sec

[brave moth]

And with dusk leggo vendetta should also be near 1.5min cd so u can always use them together.

[echo geyser]

no clue what type of syncing we'll do, nor what cd of vendetta will be

i was watching whispyr some week ago

[gusty mirage]

iirc around 50s

50-55

[echo geyser]

nf gaming

ptr ofc

[gusty mirage]

yeah AR/Sblades helps with that

[subtle tundra]

balls!

[echo geyser]

u gotta get rid of that pfp

[subtle tundra]

he has dick case

like phone case

[gusty mirage]

[brave moth]

Necro vs NF on 3 or more targets, according to dslice necro is better.

[echo geyser]

did someone tell u nf was good rn? @brave moth

point me to him

[hollow river]

[brave moth]

No no im talkinh about once 2 leggos are available and 4set piece

[echo geyser]

i see

[hollow river]

most likely necro

or venthyr

[versed mica]

With deathspike fixed p sure necro will be the way to go for sin m+

[hollow river]

not necessarily

[versed mica]

Venthyr for Theater

[hollow river]

only if you're focusing overall dam i guess

it will be fun

but 1 minute vendetta+1 minute flag

provides a lot of prio and decent aoe

[spice spire]

This info is literally in the spreadsheet tho

[brave moth]

Is there a thread that tells us deathspike has been fixed?

[hollow river]

for d slice?

[echo geyser]

tc research only afaik

[spice spire]

Yes

Scuffed screenshot but it’s in there baby

[hollow river]

yeah i saw it

i mean i stand by what i said

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s fine, you’ll lack some prio damage and squeak out a bit more in overall.

Point is 3 viable covenants

That’s some good balancing

[hollow river]

yeah but venthyr might be sick for helping compete with sub for prio dam

[versed mica]

I just wish necro would be good in ST for raid

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Necro honestly the more I think about it, is more viable next tier than this tier

[hollow river]

you think so?

[spice spire]

And whispyr said it but he’s right, there are fights where it does excel

[hollow river]

for m+ or raid you mean, or both?

[spice spire]

Both.
So like

[hollow river]

cuz isn't it even more % behind in ST

ik some fights it will be fine

[spice spire]

I think it’s about equal, but more fights are suited to its strength

[hollow river]

nf just gonna be better boss dam

[spice spire]

I gained like 800 dps in sims swapping to venthyr from Necro

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Went from like 10.9>11.7

[hollow river]

how are you at 11.7

[spice spire]

Nope, 11.4 I lied

[hollow river]

i was like

i'm at like 11.8 with dual mythic daggers

[spice spire]

Do you have faulty?

[hollow river]

no 😢

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s the diff

[brave moth]

But you just said necro seems more viable the more you think about it.

[hollow river]

i didn't bother with it

[spice spire]

It is

[hollow river]

we had the damage to kill sylv

[spice spire]

More viable than this tier

It’s still not going to be better than NF or Venthyr unless some GIGA discovery happens

But it won’t be int

And the same is true for NF running keys

Won’t be better than NL in raw damage, and won’t be as midrange as venthyr, but it’ll be more than fine

[brave moth]

Cuz it benefits from all set pieces as venthyr ability dont.

[glass tulip]

I have 12.2 with 1 daggie, what are you wearing

[spice spire]

This is also not assuming RWF where every dps matters extremely hard

[spice spire]

Idk - having a 1 minute flag and vendetta lineup is EXTREMELY POTENT

It does gain quite a bit of benefit

[spice spire]

Missing faulty

[hollow river]

no gem sockets

no legion gear

[spice spire]

Wait that too

[hollow river]

yep

fuck that shit

[spice spire]

Holy shit mister notrickz

You’re inting the key buddy

[hollow river]

nah bud

i blast

[spice spire]

I rift farmed the weekend before the wowhead article

So 2 hours from 4-6

Was free

[glass tulip]

Rift farming lul

I got all my shit maxed right before that got discovered

[hollow river]

don't care about farming anything i don't find fun

[spice spire]

I’m in a hyper casual guild I definitely didn’t do that

[hollow river]

not going to do it

i'll quit before i do

[spice spire]

Can’t blame

If you’re not having fun then why play?

It’s why I didn’t grind korthia

[hollow river]

yep

i'm really debating not raiding 9.2

because cba renown grind

[spice spire]

30 minutes a day tho

[glass tulip]

You have 5 weeks, don't need to grind :(

[spice spire]

I assume you mean rep grind

Yeah if you do dailies you get there

And there are only 3 iirc

[hollow river]

i would need kyrian

[spice spire]

Oh

[hollow river]

like a week from now

[spice spire]

The renown grind

[glass tulip]

Yuck, kyrian

[hollow river]

and guild wants us to have maxed conduits

which i won't have

[glass tulip]

Thankfully I turned off my brain when I farmer all of that stuff

[spice spire]

Have you done Kyrian campaign on an Alts?

[hollow river]

i have every campaign done on my rogue

[spice spire]

Oh

[hollow river]

i did nf last night

[spice spire]

R9 torghast and just stealth

[hollow river]

i did kyrian when i played outlaw in 9.0

[spice spire]

Is what I do when I’m down bad

[hollow river]

did venth and necro for 9.0.5 sin

[brave moth]

Only got necro, yolo

[hollow river]

idk in my position idk if i could play necro

with no sockets etc i'd be more down bad than i should be lmao

[brave moth]

Il level up NF cuz ive played it b4 and its more fun than venthyr

[spice spire]

Necro really starts losing at double leggo. Until then you’re kinda chuckling. It’s not bis still

But it’s 2% ahead of venthyr per the sheet on 4p1L

[upbeat needle]

So if we have 262 obedience leggo no point to buy another leggo for next tier right ?

since unity on belt ?

[spice spire]

NF just squeaks bu it tho

Unity can go wherever

But you don’t have to make one rn no

[upbeat needle]

so wait until double leggo to make duskwalkers essentially ?

when we swap to nF

with 4pc

[hollow river]

naw

wait until 4pc for dusk

wait until double leggo to go NF

[upbeat needle]

so if we have double leggo but no 4pc what do you run w NF?

DB?

[hollow river]

that might be in the simulation spreadsheet sir

not sure tho

[upbeat needle]

bet lemme hit the pins

[hollow river]

could always sim yourself in those situations too

[upbeat needle]

das true shit

sub and sin still close in raid or is their a big outlier

?

[hollow river]

no tier/double leggo is venthyr

dashing/obe

[spice spire]

It’s DB

[hollow river]

the sim numbers are pretty far apart if you have double mythic daggers

[upbeat needle]

man hopefully I get my shit next week outta vault

[spice spire]

Are max level sims out for sub?

[upbeat needle]

if not then i'ma cry

[hollow river]

nothing official

that i've seen no

[hollow river]

???

it says dashing/obe on top row o.O idk

[hollow river]

yeah the sim shows dashing as well

[spice spire]

It says NF - Doomblade

[quick salmon]

Does Heroic Edge of Night sim more than max ilvl dagger?

[spice spire]

Obed/dashing is just the baseline, which is why venthyr is 0.0%

[hollow river]

only for sub, in offhand

[echo geyser]

[brave moth]

Mercy no 252 dagger sims higher than 246 edge

[hollow river]

what

[upbeat needle]

i'm confused

[spice spire]

Here

He asked which one legendary for NF was I thought

[hollow river]

ohhh, misunderstanding then

[upbeat needle]

oh no lol

[hollow river]

he asked double leggo, no tier

[slow marsh]

Why are we bothering with double leggo no tier

Like what

[spice spire]

I read this

[slow marsh]

You're telling me you don't expect to at least have 2p 5 weeks into the patch?

[hollow river]

even whispyr bothered with it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brave moth]

Doesnt alot of the bosses in the next raid have cleave fights?

[spice spire]

There are some

[slow marsh]

Most*

[upbeat needle]

idk Ice man I'm pretty unlucky gamer

[slow marsh]

[hollow river]

we don't know the fights that actually matter yet

last 3 i think 1 is for sure cleave

[echo geyser]

tier pieces from weekly vault was very low drop% right?

[slow marsh]

We know anduin matters

[echo geyser]

but wasnt there also some system that u can craft them too?

or similar

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[hollow river]

i don't think it does tbh

[slow marsh]

How do you figure

[hollow river]

i figure it will be more like the painsmith for next tier

the "stop-gap" boss

[slow marsh]

Exactly so he matters

[hollow river]

don't think it's going to be that difficult though tbh

[slow marsh]

He's going to be roughly as difficult as any other tier's end boss

Is the popular thought

[hollow river]

big doubt

[slow marsh]

Did you play it on ptr by chance

[hollow river]

plus it's a sub fight through and through as far as i could tell

if you're truly minmaxing

[slow marsh]

I mean regardless he's going to matter to most guilds

I would argue that the end wing bosses (lithium and halondrus) + anduin matter most to most guilds

[hollow river]

sure i guess you could like at it like that

[trim zinc]

hey guys i know its like toooo late to and nobody cares about this tier anymore but we killed painsmith and wer going to do some tries on the guardian (on mythic) and do u guys know how to do the soaks with the cloak, and if yes can u guys help me pls ❤️
(sorry for bad english, isnt my first language)

[hollow river]

most guilds also won't get CE so

[slow marsh]

Ofc

[limber lion]

You wait for the tank to get the first hit then you enter the yellow circle with cloak both times, then leave again.

So one hit tank, 2 yellow hits with cloak, then 1 hit tank again

[trim zinc]

poeple said that ill proc cheat death cuz cloack doesnt last for the 2 obliterates, thats happen?

[limber lion]

No

You don't soak the last hit

The tank takes it alone

You only soak the yellow boys

Then move out

[red plaza]

You also press cloak with 1-2 seconds before the first obliterate lands so it lasts through both

[trim zinc]

ty so much guys, ill try it ❤️
tell what happend to u later

[devout remnant]

just watch boss"s castbar

to press in the end of first cast

[red plaza]

Also you’re able to do every other as well. So like 1st and 3rd or 2nd and 4th obliterate.

[trim zinc]

ya im the 1st and 3rd

[brave moth]

Lets say theres 3 targets and you cast bonespike twice on the midle target will the legendary effect cast bonespike on the target that doesnt have bonespike on it? Or will it just cast on the same two targets everytime.

Like prioritizing, the target that doesnt have the debuff

[oak sky]

phial ded

[frosty cedar]

fuk

[odd heath]

15% nerf not stonks

[brave moth]

Phial on average was 3.3% of my total dmg

[slow marsh]

kind of a good nerf imo

[brazen zodiac]

fk

[brave moth]

Will it still be bis?

[glass tulip]

phial ded pls

[brazen zodiac]

no plz

[glass tulip]

no farm just raid trunks pls

[brazen zodiac]

plaguefall p rad

[oak sky]

phial is for sure dead

hopefully theres a nice passive raid trinket

[slow marsh]

I wouldn't say it's dead so much as it's not definitively bis

[glass tulip]

If it's not definitely best then you can shove it up my f****** ass

Also f*** you Google for censoring me

[brave moth]

When did they nerf it? Just now?

[slow marsh]

yeah

and they nerfed our other bis trinket yesterday

Soleah

[fathom flax]

Nerf phial, nerf secret technique

Fucking hell man

This expac sucks for trinkets

[hollow river]

didn't whispyr say it wasn't bis

since we don't have raid trinkets yet

[slow marsh]

probably idk i been gone

[hollow river]

i mean if they nerfed it by 50% maybe it was lmao

[brazen zodiac]

i literally just got my 252 for cope

zzzz

[hollow river]

yeah nothing in the sims is bis to be real

[slow marsh]

they nerfed secret technique trinket by 10% i think

[hollow river]

only the tier pieces are 100% bis and leggo selection

[fathom flax]

Why don’t they follow up and buff the raid trinkets

[brazen zodiac]

sup trickz, blades

[hollow river]

hihi vita

[slow marsh]

but all in all i'd rather the trinkets be closer in line with each other so I don't have to trinket chase from vault every week

[hollow river]

exactly

[glass tulip]

The wowhead article says that they nerfed the 233 version by 10%, which at 272 is like a 50% nerf or something

[fathom flax]

I honestly disagree

[oak sky]

they nerfed soleah's scaling

[slow marsh]

like i just want to get whatever trinket from GV early and call it good for awhile

oh yeah that's what it was

so even worse

[fathom flax]

I’m happy with happy 1-3 super strong trinkets

Something to chase

[hollow river]

yeah imagine if all trinkets were balanced

[fathom flax]

Kinda boring

[hollow river]

nah

[brazen zodiac]

meh

[slow marsh]

I mean it's fine if raid trinkets are super strong to chase

[brazen zodiac]

its kinda boring trinket chasing

[hollow river]

diff sspec profiles

[strange python]

Phial nerf???????

[hollow river]

will still favor others

[fathom flax]

Atm they’re not tho right?

[slow marsh]

but it feels bad when dungeon trinket is bis and you can't get one to drop in vault all patch

[hollow river]

soleahs not phial

[strange python]

Check wowhead

Just now

Phial 15% need

Nerf

[brazen zodiac]

more like 100% nerf cuz that shit is gone

[fathom flax]

Yeah @hollow river that’s true, but I think having 1/2 per really good st/ cleave/aoe trinkets is a good thing, makes your toon feel powerful right

[strange python]

Blizzard: no one's excited about the awful raid trinkets and plans to use m+ trinkets. What if we just made all the alternatives worse

[fathom flax]

Didn’t they learn from D3 that nerfing shit is bad and they should just buff everything else 😮

[strange python]

Fuck putting good trinkets in raid, just make everything else bad too.

[hollow river]

holy fuck

never saw that coming

but i also hate farming phial

😉

[slow marsh]

I mean tbh phial should've been nerfed last patch

or the patch before

[hollow river]

why

it did same dps as mythic amp didn't it

[gusty mirage]

the man hates free damage

[hollow river]

or a bit more

free

free damage

[strange python]

Iqd now big. Kek

[hollow river]

80 plagefalls

is free

[fresh heron]

now i cant hide behind broke trinkets.. back to bein a baddie again.. ya hate to see it.

[hollow river]

oxi

who hurt you my friend

[gusty mirage]

you guys did

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

I don't hate free damage wym

[gusty mirage]

why should phial get nerfed

[brazen zodiac]

sup oxi

[slow marsh]

It was cut and dry better than every other option by like 100 dps

[gusty mirage]

hi qt

[brazen zodiac]

there there oxi itll be ok

[slow marsh]

As a player idgaf cuz I got it from vault

[gusty mirage]

so?

[slow marsh]

but from unbias balance perspective

[gusty mirage]

isn't that just an issue that OTHER trinkets just suck?

[slow marsh]

it wasn't quite balanced

well yeah

depends on balance philosophy, i personally would rather see the bottom buffed up to the standard

[strange python]

If rather they made every other trinket not awful instead of bringing phial down.

[brave moth]

3.5% dmg isnt worth nerfing

[slow marsh]

and then nerf outliers if needed

[gusty mirage]

if 99% of the raid trinkets didn't suck donkey dick

you would've used it over phial

[slow marsh]

yeah

[fathom flax]

Man you’re dreaming of you think that 15 trinkets should all be the same

[gusty mirage]

so why nerf phial?

[fathom flax]

What’s the point then

[slow marsh]

I don't think they should be the same

[gusty mirage]

why not make a raid trinket that's actually good

[slow marsh]

I rather have trinkets that do unique things over boring passive trinkets that are +100 dps over every other option is all i'm saying.

[fathom flax]

Like I’m not trying to have a crack, I just don’t think nerfing phial was the right play here

[gusty mirage]

also:
https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/trinkets/1t-t27-assassination

[strange python]

Make them good then

[gusty mirage]

252 phial wasn't even 100 dps higher than the decanter off soulrender

[prisma carbon]

please dont make me play iqd

[fathom flax]

Cool things like bind to vendetta? Has

[slow marsh]

dang you guys really like phial lol

[brazen zodiac]

iqd is pretty cool

funny trinket

[fathom flax]

Just hate nerfs tbh

[slow marsh]

80 something close enough

[gusty mirage]

bro decanter sucks ass

[brave moth]

Phial doesnt even count as poison dmg for dashin scoundrel

[gusty mirage]

and the phial wasn't even 100 dps higher than it

[fathom flax]

Trinkets are just shit this expac

[gusty mirage]

maybe they make the divisible ooze good, or not make a max ilvl raid trinket and then nerf it like they did to the relic of the frozen wastes

[slow marsh]

yeah i agree with you that they need to not make trinkets suck

[prisma carbon]

phial is boring, but the next best thing is worse imo

[nimble tartan]

i was a fusion amp and tormented rack gamer

im just different

[brazen zodiac]

i mean im pretty sure they just did it cuz they were tired of phial being the bis no?

[slow marsh]

damn i come back from vacay and oxi already in my ass

[fathom flax]

Love some rack

[slow marsh]

ily qt

[gusty mirage]

tormented rack was actually dec for sub

they should nerf phial even though 252 amp was almost 100 dps higher than phial for sub

[timid cloud]

IQD is dogshit.

Change my mind.

[gusty mirage]

should they have nerfed salvaged fusion amp?

for certain specs it was 100 dps higher than other trinkets

[slow marsh]

idk. fusion amp is a raid trinket so it falls in a different category imo

[gusty mirage]

how

?

[deft vault]

Could the 1 min on use from pvp be good since we use duskwalker now?

[gusty mirage]

why does where you get it from matter?

[slow marsh]

because you can only get max ilvl dungeon trinks from vault

[timid cloud]

Don’t tell me you’re a small brain player & next you’re gonna say nerf the daggers...

[gusty mirage]

and you can only get max ilvl raid trinkets from doing mythic raid? what about little tommy who'll never see higher than 3/10M?

[slow marsh]

well then sucks to suck little tommy git gud

[gusty mirage]

what you're arguing for is making max ilvl dungeon loot accessible outside of just the GV

and then sure

I agree

make it so an achieve lets you upgrade to max ilvl

[slow marsh]

well i'm not really arguing anything tbh

[gusty mirage]

but requesting phial be nerfed is silly

[slow marsh]

i never requested it to be nerfed though

i simply said i'm surprised it didn't get nerfed earlier

[gusty mirage]

because you're looking at it from the scope of one spec or one class

[dawn ivy]

in theory, sure. but checking sims for trinkets, the pvp trinkets are pretty harshly behind all the rest already

so chances are slim

but who knows

[deft vault]

I mean yeah but having a big stat boost for every vendetta vould make iy better idk

[slow marsh]

No I'm looking at it from the perspective that it's been bis for most all melee dps for 2 raids going on 3 and it's annoying because I want play something new

[dawn ivy]

yeah thats what im saying in theory yeah it synergizes better than it did this tier, but it has a LOT of ground to make up you know?

[hollow river]

phial has been bis for all agi users hasnt it

[gusty mirage]

then play something new

[hollow river]

all expansion

[slow marsh]

At the end of the day I could care less, I was just saying that i'm not surprised it got nerfed and that by putting it more in line with the other trinkets we might actually have some diversity and/or better raid trinkets

[hollow river]

monk, dh, rogue

[gusty mirage]

100 dps isn't going to make or break your group's ability to kill a boss

there's plenty of viable alternatives

[slow marsh]

Just play night fae in SoD then

[gusty mirage]

do it

[slow marsh]

no

[gusty mirage]

by the time most of us got to sylv, the difference between venthyr or night fae was irrelevant in getting the boss dead

[hollow river]

you guys aren't already playing NF?!?!

[dawn ivy]

super off topic, but how sad is it that we got a cool looking trinket from KT and its so bad 7 ilvl above everything else still has it behind multiple trinkets

[gusty mirage]

cuz they nerfed it

[slow marsh]

that's pretty on topic

[dawn ivy]

its behind decanter for gods sake

[hollow river]

LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

all they did was force us to farm the longest dungeon in the game

instead of plaguefall

lmfao

at least dos will be a change in pace but fuck

[fresh heron]

you're telling me i gotta farm DOS 78 times to not get THAT trinket instead.

[gusty mirage]

correct

[hollow river]

anything is possible

[gusty mirage]

farm all the trinkets

throw their names into a randomizer that picks 2 names

and roll with it

except flayedwing toxin

just delete it

[glass tulip]

At least I have 252 versions of IQD and decanter I can sit on for a while

[gusty mirage]

don't even vendor it

[fresh heron]

i mean i ended the season with a 252 phial and a 252 shadowgrasp, but how many times can i roll that kinda luck.

[slow marsh]

flayedwing is bis cuz it's a poison though

[fresh heron]

theres a reason i dont play outlaw.

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

they could buff flayedwing trinket

from nw

who knows

[fresh heron]

imagine.

[gusty mirage]

they should take whoever designed that trinket out back and beat them

[hollow river]

lmao

lololol

[slow marsh]

and then drop them off at oxi's for bdsm tickling

[gusty mirage]

it had all the potential in the world to be good

[slow marsh]

well maybe they'll buff it by 5000% tomorrow who knows

[gusty mirage]

look at the bright side

next reset? the beginning of the end of this shit expansion

[brave moth]

What will you be playing mostly in 9.2? For me im excited to see what 4 piece double lego necro zoldyck can achieve. Cuz fuck sub

[fresh heron]

heard that

[gusty mirage]

@slow marsh blizzard heard you

they nerfed phial

[hollow river]

This will forever go down as blades killing Phial like max killed death knight

[viscid spear]

You ready for DRAGON ISLES?

🐉

[gusty mirage]

no

I'm ready for work to take off and I'll be too busy for wow and ride off into the sunset

[strange python]

That's how this started! I mentioned the post

[brazen zodiac]

same

[gusty mirage]

and tell you all that I'll miss you (but I won't)

[brazen zodiac]

:o

[viscid spear]

Well idk if it's happening, I'm still wondering how Blizzard will avoid addressing the fact that Genn wants to literally skin Sylvanas alive.

[brazen zodiac]

hih

huh

[viscid spear]

Pretty hamfisted way of getting Tyrande to overlook the tree atrocity that Sylvanas committed

[gusty mirage]

easy, they retcon something to make them best friends

the lore is more beat up than my self esteem

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[gusty mirage]

its okay to accept that fact

[viscid spear]

I mean, she killed his son.
He blames her for calling the retreat on Broken Shore that led to Varian's sacrifice.
All the stuff she did in BfA and Shadowlands.
Hard to hand wave that away

[gusty mirage]

oh sweet child

[slow marsh]

Why do you think I brought it up in the first place you goober, I was trying to console myself about the nerf

[gusty mirage]

I'm still blaming you

[slow marsh]

ok

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

[viscid spear]

They had to leave his ass in Stormwind in place of Tyrande's quest for nothing because they didn't want to have to explain from the start that he would hunt her down

So like he, Turalyon, Alleria and so many others are just sitting in Stormwind waiting for 10.0

And then the whole Nathanos thing went nowhere despite him literally being Danuser's self-insert

/rant over

[slow marsh]

We love our lore rants don't we

[viscid spear]

I liked the lore

[indigo mulch]

So what trinkets would we go for now? D:

[hollow river]

🔮

[indigo mulch]

[hollow river]

Either raid trinkets or IQD

[slow marsh]

flayedwing and mistcaller ocarina

[hollow river]

No one knows

[hollow river]

You jest but like

[brazen zodiac]

you jest

lmfaooo

[hollow river]

That’s bis in my ❤️

[brazen zodiac]

classy trickz

[hollow river]

[woven ruin]

So when we get the 4 piece set, we will be using envenom less because more rup/gar, correct?

[hollow river]

During vendetta yes

[woven ruin]

Yes, good, get us closer to a bleed spec again

[brave moth]

Will haste-crit still be stat priority

[slow marsh]

yes

[timid cloud]

Well lads.

You know what time it is...

[slow marsh]

mastery ring time?

[timid cloud]

🔮

Which trinket will be good now oh crystal ball?!

[gusty mirage]

dn

[slow marsh]

.

[timid cloud]

[slow marsh]

Iqd for big mastery proc every other sepsis

[timid cloud]

NF Copium still?

I don’t want to do cubert doobert, that trinket is BIG cringe.

[slow marsh]

Ofc it is

[balmy condor]

“Less” is still relative btw, you lose like, 3-4 casts over a fight

I remember when tier was first simmed we were like “oh less envenoms” and then simmed it and it was the exact same amount of envenoms

[slow marsh]

Yeah fun

[brave moth]

Ye using envenom without doomblade alot of fun

[slow marsh]

I mean what else are we gonna do? Hit CT ?

[viscid spear]

Detect Traps

[brave moth]

Go invis for 50% more crit during sepsis

[balmy condor]

Holy that’s a spicy meme

[upbeat needle]

throw knife

[balmy condor]

Combining the ignorance of sepsis buff with the sit in stealth with MA

I gotta write that down

[slow marsh]

Just play ma leggo

Ez

And mastery vers for more damage

[cerulean nest]

lol

[wide ridge]

phial dmg nerfed by 15% on ptr

[spice spire]

[brave moth]

Does sepsis leggo, give you both those buff when it runs out or just one? Adrenaline rush and I forgot the other one.

[slow marsh]

both

[brave moth]

Nice

[viscid spear]

Adrenaline Blades or Shadow Rush?

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

We have to have a name for the buff we get from the Sepsis leggo

[echo geyser]

💀

last guy got purged

[viscid spear]

Amalgamation of the abilities if you will

[glass tulip]

This tweet is two days old bruh

[cerulean nest]

sorry im not that Online

weird omen though

you think its just them covering all the bases or are they actually interested in rogue for something specific

[balmy condor]

It was a dagger for jpc’s third rogue

[cerulean nest]

oh lol

[strange python]

Except for p3 pantheon when you never cast envenom again

[balmy condor]

That has nothing to do with tier

[strange python]

Would you not have still slammed down envenoms in vendetta+shiv window at least?

[balmy condor]

You still do that with tier

[amber fossil]

uhohh, phial nerf inc

oops, guess it's OFN already

[fathom flax]

Faulty countermeasures are go

[junior rampart]

Even after Nerf, it would still be relevant I guess.

[versed mica]

I'm guessing with how passive it is and how it can spread to other targets, it'll still be a good trinket, great even

[glass tulip]

Unless it comes out to be like top 3, I'll give it about 10 tries before it just aint worth it lol

[junior rampart]

Probably with item level scaling, it will still give better output. But meh! Yea only if it's top 3 it's worth farming.

[grizzled orbit]

How much Soul ash/Cinders should I be aiming to have for next patch to cover upgrades? Can anyone tell me the cost? Just need to know if 80k/20k is enough.

[hollow river]

that's more than enough

[paper nacelle]

Nah you need more. Atleast double that. /s

[brazen zodiac]

? you gotta quad it bro didnt you hear you gotta craft 6 lengedaries

[misty holly]

Have to be ready for legendaries to be fully uncapped in 9.2.5

I'm going to wear one in every slot. Screw the set bonus.

[spice spire]

Respect the grustle

[slow marsh]

@spice spire

did someone say grustle

[spice spire]

Every day he’s grustling

[echo geyser]

kevin

[slow marsh]

kevin

[echo geyser]

[slow marsh]

just had to get my necro rust off

[bleak sky]

necro

[brazen zodiac]

hi minal

i jsut rolled a sick seismic pair of gloves

sold them for 2 ex lol

[obtuse robin]

poe

[brazen zodiac]

hey black! how u been

u wanna play some league?

[echo geyser]

black

[obtuse robin]

hai 🙂

we can sure

[brazen zodiac]

kk lemme finish map rq

league client so trash cant open it with anything else open lmfao

[obtuse robin]

more like laptop is trash

[brazen zodiac]

oh yeah for sure that too

[atomic fable]

Anyone here runnning nightfae

[bleak sky]

not yet

[rotund oak]

NF after we unlock unity

its the 1st time im actually happy to play assa since exsang assa BFA

[glass tulip]

Unless you're iceblades

He may be NF already

[deft vault]

So in the opener we get 1 full rupture and then we refresh it. Do we re refresh that second rupture after like 6 second before vendetta finish ?

[hexed frost]

phial is still worth farming right?

[obtuse robin]

not sure till tuesday

[neon belfry]

Sorry i am probably missing it but is there an assassination rotation guide in the discord?

[bleak sky]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[neon belfry]

Oh OK thanks!

[slow forge]

Hey lads rerolling rogue for 9.2 any good streamers to study for raid?

[lucid birch]

I know one

[glass tulip]

Cap

Unless you mean Mr minalba

[balmy condor]

Actually just joined our guild for tues/thurs so he can go back to his guild fri/sat with all the strats and the laugh at us in raid on Monday when we don’t go as far as his fri/sat guild

[lucid birch]

[glass tulip]

5 raids

I can't even imagine

[balmy condor]

Two characters

Yeah

Dude is a lunatic

[glass tulip]

I don't even have time for a weekend guild right now

Wish I did though, want to learn some warlock and we don't do alt raids

[balmy condor]

Yeah I heard he has so much time cause Brazil is super mid

That’s what he told me

Dunno

I love that movie with the birds

Rio or whatever

Lovely country

[lucid birch]

They have the big Jesus right?

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s actually where he was buried I think

[lucid birch]

Epic

[glass tulip]

[bleak sky]

two
do you think I'm a casual you lil shit

[balmy condor]

Yes

[bleak sky]

[bleak sky]

yes the big jesus

[balmy condor]

Big jesus, big forest

Brazil 2022

[bleak sky]

that's like 94% correct

[balmy condor]

Oh and your president is a dickhead

That’s the other 6%

[lucid birch]

[balmy condor]

Bolsonaro more like bozo-snoro

[bleak sky]

[trail mica]

I think this statement could be used for 99% of the countries

[balmy condor]

Also true