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#assassination
gusty mirage
bleak sky
and obv varas/seli
gusty mirage
wind dune
the main issue is getting your aoe out before everything dies. its not the damage. ITS THE DAMAGE PROFILE of the spec.
gusty mirage
@bleak sky 
bleak sky
the main issue is getting your aoe out before everything dies. its not the damag...
if things are dying the key is not high enough
hollow river
wind dune
i shouldve been more clear about it
spice spire
the main issue is getting your aoe out before everything dies. its not the damag...
That’s probably the issue on lower keys, yeah.
wind dune
its not that the spec doesnt do damage it does, its just super fucking slow to get out
spice spire
I ran a 15 with minalba and some gent Alts from the server, minalba was tanking and out damaged me because shit insta died LMFAO
bleak sky
some specs have front loaded kits, some have back loaded kits
it happens
sin just happens to be the latter
spice spire
Ye
wind dune
and when m+ is all about doing burst aoe and lining cds up it just falls short IMO. I still play the spec in m+ and prefer it
bleak sky
same with aff lock, they don't start out doing 230k dps, they ramp to it
it's a non-issue
gusty mirage
I ran a 15 with minalba and some gent Alts from the server, minalba was tanking ...
excuses
bleak sky
it's fine that classes and specs have different damage profiles, not everyone has to be front loaded nor back loaded 
gusty mirage
hollow river
Just play MA legendary in your weekly no leavers
hollow river
¯_(ツ)_/¯
spice spire
Tank did 9k and close to half of that was Elysian decree. On jah
gusty mirage
he should've brought the warrior honestly
coulda used rally so I could dps more
smh
spice spire
I burst 35k in a pack and I’m like “damn this is what it feels like?”
gusty mirage
dumb dumbs standing in frontals
bleak sky
Tank did 9k and close to half of that was Elysian decree. On jah
can't wait to not play vdh next patch
hollow river
Rally for the mobs instead of the group 
gusty mirage
bro rally so I can dump my holy power into shield of the righteous instead of wog
bleak sky
I feel omega squishy on that disgraceful spec
gusty mirage
when these idiots stopped standing in frontals I was PUMPING
spice spire
can't wait to not play vdh next patch
Sorry buddy, you’re maiming vdh, I don’t make the rules
gusty mirage
ez 4k dps on my 220 hpal
spice spire
Probably not pressing defensives.
Hard to in between offensive CDs 
It was really 4DPS + oxi healing
bleak sky
fun times
gusty mirage
I'm a good healer stop bullying me
bleak sky
my favorite comp during spiteful/quaking is 5 meleee
spice spire
I didn’t say you weren’t?
bleak sky
such good combo
gusty mirage
yall mfers put me in more stressful situations than when I healed 3s in season 1
gusty mirage
I once healed 3s where I had the highest ilvl at 218 
you try healing a 178 lock & a 191 spriest
bleak sky
178
gusty mirage
against ret warrior
bleak sky
isnt that just a melee from a warrior away from death
spice spire
spice spire
Bro warriors in arena have to be busted
gusty mirage
"ok nvm"
bleak sky
gusty mirage
Bro warriors in arena have to be busted
they are
spice spire
I mortal strike and end someone’s life
spice spire
There
gusty mirage
spamming fan of knives
spice spire
Also yes
gusty mirage
feint's great
gusty mirage
can't bonespike though
clever kindle
dink some people for 1k damage
gusty mirage
bleak sky
how is 40% aoe DR for 6 sec on a 15sec cd legal
clever kindle
specially modified weapons that fire parts of your bones through them
bleak sky
if you tell me something is 40% dr I expect it do be a minute minimum
15 sec is insane
bleak sky
carmine dawn
Hey quick question, do I need a concealed carry to use pistol shot? What city offers this? Thanks in advance
bleak sky
gusty mirage
Hey quick question, do I need a concealed carry to use pistol shot? What city of...
no, cpl laws are not present in wow
bleak sky
I wonder what's going on
gusty mirage
you can continue to conceal carry
clever kindle
whats the wow equivalent zone to texas
carmine dawn
Lmao
clever kindle
the barrens maybe
carmine dawn
You’re gonna click the “see message anyway” 
bleak sky
You’re gonna click the “see message anyway” <a:coolhatwave:816023165364600842>
yeah I always click to see oxi's messages
carmine dawn
Oh lmao thought you blocked me my b
bleak sky
i asked him to sue blizzard for me, he said no and I blocked him
only scammers and oxi blocked 
gusty mirage
only scammers and oxi blocked <:prayge:803711491021733888>
he's just mad I scammed him into thinking I'm a good player
gusty mirage
<anvil gaming> might catch up to <back in march> so you gotta play your A game o...
"necro sin superiority ;>"
-some rogue who cried on stream when anvil passed his trial to me
bleak sky
carmine dawn
Lmao
gusty mirage
just 2800 io m+ brain I suppose
gusty mirage
akshually theyre not 3k
bleak sky
gusty mirage
where's my pirate rogue who wandered away from the zoo
hasn't been in here since eh?
bleak sky
Hasn't been on the discord at all
gusty mirage
limber lion
gusty mirage
<:monkerHermm:733782450068652102>
what on earth is this
limber lion
what on earth is this
glass tulip
oxi in anvil
bleak sky
glass tulip
pure moth
Lol
gusty mirage
glass tulip
gusty mirage
I think a requirement for anvil is crying on stream when you get accepted to a WR 1100 guild
bleak sky
mute him <anvil gaming> oxii
glass tulip
new demo lock main incoming
gusty mirage
moroes gave me arms warrior 😦
bleak sky
Roll survival with me mav
glass tulip
already rolled lock
bleak sky
Rip
glass tulip
wanna be useful 
glass tulip
not your raid 
glass tulip
sorry that was toxic
anvil gaming is a strong, progression oriented organization and I am excited to see the team bond and grow together throughout 9.2
gusty mirage
#1 pvp
tell me you don't pvp without saying those words
act as if MM hunters aren't camo 2 tapping people rn
bleak sky
9.2 everything is gonna change
gusty mirage
bleak sky
Spear everywhere
glass tulip
double tap your way to 2400 ezclap
unborn needle
Is there any data, using the current beta tuning, as to whether Assas or Sub will be the go to raid spec?
gusty mirage
both will be fine
as to which will be better, we have to wait until tuning is done
but there's preliminary sims in each of the channel's 9.2 threads
subtlety has a similar thread*
gusty mirage
grizzled jay
"necro sin superiority ;>"
Based rogue tbh
shy nest
how do you get the covenant macro to show the actuall cov spell?
glass tulip
Probably just #showtooltip
limber lion
Lol no
limber lion
how do you get the covenant macro to show the actuall cov spell?
Read the pin again, word for word
You have to name the macro and the X in the macro the same thing
glass tulip
Yeah idk I copy pasted it once and it just does it
strange python
how do you get the covenant macro to show the actuall cov spell?
Show the icon or the tooltip
drifting cloud
They’re definitely going 100 WR in 9.2 then
100 wr down where they are now?
hollow river
100 wr down where they are now?
What?
spice spire
I’m buying anvil stock dw
gusty mirage
whatchu mean
for one boss fight I was almost as good as Cev
that's gotta mean something
gusty mirage
arctic walrus
Hello anyone need to be told that pooling isn’t a huge gain and that you hold cds for vendetta and don’t cap nuts
Muts but you get the idea
gusty mirage
hello mr. @arctic walrus do you do coaching?
not for wow
I need charisma coaching
arctic walrus
Yes dm foreverguy he is my manager
arctic walrus
Because he is my manager
hollow river
Because he is my manager
Vel when you joining Anvil gaming?
drifting cloud
vel is already in anvil
hollow river
They’re on their way to the top
drifting cloud
on his smurf
hollow river
spice spire
Anvel gaming
spice spire
External overlord, sheeq
hollow river
Who is sheeq
spice spire
Truly a goat
hollow river
Pfft
spice spire
arctic walrus
I wake up in a cold sweat
The shadows in my room resemble his armory character image
The man haunts me day and night
How is he so good.
Why not me.
spice spire
Vel is also quite skilled
hollow river
He lacks critical information
?
spice spire
Quotation marks
hollow river
Vel’s?
grizzled jay
limber lion
You’re the true #1 assa rogue
hollow river
<:hmmCoffee:750285983744000042>
You were gone so long 
limber lion
It's okay, I started public logging 4 weeks ago
Too bad I don't have access to my mythic logs, they were much prettier than what I currently have.
carmine dawn
Method Cev era over?
hollow river
It's okay, I started public logging 4 weeks ago
I know I saw 
limber lion
Method Cev era over?
A long time ago :P
spice spire
Cev, you’re trialing still, yeah?
round harbor
limber lion
not a fair assessment for promotion :P
round harbor
Dies from cringe
round harbor
Rc 
limber lion
Rc <:7038_pretty_pepe_puke:805296035479289908>
I'm playing the League
limber lion
Going AFK at pure ess is the best way to farm fragment exp
get with the times old man
arctic walrus
Can’t believe you’d sully yourself in that way Vel
Okay but log check? Yeah that’s what I thought
fleet anchor
I mean ultimately isn't the issue basically that they are... the same?
Subterfuge is 80% Garrote, Nightstalker is 50% Rupture or whatever does more DPET than Rupture (e.g. nothing.) On the same cooldown. With the same conditions.
The funny part is even basic napkin math shows there's not much difference between them fundamentally.
- Rupture is 12.53% AP per tick over a max of 36.4 seconds = 456% AP total
- Garrote is 12% AP per tick over a max of 23.4 seconds = 280% AP total
(Same Haste/Mastery/Vers coefficients, so can ignore those)
280% * 0.8 = 224% bonus AP damage from Subterfuge
456% * 0.5 = 228% bonus AP damage from Nightstalker
But Subterfuge leads to higher 4pc Garrote durations during Vendetta, generates a small amount of CP, increases cleave potential, allows Ambush. There is really no way for it not to be better atm even in the most simplistic view.
marble hemlock
limber lion
I mean ultimately isn't the issue basically that they are... the same?
Subterfug...
Yeah, Nightstalker also pretty much demands the use of 5 combo point Rupture, so you have to use 5 CP compared to Subterfuge generating cp.
fleet anchor
I mean, we already know that. The point of the words was to explain why. 😛
limber lion
Nightstalker is pretty interesting tbh, but it's just meh
fleet anchor
There were some thought experiments in beta of like
limber lion
I would like for NS to be the superior choice in pure single target
Subterfuge is already the go-to in AoE/Cleave
fleet anchor
What if Sepsis benefitted the whole way from Nightstalker (like say the bonk also)
That might have made NS good potentially
But you'd need something with higher DPET than Rupture which is difficult
grizzled jay
What if Sepsis benefitted the whole way from Nightstalker (like say the bonk als...
Or SBS pog
fleet anchor
Rupture is what, around 20k damage or something
fleet anchor
Or SBS pog
I mean technically this still works and gives a minor boost to Nightstalker iirc if you can get it working, but not quite enough to make it better
It's still really iffy though getting it to work
I don't think they ever fixed it, but it's like hitbox dependent
@marble hemlock may have played around with it more recently, idk. I haven't tried it this tier at all
grizzled jay
I was more thinking the DoT getting the damage buff permanently lol
fleet anchor
It does snapshot Nightstalker if you are close enough to the target, it's just future casts overwrite it
grizzled jay
Ah.
fleet anchor
Which pretty much negates the benefit
If you never cast SBS again you'll lose almost as much damage as you gain
grizzled jay
Ye
fleet anchor
And it's unreliable since it depends on projectile travel time
But yes, I agree. If you could properly snapshot Nightstalker with SBS and not have it mess up, that could be a potential way for NS to see some play
grizzled jay
I like NS more than Subt personally due to the MS utility but ye Subt just gives more raw benefits even if it is about the same numerical numbers.
fleet anchor
Or if it buffed the whole duration of Flag, or whole duration of Sepsis, etc.
But NS is already scripted jank
And the time of snapshots is mostly over on the mechanics side
marble hemlock
its weird with NS
hollow river
Okay but log check? Yeah that’s what I thought
Wdym
marble hemlock
but nah, i didnt do anything with NS since we last played around with it for fun basically
iirc it was like being close enough means you get both the dot and initial improved
if youre too far away you dont
or the other way around
the former
you gotta be inside the hitbox, then both the initial dmg and the dot get buffed by nightstalker
and as long as oyu dont recast SBS on the target, itll stay that way
so potentially useful on cleave fights i suppose
frosty cedar
and then with necro legendary you use sbs on one of the cleave targets and it refreshes the other
limber lion
But you'd need something with higher DPET than Rupture which is difficult
Just buff Rupture >:(
hollow river
Okay but log check? Yeah that’s what I thought
Don’t be mad bro it was just a joke
fleet anchor
Just buff Rupture >:(
Yeah, this is not a bad idea tbh lol
arctic walrus
Nah I’m livid
hollow river
arctic hare
WHOOT 9.2 is on the 22nd!
hollow river
Lies
arctic hare
Fun times there
copper sundial
1 more sod clear pog
glass tulip
just get it then
cerulean nest
who wants to bring me on a CE reclear lol. we're taking a break and we were midway through p2
cobalt pelican
noob lol
glass tulip
sometimes it be like that
alpine latch
Oh, 100%
We re-progged to AotC 3 times this tier
I'm honestly kind of surprised we got 3
proven moth
So New patch got announced and I didn't get either heroic or mythic dagger 
strange python
does anyone remember from 9.1
if you do a max ilvl dungeon in the offseason
do you get old max ilvl or new season max ilvl
on launch date
azure bronze
does anyone remember from 9.1
if you do a max ilvl dungeon in the offseason
do y...
old max ilvl
strange python
so its basically not worth spamming , only do one higher to get a +15/+16 after the keystone gets scaled
alpine latch
so its basically not worth spamming , only do one higher to get a +15/+16 after ...
It's 100% worth spamming. You can get tier set from vault
You're honestly kind of dumb if you don't go into week 1 with a 10 vault
strange python
you can get tier set as 252 ?
alpine latch
Yup
strange python
fair enough
cerulean nest
can anyone who's woke about the week-by-week new patch game plan DM me? just wanting to jot down a little schedule for myself
glass tulip
week 1 they capped the vault at 236, which was +15 key ilvl drops
then on the same week mythic opened I think was when you could get 252 which was +15 vault ilvl
could be wrong but that was how I remember it
slow marsh
week 1 is just questing stuff and then week 2 is the first new vault yeah
strange python
but for real now u can get tier sets week 1 😄
glass tulip
if you get a drop off of Anduin and then a tier piece in the vault then yeah it is possible theoretically
woeful meteor
isnt it 3 bosses week 1 that give Tier so in theory 4 set is possible with insane loot luck and Vault
fleet anchor
Yeah until the raids open up there's no GV progress for the next season. They mention this indirectly in their post
MYTHIC+ OFF-SEASON
Mythic+ dungeons will still be playable using Season 2 affixes and rewards. Mythic+ Ratings can still be accumulated, and the seasonal achievements will still be available – except for the 0.1% “Tormented Hero” title and achievement.
There's the off-season limbo state
alpine latch
ugh
strange python
so no tier sets at 252
alpine latch
So there's literally no reason to play wow for 2 weeks?
woeful meteor
i thought the last tokens are gated to last 3
Jailer doesnt have only 9/10 so its 3 pieces week 1
vestal wren
There's the off-season limbo state
don't think that limbo state is to bad, gives you reasons to do other things.
strange python
in the offseason you just do a 18/19/20 depending on how many levels they scale the keystones so you get a +15/+16 on launch date
other than that
slow marsh
Jailer doesnt have only 9/10 so its 3 pieces week 1
yeah 3 week 1 of raid but you still have to wait for mythic week for a chance at 4p
fleet anchor
So there's literally no reason to play wow for 2 weeks?
Well the zone quests and new content
Just not much reason to do M+
But considering I haven't done M+ in like 3 months, this is no change for me 🤣
gusty mirage
But considering I haven't done M+ in like 3 months, this is no change for me 🤣
better get that 20 in for a 15 first week of m+
😛
true meaning of weekly 15 no leaver incoming in 2 weeks
I remember doing a 12 pf early in the expac
fleet anchor
better get that 20 in for a 15 first week of m+
yeah I guess that was the main benefit of doing it in the off-season for 9.1
fleet anchor
People busted out the 20s for the achievement before the scaling changes kicked in
fleet anchor
Which I'm not totally sure why they allowed tbh lol
gusty mirage
yeah that was odd
glass tulip
you werent 185 when the raid came out?
filthy casual
some <anvil gaming> player you are smh
alpine latch
Okay, so fuck ... I need to research Sin so I don't suck
One day I'll be good at this game
I swear guys
slow marsh
you and me both buddy
alpine latch
I look at my IO and I'm top 3 rogues on the server. My takeaway from that is my server doesn't have any good rogues
lol
hollow river
true meaning of weekly 15 no leaver incoming in 2 weeks
You ready to farm vault and PF all over again?
gusty mirage
You ready to farm vault and PF all over again?
let me make it through the first few weeks of the patch before uninstalling
and then we'll worry about vault of the wardens
dawn ivy
Okay, so fuck ... I need to research Sin so I don't suck
might wanna research sin AND sub
glass tulip
cant wait to farm legion TW again
gusty mirage
cant wait to farm legion TW again
hollow river
Yeah I’m just gonna quit the game now instead
alpine latch
might wanna research sin AND sub
Naw, I hate myself plenty. I'm good on playing Sub
I already cry myself to sleep most nights. If I swapped to Sub IDK if I'd make it
gusty mirage
Yeah I’m just gonna quit the game now instead
after how much time I spent in vault of the wardens....
quitting seems fine
glass tulip
better players > "better" spec
slow marsh
I mean legion TW 2nd week of mythic is kinda love/hate
glass tulip
I need legion to be up during spring break
dawn ivy
dont farm timewalking its not worth
glass tulip
so I can just grind it out
slow marsh
AA ring seems pretty worth
glass tulip
it was def worth this tier
dawn ivy
you have to farm 15s
yeah because we had infinite valor
and could spam 2s
you wont have infinite valor
glass tulip
gotta farm PF at the same level early on
slow marsh
I mena yeah it'll come down to resource management
glass tulip
10s or so
dawn ivy
thats easy though
slow marsh
also time too
dawn ivy
look at PF loot table
glass tulip
and 10 vault isnt? lol
slow marsh
vaults def seems sketch
dawn ivy
just by a numbers game, its not worth doing
cerulean nest
any massive gearing changes outside of tier for us? Phial still necessary etc.?
dawn ivy
any massive gearing changes outside of tier for us? Phial still necessary etc.?
legendary slots might move around
glass tulip
looks like same old stuff, all sims will be ran once everything is out
slow marsh
I doubt it'll end up being a 200 dps gain over raid trinks like 9.1.5
But it's kinda fun that we will have more choices imo
glass tulip
stg if it is someone needs to be fired
cerulean nest
which raid trinks are looking saucy?
dawn ivy
we still dont know
glass tulip
🤷 have not looked a singular time
dawn ivy
raid trinkets are still largely untested
slow marsh
There's a super oculus gland + cov stacking trinket that seems to be the favorite
cerulean nest
gotcha
slow marsh
it already got nerfed once though
glass tulip
wait til feb 24 after whispyr sims everything in existence lol
cerulean nest
cannot wait
cerulean nest
no i meant, i cant wait
dawn ivy
get ready for dissappointment
cerulean nest
like im excited lol
cerulean nest
how long does it take raidbots to be up to date on a patch launch
slow marsh
dang parsley being a real downer today
cerulean nest
for simming
dawn ivy
IM JUST BEIN HONEST
slow marsh
my sub is only simming + 400 for me right now without dom shards
I get what you mean like yeah sub is looking like the clear winner overall right now, especially early prog. but I still have hope
dawn ivy
idk what to call it but the....gear progression? of sin is just pretty rough
it onyl really comes together when you have everything and thats just rough
slow marsh
Well it just relies too heavily on BP in general yeah
dawn ivy
sub is good with no set, 2pc, 4pc, double leggo and it doesnt need to change leggos/builds/cov a single time
slow marsh
It didn't really pop off till i bugged whisp about dashing + frost and then they buffed frost the week after
whereas sub was just good the entire time
and only got better and better with optimizations
dawn ivy
yeah im still 
that sin will get a small nudge during heroic testing
slow marsh
Just a couple bug fixes would do the trick imo
dawn ivy
wish that poison application bug would get reverted/fixed
slow marsh
The fight layouts favor sin after 4p imo but it's just early prog that's gonna hurt
dawn ivy
cringe they just quit letting multiple abilities apply poison
i think lords of dread is the only boss where sin might outshine sub given good conditions
but thats only if the fight goes like it does in my head
i thiknk rygelon and jailer is pretty big for sub
but as always sin has the benefit of just being easier in new encounters so maybe it still sees play
slow marsh
I think it'll see play more because of 1min vend "burst" windows
dawn ivy
gotta go venthyr if thats the case, i think thats the better prog covenant
slow marsh
Ehhh with token yeah sure but sepsis cast and forget is big
dawn ivy
making our niche the 1 minute vendetta/flag would be pretty useful
yeah but sepsis wont link with vendetta often
if you want that 1 minute niche you gotta really lean into it
grim tangle
BUT SOULSHAPE
slow marsh
Yeah but venth's issue is still sync timers
slow marsh
you lose a vend over a 5min fight
dawn ivy
and while that sounds bad for a parse, for prog having 1 minute vendetta/flag is huge juice
holding is nothing anyone is surprised by
again yeah its not good for a parse
but if youre being brought for the 1min niche, which i agree is potentially viable, you gotta really lean into it
cerulean nest
so are we, as of now, going to have to do that weird vendetta snapshotting thing?
dawn ivy
YEAH
cerulean nest
i havent looked too closely into it bc I thought they were fixing it
slow marsh
Na if they fix it they'd have to buff something else
cerulean nest
whats the TLDR of it?
slow marsh
it'd put us too far behind the other two specs
dawn ivy
garrote and full rupture before vendetta drops
slow marsh
^
cerulean nest
regardless of pandemic window
dawn ivy
so your last few globals of vendetta NEED to be garrote and rupture
slow marsh
and don't overwrite those snapshotted bleeds
dawn ivy
yeah
glass tulip
so just a normal snapshot lol
slow marsh
They generally naturally pandemic at the end of vend so you don't usually have to hard overwrite a rupture but it does come up sometimes
cerulean nest
so those snapshotted bleeds, once they themselves are in pandemic, should be refreshed right? or you mean literally letting them run out
dawn ivy
basically
its just esanguinate
you reup the bleeds RIGHT as they drop
but try not letting both drop
cerulean nest
gotcha
slow marsh
Na you wouldn't pandemic the snapshotted bleeds, you'd want to wait them out until 1/2s
yeah
slow marsh
That's really what's juicing the dusk cdr is the snapshot
dawn ivy
i personally still end up letting one drop for a fraction of a second sometimes, but you still want to avoid that
cerulean nest
ty ty
dawn ivy
youll notice garrote and its pandemic window is very similar
so you can watch your vendetta duration
and pop garrote on 7 seconds
and then pop it at 1 second
and then you have a full juiced pandemic garrote
hollow river
That's really what's juicing the dusk cdr is the snapshot
Did someone say juicer??
slow marsh
🧃
cerulean nest
cool. tbh i havent touched ptr. is there an easy way to jump in with the full set/leggos and test it out
cerulean nest
in oribos?
dawn ivy
yeah
hollow river
You won’t have NF soul binds unless you’ve done that campaign before
Even on PTR afaik
dawn ivy
well you can buy 80 renown
cerulean nest
yeah i have it 80
man we were closing in on p3 prog before this announcement. stings to not get all the way there
hollow river
Then you’re set
hollow river
well you can buy 80 renown
Sure but that doesn’t get you the soul binds
Didn’t for me anyway
dawn ivy
i think my rogue might had started night fae a year ago
so that might have snuck its way into that
static sky
on the logs assassin is ranking really high for raid, but my sim is like 1400 under sub... is it just a scaling thing?
like i need a ton of haste
slow marsh
It's an external thing
hollow river
Nah 1400 difference? Something is wrong there
vestal wren
raid statistics are somewhat useless because they are more dependent on who can get the most externals
slow marsh
on the logs assassin is ranking really high for raid, but my sim is like 1400 un...
hard to say without seeing the sim
dawn ivy
like i need a ton of haste
this will almost never be the issue. quite literally
hollow river
Yeah WCL isn’t the best to look at for comparisons etc
But that sim sounds like it’s COOKED
vestal wren
did you use the frost set in your sim?
hexed frost
Is everyone ready for some night fae supremacy? 
static sky
i dont have any dom sockets
i just started playing again
runnin my sub sim again so i have them to compare
slow marsh
If you dont have dom sockets then yeah sub is gonna beat sin
dawn ivy
oh that is a bit of a problem i think?
sin leans on dom gems a wee bit more than sub LOL
trim raptor
Are we going NF for 9.2?
hollow river
After we get 4p yes
spice spire
Until then venthyr is bing chilling
hollow river
🥶🥶🥶
slow marsh
🍦
hidden bloom
what will be the legendarys bis to us?
trim raptor
Good to know, gotta start grinding that renown 😴
hollow river
what will be the legendarys bis to us?
After you get 4p, Duskwalkers and Toxic Onslaught
Before you get 4p, we just run Obedience
hidden bloom
before 4p venthyr, after NF, right?
limber lion
Ya
daring kraken
Are people happier about onslaught now or is reception still pretty meh?
grizzled jay
Necro forever.
hidden bloom
After you get 4p, Duskwalkers and Toxic Onslaught
duskwalkers on ring?
slow marsh
to start yes
limber lion
Toxic Onslaught ain't much
but I don't think Obedience is that exciting either
Deathspike is actually pretty sick if it were to work properly
grizzled jay
When can TTB be meta 
hollow river
duskwalkers on ring?
I’m not wasting gold crafting one until I have 4p
spice spire
Deathspike is actually pretty sick if it were to work properly
Based Cev
cerulean nest
everyone keeping OBE on cloak right?
weary marten
if it avoids paying for another slot, totally
cerulean nest
also any tips for the best boss guides/videos to study up on before release (inb4 ptr, not polished, etc.)
weary marten
But we'll have it on legendary belt
grizzled jay
also any tips for the best boss guides/videos to study up on before release (inb...
Watch Liquid lol
scenic kelp
are we start with venthyr and switch to fae with 2p or 4p?
weary marten
what ? where did you read we are going fae ? oO
limber lion
That's been the common consensus for a long time now lol.
scenic kelp
lol 😄
limber lion
are we start with venthyr and switch to fae with 2p or 4p?
Yes, probably with 4p. Sim yourself when you get 2p
copper sundial
I for one welcome our new fairy overlords
weary marten
damn i don't wanna play fae, only one i haven't level up
scenic kelp
what ? where did you read we are going fae ? oO
just look in the pins the sims
copper sundial
You have 2 weeks have at it
glass tulip
Then don't play it :)
copper sundial
Much more actually
limber lion
the difference is like less than 200 dps between Venthyr and Night Fae
with double legos and tier set
you'll be Venth until then
grizzled jay
I'm still gonna throw my boner at people 
gusty mirage
I'm still gonna throw my boner at people <:Sinscheme:540181921913896971>
You have my attention
grizzled jay
You too can throw boners with this one easy trick
hollow river
No tricks allowed
spice spire
timber meadow
is blood set fine for raid?
im doing a quick swap from sub and dont really have frost set setup
gusty mirage
<:rooWut:734234488661344318>
Jealousy is ugly on you
gusty mirage
is blood set fine for raid?
No not really, but if you’re swapping out of boredom it doesn’t really matter either way. You could sim the difference (make sure replace gems is selected”
timber meadow
okay ye ill just sim it thx
grizzled jay
No tricks allowed
hollow river
<:starege:923197272064426075>
spice spire
Jealousy is ugly on you
I’ll commit mental warfare like I do with Megan I s2g
gusty mirage
I’ll commit mental warfare like I do with Megan I s2g
rigid tartan
one thing's really gonna suck next tier: having to move out for mechanic on your 10 seconds window after the Sepsis dot. Hope that wont be relevant too often
fleet anchor
The set bonus mechanics snapshot haste when Rupture and Garrote are cast
So it really doesn't matter that much
As long as you're standing in Blossoms when you cast them
alpine latch
Jealousy is ugly on you
Naw he just ugly
tight ginkgo
quake is dapper wdym 
alpine latch
roflmao
alpine latch
quake is dapper wdym <:RHangry:876980580514926603>
I'm in my feelings today and taking it out on people slowly
Plus it's Quake and it's fun to give him shit
tight ginkgo
you got this, ez. LMK if you need podcast recommendations 
spice spire
Muse really out here trying to compliment others when he has the most glorious beard known to man
spice spire
clever kindle
spice spire
493 Haste, 1127 Crit
The ocular finally giving crit 
fleet anchor
My quick sim casts CT in ST with Dashing
That's actually correct with Frost Set
violet hemlock
ye thats what I thought
fleet anchor
Dashing rule is only without Frost
crimson_tempest,if=spell_targets=1&(!runeforge.dashing_scoundrel|rune_word.frost.enabled)
violet hemlock
makes sense since one ct giuves way more frot procs than one envenom...
alpine latch
It'll be interesting to see where we go for top spot, Sin or Sub
hollow river
That's actually correct with Frost Set
But it’s basically margin of error damage right?
oak sky
Think it was an apl change
Someone noticed it like a week ago
Whispyr was saying koji did it for a reason
Ig this is the reason
thorn fjord
It'll be interesting to see where we go for top spot, Sin or Sub
Hoping sin because i really dont want to play Sub for another tier lol
viscid spear
The ocular finally giving crit <:yejoice:591717432087806000>
Well it was already last week, but now it's far moreso
alpine latch
I haven't played Sub since like ... HFC?
oak sky
No one sent me the memo
Its even more minimal than it normally is tbh
hollow river
I’ve been envenom spamming ST
thorn fjord
I played Sin up to Painsmith... then swapped back to sub till Sylv and finished with Sin
gusty mirage
No one sent me the memo
sorry, you need to sub to the patreon for that kind of update
thorn fjord
But most of the prog was sub
nimble tartan
if u didnt touch sub this tier when it was goated u prob wont touch it at all
hollow river
sorry, you need to sub to the patreon for that kind of update
Is that even a real thing
gusty mirage
@nimble tartan I played some sub this tier just so we could be friends but you hate me 
fleet anchor
nimble tartan
i dont hate anyone dude!!
gusty mirage
i dont hate anyone dude!!
not bad for winging it eh
prolly a million things wrong in those logs
fleet anchor
Can't believe NoTrickz has been giving up 0.5% DPS when using CT on ST.. smh my head
gusty mirage
Can't believe NoTrickz has been giving up 0.5% DPS when using CT on ST.. smh my ...
there goes that 100 parse
smh
nimble tartan
pretty good lookin like skip sub
viscid spear
Hope his parses rip in piece
gusty mirage
I was thinking of trying outlaw, but then I remembered I'm not a warrior main
fleet anchor
I tried playing Outlaw a few weeks ago and the game punished my by trolling me with like 12% Broadside uptime
gusty mirage
I love 4 minute snd tho
its nice
gimmie that grand melee
dunno why people hate it
thorn fjord
Yeah which i appreciate
gusty mirage
yeah it feels like shit going to sub and having to manually refresh it
idk how those peasants live like that
oak sky
idk how those peasants live like that
Premed 4Head
hollow river
Can't believe NoTrickz has been giving up 0.5% DPS when using CT on ST.. smh my ...
Bro that’s enough to make my blues into purples
I’m trash
gusty mirage
Premed 4Head
the dogshit talent that breaks sometimes and maxes out at 45s or whatever?
gusty mirage
My only gray was sylv and I fixed it this week
alpine latch
My heroic logs are decent. Mythic average is 49.7 because I only have 1 remnant kill
thorn fjord
i gray parse every KT kill
gusty mirage
i gray parse every KT kill
bro fuck that boss
hollow river
Oh I fuck KT up
oak sky
the dogshit talent that breaks sometimes and maxes out at 45s or whatever?
Kt doesnt matter
hollow river
Purple chad on KT I think
oak sky
Oops
gusty mirage
I agree Agreon
oak sky
Didnt mean to @ oxi there
thorn fjord
Oh I fuck KT up
Do they let you stay up?
gusty mirage
you can @ me whenever you want bb
thorn fjord
Me neither.. i blow cd's on pull and just use Flag downstairs
hollow river
I don’t use flag downstairs
I don’t have time because boomkin annihilates our remnant
I’m just standing there afk
thorn fjord
We only have one boomie on Remnant.... Its me a boomie a WW monk and Arms War
hollow river
Our boomkins rotate ramps down there
thorn fjord
and we swap boomies p2
We still come up short sometimes 
and i literally always get the last two rings on Fatescribe
game doesnt want me to parse 😦
slow marsh
hEy GuYs DiD yOu SeE tHe PaTcH dAtE dRoPpEd
bleak sky
hEy GuYs DiD yOu SeE tHe PaTcH dAtE dRoPpEd
zomggggg!!!!!!
vestal wren
no ice, pls tell me more about it
thorn fjord
Last chance sin tier set buff?
slow marsh
We don't get set buff
bleak sky
Last chance sin tier set buff?
why would you buff it
slow marsh
Maybe a big fix buff
thorn fjord
why would you buff it
Because MORE POWER bro
slow marsh
Or slight talent buff
bleak sky
thorn fjord
🤣🤣
slow marsh
Tier isn't the problem it's the base spec power
We just need another 8% aura buff that's all
I'm actually kinda goated tho I planned a cruise that I'm leaving for today and will be back on the 19th. Meanwhile we have like 2 dps on vacation week 1 mythic
bleak sky
man I'd be happy with just changes to FoK
thorn fjord
Baseline 10% dmg increase will do... lets start writing letters to MS
thorn fjord
man I'd be happy with just changes to FoK
In all seriousness... This
bleak sky
make fok not suck as a generator and I'm smiling all day
slow marsh
I'm still on hopium that we'll get a slight nudge either this coming week or heroic week
But like very slight
thorn fjord
To overall dmg? Or to like bleeds/dots
slow marsh
Cuz as it stands we'll be fine, it's just sub is outright better in every area other than 2t
thorn fjord
make fok not suck as a generator and I'm smiling all day
Wonder why they don't want FoK working the same as SS
slow marsh
And outlaw is looking pretty nice for a burst option so we're kinda just left in good but not quite good enough tier in terms of rogue overall
So I'm hopeful they'll throw us a bone somehow at some point
slow marsh
Psh shiv isn't even a cd
fleet anchor
More of a CD than Vendetta
slow marsh
Well it's an uptime cd yeah but when I think of cd in the typical sense it's not really one anymore
subtle tundra
ok but when i use vendetta i put dots more!!!
slow marsh
It's big % with 2p but not like something that we can play around. Just press it more and hold for vend / sepsis
subtle tundra
p-pog!!!!
gusty mirage
hey did you guys know that we're getting tier tokens next patch?
slow marsh
Did you know that I'm glad there's only one warrior in my group
thorn fjord
Did you know that I'm glad there's only one warrior in my group
ive got 3 warriors and 2 Dh's
-_-
slow marsh
The dh bit doesn't matter. War monk rogue
slow marsh
I'm kinda surprised more groups aren't going brew
thorn fjord
Our BDK is swapping to Brew I think
bleak sky
brew prot pally/bdk tier again 
oak sky
why did you say outlaw looks like a good burst class
slow marsh
We have a bdk too but he'll always be bdk I think. Then our other tank is going prot pal
oak sky
are they swapping to a leggo that makes it good
bleak sky
speaking of tank damage
slow marsh
Bread blades is actually good even with obedience
slow marsh
It simmed higher than kyrian
bleak sky
someone's gotta stop dem monks
slow marsh
And is burst so it double wins
bleak sky
they can't just niuzao for 10k dps
oak sky
external logs btw
bleak sky
yeah fuck them run them to the ground
slow marsh
Brew monks are nasty and with ww not looking so hot it's danger zone for dps monks
slow marsh
Too bad nobody plays brew so ww will stick around anyways
hollow river
I think we’re running brew and mw
strange python
hey did you guys know that we're getting tier tokens next patch?
We run 1 warrior, 1 monk. Idk why the tokens are split they way they are.
hollow river
And prot pal
strange python
Gonna have 1810827291827 sham/priest tokens
slow marsh
Pretty sure everyone was prepping mw then they nerfed the shit out of venth and they bailed
strange python
I think blood DKs making a resurgence next patch.
slow marsh
Bdk was meta in sod wym
strange python
We're going to run 2 MWs for prog even post-nerf
Bdk was good in sod but not insane. Prot and brew were still stronk. Seems unavoidably OP in sepulcher
spice spire
That’s dope
Cope I mean
Wait there’s a glorious clip from my lock of him tanking a DoS
bleak sky
bdk/protpal/brew in keys 
strange python
Our tanks prepped pal, DK, brew, and dh
bleak sky
dh
strange python
Was lobbying for the guardian dream
slow marsh
I think for keys ww will 100% still be meta
oak sky
but didnt they bug fix the ww set
gusty mirage
We run 1 warrior, 1 monk. Idk why the tokens are split they way they are.
so me and you can just never get our tier sets
slow marsh
Mw is still good but the fotm mw died I think
strange python
so me and you can just never get our tier sets
18 kills into sylv and we've only seen 2 daggers between two rogues. So...I'm used to this depression.
slow marsh
So like good mw should still be played
spice spire
I tagged in other chat, it’s not me so I hope that’s kosher
strange python
MW still really strong imo. The nerf is being oversold
gusty mirage
MW still really strong imo. The nerf is being oversold
yeah no MW actually cares about it
its kind of like okay whatever
slow marsh
Like I said it killed off the fotm rollers
gusty mirage
it's still disgustingly strong
slow marsh
But mw gamers will still pump
strange python
I think we're rolling 2 mw, 2 sham, 1 disc
slow marsh
Our only mw plays holy pal so rip
oak sky
pally is still good anyway
strange python
I'm kinda shocked enh is going to go nerfless
But then I saw that forums+Reddit think enh is weak
strange python
Our enh thinks that the average enh player is so bad that they'll go under the radar
hollow river
Lmfao true
strange python
Curious if we'll run two rogues...
We have two rogues, two wars, two dh, dk, enh, ret
hollow river
We have 3 DH now
strange python
Ours might do the same
hollow river
I’m trying to roll warrior
hollow river
strange python
I low-key think I could 95% on warrior with no practice
oak sky
i bet 1 rogue is good
strange python
Class looks like a joke
oak sky
but warrior is definitely op lol
hollow river
I’m just getting tired of rogue man
strange python
I'm convinced that warrior is omegaeasy
hollow river
oak sky
arms can write an essay between spenders
strange python
I can't figure out what's involved in that spec other than save rage for colossus smash
oak sky
fury just slams their keyboard
strange python
Both our warriors are like 90%ers average and I don't know how
grizzled jay
Because 90% of Warrior mains think having abilities off the gcd is too hard
fleet anchor
Our other rogue is rolling boomkin
If you can't get the simp, become the simp 👌
strange python
Boomies going back NF, no?
hollow river
If you can't get the simp, become the simp 👌
KA is dead
strange python
After the nerf
hollow river
He’s playing Venthyr/NF
fleet anchor
I'll believe it when I see it
hollow river
KA for farm maybe
hollow river
We have four warlocks for next tier....
LOL
Everyone in my guild says warlock isn’t great next tier
“Falls behind with double leggos”
red plaza
Aren’t warlocks in a tough spot next tier
strange python
Our warlock sees people saying that and laughs
hollow river
Copium
strange python
Idk, our lock thinks lock is OP
hollow river
Aren’t warlocks in a tough spot next tier
Nah
strange python
I trust our lock.
hollow river
I don’t think it’s OP
oak sky
at least 1 lock spec is gonna be good for sure
hollow river
But it’s like
oak sky
(its destro)
hollow river
Rogue level easy
strange python
I think warlock TCs are just whiney. Like boomies.
hollow river
Yeah
fleet anchor
Warlock is definitely undersimming
There are at least a couple known bugs in the module they are trying to fix
oak sky
ive heard theres some scuffed shit in their sims
strange python
I'm willing to believe that's because the warlock TCs are always 80 years late to updating their apl.
They didn't even release aff apls until 2 weeks into nathria
fleet anchor
Their APL work is kinda improving over the last half a tier though since they have some more active folks now
So that's something at least
strange python
It was AWFUL in 9.0
I was brand new to the class and couldn't find any resources anywhere because of it
grizzled jay
They just let THD 6Head for them and do whatever he does
oak sky
thats actually true
fleet anchor
And besides, who cares. They always get raid spots anyway since every Mythic fight is designed around having 2-7 Warlock gates
oak sky
ive heard all the good warlocks go to thds discord instead of the warlock discord
hollow river
strange python
I've always been surprised+glad that a lot of the high-skill/high-ranked rogues are in this disc. Pretty abnormal for class discs
upbeat needle
Tbh I think we have the best class Discord.
grizzled jay
Druid is pretty nice as well
strange python
You're not a "sim it" Boomie discord enjoyer?
grizzled jay
Monk is too doomium
upbeat needle
DK discord was pretty good when I mained it in 9.1
strange python
Druid discord is my pick for absolute worst class disc that should be burned
hollow river
Druid discord is my pick for absolute worst class disc that should be burned
I think you mean dh
grizzled jay
I only used Feral/Guardian
hollow river
grizzled jay
Was chill
strange python
Dh is just weeby and dumb. Druid disc is dumb and arrogant about how dumb they are.
upbeat needle
Mage is pretty bad too
bleak sky
Dh is just weeby and dumb. Druid disc is dumb and arrogant about how dumb they a...
dh is yikes in general
strange python
I hear mage disc is better
hollow river
DH discord is where memes and souls go to die
strange python
Back in 8.3 mage disc didn't have spec channels, just one giant megachat
grizzled jay
At least Warlock Discord knows they are the hero class
grizzled jay
Boomies act like they've never been good ever in the history of this game
thorn fjord
Didnt they suck for alot of BFA?
strange python
Also when you say "lock is always good" they immediately go "BUT EMERALD NIGHTMARE"
Boomies were, at worst, middle of the pack in BFA.
But also very very strong on the difficult fights, like nzoth
Ghuun*
grizzled jay
Method got world first in 8.2 cause of balance lol
Used 2 of em to OH to replace a healer to push dps
It's mostly just Tettles tho
strange python
The racist?
viscid spear
strange python
Continues to amaze me that he faced no consequences for that
Is that something we dont talk about?
limber lion
Haven't heard of this
bleak sky
I didn't even know about that but all I could find were deleted tweets on the competitivewow subreddit
strange python
He was in the Gamer Word dump that focused on club camel
bleak sky
so i still got no context
strange python
Couple n bombs
strange python
Wait not club camel